Hip-Hop Rumors: Was Jay-Z A Student Of Dr. York?

How much of Jay Z’s rap did you understand when he was dissing track to smithereens? I understood some of it, but definitely not all of it. But…there is a reason….peep the verse in full.

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Hop off the slave ship
Popped off my chain and took it to Jacob, I got it gold plated
Walked in that bitch like “Nigga we made it!”
I own my own masters, you know I ain’t missin’ no royalty statements
I can’t be rated (God, God), damn Hov stunt on them haters
Sorry Mrs. Drizzy for so much art talk
Silly me rappin’ ’bout shit that I really bought
While these rappers rap about guns they ain’t shot
And a bunch of other silly shit that they ain’t got
I’m on my Lupita Nyong’o
Stuntin’ on stage, got the 12 Years A Slave
This Ace of Spades look like an Oscar
Black tux, look like a mobster
Don’t make me RRRRAA yah, nigga watch your tone
I come to court with black boxers on
Y’all hella jealous of my melatonin
I could black out at any given moment
I’m God, G is the seventh letter made
So when my arms & feet shackled I still get paid
All praises due
I’m ready to chase the Yakub back into caves
These are the last days, but do I seem fazed?
Showed up to the last supper in some brand new J’s
I’m the true and livin’, book of Hov
New religion, 8th wonder of the world, alien, superstition
You’re blind, baby
Blind to the fact of who you are maybe
My bloodline’s crazy
Kings and queens and Michael Jordan rings
I go stupido, sucio
The flow is filthy, y’all can’t kill me
I’ve been inoculated from the snakes and the fakes
The corny handshakes, cock sucker we made it

Drake needs to reply. He won’t but he should as an emcee and a lyricist. That said, I was recently told that Jay Z is an old school student of Dr. York. His full name is Dr. Malachi Z. York. Back in the day, Dr. York was big in New York and had a ministry of the Nuwaubian persuasion. Honestly, I am not all in the know, but here is what Wiki says to give you some idea.

York’s ministry began in the late 1960s, from 1967 preaching to the “Ansaaru Allah” (viz. African Americans) in Brooklyn, and he founded numerous esoteric or quasi-religious fraternal orders under various names during the 1970s and 1980s, at first centered on pseudo-Islamic themes, Judaism (Nubian Islamic Hebrews), and later moving to a loose “Ancient Egypt” theme, eclectically mixing ideas taken from black nationalism, cryptozoological and UFO religions and popular conspiracy theory. It is now called “Nuwabians”.

You get the idea. It was some consciousness stuff and I’ve been told that Jay Z pulled some of his old knowledge of self from the Dr. York days to lyrically trash Drake. I’m thinking this may actually be true considering the time period in which Jay Z was brought up in Brooklyn, New York – right were Dr. York was based. If you look at the “math” in the diss…it adds up!

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277 Responses to “Hip-Hop Rumors: Was Jay-Z A Student Of Dr. York?”

    • Live Well

      Nah, Drake is the one who needs a better strategy. Passive aggressive darts in a magazine interview are cowardly at best. Let’s not forget who’s who. Drake is nothing more than a disciple of Jay Z and Kanye.

      • $18592567

        What’s a better strategy than having a better album (NWTS>MCHG)? BTW I see them as 1 & 2 respectively.

        Who’s who is irrelevant unless we’re basing this on anything other than music. If music is the main criteria then I’ll speak for myself when I say that songs/flow sound better than Jay-Z’s current songs/flow. They’re legacies aren’t battling, if they go down that road.

      • Live Well

        IMO, NWTS was like bag of chips out the vending machine. It had a few hot joints but it was mostly air. Hottest track was Pound Cake and it was hot because of that beat and Jay’s verse. Again, just my opinion.

        Who’s who is the premise of everything both Jay and Drake are about. That’s why they both have the same dismissive posture toward competition. That aside, I understand that Drake has a certain sound that resonates with a lot of people but he don’t want none of Jay Z in that booth. Jay Z is comfy and throws out some lazy joints sometimes but lets be clear, Jay is a certified emcee who’s been in numerous battles. Drake is a hybrid R&B artist with Hip Hop influences who’s never been in a battle. He don’t want his first one to be against Jay Z.

      • $18592567

        MCHG was perfect for the first half, but Jay-Z drifted on the second half. NWTS lacked the cohesion that I’d expect from an album with that many singles.

        Jay-Z ripped Pound Cake and I was glad to see one of my favorite rappers still killin’ shit. They both dismiss unworthy competitors. Drake got the hottest flow in the game today IMHO. Jay-Z had the hottest flow for a very long time. Drake does R&B, but his raps are in an elite space. Why wouldn’t Kobe want to match up against Jordan? btw Jay-Z referred to Drake as Kobe over this past summer.

      • Live Well

        Drake is on a serious run right now without a doubt. He’s got a very polished flow and sound but he’s not very diverse rapper to me. He’s just excellent at what he does, which is weave in and out of R&B and Hip Hop. I just can’t see what he could possibly do or say to Jay Z in a raw battle setting. He’d be so far out of his depth. He’d be goin all hard on a track and Jay would be casually rockin him to sleep. Drakes pedigree just don’t match up to Jay in any way, shape, or form. As much as I want to see Drake cut his teeth, I think it’s a bad move to do it with Jay. My guess is Drake has already talked to him on the phone and we won’t hear any more about this.

      • MandyDoll

        “My guess is Drake has already talked to him on the phone and we won’t hear any more about this.”
        Over a year later and you were correct. 😛 LMAO!


    Yeh he was a 5%…if he was ‘god’ he’d fix his frukin ugly ass face for one….clarence 13x was ‘god’ to 5 percenters but still got smoked….lmao at these dumb nukkas that are either noi or 5%…fake gods

    • Judah Nazayar


    • brotha_man

      jay e had that knowledge for days…if he lives up to the hype., he will be a problem. and ive been following jay e still bump exhibit a and c like it came out yesterday

      • Jared

        I’m still waiting and when he drops I’ll still cop. I just can’t imagine what would make him wait for so long. What was the purpose? To prove you don’t give a fucc? Either way he’s dope and has substance.

      • Brian Andrew Smith

        or he wants to create the perfect album, instead of just putting out so so crap to cash in from the hype behind his name.

      • Jason Mazur

        Yakub is, according to the Nation of Islam, a black scientist who
        lived “6,600 years ago” and was responsible for creating the white race
        to be a “race of devils”.——– Can’t be serious…LMAO……..who writes this stuff, better yet, who believes it?

      • Live Well

        Yeah, it’s crazy stuff. But no crazier than most Western religious teachings.

      • Brindle

        no asked you for a description/explanation… THIS AINT THAT FRIENDLY 2014 HIPHOP YOUR USED TO HUH?

      • Jason Mazur

        You have me mistaken for someone different. I’m from the Public Enemy Era of conscious rap before Flav made a comeback mockery of himself. I can respect a mans words but some shit don’t just add up when it’s spoken with a bunch of fluff and B.S. You can keep believing in Yakub possibilities and dwell on the white mans life stemming from that yada yada etc etc. Me and my people (of all walks of life, color etc) will focus on reality and keep it moving. Let me know how that pans out for ya.

  2. Elayorx El

    Well, as many may know, Jay, and Jaz-O were like fam, and did come up together with the Ansar community, that was thriving back then, and dropping all types of Universal knowledge, much of which Jay used to get where he is today. I would have loved to hear some more of this on Jay’s catalog, when he was still with Dame, and them, but his decision to go in the direction he did, was meant to produce the results that came about. Honestly, he need to leave Drake alone, because I believe Drizzy is part, “Nuwabian” as well, which could actually serve more proof than him actually being, “Jewish” anyway. Love, and light to all my Nuwabians I came up with, and that taught me so much over the years. Thank you, Malachi, and let’s not forget this man helped to actually build a PYRAMID on American soil, in the 20th century. Now that’s REALLY saying something. Hopefully he is doing ok, as they would not have put him under the jail for being a raving lunatic.

  3. Atom Black

    None of that was Dr. York’s teachings. Everyone wants to talk about what they heard. That was 5% Nation all day. He’s been showing you all by wearing the Universal Flag to interviews and in all photo ops since his latest album dropped. Those who know know…Those who don’t know spread gossip. Like this article. And before any rebuttal, yes, I do know that Jay Z used to roll with Jaz O. He knew about the teachings of the Ansaars at best. He never studied it. In the videos with Jaz O and Jay Z you’l notice that Jaz O had on the garb. Jay Z did not. Do the research. Proper Education Always Corrects Errors. P.E.A.C.E.

  4. Jared

    That might be teachings from the guy mentioned, but that is pseudo knowledge used since the early 1900s borrowed from the Moorish Temple of America I believe started by Noble Drew Ali. That’s 5%er language but the 120 degrees is just reused information. Common knowledge for anyone inquisitive. He was also on a track with Jay E so it makes sense.

    • Montezuma1

      They borrowed from everyone. Malachi York was a failed member of the NOI who then claimed Sudanese ancestry and propagated orthodox Islam.

      • Jared

        Pretty much. One time in life I was really into how these groups started trying to learn about our African American plight and relation to Islam. I discovered a lot of contradictions within the NOI but nevertheless it was a much needed organization at the time and I’m sure many will argue its still needed. I mention the Moorish Temple because that was one of the oldest groups in America from what I remember. I believe Farrad Muhammed (founder of NOI) was a member of the Moorish Temple.

      • Montezuma1

        I believe he was. The thing is Religion, ALL religion operates from the same premise and concepts. Chosen people, suffering = anointing, etc. To personalize falsehood doesn’t change the fact it’s still falsehood. What it does is change the beneficiary of the scam. The NOI exposed the hypocrisy of Christianity but replaced it with its own falsehood and hypocrisy. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

  5. Montezuma1

    Jaz-O introduced him to it. Everyone read Dr. York’s books back then. They were called the Ansaaru Allah Community in Bushwick prior to moving upstate then GA where they renamed themselves Nuwabians.

  6. digitallife

    Hmmmm except that some of them lines sound like nas’ lines…just saying…I always respected dudes grind but the whole “God Complex” thing of his is old now. Kane and them preached the self god teachings but never claimed to be gods directly.

  7. IL4M

    The verse is better READ than what it SOUNDED when he rapped it, to me it sounded off. I didn’t and don’t feel that rhyme the way he FLOWED it over THAT BEAT…

    • Judah Nazayar


      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        LMAO!!!!! FU(K BOTH U!

      • Inmadopuroz

        quit trolling on some humble shit every one detest you on this site this aint wshh ..this a smaller group of folks so chill out and fit in normally here u can troll elsewhere..but kill the trolling here its getting played out

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Eat and di(k and die slow with Ur gay son boxer!!!

  8. Peter Morris

    Jay has made it very clear that he doesn’t give a f*ck about religion, don’t believe in hell and doesn’t believe in there being any type of repercussion to his actions. My bet is that he don’t even believe in the garbage that his Free Mason friends have him push. Most likely doing it for the check, says whatever the f*ck he has to, throw up some symbols so he can get that paper. Then laughs about the fact that he’s a black man who comes from nothing and made himself something by playing some of these dudes in power. Besides for the whole “eventually burning in hell” thing.. I think Jay is doing it.

  9. Nehes Ba'a Rayay

    someone need to tell “BIG JAZ” (JAZ-O) that his Lil Son that ‘Made It’ is Droppin’ that Wrong Knowledge on the “MELANIN-ITE Children”. and allhiphop. com is so naive not realizing that there is 3 sides to a story. They chose to get the side that doesn’t have an accurate account on who Dr.York is. how on earth do you accept a story that isn’t even clear about about Dr. York’s Birth date and Birthplace????? #STOPBEINGHUMANCATTLE

  10. Jason Mazur

    Philosophers forum with a bunch of people who don’t know and can’t prove ANY of this for fact. Like we don’t have enough on our plate to really handle without trying to prove the intangible past. And when will people learn Jay Z will say ANYTHING to get your attention even if he don’t believe it himself as long as it gets your attention.

    • Nehes Ba'a Rayay

      York had an organization on Bushick Ave. FACT!!! Big JAZ( Jaz-O) was a member. FACT!!! Shawn was a friend of Jaz-O. FACT!!!! go do your research!!! how old were then??? 6yrs of age???maybe younger??? thank god for SEARCH ENGINES!!

      • Jason Mazur

        Pardon. Those are indeed facts. My bad for not specifying. However I was referring to the teachings themselves. The Jaz, Jay and York organization starting point facts do and mean about as much for life as an episode of sponge bob sqaure pants. What you (they) eat don’t make me shit….wheres the love (lil Jay quote if that slipped past ya)

      • Nehes Ba'a Rayay

        first of all… it was Dr.York’s Organization and Jaz-O was a member of it. and the Science that Dr. York teaches absolutely confirms itself. what would you like to know?

      • Nehes Ba'a Rayay

        Dr. York touched on it in regards to explaining the teachings of the ‘The Messenger’ Elijah Muhammad to Negroids for clarity and gave us more on the topic.

      • Super-Khalifah

        Dr York was influenced by the teachings of Elijah Muhammad in regards to Yakub (as most “conscious” people were from his time period). He just put his own spin on it.

  11. ShaBe Allah

    The writer is only half right in his assessment. Yes, Jay was a student of IMAAM ISA(The name York went by at the time), however, NONE of what he spit on We Made It was from Isa/York’s teachings. ALL of what Jay spit is from the teachings of ALLAH’S 5% NATION. Look at the medallion that he has been wearing over the past six months. Its the Universal Flag of the 5%.

  12. Immortal

    It’s great that you can get more knowledge from the comments than you can from an article that is “supposed” to be speaking some semblance of truth. One thing I cannot understand is how on earth (or anywhere else) can AHH or anyone equate being an Emcee in the same sentence as Drake. I don’t care much for Drake, but he has his lane, but an Emcee he isn’t. When the day comes that I can get some Hen with my happy meal, I’ll believe he is deserving of that title. To all of you kickin knowledge on here. Much love and appreciation from me. Each one Teach one.

      • Loch121

        Only white ppl say the N word and don’t understand why we can say it and they can’t or how we can say it and still love black ppl

      • Super-Khalifah

        I’m Black and I dont use the “N word” nor do i condone it or think it is a “Black thing”. It’s more of an ignorant thing. Any time you call yourself or someone you know a nigga, you basically are calling yourself the property of whitefolks because Allah (God) made Black people…White people made niggers/Niggas.

    • Jayson C Williams

      He still uses it because it’s not the same context you all use it in. If you’re white. You know this. So stop pushing the envelope. If you don’t understand than it’s a black thing, just like you and your culture have your ways. We have our own. Respect it because you can’t check it. This is us!

      • meanygreene

        and in what context do I use the word nigger/nigga. for the record, I don’t. I actually would like to show white people that not all black men like/use the word that is the only envelope I am pushing. you probably be on some ol’ suge knight “don’t call me black, call me a nigga” type shit

      • Jayson C Williams

        Aren’t you gagging on penis right now? All those gay comments you’re writing? Eww. Fag. No more replies to you. Talking about someone hacked you. Yea ok. You on ya mr. Cee sh1t I see. Smh fuxing queers taking over the blogs now. Wanna be Perez Hilton lmao. Faggy boy

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Miss me with that reckless talk. U not built like that. 89′ Nicca momma looking like “ballin” oh yeah fu(k Harlem. QUEENS!!

      • Jayson C Williams

        Lol gaylord! Miss me? U from Houston now?? That ain’t nyc slang bro stop it! Faggy butt fuxed fag homo thug. Not even from Harlem u mad hyped for nothing. U must be gay! Dic in the booty as$ fag

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Nicca I been saying that since 94″ when my queens niccas ran up on PAC in the studio. Foh.

      • Jayson C Williams

        Nigga u 21 u weren’t alive foh! And I was around that time in nyc we didn’t say that fag try again! Your moms really should of swallowed you. I warned her that if I wasn’t in my sons life he’s prob be a fag. And I was right.. Foh with your angry birds hoody. Poo butt arse nugga. U faker than canal street watches. And I can see it in you. Gave u addresses but ya bum arse prob can’t find a ride living in 2 fare slum zone with no V.

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        You not from NYC. So there for you don’t exist.

      • Jayson C Williams

        Haha lol ur so lame now u stalking again. Bro get a girl and a life! You def are in a #nohoeszone dic in the booty arse spic! Smh u lame bro so lame. I’m not even gunna insult u it’s unfair. It’s like picking on the mentally retarded

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Nicca you look like Ralph from the 80’s tv show. That about as close as u come to 80’s lmao. Nicca u not NYC stop it!!!

      • Jayson C Williams

        Lol neither is your angry birds hoody either u bird. Born raised still here living in a brownstone no pjs homo thug!

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ


      • Immortal

        Man I haven’t heard someone call another Poo Butt in a long minute. Good one from the ol school

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        he likes to think about that so hes actually the one that’s gay…

      • Jayson C Williams

        And those were Brooklyn niggaz that robbed Pac dumb arse! Lol where do they find these fags at? Smh you so Perez Hilton.

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        stop believing it was BIGs crew. BIG didn’t have no issues with PAC at that time. It was QUEENS! U FU(KIN HOEEE. WHAT U GOT NOW? I SWEAR FOR GOD, I SEE UR DUMB AZZ, WE DO A 20 YEAR REUNION OF THE QUAD STUDIO FOR U NICCA! THIS TIME IT BE NICE!

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        ok white boy Jared LMAO!

      • johnblacksad

        even white boys son you daily now…

        Punching ball azz n!gga…!

      • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        do u count as on of those white boys? just the white part, as far as sonning? id smack all of u niccas in the face off top! JUST LIKE THAT! and none of u niccas would do sh*T. IM DOLO NICCA AND U COULD HAVE UR WHACKAZZ CREW WITH U NICCAS! FU(K ALL YALL!

    • Nehes Ba'a Rayay

      Dr. York as a Constitutionally Seated President and Head of State of U.N.N. was kidnapped and had bogus charges put against him. as a Head of State they have no jurisdiction over him. there are charges filed in the International Criminal Courts against the U.S.

      • Christopher Tarver

        Okay. I’m not even going to pretend like I know what’s going. I remember hearing his name in a Cam’Ron song and doing some surface research on him. I’m going to have to dig deeper and learn more about him and his teachings. Good looking on the clarity.

  13. OG_Lil_Pretty_Thug

    Jay-Z associated himself with Dr. York’s name and likeness to get attention when he first started his career. Otherwise he was never connected to the community and hasn’t helped in anyway to Free Dr. York


    Dr York was in Jaz-O and jay-Z Video back in the Day ..the answer is yes ..ask erykah Babu Too …The Answers are Obvious but i don’t participate in Telling Them ..its not my Biz



    • Montezuma1

      The white jews are full of shit and the black jews are either full of the same shit or too dumb to realize what a scam they’re seeking to mimic. There is absolutely no records of Israelites in bondage or a man named Moses in all the hieroglyphs which predate the Torah. There’s no such thing as a chosen people based upon genetics. If there is such a thing as a chosen people behavior and devotion is all that will distinguish them. The European jew has roots in Germany and the Caucuses not the middle-east.



      • Montezuma1

        Lies. You better do your research. There are records of Ramses and no Moses. The pyramids were built by workers and not slaves. You propagate a falsehood and rely on proof presented by the authors of the lie. Even Anwar Sadat told Menachem Begin the Israelites were never enslaved in Egypt. You need an education without a religious slant.

      • Jared

        Although just an opinion the Pyramids from my research were not built by slaves. Thank you for sticking with facts and not being distorted by the business of religion.

      • Montezuma1

        Your ignorance is typical. Even in your contempt of the white man all you really want is what he has and what he has is an illusion. Smarten up man.

      • Jayson C Williams

        Finally facts! Watch who you say that around. You know what I mean

      • OG_Lil_Pretty_Thug

        “Watch who you say that around.” <===True

    • Flanny Macquiao

      they want you to think he was JUST a drug dealer turned rapper from marcy. when infact he had connections to a fraternity who helped him and put him in position.

      • EniggaMA

        Lol. Yea he’s a profit Buddha from outer space sent here to take over the world. I got family in Cooper not too far from marcy. No me and Jay weren’t friends or even any kind of associates but we did cross paths and I know about him

  16. Lord Saltsworth McGinty III

    All of the man made scriptures you cats are quoting are hilarious. Throw in The God of War and Zeus while we are talking about imaginary deities. It’s all BS to make one race feel superior to the another. We are all lost in this cosmic mystery and finding our way. Stop making sh@t up.

    • nmnjmnmn

      Aint no way. Humans just popped up on this eart. The sun will destroy this little pebble and us along with it. we are here for not even a milla second in the grand scheme

  17. humarshall

    Actually to be clear, JZ was found by an MC called JAZZ straight out of Brooklyn NY. JAZZ was a member of the Ansar Allah community which the leader was and still is Imaan Isa aka Dr York. So JZ was a student indirectly of Dr York by way of JAZZ. All of his knowledge of self came from that during the time when the transition of the Nubian Islamic Hebrews and right knowledge was reintroduced. There is where the connection to Dr York teachings, the Nation of Islam and the 5 percent knowledge was explained and broken Down by Dr York to bring about Right Knowledge.

    • Nehes Ba'a Rayay

      you really need to investigate the Hon. Phillip Spivey’s Ruling on the only five ‘minors’ of the York case.(State case prior to the Federal case in which case the ruling was ‘SEALED’…why seal something as important as this??? for this is ‘Grounds for automatic DISMISSAL). and secondly, what’s “grafted” about Dr.York’s teachings?

      • David Jerkland

        can we just keep it real right quick.. i dont know if you are a follower of dr yorks or not.. but yes his teaching are grafted.. he took a little of the erroneous kemetic scinece and mixed it with the false nation of islam and 5% thought as a foundation.. threw in some biblical and Masonic tradition refrences with a little psuedo history you get what currently exsist as his religon
        now as far as the pedophilia charges.. that really doenst matter because that has nothing to do with the creed of his religion
        and the notion of what a minor is open to interpretation and cultural taboos that vary from state to state country to country and culture to culture..
        and it also hinges on consent.. because if the parents consented and the girl was like 14 or 12 depending on the state.. its legal in the usa..
        now even though knocking down young females is not my cup of tea due to it being a taboo in my culture as an american to an extent.. i keep silent on the child molester accusations.. because if we are going to label him a pedo then we have make the majority of the world child molesters because most cultures in the present day especially in africa asia and middle east marry very young regardless of religion or economic class

  18. AlbertoRipRon

    Why is this talked about now? Everybody knew that. Plenty of rap artist from the 90s followed Dr. York teachings

  19. Hollywood the God

    illseed, on the real…the reason your site has fallen off and you dont get as many comments as you did 5 yrs ago is because you changed the design of the site, started posting too many rumors pages a day instead of updating 1, and you dont reach out to the artists as much as the other sites. you just report what other sites have reported days earlier

    • moonfromsoufcack

      yo i was gonna say the SAME thing…Jay has been out since 96′ and he ain’t NEVER spit no shit with this type material. this is a page straight outta Jay-E’s book…he’s the one with the esoteric flow! I would even venture to say that Jay-E’s flow surpasses Jay’s in some ways and I think that’s why Jay-Z is holding his nuts on that “patents of nobility”. he tryna play catch-up

  20. Nehes Ba'a Rayay

    hopefully, Shawn can get influenced and empower Negroids in the U.S. like a TRUE Soldier like Akon is EMPOWERING GANAN (NEGROIDLAND aka Africa) bringing electricity there!!!

    • johnblacksad

      You’re right… nothing shocking about calling him Mrs Drizzy after all

      I mean he does sing his azz off… smh

      • PhilTheGreat

        Mrs. Drizzy was just a jab man. Everyone expecting Jay to throw a haymaker. Like them old fights, you jab a dude before you just start swinging haymakers. To check a dude and see what he’s bout. Why is everyone expecting Jay to go Apocalyptic on a diss merely because Drake said his art references were corny? If Drake said some more serious ish, then expect something more serious. It’s like a child teasing a lion in a cage just to get a reaction until something more serious happens. Drake is the child and Jigga is the lion.

  21. Dskillz Harris

    Prodigy from Mobb a Deep told us this a while ago. And Jay Z fan who remembers him from his early days with Jaz O knows that it’s true

  22. $11625525

    Damn, AHH has a ton of scholars in the comments section but, one things is for sure, scholars rarely agree on anything which goes to prove that their teachings are just theories; usually unproven and as they’re rarely agreed upon thus also unprovable, therefore it only goes to reinforce the notion that people will see what they want to see, hear what they want to here and block out the parts they feel doesn’t suit their own mindset.

    All I got from that verse is that Jay Z was mocking Drake’s mixed heritage, well the Jewish side anyhow. He was also clowning him because there’s a general consensus that Drake was stiffed by Young Money for royalties; Drake himself said in an interview a couple years ago that he had never received a cheque from the company. He’s also, seemingly, poking fun at Drake’s “The bottom” with the last line.

    Now, does anyone else remember Drake protesting last year that he was now a “Big Homie”? Well, he just got sonned so it’ll be interesting if he now becomes a Little Brother or tries to punch above his weight and go toe to toe [verbally] with Jigga.

  23. The_Good_Life

    Mrs Drake is a minor diss. Yakub back to the cave, major major insult to a jew. Jay called him a fake Jew. One thing I love about growing up in Brooklyn and NY in general is the street corner knowledge. Muslims, Christians, witnesses, kemetites, black isrealites, nubians, black madonas. 5% nation. I can go on. Its not prevalent no more cause the dealers ran them of the corner but some are trying to bring it back.

    1st Jay been on that whole “black man is god” thinking which I think comes from the 5%ers who also stressed knowledge and mathematics. Remember, god mc me jay-hova. The yokub cave reference comes from 2 things. Yakub is Arabic for Jacob who name was change to Israel who is also father of the Jews/ tribe of juda/ Judaism. The problem is, they never came from caves. They were, in essence, traveling farmers, sheapards, herdsmen who lived in tents from Africa to middle east to Persia where its hot and dry (black people).

    Who came from caves? The Caucasian who came from the caucus mountains and lived in caves where there is little sun, extreme cold and snow (white people).

    To sum it up, the belief is that the Jews who live in Israel now are not decendants of original Jews but imposters. Hence, send yakub back to the cave. Whites and fair skin Arabs to this day get sick because of high temps in the middle east. Hence, your jealous of my melanin.

    Side note. Both biblical and shea Islamic eschatology suggest that the people who claim to be Jews living in Israel in the last days (now) are imposters. Peace.

    • David Jerkland

      just for the refrence yakub is not just arabic but is also hebrew for jacob because jacob was never called jacob..he is yakub PBUH… and yes yakubs name was changed to israel which makes him >the father of the nation of israelites (bani israel)<.. but not the father of the jews..

      jew is actually a psuedoneum that was given to the children of israel by the romans because at that point in time yehudah or judah or judea was the only kingdom of israelites left in palistine. the other tribes had long been exiled through out the world.. and this kingdom and tribe of yehudah would identify themselves as al yehudi or al judi meaning from or of yehudah whether it was regionally or linage wise ( i.e abdullah bin Saba al yehudi) ..

      this name would later be adopted by the followers of the religion of the people of yehudah.. just like the term christian was adopted by the followers of the various apostles of jesus PBUH even though they never called themselves that.. its very similar to how early colonialist and orientalist used the term muhammadan for muslims.. even though no muslim ever has or will ever call himself such..only difference is it caught on with the previous 2 and not the latter due to assimilation.

      i say this because judaism means follower of the religion of the people of judea…it is a religious indicator not an ethnic one.. so its not correct to say that the ashkenazi arent judi.. because by the definition of the term judaism.. they are.. because they are followers of the religion of the people of judea i.e Judi aka jewish.. what they are not(and technically a small minority of ashkenazi ) are decesndants of the children of israel( bani israel)…

      so to call them fake jews is not correct..

      and i would also like to point out that the bani israel where never a mono ethnic group.. many of the literal chrildren of yakub ie his 12 sons took wives from the people that surrounded them like the canaanites or from there cousins the ishmaelites and the various tribes of people that come from abraham; even eygptians ( i.e Yusuf bin Yakub PBUH or joseph)…they would later take assyrian, persian greek and roman wives and concubine due to the many conquest occupations and exile they experienced.. we not evengoing to get into converts..

      so these ashkenazi and russians that occupy palestine are just as judi as the judi that those that proceeded them hundreds and thousands of years before them they are just either majority european racially or purely european

      now dot get me wrong.. many of the early children of israel where of a dark complection Musa PBUH aka moses was decribed as very dark and resembling the people of ethiopia.. he would also go on to marry an inhabitant of arabia from madyan and an inhabitant of africa.. so if moses looked like this and he was of a pure linage of the people of israel then what about all the ones that where in eygpt for 400 years..

      but these same people wouldnt stay looking this way..they would be invade and and be invaded by persia then greece and the romans and be occupied and subjugated for thousands of years.. so these people definitely would be a mixed bag ethnicly just like arabs north africans and afro american and afro carribean people.. some being white or light some being brown some being black.. some with blue, green and brown eyes.. nappy curly wavey and straight hair

      • The_Good_Life

        I got what your saying but Ashkenazi Jews do claim to be direct decendants from the tribe of Judah, hence the star of David. Even the ones that don’t practice the religion claim to be Jews based on Davidic lineage. They have gone as far as spending millions to perform DNA mapping and sequencing studies through major universities to prove this as fact. Some of these studies are accepted but most are not because of certain biases. If I converted to Judaism, (which I agree would make me Jew), they would still look at me sideways because to them im not of Davidic lineage.

    • David Jerkland

      o yea and also as a side not its kind of ironic.. that many of rafidah aka shia in particular the twelver shia are of babylonian/ persian jewish or majoosi orgin and that there founder is a jew abdullah ibn saba al yahudi ..hence there many many commonalities with rabbaincal jews of today.. and i would also like to add for the record shia are not muslim just like the inventor of the fictional yakub the mad scientest nation of islam arent muslim and the moorish science temple of america are not muslim.. so even though they are regarded by many non muslims as islamic by real muslims they are not.
      because at the end of the day.. “just because you pour syrup on shit..dont make it pancakes”
      and its very clear that jay z is definitely talking about the fictional yakub the mad scientist that created white men on the island of patmos who would be exiled to the caves of europe (how do niggas believe in this bullshit smh lol)
      its crazy how people can be so caught up in ethnocentrism due to ethic insecurity( a product of white supremacy) that they will go so far as to label themselves god.. or even worse give god an ethnicity its bad enuff that a vast majority on this earth believe that we are created in gods image literally or that we are the children of god or believe god is a man or came as an avatar ie krishna and jesus.. but to go so far as to say that humans are gods is just so left field that its crazy to me..
      this type of shit just proves how polytheism and blind following really fucks with the intelect.. because you really have to viod of inteligence to believe any of those concept.

      • T.E.G.A

        The Light of the Vedas by Manly P. Hall will shed light on the Yakub Story or Myth if you will as much of the religious rhetoric often is…

  24. Super-Khalifah

    The history of Yakub was a ingredient in the teachings of Elijah Muhammad (Nation of Islam). In this teaching, original White folks came from a process of selective breeding called “grafting”. This process was created by a wise scientist named Yakub. Once these original White folks were brought into existence, they began to cause trouble among the original Black people. So they were gathered up and forced into the caves of Europe (Caucasus Mountains). Being cut off from civilization they turned savage. You can read about these White Cave people all throughout history. That is where the term “Caucasian” originated…Caucasus Mountains.

    • Dope

      Damn those fairytales. A black scientist, a wise one of all, created white people.

      Hope you only take that shit for entertainment value and don’t really believe it.

      • Lord Saltsworth McGinty III

        Nope. People really believe that sh@t. This is why I stayed away from the NOI. I could believe that people actually fall for stuff like that.

    • Judah Nazayar

      No sir, there is no such thing as RACE. which is a concept created in the 1700s in germany. before then.. Ppl were known by there ancestral/NATIONAL names= greeks, Egyptians, ethiopians..etc.. who r these ORIGINAL PPL? b4 ADAM=mankind.. were ANGELS AND DEMONS. This is wat MASONRY PRODUCES=enchantment= persuasion/control thru words having no historical validity and void of truth. Thats why they cannot use the word of the Most High/The torah and prophets. They say..THEM said.. or THEM teaches=thats freemasonry. Even the title.. THE HONOURABALE/NOBLE..etc..are masonic.
      repent brother .. and join Gods army. The army of Israel

      • 5% Hov

        U right. Until the you started talking that middle eastern bullshit.

      • Judah Nazayar


  25. D_Ably

    Why is everyone tryin to amp up a beef between these 2? These 2 are the whackest dissers ever. Jiggas not done a sick diss since the Nas shit and Drake, well… Drakes Drake. Its like Daisys vs Daffodils.

  26. Brindle

    listened again, THEY KILLED IT… and Jay Elect went X-Clan on yaw, 90’s is coming back quicker than I expected, fools better start reading

  27. Super-Khalifah

    The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches that the White man first appeared 6,000 years ago on the Island of Patmos (or Pelan), in the Aegean Sea, where they had been “made” by a 600-year process of selective breeding called “grafting.” Under the auspices of a brilliant Black scientist named Yakub, and by divine authority of Allah Himself, the Blacks who came with Yakub to the island were placed under a system of laws by which mating was based on skin color and in which only lighter-complexioned babies were allowed to survive. Over the course of many generations, the population of Patmos began to grow lighter and lighter until, after 600 years of this dedicated grafting process, the people became very pale with blue eyes and blonde hair. From this island-based tribe of white-skinned albinos came an aggressive race of rulers who then spread into every corner of the world—namely, the Caucasians, who now represent 9 percent of the world population (that’s 1 in every 11 human beings).

    But The Messenger is not the only source to address the origin of the White race. There are many echoes of this account chronicled by other histories, religions, and folklores, including Judaism. The ancient rabbis use the biblical account of Jacob’s grafted flocks of sheep and goat to bear witness to the teachings of Mr. Muhammad. Genesis 30:35 says that Jacob (English translation of the name Yakub) was able to produce unusually colored livestock through the use of a skillful breeding technique. Significantly, it took Jacob six years to successfully change the color of the flock (Genesis 31:41). The book of Jewish traditions called the Midrash Rabbah actually uses this Bible story to explain the birth of White children to Black parents. The rabbis present this parable:

    The king of the Arabs put this question to Rabbi Akiba: “I am Black and my wife is Black, yet she gave birth to a White son. Shall I kill her for having played the harlot while lying with me?” Said the other, “Are the figures in your house painted Black or White?” “White,” he said. The other assured him, “When you had intercourse with her, she fixed her eyes upon the White figures and bore a child like them.”

    These Caucasian rabbis, who ALWAYS present themselves in their writings as superior to both the “Arab” and the Blacks, use this apocryphal passage to explain their own racial origin in terms of a breeding process.

    And with the assistance of Lawrence Guthrie’s powerful little book, The Making of The Whiteman, we are led to other more recent testimonials. The Baptist theologian Bernard L. Ramm explained:

    By scientific breeding we can shuffle these genes with their characteristics and breed traits in or breed them out. …The laws of heredity plus principles of separation or selection operating over a period of time will produce the various races of the world.

    But religious leaders are not the only ones alluding to a created man. Men of science have also grappled with what they saw as the unusual appearance of this odd human anomaly, the White man. The Dutch anatomist Lodewijk “Louis” Bolk wrote in Origin of Racial Characteristics in Man, “White skin … started from an ancestor with a black skin, in whose offspring hair and iris color were suppressed more and more.”

    The notable English naturalist Charles Darwin concluded that without some form of selective breeding, such skin color differences simply “cannot be accounted for in a satisfactory manner”:

    “We have thus far been baffled in all our attempts to account for the differences between the races of man; but there remains one important agency, namely, Sexual Selection, which appears to have acted as powerfully on man as on many other animals.”

    The English physician James Cowles Prichard likewise concluded that the physical differences between the races of man could only have resulted from a method comparable to “the process of artificial selection carried on by plant and animal breeders.” It seems, he said “probable that the fairest races of White people of Europe, are descended from … Negroes.”

    American biologist Dr. Edwin Grant Conklin wrote in The Evolution of Man:

    [I]t is evident that distinct races could not have been established and perpetuated except by the aid of isolation, chiefly geographical.

    The ancient Egyptians worried about an immigrant-tribe of blue-eyed people among them that seemed to have a proclivity for trouble-making. They had red or blonde hair and blue eyes and lived at the edge of the desert. The Egyptians called them Tamahu—the created ones—a clear allusion to their unnatural origins. More recently, a Jewish scientist at the University of Copenhagen confirmed that all blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor. Dr. Hans Eiberg refers to this condition as a “genetic mutation” and he says it occurred 6-10 thousand years ago. According to Mr. Elijah Muhammad this is EXACTLY when Mr. Yakub’s work began on Patmos! Further, Dr. Eiberg and his team found a specific gene, known as the OCA2 gene, which if altered would result in human beings without melanin in their hair, eyes, or skin color—a condition known as albinism. Thus, this OCA2 gene was targeted and manipulated by some force or event around 6,000+ years ago.

    In a 2006 New York Times article is yet more proof of a drastic alteration of genetic structure within this 6,000-year time frame. It reported that researchers at the University of Chicago had found “where genes appear to have been reshaped by natural selection …within the last 5,000 to 15,000 years.” Incredibly, Dr. Jonathan Pritchard estimates that the point in time when the genes of the Asian and European populations were altered was 6,600 years ago—the exact date that The Messenger said that Mr. Yakub began his grafting process! The scientists say that “the selected genes, which affect skin color, hair texture and bone structure, may underlie the present-day differences in racial appearance.” How exactly they were “selected,” why, and by whom or by what process the scientist cannot or will not say, but in a human timeline of millions of years this recent genetic alteration is drastic indeed and suggests a purpose-driven effort to create this incredible change.

    These are extraordinary testaments to the truth taught by the Most Hon. Elijah Muhammad, and believe it or not, none of the aforementioned witness-bearers have ever been members of the Nation of Islam. These scientific sources have never been impeached or even interrogated by the mischievous voices of mockery that have yet to account for the independent findings of all these White scientists. Despite the recent radio hijinks of Foxman and crew, it is the truths revealed by The Messenger and his most powerful Servant, The Hon. Minister Louis Farrakhan, which are vindicated by science, and that still stand alone.

      • Super-Khalifah

        No sir! It is still a central belief in the Nation of Islam.

      • Judah Nazayar


      • 5% Hov

        He did – this nigga letting out their secrets…. they still teach this bullshit.

      • The_Good_Life

        I’m getting a little older so my memory ain’t too sharp but I know I heard that…

      • Super-Khalifah

        The NOI are not Scientologist! That is a LIE!!! It is amazing how ignorant people still say this just because Min Farrakhan said we should study Dianetics. That makes us Scientologist? I guess if Min Farrakhan asks us to study Politics then that makes us Politicians, huh? Fool!! smh

      • Judah Nazayar


    • joewil05

      As a white male myself this seems logical, Look at all these elite white jewish greedy bastards that are FOR depopulation (Bill Gates)…I for one am proud to say i believe we are all 1 and related reguardless of the color of our skin.

    • Judah Nazayar

      SIR. T.H.E.M. didnt tell our ppl that we are the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.
      He did not..like a Prophet of the Most HIGH..use the Torah to teach and enlighten the people. he did not encourage them to keep the Shabbath..feast or High Holy days. He never woke them up !! he said they were from tribe of SHABAAZ(a tribe that cannnot be found in annals of history). Why did not did THEM teach our ppl DUET 28 ..which would pin point OUT OF ALL PPLS..WHO ISRAEL IS? AND…WHO ESAU IS=THE SO CALLED WHYTE RACE? why dont NOI teach us that OBVIOUS TRUTH=the EAGLE NATIONS at the ENDTIMES….? YOU GUYS R TEACHING A BIG HEADED SCIENTIST MADE ESAU? SIR, THAT IS INCORRECT ..!

      • Judah Nazayar

        Sir why is NOI heavily masonic?.. THEM was a Mason. Fard was a Mason.?? smh.. u need to go thru esau to advance thru degrees. They are in the Torah.Theres only 3. Anything else is man made. the Most high aint dealing wid that. This is the problem wid guys who dont have a BOOK THAT USE CAN USE TO SHOW AND PROVE BY HISTORY AND PROPHECY. You can only say./..”THEM said..or THEM taught”..
        Not what the Most High taught. And u believe a EDOMITE IS GOD IN PERSON!!!… smh… ..

      • Super-Khalifah

        The reason why the NOI seems to be “masonic” is because the wisdom that the Masons have, was given to them. They didn’t originate the Masonic teachings. Ancient Egypt can also be called heavily masonic. There’s (Masons’) is an ancient wisdom that they mixed with their own BS and they use it to rule the world. EVERYTHING that was taught to The Honorable Elijah Muhammad can be proven in history and science. Also, Master Fard Muhammad is not an “Edomite!”

      • Judah Nazayar

        Sir, WE didnt give them any such thing. WE..were taken into captivity for disobedience sir. The masons practice penis worship/sun worship/osiris worship/god of the dead worship.
        It is a sin to worship any such things sir. which is why the Law/Torah prescribed circumcision and slaughtering of bulls….to rid our ppl of such practices and belief. You sir have been hoodwinked and led astray. The Wisdom of the Most High far exceeds THEM. This is a fact.

      • Judah Nazayar


      • Super-Khalifah

        Everything you stated is incorrect! Yes, we believe God is a man and not a spirit. The origins of that understanding is rooted in Hellenism (Greek Philosophy). Prior to Greek Philosophy, all Gods including the creator were anthropomorphic (human form). Plato was the pioneer of an immaterial existence and Aristotle was the first to apply that concept to a deity with his writing “The Unmoved Mover”. Remember what the Hebrew Bible says, Yahweh is a MAN of war!
        Listen, we can go back and forth all month and we will not change each other’s opinion. One thing is for certain though…THERE IS NO OTHER ORGANIZATION (RELIGIOUS, CULTURAL OR NOT) THAT HAS A BETTER TRACK RECORD FOR CLEANING UP BLACK PEOPLE THE WAY THAT THE NOI AND THE TEACHINGS OF ELIJAH MUHAMMAD HAS. Whatever YOU believe or whatever religious group or tribe you represent CAN AND WILL NOT OUTDUE THE WORKS OF ELIJAH MUHAMMAD< MINISTER FARRAKHAN AND THE PROGRAM OF THE NOI….Period! So keep on hatin' because that is all you are worth.

      • Judah Nazayar


      • Super-Khalifah

        Brother Judah! The Honorable Elijah Muhammad actually DID teach we were the true children of Israel. He specifically said that when you here about the seed of Abraham being a slave to a strange people in a strange land for 400 years…that is speaking about us. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad also use the scripture from the Old Testament to prove this among other things. I personally understand the Bible better now as a Muslim then when I was a christian. Minister Farrakhan did a whole lecture series on who the true children of Israel is using scripture from both The Torah and Quran.

      • Judah Nazayar


      • Judah Nazayar


      • Super-Khalifah

        The teachings of Elijah Muhammad teaches on all of those things. Plus, don’t forget….all the scriptures have been altered and changed. Nobody has pure text anymore…they don’t exist in one body of work. The Quran is the purest (untouched) scripture and even IT’S proper understanding has been tampered with by pale arabs.

      • Super-Khalifah

        It shouldn’t be hard to find….it’s all over YouTube!

    • David Jerkland

      i have a question, other than the information that was past to elijah muhammad by wallace fard.. where is this story of yakub the scientist to be found historically by name? i know you site the points of genetic mutation and selective breeding.. which i can be unbiased and say is very likely and i agree with you.. but as far as the story of yakub i dont see any credible evidence from you at all… only unfounded interpretations of unreliable scripture..in all fairness we cant turn sheep and goats into men also if you take those verses into context with the rest of the chapter its obvious that it is not alluding to what your insinuating that it means.. you must stick to the text (even if it is unreliable)..

      i always find this odd that the NOI will use the bible as refrence.. when your organization claims islam.. so my next question is can you find anywhere in the quran literal speech of Allah and final message to ALL Mankind or the autehntic sunnah. that would tell us about yakub the scientist.. i would think this would be something Allah would mention explicitly because this is not only pertinent to the black man but to every man

      now i understand that this story of yakub for the NOI is considered to be revelation.. so i understand if you are of the stance that it is from elijah via fard..thus it is truth because he is your messenger and fard is supposed to be the messiah mahdi and god at the same time.
      but just incase you are of that stance.. what proofs do you have for them.. especially if you claim islam
      Because i only see evidence that point to there lack of credentials to make such claims
      i know the NOI is of the position that the Quran is the Truth..so if you are true to this.. how does one reconcile surah 33 ayah 40 where it says

      Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things

      and before anyone says its says seal of prophets not messenger..i would like to state the only a prophet can be a messenger..so evey messenger is a prophet but every prophet is not a messenger.. and i would also like to point for thos who would say seal of prophets doesnt mean last.. in arabic this term is Khatamun Nabiyyīn.. and the word khatam mean last of something, last there of
      so that brings me to the question of.. how can elijah be a messenger when in order for him to be a messenger he must be a prophet.. and the Messsneger of Allah Muhammad ibn Abdullah is the last prophet and messenger
      and how does one reconcile that with where the last and final Messenger of Allah Muhammad ibn Abdullah says
      “in my Ummah (Islamic Nation), there shall be born Thirty Grand Liars (Dajjals), each of whom will claim to be a prophet, But I am the
      Last Prophet; there is No Prophet after Me”
      this is an authentic Hadith in abu dawood and at tirmidhi

      so if you believe that the Quran is the the truth.. and you believe that Muhammad ibn Abdullah was the messenger of Allah.. then this is in total oppostion to your religion..and would make elijah and fard liars

      also how is it that Allah would reveal a form of islam or reform islam in particular for the oppressed African american..
      when Allah says in the Quran .. in the last Ayah to be revealed

      “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion.”

      and in surah 3 ayah 85

      Whoever desires a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted from him.”

      how can you improve on perfection???

      and my last question to you how is Fard the Mahdi the Messiah and Allah??
      when Allah says in surah 6 ayah 102 and 103

      Such is Allah, your Lord! None has the right to be worshipped but He, theCreator of all things. So worship Him (alone), and He is the Guardian over all things.)
      No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Subtle, Well-Acquainted (with all things

      also allah says in surah 42:11

      “There is nothing like unto Him.”
      so if you cant see him and there is nothing like him how could he be a man.. how could flesh contain the creator of all things
      this is no different then the christian that says jesus was god in flesh.. or the son of god.. or how the jews athropomorphize Allah

      • 5% Hov

        LOL Look at you trying to use logic argument with a reglious nutcase.

        5%, which is what Hov and Jay E are, totally rejects the superstitions of black supremacy and the invisible god.

        5% = IS NOT NOI or FOI

      • Super-Khalifah

        You are right….NOI an 5% are not the same BUT the story of Yakub came from Master Fard and Elijah. That is where the 5% Nation’s 120 get it from.

      • David Jerkland

        o yea and i almost forgot how can fard be the mahdi.. and the messiah at the same time.. when they are two different people for 1

        also how is fard the mahdi when the mahdi will be arab
        The Messenger of Allah said: “He is one of us” i.e arab

        he will from the tribe of the quraysh from the banu hashim clan of the descendents of muhammad and his name will be muhammad ibn abdullah
        the Messenger of Allah says: “The Mahdi is of my lineage and family”

        with just that fard is disqualified.. not to mention he is not a caliph he has not fought any wars..none of the miracles of the mahdi that occur for him have happen.. the antichrist has not appeared in the form of a man and the muslims have not conqueored rome etc etc..

        also how is fard the messiah when the messian is jesus son of mary.. no you can come with he is a reincarnation of jesus but muslims dont believe in reincarnation polythiest do.. how do you reconcile this when the messenger of allah say quite the contrary it says he will descend.. ie come down from the sky in syria

        The Prophet said: The Hour will not be established until the son of Maryam (i.e. Isa) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

        The Prophet said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Isa. He will descend (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height & reddish dusky complexion, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops of water were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill the swine, and put an end to war (in another Tradition, there is the word Jizyah instead of Harb (war), meaning that he will abolish jizyah); God will perish all religions except Islam. He [Isa] will destroy the Antichrist who will live on the earth for forty days and then he will die. The Muslims will pray behind him.


        Allah’s Messenger said “How will you be when the son of Mariam descends amongst you and your Imam is from amongst you(ie the mahdi)
        i mean what is there from your religion that can refute these authentic statement.. that obviosly oppose what your beliefs

      • Super-Khalifah

        First, in reference to the NOI using the Bible….as Muslims we do not make distinctions between prophets. As it says in the Quran (2:136)

        Say: We believe in Allah and that which had been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

        Therefore, the Nation of Islam referring the Bible shouldn’t be a problem if you truly believe what Surah 2:136 says. Also, at the time of the coming of Master Fard Muhammad to Black people in America, most were lost in Eurocentric interpretations of Jesus and
        the Bible. So naturally if you are trying to resurrect a people who are buried in the Bible, then revealing the truth of the Bible would be useful. Consider the MISSION of Master Fard and Elijah Muhammad. The resurrection of the mentally and spiritually dead Black men and women of America. Using the Bible is not only a wise decision but it also doesn’t violate Islamic thought if understood correctly.

        In regards to your statement about Surah 33:40…The Nation of Islam believes Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was/is the last Prophet of Allah. The Quran declare Muhammad as the seal of the prophets, but this doesn’t mean another messenger cannot be sent. This verse states that Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet in the Arabic words, khatm al-nabiyan, which means (as you stated) seal or ending of a thing. However, this verse gives Prophet Muhammad two titles, Messenger (Rasul) and Prophet (Nabi). If they were the same, why did Allah say he (Prophet Muhammad) was both to make a distinction? Elijah Muhammad stated himself that he was NOT
        a prophet but a messenger. Elijah Muhammad stated, “Almighty Allah, to whom all praises is due, did not raise me as a Messenger like the Prophets of old, but he raised me as a Messenger, a Warner and a Reminder to the Nations of that which was prophesied to take place in these last days.” (Message to the Blackman) Once again, as controversial as this may seem, it doesn’t go against the Quran.

        In regard to what you said concerning Surah
        3:85….You asked, “how can you improve on perfection???” Beloved, Prophet Muhammad said that three generations after him will not be of him. Prophet Muhammad warned his community of their deviation in these words: “You will follow the precepts of those who have gone before, step by step.” They asked:”O messenger of Allah, the Jews and Christians?” He said: “Who else?” (Bukhari, Kitab al-anbiya). The Quran speaks on the deviation of other faith communities and warns the followers of Prophet Muhammad that he will replace them if they deviate in Surah 5:54; “O you who believe, should anyone of you turn back from his religion, then Allah will bring a people, whom He loves and who loves Him, humble towards the believers, mighty against the disbelievers, striving hard in Allah’s way and not fearing the censure of any censurer. This is Allah’s grace, He gives it to whom He pleases.”

        The question you must ask is, did the community of Prophet Muhammad deviate? I don’t think we need to go in depth about that answer. It is a FACT that they have deviated as is demonstrated by the condition of the Middle East now. Muslims killing Muslims and a host of other deviated behaviors and beliefs that have had the holy name of Prophet Muhammad stamped on it, to seem legitimately
        Islamic or in adherence to the Quran.

        Beloved, as you may already know…this is a discussion that cannot be completed on AllHipHop. However, I believe it is a needed and important topic. If you would like to continue this discussion then please email me at Antoinex.foi@gmail.com

        Asalaam alaikum

      • David Jerkland

        well before i take this to your email.. let me clarify a few things..see the beauty of the deen of islam is that it covers everything.. there are no holes/contradiction in the deen and no need for opinions in this religion as far as aqeedah(creed)

        you asked did the the community or ummah of muhammad deviate after his him..
        Now to answer you.. Allah says “And of those whom We have created, there is a community who guides (others) with the truth, and establishes justice therewith
        this corresponds with what the messenger said “there will always be a group of my ummah who are apparent on the truth, unabated by those who fail or oppose them, until the(Last) Hour commences.
        this ayah and this authentic naration both show that unlike the jews and the christians who went astray and lost there deen and had no way of getting back to the truth because they mixed the truth with falsehood (thus the re advent of islam having to be established by Muhammad having to happen). but for the ummah of Muhammad ibn Abdullah PBUH there will always be a group of muslims whether they be the majority or the minority.. calling to the truth which is the Quran and sunnah.and the understanding of the companions of the Messsenger of Allah PBUH..
        now how do we know and what evidence do we have to know who this group is and why this spliting will occur?
        well Allah’s Messenger PBUH said: “There will befall my Ummah exactly all those evils which befell the people of Israel (Jews and Christians), so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother, there will be amongst my Ummah one, who will do the same. And if the people of Israel were fragmented into seventy-two sects, my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect.” The noble Companions asked: “O Allah’s Messenger (saws), which one is that?” Whereupon he (saws) said: “It is one to which I and my companions are upon today.”

        so yes there will be muslims that deviate from the religion due to introducing newly invented understandings and actions that arent from this deen..for example you have the khawarij that believe in protesting and rebeling against the muslim rulers and the sufis who believe in magic and saints and superstition the ashariyyah who negate Allahs names and attribute and use philosophy and those who believe in democracy like the muslim brotherhood etc etc
        and you will have those who devitate do to acts of kufr (disbelief) or who are were established upon disbelief and where never muslims to begin with..like the shia who worship ali and his descendant the alawites and the druze of syria and in our modern times it has continued with the ahmadiyyah, bahai faith, the NOI, and Moorish science etc etc all who claim prophethood and/or messengership

        and as stated previously there will be no prophets after Muhammad ibn Abdullah PBUH and again in order to be a messenger you have to be a prophet.. so if there arent anymore prophets there are also nolonger any messengers

        all these groups have failed to realize that this deen has been perfected meaning you can not add or take away from it..that its teachings are universal.. and will be relevant till the Last Hour.. all these group all fail to take heed to where Allah says

        Allah says: Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): “If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Quran (3:31)
        or where
        the Prophet of Allah (saws) said: “The best speech is that which is embodied in the Book of Allah, (the Al Quran); and the best guidance is the guidance given by me, Mohammad (saws). and The most evil affairs are the innovations, and every innovation is a going astary. and every going astray is in the fire.”
        so these ayah and hadith all point to the fact that there will always be a light no matter how dark it gets.. that allah will preserve this deen unlike those that came before it.. why?? because it is the final revalation.. and Allah will not replace this deen..which brings me to the next point

        you said “The Quran speaks on the deviation of other faith communities and warns the followers of Prophet Muhammad that he will replace them if they deviate in Surah 5:54”

        now i dont know if you knowingly or unknowingly twisted surah 5:54..but it doesnt speak on deviation.. rather it speaks about disbelief after believing.. two totally different things..Allah says
        54. O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islam), Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the way of Allah, and never fearing the blame of the blamers. That is the grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures’ needs, All-Knower.)
        Allah here is emphasizes His mighty ability and states that whoever reverts from supporting His religion and establishing His Law, then Allah will replace them with whomever is better, mightier and more righteous in Allah’s religion and Law..(we see this happening today with the muslims.. but i will get to that toward the end)
        thisin know way is saying he will reform/change/replace the deen because they differ and innovate into the religion why doesnt he say this because, you cant change this deen (the quran and sunnah).

        Allah has promised to preserve and guard this deen. in surah 15:9

        Allah says: We have, without doubt, sent down the Reminder (i.e., the Quran); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

        so just to recap individuals can change, groups can change, but the quran and sunnah and the understanding of the companion cant change.. nor will it be hidden/lost.. but the deen will always be there presereved and there will always be people who practice it as it should be practiced..

        you also said that “Prophet Muhammad said that three generations after him will not be of him.” which is not true..
        Prophet Muhammad PBUH, said: “The best of my nation is my generation then those who follow them and then those who follow them.” (Saheeh Bukhaaree)
        there is no narration that says that those generation after the sahaba the tabieen and the taba at tabieen.. will not be from him.. this is a false statment.. and you should check your source

        acctually allah says the opposite

        Allah says in in suarh 3:110: You [true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways, etc.)] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma’ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allah. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fasiqun (disobedient to Allah – and rebellious against Allah’s Command).

        and as for the whole justifying using the bible 2:136
        the correct understanding of that ayah is that yes Allah directed His believing servants to believe in what He sent down to them through His Messenger Muhammad and in what was revealed to the previous Prophets in general. Some Prophets Allah mentioned by name, while He did not mention the names of many others. Allah directed the believers to refrain from differentiating between the Prophets and to believe in them all. They should avoid imitating whomever Allah described as in surah 4:150-151

        And wish to make distinction between Allah and His Messengers (by believing in Allah and disbelieving in His Messengers) saying, “We believe in some but reject others,” and wish to adopt a way in between. They are in truth disbelievers.
        Al-Bukhari narrated that Abu Hurayrah said, “The People of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and translate it into Arabic for the Muslims. The Messenger of Allah said Do not believe the People of the Book, nor reject what they say. Rather, say, >>We believe in Allah and in what was sent down to us.<<

        this corresponds to what Allah has ordered the muslim to say.. Allah says in surah 2:136

        We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us
        and surah 3:52
        We believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)

        the companion Qatadah said, "Allah commanded the believers to believe in Him and in all His Books and Messengers. '' Also, Sulayman bin Habib said, "We were commanded to believe in the (original) Torah and Injil(gospel), but not to implement them.''

        and also just to further clarify the original torah and injil no longer exsist due to omittion fabrication and mistranslation and false intepretation. and the currnet versions of them are not to be considered the torah and injil.

        so not only is it incorrect to use something that is textually unreliable .. but it is not the sunnah of the Messenger of Allah who gave dawah to christian jews and idol worshippers to use these books.. but it is the sunnah to use the quran and sunnah which was revealed to him to clarify what is the truth and to call mankind to it
        and just to provide so further evidence there is an authentic hadith narrated by jabir ibn abdullah who said: Umar copied part of the Torah in Arabic, brought it to the Prophet PBUH , and began to read it to him. As he read, the Prophet’s face changed color(due to anger). One of the men of the Ansaar said, "Woe to you Ibn Al-Khattaab! Can you not see the face of the Messenger of Allaah?’ Thereupon, the Prophet PBUH said, ‘Do not ask the People of the Book about anything for they will not guide you when they have gone astray. (If you listen to them) You will either disbelieve in what is right or believe in what is false. By Allaah, if Moses had been alive today, he would have been obliged to follow me.’”

        and i would just liketo end the post with the next aayh of 2:136 which you tried to use as an evidence in surah 2:137-141

        Allah says in
        137: So if they believe in the like of that which you believe then they are rightly guided; but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allah will suffice for you against them. And He is the Hearer, the Knower.)
        138 And say, "Ours is the religion of Allah . And who is better than Allah in (ordaining) religion? And we are worshippers of Him."
        139. Say "Dispute you with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Lord And we are to be rewarded for our deeds and you for your deeds. And we are sincere to Him (i.e. we worship Him alone and none else, and we obey His orders).
        140. Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants , were Jews or Christians Say, "Do you know better or does Allah And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony he has from Allah And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
        141. That was a nation who has passed away. They shall receive the reward of what they earned, and you of what you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do.)

  28. Frank

    Wow. I make a point not to listen to bullshit, so Hov been been iffy lately. But he killed that shit. So did Electronica. Thanks for y’all keep following this buullsht so I had to give in and listen.

    Gotta go cop something now.

  29. Lonnie_Kushking

    Illseed must still be riding that short yellow bus instead of driving or hopping the train. That verse was tight, and easy to follow.
    This dude was the modern day version of Rev. Ike, nothing more, nothing less.
    Everything he “taught” was easily obtained in the library of any major city.

  30. Super-Khalifah

    For all who are interested in hearing about “Yakub” and the Caucasian race from the mouth of Minister Farrakhan, as well as most of what the Nation of Islam believes and follows, you can just go to YouTube and go on the Final Call page and watch “The Time and What Must Be Done” lecture series Part 1. There are 58 or more parts all together.

  31. Malik R. Bey

    ” I’m thinking this may actually be true considering the time period in which Jay Z was brought up in Brooklyn, New York – right were Dr. York was based. If you look at the “math” in the diss…it adds up!”…….If any one has seen Jaz O’s “The Originators” video with Jay Z, you will see Jaz with the Ansaar Allah Community in the video with members holding up a large picture of Dr. York, the going by As-Sayyid Isa Al-Haadi Al Mahdi. I din’t realize that this was questionable. I always assumed a connection. You know they had to build together at some point. The following are still shots from the video with members with Jaz O and Jay Z. That is a member Jay Z is talking to in the pic on the far right.


    Who was the person that “50” mentioned in his book, “From Pieces to Weight”??? He spoke of some religious group in Queens that had a certain “PROJECTS” on lock, and they were getting money through the drug trade, and was known to murder and intimidate outsiders and the residents who didn’t belong to this religious group. Some body shed some light on this, please??? Is this the same religious group, but from Brooklyn???

    • Guest

      Dr. York cleaned up Bushwick so it ain’t from this direction. And he never had a community in “QUEENS” so it ain’t us 50 talking about I most definitely know that!

  33. andreaus13

    Back in the 80’s we all studied Dr. York as well as Jay He s telling you in his rhymes that he olny rap about shit he really do and i can tell you J is in the 5 percent nation that is a fact and he will be sending Yacob back in the caves and i plan on helping him

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