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Joe Budden Released By Def Jam
Published Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:26 PM
By Houston Williams
Rapper Joe Budden is no longer signed to Def Jam Records after being heralded as one of its most promising acts in the early 2000’s.


The rapper said he was pleased to be leaving the label and looked forward to the next steps in his career.


"I'm just happy we were finally able to cut all ties. I feel like I have all the talent in the world, but for some reason was never able to showcase it there,” Budden told AllHipHop.com. “I'm looking forward to whatever God has in store for me, and Joe Budden fans should know - today is a beautiful day."


While Budden’s self-titled 2003 album sold over 500,000 copies, he never released another album on the label. He also scored a hit record with “Pump It Up,” which was used in an NBA Campaign. In 2005, Def jam held a listening session for Budden's second release, The Growth, but the album never materialized.


Even without a second album in the market, Budden stayed relevant by releasing several popular mixtapes via the internet and the streets, most notably Mood Muzik 1 & 2.


Def Jam president Shawn “Jay-Z” Carter recently told AllHipHop.com that he wasn’t exactly sure how to release Budden as an artist.


“If you just want to throw an album out there then next week, [fine]… [Then] you’re recording [songs] about how we didn’t support it. We could do that,” Jay-Z said. “We could do that tomorrow. I don’t think that what he wants. I don’t think that what he needs. Maybe…I don’t know.”


Urban legends and gossipers speculated that a 2003 lyrical sparring session might have led Jay-Z, who eventually became Def Jam’s president, to harbor resentment against the younger rapper.


When Joe Budden’s “Pump It Up,” began to gain popularity in 2003, Jay-Z recorded his own version of the song, which began to get significant radio play. Shortly, Budden recorded a verse and added it on to Jay-Z’s. In each’s verse, it seemed like they were sending subtle lyrical jabs at each other.


Jay-Z insisted that notion was completely false and backed up his statement with present examples.


“That [lyrical sparring match] had never influenced my decisions. You see Beanie has a record with R. Kelly (one of his adversaries). Juelz Santana has put and album out. I’m way too big of a person to [do that]. I would never block anyone’s blessing, because of anything personal. If I didn’t want to deal with him, there’s other people there,” Jay-Z said. “I mean, why do we have a problem, I freestyled on his record. He probably made his career off of freestyling over other people’s records. If I start freestyling over other people’s records…Lord forbid.”


Joe Budden has yet to reveal his next move, but the third installment of the Mood Muzik series has been highly anticipated, especially on the internet.


Jay-Z has recently revealed his next album, American Gangster, to be released on Nov. 6. Fans can read an extensive look at the album by reading Manifest Destiny (The American Gangster Story). 


Listen to the Jay-Z / Joe Budden “Pump It Up” Freestyle below:



Comments

 

hoppo45 said:

I blame Looch.
October 9, 2007 3:40 PM
 

Mr_Ace said:

I hope he gets on a good label and gets the exposure he deserves. He's gonna have to push the album on his own though cuz u can't expect the label to do all the work. One of the best though. He needs some shine.
October 9, 2007 3:41 PM
 

mixonc said:

This is a good day for us Joe Budden fans!!! Jay-Z was talking that BS about not knowing how to market Joe Budden, but... I bet he know's how to market himself, and those other bums of lesser talent. If that was the case... Why was Ghostface allowed to flop twice in one year??? But my mans Joey can't get a release in 4 years???????????????????????????? No disrespect to Ghostface either, but dang... He's not exactly a commercial artist either. They need to spread the love over there!!!
October 9, 2007 3:44 PM
 

jthagreat said:

Man, i hope we can get an album from joe (or mixtape) in 2008.
October 9, 2007 3:48 PM
 

Syndrical said:

burn def jam for this
October 9, 2007 3:48 PM
 

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October 9, 2007 3:49 PM
 

KingKareem said:

I fux wit J but Budden bodied 'em.
October 9, 2007 3:54 PM
 

FRISCO BAYDESTRIAN said:

NOT IMPRESSED BY JOE BUDDEN, I PERSONALLY THINK HE HAS TO SHOW MORE LYRICAL TALENT TO EVEN THINK OF BUYING HE'S ALBUMS...
October 9, 2007 3:57 PM
 

Hypnotice7 said:

Budden's mixtapes, especially Mood Music pt 2, better than a a LOT of retail albums
October 9, 2007 4:12 PM
 

JaeHood said:

Budden is the shit, i hope he tears apart def jam on w/e label he goes to
October 9, 2007 4:14 PM
 

gmoney313 said:

finally, cant wait for this nigga to get back in the game. Jay know he played him. Joe ethered that nigga, hurt his feelings like Nas did. its just sad they couldnt get along after that. congrats my nigga
October 9, 2007 4:15 PM
 

Luck said:

MORE lyrical talent??  aint too many people in the game more lyrical than Budden is...stop lookin on the surface and dig deeper
October 9, 2007 4:21 PM
 

paddybee said:

phoenixxx suck a dick bitch!!!!


hope he gets on a good label that knows what to do with him now
October 9, 2007 4:23 PM
 

B Mealz said:


"Ya legacy gettin ruined and you don't want that/ So pretty much learn from him (jordan)/ Don't come back" -

damn its a bunch more of those subliminals in there..just listen to jay's verse and the nba references he uses, and watch how joe comes back at it.. i never peeped that shit until the author mentioned it.
October 9, 2007 4:24 PM
 

Jree$e said:

Hey if you on Def jam and you don't sell records....Blame Jay-z...lol! As a man you gotta market yourself. Stay hungry and put yourself out there. Mixtape wise. jb been hot .. Album wise, nobody cares when Jb is dropping.  How do you market a person noone really cares about?
October 9, 2007 4:25 PM
 

infamous118 said:

Nigga go to koch or somethin
October 9, 2007 4:27 PM
 

42wo non-fakin said:

He'll Bounce Back!
October 9, 2007 4:31 PM
 

DEE-LICIOUS_ahh said:

Wow..........this comes just a day after I read that Jay-z interview with that lame ass answer about why Joe hasn't dropped yet. What a lame.......he couldv'e just kept it real since he knew they were negotiating a release. Anyway I hope Joe's project see's the light of day soon on another label, an independant label or whatEVER. Just let the brother get some damn shine already!
October 9, 2007 4:33 PM
 

ifukswitu said:

wow they drop this dude but will put out some trash out  like many others have said his last couples mixtapes was better than real albums niggas put out  i like hov but knoe way that 534 or that young gunz should have came out
October 9, 2007 4:43 PM
 

jaeda said:

I dont like how hov is treating Joey. I dont know about anywhere else but Joey got the ear of the streets of New York. So, Where is his album at??? Well, i see it wont be on Def Jam. Will Somebody thats serious about putting Joey out please sign him!!!!!!!!!
October 9, 2007 4:55 PM
 

K.A.K. DEUCE said:

This just proves the point that Jay-Z is a tru hater. JB got skills, more so than a whole lot of people in the industry. But we all know that talent isn't what sells in hip-hop, it's image.

Only the fake survive in hip hop
October 9, 2007 5:05 PM
 

AWAXX_thaGREAT said:

Joe Budden who??? Not that one hit wonder guy. Not the guy GAME ripped!! Ohh I know the guy who doesn't wanna see Mista FAB in a battle. Ok him, he sucks Crooked I in 2008.

So is NORE, LL, and Meth right that jay is not CEO material? Damn skippy. I ride wit Hov and I gotta admit this is not somethin he's gonna succeed at.
Bright side is, Well at least Memphis will get to polish up his Hype man skills with the release of American Gangsta.
October 9, 2007 5:06 PM
 

bluethree said:

Man bottline is this, Joey might as well go straight to Koch, cause he ain't sellin' no records. He has no major buzz whatsoever outside of the tri-state area. No one is checkin' for him. Just another mixtape rapper. That's not to say he ain't nice cause I like the mood music shit, but he has no mass appeal. So to think he's all of a sudden gonna start releasin' album after album, niggas might as well forget about that.
October 9, 2007 5:15 PM
 

DSheezy said:

IM SURE THERES MORE TO THE STORY AS WHY JB AINT HAD NOTHIN OUT SINCE 03. AND IF JAY DIDNT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GETTING NAS OUT WHY WOULD HE HAVE A PROBLEM GETTIN JB OUT? THE BATTLE THAT THOSE 2 HAD WAS WAY MORE PERSONAL AND DIRECT THAN A COUPLE OF SUBLIMINAL LINES.

AND WHY DOES EVERY RAPPER THAT HAS A PROBLEM AT DEF JAM BLAME IT ON JAY. THAT NI99A HAS PEOPLE HE HAS TO ANSWER 2 AS WELL. DO YOU THINK THAT LA REID AND STEVE BARTELS WOULD SIT BY WHILE JAY IS COSTING THE LABEL BOAT LOADS OF MONEY BY LETTING HIS PERSONAL FEELINGS CLOUD HIS PROFESSIONAL DECISIONS?

October 9, 2007 5:17 PM
 

murK said:

finally, damn I don't like joe budden & I get tired of reading when is joe budden gonna drop? (w/ saigon,papoose,etc.) now he can release his album cuz u would be crazy not to sign budden because he got skills
October 9, 2007 5:22 PM
 

odeisel said:

You don't know what goes on in office politics.  Joe budden droppe din 2003.  Jay-z aint get on till 2004.  So obviously shit was goign on with fdef jam and joe before hov got there. Rapper sgotta get off they ass and stop thinking releasing a mixtape is going to help them push product.

You guys love budden so much would you rath erthem devote a couple mil to a project none of you wil lbuy becasue you will download it and have joe slaving to the label? great fans. this is a business.  Ghostface didnt flop.  he recouped. He has his nitch and he does what he does.
October 9, 2007 5:26 PM
 

KushedOut said:

buddens is one of the nicest out..aint too many people fuckin with him lyrically..first album was crack.. all the mood music shit was dope. hope he gets a good home. he deserves it.
October 9, 2007 5:29 PM
 

KushedOut said:

haha and i love the pic they used of joe... with the what the fuck look
October 9, 2007 5:32 PM
 

Boss Up said:

u still the man joe...no homo
October 9, 2007 5:39 PM
 

BULLCITY FELLA said:

isn't this the type of stuff that happens all the time in the RECORD BUSINESS....People get delayed and sometimes NEVER make it to the mainstream public....Folks, it ain't ALWAYS the label president's fault when an artist doesn't make it....Fa real, what would Jay have to gain by blocking this dude.?? C'mon mane...if it don't make dollars then it don't make sense/cents...and like daboy said, he's doing bidness with R and Santana....why, cause it makes dollars..!!!
If he's hot, he'll be hott and ain't nuthin jay, def jam or anyone else can do....if he's that critical somebody'll get'em and put him out post-haste....We'll see about that tho...
Maybe selling 500K units just ain't worth the hassle the 2nd time around for Def Jam....LOL
October 9, 2007 5:40 PM
 

Yadadamean said:

((The rapper said he was pleased to be leaving the label and looked forward to the next steps in his career))
which is
"Welcome to Micky D's, my name is Joey...would you like to 2 Apple pies with your order"
-or-
"Thank you for calling Geiko Insurance, home of the gecko, my name is Joey B...can I please have your policy number" LMAO!!

FUCK WACK ASS JOEY....Game murdered you YA B'YUTCH!!!!
October 9, 2007 5:42 PM
 

Yadadamean said:

Wack ass niggas always get dropped. I dont know nan nigga in Cali with even a burnt CD of his shit...let alone even have his shit download to they computer




I read my name out Makaveli
with the THUG LIFE tatted
on the bottom of my belly
-2Pac-
October 9, 2007 5:45 PM
 

hiphopsrealist said:

yall dum asses sayin that joe got to prove more lyricl talent must not noe shyte bout this rap game becuz lyrically hands down if u listen to buddens he is one of the best.....and i dont even fuck wit the east coast like dat...shout out to virginia....but i know my music so i noe who got it..and noe this is not an opinion its a fact

http://www.myspace.com/1smok3alotsurstyl3
October 9, 2007 5:46 PM
 

Yadadamean said:

@infamous118

DAYYUM my nigg...dat beezy in yo avi got dumb ass...YEEE(lol)!!
October 9, 2007 5:46 PM
 

The Aristocrat said:

if budden gets clapped nine times and drops his album ya'll will start checking for it... smh
October 9, 2007 5:48 PM
 

YagurluvsMe said:

He seemed happy to be realeased so hey...go indie n do u...
October 9, 2007 5:51 PM
 

FEBword said:

God don`t like ugly Jigga! You jave 20 rappers on DEF JAM and none of them will see the light of day. DEF JAM is a R&B label now. Fuck DEF JAM! Free: Tru Life, & Peedi Peedi. That Allah that Joe & Nore got away fuck those people.
FEB-Hiphop
October 9, 2007 5:53 PM
 

Yadadamean said:

The Aristocrat said:
if budden gets clapped nine times and drops his album ya'll will start checking for it... smh


((Shiiiiiiiiiiiiit, Yeah right!!))
October 9, 2007 6:03 PM
 

Claus said:

Buddens murked Jay...JAy is a bitter old man talking about he wouldn't do that to anybody please thats why State Property never popped off admit it ppl he just a grimey ass dude
October 9, 2007 6:09 PM
 

djface860561 said:

fuck it bout time

formore hip hop ask YA MOMS

http://www.zshare.net/download/4107592e58d740/
October 9, 2007 6:11 PM
 

Chubbeemane said:

**Don't know how to 'market' him?? Aw man.. His first album was a let down, production- wise but fuck man, just sink some dough into his project. You're JAY FUCKIN Z.. Give Budden some guidance. Test yourself as a true leader. This dude should not be outside the game like this. He should be frontrunning. That's what's wrong with the industry. I mean, how many solid hiphop albums is DefJam really putting out anyway? People hate on Koch, but at least they let you have their resources and be who you want to be... Companies are 'marketing' fucking SOULJAH BOY and HURRICANE fucking CHRIS. Enough with the copping out... Too many good story tellers going to waste(Killer Mike, Clipse, Budden, M.O.P., etc....).
October 9, 2007 6:24 PM
 

hotrock11 said:

....this is only relevant to internet geeks and stans....

if joey buttons released an album right now, it would go triple wood with some of his biggest "fans" not even coppin' it.

He's garbage. Irrelevant. A local jokal!
October 9, 2007 6:27 PM
 

J.Roc. said:

Ive never seen people jump ship with the artists they like, Like shit goes down in Hip-Hop. With that said, Budden Is An ill Emcee, And thats what he is So His Shit Needs to drop soon.  Seems Like Jay Did Him Dirty on this whole situation, But It May Not have been just Jay, Aint nobody know for sure but the 2 men involoved. Joey Neverd "Ethered Jay Like Nas" either, neither did wack ass lame(game). Its a good look for Joe to be out shopping his shit, somebodey will sign the man, talent speaks for itself.
October 9, 2007 6:32 PM
 

Five18p said:

I find it funny that below Joe Budden's picture on this page is an advertisement for Jay-Z lol

I wish Budden well, I never bought his shit but don't mind his work.

Jay-Z on tha other hand is on suspect street with me...he need to prove himself to me all over again.

His last 3 albums were trash...I know this cuzz I've only listened to them a few times.

I still rock Blueprint and albums before...
Come on with it Jigga...we ain't scared...bring da heat back baby

518p-
October 9, 2007 7:07 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

Yo Im real sick of dudes hating on Joe Budden

Most of the niggas that be like I aint never hear of him.  Or he a one hit wonder and shit.

Yall the dumb mutha fuckas that only listen to commercial rap.

Yea if you check billboard to figure out who hot and who not, and dont pick up no mixtapes, dont put your ear to the street, dont get word of mouth or nothing...

then yea you probably neva heard of him!

Every body that was into the mixtapes know that Joe buddens was blazin it since like '01.  Back in highschool and shit, I used to buy them mixtapes faithfully so i knew who was coming with the fire before they hit the commercial market.

Yall dumb niggas in love with these ring tone urban pop ass rappers who put out garbage ass albums which is the reason niggas dont go to the store no more and cop in the first place.

Joe 1st album was a lot better than a lot of yall niggas favorite rappers' 1st albums.  Go cop it see for yourself.

Imma stop being nice to dumb niggas.  Start biting heads off on everything stupid I read in here for real.  The tie bout to come off and the collar untightened.  Cuz day after day, I hear a lot of dumb stuff.

And dont worry cuz if you say something stupid, Im not gone be subliminal.  Imma point you the fuk out!

on another note:

That track took me back.  Joe Budden/Jay Z joint.  Jay said some crazy stuff, but come on fellas.  Joe definitely held his own against hiim.  It took balls in the first place to even get back at him on the track.  That was back when Jay was hating on the up and coming new cats in the game.  Back when he still wanted the spot light.  Wait a minute...aint shit chane about that.  Jay still do that shit.


-HP  (North Philly Stand Up!!, ya boy had to come home for a minute)
October 9, 2007 7:23 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

and oh yea, to the dude who said game killed Joe Buddens, I forget which one of you dudes said it:

Hang yaself!!


October 9, 2007 7:25 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

I found out who it was.

AWAX thaGreat


Tha Great pipe cleaner.
October 9, 2007 7:27 PM
 

UnDefyned said:

JOEY!!! I know you excited but PLEASE DO NOT sign wit JIVE or BAD BOY. Thank you kind sir
October 9, 2007 7:33 PM
 

KingOfEngland said:

10 min song on his only album (classic)
October 9, 2007 7:52 PM
 

ILLZITO said:

SOUNDS LIKE JAY IS SCARED OF THE YOUNGIN
TAKING SOME OF THAT SHINE,WHILE I'M NOT A
FAN OF JOE, HE DOES HAVE A FOLLOWING AND WOULD PROBABLY DO HALF A MIL (AGAIN).WHY NOT RELEASE DA ALBUM.WITH TODAYS CROP OF TALENT MOSTLY NOT SELLING MORE THAN 300 THOUSAND,IT WOULD BE A SMART BID-NESS MOVE AND IF HE DONT DO BETTER THAN THAT LET HIM GO,BUT AT LEAST TAKE A RISK
ON DA KID.
                         PEACE!
October 9, 2007 8:28 PM
 

billy3 said:

Joe is one of the illest ever and the most slept on "artist" in music.  I'm riding for you, Mouse!!!
October 9, 2007 8:41 PM
 

prop24 said:

NEXT!!!!! Joe will be aight, NEXT!!!!!!!!
October 9, 2007 8:42 PM
 

TuNe said:

its about muthafuckin time
October 9, 2007 8:44 PM
 

qdeezy said:

cosign, he need to just go to KOCH, they distributin fox boogie & hell if they can blow JIM JONES up then imagine what they can do for an ACTUAL 'lyricist'


they'll know what to do w/ him
October 9, 2007 8:50 PM
 

hotrock11 said:

hahaha @ his fans writing novels trying to trash talk those who dislike him....too much time on your hands...
October 9, 2007 9:05 PM
 

Thirty Plus said:

Joe Budden seems like he has a core base of fans, so I think he should go to Koch and get his hustle on, and quit being lazy waiting on a label to promote him.
October 9, 2007 9:05 PM
 

sideshowRaheem said:

I'm from Jersey and a big fan of Joe but that nigga always came across a someone who didn't really want it. He's just not hungry I hear him say once that he would be just as happy working in a factory and rapping part time, what type of shit is that. He's lazy look how long it's taking him to release his next mix tape that's not Def Jam holding him back that just Joe not getting in the studio.
October 9, 2007 9:08 PM
 

hiphoplanet » Blog Archive » Joe Budden Get Released By Def Jam said:

October 9, 2007 9:23 PM
 

Poet215 said:

North Philly, I see U.....@ Hood Prophet!


But, bout Budden....dude is a nice MC/lyricist, hands down.  He definitely held his own up against Jay back in '03.  Dude got something to say & his rhymes don't just ramble on bout nothin'.  Maybe the choice of production held em' back or maybe some could even say his voice.  In da '80's & '90's 500,000 would have been successful, but I gues we in that platinum era........& goin' gold don't cut it..............1
October 9, 2007 9:35 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

@hotrock11

was that a subliminal diss homie?  Real niggas point out who they talking to so it aint no confusion.

You read Joe article (which was lengthy), then you made time to go down and read the fans' "novels".  Then scroll down and place your own comment.

Sounds like you put time in homie.

And from your avatar, I see you put a lot of time in with the cartoons...




October 9, 2007 9:36 PM
 

The Atl Boy said:

I'm sorry but anytime you make a diss record after you've heard the other person's verse, doesn't that automatically give you an advantage?  you're a bum if ya couldn't be able to come back with a better rebuttal?  Budden got skillz, but outside the Northeast, he's irrelevant.  How many of ya'll actually bought mood musik 1 or 2?  or did ya download it?
October 9, 2007 9:38 PM
 

JRbChillin said:

It is about time.  Now Joey can get that album out without Jay-z and the def Jam office politics stopping him.  
October 9, 2007 9:46 PM
 

MAK™ said:

TO ALL AHH HEADS.....

I SAID IT ONCE, I'LL SAY IT A AGAIN... IF YOU HUNGRY IN THE GAME YOU GOTTA GO FOR YOURS YOU DON'T WAIT FOR THE LABELS TO PROMOTE YO ASS.. YOU GOTTA DO YOUR PART AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE FALLS IN PLACE.... JOE (SAD TO SAY) NEVER DID THAT... HE KILL'D TIME WHEN HE COULD'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE WHILE BEING ON DEF JAM...

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY HUNGRY ASS RAPPERS WOULD KILL TO BE IN HIS POSITION AND GO ALL OUT PROMOTING THEIR DAMN SELVES???? ALOTTA MUHFUCCAS....

SO I REALLY CAN'T ACCEPT IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY JAY-Z DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN DEF JAM ETC...

WHAT ABOUT:

FABOLOUS

YOUNG JEEZY

LUDACRIS

JUELZ SANTANA

RIHANNA

NE-YO

THE ROOTS

KANYE WEST

HTTP://MYSPACE.COM/CRACKPRODUCTIONS

-MAK-
October 9, 2007 9:57 PM
 

h_town_playa said:

who cares. where da dro at
October 9, 2007 10:03 PM
 

Chubbeemane said:

That's true MAK. But there are no mention of the unsuccessful players on the roster. And Budden should be priority over at least 3 of the above mentioned artists... But as CEO w/career, Hov can only do so much. You people can't hate on Jay- Z for wanting to stay relevant and furthermore, the best to do it. If he put out shitty music as an artist you people would eat him alive. And nobody can say that any of Jay-Z's albums are shitty. Blueprint2, disc 1 was his worst work and that was still better than most... Kingdom Come was like a fill-in for something better to come. Oiling the gears...
October 9, 2007 10:10 PM
 

tha clear said:

buttons got jigga on that freestyle.However, I do believe there is some shady shit going on at def jam. No artist has been served well since jay took the reigns. This leads me to believe that dame dash was responsible for roc a fella's success on the buisness tip. IMO Jigga lookin out for himself.
October 9, 2007 10:52 PM
 

MAK™ said:

@ chubbeemane... i hear you, the unsuccessful players outweigh the successful ones...

DTP is promotion should be Luda all day!

How did Beans n Bleek n Amil get shine on Roc??? Jay-Z (who wasn't president at the time) knew how to showcase and bring them into the picture by getting the right tracks that had them all over the hook or a catchy verses...

Luda ain't doni that for Shawnna/ Serious Jones etc... He needs to know how to put them on that not only real hip hop heads can get their attention but the 'others' as well...

Ghostface prolly my favorite out of Def Jam but I can't get mad at Jay if he don't sell records, it's because he not making the attempt to showcase his own shit. And i'm talkin Fish Scale and More Fish album.... I seen him once on 106 or MTV Direct Effect promote that shit.... Naw Ghost,,, come weeks/months ahead... show luv and let them 15 and under year old kids watching get ya vibe... they'll buy ya music if you find a way to appeal to them...

Busta a G in the game but he stays relevant because he knows the energy to bring and what to say to appeal to the fans...

im tired of typin.... ya'll get the point...

HTTP://MYSPACE.COM/CRACKPRODUCTIONS

-MAK-

October 9, 2007 10:53 PM
 

Handsome_Rob said:

I'm from tha Lou and I've been a Buddens fan since Def Jam Island... With Red Cafe and Vandalyzm(my fam)

I don't think Jay haten on Joe B.... But do tha Artist have to make themselves marketable.... Thats tha labels job... I know he got material and good material

Who ever said Joe Buddens ain't dat shit got they ears screwed on wrong (Mr. Potato head)

Buddens we got some fiya producers in tha lou who would jump at tha chance to give Joe Buddens that fiya


www.myspace.com/vandalyzm

Blackspade

tech production

and thats just to name a few... Fam shit good luck
October 9, 2007 10:58 PM
 

hiphopsrealist said:

@yaddamean
nigga i stay in cali nigga all up in threw the bay nigga joe budden is the nigga in this here real hip hop shyte of cousre dnt noe cali niggas got hius shyte like dat cuz the west coast circuit anit open to shyte like that  u onli listen to main stream or wateva kmel gets nigga stop talkin down on niggas that u no nuffin bout bitch
October 9, 2007 11:32 PM
 

Ty$ said:

Def Jam did the same thing to cormega
October 9, 2007 11:53 PM
 

nevershine said:

thats what the fucks happen when you fuck with g-unit, love for budden but when he went at g-unit killed his career.
October 10, 2007 12:12 AM
 

Intelekt said:

I copped his Def Jam debut, and the shit was cool. It was good, but it sounded like unfulfilled potential. I never copped either Mood Muzik mixtape, but I'm curious now... I'm not gonna hate on Jay, and all I can say is that y'all hatin on Budden need to chill. No one cares about Budden? Outside the Northeast he's irrelevant?? Man, look. If you get the right independent deal, you could be making decent money from sellin 100,000 copies, plus your touring and w/e other shit you can manage to get poppin. I tell you this, I'm sure he has enough of a fanbase that if he plays his cards right and gets his business straight, he'll be good.
October 10, 2007 1:20 AM
 

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October 10, 2007 1:47 AM
 

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October 10, 2007 1:47 AM
 

HPT_D_Nice_1 said:

lol @ niggaz really thinkin Jay held Buddens back because "he was scared Buddens would steal the spotlight"

don't be silly
October 10, 2007 1:48 AM
 

DSheezy said:

Yadadamean said:
((The rapper said he was pleased to be leaving the label and looked forward to the next steps in his career))
which is
"Welcome to Micky D's, my name is Joey...would you like to 2 Apple pies with your order"
-or-
"Thank you for calling Geiko Insurance, home of the gecko, my name is Joey B...can I please have your policy number" LMAO!!

WHOOOOOO! LMFAO!
October 10, 2007 1:48 AM
 

Joe Budden Released From Def Jam: So What Now? « Sneakerboxx said:

October 10, 2007 2:07 AM
 

DSheezy said:

I HAVE A QUESTION:
DOES JOEY B HAVE A PUBLICIST? OR HOW ABOUT A MANAGER?  

INSTEAD OF BLAMING THE LABEL AND JAY, WHY ISNT JOEY MAKING GUEST APPEARANCES ON EVERYBODY AND ANYBODIES JOINT. WHY AINT HIS PEOPLE OUT THERE PUSHIN HIM LIKE CRACK IN THE 80'S? THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT GET A BIG PUSH AT ANY LABEL ARE THE ONES THAT PROVE THEY CAN SHOW THE LABEL A PROFIT.  THESE DAYS IF THEY AINT BACKIN THE BRINKS TRUCK UP DUE TO YOUR SALES, U BETTER GET YOU A NEW COACH A STREET TEAM AND A PUBLICIST WITH A MOUTH GAME LIKE SUPAHEAD TO CREATE A BUZ 4 U.

I AGREE WITH A LOT OF U THAT JOE B DOES HAVE SOME FIRE, BUT LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD.  THERES A LOT OF RAPPERS IN THE GAME THAT GOT SKILLS JUST AS HOT IF NOT HOTTER THE JOE B AND THEY DONT EVEN GET AN ARTICLE ON AHH, LET ALONE A BIG BUDGET TO PUSH THEY SHIT OUT.
October 10, 2007 2:11 AM
 

KushedOut said:

all you joe buddens haters listen to "10 minutes" then holla back
October 10, 2007 3:04 AM
 

TheKnowledge said:

if Budden's career was derailed over a fuckin mixtape freestyle, that is some sad shit yo.
October 10, 2007 3:18 AM
 

djlocskeet said:

still don't know what all the hype is about he made 1 damn single!
October 10, 2007 5:43 AM
 

The_Game07 said:

Good news. Good luck Joe.
October 10, 2007 6:05 AM
 

stinkynicky said:

about damn time!!!
he's talented

October 10, 2007 6:27 AM
 

hovitos way said:

jay-z kicked a random freestyle.joe had to respond with a random diss record outta nowhere.just like the game and fifty cent.he is obsessed with jigga.
October 10, 2007 6:31 AM
 

curtis75black said:

I never liked when a Hip Hop label says they don't know how to market a Hip Hop artist. That doesn't make any sense to me. This happened with WC and Warren G when they was down with Def Jam and even then I found that argument DUMB AS FUCK!! You don't need a market plan for certain artists -not all are gimmick ridden. Let the artist hit the booth, lace the tracks, put a good 15-20 together and put it out there for the wolves to eat up. Simple as That!! I see it like this, Joe only had one Major hit with "pump it up" but you heard the other shit he created. If you can't market him, you're not the man for the job.
October 10, 2007 6:55 AM
 

Cleric said:

The only thing J markets is J.
October 10, 2007 7:02 AM
 

Demsky said:

I knew it was coming Joe is definitely one of the best out yeah the album had some fillers but the shinning moment was some of the best i seen from MC's he is one artist who isnt scared to take you into his world however dark or light it is. no candy cane raps no
snap and pop no sweet ass dance moves just high lyrical content I think Jay scared of the competition he need the focus to stay on him a little bit more right now. Hopefully Joe will find another outlet for his music but until then i will still fuck with mood muzik which is hotter than  nearly 90% of the albums that dropped since he first appeared on the scene
October 10, 2007 7:46 AM
 

Hoodgrown said:

Cats are crazy! You dudes sit here blaming Jay... but Jay is a businessman. If Joe Budden was gonna help him make another million dollars you better believe his album was gonna come out.

But you don't just throw an album out there... see what happened to Ghost, Meth and Red?

All you Joe Budden fans talking about you have been waiting for his album... so fucking what?

Yea he has his diehard fans... but so does Ghost, Method and Red... but is that enough to put him in the space that he needs to be in?

His buzz now is not louder than it was when he first came out.. and he only sold 500k. And took a while to do that.

So why just throw an album out for 150,000 diehard fans unless you're on Koch where you can actually make money on those numbers.

I'm a Joe Budden fan... I wanna see him do well... because he deserves it. I don't want to see another half ass album out.. because he won't get another chance afterwards.....






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October 10, 2007 8:06 AM
 

LP2K said:

ABOUT TIME!
October 10, 2007 8:12 AM
 

BumpHipHop: The Hip Hop News Source » Joe Budden Officially Released From Def Jam said:

October 10, 2007 8:13 AM
 

mike06 said:

damned if you do damned if you dont......jay-z fans are blaming joe for being lazy....joey fans are blaiming jay for being vindictive...i understand what jay's saying b/c he's looking at the bigger picture sure joey will sell in NY/NJ....but what about down south, midwest....hell international?....he went gold last time out and even though that's respectable it's not a good look considering the markting and promotion DefJam put into his first project i can see why they're a lil "slow" to put out another album but at the same time...has joey even turned an album in?...sure he has MM3 in his back pocket but as far as a commercial album to put out tot he general public had he even started recording one?....who knows but i guess it's good for both parties, i hope joey doesn't go and start dissin Hov for lack of promotion when he really has to start the blame with himself(if he's even blaming anyone).
October 10, 2007 8:46 AM
 

Souman72 said:

I wish the brother much success who is to say that he wont be the next big MC for 2008 .
October 10, 2007 8:56 AM
 

MD-2-BX VIA I95 said:

Damn Joe.... All that
Slick shit sounded good on the Mixtapes and it got under the Def Jam Execs skin.. I know the clue diss an't help either...
But Do Your Thing Homie Do your thing! .... I got a couple bucks stacked up for Mood Muzik Vol. 3.... Holla
October 10, 2007 9:02 AM
 

Posted In Da Cut said:

OK OK OK OK... First and foremost let me start off by saying Joe Budden is an incredible underground artist. BUT um..that's what he is...UNDERGROUND ARTIST.  You guys have to remember Def Jam is a COMPANY...company are in business to make MONEY!!!!  MOST HIP-HOP softmore projects have a decline in sales when compared to their predecessor. So um... someone that went gold on their first album...then 4 yrs later looking to drop an album...what are you going to expect?  platinum success?  Where are joe budden fans??? RIGHT HERE...Joe Budden fans are US...those who listen to rap that wont even make it to the surface....those of us who download music before buying albums (and sometimes wont even buy the album after downloading).  Let's be serious...stop blaming Jay-Z and Budden. Blame the fact Joe Budden doesn't have enough fans to support commercial success for a second album.  How do you market a single that has no commercial potential to out-do "Pump it up"?  Shit look how many singles 50 had to put out before finding "I Got Money"...and look how many his albums he sold...(and he's one of the BIGGEST NAMES IN HIP-HOP/RAP) look how many albums all of the biggest names in hip-hop sold this year (and they have COMMERCIAL SUCCESS)... Let's all take a step back and BE SERIOUS.  Joe Budden just doesn't have "THAT SINGLE" that'll drive him to the next level (COMMERICAL) yet.  If I'm wrong..then hey I'm wrong.  But that's my opinion.  
October 10, 2007 9:07 AM
 

ya future father said:

good now he can make good music again i still listen to his first album hopefully he gets the shine he deserves
October 10, 2007 9:43 AM
 

Souman72 said:

Posted In Da Cut

I agree 110%
October 10, 2007 9:50 AM
 

jaeda said:

@Hoodgrown

I dont agree with you my dude. Its is Jay Fault. If you listen to Joey's last mixtape he basically asked jay why he hasnt gotten a album release date yet. To prove to you that jay really does have controll of everything at Def-jam. Why did Memphis bleek release an album over there? Why did he let the young Guns release an album over there? I never heard a nigga say they like the young Guns or Bleek's music in the hood. LL said Hova doesnt know what he's doing as well. I mean how much proof do you really need?
Last but not lease if you listen to the diamonds are forever remix with kanye, hov states that Peedi, freeway, and Foxy was going to drop. None of those rappers were able to drop a album yet. Maybe if Hov stopped doing all these R&B tracks with these pop artist chicks and focus on rap, Joey would of been back out. I mean Def-Jam was build on rap music not R&B.
October 10, 2007 10:08 AM
 

EReal said:

"I dont know"- Jay-Z
^
Then WHY THE FUCK are you PRESIDENT of a LABEL, when you dont know how to MARKET your own Artists? Fuck outta here, Jay-Z is the WORST label exec EVAR. The only way he knows how to push his artists is by spittin a sixteen on their single. Fuck outta here. *SMH* He too busy workin on his own albums and his girlfriends' albums to fuck wit a real MC or even a legend like LL. If theres LL, Method, Red, Buddens, all sayin the same fuckin thing, how long are you Jay-Z cock riders gonna say, naw they salty blah blah blah... all them people cant be wrong.
Im startin the "FIRE JAY-Z" campaign.

1 hunned.

(FIRE JAY-Z 07!)
October 10, 2007 10:19 AM
 

Young Caine said:

Co-sign what Hood Grown said...
October 10, 2007 10:25 AM
 

HoodProphet said:

@Posted in the Cut

I think you pretty much summed the situation up.

Everybody that understand the market, understand why Jay and Def Jam did what they did.  Most artist like Joe dont belong on Def Jam label.  That label quickly became a urban pop producing label anyway.  Once the label companies get that big, they only looking for whats going to give them platinum plus.  And unfortunately in this country, you cant go platinum plus with out white people backing u up.

And we not going to get into a lot of the details as to why that is, Imma just leave it at this.  Blacks not realizing the power we have as a community and still having that nigga/slave mentality.  That  "I cant do nuttin less masta say so".  Helpless state of mind.  But I aint gone get to deep on yall.

The argument for me aint would Joe sell big records at Def Jam if he dropped the album and all that.  My argument is with these bubble gum "i cant wait til I get that new ringtone" ass fans who talking about just because he aint drop on Def Jam or aint go plat, he grabage.

And thats the dum niggas who take everything on a face level. Dont read between lines, and also get everything in they life dictated to them.  Told where to eat, shit, live, speak, and work.  Thats the dummy down movement...

Anybody with half intelligence know the dude got serious potential.  What I liked about him was that dude was young but not afraid to talk with intelligence.  Same with Papoose.  Same with termanology.  Same with Styles P, Jadakiss.

Niggas dont know how to support intelligent niggas cause they still got that "Master gon get me if I read" mentality.

So Imma slap the shit out of ignorance when I see it, cause i see shit down to the core.  Down to the root.  Its much deeper than a lot of niggas comprehending.

These the same dudes that probably never listen to Talib, or Mos, or Common.  Cause these dudes hurt they head when they listen to them.  Its no mystery why our communities aint supporting intelligent artist.  We weren't trained to do that.

My goal is to help niggas expand they mind.  Either by nicely talking to them, or smacking them over the head.

Slavery over mutha fuckas.  You can come out your cages (the hood),  Pick up a book,  Get what job you want, be intelligent, and listen to intelligent shit.  You wont get made fun of if you smart or you break from the norms.  God damn sheep.

Where my sheppards?



-HP
October 10, 2007 10:26 AM
 

HoodProphet said:

@Jaeda

I got to agree with you on that one.  Real Talk.

I aint saying shit else about this Joe situation.  real niggas know what it is.
October 10, 2007 10:29 AM
 

HoodProphet said:

@Jaeda

I got to agree with you on that one.  Real Talk.

I aint saying shit else about this Joe situation.  real niggas know what it is.
October 10, 2007 10:29 AM
 

Very Nice said:

never figured out the big hype about joe. wasnt that great.
October 10, 2007 10:47 AM
 

HoodProphet said:

I was on SOHH. com yesterday (Im still riding with AHH tho).

But anyway they got this segment where they go to the streets with questions.  Dude question to the public was inspired by Nas joint Hip hop is Dead.

So they went up to people in the publie and asked is hip hop dead?


It was crazy cause for the most part there were mixed responses and shit.  Cause you know its controversial at this point.  Both sides had points.

But I thought it was crazy cuz like the first 5 people said hip hop was dead.  Then the first guy that said it wasnt was this white dude in a suit and scarf with two white girls on his arm.

He was like no Hip Hop isnt dead.  It will never die.  So the  interviewer put him on the spot and asked who he think is preserving it.

Dude was caught up for a minute cause I guess he didnt know who to say.  The first name this dude mention was Justin Timberlake, I lie to you not.

I was like aint that some shit.  I was like wow thats deep.

It appears to the commercial audience (white mainstream and their Black counterparts).  Hip Hop is more alive than ever.  They didnt like the grungy days of hip hop, they like the bubble gum stuff.

To the undergorund (most blacks in the hood and their white sympathizers), hip hop aint dead but its dying.  And thats cause hip hop forgeting where it came from.  It roze on the backs of these people, then snuffed them.  Said I dont need yall mixtape downloading asses.  These white folks paying me a lot of cash money, so Imma play to their ear.

Now aint that some shit...

Wasnt the Hip Hop movement created to defy the mainstream way of life and uplift the souls and financial status of the oppressed class.  Now we got a few members of this class that, of the backs of the people, roze to the status and lifestyles of that of a mainstream class person, so now they ran with it and aint look back.

Meanwhile the movement goes back to square one. The oppressed people go back to being forgotten.  Cause their leaders no longer talk about their issues. They now talk about the materials they inherited living in the mainstream lifestyle.



Like I said people, shit is deeper than we think...


-HP
October 10, 2007 10:50 AM
 

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October 10, 2007 11:51 AM