Polow Da Don: Talks To Black Women

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MAK™ — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:11:31 GMT

POLO LMAO!!

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MAK™ — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:16:55 GMT

LMAO @ n***** & B****** got mad...

so sad yet so true!

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:21:51 GMT

LMAO@
Take somebody like Oprah (Winfrey.) To me Oprah is a bad example. To me Oprah being titled as the most powerful Black woman in America, and she doesn’t have a man… To me that's sending a bad signal to all young Black women. That's saying the most powerful Black woman in America didn't need a man. You telling me that's a role model?

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CEOTillmanIS2 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:32:22 GMT

Personally, I think it's real talk.

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Doublekid — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:37:15 GMT

I think I understand his point but it's too many generalizations. There are plenty of Black folk who respect their families, elders and each other. There are plenty who read and are well educated.

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AWAXX_thaGREAT — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:39:46 GMT

Damn Polow knows exactly what he's talking about. Why doesn't alot more people realize this s***. I understoodd every single thing he said and agreed. He should be careful with thewhite women though i.e. O.J. and KOBE.

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AWAXX_thaGREAT — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:39:49 GMT

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Megaton — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:49:36 GMT

The truth hurts... alot of people need to listen to this dude instead of getting the "who the fuck does he think he is attitude". Someome needs to say this shit, don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. If it is raining outside and you were going to a pool party, don't get mad at the dude who told you it is raining outside.... CHUUUUUCH

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B-wEsT — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:51:42 GMT

CIARA HAS THAT SONG WITH 50 - TALKIN BOUT HOW SHE LIKE DOPE BOYS - TO ME THATS A BAD LOOK - I DONT EVEN THINK SHE REALLY LIKES DOPE BOYS

BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT IN A GOOD POSITION RIGHT NOW
WE DONT VOTE - AND WE KILL EACHOTHER

LOOK AT THE MUSIC - EVERYONE IS SCARED TO PUT THE WORD LOVE IN THE MUSIC - EVEN R&B -

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Folk — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:03:36 GMT

Man dude talkin real. That Willie Lynch shit is live and in effect and has been working for years. We brag about our cities being the murder capital of the world and shit when they sitting back watching us kill ourselves. Shout out to Polow for speaking on the real. MEN AND WOMEN need to step it up.

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BIGVEEZIE — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:06:35 GMT

I agree my dude, we allow our selves to be enslaved in the mind and some white people don't have much do anymore because *we* kill our selves, *we* talk down and hate on each other, *we* degrade and exploit our women, *we* go on TV and make Hip Hop and Blacks look bad, Our leaders don't pull us to the side, they humilitate us like some white people do on National Television. PAC said, "It's not them that's killin us it's us that's killin us..." People need to wake the f** p and realize Pimp C and Polow is right we really be on that BullSh*t.

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jcseals3 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:12:00 GMT

Thats some real shit tho.Couldnt be better said...

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allparish12 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:34:32 GMT

Preach, Chuuch, Tabernacle, Sanctuary!! Man this was one of the best interviews i've read on allhiphop in years...Polow was on point and i couldnt agree more. Im 24 and this is something i see thats becoming more and more prevalent every single day!! I know people are gonna hate him for saying what he said, but we keep saying real talk and Im real and whatnot, but that was one of the realest things I've read. Especially the part about how if all the women got together and said that they're not gonna date drug dealers anymore, then all the dudes will stop selling it. The power of the P-U-S-S-Y is really why a lot of those cats do that..so if they dont have anyone to do it for then they will eventually stop!! Polow..that was some good shyt!!

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dredaboss — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:35:39 GMT

after Polow clarified some things it seems errbody gettin his message now. Yesterday peeps was straight clownin his comments. I cant say i agree with everything he sayin but the gist of his comments is right on track. You dont have to read books in this day and age to be informed but he is right about the community not wanting to keep themselves informed with anything other than whats poppin right now!! When is the last time that dudes gathered on the corner was discussing current events besides the typical who's fukin who or what drama is goin on in the neighborhood.

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:39:45 GMT

Aye, where were all you nicca's thats agreeing yesterday,cuz some of the people said the same thing in the comments yesterday , that thread was HOTT,People were mad and shyt,

@Fawn Renee
Back 2 back Good interviews, Thats watssup

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Tha Real YaardFather — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:57:51 GMT

Who has the right to call Oprah fake??? she has helped more ppl specifically black ppl...than all her haters collectively...aint that a bitch...a pimp needs a ho...oprah aint a ho...she's a black queen ..

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Yadadamean — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:59:20 GMT

Polo said:
"You are an idiot. If anything, I should have Klansmen feeling disrespected; I should have White women feeling disrespected as far as a Black man saying he's the king of the White women. It's not disrespectful to Black woman at all. If a white man says, "I'm the King of Black women," would [Black women] be mad at the White man? Of course you would be, and so would Black men. You think a White woman would be mad at a White man saying, “I'm the king of Black women?” No, they won’t be mad."

I say: Yadadatalkinbout, ya dig cause I'm the Prince of black/Phillipino women...lol!

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allparish12 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:00:55 GMT

dredaboss...what do you mean people in this age dont need to read to be informed?? The gift to read is essentially the point he's trying to make and the fact that not a lot of blacks exercise it is what he was trying to say, IMO..lemme ask you this, are you just gonna believe everything the news says??

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Yadadamean — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:09:16 GMT

Polo Said:
"But, Black women do need to get their shit together, period, point blank. And if you're in denial of that, you are part of the problem"

I say: Yeah black women do need to get they shit together. They always blamin black guys for shit. They get mad at a nigga for dating white women, but it's ok for them to be a faggot ass bi/lesbian. Sometimes they want to be bi and want you as a black man to accept it and get down with it., but to me a fag is a fag weather u a man or woman.

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Boyd — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:16:21 GMT

polow is still tellin truth. he jus shudda sed this yesterday and not today.

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Kingb10 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:18:43 GMT

Word 2 Polow and yuh..

We Crusin'

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:24:00 GMT

Yadadamean said:
Sometimes they want to be bi and want you as a black man to accept it and get down with it.

( long as i'm getting down wit two women I'm happy)

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:25:24 GMT

Where all the Evil Comments At?

yesterday the ladies were dishing out all kinds of shyt!

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getthesenets — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:35:31 GMT

somebody please alert(and educate) Polow that the "willie lynch" letter is a myth.......

it was refuted years ago...and by referring to it so many times in his interview....he's sounding extremely ignorant.....

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Presidential — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:43:13 GMT

Preach KingHighPimpn! Where's all them sistas that was talkin' all that shit about homeboy cause they couldn't read between the lines and understand where he was coming from. If y'all go back and read my posts...I pointed out that he wasn't disrespecting black women, I pointed out how African women are different from American Black Women, and how American Black Women are the only ones with that kind of strength in the world because they had to handle households through slavery and the civil rights struggle..... Damnit.....I'm a bad mufucka! LOL

Truly,
Presidential

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Crippled Seedz — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:44:01 GMT

This has always been the message. Polow Da Don has finally seen the light as far as eduation and history in America. But he lacks wisdom. Yes whites have accomplish many things in America and if it wasn't for their greed we wouldn't have all the things we have now. But Blacks are the true Americans despite lack of education and maybe living differently than the Europeans. How many genre of music have African Americans created? How many times have whites stole our style and swagger? Look at every commercial now and you'll see Hip Hop. Every conversation and magazine is focus on black music. And who creates the best music in the world? R&B? Jazz? Rock & Roll? and Hip Hop? Blacks and Hispanics from the ghetto!! If it wasn't for these poor uneducated ghetto blacks you speak of you wouldn't have a job or a voice right now. Holla!!

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Crippled Seedz — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:45:02 GMT

U Know How We Do!

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:51:08 GMT

I'm not going to comment to much on what he said today bc he basically re-iterating a lot of things discussed on the other blog..A lot of ni99az get mad at me for a lot of the comments I make but if you pay attention to what this man saying it's exactly the same thing...The white man don't have to hold us back bc we doing it ourselves by hating on each other the way we are..We as black people have been programmed to hate ourselves and we don't even see it..That comes from all those years of slavery .....Ni99az been snitching and putting each other down to please the white man for hundreds of years...It's good a real ni99a stepped up and put all of us on blast..Hopefully, ni99az will not just read this but let it soak in and marinate and change the ways you look at things and the way you carry yourselves..I don't care how much money Oprah gives you can't hate that man for what he said bc it's true..It hurts but get over it..

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:53:27 GMT

@ getthesenets

Who refuted it?? Now think about that answer real hard..What are their reasons for denying it existed? Exactly...Now I bet you feel extremely ignorant..

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polowdadonsson — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:56:44 GMT

my father is speaking da troof my dad is speakin da troof and dose who get offended know its troo but nobody wantz 2 hear da troof becuz every1 iz used 2 bein lied 2 all da time but my father is speakin da troof he aint lyin our own black leaders despise us!!!!nobody cares my dad cares thats y hes sayin it but im "da king of all asian girls"

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Crippled Seedz — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:58:13 GMT

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Style Sharpton — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:58:46 GMT

I read this thinking dude would say something stoopid!!!!...... but he actually made me feel stoopid for assuming he was stoopid! MY APOLOGIES POLOW!

I moved to ATL from San Diego, Ca when I was 18, like back in '95 to do music. "Cell Therapy" had just hit college radio and back then you could still catch Goodie Mob in the streets of S.W.A.T.S where I stayed off Del Mar Lane or at club "Warehouse" every weekend(as patrons). It was a crazy season then. I said that to say: I would see Polow with his dudes (i dont know if it was Jim Crow) rappin at the Warehouse! My dudes was like the west coast wu tang and I heard this line dude spit about having curly hair like Jesus and how his skin was like Jesus.......and I was like WTF? (typical emcee purist hater coming out of me)! Anyway, so I just thought dude was arrogant(then). When I started researching Zone 4 and reading interviews, dude is pretty smart and down to earth I found!

ALL THAT TO SAY......KUDOS MY NGH FOR CREATING A DIALOGUE AND SHEDN' SOME LIGHT ON THE ROACHES!

SHARP!

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YoungG757NGE — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:02:35 GMT

WHEN I READ THAT ARTICLE YESTERDAY I SAID TO MYSELF THIS NIGGA IS FUNNY BUT IT WAS ALL REAL TALK. WHO WOULDA THOUGHT NIGGAS AND BITCHES WOULD GET OFFENDED BEHIND A INTERVIEW BUT WONT GET OFFENDED ABOUT THE JENA 6 ISSUE. WILLIE LYNCH DID A HELL OF A JOB ON THESE NIGGAS ITS CRAZY WHEN ARE THESE NIGGAS GON WAKE UP. HOLLA AT YA NIGGA

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Fawn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:03:58 GMT

Thanks for the love King High Pimpin.

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Charm1 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:04:30 GMT

Where all the Evil Comments At?

yesterday the ladies were dishing out all kinds of shyt!

Ans: Maybe they got tired of commenting and just want the actions to speak louder then words(or maybe they could be busy instead of commenting every 5mins)...Yes Polow did get us talking, Polow did say himself "I feel like if a woman plays her role, then a man has no choice but to play his role."

Well thats not necessarily true. In a perfect world maybe...

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She Luv Me Long Time — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:04:31 GMT

Yeaaa Shouts Out to Polo and David Banner for speakin' da truth... Im sure Pac woulda had somethin' good to add to dis topic. Damn we need dat nigga back!!!

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IHAVEALIFE — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:17:25 GMT

I'm from Atlanta and I read this site often.(Mostly while i'm having lunch) I have a degree, great career, and A LIFE. So not everyone who reads ALLHIPHOP is a loser. I got a login just to comment on the two interviews. This dude just opened my eyes to a lot of shit. I honestly have never read the Willie Lynch Letter until today and I was like DAMN. No one can hate on Polow for the shit he shed light on, it's true. Read the letter for yourself, it was written in 1712 AD way before any of us was thought about. If you sit back and look at our society, these mufuckas still doing this same old shit. With professional athletes, blacks in corporate America, down to the dope boys. They use the athletes to entertain them by the physical talents. They make blacks envy each other in corporate america and eat out of the white mans hand. The dope boys are like the "nigger child" that was broken at an early age from a "nigger female" The first thing they do when the whites get them is yell "Call my Momma". I beg all you to read this letter. I've attached a link above. This will help change your perception. They always say, "if you want to hide something from a nigga put it in a book".

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Tommy2Gunz — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:22:16 GMT

The man speaks the truth without any convition, the truth is like medicine it taste horrible but it is good for you. Wake up black people it is time to fix ourselves. Each one teach one because we are in a big divide right now with the young against the old, man vs. woman, light against dark, muslim against christian. Willie Lynch is laughing in hell right now at how messed up he has us. Like NAS said bridge the gap. Come on black people especially our self proclaimed leaders ( al "slick haired ashamed of his real negro hair" sharpton) who despise the younger generation. Remember temporaries don't get rid of your Afrikan roots.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:22:51 GMT

@ Charm1

You lost because all men know that statement is true..If we can admit it you should be able to..I forgot that song Jay had where he was talking about ni99az selling dope, buying rims, and all this other shit to impress women..If women weren't impressed by so much of the materialistic shit, ni99az wouldn't be dying out here in the streetz to get it..If women stopped taking the easy way out and fucking with dope boyz, would dope boyz still exist??Maybe some would but they'd be left to fuck each other but that will never happen bc there will always be sellouts who want shit easy in life and handed to them that fuck shit up for the rest of the women out there......Look how many black women took advantage of the welfare system..Don't act like the shit wasn't happening and still ain't...Those women made it bad for the black women that actually needed it..See what I mean..It's good and bad out there but a lot of the times the bad dictate more of how things are ran and percieved..

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Polar Bear Grizz — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:24:48 GMT

Damn all that ish is true. I remeber women telling me they wanted a thug then be crying when they get sh***ed on by him like they didn't know what they was gettin in to or the dude goes to jail and they don't even hold him down while he doin the bid. All the mothers and grandmothers allowin their kids to sell drugs out of their home and pretend they don't see it. I think the ladies do hold the power to make the change but you see how they're being real quiet right now with the post. C'mon girls speak up!

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JayeJaye — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:25:17 GMT

GawgaBwoy: "The white man don't have to hold us back bc we doing it ourselves by hating on each other the way we are..." That is SO true.

Another thing, what Polow says in MY opinion, is JUST an opinion. He has NOT dated EVERY black woman, NOR has he dated EVERY white woman in America. He is ONE man who has dated (thinking about all the women in the world) a FEW women.

There are some people who would say, "Fat women are more submissive than skinny women." OR "Blonde women are more submissive than brunnette women." OR even, "Women that live on the west coast are more submissive than women that live on the east coast."

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BlackPeople 1 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:29:05 GMT

With the exception of pop music reasons, dude really and clearly illustrates his points.

Anybody that brings up the Willie Lynch letter -- whether it was a fictional motivational piece or not (like that thank you Black America letter) -- is alright with me.

And he encourages people to read.

Can never be said enough.

-Black People

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Polar Bear Grizz — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:34:00 GMT

Bytches ain't shyt!

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Achocl8sista — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:35:50 GMT

I only read half of it cause "I dont read" but apparantly niether does he. From what I read the Willie Lynch letter was a fictional piece of work and no one was ever able to prove that Willie Lynch existed. Thats what my non-reading self read.

I say love who you wanna love. But from my experiences men need to step thier game up. Allot of us have to be independent cause Mofo's don't know how. Bring something to the table aside from whats between your legs. NEWS FLAS!!! Every man has one thats why your not a wo-man...

Are the roles he is referring to the ones defined by society or the roles you and partner decide to settle on??? Some men are great cooks and poor bill payers, and some women are poor cooks and great billpayers.

I say determine your niche based on your relationship and go from there. Stay away from crabs in a basket. Last but not least, Every person needs a positive male role model, women to learn how she should be treated and men to learn how to treat women. It sure beats not having a male role model and fumbling through trying to figure this B8tch out, you make way more mistakes.

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Presidential — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:36:12 GMT

@Charm1......Please! They wasn't too busy to comment every 5 mins. yesterday when they thought it was big disrespect comin' their way. Now that they can't jump to negative conclusions and light has been shed on the real meaning behind his words, those same ladies can't come and admit they were wrong? The same ones that talked all that "Strong Black Woman" talk?? Being able to admit a mistake is strength in itself. Pride is strong, but swallowing it takes even more strength.

Truly,
Presidential

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K.A.K. DEUCE — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:40:43 GMT

My manz is spittin that real! I can't knock that at all. Too bad more of us ain't up on that!

"Knowledge Is Power"

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D-BOYROB313 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:53:06 GMT

MAN I AGREE WIT WHAT POLOW SAYIN ITZ REAL TALK TO ME

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Christopher3712 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:00:54 GMT

Truth be told, dude is funny and on point. Proppzz

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:01:29 GMT

Fawn said:
Thanks for the love King High Pimpin

( no problems,, best thread i've readin months)

Charm1 said:
Where all the Evil Comments At?

yesterday the ladies were dishing out all kinds of shyt!

Ans: Maybe they got tired of commenting and just want the actions to speak louder then words(or maybe they could be busy instead of commenting every 5mins)

(Boo, I'm at work,,I need some to do the buy pass time)

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HERHOP — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:09:58 GMT

wow. this article and the blogs made me feel truly hated by my black men. i am truly hurt and disappointed that my brotha's feel like black women can't love them like a white women/or other women can. what he says about black women is offensive and he generalized us. i'm reading the blogs and we are being called bitches and hoes. we are bein blamed for all that's wrong with our race. wow. what about black men and the things they need to do to step up. give me a reason to be submissive, for a start take care of your kids, go to church, get a job, stay out of jail. i can go on and on about black men as well...i thought i was a respected peer on this site, but apparently i'm just another "negative" sistah who's not allowed to defend herself and her sistah's. i wish all of you the best. herhop will not be back. peace.

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JAH-MALE THE 1 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:16:43 GMT

King High Pimpn said:
LMAO@
Take somebody like Oprah (Winfrey.) To me Oprah is a bad example. To me Oprah being titled as the most powerful Black woman in America, and she doesn’t have a man… To me that's sending a bad signal to all young Black women. That's saying the most powerful Black woman in America didn't need a man. You telling me that's a role model?

ATEAST SHE DIDN"T STOP DATING BROTHERS TO FIND A WHITE BOY OR CONTINUOUSLY FUCK WHITEBOYS IN MOIES BECAUSE THE GAVE HER AN OSCAR. sound familiar, we never really go at Halli but Oprah always gets scrutinized we all plagued by the same games as the "Willie Lynch Letter"

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:23:00 GMT

@ JAH-MALE THE 1

Keep in mind Halli is bi-racial..I think that kind of gives her the right to play both sides of the fence..Oprah is scrutinized bc she always opening up her mouth..I haven't heard Halli really say shit about nothing..She don't choose sides or put anyone down..Oprah of all people should know better coming from the poverty and the backwoods of the Sip

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DeadShot — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:22:54 GMT

Polow Da Don is speaking that real stuff. It is a shame that our women are attacted to things like money and power even if it is gotten through illegal means (i.e. dope dealing). White women usually don't roll like that. A black woman would rather date someone with money that deals drugs than date a guy attending college that doesn't have a lot of money. The sisters don't think long term. They think short term. The black women is the greatest thing on earth for the black man. Black women hold the key to the survival of the black race. If more black women embrace black men and encourage them to do big things, our race would be so much better.

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Presidential — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:33:49 GMT

@HERHOP....you're blowin' things out of proportion baby. You're taking everything that's being said and putting it in worst case scenario terms. I can tell you're passionate, but just try and detach your passion from what you're reading and look at it again. No one in here is saying they don't support the sistahs. It's a dialogue.....a very complex one where there are multiple answers and problems. It's not as simple as brothas not supporting sistahs or sistahs being to blame. No blame is being given. It's just that one solution lies with our women. It's not too much to ask our women to lead our next generations to a better understanding of each other is it? Our women are raising our future generations as we speak anyway. Don't turn yourself off to this dialogue HERHOP. I know it hurts, but it's good for us babygirl! It's good for our future children when we talk about the not so enjoyable stuff.

Truly,
Presidential

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Polar Bear Grizz — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:34:55 GMT

@HERHOP

Woah! I don't think the brothers are talking about all black women just those no good women that blame the black man for everything. It seems as those women that hate on us get all the press. All we hear is there is a shortage of good black men an the put out some statistics up backing their claim. Yet, I look out at my hood and see all these triflin women running around talkin how they want a baller and how ni***rs aint shyt. I see how these women accepting the ill behavior from our black men perpetuate the problem. I think all the dudes on the blog love black women but want yall to speak up on the fact that there are a lot of women that aint about nuthin. In fact they do their best to put it all on the black man.

Stay up sista!

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QUIETASS_KEPT — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:49:42 GMT

If we as a people (African-American), got away from killing the messenger & really took a look @ the message, we'd be soo much farther. Whether or not I agree with my brother, line for line, is of no relevance, what IS revelant is that alot of the issues that he is discussing DO infact exist. We do need to read more, Black men do need to be the Leaders of our household, communities, etc..We as women do need to fall back & play our position..My parents have been married for over 36 yrs., and in their union, I learned the role of a WOMEN, a LADY, a WIFE and a MOTHER.
Because there are so many broken homes, my young sister's and brother's have systemically been broken and confused. I applaud any female that is out there on her grind doing whatevers necessary to nurture and provide for herself, but originally that was not our role. Read up our who we are as a people, where we come from, what we've endured as a people, and you'll learn soooo much about who you are.
I have traveled abroad, & it's very hurtful, but true..NO one respects the African-American. Even Africans..while it's true alot of injustices were and continue to be done to us, @ some point WE have to look in the mirror, & realize that We cannot change the past, BUT we are much too powerful and persistant to allow someone else to control our futures..

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J-Byrd — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:49:22 GMT

I think tha man makes a good point. Truth be told that it does take our black women to be able to get us on point, and thats just what that is.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:50:05 GMT

@ HERHOP

We do love our sisters and if the only thing you hear is what you said that's because you knit picking and aren't paying attention to everything being said..Show me where so many of your brotha's said that y'all can't love us the way a white woman can? You should be proud to be called the backbone of our race..It's a reason we use the term "Mother Earth" and it's a reason the Egyptians thought so highly of Cleopatra ,Nefertari, and Nefertiti. You have to understand that a lot of the things black men do to put themselves in jeopardy of being taken to jails is for our women..You also have to understand the reason black kids aren't being raised properly is because black women are laying down with the wrong kind of guys for the wrong reasons instead of finding a guy with some business about themselves..It's the man fault as well but wait and don't be so quick to open up your legs for any ni99a passing you and you'll meet a man worthy of being the father of your kids and your husband...Women still have slave mentalities pertaining to certain shit and don't know it..Think about the times when y'all told the darker complexioned man he wasn't good enough for you or his African hair to nappy to be the father of your children..If y'all could take those days back i'm sure you would ..Men have always conformed to what the women want...That much haven't changed..If black women weren't so materialistic as a whole then men wouldn't be the way we are..It's a such thing as Cause and Effect..One don't happen without the other..Y'all do control things so if you want change tell sisters to start loving brothas for them and not what they have in the bank...

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JayeJaye — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:58:28 GMT

Honestly, I feel sorry for the Black Woman.

She indeed has it rough. She's supposed to be strong, teach, learn, listen, respect, appreciate... But in all honesty, it would be a LOT easier if the black man did all of those things as well. THEN, (going back to Polow's first interview) women wouldn't be so negative towards being "submissive," because her man would not be physically or emotionally abusive to her. He would appreciate her, respect her & definately honor her especially when it's due.

But going back to what I said earlier, I do not "feel sorry" for her because she has SO MUCH weighing on her, but because she doesn't seem to know it.

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scal — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:09:27 GMT

I'm not usually on this site but a friend told me I had to read what this BOY said about Black women. I agree with him about black people in whole yes we do need to get our shit together no doubt about that. But what hurt me the most is when dude was saying all the negative things about black women now since he wants to bring up the issue of of black women being submissve to our HUSBANDS then we need the black man to Know how to be the head of the house! It goes both ways. You can't have one with out the other. It's to many black men running away from there responsiblities as so you can't just can't blame black women for the up rising of the single parent homes. And something else that bothered me about this article he made the statement that his mother grew up in Japan so she knew how to run there family what does that have to do with anything. I'm so sick of our men always wanting to blame others if it's not the white man it's the black women maybe black man need to look at themselves and see what the probem is! Have a blessed day everyone. P.S. PRESIDENTIAL with the yella girl with her ass out on the pic. learn some respect that looks awful!

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Slash — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:16:09 GMT

Now I've had some disagreements of opinion when it comes to Oprah's outlook on hip hop but for him to say she's a bad example of a role model because she didn't have a man does indeed sound very ignorant. She's not powerful because she didn't have a man, she's powerful because she persistently and consistently worked her ass off to achieve her level of success.

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Adoreher — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:39:03 GMT

Polow and others If u r made to read what WHITE authors put out there about Black folks, you will develop the same opinions that WHITE folks have about black people. YES they have made us to think that we are worthless and for us women, what Polow is saying does not in any way make it easier. So for Black women we feel that we have something to prove and we wont back down. Not only does the bible say God, men, Women, child, it also says whoever findeth a wife finds a good thing. So does a wife have to be submissive to a man with Polow's views of her?? NO, Black women can be Submissive but we'd rather be heard, and its b/c of men like Polow that men feel like they can do and say what they want to us. Oprah is an excellent Role model, and a man is not needed to be successful or powerful. BTW: Polows mother is japanese so Polow or his mother cannot understand what it is for a black women. So those of us who have black mothers who are strong and made it with and without husbands by their side, keep oin going and dont let one brother who thinks that he is soo smart bring down your worth. Black women we are Worth way more than what people think. PEACE ya'll

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boukstar — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:44:23 GMT

Wow! fictional or not, you don't need a Willie Lynch letter to tell you how America works. We as black people were enslaved for financial gain. During slavery, American Businessmen and the country as a whole got rich and became the richest and most prominent country on the planet. The basis for slavery, capitalism if you will ,is exploitation, so the next best thing to free labor is cheap labor, no matter who it is. And how do you gain cheap labor? From a large uneducated mass.

We as BLACK PEOPLE do need to wake up and realize what has been done to us is still continuing. Yes we have to take responsibility for our actions, but don't ever let off the hook a government that continues murder, incarcerate, and miseducate our people so it can continue to exploit us for financial gain. Katrina should have told us something, Sean Bell should have showed us something, and lets not wait for Kenneth Foster to be another victim. Don't forget your history, Learn your lessons.

For those that want other reading options try...

colorlines.com
thenation.com
scehememag.com
nytimes.com

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:45:15 GMT

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Presidential — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:46:37 GMT

@GawgaBwoy770.......CHUUUUUUUUCH!!!! I don't always agree with your points man, but I don't say nothin' cause it ain't at me, but I have to give you props on that last posting. That shit was real right there.

Truly,
Presidential

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fizzroy — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:48:03 GMT

@everybody

you a bunch of uncle tom faggot niggas.if i knew this nigga we would have to shoot the five.this is a bitch ass sell out nigga i hope suge run in to this nigga and beat his ass.dont u dumb ass niggas know the shit black women go through in this country.black women are what keep you bitch ass niggas alive.dont you know that all through slavery black women were the buffer between black men and the slave master she was raped and degraded to substain the race.word is born if i see this nigga in atl he going to have a problem.iam sorry sisters for these faggot ass niggas.there's still real men fighting for you this nigga got me mad as hell and these faggot ass niggas on here co signing this bullshit.dont you dumb ass niggas know he dissing your mothers grandmothers sisters and daughters.like malcolm x said you niggas need to be lynched you sellout faggots.let me stop saying faggots cause calling you that is a disrespect to them.cause they stick together. you bitch ass niggas need to do some soul searching everything that is wrong with black women is our fault any way dickhead.the prophet is the head of the man and the man is the head of the women and she the head of the child you dumb ass toms what the fuck is your mother purple.you niggas disgust me.all these black women raising black kids alone and this is how you repay them.motherfuckers make a nigga ashame to be black

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oneprettyblackcat — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:51:08 GMT

King High Pimpn u can't possibly have a job cuz u be commentin' all times of the day and u be talkin about some bull shit

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Jory201 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:52:58 GMT

Great interview with great points indeed. First off, I'm an educated black man with my own business. I own many books on race and I'm very familiar with the "Willie Lynch Letter". The biggest difference with Polo is that his mom is NOT black. That explains so much. It's so clear to me now cause I couldn't figure out why would he make those statements to begin with even if they were true to a degree. I personally had a phase in MY life where I dated tons of Asian women. I can tell you that in the household they are taught to live, eat, and breathe their husbands. They wait on them hand and foot for anything. So as much as he says that he's black he's not. He's definitely right about how some black women only date D boys but he's not shedding light on how most white women only date black guys because we are different from the norm. They date us when we make it in life. When we don't have shit, they don't even look at us like that. It's the same thing with SOME black women BUT no one can tell me that a GOOD black woman won't stand by her man in tough times. They have bitches and hoes of all colors. I say leave the hoes alone and get yourself a GOOD woman period. Polo was right about alot of things. But at the end of the day, he's not speaking from a perspective of a true BLACK family. If his mom was black, he would've thought twice about those statements. I think it's all about preference. Women of different races and cultures are raised differently as it relates to relationships. Some are taught to worship their men. It just so happens that BLACK women are taught to bear some of the burden of maintaining an orderly household. That doesn't mean they are not submissive. It just means that right now, WE as black men are fucking up and our women don't trust us completely. WE aren't taking care of business. If you are taking care of business your woman has to respect you. If she doesn't, get rid of her quick and don't look back. That's the definition of a selfish female and it'll always be that way. Believe me, I know. My girlfriend and soon to be wife next year is from the Bahamas but she's very much a sister. She's been in pageants her whole life and she's very humble. She's independent and submissive. Is that only a trait of black women in other countries? I think not. The Bahamas were enslaved by Great Britain for centuries. You know what they did? Fought back and now, the country is run by blacks for blacks. African Americans can learn alot from that. WE will never run this country BUT we can have more influence if we handle our business and stop being so lazy. We need to become more unified. They can't stop us if we do that. I think that if WE as black men were doing more to better ourselves, our women would trust us more. We are so blind to see that even though we fuck up, they still want us. You don't see them running to white men now do you? They are giving us every opportunity to make something happen whatever that may be. They want stability just like every other woman. It doesn't mean you have to be the richest guy. Just take care of your business at all times. It comes down to communication and understanding with OUR women. Some brothers think that's working too hard. That's why we stray away. I, personally have been with women of all cultures and I can tell you this, the BLACK women are the most complex species on the planet. That what makes them so great. If you treat them right, they are down for life. Being with other races made me appreciate BLACK women so much more than before. Unlike Polo, MY mom is a sister so I'll stay with my sisters. JSTEED...I'M OUT!!!

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Kennyredd — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:00:37 GMT

it all goes back to the most talked about topic w rich, or well off black people...we get a bankroll,as a whole, and buy phukin' jewelry,clothes,cars, and make clubs famous. while the white man u see w a pair of loafers on, old ass polo t, and jeans got mutual funds and some mo' thangs....and yeah, as a whole, we read...XXL,SOURCE,ASIS....instead of Inc.,BE....nonetheless, til these assholes can find a beter financial way to enjoy the fruits of there labor, we will remain looking stupid....think about it...we go to the club and drink the highest shit in there...while the white club goers could care less about Patron, Goose, or Remy...give them a club w Jim Bean, Jack D and Coors and Miller Lite..they'll come consistantly and drink the hell out of all of it...imagine all these movie stars and athletes having scholarships to someone who can operate a program on a computer....or gv a great speach in front of a particular crowd...we react off money..so y not put that toward something helpful to the community....

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:01:29 GMT

If every Black woman got together and said, "We're not gonna date guys unless they have PhDs. We're not gonna date guys unless they have a Master’s [degree].” Guess what? In due time, n****s will stop selling dope and they'll start going to college.

Would they really?

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dade_made — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:02:00 GMT

bill cossby reincarnated...

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:06:50 GMT

"all these black women raising black kids alone and this is how you repay them"...
shame

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PNye — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:12:24 GMT

PREACH JORY!!!! Now that's some truth if I ever heard it!

Fizzroy, I think I agree with you on this one. It was crass, but I think I get your point... right on.

Once he stated that his mom was from Japan I stopped reading. There was no point. Of what I did read, he made some very valid points, and I'm with that. You can't put white women on a pedistal (in a round about joking way) and then want to talk to me about how Black women are supposed to behave when you didn't even grow up in a household with a Black woman! Please, the Black women thing I'll pass, all other valid points taken.

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oneprettyblackcat — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:13:11 GMT

SEE THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IF U R A REAL MAN U KNOW HOW TO BE YOURSELF WHEN THE CHIPS ARE DOWN OR UP. MONEY SHOULD NOT DEFINE U AT ALL

POLOW THE DON "I feel like status and money allows you to be who you really are."

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:25:35 GMT

lmao @ dade_made..

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:27:07 GMT

oneprettyblackcat said:
King High Pimpn u can't possibly have a job cuz u be commentin' all times of the day and u be talkin about some bull shit

( you lost me Boo, Sorry Burger king don't have imternet so you can comment as much as I do. Have you Ever Heard of wireless notebook? guess not, Wish I had A iphone,,I'd comment twice az much.

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SeanPapi — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:27:11 GMT

2 for 2.... both interviews real, insightful & thought-provoking. Esp. since he brought clarity to his previous words instead of retracting any statemts.

@GawgaBwoy770:

Men have always conformed to what the women want...That much haven't changed..If black women weren't so materialistic as a whole then men wouldn't be the way we are..It's a such thing as Cause and Effect..One don't happen without the other..Y'all do control things so if you want change tell sisters to start loving brothas for them and not what they have in the bank...

Damn, kinfolk! Was just passing the same barbershop politics last wkend... I hold our women in higher regard b/c they have the power to inspire change. Force a brother to step his game up instead of compromising certain standards (letting some shit slide). The minute women stop being impressed by a dude's gear, jewels, ridinig shotgun in HIS car, make him pull is pants up & approach you like he was raised right and cats will be in the mirror practicing!! Financial stability is one thing, but if that's all he's bringing to the table, what does that say about her? Even in the music... turn a deaf ear to alota ig'nant shit being played & watch how quick "Bitch, Get in my Car" (50) turn into "Real Women" (UGK) & "Hot Thang" (Talib Kweli --> look beyond the title & listen to rhe song, trust)

Black folk: Books aren't that heavy... pick some up

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:29:07 GMT

@ ak8032704

How much of the blame goes on the women for choosing the men they do? Like I said..At the end of the day the decision is yours..I know a lot of trifling ass women that don't take care of their kids..It's easy to deal with them type but if they ain't taking care of the ones they got why would I put myself in a position to be the next baby daddy? Exactly, but on the flip side it's plenty of women that will get pregnant on purpose by deadbeat @ss ni99az just to try and keep them around..When you substitute looks for personality and money over your well being you are asking for what you get and that works both ways....Women have to leave the materialistic shit alone and focus on what makes a good man and when they get that good man don't talk about how boring he is or how he can't hit it like the thug that you were dealing with..Teach that ni99a the right way to love you and have patience with him..If you want a square and a square life you have to take all that comes along with it..I can speak on it like that bc I have been that side ni99a and i've heard some of the complaints of women that had the squares...

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PBC_ALLDAY_561 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:28:51 GMT

ell yuh dawg this man spittin knowledge on us. Realest shit i seen in a mintue on the site, black women question everything, dont allow the man to take his role the way god wanted it, yall complain bout raisin da kid alone, shit its almost liek yall want it like that. Give yo baby daddy sum room and sum comfort and peace inside da home and he mite stay...and da dope we sell...yall take that money on the spot to get yall hair did and shoes on point so dont act like yall low on money ask for it...black women disgust me other then my moms...ima marry a chico woman skr8 up

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fizzroy — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:33:04 GMT

@everybody

that half black shit is bullshit my pops black my moms aint i came up in harlem i know what time it is iam 100% nigga.i know what being black is about i bet if he came up in my hood he wouldn't say no dumb shit like that if he did he wouldn't again and depending on who he said it in front of he probaly wouldn't say shit again.niggas dont play that tom shit uptown.

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the_dboy417 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:35:03 GMT

@Fizzroy, Suge fucks with Paris Hilton, who has been caught on tape callin blacks niggers.

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miss mae — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:41:08 GMT

You are a truly sad for a black man...there is a big difference in being submissive and being a fool....you get as good as you give in a relationship. GROW THE ____ UP!!!

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katttdaddy2 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:44:29 GMT

To all the haterz .... (and there numbers are many)

If you disagree with him, or can't see the incedible, powerful, and logical statements that this man is making, then black folks as a whole is truly lost.

We don't need Al and Jesse anymore. We need people like Bill Cosby and Plow da Don ! (nuff respect)

If it was me, I woulda pissed yall off way more.

Black women: For all of you that call yourselves "offended", to you I say "N**** pleez" !

Stereotypes: Not true for all people of a particular group, BUT TOO TRUE FOR TOO GAWD'AM MANYOF US ! SO STOP WITH THIS CRAP OF "HE TALKIN ABOUT ALL OF US" CR@PP !

Stop being so gawd'am defensive, and take the wisdom he speaks to heart and apply it to yourself. Stop walkin around with the attitude that n****s ain't $hy#e, Even though I will admit, I know too gawd'am many of us ain't !

Materialism, mysogyny, and outright haterade are our biggest issues right now.

And yes, I'm sorry black men are running away from you in droves, for women of other races (take your pic) !

My advice: Lose the chip on your shoulder along with the stereotypical attitude, be more open-minded and less materialistic. Change your values. Value character over street cred.

And hell yes, it's on your shoulders ! Stop raising these boys by yourselves. You see what happens when these lil n****s grow up !

Stop having sex (unprotected) and getting pregnant and having babies out of wedlock with n****s that don't give a damn about you or your kid, and them turn around and be mad and blame him when he leaves yo @$$ for the next peice !

katttdaddy2

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:54:26 GMT

Why are black woman to blame for the problems in the black community, if the black man is to be the head?!? No female is stopping a man from being a man. Or vice versa. Black men should strive for better themselves and stop placing so much responsibility on the next person. You too, black men, can get have a career, get an education, and provide for your family. If all you see outside your window is "triffling and scandalous" black women, than you should be able minded and bodied enough to change your surroundings. Everyone can stand to improve themselves,not just black woman.

And why is it everytime someone has a difference in oppinion they have to be "mad" or a "niggah or bitch"-that's just silly

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fizzroy — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:55:55 GMT

oh okay

i see whats going on these niggas defending this shit is the corny niggas the sistas wasnt feeling.brother you gotta have some style for the sistas it aint a money thing its a real nigga thing.see my nigga i got the style these niggas aint do yet it'll take a nigga a hundred years to copy my style faggot.what sista wanted be with a chump? none i know these niggas want her to be the man.you niggas is funny cocksukers.

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Polar Bear Grizz — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:59:35 GMT

@ Fizzroy

STFU! What you think some chick is gonna give you some ass of sumthin for your wac post. Don't try to front like bytches don't do wrong. They wouldn't stand up for your punk ass. Pump your brakes.

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fizzroy — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:59:26 GMT

these niggas mad cause a sista dont want to be with a broke ass nigga.u niggas is fools

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Im a g in my dcs — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:00:15 GMT

I personally think he never said anything to affend black women. Polow the Don is ahead of his time. He is talkin about stuff that a lot of people have thought, but don't have the balls or exposure to say. I'm 18 and if some boring old man in a suit was talking about these same problems, a young audience would tune it out. We need role models in entertainment because a lot of kids just don't have them in their lives. The only way we are going to listen is if someone who actually has the attention of black people ( somebody "cool" ) says it. If we don't think there is a problem, than how can we solve it? Its just like an addiction, the first step is realizing, and admitting there is a problem. If you listen to Rich boy's song "Lets go get this paper" (produced by Polow da don), they bring a lot of real shyt to your attention. The only way people are going to start realizing changes need to be made are if famous people step up, and speak on how they feel about issues. I can respect Polow and David Banner for stepping up. Black women are great women, and we all know that. Black women being non submissive is true, but not a bad thing. If you don't have a father figure as a young black male, then the next best thing is a strong women. Black women are strong because they have to be. In the future we will look back on some of the things going on in our society and say why didn't we think of this sooner. We went from having people who fought for slavery, to civil rights activist, to black panthers, to what? When the new group steps up, we will be a lot better off. The only people with the money, exposure, leadership, and star power to have people follow them are our entertainers and athletes. Keep stepping up to the plate Polow.

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Lee Boi — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:02:18 GMT

I think the things he said need to be talked about. And someone like him or other artist need to start stepping out of the box and start speaking on subjects like this.

I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, its still interesting. I think Black men and women need to change our attitudes toward each other altogether. We all talk about "keeping it real" how about keeping it real with yourself.

Men need to stop making excuses for the mistakes we make. If you 25 and still at home and haven't had a steady job that's you coming up short. Oh you like thugs and street dudes....yeah until he puts his hands on you then he's a no good women beatin ni**a.....oh your cable bill got paid but you paid for it with a black eye...

We all need to set higher standards for each other and for yourself. And since we tend to listen to what entertainers have to say its about time someone started speaking on social issues between black men and woment instead of the usual BS we get from artist these days.

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Lee Boi — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:02:19 GMT

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DC CA$HVILLE — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:07:47 GMT

That was real talk to the fulliest. People shouldn't be offended by his comments. Use that interview and response as motivation to be successful African Americans. He was also dead on about Africans laughing at African Americans. In my three years of college, i've heard so many Africans at my school say that were too lazy and brainwash. Whether it's us not going to school to make A's, not respecting are elders, or letting T.V dictate how we live. Anybody got a problem with what he said needs to read the "Willie Lynch Letter" more than once.

I wonder if Polow would say this in Oprah and Mo'nique's face?

Peace and more hair grease,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:10:36 GMT

katttdaddy2 said:
Stop having sex (unprotected) and getting pregnant and having babies out of wedlock with n****s that don't give a damn about you or your kid, and them turn around and be mad and blame him when he leaves yo @$$ for the next peice !

(True Dat,, same thing my mama told my sister when she got pregnant,, men think with there Dyck,, when have the power and control over all that. No Glove No love etc

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:14:30 GMT

fizzroy said:
these niggas mad cause a sista dont want to be with a broke ass nigga.u niggas is fools

(you speaking from Experince I see)

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DC CA$HVILLE — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:15:16 GMT

Any women who get a kick out of watching Flavor of Love and I Love New York are the females that Polow Da Don is talking about. Stop going for the thug prince and stop leaving the real men behind. Like someone on this site said "REAL N****S MOVE IN SILENCE AND DON'T NEED TO SHOW OFF WHAT THEY HAVE.

Peace and more hair grease,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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fizzroy — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:18:59 GMT

@polar bear

what the fuck you talking about you weirdo.nigga iam from harlem i be in atl what the fuck iam a be doing on line looking for girls for.you fucking creep iamm a fucking don nigga i dont chase after girls nigga i choose, chump you niggas online are fucking weirdos.i ain't conversating with you dickhead alot of you niggas is beneath me.if you niggas dont like what i say just sit there like the sucka you are and be mad.clown iam gone

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HoodProphet — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:23:02 GMT

I would like to thank Polow da Don for bringing up the subject it needs to be discussed.

But us as Black Men will be extremely hypocritical if we agree with how the Black Woman is flawed but at the same time not mention how we ourselves influence it. Its a domino effect between the Black male and female. Almost like a ping pong match. Understanding, then solution-oriented communication will solve this problem.

I hope Polow's purpose of highlightening the black womans flaws is truly to spark awareness on both sides (male and female), and not just to vent about some bad relations he might've had in the past with Black Women (Im debate it).

HIP HOP IS DEAD naw homie Nas its much deeper than that
THE BLACK MAN/WOMAN IS DEAD!! (if I'm a Lyer on that then dont just exist in the dark, come to the light. Or keep being represented by these sorry examples out here that we call leaders!)

-HP (Hate it or Love it)

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:30:33 GMT

This something we haven't even brought up...How many sista's walking around with blood on their hands bc they played one brotha against the next?? One ni99a locked up for life and the other dead...This is a problem that brothas deal with no matter there occupation or status is in life..I don't want to hear that bs about it don't happen where i'm from or it's a project or hood thing...That's a problem all the way across the board in every city and state..

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:39:58 GMT

Really and black woman don't deal with the same strife? Every hardship you point out that can be applied to black males and females, so .... why place all the blame on the woman, when the man is suppose to be a man?

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Presidential — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:44:45 GMT

@fizzroy....okay, now that you've completely insulted Polo's opinion on what can be done to strengthen the bond of black woman and men to create more upstanding and respected families in America......what do you think we should do?

@ak8032704.....Are you really seeing his point that black women are the center of Black America's universe? And that right now, they have the ability to change our course? Or are you just seeing it as an attack against sista's because the nature of his point is critical? How can any black woman not take pride in what he just said for the most part? He's saying that black women guide the future of black people with what they see as being important in a black male. He's not faulting black women, he's saying that sista's have the power to initiate that change because everything brotha's do revolves around Y'ALL. It's not an insult and it's not blame....it's a challenge to help make a positive change. Not saying brotha's can't change themselves, but if that brotha' doesn't fit the current idea of what sistas see as the desirable black man....he's gonna' go outside his race. The change should start with our women that we base our entire lives trying to impress and please.

Truly,
Presidential

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:46:32 GMT

Look if you have so many issues with black woman and you aren't doing anything to improve (bettering yourself-you work for better you get better) the situation but run your mouth instead of making moves, TA-AH! Go get your white woman, etc... Who would really care, but don't down a black WOMAN if you've never had one. Stop dating girls.

In turn, black woman should also stop limiting themselves to black men. Explore ladies...

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Patillac — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:51:42 GMT

Damn Polow is makin some sense....

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JazzyAzz — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:53:21 GMT

Man my uncle touch on the same stuff last summer, matter of fact. He said that there was a man in u.s gov , that his job was to think of things to keep black people down. At the time I thought that he had lost his ever-lovin mind, untill I read the Willie Lynch Letters, Not only did I not believe him but, the proof
is in the pudding look at todays hot topics not only in Black Culture, But American Culture as a whole

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:55:33 GMT

"he's saying that sista's have the power to initiate that change because everything brotha's do revolves around Y'ALL. It's not an insult and it's not blame....it's a challenge to help make a positive change."

I understand that. Wonderful. Black woman been working at that for years. And that's how it should have come across yesterday. The "do over" is much improved. But while black woman are improving themselves,why don't black men be MEN and challenge themselves??

Again, Black men should strive for better themselves and stop placing so much responsibility on the next person.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:01:27 GMT

@ ak8032704

That's exactly the bullshit Polow is talking about and I don't put my hands on a woman but if you were my baby mother and you said some shit like that around my daughter i'd lay hands on you..That's some trifling and ignorant shit to say...I have a black woman but that don't mean the truth ain't the truth overall..

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MaliceDaGoon — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:04:03 GMT

I've been with sistaz my whole life and they don't know how to act. The lessons show and prove that their behavior is swift and changeable like the weather. Most don't not know what they want in a man, more so themselves. I just recently broke up with the mother of my 1yr old because of her unhealthy behavior and attitude. We broke up 2 other times in two other states. I currently reside in Cali and before I allowed her to move in with me I explained that I was not going to deal with her behavior, after the first week in Cali she threw my son on the floor

Life is too short to deal with anyone who is constantly trying to supress your positive energy. I'm tired of trying to save these women. The only women i'm concerned with is my 3 beautiful daughters so I can teach them to have meaningful relationships with a black man without all of the emotional baggage they bring.

Much love to Polow for exposing the real on this issue. Out here in Cali Asian,White and Hispanic women love brothers. Hell after 2 failed marriages i'm ready to explore my options.

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spaceagediva — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:08:14 GMT

I just had to comment on this topic!!! Polow or whatever his name is is right to a level but not all the way. And first off, all even my comments are our opinion. Like Mr. Don said it goes back to our history....and those white woman....you still a nigger!! They raped black men also! Because our Black MEN are Kings and they know that, black men and women are made in the likeness of GOD....read your history.....But in talking about submissive...that goes both ways read 2 Timothy 3 chapter! In Interracial relationships...yeah, love sees no color but in any relationship you must RELATE!!!! I dont know of any white women picking cotton and slave master coming in the fields raping and abusing them!!! But also, there is a book called, From Niggas to Gods" check it out! Like Polow or whatever his name is said about Willie Lynch, yeah that has an "elementary" truth to it because that mentality is just now in modern times....and with that said...black men never really could be black men coming up here in America every since the slaves ships touched down. Black men didn't know nothing about calling BLACK women bitches and hoes until, they heard and saw the white man calling the black man's woman bitches and hoes. As a matter of fact...white men bitched the black man back then, the slave masters dared for the black man to defend his woman. As a matter of fact the black man did nothing but watch and learned this wicked man ways. Ask you grandparents where the word mutherfucker comes from? Historical fucker of all mothers.... Please read From Niggas to Gods...Cause if a black woman is a bitch then that makes you a son of a bitch!!! feel me...... I personally am a single woman by choice, cause I know better, and just because its 2007 and physical slavery ended over a 100 years ago.....2007 8 out of 10 black people would either been locked up, on probation, house arrest, or some kind of supervision, and from who? think about it....... the same white woman you fucking, is she going to be the one with you when then folks come? Is she the same woman that wanted your broke ass? Come on like Polow said we don't read, then why is the south still heavy segregated in public schools? I personally feel that yeah we are our own worst enemy, especially if we cannot up lift one another. Instead of when we get a couple dollars and a name, we never came from nothing, we were already self made. Get Real. Now that's REAL TALK....Free your mind and yo ass will follow! From Niggas to GODS! Parts one and Two. Stay Up! Black People! No doubt!

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:10:15 GMT

And black woman don't try to please and impress black men? come on? Talk about being submissive. They cater to black men so much that it can be stupifying(haha). Look at how black men allow them to be portrayed in the media(ie music videos). And the names they use to refer to those they are suppose to love. How many times have you seen a black man degrading himself by poppin his @ss or jiggling his nuts to appeal to the black female audience. Or better yet, the children they birth into fatherless homes and raise for 18years. While it's okay for the father not to take care of his child because,"She tricked him" haha.

But it's the woman's responsibility to know better. Be the smarter of the two but the lesser, not the equal?

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:12:45 GMT

haha @ just a "baby mother" .. not something I strive to be, being a wife would be first..

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Presidential — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:12:53 GMT

@ak8032704....that's a good point for self improvement, but that's a whole notha' topic. We're talking about black women and black men's relationship with each other and the effects we have on each other. Sure, it's great for everyone to improve themselves and have goals and all that, but I think that's not really the topic. That subject runs off into parenting, education, and environment.

Truly,
Presidential

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:17:37 GMT

Why is it so ignorate to encourage black women to explore their options to love colorless?

Oh,no. Let me hush, before another black MAN tells me how he "would" put his hands on me. You went way across the line with that one.

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:20:00 GMT

how is self improvement in education, career, and family not a improvement to our relationships with each other..

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Bubba Fresh — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:20:30 GMT

Dude kept refering to the Willie Lynch Story...I feel every black american needs to read that shit....Niggaz should post dat shit everywhere..becuz itz some crazy shit...I dont like dude but some of the shit he said was real talk..How blackz are livin nowadayz was all planned hundreds of yrs ago..I said this shit in my last post...N the truth hurts...Many young blackz are stupid n ignorant....beatin up eachotha ova a couple crack rockz..maybe they talked bad about u...Itz like da world haz gone mad...now itz jus so fukkin cool to be gangsta...that mofuckaz iz not even real wit themselves anymore....Whoz to blame...You can place the blame on anything...but wat da fuk does blaming solve...We need a solution...And itz scary becuz i really dont think there iz one..Willie Lynch waz a fukkin genuis...It will take us anotha hundred yrs to dig ourselves out of yet another hole...How da hell are we supposed to advance when we dont give a fuck about eachotha...If we dont love one anotha..u really think da white man a give a fuk about us...yea right....Im young im only 21...n ima telll u straight up...ima smart dude...i got good gradez went to college n fukked up...I waz tryin to be a drug deala..out for da fast buckz...i can only blame myself, but mofucakz need to stop frontin like hip-hop doesnt influence our culture...Yea itz makin niggaz rich, but wat da fuk is they doin wit da money...they goin ovaseaz n partyin wit da crackaz...niggaz get rich n instead of helpin da nxt man..they jus gon flash da shit n dude face n try to steal hiz bitch..niggaz aint shit lmao...but on some real talk...until we start carin for one anotha n stop valuin the root of all evil...money...ova life...we gon continue to live n thiz fukked up state that we end...Itz alot of well to do blackz in america..but niggaz n da hood dont kno that...why should they give a fuk when they starvin...n as far i rapperz sayin that when they talk about drugz they jus representin the struggle..thatz bullshit cuz these bitch ass niggaz be talkin like they still hustlin crack even tho they fukkin rich...nowadayz niggaz sell drugz b/c they think itz da cool fukkin thing to do...jus thinkin bout out fukked up state iz gettin me mad...i dont know how da fukk i can help...im jus a young black man tryin to get rich...by any meanz necessary???

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:20:45 GMT

@ ak8032704

Look don't you understand it's a lot of women laying down with ni99az they shouldn't for all the wrong reasons...They know what kind of ni99a they dealing with and still choose to stay..If you ignorant enough to let a ni99a knock you up that ain't no good and you have a lil boy and don't do nothing but bad mouth his father when you didn't have to open your legs in the first place, what effects do you think that will have on the lil boy??What about the women that keep men in and out they cribs and lil boy's see this their whole lives? They in turn do the same thing once their grown bc their mother didn't teach them the respect a man should have for their mother..That's men fault too, huh??

The cycle starts with a woman having kids by no good men, which she knew from the jump...Her fault

The boy grows up with no father and different men substitute as his father--Her fault

With the substitutions the boy sees the lack of respect these men have for their mother--Her fault

The boy thinks it's okay for him to come in and out of women lives bc that's how the men in his mother life was--Her fault

The boy turns into a man and the cycle starts again--Her fault

How to avoid all of this and end the cycle? Be patient when choosing your mate and don't worry about looks and money as much personality, trust, loyalty and love...

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A.C. from Dallas TEXAS — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:20:55 GMT

Damn, it's going down over here 2day......

what up KHP- u still silly as hell for the burger king comment.

@: oneprettyblackcat
SEE THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IF U R A REAL MAN U KNOW HOW TO BE YOURSELF WHEN THE CHIPS ARE DOWN OR UP. MONEY SHOULD NOT DEFINE U AT ALL

POLOW THE DON "I feel like status and money allows you to be who you really are."

Yeah u got a point but the fact is MONEY talks PERIOD people tend to listen to you when you have money....A bum can have more information than a cat working but no one is going to listen to him cause...he's a bum. As wrong as it is I think he's right on that note...Money lets you be who you are without wooryiing about what someone has to say b/c you already have money. (I think that's why 50 is so cocky) It's funny how people say money aint everything but it aint funny how you cant do nothing without it...so what does that mean???

@ak8032704: U got some real decent comments

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katttdaddy2 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:21:44 GMT

My bad, it ain't just sistas....

@ ak8032704

If you read what I said, I talked about how brothas is sorry too ! (again, not all of us, but too gawd'am many of us)

We value materialism, mysogyn, violence, etc.

We "don't value" education, deffered gratitude, marriage, etc.

And yes, I still say it is indeed on you sistas !

Why ? Because you are the ones that raised all these lil sorry @ss nyggas runnin around here wit no daddies. Yall are the ones that opened your legs to some sorry @s nygga that got you pregnant and left your @ss. Yes, it's starts with yall !

Of course we as brothas should and should have taken responsibility, but again, it starts with yall.

If sistas stopped having sex with ballers, dope boys, and any other brotha of low values and morals, that would eliminate 50% of our problem right there.

So if you wanna save the black race, stop belly-aching talkin' about why should "WE" be the ones to save your black @sses ???

At the same time, nyggas need to just evolve and stop being nyggas. THIS MUST STOP !

Start with yourself, pick up a damn book, read it, get an education, get a job/career, get some property, find a girl, marry her and have kids, raise them mufukkas right, PERIOD !

What is so gawd'am hard ???

p.s. I don't have a problem with disagreement, that's cool. I have a problem with folks who can't accept the fact that all black folks ain
t gonna agree on every damn thing, and it doesn't make those people sellouts ???

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:22:24 GMT

i see your point in some cases presidental, but I can't help but be distracted from agreeing because of your avatar..lol
but I see your point, in. some. cases.

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MaliceDaGoon — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:22:32 GMT

My 15 yr old daughter was sent to me after her mother could no longer discipline her. She stayed in trouble in school and even went to boot camp. Her mother spent her years spewing negativity regarding myself because we were no longer together. Unfortunately things didn't work out and she was sent back home to her mother. If black women truly love us then they have to stop implanting bullshit in our children's brains

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Bubba Fresh — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:24:55 GMT

<---Personally i got to the point where I see how white women view black men...yeah they luv us..but they dont give a fuk about us...they not gon hol u down nigga...fuck white bitches...i only fuck white bitches..they getz no love...!

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:24:59 GMT

Yall? Come again.

Because you are the ones that raised all these lil sorry @ss nyggas runnin around here wit no daddies. Yall are the ones that opened your legs to some sorry @s nygga that got you pregnant and left your @ss. Yes, it's starts with yall !

None of this statement is inclusive to me.

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MaliceDaGoon — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:24:59 GMT

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:26:55 GMT

Black men, please be THERE to teach you child better.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:29:03 GMT

I doubt that since you probably ain't a virgin based off some of the statements you made......If you fucking you going to be what you going to be...Wives don't get made with nutz..Babies are...If marriage follows so be it..I can say I am attempting to try and make it work with her mother and I would've already married her had she had her shit together..So, we do wait on y'all to mature as well..

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Presidential — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:31:16 GMT

@ak8032704.....Uhhhh.....no....black women don't try to please and impress black men at first......what country are you in??? lol Black women will look as good as they can to attract a man, but they ain't runnin' up on brotha's trynta' holla' at them. I'm talkin' about brotha's trying to have the wheels, the chains, the street edge, the baller status for sistas cause sistas are drawn to that right now. All y'all have to do is look good, which isn't nearly as hard as buying all the shit men buy to impress y'all. So that is definitely not the same. And now we're 'allowing' women to be portrayed like hoes in videos? Yeah right....talk about grown up decisions. Those women are the ones "allowing" that to go down. See....one thing I notice about a lot of sistas and women in general is that they don't like to accept any responsibility for negative things. They always try and flip it to make them seem like the victim. Like if a sista' cheats on her man.......it was his fault. Oh so.....sistas want brothas to have big money to get with them......that's the brothas fault too right? Yeah right......

Truly,
Presidential

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:31:41 GMT

Well, I say one thing. Polow did begin a very insightful conversation. One that there should be more of..with each other, not against each other.

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Bubba Fresh — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:33:26 GMT

Polow sayin that black women aint submissive is inaccurate...Look at da shit our black women put up wit...i know personally i been doin my baby mama wrong az fukk...n she still hold me down like a mofucka..black women are the strongest women on the planet...they get constantly lied to..cheated on...etc... like i said i be doin my baby mama wrong n i know i do...itz a fukked up feelin cuz i know i b n the wrong..but for some reason i find a way to justify it...n dont really give a fuck...i waz raised by mostly men had no father figure n my life..momz is 50 n single...i should cherish black woman thats who raised me...but yet i dont givva fuk about them or any otha woman..but yet i do...becuz i couldnt go on w/o femalez most of my friends iz female...i kno itz prolly me jus being youngthat im out hea chazin all these skirtz..but im ready n im constantly trying to evolve into that man that God wantz me to be everyday..

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Bubba Fresh — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:33:52 GMT

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hater hurter — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:35:46 GMT

WAKE UP OR DIE DAMIT. Good interview. Also stop hatin for the sake of are future.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:37:34 GMT

I didn't go across the line with nothing bc like I said if you were my baby mother and you said some trifling ass shit like that around my daughter you'd deserve it..I've never put my hands on a woman for the record and my girl and any other girl I've talked to could vouch for that..As a matter of fact she thought your statement was stupid as fuck as well and that's coming from a woman...I guess the answer too you is for all women to start eating pussy and stop recreating..Your statement was ignorant point blank period and I said I would if you were her, which you aren't bc I don't deal with borderline lesbians...You felt that way before Polow statements..

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ak8032704 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:38:10 GMT

I'm in Africa, using wi-fi...wtf???haha, look i'd love to do this all day, but i have to go to class(yes, suprisingly some of us do go to school and work-*straight face*).
until tomorrow.

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Presidential — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:38:43 GMT

@ak8032704.....I know, I know....my avatar is kind of.....revealing, lol. For the record though....that sista' is a redbone! lol And I love women...especially beautiful black women.....can't blame me for that!

Truly,
Presidential

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katttdaddy2 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:58:58 GMT

@ AK -

Allow me to digress for a moment. It is clear that your hostility towards Polow's (and my) corrective critisism is one of the exact reasons why the hell sistas and brothas can't get it together. You have such a resistance to change or taking responsibility. All I hear from you is "Why do I gotta do X", "Why should I X", "Why don't you say that the brotha's should do X instead of us" and that's not the point.

The point is we should both do X, but don't say "Well if they ain't doin it, then I ain't doin it either".

And yes, I'm indeed telling you and other sistas to step up to the plate.

As a brotha, it's a given for me to do what I'm supposed to do. This goes without saying. We need to check ourselves. You check sistas and I'll check brothas. Let's clean up our own houses first, instead of waiting for the other to clean house.

(And black woman don't try to please and impress black men? come on?

*** Apparently not nearly as good as White, Asian, etc, women do ??? No disrespect, just being honest. If what you said was true, you wouldn't have brothas out here "always" saying how sistas biggest perception problem is attitude. How did this become the perception of black women worldwide ???

Talk about being submissive. They cater to black men so much that it can be stupifying(haha). Look at how black men allow them to be portrayed in the media(ie music videos). And the names they use to refer to those they are suppose to love. How many times have you seen a black man degrading himself by poppin his @ss or jiggling his nuts to appeal to the black female audience. Or better yet, the children they birth into fatherless homes and raise for 18years. While it's okay for the father not to take care of his child because,"She tricked him" haha.)

But it's the woman's responsibility to know better. Be the smarter of the two but the lesser, not the equal?

*** Uh, yes it is. Example: Why are we more protective of our daughters and not our sons ??? Because sons can't get pregnant and bring the kid home. 10 times out of 10, it ends up being the woman problem. This one was a no brainer.

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:59:22 GMT

A.C. from Dallas TEXAS sup fam,,I seen that the state fair in oct. I might not make it this year, bit I will be all thru the D, next month

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BlackPeople 1 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:02:58 GMT

This is why we have to go to white women.

Look how our sisters be frontin on us when we come in the house.

Dayum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFmQAQ9EDeM

Sike.
Sike.

But I thought y'all would enjoy this.

-Black People

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Souchiro — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:10:53 GMT

Damn good article.

But what's sad about this discussion is, the people that need this kind of talk the most aren't reading blogs on the net.

We need to take this convo to the hood in order to do some real good.

Our "Hoods" don't even have computers in their houses, let alone the internet.

But, overall I'm proud and ashamed at the same time. I never had the courage to attack a problem like this.

I do now.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:11:59 GMT

@ BlackPeople 1

Lmao, you a fool...

RIP Rick

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CandyRedd — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:12:00 GMT

Wooowww, Polow is speaking THEE TRUTH, right here. OMG, I love him now! He is so right about everything. I used to be all like "I'm not submitting to no, man, I don't need no man, blah, blah blah..." But I don't think Polow mean "submissive" in a deragatory manner, I think he means, letting a man be a man and letting the woman be the woman. I finally found a guy where I don't mind letting him be the "man" and letting him take the lead. I, as a Black Woman, NEVER thought I would do so but when they're are more Please believe, I am in now way saying that a woman has to obey a man, cause I'll be damned. But if he's a good man and he's my man, I definitely will "follow his lead."

Black men worthy of being treated like men, (i.e. not being kiling folks over rims and chains and someone stepping on your shoe at the club but taking care of your kids, keeping a job, having or in the process of getting an education, reads books, etc) Black women will start treating them accordingly. I don't like the generalizations in his words, though. Me and my people are definitely NOT his idea of a "typical" Black woman. I have two parents, though not together, but I have them. They raised me to speak English the way it was supposed to be spoken and that education is important, hence the reason I'm in college now. I don't act "ghetto" (well, not since high school, lol) and I know how to treat a good man, Black, White, whatever. Anyways, I just wanted to give him mad props, for most everything he said. The moral of the story is, a lot of African-Americans need to wake-up and stop being bamboozled and help the causes of our people. For your those of you who don't know, I have posted the Willie Lynch Letter below for your enlightenment...100...

I thought this was an appropriate time for ALL OF US to re-read, remember and NEVER FORGET, the speech given by Willie Lynch a slave owner who over 300 years ago devised a plan to help keep Black people divided...

Gentlemen:

I greet you here on the bank of the James River in the year of our lord, one thousand seven hundred and twelve. First , I shall thank you, the gentlemen of the of the colony of Virginia, for bringing me here. I am here to help you solve some of your problems with slaves. Your invitation reached me in my modest plantation in the West Indies where I have experimented with some of the newest and still the oldest method for control of slaves. Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious KING JAMES, whose BIBLE we CHERISH, I saw enough to know that our problem is not unique. While Rome used cords or wood as crosses for standing human bodies along the old highways in great numbers, you are here using the tree and the rope on occasion.
I caught the whiff of a dead slave hanging from a tree a couple of miles back. You are losing valuable stock by hangings, you are having uprisings, slaves are running away, your crops are sometimes left in the fields too long for maximum profit, you suffer occasional fires, your animals are killed, Gentleman,...You know what your problems are; I do not need to elaborate. I am not here to enumerate your problems, I am here to introduce you to a method of solving them.
In my bag, I have a fool proof method for controlling your slaves. I guarantee everyone of you that if installed it will control the slaves for at least three hundred years. My method is simple, any member of your family or any OVERSEER can use it.
I have outlined a number of differences among the slaves, and I take these differences and make them bigger. I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies, and it will work throughout the SOUTH. Take this simple little list of differences and think about them. On the top of my list is "AGE" but it is only there because it starts with an "A"; The second is"COLOR" or shade; there is INTELLIGENCE, SIZE, SEX, SIZE OF PLANTATION, ATTITUDE of owner, whether the slaves live in the valley, on a hill, east or west, north, south, have fine or coarse hair, or is tall or short. Now that you have a list of differences, I shall give you an outline of action- but before that, I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION.
The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands.
Don't forget you must pitch the old black VS. the young black males, and the young black male against the old black male. You must use the dark skinned slaves VS. the light skin slaves. You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. You must always have your servants and OVERSEERS distrust all blacks, but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us.
Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control, use them. Never miss an opportunity. My plan is guaranteed, and the good thing about this plan is that if used intensely for one year the slave will remain perpetually distrustful.
-WILLIAM LYNCH-1772

The letter above is one of the major problems of the African-American race today. And with this knowledge we as a race can and will over come. So with this letter still in your mind I ask that you enlighten someone else and send this letter to as many brothers and sisters. We as a race must start somewhere in learning our problems what better place than the document that started the destruction of our MOST POWERFUL RACE!!!

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:13:19 GMT

BlackPeople 1 said:
This is why we have to go to white women.

Look how our sisters be frontin on us when we come in the house.

Dayum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFmQAQ9EDeM
Sike.
Sike.
But I thought y'all would enjoy this.

-Black People

(my nicca,,, that made me laugh so hard,, I was expecting to see a nicca get slap by his chick.. the first verse really made me laugh,,

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GawgaBwoy770 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:16:04 GMT

@ King High Pimpn

I went to the fair the same weekend they had the classic..Me and my homebwoys drove down from Ft. Sill, Oklahoma when we was still in the Army and got smashed that whole weekend...I think as far as sistas go Texas and Georgia in a league all of their own...It's something in the water..

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Souchiro — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:22:10 GMT

@GawgaBwoy770

Yeah I was stationed in Fort Hood, TX. Man I love them Texas girls man.

Down south women are the shit man! So nice and pleasant.

I'm from Detroit. So I was in heaven down there.

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BlackPeople 1 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:27:03 GMT

Gawga and King High I'm glad y'all liked that.

That shit had me rollin'

-Black People

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BayBOI — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:27:27 GMT

HoodProphet said:
I would like to thank Polow da Don for bringing up the subject it needs to be discussed.

But us as Black Men will be extremely hypocritical if we agree with how the Black Woman is flawed but at the same time not mention how we ourselves influence it. Its a domino effect between the Black male and female. Almost like a ping pong match. Understanding, then solution-oriented communication will solve this problem.

I hope Polow's purpose of highlightening the black womans flaws is truly to spark awareness on both sides (male and female), and not just to vent about some bad relations he might've had in the past with Black Women (Im debate it).

-------------------------------------------------------------Cosign!

One thing Black people do is divide really good. South vs. East. East vs. West. Bloods vs Crips. We are very good at not standing together. So matter what is said...if you are a dude not about a Black women off top, or a woman that wants Black men first...you are really a sucka. Transformin a$$ sucka using the blog to beat down each other.

Real ni**as know who they are up on here.

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junegemini — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:39:16 GMT

This was a good read because it touched on a number of things...

I particularly didn't care for this line: "Ladies and gentlemen agreed, n****s and b******s got mad."
I didn't agree with everything he said but I didn't get mad either. That was his opinion and I feel that everybody is entitled to their opinion...but I also feel that there isn't a need to call the people who were mad "niggas and bitches" and in some way I feel that this statement was directed to black people so in some way I feel where HERHOP is coming from and that gives her the right to be pissed the fuck off

I hate seeing females call each other "bitches" and think its cool and I definitely hate it when a man calls a woman a bitch...it is disrespectful and very unnecessary...if you can't call me by my name than don't call me at all...and what gets me is that these women don't say shit when their friends call them bitches but get mad when a man does, i don't see the difference because either way you still called a bitch (off subject but that is how i was feeling at the time)

I have to disagree about Oprah not being a role model. Last time I checked, she had a man (Stedman)...her not being married doesn't make her less of a role model. She worked hard for what she got and is the epitome of black females, in my opinion. Now, I don't agree with how she acted/responded to hip hop, but I do feel as though Oprah is a strong black woman, and that is needed in today's society.

What really got me is the God, men, women, kids order. I agree with God being first, but shouldn't men and women be equal?? Relationships should be 50/50, and there shouldn't be "roles."

I have to agree with this one : "I'm not making Black people look bad, you're making Black people look bad. Black people already look bad."

Polow speaks the truth on this one...we (black people) need to get our shit together and I feel the perfect example of this is the Mike Vick situation...think about it

The whole thing about black woman wanting men with college degrees and shit, I don't think that is whats going to stop the guys from selling drugs and shit, its going to take a lot more than that...hes almost contradicting himself...he says that black people don't read, but a black man would give up hustlin to get some girl??? Can't see that happening homie

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BayBOI — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:40:37 GMT

my bad...a women that DOES NOT want a Black man first.

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:45:18 GMT

GawgaBwoy770 said:
@ King High Pimpn

I went to the fair the same weekend they had the classic..Me and my homebwoys drove down from Ft. Sill, Oklahoma when we was still in the Army and got smashed that whole weekend...I think as far as sistas go Texas and Georgia in a league all of their own...It's something in the water..

(Yea I know,, you from outta state too,, texas women swarm to new meat, I need to go to georgia, I never been there,, I ain't got no family there so aint really had a reason to visit.,,,,,Damn I wish back in the day I would have went to the Freak-nic,,I heard that was off da chain

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King High Pimpn — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:50:20 GMT

BayBOI said:
my bad...a women that DOES NOT want a Black man first.

(Lol) @ a woman that wants Black men first..

Shyt had me think to hard,,when I think I get headaches lol

Sup Boo @junegemini , how ur first week of school?

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:00:07 GMT

@ junegemini

He got the order of things from the Bible and basically every other religious book..That's something you really can't argue..

Oprah is a good role model when it comes to the money making aspect but would you really want your daughter shacking with a man for the rest of their life bc her man won't commit?? I wouldn't want my daughter to do it and I don't approve of it..That's sending the wrong message

Women do control the way we carry ourselves overall..If all women stopped dealing with dope boys taking the easy way out men wouldn't have no other choice but to straighten up or be gay..The thing is there will always be a certain percentage that don't want to work and would prefer the easy route....Women control everything from the music that's being played as well as the fashion for men..When ni99az saw that it was cool to dress up bc that's what women liked, what happened? You had ni99az that never wore a suit trying to wear button ups and square toes..

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junegemini — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:02:45 GMT

@ BlackPeople 1

You are crazy for that video...that is truly a CLASSIC and fits the topic at hand ...lmao

@ King High Pimpin

see somebody trying to get at you up top about commenting every 5 mins...mad cuz they aint got a job where they can do the same NEWS FLASH--the people who are up here regularly are 9 times out of 10 at work when they are on AHH during the day hours...
First week of school always sucks, but it'll get better...what about your kids first week??

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:05:29 GMT

@ King High Pimpn

Yea, I feel you on Freak-nic bc that shit was wild, but do they still have the Kappa beach party in Galveston? I always had lame ni99az stationed with me that really didn't want to go nowhere so that's something I missed out on when I was over that way..

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monsterholloway — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:09:25 GMT

Polow spoke the truth.

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:13:19 GMT

************************************************
Gentlemen:

I greet you here on the bank of the James River in the year of our lord, one thousand seven hundred and twelve. First , I shall thank you, the gentlemen of the of the colony of Virginia, for bringing me here. I am here to help you solve some of your problems with slaves. Your invitation reached me in my modest plantation in the West Indies where I have experimented with some of the newest and still the oldest method for control of slaves. Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious KING JAMES, whose BIBLE we CHERISH, I saw enough to know that our problem is not unique. While Rome used cords or wood as crosses for standing human bodies along the old highways in great numbers, you are here using the tree and the rope on occasion.

I caught the whiff of a dead slave hanging from a tree a couple of miles back. You are losing valuable stock by hangings, you are having uprisings, slaves are running away, your crops are sometimes left in the fields too long for maximum profit, you suffer occasional fires, your animals are killed, Gentleman,...You know what your problems are; I do not need to elaborate. I am not here to enumerate your problems, I am here to introduce you to a method of solving them.

In my bag, I have a fool proof method for controlling your slaves. I guarantee everyone of you that if installed it will control the slaves for at least three hundred years. My method is simple, any member of your family or any OVERSEER can use it.

I have outlined a number of differences among the slaves, and I take these differences and make them bigger. I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies, and it will work throughout the SOUTH. Take this simple little list of differences and think about them. On the top of my list is "AGE" but it is only there because it starts with an "A"; The second is"COLOR" or shade; there is INTELLIGENCE, SIZE, SEX, SIZE OF PLANTATION, ATTITUDE of owner, whether the slaves live in the valley, on a hill, east or west, north, south, have fine or coarse hair, or is tall or short. Now that you have a list of differences, I shall give you an outline of action- but before that, I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION.

The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands.

Don't forget you must pitch the old black VS. the young black males, and the young black male against the old black male. You must use the dark skinned slaves VS. the light skin slaves. You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. You must always have your servants and OVERSEERS distrust all blacks, but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us.

Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control, use them. Never miss an opportunity. My plan is guaranteed, and the good thing about this plan is that if used intensely for one year the slave will remain perpetually distrustful.

-WILLIAM LYNCH-1772
************************************************

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monsterholloway — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:19:18 GMT

Atlanta stand the fuck up. Polow just spoke the truth. Niggas need to get Master's degrees and Ph.D. LOL!!

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:20:23 GMT

junegemini said:
.what about your kids first week??

(good,,I thought the teachers were go blow phone up, but my lil boy love going to school. thats some I think he get from his mama,,I use to cut school when I was in pre- K,,LMAO

GawgaBwoy770 said:
@ King High Pimpn

Yea, I feel you on Freak-nic bc that shit was wild, but do they still have the Kappa beach party in Galveston? I always had lame ni99az stationed with me that really didn't want to go nowhere so that's something I missed out on when I was over that way..

(mayne, that shyt was the freak nic for texas,,thats before houston rappers got on, since they got on ,is been boring,, they charge money and call it "the beach party" now, ,, you can't do nothing, laws control to much shyt now,,they don't sell liquor or beer doing the beach party weekend,,I don't even go no more

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junegemini — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:20:57 GMT

@ GawgaBwoy770

You made a good point...

I still feel as though Oprah is a great role model to black women...no one is perfect...I see what you are saying about the whole "shacking up" idea and that I don't condone...but young girls learn today how to be "gold diggers" and are taught to go where the money is (that is why these men are buying rims, jewelry, clothes, cars, etc.), whereas, Oprah shows us how to depend on ourselves and earn the quality things in life

To some aspect, women play a role in the way a man lives his life, but we do control it...i have to be honest though, i do love a man in a suit but didn't a man started the suit/button up wearing trend...plus after a certain age, the rugged style plays out for some guys

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junegemini — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:24:31 GMT

@ King High Pimpin

Thats good that your lil man like school...didn't know you could skip in Pre-K...there is never a dull moment with you

Well, I can't speak on the skipping thing cuz it's the first week of school and I already anticipate on not going to class on Friday and I skipped my 2pm class today and went to work instead...

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BayBOI — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:33:02 GMT

@GawgaBwoy770

GawgaBwoy770 said:
@ junegemini

"He got the order of things from the Bible and basically every other religious book..That's something you really can't argue..

Oprah is a good role model when it comes to the money making aspect but would you really want your daughter shacking with a man for the rest of their life bc her man won't commit?? I wouldn't want my daughter to do it and I don't approve of it..That's sending the wrong message"

Check it out cutty...if you was papered up as Oprah in the US...would you get married? I mean..unless I am getting married in TX....I wouldn't. You already know how divorce can break you...if you smart, you gone be smart.

I ain't saying you wrong and I ain't saying it is a GREAT message to send your daughter...but what would YOU do?

I just think ni**as just gotta accept their are always gone be some strong minded women who think like a man and want to be a man's equal. I know there are plenty b*tch a$$ ni**as for them. As a Black man looking at Oprah as the MOST PAID Black person in the States...I'm bowing down to that game...not tearing her down cuz I don't want my woman or my daughter not so tough headed. That's on that ni**a to pick the right woman...not on black woman to be sheep for us.

If you really look at it...that hating on Oprah on the strength that a man doesn't want a woman to think she better than him. Let's just call it what it is. A broad like Oprah can make a real ni**a step his game up....let Stedman be her booch...I'll soak that game so I can get my money Oprah like...yadadasayin?

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:37:13 GMT

@ junegemini

I agree with everything you said and Jay did start the buttonups off but you can definitely see Beyonce's influence on his attire and the way he carries himself since they've been together..Same with Nas and Kelis..If you checked their before and after music you'll see the same there..

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:37:47 GMT

junegemini said:
Well, I can't speak on the skipping thing cuz it's the first week of school and I already anticipate on not going to class on Friday and I skipped my 2pm class today and went to work instead...

(i know that feeling,,I got to start working overnight soon, so I can be home when his bus come to pick him up and drop him off,I gotta take him back to the doctor for another shot or he aint go be able to go to school next week. I gotta take another day off soon.

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TWON THE DON — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:39:11 GMT

MAN FUCK POLO IM..... THE MOTHER FUCKIN DON
NOW WHAT!

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Presidential — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:42:18 GMT

@BlackPeople 1....LOL!!! Man, I didn't know you had such a good sense of humor. Usually you're hittin' us with the heavy shit! That Rick James video IS CLASSIC.....lol.

@KingHighPimn...who's that in your avatar man???

Truly,
Presidential

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Jory201 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:45:49 GMT

Great interview with great points indeed. First off, I'm an educated black man. I own many books on race and I'm very familiar with the "Willie Lynch Letter". The biggest difference with Polo is that his mom is NOT black. That explains so much. It's so clear to me now cause I couldn't figure out why would he make those statements to begin with even if they were true to a degree. I personally had a phase in MY life where I dated tons of Asian women. I can tell you that in the household they are taught to live, eat, and breathe their husbands. They wait on them hand and foot for anything. So as much as he says that he's black he's not. He's definitely right about how some black women only date D boys but he's not shedding light on how most white women only date black guys because we are different from the norm. They date us when we make it in life. When we don't have shit, they don't even look at us like that. It's the same thing with SOME black women BUT no one can tell me that a GOOD black woman won't stand by her man in tough times.

They have bitches and hoes of all races. I say leave the hoes alone and get yourself a GOOD woman period. Polo was right about alot of things. But at the end of the day, he's not speaking from a perspective of a true BLACK family. If his mom was black, he would've thought twice about those statements. I think it's all about preference. Women of different races and cultures are raised differently as it relates to relationships. Some are taught to worship their men. It just so happens that BLACK women are taught to bear some of the burden of maintaining an orderly household. That doesn't mean they are not submissive. It just means that right now, WE as black men are messing up and our women don't trust us completely. WE aren't taking care of business. If you are taking care of business your woman has to respect you. If she doesn't, get rid of her quick and don't look back. That's the definition of a selfish female and it'll always be that way. Believe me, I know. My girlfriend and soon to be wife next year is from the Bahamas but she's very much a sister. She's been in pageants her whole life and she's very humble. She's independent and submissive when need be BUT she can take control if she's put in that position and I embrace that. Is that only a trait of black women in other countries? I think not.

The Bahamas were enslaved by Great Britain for centuries. Do you know what they did? They fought back and now, the country is run by blacks for blacks. African Americans can learn alot from that. WE will never run this country BUT we can have more influence if we handle our business and stop being so lazy. We need to become more UNIFIED. They can't stop us if we do that. I think that if WE as black men were doing more to better ourselves, our women would trust us more. We are so blind to see that even though we mess up, they still want us. You don't see them running to white men now do you? They are giving us every opportunity to make something happen whatever that may be. They want stability just like every other woman. It doesn't mean you have to be the richest guy in the world. Just take care of your business. It comes down to communication and understanding with OUR women. Some brothers think that's working too hard. That's why SOME OF US stray away. I, personally have been with women of all cultures and I can tell you this, BLACK women are the most complex species on the planet. That's what makes them so great. If you treat them right, they are down for life. Being with other races made me appreciate BLACK women so much more than before. Unlike Polo, MY mom is a sister so I'll stay with my sisters. JSTEED...I'M OUT!!!

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mellimell3 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:47:29 GMT

@fizzroy

I truly hope you were not trying to reach anybody with that little tiff you had. Nobody is going to put worth in your comments if you come off like that. Nevermind really, I'm probably wasting my time trying to get you to calm down.

By the way are you responding to the first are the second interview. Comment seems a little misguided.

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katttdaddy2 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:54:47 GMT

@ junegemini

Not sure how old you are, or where you're from, but trust, his wisdom speaks the truth, even on the points you disagreed on. I think you mised the point/big picture of all this.

(I particularly didn't care for this line: "Ladies and gentlemen agreed, n****s and b******s got mad."
I didn't agree with everything he said but I didn't get mad either. That was his opinion and I feel that everybody is entitled to their opinion...)

*** What he meant was, ignant black folks who typically are referred to by themselves and others as nyggas and bytches, are the ones who got mad. Basically you can rationally disagree with what he said. But if you came on talkin mad shyte sayin Polow was completely wrong as some did yesterday, then you are indeed in that "nyggas and bytches" catergory.

*** On Oprah, GawgaBwoy already schooled that point very well (Oprah is a good role model when it comes to the money making aspect but would you really want your daughter shacking with a man for the rest of their life bc her man won't commit?? I wouldn't want my daughter to do it and I don't approve of it..That's sending the wrong message ) And Steadman ain't her man no more ??? Where have you been ???

(What really got me is the God, men, women, kids order. I agree with God being first, but shouldn't men and women be equal?? Relationships should be 50/50, and there shouldn't be "roles." )

***Maybe there shouldn't, but there are indeed roles, like it or not. And these roles have been here since the birth of civilized society, and is an essential part of civiliozation itself. And just because the man is the head of the household/family in no way belittes womes role in society ? Women in fact are more important, because they are the ones that actually keep the family unit together. Man may be the head, but women run the show and always have.

(The whole thing about black woman wanting men with college degrees and shit, I don't think that is whats going to stop the guys from selling drugs and shit, its going to take a lot more than that...hes almost contradicting himself...he says that black people don't read, but a black man would give up hustlin to get some girl??? Can't see that happening homie )

*** As a man I can tell you it would indeed make a huge difference. I don't think you as a woman can predict it's effects acurately, no offense. When me and my homies were young, we was doin all what we had to do to be viewed as "cool" so the chicks would dig us. Whether it be positive or negative. If we knew that walking around with an encyclopedia would get us laid, we would have tatooted that shyte all over our chests !

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jassonss17 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:56:20 GMT

Seems like u jus attakin black women hmmmm... last i remember dem pink bitches got all da diseases man das sad dat u feel its all the black womans fault,black men have faults to aint nuthin wrong wit a strong woman who speaks her mind, Who wants yes sir an no mam kinda wife i want a wife da go stomp wit da big dogz

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jassonss17 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:57:49 GMT

I agree wit Jory201

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:59:12 GMT

@ katttdaddy2

Good points..I cosign everything you said but I busted out laughing when I read this bc I cosign this to the 10th power..

When me and my homies were young, we was doin all what we had to do to be viewed as "cool" so the chicks would dig us. Whether it be positive or negative. If we knew that walking around with an encyclopedia would get us laid, we would have tatooted that shyte all over our chests !

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:15:00 GMT

@ Every Body

I was on the phone with my moms, i'm jaaming a old skool cut she reminded me about cuz I love this song, I think ya'll should peep it out,

Betty Wright- Im catching hell

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:16:40 GMT

Presidential said:

@KingHighPimn...who's that in your avatar man???

(jaime pressley in a thong)

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FatherSha — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:17:47 GMT

House nigga plain and simple.

I'm sorry I don't get off on White Girls and all that. First of all why do you need a woman to be submissive. Shit I want my woman to be strongheaded and have a mind of her own. The truth is, white girls are easier to fuck then the average black girl. Thats probably why he's saying that shit. They probably don't laugh at his ED like a black girl would. And he probably tries "new things" with his snow bunnies that a black woman would laugh at him for, (see Supahead and Big Tigga.)

Whats happening to ya'll brothers. You seem to forget there is only one person in this country who has struggled liek the black man- the black woman. I'm sorry but house niggas go to the other side. I'ma keep my queen who isn't submissive. Hell I taught her not to be submissive, because no real black man wants his woman to be a doormat, because your kids will end up the same way. Being "submissive" is what got slave mothers raped.

If I were a black woman I wouldn't be submissive to punk ass niggas liek polow, ,and all you house niggas out here who put ya hands on chicks, don't take care of your seeds but want a woman to do everything you say. Fuck outta here man.

Na-im P.

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Handsome_Rob — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:23:45 GMT

Damn, Fam I had to cash in on this one, though it's been a minute.... For starters, Polo's mom being from Japan shines a light on alot.... Plus he's on allhiphop.com saying this and not 60 minutes its a big different we should be free to speak our bit around one another.... But he made some very valid point... I didnt agree with the Oprah bit though... She can't help that.. She'll find the right person in due time but until then.... Oprah do ur bad..lmao

Yesterday we as black men took some hits to which were very valid... And true... But what I can't believe is all the black men and women that failed to realize what he just said..... I don't even know if he realized it but I'm pretty sure he did..

He just title black women as the leaders of our race.... Why didn't anybody pick up on that.... And it's true... Think of all the successful black men... They have been raised and molded by who black women... He said if black women only went for brothers with PH.D guess what in about 10 years u would see us getting PH.D's trust me.... We would... He just called u the leader of our raise ultimately the world but I will get to that in a second....but U lead our thoughts.... Yall wanted thugs guess what u got thugs.... yall wanted money at any means we got d-boy but this isn't just on our women it's us and it's not just us its the US playing on our downdalls.... But that can only go so far.... Take heed and change

Black women the silent leaders of the world.... why... okay.... All over the world people look down on us even upper class African call us Jakata or something like that means lazy ignorant black american ..... but who cares they sold us ... which is worst...Every body all over the world people look down on us becuz the way we partray ourselves and the way the media patrays us..... but look who also they want to be like.... Us Us US..... why we sale out show all over sea.... Man we run this we just need to get things right at home here.... but if we are everything everybody want to be like.... but silently black women run our thought, then guess what yall run this shit..... We just need to make some ajustments that it....

it ain't just us everybody playing they roll to keep us down on the totem pole... b/c once we get ourselve to gether ... we runnin this shit

Now go up and read the interview again and tell me what u think

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:28:26 GMT

@ FatherSha

I'm not going to go at you like you trying to go at other ni99az but you contradicted yourself when you said you taught your woman not to be submissive..How can you teach a woman not to be submissive if she ain't already that..Your woman is submissive to you or she wouldn't have been willing to let you teach her nothing..Don't be so quick to get defensive bc you don't understand something..

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redhawt — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:35:40 GMT

Why don't this weak coon take his "BROKENHEARTED, I've arrived, I'm finally accepted (snicker), white women validate my manhood, self-hating, mother-issues having ass, now some of my best friends are white, protesting, insecure a$$ down in a corner and read a book! His rant is beneath ignorance!!!!! I don't care how long your paper is, the white man will ALWAYS see your black ass as lazy, shiftless, unfit to scrub his toilet with your big fat lips, unfit to polish his shoes with your blasphemous tongue! *** Invest your time and energy in educating the community from which you hail instead of bullying women with your mother-issues having ass. You are not the man you ought to be and if you were I'd be damned to hell. **Carry on with your suntanning bleach blondes that roast under the sun to become the very women you despise: A BLACK ONE!!!! ***Those broads covet the beautiful golden brown skin. If you doubt that, ask a white woman why she tans. Answer: she's dying to be black. LMMBAO!!! as this foolery!!! If you knuckleheads in the industry, sports, etc. weren't making millions, the white woman/man wouldn't rub elbows with your black asses at a pig fest! Believe that! Take a walk on the dark side in Klan Country. Them crackas will remind your black ass quick who you are and put you in your place once and for all dangling from the nearest oak tree. You, Kobe, Michael, Tiger, etc...will be acquainted with the GOLDEN ROPE quick...Step too far out of line getting too big for your pannies and you will soon learn the hard way. Ask Michael Strahan. That white gold digging broad and the white man judge sucked the life out of his manhood if he ever had one! Holla back if you can keep up!

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redhawt — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:40:37 GMT

AHH, Call me when the klansmen catch up to this negro. He needs a reality check quick! The negro ain't nothing but a BROKENHEARTED, REJECTED LOSER. Harriet Tubman's backbone led a village of MEN to freedom, how dare this attention-whoring coon degrade a race of women. Unbelievable that his foolery is entertained? Let him cater to whitey. Let him kiss and lick their asses. Why is he venting? This dude needs therapy or his freaking diaper changed! If you are so happy with Becky be happy. Marry her and shut the hell up and get off the soap box already with that simp talk!

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Handsome_Rob — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:41:37 GMT

Fam and women when he said submissive.... He didn't say nieve (or how ever u spell that word)... but he meant to play ur roll... thats it not be dumb but to a certaint extent there is a such thing as being to submissive.... And thats what I love about black women...

Look up Jena 6 and see how people trying to keep us down.... and when u get a chance read RICH DAD POOR DAD.... it will teach u what not to spend ur money on first... It's okay to splurge... just dont splurge first... u'll splurge more in the long run with smart sound business/investments

I'm gone read that willie lynch shit ... but read RIch Dad Poor Dad.... and get ur money right

Till then Rob Hen bka Handsome Rob for president

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Maaja — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:41:54 GMT

Polow Da Don, does not speak for everyone. Especially Whites, Africans or Black people. He's not that deep and his main argument is based off generalizations and the Willie Lynch Letter. It is very clear that the Willie Lynch Letter is the only thing Polow has read and the only thing he is living by. He needs to pick up a book by Cornel West and get informed or read something other than the Willie Lynch Letter. His generalizations paints the picture of Nigga, not the Black Man or Black Woman. Nigga is a mentality and Polow seems to display it well. Nigga is universal, it sees no race...its pure ignorance. There is nothing profound or eloquent about Polow. He sounds like a slave when he speaks, he mumbles and sounds illiterate. Sending him on a job interview in corporate America, would be hilarious.

We all should rally together and buy Polow a bunch a books.

Polow Da Don's way of thinking is distorted and there is nothing worse than a stupid person attempting to kick knowledge.

"The Nigga needs to get it together. Black Men and Black Women have been holding it down from the beginning."

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Prodigal_Son — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:43:59 GMT

@GawgaBwoy770

Damn that's a good point...can't teach someone until they submit and allow themselves to be taught. Good shit catchin that one.

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Smashit — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:45:31 GMT

Man this kid is so stupid he needs to be lynched! I don't know how much white pussy he ate but us niggas & bitches need to boycott his bitch-ass!

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gilla89 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:53:19 GMT

I GET WHAT THE MAN IS SAYING. STUFF IS VERY COMPLICATED NOW-A-DAYS. BUT I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED BY HIS COMMENTS ON A WOMANS PLACE. IS HE SAYING IT SHOULD BE EQUAL AMONG WOMEN AND MEN OR WHAT? WATEVA. I AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT HE IS SAYING BUT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE HE ISN'T THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY THIS. IT'S BEEN SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN. AND SADLY WE DON'T LISTEN.
NICE INTERVIEW. GIMMIE MORE LOL!

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bigredd115 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:54:34 GMT

I don't know where to start...

Submission has been turned into a bad word with black women (and I am one). It has negative undertones as though the person who is submissive has lost themself and exists only to serve another. So not true. I even think that what Polow was describing was the extreme case. However, there is nothing wrong with being submissive in a relationship as long as the other person doesn't take advantage. That is what most women are afraid of. I can tell you that if a man or a woman finds the right person, they can be submissive and not ever see a problem with it. Two submissive people allow each other to be themselves, to be vulnerable, and both are happy because both are getting thier needs met.

It is not a lie that Black women are sassy. It is in our blood. Most of our mothers were sassy. But we can still be ladies...we just need the right man. We don't want a man to tell us what to do...we want a man to guide us into decisions. We don't a man to demand we cook dinner for him...we want a man that compliments what we cook (and then we'll do it more often).

Then we make men feel like they have no say so or their not a man if they ain't paying the bills or they ain't got no job..etc. I am the bread winner in my house. I pay all the bills and spring for the extras. My man stays home, gets the kid after school, teaches the boys to be men, and keeps things organized at home. His boys talk him, my girls talk about me. But he still is the man. Having a job, making money, paying bills doesn't make him a man. Him doing whatever needs to be done for me, the house, the boys while I work makes him a man. I treat him as such. I don't cook for him because he asks. I cook for him because he likes my cooking and he tells (even if he doesn't mean it)...I talk to him for before big purchases are made even though I make the money...cause he is part of the household and what I spend effects him. My submission to him is to cook, clean, respect him, and be there when he needs me for whatever. His submission to me is to manage the house, groom the boys to be men, help me relax after work, and fullfill my needs whenever.

To top it off, one of the boys isn't even his. That's a man.

There nothing wrong with submission. When carried out right. It can be a beautiful thing.

About the Willie Lynch Letter:

In my opinion, the Willie Lynch letter is a colossal fraud. The letter is supposed to have been written by a white slaveowner, who shares his ideas on keeping blacks “in line.” It was SUPPOSED to have been written in the 1700s, but it happens to use language like “self-refueling,” which is linked to the automotive industry, which wasn’t exactly in existence in the 1700s. Also, the letter refers to “Black” people — capitalization of the “B” began during the civil rights movement (1960s). You have to be careful of what is said to be history. Records get real sketchy the further you go back in time.

Also:

Someone earlier mentioned "He's definitely right about how some black women only date D boys but he's not shedding light on how most white women only date black guys because we are different from the norm. They date us when we make it in life. When we don't have shit, they don't even look at us like that. It's the same thing with SOME black women BUT no one can tell me that a GOOD black woman won't stand by her man in tough times."

This is so true. Most white women won't date a black man unless he is established in some way. We date black men no matter what their situation. And we hold on. There is nothing wrong with that. That's how a woman should be with her man. Sometimes we take it to the extreme or we get taken advantage of by men who don't see our worth and willingness to be there when the chips are down. That's life. It is hard to live by but women shouldn't go for the man they can live with but for the man they can't live without. And keep your tears ladies...most men aren't worth your tears...but those that are won't make you cry.

I'm done.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:59:51 GMT

LMAO!!!! That's at all you Polow haters..Y'all ni99az need the reality check..We can't keep a blind eye to what is happening in our communities..Its dumb @ss ni99az like y'all (and I did say ni99az bc y'all are ignorant as fuck) that will continue to hold us back..Yea, we don't have any problems with our kids and us as black people run the country...What country are y'all living in?? Look at all the self destructing we are doing but when somebody is bold enough to speak out and voice their opinion and make some valid points you cry bc it hurt your feelings..The thing is if the shoe didn't fit ni99az wouldn't get mad but it hurts so bad don't it..Well get it together and stop fucking crying..What the fuck are we holding down? The highest AIDS rates, drug addictions, murder of our own, illegitimate kids, and I can keep going if you want me too..What you ni99az responding don't understand is that the ones who should be reading this ain't bc they don't have computers and don't really live in the same world as we do..If it don't apply to you so be it but the problems do exist..

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Maaja — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:59:34 GMT

And to comment on Polow's Biblical points, I am not sure what kind of God Polow serves but the Holy God said, "when I created MAN I created him in likeness of myself." When I think of what kind of MAN and Father, The Almighty God has been to me. To be a God Like MAN in Character, means you are worthy of being honored as a husband and father and head of household. A woman will submit to that kind of man. A woman will not submit to a man who is not worthy!

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:13:08 GMT

@ BayBOI

I missed what you said earlier but to comment on the Oprah thing..She wasn't the one holding out on marriage he was and even if it was the other way around there is always prenuptials..She put herself in a position to waste valuable years of her life where she could've found happiness waiting on a man that never wanted to commit to her..Like I said as a successful black person period she's a role model but once you take a look at her personal life things change..Everybody always hollaring what Oprah do for blacks but to be completely honest she do more in Africa than she do over here and I won't speak on how I know that but I do..With all the money given one of y'all should be able to tell me when you specifically heard about her big donations to the inner cities outside of Chicago...I've never heard about no money reaching Georgia from her..

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BlackPeople 1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:18:08 GMT

somebody said "boycott"

I'm wid it whatever it is.

What up pres?

I'm prolly the silliest dude that a lot of my people know.

It's just sometimes I gotta go in.

But yo

I need y'all help like east oakland roy

I'm tryna compile a list of black dudes who'll go jump off a roof for some snow pussy.

But my shit is incomplete. And lemme know if I'm wrong on some of these but

polo the don
taye diggs
terence howard
russell simmons
tim duncan
what's the black dude off scrubs? yup. him too.
quincy jones

ummm, who else?

-Black People

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:18:57 GMT

@ Maaja

That's bullshit and you know it.The women nowadays won't submit to a man who's not worthy..You have to be kidding me..They do it all the time and those are the bitter ones still alone at 40 years old still hollaring men ain't shit..Not all but a big enough portion to be seen by all..The white man constantly see how our women put us down and use it against us..If they were more selective of the men they invite into their bedroom and lives they would find happiness but money talks and bullshit walks nowadays..It is what it is and we can't keep denying it...

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BlackPeople 1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:21:38 GMT

regardless of the validity of the willie lynch letter
it still beckons our attention

-Black People

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leeta — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:22:40 GMT

damn! this might be the most heated discussion in hip-hop itself!
but anyways at the end of the day everybody (blacks mainly supposed to know that) need to do their part and stop playing the blame game..dat shit is overly wack..use your common sense..and you can't blame everything on the black woman..if you want a change in something, you gotta be able to do it..If anything since the black women are to blame for why these niggas are the way they are, well call on the Lord for help and encouragement if you ain't gon do what you supposed to do..
u ain't gotta do drugs or none of dat nonsense..Call on God if you feel the BLACK woman ain't doing HER JOB and IS the reason for all this..i don't even think it's a black woman thing.. it has something to do with both sides (black men and women..and i ain't talkin bout EVERYBODY..this is the Some category)..
and about the women opening her legs and all dat dum shit..DOESN'T IT TAKE 2 TANGLE? IT'S BOTH PEOPLE INVOLVED FAULT!
but all other things he mentioned had some good points
I'M DONE TALKIN..JUST MY OPINION ON THINGS AGREE OR DISAGREE I'M STICKIN TO IT LIKE POLOW AIN'T TAKIN BACK WHAT HE SAID..

"NEW ORLEANS STAND UP, NEVA FORGET HURRICANE KATRINA, ALMOST DIED IN THAT FLOOD BUT WE STILL HERE!" THANK GOD!

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Charm1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:23:04 GMT

Now that we got the Black Women need to guide Black Men and be more understanding out the way.

What is everyone take on the comment Polow made?, "That’s how you know you’ve been bamboozled. N****s livin’ at home when they’re 30. Our parents did not live with their parents when they were 30. That s**t is unheard of. Now you got 25 year-olds still at home, suckin’ on they momma’s titty. That’s why we got a bunch of b**** a** n****s who have no self-respect. " No one seems to comment on that but say I understand or agree with what the man is saying..

Just like we as Black People know that there are Black women out here that just don't have respect for themselves and probably don't even understand how they should be treated. We have Black Men who grew in the single family home(some who didn't) with mom working very hard and till this day still at home and mom not even trying to encourage him to achieve. Also, we can encourage each other and stick together. It starts at the home. My opinion is that many black women did just hear it one way, whether he meant it that way or not, they basically thought of Polow putting them down, because we hear it so much. I mean how many men today can say that they haven't said to a black woman, "another woman will do what you will not and will take care of their man. "

Polow said a lot and I think everyone on here agrees to some extinct what he is saying about Black Men and Women...Lets not put the focus on only one aspect of what he said. Polow talked about music and the way to have longevity in the industry is to not look at it as a hustle but to love the music . So he said a lot, I think the focus was just put on the women because hell Black men was thinking it so through words u can express ur feelings.. Oh well. Maybe this can be a part of a change..nothing wrong with that!!!

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Maaja — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:23:10 GMT

Also, God did not say anything in his word about woman submitting to their boyfriends. THe word says, "Wives submits to your husbands." The word says, "He that finds a wife, finds what is good and receives favor from the Lord. The word says, "Husbands love your wives, as Christ loved the church." Christ gave his life for the church.

Those guys who are talking about submission, Are you willing to give your life for your wife? Because God is talking about that kind of Man being the head and not the tail.

Submission to some guys means: Straight up wicked lustful sex that defiles everybody involved.

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BlackPeople 1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:24:09 GMT

gawga you is keepin too real for these muvafuckas

i been watchin this shit all day.

you gon' hafta tone it down on 'em

sike.

-Black People

but for real tho, how can we get this message off the internet?

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bigredd115 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:26:24 GMT

@ GawgaBwoy770

No disrespect, but you seem kinda bitter. Have you never had a good black woman on your arm to hold you down and let you be the man??

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etimeloD — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:35:44 GMT

Dude must have a CD coming out soon; he got folks talking 'bout his ass, that's for sure

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hiphoponmymind — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:39:46 GMT

he said that a women should let a man be a man and run the household? well why is it her job to keep the household together do to the fact the male wasn't raised right? what if both male and female are not raised right? it's still the womens fault? both men and women are to blame if their relationship fails.

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Maaja — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:40:05 GMT

@ GawgaBwoy770

I understand what point you are making. The point I was making is Biblical because of the Biblical point that was brought up in the interview. I am looking at it from a spiritual stand point, not a wordly view. I was talking about "life partners, not sexual partners."

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Hustle Hard — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:50:41 GMT

he should of just kept what he said yesterday and leave it at that because by breakin it down it doesnt make sense now. yesterday it was divine order husband , wife, children and that black woman are not submissive but today he says that alot of black men grow up in unfortunate circumstances so black woman have to step it up and take control of the situation. Both statements are contradicting each other. Just keep it real you prefer white pu$$y whoever get mad f*ckem every1 has their own preference. I mean i go through times where i prefer latinas, times where i prefer black, times i prefer white, depends on my mood. The color or nationality should be irrevelant by now i mean ill talk to a good lookin Iraqi girl because i WANT to and i wouldnt care what anybody else thought.

I agree with him saying maybe black woman need to raise their standards and go for dudes with a college degree that way it will wake some dudes up to finish school n shit, thats real.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:54:48 GMT

@ bigredd115

She is in the same room and she knows it's some truth to what he said bc we discuss different issues that's affecting our generation as a couple and we've talked about both of these articles..To be completely honest we had the same problem that Polow is talking about due to her lack of trust in all black men bc of her poor choices in men before me..That's not my fault but I had to tear down that wall and explain to her it wasn't just the men at fault..She played her part in the situation as well and nobody held a gun to her head and made her stay with them..She's thankful to have me in her life bc I stayed when I could've left due to her lack of trust...I lived in a different state while she was pregnant but I made every doctor visit..If I hadn't known her as a friend prior to us dating I probably wouldn't have done as much to make it work..She could've easily pushed away a good man bc of bad decisions she made in men..Too many women carry around those bad choices in men and take it out on the next man...When anybody man or woman keep having the same problem with the people they are dating they have to come to the realization that it's their fault..By the way, she's a sista...

Sorry so long but i'm long winded when it come to enlightening conversations with my people but i've even had older black women look down on me for no reason at all and this was in the corporate world..Why?? Bitter at all black men for those bad choices..It happens...Trust me..

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:02:51 GMT

Well I feel like Polo has a lot of good points. We can't take every generalization to heart though. To all the ones saying he's putting down black women...how? If anything he's building yall up saying yall have the power to change the mentality of the black man.

Now I know the man has to have movitation to change in the 1st place, but it can start with yall. If yall stop dating the ni99az who aint about $hit, then that'll make em want to be about $hit. I'm not puttin the world on yall shoulders but it was a good point. Don't you think?

Look at it like this....if a dude is aroung nothing but women that don't twant o deal with the a$$hole brotha...then sooner or later don't you think the the dude will reform to being a better brother. Just like if a sister is a hoe and gets tired of dudes treating her like that, won't she change.

For the most part women yall are the backbone of the race...like it or not...and it's true as long as the bling bling and the rims is what get's yall attention then the brothas will flock to get those things by any means. Like I said it's not taking any responsibility from the man though.

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Charm1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:09:52 GMT

What is everyone take on the comment Polow made?, "That’s how you know you’ve been bamboozled. N****s livin’ at home when they’re 30. Our parents did not live with their parents when they were 30. That s**t is unheard of. Now you got 25 year-olds still at home, suckin’ on they momma’s titty. That’s why we got a bunch of b**** a** n****s who have no self-respect. "
I guess nobody cares!!! I think we all have been guilty of seeing only what we want to see or this conversation wouldn't be just about Black women and personal BAD experience with some of them!!

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KillaRell — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:16:40 GMT

Education is key. I don't know if you can blame anything other than us all living in a society where ethnicity (which is confused with race often) is so important. There are a lot of problems going on throughout the black community. I'm one intelligent cat and nothing close to a thug, but I know that because of the generalization of black people in this country that I may be viewed differently just because I'm young and black. Because of that, I get pissed when so many people don't take advantage of education. I even see it on this site. When people can't explain something with facts, they'll blame it on racism, conspiracies, and even the illuminati! I mean racism still exists, but come on now. I know so many good black people, including myself, and I know that it's more of an individual problem than a group thing. i'm not responsible for your choices, nor are you responsible for mine. I can only advise you and vice versa. Knowledge is power and one thing I do agree with Polow on is that reading is very important. I didn't start to like reading until I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X and I've been going ever since. Anyway, i'm off topic. Peace.

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:24:26 GMT

Charm1 said:
What is everyone take on the comment Polow made?, "That’s how you know you’ve been bamboozled. N****s livin’ at home when they’re 30. Our parents did not live with their parents when they were 30. That s**t is unheard of. Now you got 25 year-olds still at home, suckin’ on they momma’s titty. That’s why we got a bunch of b**** a** n****s who have no self-respect. "
I guess nobody cares!!! I think we all have been guilty of seeing only what we want to see or this conversation wouldn't be just about Black women and personal BAD experience with some of them!!

I agree that's why I said it's not all up to the woman. But through all the downfall of the black man the woman (for the most) part has stood strong.

I know back in the day my grandmother would not have accepted drug pr illegal money from any man...but times have changed. Our brothas today are so fucced up in the mentality of wanting to be a thug or what not...all on t.v. looking stupid to the point where I get ashamed around my on black people. But hey what can you do?

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Handsome_Rob — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:28:37 GMT

maaja.... I agreed with u all tha way up into that last point... well partially... but I really respect ur opinion...

another point that build my case is that eve told adam to steal fruits from the forbidin tree... another example of the power women hold ... that's a negative example but this power of our black women kan be used for positive thing

a lot of polo shit was based off generalizations and he seems to almost stereotype his own race... but still none the less he made valid points about men also had he been asked more about us we would have got it too... trust we got our issues...

just like I said no one want to be us... but a lot of people want to be like us or be with us... like white men going for black women... which I can't hate... cuz I love yall sas and style... and other women wanted to be wit us as black men...
shit to be truthful I seen some white women trip like they so call claim our women trip being possesive.... same wit peurto ricans

More importantly I have never had a problem with having a woman treat me as a man... bcuz I'm trust worthy and I'm on point but if ur not that why would a woman follow u that would be stupid

so if u haven problems with having a black woman act submissive then it may be u

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apieceofpie — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:31:30 GMT

My IQ just tanked. The idiot refers to Willie Lynch but he doesn't quote WL to support his baseless theory. WL DOES NOT DESERVE CREDIT FOR BLACK WOMEN NOT BEING SUBMISSIVE. Black males like this loser (probably got bastard black seeds coming out the wahzoo!!!) abandon their children, don't wife-up black women and take off when he gets two nickels that equal a dime. Then he goes and lives a lavish lifestyle with a white woman. Now that's what I call HOOD RICH bad manners. The Amerikkkan economy deserves credit for a black women not being a doormat, an anal sex maniac, and submissive to the likes of this woos, and no one else. This woos is not only stOOpid, he's dumb and confused!

Here's my theory about this clowns psychobabble. Mary, Keyshia, Beyonce, Amerie, Ashanti, Eve, Janet, refused to fukk for tracks, he called Fergie and she gave the starting producer his biggest and prayerfully track?! Like every lame duck black male that can't get out of his way because he's so confused, he wants to blame all of his past, present, and potential future failures on black women? This male needs to ADVOCATE FOR JENNA 6 and stop popping his mouth off about women. A real man stands up for the "cause", while this sissy contradicting himself. Fess up, woos, He's most definitely angry about something from his past. A recent incident conjured up his suppressed nightmares. In the meantime, I'm going with my industry theory. Black women weren't feeling his tracks, he blames us like every lame duck self-serving black male struggling to get out of his own way!
I feel like this, if I got to get up and work my fingers to the bone, no man is worthy of being the king of my abode. If he wants a white woman pretending to like him, never mind love him, a woman that would take it straight up the crack-a-lac, swallow, and burp in his face, then by all means, get a harem of them and bask in the glory of submission. This woos should be ashamed of himself mouthing off like a popcorn pimp. What white man in AmeriKKKa will ever respect this fool? And WHEN THE MONEY/STATUS/SPOTLIGHT IS GONE, YOU WILL BE THAT NI99A you were born to be in their eyes.

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apieceofpie — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:37:19 GMT

Black males go find your abandoned children, all 10,000, and raise them!!! My goodness. If The Man reads this, he's going to recline in his wingback chair, clapse his hands behind his head, and heave "Dumb Ni&&a"

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Camden Kam 725 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:39:41 GMT

the man speaks the truth more so than generalizations....i keep my money in books because its a place niggas will never look...chew on that...100

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:53:25 GMT

I guess everyone will always take the negative out of every situation but thats cool. Truth is fucc, black men need to get strong (come on now, not all of us) and stop being so sensitive when $hit aint how you want it to be.....stop splurging on stupid $hit and pay your bills 1st (all blacks), black men pay your child support and raise your kids, all stop acting like the club is a second home, and fucc lets bring back the black community. That's why our children are so fucked up

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:56:59 GMT

you see what happened to Vick...thats his punk ass daddies fault for not having the correct relationship with him when he was growing up...somebody shoulda told this ni99a to bet on horse races or something....ni99a threw away over 100 mill

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Presidential — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:58:15 GMT

For the record....Polow said his Mom was born and raised in Japan or whatever, but he never said she ain't black. Y'all are assuming.....she could've been an army brat for all we know....

Truly,
Presidential

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:04:16 GMT

oh yeah....after paying bills still dont splurge all your money people....it's that mentality that has a lot of us living paycheck to paycheck......what's wrong with putting money aside for a rainy day....

I got a cousin just hit me up for money... like I'm rich cuz I do smarter thangs with my money (like have a bank account)...and she worries about her kids having the newest jordans and shit of that nature... dont get me wrong my kids wear that shit too, it's just I'll wait for the sale instead of tryna go broke over that type of shit....

and why am I the 1st of my peers to own a home, but I have the most kids? Because I have smart money!

Change your mentality and sacrifice a little of the dumb shit and we as a people could stop thinking we can't afford shit.

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:07:06 GMT

Presidential said:
For the record....Polow said his Mom was born and raised in Japan or whatever, but he never said she ain't black. Y'all are assuming.....she could've been an army brat for all we know....

Truly,
Presidential

I thought the same thing...he never said she wasn't black...maybe growing up in Japan taught her different morals toward her husband

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HipHopKnowItAll — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:10:10 GMT

I agree wit bul when he said we need to get our business straight, but he didn't make sense about black women...espacially his opinion on Oprah...I love black women, they the strongest on the planet.

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college girl — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:18:51 GMT

Honestly, I think my brother made some excellent points!!!
Topics such as these have been heavy on my mind, but I feel it is my obligation to complete my education before I can really speak and be heard, and I have one year left.

As a black women reading this article I can appreciate my brothers view, he has odviously done his research and knows what he is talking about. My only issue is that we must be very clear as to what we mean: I do not want black men to read this article and think that they have no responsibility or that my brother is saying black women ALONE can fix the problem. But we need to initiate the change.

As hard as it is to be the beggining of a movement such as this, who better than the most powerful women on the planet. We have and will survive through the worst of situations and the white man realizes our strength. He fears that one day we will realize that once again that when we come together for a cause nothing can stop us but DEATH!!!!

Another thing I want to comment on is my brothers statement that black people are idiots to the rest of the world, and unfortunately this is so true. For me this is my driving force. I love to see the looks on peoples faces when I do better than them in chemistry, biology, calc, etc. They cannot believe that a black women can actually read, comprehend and convey information to others. It is sad but I love to prove them wrong. I personally am a black women that is fighting against the stereotypes and I know I am not alone. From what I see in the classroom we are trying, but there are a lot of people fighting against us and we need to help each other. Do not disregard those that are ignorant, educate them, inform them. Take actions, do not give up the first time an instructor thinks you are cheating because you do well on an exam. Expect it!!! Use it!!!! My brothers and sisters are beautiful people and I love all of you, the bad and the good. So I want the best for you. And this article may just open up some eyes and that is always a plus. I just hope it does not seperate us further it is all in love though it may not always come out right.

If my brother chooses to consider himself the king(prince) of white women by all means you can play that role. But my king, my black man that I love and is at home with me is holding down a kingdom that cannot be broken!!!

Much love to my brothers and sisters out there!!!!!

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:22:06 GMT

spoogy said:
and why am I the 1st of my peers to own a home, but I have the most kids? Because I have smart money!

( you good my nicca,,I tryed to buy a house instead of renting, but they want 40,000 down of 125,000 for a 3bdr 2 1/2 bath, I steped off off the gas padel on that one,,i'll wait until i get me a wifey. How you pull it off?

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DA"X"FACTOR — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:24:23 GMT

Polow has my seal of approval. This is what the white man fears the most, a black man with own mind and opinion, and is not afraid to express it without fear of backlash. Not only did he prove his point, he also made you idiots that were disagreeing yesterday, hop on the bandwagon today. I love it!

P.S. I agree with the theory behind the statement about Oprah. He was not saying that she wasn't a influential role model as far as her accomplishments. He was using her to back his theory! I love it.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:38:02 GMT

The funny thing is that a lot of black women have agreed with what he said bc they know their personal worth due to the fact they were raised properly and taught to love thy self..They know a lot of their peers are selling themselves short and aren't making men respect them bc they aren't respecting themselves..A righteous black woman wouldn't want to associate themselves with that type a woman either bc it'll make them look bad by the way they carry themselves...

Real women feel what this man is saying bc they know that type and it ain't a put down to them personally..How many times have you all seen a bad @ss black woman with a fat nasty looking dopeboy just for the money?? We see it everyday in every city...That shit wasn't going on back in the days..A lot of our women starting placing money over their kids, themselves and everything else once the crack epidemic hit..They would have babies by these ni99az bc they somehow thought they'd never get caught and they'd continue to get broke off.. Once that guy got knocked on to the next dope boy and another baby..He gets knocked and the cycle continues...You've seen it a million times so get off that bullshit...

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DC CA$HVILLE — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:51:31 GMT

WOW!!! There has been some good debating going on in here. I'm not going to front, but GawgaBwoy770 came strong on this issue. Mad props. Prez did his thang too. It seemed like it was ak8032704 vs. every male, but the rest of the ladies help her out. My final opinion on this...

@ALL BLACK FEMALES

STOP BEING DESPERATE FOR A MAN AND DON'T THINK YOU CAN LIVE WITHOUT A MAN.

Now, the first part. The reason why i say stop being desperate for a man because most desperate women (especially as they get older) will have sex and have a child by a man that has a sixth grade education and stays in the streets. They throw away all the likes & dislikes of a man's personality and just judge them by how good looking they are and how much money they make. Most desperate women do this just to show their girlfriends that they got a man and feel like, if he makes money (legal or illegal), everything is fine. Thats when that man will realize that as long as he brings the cash, you shouldn't complain whether he's selling dope or cheating on you.

As for the second part, since Oprah and the inspirational independent women movies (G.I JANE) and music (THAT YOU GOTTA BE TOUGH SONG) in the 90's, women think they don't need a man in there life. You mostly find these type of women having a college degree in their belt. Black independent women sort of look down on the brother who loves and respect his opposite sex, but it's not making the kind of money she is. As for there sex life, they rather use the sex toys, instead of the real toy. God didn't create us just to be single for are whole lives. It shouldn't matter what their financial status is as long as they treat you right and have both some book & street sense.

Peace and more hair grease,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:58:10 GMT

King High Pimpn said:

( you good my nicca,,I tryed to buy a house instead of renting, but they want 40,000 down of 125,000 for a 3bdr 2 1/2 bath, I steped off off the gas padel on that one,,i'll wait until i get me a wifey. How you pull it off?
August 30, 2007 12:22 AM

Damn where are the houses that cheap at? I need to get on. I guess I been in a bubble. But naw i have a strong black woman by my side mane.. I was probably one step away form being stupid before we hooked up though... I only put down about 15K for the crib though. ... for real where the deals on houses like that.... that down payment is a killer though...40K.....keep shopping for them deals , and keep that credit score up.....

oh yea we need to stop letting cash fool us... this is a credit world if you don't have the cash to buy str8 out

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d trini soca empre$$ — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:58:26 GMT

lmao@find yuh 10,000 abandoned children

but seriously, why do some of u hate oprah so much? who cares if she gives more financial aide to underprivilaged african kids...isnt the fact that she is giving something more important? when was the last time any of u donated to any charity? or did some community service? and the worst projects in the US prob look like HEAVEN to an underprivilaged african, over here we have programs set up, over there, they got nuttin, kids are raising themselves and lookin after their younger siblings cause their parents have passed on...

i am stunned at the oprah bashing, again...no one puts a gun to her head to give a dime, she does it cause it's what's in her heart, and no matter what she does, some of you brothas still wont be satisfied...oprah cant win with u all

her n stedman's relationship is no diff than any one of ours, it has it's ups, it has it's downs, but jeezus, unless u in her crib daily, how the hell would any of u kno what goes on between the 2 of them?

as far as her growin up in poverty, bein molested as a child and becomin a billionaire, what do u want from her? if i didnt kno any better, some of yuh comments are nuttin short of wishing death on her...is she dat bad? jeezus!!

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DC CA$HVILLE — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:59:11 GMT

Black women get mad at me all you want, just stop opening your legs to dope dealers, gang bangers and wanna be hustlers and to men who will appreciate and respect you as a women. You want to play games, instead of trying to live a healthy relationship? Go to the fake ass brothers section.

Peace and more hair grease,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:12:27 GMT

DC CA$HVILLE ... thats 100 mane..

not all black women but some complain about what men do to them..well have you looked at the men you choose..there may the problem be....it's not the man it's the man you choose... is something wrong with you....or do you think a man who breaks the law for his bread won't break your heart. choose but choose wisely or dont complain... those brothas don't change because the next woman will step up to take the place and deal with that bullshit....sistas yall have the power...like it or not...

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:13:15 GMT

@ d trini soca empre$$

From your comments you'd think the whole article was about Oprah...Do you care to address anything else??

It's not that we don't respect or appreciate Oprah but once you open your mouth to criticize it automatically draws attention to you..So, if it's fair for her to criticize she should be able to take it...We acknowledged the fact she gives to charity but no one I know or anyone on here have ever seen any of that money at their schools so where did it go? Also, she basically shun the young black generation but will break her neck to please the middle aged white woman...Right or Wrong??

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:20:41 GMT

mane our brothas need to step our game up and be fathers and brothers and sons and a part of our community like we used to be...let's save our black children of tomorrow mane.....let's have another 1,000,000 man march....I'm about to call my kids and tell them I love them

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d trini soca empre$$ — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:25:34 GMT

@gawgaboy, i spoke on the blk woman thing yesterday, it drained me, lol, so i wont comment today...it's like beatin a dead horse, i kno when to fold...u all are so fiesty on here, and passionate about yuh thoughts, it's like 2 rams clashing into each other...i cant engage in more pissin contests today

and i personally dont think oprah caters to middle aged white women cause i watch her show on my days off and the topics she has, for the most part affect all women, she touches alot of subjects

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DA"X"FACTOR — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:36:43 GMT

I'm a real man that was raised by a real man. It was hard for me because my girl was one of those women Polow was talking about. Very, very independent. I read the article to her and she laughed in agreement. It took a while but the roles in our household are as they should be. There are real woman out there that do respect what the brother is saying, and I don't feel that it's time to gang up on our sister's either. The problem has been addressed and it's time to work on the solution not go back and forth on the validity of the brother's statement.

Back to Oprah. True the sister is a inspiration:however, she is on that bullshit too. She makes a point to point out the violence and vulgarity in hip hop without acknowledging the reason why the music is the way it is. She is so eagar to point the finger and do what every other one of our leaders has done. Now we have Al Sharpton trading shots with David Banner. I read that damn Willie Lynch Letter and this was the plan and we are executing it to perfection. Remember when hiphop first was introduced it was looked at as a joke. So now that we have made enough noise to become a force it's a problem.

I want the sister to respect us enough to not put us on the panel of her middle aged white women and point the finger at us. That's like slapping someone in the face in front of a crowd and getting upset because they slap you back. When you slap one of us, you slap us all.

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DA"X"FACTOR — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:43:27 GMT

It's a trinkle effect. I was the first in my crew to have a child. But, since I was raised by a real man. I was able to lead by example. Most of my boys have kids now, but they understand that you can be a great father and still have fun. It's about self improvement. The brothers that have been raised right must be able to lead by example. We must teach and learn from each other.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:54:29 GMT

@ d trini soca empre$$

Who makes up the majority of her audience? Who makes up the majority of her viewers? The majority of young blacks are into hip-hop and even the young whites...Why don't she give us a chance to address the issues she have with us instead of downgrading us for her viewers? She acts like she's gotten to high up on her horse..If you read up a lil further on one of my other comments I talk about the older, bitter black lady that takes it out on all black men bc of their bad choices in men..I know you see where i'm headed..

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Laws456 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:01:08 GMT

It's funny how dude said so much but people choose to comment on the frame instead of the whole picture. It seems to me that he was trying wake us up. Think about it like this, when someone is a heavy sleeper you just can't call their name quietly or in your regular voice. In some cases you've got to walk up to them and scream in their ear or shake them until they wake up. And unfortunately, a lot of Black people in this country need to be shaken or yelled at. It's like we don't get the picture until something really bad happens to us, and yet even when something terrible happens we jump on the topic for 15 minutes then it's back to status quo. We are very inconsistent with our support for each other, for example, Jena 6...

We don't have any visible Black leaders for a multitude of reasons. Number one is that the government has a way of silencing us. Either through assassination with a bullet or assassination of character. To me the main reason we don't have a strong Black leader is because WE discredit and alienate our would be leaders. And we do it for the most foolish of reasons. For example, I've seen a few stories on the internet where people are asking is Barack Obama "black" enough. I think that is despicable. Too many times when a Black person becomes educated or if they're not raised in the "hood" we say that person isn't one of us. That line of thinking is just as detrimental to us as the Jim Crow Laws from the 50's and 60's. for those of you who think Barack is not Black enough, you should do yourself a favor and read one of his books. Barack has spent more time in the ghetto than most of us who write these blogs. He has done work in Harlem, he actually slept on the streets of Harlem when he first got there, before he attended Columbia Law School. He's spent a lot of time in Compton, South Central; Los Angeles and on the Southside of Chicago. All of those areas mentioned are Black neighborhoods. Dude had the opportunity to move to North Chicago to live and work but made the choice to live amongst his people and work with them. So I better not hear anyone in here say he's not Black enough. Is he supposed to get on the microphone in front of hundreds of thousands of people and hold his nuts and say what's the deal ya'll?? Is he supposed to wear a durag, a fitted and a vest?? If he does that then he'll be gangsta, and then you'd vote for him right??...(I know a lot of you in this room aren't old enough to vote)

I say that to say this...He is running for President and he has an excellent shot at winning this thing. Instead of us getting behind the man, we spend our days arguing about which rapper is going to sell more records on 9/11, or by questioning Barack's blackness. Our priorities are definitely not in order. It's sad that he probably won't win because the Black vote will probably be split between he and Hilary. Please start paying attention to who you will vote for in this election...Follow the money...Hilary receives large amounts of money from health insurance companies...The same companies that deny us health care and make it very expensive to have. But she supports a Free health care system?!?!? Think about it...

And in response to Women who are attracted to Dope Dealers. Even if a lot of women stopped dealing with dope dealers people will still sell it. Because addiction is a serious sickness and people have been using drugs since before it was cool to sell it. (Damn...) Only foolish, lazy, ignorant woman (black, white, or other) love dope dealers because if you approach a respectable, hard-working Black woman with that Dope Boy bullshit she won't give you the time of day. Don't believe me?? Any of you so-called Hustlers, go down to your nearest college or university and approach a woman who is studying to be a RN or a lawyer or a pharmacist and tell her what you do for a living and let me know what her response is. Granted, there are a few of them who like Hustlers too, but the vast majority of those women won't give you the time of day. When people find other ways of dealing with the stress of life other than drugs, the dealers will have to find something else to do. And some of these "hustlers" have made the transition to rappers and what not, but ya'll have severely oversaturated the market. For those of you who haven't made it rappin yet, here's a stat. In America (USA) only 3.9% of all Doctors in this country are African American. Instead of trying to be a hustler or a rapper, become a Doctor, that market isn't over populated. So instead of selling the drugs, prescribe them. (Charlie, I got You!!!) See how much pussy you get when you tell a woman you're a Doctor.

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:03:09 GMT

DA"X"FACTOR..

I agree i was also the 1st in my crew to have a child, though my dad wasn't really there for me I was for mine and still had fun and didn't miss a beat. If anything it made me better. Made me think about actions and consequences

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superstallion — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:06:24 GMT

I think we r all entitled to date whomever we like,however it seems to me he takes to white women more because they cater to their men(which is cool)but there is nothing wrong with being a strong minded women...white women seem to backed down more and walk behind their men.I believe n walking side by side with mine..holding it down together.And if his mom is Japanese or grew up in Japanese culture I see why he is the way that he is toward women...for they r practically slaves to their men..to each his own!!!Big UPS to men that can handle strong,independent,opinionated, and sophiscated BLACK women that know how to love..and i am talking to white men,black men,hispanic men,samoan men..to all men that can handle us..thank you!!!!

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superstallion — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:09:39 GMT

So what if he f*&% white women,who doesn't.I 'd get with a white dude!!!!!fo sho'!!

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DA"X"FACTOR — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:10:29 GMT

spoogy..

"Made me think about actions and consequences"

Exactly!

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Kiki — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:11:20 GMT

Im not mad at polow da don....hell somebody had to say it.

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DA"X"FACTOR — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:19:39 GMT

@ KiKi...

Thank you sister

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JazzyAzz — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:37:52 GMT

Well I'm on that Oprah shit. Basically, her arrguments have SOME valid points, we are in here arrguing one of her show topics! Like ole girl said she touch on issues that relate to all women... This is not only a Black issue it is a American Culture
issue cuz at the end of the day every race deal with
situations differently, although in his own opinon (like assholes everybody have one) he shedded some light on how we as black people In America are looked at, and not All Dope boys are bad!!!

I was raised by one! I'm A 25 year old Black Woman that is finding my way in life, and know that everything that shine ain't
diamond, my pops and college educated mother made sure that I was brought up in love, repect, and loyalty so with that being said I was brought up to let the man be the head of household
and the woman runs the house!!!

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Hmastadelux — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:54:42 GMT

Kobe Bryant's wife is NOT WHITE. SHE IS MEXICAN! FULL BLOODED! I pretty much agree with Polow..until he brought up Oprah. I dont like her show at all. its boring and its catered for women in general. What I dont understand, is why does every famous black man rag on her? Blacks with money dont HAVE to be leaders to their people! They have lives too! Why do WE as people always have to have leaders?!?

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oneprettyblackcat — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:06:34 GMT

HAVE U GONE MAD?????
HOW CAN U AGREE WITH SOMEONE THAT GENERALIZES ALL BLACK WOMEN NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR MAN?

Kiki said:
Im not mad at polow da don....hell somebody had to say it.

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spoogy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:20:24 GMT

JazzyAzz said: and not All Dope boys are bad!!!
I was raised by one!

I feel ya. I used to be one but as I approached my early twenties the fact of the jail time if I got caught just wasn't worth it to me to be away from my kids. If it worked for your dad and he held down his family that's good for him too. See your dad seems to be unlike these people today who don't do something to keep a family together. He from the old school. Yeah my uncle was a D-boy but he was a good man 1st, that raised is kids w/ his wife also. So more or less I guess it's the mentality. I just had to get up out that life.

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Bravo1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:59:00 GMT

Real Talk that sparked everybody's mind up. I dont believe its all on the women though. i think its gotta be both but since a woman bares a child alone sometimes, she has to be even more responsible at times. men we dont get put in that situattion as much because we don't bare children. women just let men be men. stop trying to mold them into what ur selfish ass wants him to be. stop degrading urselves. 80% of guys wont shake their ass for money but shit 80% of women will. thats fucked up. thats reality. it aint a black thing. im hispanic. same problem here. its a class thing. the system is designed for us to fail. fine the loophole and better ur life and everyone else's. i dont know why a lot of people in here be scratching their head like damn whats the answer? Money. thats what its always about. not color but ur financial status.

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D33ZY — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:15:07 GMT

LMAO, its funny how these guys are talkin' down on women. What tha hell ya'll been doing? From my pt of view niggas ain't doin' nothin' good for themselves sept puttin' they dicks in hoodrats. I'm only 19 and I'm finishing up with my degree. One minute ya'll say we act like we don't need ya'll(stuck up). Then ya'll complain and say "we" don't do nothin'.

Polo right about Black ppl needing to step up. But mostly BLACK MEN. Which us Black women over rules when it's considering college.

Most of ya'll are gettin' it twisted. The comments from the other Blog wasn't because of him dating a white woman. My uncle been dating one for four years. I have no problem with it.

It was when he said "we don't know how to act" but "white women do" that's why he runs to them. Which I think is the most ignorant thing anybody can say. If ya'll start acting right instead of watchin' porn, videos, smokin' weed, stayin' in the clubs, lookin' at women asses and out of jail then maybe you will get what you deserve.

Especially these young dudes who wanna sell drugs and be rappers.

I'mma strong young black woman who listen to a nigga complainin how ya'll are and held him down and he still got some other chick pregnant. So when ya'll wanna put down a black woman speak about yaself first. Cause most of ya'll are no better.

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jubilee.shine — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:48:51 GMT

interscope steady pushin backwardness into the hood.

pac wda shredded this simple clownology.
(was iovine anywhere near vegas in 9/96?)

Some say the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice
I say the darker the flesh then the deeper the roots
I give a holler to my sisters on welfare
Tupac cares, and don't nobody else care
And uhh, I know they like to beat ya down a lot
When you come around the block brothas clown a lot
But please don't cry, dry your eyes, never let up
Forgive but don't forget, girl keep your head up
And when he tells you you ain't nuttin don't believe him
And if he can't learn to love you you should leave him
Cause sista you don't need him
And I ain't tryin to gas ya up, I just call em how I see em
You know it makes me unhappy (what's that)
When brothas make babies, and leave a young mother to be a pappy
And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up

[Chorus]

Keep ya head up, oooo child things are gonna get easier
ooooo child things are gonna get brighter [2x]

[Verse Two:]

Aiyyo, I remember Marvin Gaye, used to sing ta me
He had me feelin like black was tha thing to be
And suddenly tha ghetto didn't seem so tough
And though we had it rough, we always had enough
I huffed and puffed about my curfew and broke the rules
Ran with the local crew, and had a smoke or two
And I realize momma really paid the price
She nearly gave her life, to raise me right
And all I had ta give her was my pipe dream
Of how I'd rock the mic, and make it to tha bright screen
I'm tryin to make a dollar out of fifteen cents
It's hard to be legit and still pay tha rent
And in the end it seems I'm headin for tha pen
I try and find my friends, but they're blowin in the wind
Last night my buddy lost his whole family
It's gonna take the man in me to conquer this insanity
It seems tha rain'll never let up
I try to keep my head up, and still keep from gettin wet up
You know it's funny when it rains it pours
They got money for wars, but can't feed the poor
Say there ain't no hope for the youth and the truth is
it ain't no hope for tha future
And then they wonder why we crazy
I blame my mother, for turning my brother into a crack baby
We ain't meant to survive, cause it's a setup
And even though you're fed up
Huh, ya got to keep your head up

[Chorus]

[Verse Three:]

And uhh
To all the ladies havin babies on they own
I know it's kinda rough and you're feelin all alone
Daddy's long gone and he left you by ya lonesome
Thank the Lord for my kids, even if nobody else want em
Cause I think we can make it, in fact, I'm sure
And if you fall, stand tall and comeback for more
Cause ain't nuttin worse than when your son
wants to kno why his daddy don't love him no mo'
You can't complain you was dealt this
hell of a hand without a man, feelin helpless
Because there's too many things for you to deal with
Dying inside, but outside you're looking fearless
While tears, is rollin down your cheeks
Ya steady hopin things don't all down this week
Cause if it did, you couldn't take it, and don't blame me
I was given this world I didn't make it
And now my son's getten older and older and cold
From havin the world on his shoulders
While the rich kids is drivin Benz
I'm still tryin to hold on to my survivin friends
And it's crazy, it seems it'll never let up, but
please... you got to keep your head up

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KingOfEngland — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:18:56 GMT

(dont care) guys got a big mouth, if he want 2 b a politician, go into politics. He is talking word of mouth, he needs to actually have all his reserch up to date, cuz all that comes from his mouth is guess work, and he's speaking on some serious issues, other people from the industry dont speak about it, because there main art is music not politics/

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ak8032704 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:53:29 GMT

Wow. Some people live on all hiphop..lol

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Marcus Trill — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:01:24 GMT

Fawn Renee is a beast with it.

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college girl — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:02:58 GMT

What we should take from this article is not that we need to point fingers at everyone else and tell black women what they need to do and tell black men what they need to do. Take a second to analyze YOURSELF and find out how YOU can better our community. I am a black women and I have a wonderful black man by my side with a masters, educated. He did not stereotype me and assume I was some angry, independent, no man needing black women. He is strong and has my back through all my struggles and I do his. Come together and stop pulling apart!!!!
We need EACHOTHER!!!

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Hypnotice7 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:38:17 GMT

LMAO...I've heard this argument before

Not saying Polow is right or wrong but i will say this... from when we were in college. He believes EVERYTHING he says is 100% correct. lol

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Mike Gardner — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:49:44 GMT

the fact that he said his mother is not even black that she is japanese.speaks volumes for his lack of respect for black women..! I'm offended by any brotha who can sit and blame the failings of our marriages, dope dealing, the fact that kids grow up fatherless on black women??wtf
he needs to read "the souls of black folks"

Black men...we failed our women..it is not the other way around..

i dont even respect his opinions...I could care less about the fact the dated white women back in tha day that his silly preference....but you cant try and speak for the people when u r sleepin with white women....

another brotha who's opinion i will discredit..

a black king is only a king when he has a black queen by his side

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:52:00 GMT

spoogy said:
King High Pimpn said:

Damn where are the houses that cheap at? I need to get on. I guess I been in a bubble. But naw i have a strong black woman by my side mane.. I was probably one step away form being stupid before we hooked up though... I only put down about 15K for the crib though. ... for real where the deals on houses like that.... that down payment is a killer though...40K.....keep shopping for them deals , and keep that credit score up.....

oh yea we need to stop letting cash fool us... this is a credit world if you don't have the cash to buy str8 out

(I'm in texas, hour outside houston,, in the boondocks,lol,, nah manye,,my credit shot,,, my mama fukked that up when i was a kid, I'm trying to get this house,,its a Lease to own house,,might have it or have one by 2010. this one house would've let me put down 10k-15k, but its was to damn far from my job and hella far from my son school and on top of that the house was Hooded out,, 75k for a house you go have to put 50k of work into it.

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FRESH AHS — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:58:06 GMT

Read brothas and sistas, READ. Polow I belive your an educated black man, and that's great, we need more role models. But if you keep messin with the pilgrims and making it cool to the young folks, how will our race last?

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WHATEVER12 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:32:21 GMT

you know what, i'm tired of you black men thinking that we women are god that we don't make mistakes, we are tired just like you sorry ass motherfuckers, we got kids to take care of, we have't to work 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet because you stupid ass men can't seem to get it together, and what respect do we get NONE, so fuck all of yall, I see women going through psycho shit for a man, and all he do is dog her out, so fuck all of yall I quit. I don't need a white man to make me feel complete, but if it means getting off of this pathetic pedestal you idiots put us on then so be it. Some of us black women do have problems, but why are they any different from, they came from the same fucked up family like some of you.

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Fawn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:33:01 GMT

Thanks for the props, Marcus Trill.

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jakeel — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:37:16 GMT

DeadShot said:
Polow Da Don is speaking that real stuff. It is a shame that our women are attacted to things like money and power even if it is gotten through illegal means (i.e. dope dealing). White women usually don't roll like that. A black woman would rather date someone with money that deals drugs than date a guy attending college that doesn't have a lot of money. The sisters don't think long term. They think short term. The black women is the greatest thing on earth for the black man. Black women hold the key to the survival of the black race. If more black women embrace black men and encourage them to do big things, our race would be so much better.

Nigga you don't no what the fuck you talkin about. I was raised by my mom and my sisters. I have dated white chicks, black chicks and mommies. I think black people need to stop blaming things or people for there situations or problems.White chicks fuck with drug dealers just as much as black chicks or spanish chicks. You just here about it more because of rap music or the media. Polow da don is spitten some knowledge, but it can be very baisis. He was not raised in a enviorment where he had one parent, or needed a strong black women who had no choice but to be independent in order to survive. America is fucked up because it is a race war. Every race want to be ahead, and black americans had to start from below the bottom to rise up. America is not black or white in some cases. America is divided by rich and poor. It's the have nots, verses the haves. Meaning if you are wealthy you will have a tottally different life exsperience in america, than a peron who is broke or living check to check. America is set up in way for the have nots to stay in that situation unless they find a way out. Thats why inner city schools are not as good as schools in the suburbs.Our situation as black people go deeper than our black woman. It starts with our black family's. We need to take family values to the next level and make sure that we succed for our next generation, because things will get worse before they get better if we don't. Think about the kids, our time is up. We are livining for their tomarrow and thier future. I respect polow for bring this issue to the light but people should not go on blaming all of our women for the problem caused by a whole race.

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JaylenRosa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:54:35 GMT

I am so glad that as a professional woman my chances of running into Polow are low. He's not worthy of being anywhere near me.

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Calisgiftmusic.com — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:56:18 GMT

I got to agree with alot of what he saying

myspace.com/kwall

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Get It Together — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:56:30 GMT

I decided to leave a comment to Polo The Dim-Witted comments about "Black" people as a whole. First off I am a CHRISTIAN MARRIED BLACK WOMAN! I wanted to get that straight, so there wouldn't be any misconceptions of what part of the "black" population I make up. The first grievance I have with Dim-Witted is the fact that he decided to group everyone on earth of one particular ethnicity into a derogatory category and call it FACT! That issue only shows the ignorance and idiocy of Dim-Witted! It is very ironic because in part I do agree with Dim-Witted’s comments…I do believe that there are far too many black people today who aren’t putting GOD first in their lives. I believe if we address that root problem first, everything else will fall in line. What I don’t agree with is the fact that he states people should read their bibles and then we will realize that it is the “black woman’s” fault that the entire black race isn’t in sync. I read my bible frequently, first thing I know from it, is it isn’t my place to judge anyone! Secondly, the man is and/or should be the head of the household, which means he should be LEADING his family, not vice versa! It isn’t a woman’s job to lead the household and instead of blaming women for the problems our black society is undergoing, maybe we should face the fact, that if there were more GOD black men who, like Dim-Witted, wasn’t looking for an excuse or crutch, there would be more confident, nurturing submissive black wives and mothers. In addition to that we also need to look at the word “SUBMISSION”: breaking down this word will show you what it actually means…Women need to SUB to a MISSION! Sub meaning secondary or vice to a Mission meaning task or assignment! What I see as the problem is the fact that so many men (not just black men) have no task, assignment or guidance (GODance) in their lives…why should a woman submit to nothing….should we as black women allow any man, just because he is a man lead us astray? I don’t think so, I agree with the roles of a man and woman, but to broadly state that the inequities of all black men can be totally blamed on all black woman is not only foolish, its slandering. I will also say that I agree with his statement about black women shouldn’t be mad over his statement, quite honestly the white man shouldn’t be either! I realized that any woman, be it white or black, that would date Dim-Witted shouldn’t be hated, she should be pitied and prayed for frequently. Now as far as your Oprah comment, Oprah has no children and no husband, so in your opinion that makes her a bad role model? Fine, everyone is respectfully entitled to their stupidity! I’m just posing a question for you, ARE YOU A GOOD ROLE MODEL? Maybe you should listen to the lyrics of your raps…excuse me let me take that back…maybe you should discuss changing the lyrics of your raps with the person who actually writes them because to me, you’re sounding like a hypocrite! You’ve stated that you’ve come from this great family and I’m sure your mother and father are blessed to have been together so long and be so in love, but what about you! You’ve explained that your mother knows her role in her marriage and the dysfunctional black man is a product only of women who didn’t have a father figure for their child and/or wouldn’t allow him to lead them…you supposedly had both, but you appear to be the typical ass snatching, vulgar talking, producer-wanna-be-rapper! You’re leading our young black men astray with your self-purchased lyrics and video content! You’ve stated you’re so respected in the industry, but that’s like saying a bum is so respected by the pigeons! Who are these “industry” individuals that we should put them on a pedestal? What SCHOLAR are you respected by, what BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS man are you respected by and what PASTOR are you respected by? See that is probably your first problem, of all the names that you’ve been given in life, you’ve decided to proclaim to be “The King of White Girls”! I’ll just say…I hope your mother is very proud of her son! You also mentioned Quincy Jones, no disrespect to him but WHO CARES! Who is he or you for that matter that we should negate your sentiments because he’s dated and/or married white women? Honestly instead of attempting to degrade black women you should think about upgrading Polo The Dim-Witted!

Lastly and probably the most important thing….if you’ve read so much…you should have read what BLACK WOMEN ARE KNOWN FOR AS WELL……BEING THE #1 COMSUMERS!!!!! I’VE DECIDED TO PUT IT IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I’M NOT ONLY SCREAMING AT YOU BUT I’M SCREAMING AT MY FELLOW BLACK WOMEN TO BOYCOTT ANY MATERIAL YOU HAVE PRODUCED (OR STOLEN PRODUCTION CREDIT FOR) AND/OR ARE AFFILIATED WITH…AND IF ONLY ONE PERSON DOESN’T BUY YOUR MATERIAL…I’LL BE HAPPY. HOPEFULLY ENOUGH PEOPLE DON’T BUY IT AND THEN YOU WILL REALIZE BEING MEEK AND HUMBLE ARE ATTRIBUTES OF A GODLY MAN….BEING ARROGANT AND WITHOUT HUMILITY ARE WORLDLY ATTRIBUTES…GET IT TOGETHER!!!

Sincerely,
A Christian, Married, Educated Black Woman!

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jakeel — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:11:05 GMT

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jakeel — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:15:22 GMT

yo... SHe aired this nigga out. I co-sign with this woman because she reminds me of my mom, and speaks from a christian black womans view who should not be put in the same category as polow's verson of a black women

Get It Together said:
I decided to leave a comment to Polo The Dim-Witted comments about "Black" people as a whole. First off I am a CHRISTIAN MARRIED BLACK WOMAN! I wanted to get that straight, so there wouldn't be any misconceptions of what part of the "black" population I make up. The first grievance I have with Dim-Witted is the fact that he decided to group everyone on earth of one particular ethnicity into a derogatory category and call it FACT! That issue only shows the ignorance and idiocy of Dim-Witted! It is very ironic because in part I do agree with Dim-Witted’s comments…I do believe that there are far too many black people today who aren’t putting GOD first in their lives. I believe if we address that root problem first, everything else will fall in line. What I don’t agree with is the fact that he states people should read their bibles and then we will realize that it is the “black woman’s” fault that the entire black race isn’t in sync. I read my bible frequently, first thing I know from it, is it isn’t my place to judge anyone! Secondly, the man is and/or should be the head of the household, which means he should be LEADING his family, not vice versa! It isn’t a woman’s job to lead the household and instead of blaming women for the problems our black society is undergoing, maybe we should face the fact, that if there were more GOD black men who, like Dim-Witted, wasn’t looking for an excuse or crutch, there would be more confident, nurturing submissive black wives and mothers. In addition to that we also need to look at the word “SUBMISSION”: breaking down this word will show you what it actually means…Women need to SUB to a MISSION! Sub meaning secondary or vice to a Mission meaning task or assignment! What I see as the problem is the fact that so many men (not just black men) have no task, assignment or guidance (GODance) in their lives…why should a woman submit to nothing….should we as black women allow any man, just because he is a man lead us astray? I don’t think so, I agree with the roles of a man and woman, but to broadly state that the inequities of all black men can be totally blamed on all black woman is not only foolish, its slandering. I will also say that I agree with his statement about black women shouldn’t be mad over his statement, quite honestly the white man shouldn’t be either! I realized that any woman, be it white or black, that would date Dim-Witted shouldn’t be hated, she should be pitied and prayed for frequently. Now as far as your Oprah comment, Oprah has no children and no husband, so in your opinion that makes her a bad role model? Fine, everyone is respectfully entitled to their stupidity! I’m just posing a question for you, ARE YOU A GOOD ROLE MODEL? Maybe you should listen to the lyrics of your raps…excuse me let me take that back…maybe you should discuss changing the lyrics of your raps with the person who actually writes them because to me, you’re sounding like a hypocrite! You’ve stated that you’ve come from this great family and I’m sure your mother and father are blessed to have been together so long and be so in love, but what about you! You’ve explained that your mother knows her role in her marriage and the dysfunctional black man is a product only of women who didn’t have a father figure for their child and/or wouldn’t allow him to lead them…you supposedly had both, but you appear to be the typical ass snatching, vulgar talking, producer-wanna-be-rapper! You’re leading our young black men astray with your self-purchased lyrics and video content! You’ve stated you’re so respected in the industry, but that’s like saying a bum is so respected by the pigeons! Who are these “industry” individuals that we should put them on a pedestal? What SCHOLAR are you respected by, what BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS man are you respected by and what PASTOR are you respected by? See that is probably your first problem, of all the names that you’ve been given in life, you’ve decided to proclaim to be “The King of White Girls”! I’ll just say…I hope your mother is very proud of her son! You also mentioned Quincy Jones, no disrespect to him but WHO CARES! Who is he or you for that matter that we should negate your sentiments because he’s dated and/or married white women? Honestly instead of attempting to degrade black women you should think about upgrading Polo The Dim-Witted!

Lastly and probably the most important thing….if you’ve read so much…you should have read what BLACK WOMEN ARE KNOWN FOR AS WELL……BEING THE #1 COMSUMERS!!!!! I’VE DECIDED TO PUT IT IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I’M NOT ONLY SCREAMING AT YOU BUT I’M SCREAMING AT MY FELLOW BLACK WOMEN TO BOYCOTT ANY MATERIAL YOU HAVE PRODUCED (OR STOLEN PRODUCTION CREDIT FOR) AND/OR ARE AFFILIATED WITH…AND IF ONLY ONE PERSON DOESN’T BUY YOUR MATERIAL…I’LL BE HAPPY. HOPEFULLY ENOUGH PEOPLE DON’T BUY IT AND THEN YOU WILL REALIZE BEING MEEK AND HUMBLE ARE ATTRIBUTES OF A GODLY MAN….BEING ARROGANT AND WITHOUT HUMILITY ARE WORLDLY ATTRIBUTES…GET IT TOGETHER!!!

Sincerely,
A Christian, Married, Educated Black Woman!

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BayBOI — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:40:05 GMT

@GawgaBwoy770

So I hear what you saying bout Oprah and her relationship. But the bottom line is...does her personal life REALLY matter when it comes to being a role model? I guess we both agree on the same ish...it's just that I ain't gone hate on her ability to be a role model...cuz she ain't married, or cuz she doesn't have a man. I got a role models/mentor...but the truth of the matter is I use him for a model on my money making habits...not every aspect of life.

But I get ya. And I ain't mad at what you saying neither. It's just as a people we are so divided....we have to learn to embrace our people as leaders/mentors/role models and not hate on them because there are not perfect...yadadasaying? MLK used to cheat on his wife with other women...white women, and he was a preacher...but does that make him any less of a leader or a Black man? See what I mean?

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:46:25 GMT

At the end of the day women control how the world is populated..There's birth control, abortions(which I don't agree with), and female condoms..So, at the end of the day y'all can make a guy wait until marriage or you have all these ways of preventing bringing kids into this world if you feel the need to have sex before marriage...We have condoms as well but some of our women have deceived us by poking holes in condoms just to get pregnant on purpose..They've stopped taking their birth control pills or shots without telling us..It's a lot of guys that were tricked into being fathers and when it's done that way you will have a problem with the father being around and lets not act like it don't happen or you don't know of one of these stories...We can't make y'all get an abortion but if you get pregnant just to keep a man it'll never work...Why? Because that man feels betrayed..With that child you control the next 18 years of that man life and a lot of black women use that child as a chess piece when dealing with the father. I love our sisters to death bc like Pac said we all came from a woman and the majority of us got our game from a woman..But at the end of the day our black women need to understand if you are going to give away the milk without any commitment there's no need to buy the cow..Make that man respect you and love you the way you should be..Wait until marriage before you put yourself in a position to have kids to ensure that the man will be there for the long haul..I ain't saying don't have sex but if all black women waited until marriage to have kids there wouldn't be as many fatherless black kids...I really don't want to do the comparison thing but it's true and needs to be said..Overall more white women wait until after marriage and if you look at the statistics it shows that less white kids grow up without their father.. That's why it's on the sisters to teach the black men how to wait and not just jump around from woman to woman having kids...That's something that was done to us during slavery and once we were freed it just continued and gradually got worse and worse until we reached this point..The power is in y'all hands just as it is when the abortion topic comes up..A man don't have a say so in that even though 50% of what it took to make that child came from him..So, at the end of the day y'all have the power to make a man wait and y'all also have 100% authority to abort..So, really the power lies within you black women so Polow is right like it or not...

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BayBOI — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:59:45 GMT

oneprettyblackcat said:
HAVE U GONE MAD?????
HOW CAN U AGREE WITH SOMEONE THAT GENERALIZES ALL BLACK WOMEN NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR MAN?

Here's my thing...if you are a Black woman that has your ish together and does not fall in what this man is talking about...you will either A)come to the defense of all Black women or B)say you are not mad cuz although this does not target you, it targets a goos amount of women.

RELAX. The mu' f***a is a PRODUCER of music. You are getting way to worked up about this man's comments. It' one man's opinion.

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DA"X"FACTOR — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:04:32 GMT

Mike Gardner --"the fact that he said his mother is not even black that she is japanese.speaks volumes for his lack of respect for black women.."

First off you obviously didn't read the article thoroughly. The brother didn't say his mother was Japanese. He said she was born in Japan. I have black friends that were born in Japan. That is an assumption on your part. Secondly, don't talk down on this black man for having a voice. He has the right to his opinion. Like Laws456 said:

"Think about it like this, when someone is a heavy sleeper you just can't call their name quietly or in your regular voice. In some cases you've got to walk up to them and scream in their ear or shake them until they wake up. And unfortunately, a lot of Black people in this country need to be shaken or yelled at."

You are being shaken and yelled and still don't get the message. The brother's overall message was on point. We are a confused people and we can be lead because we can't agree on who we want to lead us. We can't even agreed to disagree on this damn forum. Shit is funny!

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ak8032704 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:05:00 GMT

Awh, am I late. What up DC CA$HVILLE,thanks for the shout out...lol.

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JaylenRosa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:05:38 GMT

Well GawgaBwoy770, since I have all this power as a woman, I sure hope you won't call me snobby and stuck-up when I walk past the trash.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:08:02 GMT

@ BayBOI

Oprah wouldn't be criticized like that if she didn't start with the finger pointing..She don't show us young black brothers any love at all..She act like we made the environments we were brought up in and that we shouldn't address the issues with the women we've come across in our lives..It's trifling men and women point blank period. I didn't see her not putting TLC or Destiny Child on her show when they were coming out with all the men hating songs..That's being hypocritical but see that shows me that deep down she really have a problem with us and like I said that problem maybe due to her being raped as a child or Stedmans lack of commitment..But whatever the case may be you can't blame a whole generation of young black men..She's an undercover man hater and deep down I think she is a lesbian but that's not my business..(My opinion and somewhat irrelevant so ladies no need to respond to this)

As for Martin the adultery thing affected us more than you know ..The FBI (J. Edgar Hoover) knew about it as well as the Presidents at the time and they used it against him..That's why Malcolm had problems with Martin because he knew that he was compromising himself for personal reasons..If you listen to Malcolm take on the March on Washington he had a problem with all of that bc he knew that they gave us the signs to carry as we were marching and told us where we could march..So, his cheating did compromise the movement..For a certain period of time Martin was nothing more than the black man in charge of keeping the rest of his in line..Haven't you noticed the white man is always trying to tell us who are leaders are?

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DA"X"FACTOR — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:16:25 GMT

It's all so amazing. Black woman love to hear that they are the mother of the earth, but when you lay the responsibility of that title at their feet they reject it like it's contagious. I learn more and more everyday. The quess the title is only fitting under the most paradisiacal circumstances.

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DA"X"FACTOR — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:20:15 GMT

GawgaBwoy770 ...
" If you listen to Malcolm take on the March on Washington he had a problem with all of that bc he knew that they gave us the signs to carry as we were marching and told us where we could march..So, his cheating did compromise the movement..For a certain period of time Martin was nothing more than the black man in charge of keeping the rest of his in line..Haven't you noticed the white man is always trying to tell us who are leaders are? "

That's was deep.

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ThaGrizzly1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:23:13 GMT

This is a heated debate in here!!! I agree on some of duke is saying but forreal its Divas > Bitches & Hoes any day of the week real talk!

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:41:55 GMT

@ JaylenRosa

Of course not..But i'm neither so it wouldn't apply to me..Let me show you how sisters get the wrong definition of trash though and this is something embedded in y'all minds early in life..Anybody that's from the Chi know about the forest preserves during the summer..When we was lil shorties we use to go up there and play and people would be having picnics and what not and sometimes they'd invite us over to play with them..Well just bc the clothes we had on weren't the best the girls wouldn't talk to us and what not and basically look down on us..We would go back home after the playing and get fresh with our new gear and shoes..The same lil girls that had their noses up an hour or so earlier was all in our face like we were a different person..That's the same way a lot of black women are now as adults..A man can just get off work looking a lil ragged or whatever but instead of focusing on his personality if she come across him out and about she'll just focus on the clothes he's wearing or the car he's driving which could be his work vehicle..Now if they were to happen to bump into each other later in the day once he has had time to get fresh that same woman that was acting stuck up and snobbish would be the same one acting like they old friends..So, be careful on how you define trash..

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ak8032704 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:44:42 GMT

"Black women have done this to themselves. Well I'm not going to say that. They didn't do it to themselves, but they are a part of the cycle, which means they're not helping the situation by not looking at the problem."

You can't help anyone who doesn't want to help themselves.
PERIOD

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Da1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:56:53 GMT

see, at first i aint wanna comment because so many of the ladies were gettin upset so i sat back and just listened to what ya said. and ima have to agree wit Polow on everything.

now first of all, im a female and im black. so i can say that a first reaction is gonna be a big "NO HE DIDNT" and thats understandable ladies. buh ya gotta read between the lines and listen to what the man is tryna say.

the first thing ya see is King of White Girls and im going on and on about black women taking submission as weakness and white women taking it as being a woman. It makes alot of sense to me, i mean im wit Polow 100% on this one.

Why are black women getting upset for him saying he's the King of WW? I dont think we should because if thats what he likes, thats what he likes. When we get upset and we cuss and say "Oh, FucK Polow", we make him and other black men wanna date other races of women.

See, black women are stereotyped to being loudmouths that dont know how to shut up, like to snap they fingers, roll they eyes, and talk out of their necks. All we doing by being angry at this man is proving the stereotype as TRUE.

Don't be mad, this man ain't pre-judging black women. He even said he likes all kinds of women. He's just giving his opinion on black women vs. white women. Everyone does it (in their minds) and so once Polow comes out and speaks about it, we UPSET?

Nah, we gotta show him why black women are strong and why we are submissive... to a point.

We can go to school full-time and have a job and still balance a family. That's what a black woman can do. That's what Black woman do. Let's not be angry, let's show him that we can have an opinion too, lady-like.

It's plenty of misconceptions out there about us. It affects our perspectives and the way we view men. But a black man liking white women shouldn't make us lose hope on all our black men. It shouldn't make us lose hope at all. Black men are gonna like the type of women they wanna like. Period.

You don't see them tripping when a black woman dates a white man. They just be like "On To The Next One". Lets do the same.

Just my opinion on the matter. Don't get offended. It's a thread where you speak your mind. And that's why I agree with Polow, he's just telling it like it is. Bekky

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:11:31 GMT

GawgaBwoy770 said:
Anybody that's from the Chi know about the forest preserves during the summer..

(my nicca you from the CHI,, I used to have smoke outs at the forest preserves in MAYWOOD,, damn i'm home sick now lol

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ak8032704 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:14:50 GMT

I don't think anyone is mad at the king of the white girls comment. Didn't care either way about that one. And didn't have to much to say about any of the other points he hit on either. Only the the fact that in the orginal, so much pressure was placed on the black woman. As if black women don't get that enough. In the second interview, it was much better, more infansis on "us,we". But to point out the flaws in one and not the other, I think would be wrong.

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:34:57 GMT

ak8032704 said:
But to point out the flaws in one and not the other, I think would be wrong

@Fawn Renee

( you think you can interveiw a female so we can get there side?)

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BlackPeople 1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:45:52 GMT

emphasis

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:50:05 GMT

@ King High Pimpn

Yea, I stayed on 60th May off Racine..But the forest preserve i'm talking about is right next to my cousins house over by 83rd and Hamilton..We use to ride our bikes and shit up to Evergreen Plaza when I kicked it over there too..One of my uncles stayed up the street from Mr T mama in Maywood..

@ak8032704

I feel what you are saying but it has to start somewhere..If a woman would've said the same things it wouldn't be as much said and you know it..I think women just hate hearing it from a man more than anything..

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Teedoe3 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:53:13 GMT

Polow was real for being the one celeb to finally come out and say these things to open all of the eyes and minds of the youth. The truth hurts and that's why those negative comments are coming at him like that. But I give Polow BIG UPS for being that dude. Keep doing your thing pimpin'.

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ak8032704 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:56:44 GMT

haha@emphasis- thank you for being my spell check.

true @ king high
true @ gawgbwoy

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BayBOI — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:02:03 GMT

@Da1

Good job lil sis. That was a tremendous post. That's wassup.

@ak8032704

You are definitely correct in the sense that it would be irresposnsible to diagnosis problems that are just wrong with sisters. But if you look at cuzo from Gawga's post to me about Oprah...he just made a very good point about she spends a lot of time talking down on Black men...much more than Black people and Black women.

You, along with a lot of women on this thread, are overeacting to a certain extent. I ain't mad at a woman for being sensitive, cuz y'all are made differently from a man...butt here is nothing wrong with taking medecine if the ish is good for you.

@GawgaBwoy770

You are right about Oprah (sticking it to young black men)...no doubt. But she is still a solid role model for women mayne. Just like we jumpin on Black women in this forum...she has the right to jump on us cuz a lot of us don't have they ish together. You can't be mad at her...just like these women should not be mad ad D the P. Cuz for the most part...she spits truth...it's just focused at us. I don't agree wuith everything that comes out her mouth...but just cuz she focuses on Black men don't mean she is a manhater. I personally agree with you about the lesbo ish (I think she's bisexual), but I don't think she's a manhater, cuz she celebrates a lot of men that do the damn thang on her show too.

If we can let these Black women know wassup here, she can use her show to air us out too. If you love someone and our not happy with what you see...you air them out. That's wassup. I personally think Oprah loves Black men.

And you just GAMED me up on MLK. I already knew Malcolm wasn't feelin him...but the whole WW component was enlightening my nig. One love.

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Get It Together — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:14:21 GMT

I decided to leave a comment to Polo The Dim-Witted comments about "Black" people as a whole. First off I am a CHRISTIAN MARRIED BLACK WOMAN! I wanted to get that straight, so there wouldn't be any misconceptions of what part of the "black" population I make up. The first grievance I have with Dim-Witted is the fact that he decided to group everyone on earth of one particular ethnicity into a derogatory category and call it FACT! That issue only shows the ignorance and idiocy of Dim-Witted! It is very ironic because in part I do agree with Dim-Witted’s comments…I do believe that there are far too many black people today who aren’t putting GOD first in their lives. I believe if we address that root problem first, everything else will fall in line. What I don’t agree with is the fact that he states people should read their bibles and then we will realize that it is the “black woman’s” fault that the entire black race isn’t in sync. I read my bible frequently, first thing I know from it, is it isn’t my place to judge anyone! Secondly, the man is and/or should be the head of the household, which means he should be LEADING his family, not vice versa! It isn’t a woman’s job to lead the household and instead of blaming women for the problems our black society is undergoing, maybe we should face the fact, that if there were more GOD fearing black men who, like Dim-Witted, wasn’t looking for an excuse or crutch, there would be more confident, nurturing submissive black wives and mothers. In addition to that we also need to look at the word “SUBMISSION”: breaking down this word will show you what it actually means…Women need to SUB to a MISSION! Sub meaning secondary or vice to a Mission meaning task or assignment! What I see as the problem is the fact that so many men (not just black men) have no task, assignment or guidance (GODance) in their lives…why should a woman submit to nothing….should we as black women allow any man, just because he is a man lead us astray? I don’t think so, I agree with the roles of a man and woman, but to broadly state that the inequities of all black men can be totally blamed on all black woman is not only foolish, its slandering. I will also say that I agree with his statement about black women shouldn’t be mad over his statement, quite honestly the white man shouldn’t be either! I realized that any woman, be it white or black, that would date Dim-Witted shouldn’t be hated, she should be pitied and prayed for frequently. Now as far as your Oprah comment, Oprah has no children and no husband, so in your opinion that makes her a bad role model? Fine, everyone is respectfully entitled to their stupidity! I’m just posing a question for you, ARE YOU A GOOD ROLE MODEL? Maybe you should listen to the lyrics of your raps…excuse me let me take that back…maybe you should discuss changing the lyrics of your raps with the person who actually writes them because to me, you’re sounding like a hypocrite! You’ve stated that you’ve come from this great family and I’m sure your mother and father are blessed to have been together so long and be so in love, but what about you! You’ve explained that your mother knows her role in her marriage and the dysfunctional black man is a product only of women who didn’t have a father figure for their child and/or wouldn’t allow him to lead them…you supposedly had both, but you appear to be the typical ass snatching, vulgar talking, producer-wanna-be-rapper! You’re leading our young black men astray with your self-purchased lyrics and video content! You’ve stated you’re so respected in the industry, but that’s like saying a bum is so respected by the pigeons! Who are these “industry” individuals that we should put them on a pedestal? What SCHOLAR are you respected by, what BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS man are you respected by and what PASTOR are you respected by? See that is probably your first problem, of all the names that you’ve been given in life, you’ve decided to proclaim to be “The King of White Girls”! I’ll just say…I hope your mother is very proud of her son! You also mentioned Quincy Jones, no disrespect to him but WHO CARES! Who is he or you for that matter that we should negate your sentiments because he’s dated and/or married white women? Honestly instead of attempting to degrade black women you should think about upgrading Polo The Dim-Witted!

Lastly and probably the most important thing….if you’ve read so much…you should have read what BLACK WOMEN ARE KNOWN FOR AS WELL……BEING THE #1 COMSUMERS!!!!! I’VE DECIDED TO PUT IT IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I’M NOT ONLY SCREAMING AT YOU BUT I’M SCREAMING AT MY FELLOW BLACK WOMEN TO BOYCOTT ANY MATERIAL YOU HAVE PRODUCED (OR STOLEN PRODUCTION CREDIT FOR) AND/OR ARE AFFILIATED WITH…AND IF ONLY ONE PERSON DOESN’T BUY YOUR MATERIAL…I’LL BE HAPPY. HOPEFULLY ENOUGH PEOPLE DON’T BUY IT AND THEN YOU WILL REALIZE BEING MEEK AND HUMBLE ARE ATTRIBUTES OF A GODLY MAN….BEING ARROGANT AND WITHOUT HUMILITY ARE WORLDLY ATTRIBUTES…GET IT TOGETHER!!!

Sincerely,
A Christian, Married, Educated Black Woman!

Please feel free to email me at get_it_together227@yahoo.com

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:15:26 GMT

@ BayBOI

Yea, I agree and I think that everyone should play their role..Men should stop influencing our young brothers the wrong way and the same goes for women whether you are a mother or father..We have to lead by example and take back control over our communities..

I got a question for y'all that i've asked a few friends..Don't ask me what made me think of this but sometimes I just zone out and think about different things affecting us as black people..

Do you think forcing integration was the right thing to do? Think about your answer and i'll put my spin on it after I get a few responses

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ak8032704 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:21:03 GMT

to each, his or her own
overaction or a statement of opinion

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ak8032704 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:29:26 GMT

wow @ get it together : )

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BayBOI — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:37:01 GMT

@GawgaBwoy770

Yeah. Cuz 30 to 40 years ago...racism was blatant out in the open. Once integration happened...racism got smarter and went underground and it's more difficult to point out...so I can see where you are going with this. Government and the media can be slick with their ish and it's easier to feed to people's minds through the idiot box.

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j.johnson — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:45:48 GMT

spaceagediva said:

In Interracial relationships...yeah, love sees no color but in any relationship you must RELATE!!!! I dont know of any white women picking cotton and slave master coming in the fields raping and abusing them!!!

nobody on this earth living at the present time picked cotton or was put in captivity. You dont know how that feels either. Slavery was fucked up but its over, the physical part at least anyway.Dont forget it happened, but progress and move forward. Im so sick of people yell we were slaves we were slaves.Thats not the worst part of it, the economical divide is worst.The racism is worst.The systematical racism and classism, and social stauts has more lasting effects than the 400 years of labor. We should complain about that becuase that is what we are facing right now.No one living right now was a slave or slave owner, so i hate when people try to use this as an example as if they lived it.

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JaylenRosa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:46:44 GMT

GawgaBwoy770, trash to me is someone who doesn't have it together. No motivation, just letting life pass him by. Not doing anything. Shiftless. That's trash.

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syheem — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:00:09 GMT

who the fuck is polow the don

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Get It Together — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:06:20 GMT

I received an email from someone whose main argument was about women attempting to force men to have children without their consent! I’m not sure (I’m intelligent I know damn well what the answer is), but I didn’t think Polow’s comments had anything to do with that issue! I’m saying that to say…whoever sent me the email…if you expect me to have a legitimate discussion with you in regards to this issue….try to stay on the issue!

Get It Together

Get_it_together227@yahoo.com

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:22:19 GMT

@ BayBOI

Check this out..Every since we forced integration we've had all kinds of problems..First the AIDS epidemic came which was created by the government and they used us to experiment on just like with the Tuskegee situation..Shortly after came the crack era, which was started by who? Our government again specifically the CIA..The slap in the face came when Nancy Reagan came out with the "Just say no" campaign when her husband had a lot to do with the influx of drugs as well..He was tied into that whole Iran-Contra thing too as well as the Bush family...The guns and violence took off like a space shuttle by then and who helped flood our neighborhoods with the guns?? Our government again...No conspiracy theories bc all of this is documented and no one was ever arrested for the drugs and guns except who?? Black/Hispanic men and women..

Also by integrating we started at the bottom of White America which had already been established for a couple of hundred years..If we would've fought for equality but stayed segregated we could've had control of the businesses and the land in our communities and wouldn't be getting moved around like sheep..They are basically telling us as a whole where we can live..Look at the inner cities of America and it don't look the same bc they've herded us to where they want us to live..Now look at Asians and the way they did it..They have control of their businesses and their land..They have Chinatowns in damn near every major city..I don't see any Negrotowns anywhere but we do have ghettos and who owns that land ?The government the majority of the time and if ain't them it's white slum lords...They treat us the same as they did the Native Americans by herding us whenever they feel like it..Just a thought but I think we would've done better by building from within and making them come to us..

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vgeezy — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:30:09 GMT

As a professional Black woman I am disgusted by the women on this site offering their opinions and they have pictures posted up damn near naked!!!That's is what is the problem with a lot of black women they allways got their legs open and no clothes on....First of all respect yourself and others and clothed so you can inspire respect from any man whatever color he may be.....I agree with Polow on his sentiments about the differences in the cultures....

@gwain770 i can't remember your exact screen name...u say that women are to blame for opening their legs with these dudes with bad intentions then they leave black women...First off if a man stops falling into any and everything and making a child then deserting it then most of these issues would be resolved.

A man makes a decision to make a child then he leaves the woman. WHATEVER KIND OF WOMAN A MAN LAYS WITH THAT IS WHO HE IS..period

If any man lays with a skank and gets her pregnant then he still have an obligation to stay and raise that child......That is the difference between a man and a boy.

Black women are the strongest women in the world period. We are making our own money and doing big things while most black men are behind us in socials status, money, intellect and most other areas.

I agree when a black women see a man she should see his character and not his looks or his money..

On the same token you men look at these hoes out here and wife her because she gives "good head" or she keeps her legs open!!!

When you black men see us if we are not representing ourselves as hoes.......Then we are labeled as high siddy...

How many men on this side knows how to treat a lady? How many of you men know that when you go on a date with a WOMAN when you to to pick her up you are to bring flowers or candy or some small gift? That's being a gentlemen which most black men know nothing about.

Sure go to the white women/Asians/others they only want you if you have MONEY or Status...They didn't want your ass when you were broke or had nothing.......You had a sista holding ur all up......didn't you

Peace

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:40:30 GMT

@ Get It Together

Wow, everybody else on here read that same post but they didn't get the same thing from it...That alone shows me that you don't read or you have a problem interpreting things..Overall that post pertained to women being accountable for the men they are dealing with so they don't have to use bs to get the man to stay..Make the man respect you first and he'll be there for the long haul..You took something real small and concentrated on just that one thing the same way you did Polow article..I'm not going to respond to anything else you submit and it's clear to see why no one else really has...Also, the cycle can't be broken if the kids continue to be raised in broken homes and if you go back and read it again you'll see why my points are important and very much valid..You need to learn cause and effect and maybe what he said and what I said will make things a lot more clear for you and then you'd be able to get it together..

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Get It Together — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:43:56 GMT

GawgaBwoy770....I agree and dissagree with your statement.

I do believe that is some ways segregation hurt us as a people, but I believe it's because we didn't take it as an opportunity to develop our own place in this society. For so many years we were just happy to be treated like human and not animals, we didn't realize so much time and opportunity was passing without advancement for our people. In my opinion one of the biggest problems is we are a scared ethnic group...take for example you have a friend that gets a good job as a manager of some company making good money...he gets his foot in the door and instead of helping you out...he'd hire a white person so his boss wouldn't feel like he's integrated his company with a bunch of black employees or he is so scared of the success you may have at the company...he doesn't help because he doesn't want you to out shine him. That is the biggest difference in our ethnic group opposed to any other. Be it White, Mexican or Nese (u know Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese)...they always help there people out....if they come to this country if doesn't matter if 30 sleep in one house because they know as soon as one of those 30 make....there going to help the other 29! We've been trained to over-appreciate the little things....just like a new pair of white sneaks....you are so careful not to get them dirty or lose them cause their your fresh whites....we treat everything in life that way....it's like we are scared to take risk because we are so happy someone gave us a chance!

get_it_together227@yahoo.com

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Get It Together — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:54:12 GMT

GawgaBwoy770...honestly it's ironic that you are the only person who interpreted his article as pertaining to women trying to force men to have children...maybe we've all read a different article from you. Maybe your reading about the life and times of Mr. DG's baby momma drama, but what Polow was referring wasn't black women poking holes in condoms or lying about taking birth control pills. He said we don't know our roles...he stated we have a problem with submitting so when we have a man he leaves or doesn't play his part because we have issues....READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN....ASK FOR HELP WHERE NEED....THEN LMFAO (LUV THE WAY YOU STOLE MY MOTTO)....GET IT TOGETHER!

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:58:48 GMT

@ vgeezy

If those skanks(as you call them) get pregnant how is that man to know it's his child when she's sleeping with multiple guys and she don't really know who the father is herself? Exactly...I don't believe that shit about you are who you sleep with bc it ain't too many women i've come across that haven't had a one night stand at some point in their life but that don't necessarily make them a bad person...Think about that one before you reply and be real to yourself..

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Get It Together — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:03:17 GMT

Lol...Gawg...I think your biggest problem is the company you keep. I'm mean gosh dang...do you know any positive black women? You make me want to introduce myself to you!

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Get It Together — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:06:36 GMT

Also...call me naive but how exactly does a women even get an opportunity to poke holes in your condom...I mean lmfao I thought that was an urban myth that sorry men used when they explained the other baby on the way to their "real" girlfriend"......OOOh babe you know I didn't go raw in her.....she poked holes in my shit...lmfao....get serious!

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Mika — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:07:53 GMT

Polow arguments are ignorant in that he only addresses one side of the problem. If you are going to use your rising fame to enlighten the masses on the issues of Black America, then you must wholly address ALL SIDES of the situation. First, Polow seems to place most blame on sistas. How can sistas take the blame for dope boys, the disintegration of the Black family and more? First, no one becomes a dope boy for the girls. Girls might be the added bonus but females are not driving boys to dope. Boys are training boys to push that shit. Secondly, you cannot say in the same breath that men don't have their shit together and women won't submit. REAL TALK, No female in her right mind is going to submit to a brotha that doesn't have his shit together. The reason she won't submit is because she can't. She has to try and make up for what is lacking. Gone are the days of yesteryears when the women cooked, cleaned and raised your kids. Why? Because today, we have to take our ass to work. Just as men like to come home and relax after a long day of work, so do we. We cannot do it all. So until brothas rise to the ocassion and get educated, a good job and take care of the family. Women will finally be able to fall back and cook dinner, clean the house and raise the kids.

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EF Cuttin — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:16:39 GMT

WOW!!!! This is the best discussion I've read on here!!!! The problem is simple: NOBODY likes 2 be called out, but sometimes that's what U gotta do. We as Black men are fully aware of our faults(we see it 6pm every day), and dude addressed some. Why are the women acting like NONE of his comments are valid? Why do women resort 2 shaming tactics when they dont agree? I DJ'ed 4 Mia X last nite and she closed her show with this call 2 Black women:"We must treat each other as women better!!! Most of us are single parents, and our seeds pick up everything we do/say.And when we go 'round sayin"fuck dat hoe/bitch, that bitch aint shit,etc. Your seeds are gonna pick it up, and go
on in life thinking that its OK". Since most of our black men were raised by our mothers, they feminize their emotions, thats why most ni99as react the way women react to easily resolved situations(degrading the object of their anger, fighting, threats,
shitty attitude).No need 2 bash me, U know I'm right.
GawgaBoy770, KingHiPimpin,and anybody else who used their 3rd eye when reading/schooling those without understanding, Keep
shining!!!!!! Slowpokes eventually finish the race,Just keep bustin they head w/knowledge!!!
PS-Polow said his mom was from Japan,Not that she was Japanese!!Black people are all over the world people,only we american ones are 2 arrogant/stupid 2 acknowledge that!!

FREE MYCHAL BELL!!!!!!
FREE THE JENA 6!!!
COP NY OIL!!!!!!!!!!

MEET ME IN JENA 9/20!!!!!!SHOW UP OR HOE UP!!!!!!!

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:21:23 GMT

@ Get It Together

I apolgize for the way I came at you earlier but you aren't getting the bigger picture..It's not as cut and dry as you make it seem..The same applies to my question on integration...What about glass ceilings? Can't deny that it don't still exist but in the meantime here is my response from yesterday but I told you that you don't read or you would've caught this

She is in the same room and she knows it's some truth to what he said bc we discuss different issues that's affecting our generation as a couple and we've talked about both of these articles..To be completely honest we had the same problem that Polow is talking about due to her lack of trust in all black men bc of her poor choices in men before me..That's not my fault but I had to tear down that wall and explain to her it wasn't just the men at fault..She played her part in the situation as well and nobody held a gun to her head and made her stay with them..She's thankful to have me in her life bc I stayed when I could've left due to her lack of trust...I lived in a different state while she was pregnant but I made every doctor visit..If I hadn't known her as a friend prior to us dating I probably wouldn't have done as much to make it work..She could've easily pushed away a good man bc of bad decisions she made in men..Too many women carry around those bad choices in men and take it out on the next man...When anybody man or woman keep having the same problem with the people they are dating they have to come to the realization that it's their fault....For the record, I was raised by strong black women but I also had some trifling women in my family as well and I've come across my fair share of trifling women....I saw how the women in my family who made men respect them got treated and I saw how the others who didn't got treated..I'm not the type to sugarcoat anything and it is what it is at the end of the day..By the way, I don't think your husband would like you introducing yourself to me..

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JaylenRosa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:26:19 GMT

I agree, Get It Together. It's all about the company you keep. You hang out with trashy women, you deal with trashy issues.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:28:00 GMT

@ Get It Together

I guess it's an urban myth when women say i'm on the pill or taking shots and still come up pregnant...See the problem is women don't come across a lot of these women bc most black women can't stand each other..Now tell me i'm generalizing if you want and I bet the majority of black women who aren't married have more platonic male friends than female friends..Why? Bc most black women don't trust each other..Hell, y'all bad mouth each other more than we ever could..

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Real-Life — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:29:01 GMT

First off, I am Black and love my Black women to death. I don't agree with everything polo has to say, but dude makes some decent points. "Most" not all Black women are contributing to their own negative situations.

1. Good Black men exsist, it's just ya'll dont want them.

Hood is Hood, I can go to any hood in America and present 2 different Black Males with equal looks,

A. - One is a Decent guy, College educated, decent 9-5(40 hrs a week). Has alittle to drink on the weekends, well spoken, loves his family, has a few friends, reads and goes to church sometimes, No crazy ex's or baby mama's.

B. - The other guy, Decent guy also, but barely finished high school, no consistant job, Drinks & smokes often, deals drugs or is involved in other illegal scams, loves dealing with multiple women at one time, curses in every sentence, and has broken relationships with his family & friends.

This is the funny part right here - Now who do you think 9 out 10 women would choose??? lol.

Obviously choose "B." Now ima be fare, most women over 30 who are over not married, by now; have seen the error in their previously self-destructive ways and probally would choose guy "A".

Now lady's it's very important that you be honest with yourselves. you can not complain about how bad men are if your are consently picking poor men, DUH!!!, Let me say this again "YOU ARE PICKING" - women have the luxery of hand picking a mate, by getting hollerd at on a daily basis. Men pretty much have to work for our mate, Not just look pretty(Men know what Im talking about).

Obviously, choice "B" will not be a good man to start a family with

Obviously, choice "B" will not treat you with the respest you deserve, when he doesn't respest himself or others.

Keep it real lady's, ya'll don't like Nice or Good guys. You think him working, respecting and taking care of you is boring. You might be right, but aleast the bills will be paid, your stomach will be full, and you and your kids will have a roof over your head.

This is what a man aspires to provide his "women" and family.

If you want a thug, get a good man a bring the thug out of him, trust, it's in there. Lady's you are the back bone of the black family structure, you have more power than you realize but your wasting it on self-destructive behavior.

P.S. You can't expect to have a REAL man if you are not a REAL women, Like it or not ITS THE TRUTH. denial is a disease.

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BayBOI — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:35:52 GMT

@GawgaBwoy770

Those were some real good points my nig. I see what you saying. Get it together..u were spittin some pretty decent game too (when you ain't all charged up!)

Hindsight is 20/20 my nig..and your ish is bout 20/10. Now it's all about moving forward...uzasmart dude...I expect you to do big thangs for yaself and your community.

@Get It Together

Hold it together sista. LOL! U getting way too worked up by reading D the P's interview and a few ni**as agreeing with him. As long as we moving together as a unit and Black women can look in the mirror at their faults and accept that a certain percentage of them are being described by D the P...what's really the problem?

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FlyBoi Wiggie P — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:52:44 GMT

my nigg GawgaBwoy770 gittin em lol haha wassup brah.

But 4 real, i done said dis after readin da last article n imma say it again, Polow speakin da truth. I kno a African nigga n he like african-americans aint respected by dem kauze we aint got no values n dat shit tru to an extent, we b on sum dumb shit 4real. why erytime u look, chinese ppl b gittin dey money, jewish folk gittin dey money, kauze dey all stickin together, if u tryin to look out for ALL your ppl, erybody gon git a piece of da bread, but we da only ones tryin to bring down da next nigga dat tryin to do him. 4real, black folk need to git dey shit together.
READ GODDAMN!! LOL

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:06:40 GMT

@ FlyBoi Wiggie P

Just trying to give some insight to help clean up our communities..You right about the other races too bc we constantly speaking negative on each other but get mad when another race do it..We don't stick by each other until some Don Imus type shit happen..That's some ol publicity shit and like I said when it happened they probably heard the same thing at the club a million times before then..

@ BayBOI

I appreciate that bruh and I look for you to do the same things in your community..Check this out though..I thought about trying to put together a website strictly to discuss issues like these and try to come to conclusions and maybe eventually set up alliances around the country..Something I'd like to do in the near future..

This for all my people..I have this book of on conspiracy theories that's real and from what I heard the guy that supposedly wrote it got killed a week after it came out..The name of the book is "Behold the Pale Horse"...It talk about a lot of government conspiracies and some things are backed up with actual documents..

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JaylenRosa — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:20:43 GMT

Some of you must hang with trash or that's all you see. That sucks.

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:33:38 GMT

GawgaBwoy770 said:
@ King High Pimpn

Yea, I stayed on 60th May off Racine..But the forest preserve i'm talking about is right next to my cousins house over by 83rd and Hamilton..We use to ride our bikes and shit up to Evergreen Plaza when I kicked it over there too..One of my uncles stayed up the street from Mr T mama in Maywood..

(aye you might know off the party line,, That shyt was big in chicago,,i use to hang on 79th and dorchester,,,I miss chicago,,but its too many nicca's there with nothing to do but hate on somebody trying to some positive)

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:58:34 GMT

@ JaylenRosa

Have you ever lived outside of your state? Bc I'm not saying it's like that everywhere I've ever lived but in some places the climate is just different..Have you ever lived in or around a military town where nothing else existed? If you have then you'd know what I mean but it's not just in those places..I've lived in places where there were more women than men and i've also lived in places where there were more men than women..Both times the larger group lowered their standards...Things change when it's 10 guys to every female...If you don't think you'd lower your standards if it was the other way around you're lying to yourself...As human beings it's natural for us to adjust to the environment

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MOE925 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:02:39 GMT

Not gonna make a long ass paragraph...

Dude made some good points. No matter what anyone posts in here...nobody is ever gonna totally agree with it. You have to take what you can from it and leave the rest. Do not let it upset you because it is only his opinion. But whatever you say about it...his intentions were to help, not hurt black people.

And that is just my opinion

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:03:22 GMT

@ King High Pimpn

I moved from up there when I was young but I still visited every summer up until high school..Nowadays I make it up there every few years or so..Every time I go back up there I have to get a hoagie, pizza puff, Leon's bbq and Harold's chicken...Damn, I just made myself hungry thinking about it..But yea, I feel you on the hating part bc damn near everyone of my cousins have been shot and all of us have been at the wrong spot at the wrong time and almost caught some strays..Shots ring out on the Southside every 30 minutes to an hour like a church bell..

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King High Pimpn — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:26:34 GMT

GawgaBwoy770 said:
hoagie, pizza puff, Leon's bbq and Harold's chicken..

(aye you forgot about italian beef with hot or sweet peppers dipped, since I been down here i'm yet to taste some real mild sauce. lol damn a nicca want some coleman's rib tips now.

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katttdaddy2 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:31:43 GMT

What's good GawgaBwoy770 ?

I see you got on your cap and gown takin 'em to school like all day ! Nuff respect my brotha ! I've been workin' all day and couldn't jump in, but I been checkin the wisdom and you've been the only one puttin all this in it's true perspective. Alot of folks feel exactly like you, I and Polow do but until now didn't really voice it like we are now.

Some sistas (and I'm shocked at how many) actually do get real drift of his point. To you folks I commend you.

To the rest, I say all you are really douing is picking at little bits and peices of stuff that he said that you don't like, instead of consuming the whole pie and gaining insight into what he's saying ?

Most of you naysayers start off with, "Yeah, I agree with alot of what he says, but this one thing right here" ???

So shallow......get deep people. Look at the big picture at what he sayin and stop with the knit-picking. Stop with "he's generalizing all sistas" CR@PP ! Stop pointing back and saying well these brothas out here need to do X ! Just stop !

Everyone in here, look at yourself and look where "you yourself" can be terre in any area he mentioned.

Bottom line, this is a war of cultures with the black community now, and I have chosen my side !

Like Chris Rock said.......: "Black folks vs. Nyggas" !

Choose sides now !

Kattt

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BlackPeople 1 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:34:18 GMT

georgia boy

that shit is real
I forgot the dude's name
but he does have some live speeches available on google videos and youtube.

but yo, what ever is up with that site you're imagining, I'm down.

(and I'm down to boycott something)

lemme know and stay on it on Tuesday.

yo, y'all have a nice weekend.

Ay, georgia if you up on a pale white horse then you may also enjoy the secret covenant.

I posted it a couple of weeks ago.

But lemme know what's up with the site. Shit, I'll even be a regular contributor for you.

throwin out some names...

blackissues dot com
hoodissues dot com

beforetheracistmeltdowns dot com (jokes)

I gotta be out

-Black People

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Presidential — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:39:50 GMT

I just read thru every single post on here and have come to the conclusion that as a percentage, the majority of sistas who bothered to state their opinion approached it from a defensive outlook. Meaning, your pride is effecting your ability to wrestle with the information objectively. Some of you brothas took offense too and your responses were mostly ignorant displays of negative vulgarity.

It's okay to have unconditional love for your people, I know I do, but you have to admit that we're pretty fucked up in general. I'm sure we brothas all love it when a sista calls us "Kings" and lord knows sistas love when we call them "Queens", but reality check....we are both far from perfect. Polow wasn't blaming anybody for our present condition. He was pointing out the factors that attribute to why sistas have their unique strength and sass, how much REAL power they possess to effect change within our family's and cultural structure. He also was pointing out how so many black men are lost chasing an American Dream that's been sold to them, thinking it brings power and hoping it impresses our women in this capitalist/materialistic society, but it holds no weight.

I think the spark that will bring change starts with a dialogue just like this one we're having, but you can't close yourself off to it and just keep throwing blame at each other. Try and think about what things he said ring true and then think on what you can do in your household or personal life to assist that positive change. Me personally, if I have a daughter in the future...I'll be sure to represent the kind of man she should look to marry. Instilling in her the ability to recognize substance versus extravagance. If I have a son, I would teach him that there's more to being a black man in American than owning fuckin' rims, watches, chains, and holdin' heat. And that the women that are worth somethin' will appreciate him for who he is, not his status or bankroll. Just a thought.......... if you're so proud to be black, show it. Do your part to make positive change for our people.

Truly,
Presidential

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GawgaBwoy770 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:50:57 GMT

@ katttdaddy2

What's good with you pimpin? For the most part even the sistas agree but the ones that don't are the ones that have husbands and they did handle things the right way..They arguing for no reason bc they actions show they really agree.

@King High Pimpn

Yea, I forgot about the Italian sausages..They had a Hot Dog Heaven in Orlando right up the street from my job..I know you know about the Chicago dogs too..

@ BlackPeople 1

Lol, at that last name..Good looking out on that other book too..I'll keep you informed and it may take some time but I think it would work with all the people I could get from off of here and myspace..

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katttdaddy2 — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:43:39 GMT

@ GawgaBwoy770

Man, we should be talkin about this shyte every damn day until it's fixed ! This is one of the most fruitful discussions I've ever had with a group of sista's and brothas.

This is the type of stuff that will indeed move us forward. Little did we know that we have a silent majority among us that actually recognize where we are f@#$kin' up !

I start with me, I grew up in NYC till I was 15, then moved to Cali and have been here ever since. I'm in my 30's now. I've seen a whole lot.From the crips and bloods, to the L.A. riots and beyond, everything has shaped my opinions.

I've lived this long and realized how things really should be. I still can't believe the hostility towards Polow's comments, but in a way I understand it. No one since Bill Cosby has had the b.allz to talk this way to us.We need it.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:14:37 GMT

@ katttdaddy2

I hear you pimping..Most of my homebwoys kind of think like me so we are a small minority that actually have our own lil book club..We pass everything around from Rich Dad Poor Dad, Who moved my Cheese, Pursuit of Happiness, Iceberg Slim, Donald Goins, Kevin Liles, and Alex Haley.. I have books I read for pleasure and enlightenment...But if you haven't read Pursuit of Happiness check it out bc it's a lot better than the movie. I got this book called "True Vine" written by a guy from Chicago by the name of John Fountain...This man went through a lot of obstacles just like old boy from Pursuit to get to where he's at and it's definitely worth checking out..Sometimes it makes you feel good as a black man to know you ain't the only one that had it hard..

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katttdaddy2 — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:42:42 GMT

@ GawgaBwoy770

I feel you on that bruh, real talk. I'm gonna check it out. Most of us had it hard, or had to struggle at some point to get where you're at if you are anywhere with yourself in life right now. I used to run the streets of LA when it was wild like the movie colors ! Alot of my friends didn't make it, only a few did, and we are all close. One just got out from doing a 16 year bid !

I got out the game, took my @ss to school, and made a career for myself (Believe it or not, I now work for a law firm in LA lol !)
I'm glad when I see homies that I used to run with at 17, having jobs and families and shyte. We can chill, have a lil bar-b-que and talk about old times. We look at how some folks move today and shake our heads sayin, "They are gonna have to learn the hard way".

We cannot alow ourselves to lose our minds to ignorance, give in to stereotypical behavior, nor have a confrontational manner about us and call it strength. (Yes, that last one was for the sistas) We must overcome our resistance to change, and reluctance to modify our mindset about everything.

I want the best for my people, I want us to evolve past all the negativity of the past. I want to change the perception of "American" black people worldwide (I'm half Jamaican, born over there) I start with me, being a productive member of society, be an example of a black male that's out there doin it right. We are all far from perfect, but that doesn't give us an excuse not to try.

Peace

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ak8032704 — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:42:43 GMT

Back from class. Read your post Presidential, and with you explaination...I agree. I'm out.

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Shonuffiswhite — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:16:16 GMT

Ok. Hold up. I've been reading all this bs forever, and have not yet heard anyone say a f**king word about the s**t he said about white women. Does anyone actually think that we're raised to think that we "look at submission as being a woman??" He has lost his mind! In my family and MANY OTHER WHITE FAMILIES, my dad and mom were divorced when I was young. My mother raised me to be independent UNTIL a man proved to be worthy of my recognition!! Submission was outdated back in the fifties!!! If a woman and a man love and respect each other, they do things that maybe they are not known to do.. So what. That doesn't mean US "white girls" kiss all of our mens asses. I'm in an interacial relationship right now, and we got together because we were meant to be NOT because I like to take it in the a** or any other stupid white girl sterotype with black men. Oh, whatever.
Polow is wack...Really wack.. And as far as his beats, I know at least a couple guys right now that would beat his ass with their shit. I will say this though, he'll probably get all the publicity he'll ever want from this s**t... A**hole.
Oh, and does it really have to come down to black and white anyway? Dumb asses will be dumb regardless of color. And gold diggers the same. So if someone is gonna say that all black chics are materialistic, they just don't know very many white chics...
I just think that the way he was comparing women was ignorant in itself.. Is he white? NO.. He said he f**ckn' mama was from Japan; so WTF would he know about either reace???!!

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ied — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:43:37 GMT

I somewhat agree with him now that he has clarified some things...I do think that he has personal issues with black women and being that his mama ain't black he can't really talk on black women. Not being raised by one makes a whole lot of difference. Instead of being part of the problem he should try to be more of the solution. Don't come telling us we have a problem and you don't really have a solution to fix it. What does he do to eduacate young black males? Some of what he says just sounds like self-hate and thats whats wrong with alot of black people. I want my son to do as I do and not as I say. I am going to make sure he is part of the solution and so will the rest of his family.

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stereotypes — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:21:43 GMT

i just came across this site and i i felt compelled to respond jory's posting:
"I personally had a phase in MY life where I dated tons of Asian women. I can tell you that in the household they are taught to live, eat, and breathe their husbands. They wait on them hand and foot for anything."
now you're just as bad as polow!! for real, as an asian woman myself i highly disagree with that statement. i can tell you right now that i run my own household and so does my mother. maybe the "tons" of asian females you dealt with were submissive/subordinate to their husbands, but you might want to consider what kind of asian woman dates outside of her race to begin with. you got on polow for talking about black culture when he's not even black (according to your standards since his mom is japanese) so don't go talking about asian culture when you're clearly not asian.

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oneprettyblackcat — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:11:46 GMT

MY FRIEND EMAILED THIS TO ME AND I AM WANTING TO SHOW U IGNORANT NIGGAS WHAT A REAL MAN FEELS ABOUT BLACK WOMEN SO READ, ENJOY, AND LEARN U BUTT FUCK ASS NIGGAS.

Let me start by saying that I am a 28-year old black man. I graduated
from one of the most prestigious universities in Atlanta, Georgia with
a
Bachelor of Arts Degree in Business Management. I have a good job at a
major corporation and have recently purchased a house. So, I consider
myself to be among the ranks of successful black men.

I will not use my precious time to slander white people. I just want to
set the record straight of why black men date white women. Back in the
day, one of the biggest reasons why black men dated white women was
because they were considered easy.

The black girls in my neighborhood were raised in the church. They were
very strict about when they lost their virginity and who they lost it
to. Because of our impatience to wait, brothers would look for someone
who would give it up easy without too much hassle. So, they turned to
the white girls.

Nowadays, in my opinion, a lot of brothers date white women because
they
are docile and easy to control. A lot of black men, because of
insecurities, fears, and overall weaknesses, have become intimidated by
the strength of our black women. We are afraid that our woman will be
more successful than us, make more money than us, drive nicer cars and
own bigger houses. Because of this fear, many black men look for a more
docile woman. Someone we can control.

I have talked to numerous black men and they continuously comment on
how
easy it is to control and walk over their white women. I just want to
set the record straight. I want A Disgusted White Girl to know that not
all successful black men date white women.

Brothers like Ahmad Rashad, Denzel Washington, Michael Jordan, Morris
Chestnut, Will Smith, Blair Underwood, Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds,
Samuel L. Jackson, and Chris Rock all married strong black women And,
to
flip the script, there are numerous white men, in and out of the spot
light, who openly or secretly desire black women over white women. Ted
Danson, Robert DeNiro, and David Bowie to name a few.

I just don't want a disgusted white girl to be misinformed Stop
thinking
that because you are white that you are some type of goddess. Remember,
when black Egyptian Queens like Hatsepshut and Nitorcris were ruling
Dynasties and armies of men in Egypt, you were over in the caves of
Europe eating raw meat and beating each other over the head with clubs.
Read your history!

It was the black woman that taught you how to cook and season your
food.
It was the black woman that taught you how to raise your children. It
was black women who were breast feeding and raising your babies during
slavery.

It is the black woman that had to endure watching their fathers,
husbands, and children beaten, killed, and thrown in jail. Black women
were born with two strikes against them: being black and being a woman.
And, through all this, Still They Rise!

It is because of the black women's strength, elegance, power, love and
beauty that I could> never> date anyone except my black Queen. It is
not
just the outer beauty that captivates and draws me to them. It is not
the fact that they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and shades that I
love them.

Their inner beauty is what I find most appealing about black women.
Their strong spirit, loving and nurturing souls, their integrity, their
ability to overcome great obstacles, their willingness to stand for
what
they believe in, and their determination to succeed and reach their
highest potential while enduring great pain and suffering is why I have
fallen in love with black women.

I honestly believe that your anger is geared more toward jealousy and
envy more so than snotty looks. If this were not so, then why do you
continuously go to tanning salons to darken your skin? If you are so
proud to be white, then why don't you just be happy with your pale
skin?
Why do you continue to inject your lips, hips, and breasts with
unnatural and dangerous substances so you can look fuller and more
voluptuous?

I think that your anger is really a result of you wanting to have what
the black woman has.

BOTTOM LINE: If I were looking for a docile woman, someone I can walk
over and control, I would give you a call. But, unfortunately, I am
looking for a Virtuous Woman. Someone that can be a good wife and
mother
to my children.

Someone who can be my best friend and understands my struggles. I am
looking for a soul mate. I am looking for a sister and; unfortunately,
you do not and CANNOT fit the bill.

No offense taken, none given.

Signed, Black Royalty

Wow!! We must pass this on to make the day of the Black Queens of our

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ranrightous — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:41:21 GMT

Eh, I agree 2 disagree wit dis cat... Cuz I wuz born 2 support my(blk) chic reguardless N that what makes me A man.. In return she cherish me like A king... That comes from being real 2 what her and myself have in No way thats being submissive she cooks cleans etc. cuz she wants 2 not cuz she supposed 2 it sound like homey livin in the past.. It's new A millineuim.. I think oprah success is great for black women 2 show them not 2 depdend on sucka ass niggas such as" polo da don." Life is free will everyone has choices don't knock women in general fo wantin 2 b independent just cuz u can't hold on 2 them...HL1

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BayBOI — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:19:44 GMT

oneprettyblackcat said:
MY FRIEND EMAILED THIS TO ME AND I AM WANTING TO SHOW U IGNORANT NIGGAS WHAT A REAL MAN FEELS ABOUT BLACK WOMEN SO READ, ENJOY, AND LEARN U BUTT FUCK ASS NIGGAS.

@oneprettyblackcat

I feel bad for you if some ni**as cosigning D the P piss you off that much. The cut and paste post was dope though.

Your anger about the things that were said makes me think you have a serious problem with black men that will speak on some issues they have with Black women. Personally...I love Black women...but I think it's kinda odd how hard it is for some Black women to look in the mirror...that makes me even consider the man's opinion even that much more.

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BayBOI — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:29:04 GMT

@GawgaBwoy770

I am and will cutty. Make sure you let the AHH site know when you get your site going...I will fa sho be on it.

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King High Pimpn — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:50:59 GMT

GawgaBwoy770 said:
@King High Pimpn

Yea, I forgot about the Italian sausages..They had a Hot Dog Heaven in Orlando right up the street from my job..I know you know about the Chicago dogs too..

(lmao,,not the hot dogs,,We call em POLISH,, nicca you remember those jew Town Polishes,,mayne,,i'm going to chicago in april,,i'm do my B-day there)

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Get It Together — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:12:12 GMT

I had to sign off yesterday....lol I do have a family and my husband does expect and need certain things...so I couldn't spend all day online. What I find to be ironic is the fact that when the women on this site state their opinion we've been conceived as being defensive....did anyone call Polow defensive for stating his opinion? I know several black men who are horrible...if I went to a media outlet and classified all the black men in the world as horrible people because of the influences I've had in my life...would that make me right? Maybe some of you haven't realized that I said I actually agree with some of the statements that he made in his article.....HELLO DID ANYONE READ THAT!!!! What I don't and will never agree with is him making a general statement about people he's met and grouping every black women into his theory! At the end of the day...there is no question that we as a people women and men need to step up to the plate and focus more on education, health and wealth and not on what latest rims, grills and videos are coming out! We've allowed our society to be depicted in the most humiliating perspective....one very important fact that I believe Polow said was before we were enslaved being forced to demean ourselves...now we do it voluntarily! Again for the very last time...my issue is with the generalization of all black women, not to mention the attack on Oprah...I'd love to hear someone tell me he was correct for attacking this women who came from nothing and is now a success and inspiration to women (white and black) across the world!

Get It Together

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Get It Together — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:11:13 GMT

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Get It Together — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:11:26 GMT

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Get It Together — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:25:12 GMT

Presidential....I just read your post...hopefully you’re still looking at the site I just wanted to let you know I thought your message was well thought out and delivered. The fact that you correctly pointed out that we DO have issues and stated what you as a person can do to shift the position of your family was very inspiring. I love to see a person of color with a good perspective on a subject...someone who can see a problem and be intelligent enough to realize it's no one genders fault! Everyone needs to include themselves in this problem....whatever flaws you have in life...work towards bettering yourself as an individual...if every person could look at what Polow said and realize he was fundamentally correct in stating we as a people have a problem, but was grossly wrong in stating the brunt of the blame should be placed on the black women, we can begin to hear and read helpful initiatives like Presidential....again thanks for your comment...it helped me realize that someone out there read and comprehended positively!

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Get It Together — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:25:53 GMT

lol srry for the triple post...cpu is going nutzo on me!

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Society35 — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:29:00 GMT

Before I go any further, I am also a African female, born in the Carribean. I have also traveled to other countries and I am very open minded about cultures, morals and social structure of the family unit. I personally do not agree with Polow Da Don comments. The only thing I give him credit for is the fact that he brought up the Willie Lynch syndrome. I think he did not help his situation with generalizing women based on his personal experience. I believe he should study the African and European culture before making anymore statements. In my past, based on my personal experience, I too was ignorant (at a young age of 13 and 14), for example when I grew up in America I would categorize African American as being lazy and not valuing the access to public education. I did come to realize that the environment that some African Americans are put in are some of the contributions that lead to failure. The key to overcome some of the obstacles of todays society is education. I have come across a lot of African American people that have made successes in life and have come back to their childhood communities to help others achieve their goals. I am one of the examples that had a mentor in life that told me that I'm missing the world. But back to the subject matter, before putting down other people (race, sexism) please acknowledge that you need to review the situation with more elaborate details because your sending mixed messages that are only fueling the situation. I know and understand what Polow Da Don is trying to say but its the way he elaborates on the subject. Please do not put down other people(race, sexism) to get your point ahead.

Thanks
Society35

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ease — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:39:47 GMT

so, after stating these comments..what are the suggestions for reinforcement and implementation to further our community advancement?? Otherwise, dismissing our mistakes and narrow views without offering ways to change them is pointless...beating a dead horse. Conversation goes on too long within our communtiy with no one stepping up...so who is going to take a stand and actually do something. Everyone can talk about it.

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The Seventh Seal — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:20:23 GMT

Polow is right in everthing he said. But if he was that educated why do he continue to use the Nigga word? Why do any black person call another a nigga? We were never niggas! To tell the truth most of us are black Jews! And the people claiming to be Jews today are not the real Jews just a trick of the devil. So instead of calling each other nigga just say whats up "Jew".

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getthesenets — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:28:37 GMT

GawgaBwoy770

I'll allow you to look up how and why it was refuted(and by whom) and I'll allow you to apologize to me.

We were enslaved...all types of tricks and tactics were used to keep us from rebelling...BUT the actual willie lynch letter that summarized everything in one letter is a big myth, brother.

Those things were used to control population of enslaved people but the letter is a fake.....

The "letter" today is used as an excuse when we can't get along with each other as Black people.....

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The Seventh Seal — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:35:09 GMT

Who cares about all this bull!

The first six seals will be opened very soon. Then the 7th!

Read Revelaton 8-9. And don't except the mark of the beast.

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P-wwezy — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:14:06 GMT

Can somebody please stab this dumb, my mother's japanese, confused nuggah with a dull knife, PLEASE! so he can shut the hell up!!!

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jessjazz — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:33:20 GMT

I read his original interview and all I could say was "WOW" today I am still dumbfounded on his statements. Having an opinion I have no issue with but when you state things as fact then that is when I (as a black woman) take it as an issue.

I have never dated anybody for their money, car, house, rims, or for being a drug dealer. Those things have never and will never interest me because for me it's what is in the inside that counts, so for him to generalize me with the people that he has experienced in his life is just wrong.

You can be educated but lack wisdom and reality and I believe that is what is lacking in his life. To paint me with the broad stroke brush is wrong because I do not fit into his box that he has placed me and fellow women in.

I do agree that we as a people have issues and that we do need to figure out how to become a cohesive unit again but we both need to step up to the plate. Because obviously if we do take a firm stance per his admission Black Men will just go to the white women because they will follow with whatever they say.

At the end of the day it saddens me that he truly feels like this and believes that we are all ignorant. I took African American History and when we discussed the Willie Lynch Letter there wasn't any proof that he really wrote it nor made the speech. It was hypothesized that it was created to unite us and not break us down further like he is doing.

I wish him much success and a hot dose of reality with wisdom before categorizing people in such nature. Much Love!

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Get It Together — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:04:26 GMT

Well stated jessjazz....kudos to you!

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GawgaBwoy770 — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:08:00 GMT

@ getthesenets

Okay, neither one of us know whether it's true or not and the people who are refuting it have a reason to..That's something you need to understand as well..Whether or not the letter actually existed is irrelevant..The fact of the matter is those things said in the letter were used to control black people and whether you want to admit it or not they still are..True or False??

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Fly Boi — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:31:45 GMT

He shoulda never said anything. He made himself look more like a fool. I just love this comment...."The problem is, most of your readers, especially on AllHipHop.com, don't know who they are and don't read, and are not educated. N****s don't read books." I bet you that I'm more educated that this fool.

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WHYSDOM — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:36:38 GMT

The word does say submissive. But what women dont know in general, the role they play is integeral to a mans growth. It says that a man must love a woman like Christ loved the church.....dont you know He died for the church! Women who want a strong man must be strong but as a ompliment to the "1" man that she has choosen! Sorry the boy P got some points.....id rather hear it from him rather than Cosby ya dig....

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GawgaBwoy770 — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:50:02 GMT

@ Fly Boi

I feel you bruh but you have to understand if you aren't one of those people he wasn't referring to you..You know just like I do we as black people don't read the way we should..I read and I have about 30 to 40 books...My girl got maybe 100 or so and most of our friends read as well..A lot of times we have friends that are similar to us but we don't pick our family..When I look at my family there's a few that read but the majority don't..They usually do other things with their time but complain about being broke instead of buying some books on investing or something that could help change their net worth..Too many blacks out there are like those family members I described..

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P-wwezy — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:50:43 GMT

He basically wants a slave or should i say a concubine....He makes it seem as though black men are helpless creatures who need to be led and told what to do, because they're little boys who don't know right from wrong. They don't know it's wrong to drug deal, they don't know life isn't about rims and rides, and they don't know how to be responsible. I wonder how every other race of men learned responsibilty...Was it because their fathers were around to teach them?? hmmmm...oh yeah, blame black women for irresponsible, drug dealing black men and not the idiot fathers who didn't stick around to help raise their little boys.

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act1onj4ckson — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:53:59 GMT

polow on some real shit then...

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jayjackson31602 — Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:47:05 GMT

Why would you do an interview with a dumb ass dude like him..he is confused as hell. This asshole can't speak for anyone but himself...he sounds like he is uneducated. This fool should be tied to a pole and shot.(call me I'll do it)

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Grumpy — Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:59:11 GMT

Preach...

Chuuuch

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GBoogie72 — Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:55:21 GMT

On the real, that brother said a whole lot of things that made perfect since, we, as black people, need to educate ourselves and our children more, read, like the dude said. Its not what you say it what you can prove and he hit it right on the head. Good interview!

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N.O. Hotboi 504 — Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:11:10 GMT

Say this boi don't know what he wants just talking out of his neck STILL A HOUSE NIGGA TO ME fuck what he's saying everybody don't get a chance to become a lawyer of doctor so the next thing is the streets ya heard me so get how you live faggot alot of black people I know live the right way but wrong choices can fuck your life up. This nigga should of said more stuff fucked up with black people like we need to stop smoking weed, riding rims, staying in apartment with a Benz outside BITCH NIGGA JUST SAY U DON'T LIKE BEING BLACK fuck we aren't the only RACE with things wrong EVERYTHING HE TALKED ABOUT EVERY OTHER RACE HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS so stop trying ta bring us down and help us since your a MALCOM X

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jassonss17 — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:16:29 GMT

Just seems he has issues with black women

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LadyTea — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:21:59 GMT

Hello everyone, first let me address his opinions about American & Black women; when he said his mom is a Traditional Japanese woman, I already understood why he has issues w/ black women. Japanese women come from a totally different culture where they're taught to do whatever the man wants him to do, black women aren't taught not to trust men, we're taught to: be strong, stand up for ourselves and demand respect which means don't let a man or anyone run over us. The basic definition of the word submissive is: doing what someone tells you to do. now I don't know about anyone else but as an adult and a intelligent human being I'm just not gonna obey someone whether it's my man or anyone else. Now as far as the man I'm in a relationship with, we're partners, there's give and take from both of us. White women should be mad at the fact that he's portraying them as passive & weak b/c that's what it's all about. Contrary to what he believes, most black women don't go for the "dope boys" and having a degree doesn't make u a worthy man b/c there are a lot of educated assholes out there. Women of all races and cultures are guilty of picking the wrong type of men that includes white and japanese women too. Oh yeah and Oprah is a great example of a black woman and she shows that as a woman we don't need a man to be somebody. Having a man is a good thing only if he's worthy of being had.

Now on the topic of us as a race; it's amazing how he wants to call a people idiots b/c they don't agree w/ him, especially when he's generalizing the black race the way the media does. I don't know what type of people he surrounds himself with but black people read just as much as anyone else, only a small percentage of black people are criminals and that's usually b/c they were poor and that was they only means to get quick cash that they know of(which is based on economics not race). There are problems that we're dealing w/ but the last time I checked crime is a universal thing; blacks, whites, japanese and other races are involved in crime but he's making it a black issue. Crime doesn't discriminate, u can be any race, ethnicity(which is based on culture, see if I didn't read I wouldn't know that) or socio-economic status. He also referred to the fact that black americans aren't even respected by black african; news flash, black africans are still being negatively portrayed so that's a bad example. The main reason a lot of cultures don't respect us is b/c most of the images that they see in the media are negative and not based on entire facts just like a lot of Polow's statements. He claims that we're playing right into the white man's hands but he doesn't realize him only accentuating the negative makes him a even bigger pawn than the very people he's talking about. Doesn't he realize that he's indirectly perpetuating racist white people's views.

The fact of the matter is, what he's saying is only part of the bigger truth and there are more positive black people than negative. If he's so concerned about the plight of our race he'll have a more positive outlook, talk about more good than bad and actually create solutions instead of exaggerating the problem. As far as his issues with strong woman, he needs to see that being independent and wanting to be seen as an equal and not a docile subservient shell of themselves does not equate mistrust or a problem. He shouldn't expect woman to be like his mother, once he ACTUALLY READS WHAT A BLACK WOMAN HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH OVER THE CENTURIES, HE'LL HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR US AND HIS BLACK CULTURE.

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REALLYPHILLY_FEELME — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:32:14 GMT

Half you fake ass dudes up in here "bigging-up" this ignorant self hateful asswhole (BozoDaDon)...whatever....half ya'll are bootlickin slave ass negroes. I guess you feel like a "real" man after you date a fucking white girl. If segregation was still poppin' half you negroes would be paying for even looking or whistlin at a cocaine rabbit...REMEMBER EMMETT TILL. Love Yourself...

Get Free!!!

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Jori D — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:31:22 GMT

Be aware of yourself and know yourself. No matter how much you have learned and how much you know, if you don't know yourself you don't know anything. Indeed, if you don't know yourself you cannot know anything else. People who don't know themselves criticize others from the point of view of their own ignorance. They consider what agrees with them to be good, and hate whatever doesn't go their way. They become irritated about everything, causing themselves to suffer by themselves, bothering themselves solely because of their own prejudices. If you know that not everyone will be agreeable to you, know that you won't be agreeable to everyone either. Those who have no prejudices in themselves do not reject people, and therefore people do not reject them.-Shosan

Is it me or did that quote speak to Polow and those who think like him directly...Hmmm a little food for thought for those who feel if you don't have the same OPINION you are a nigga or bitch...

Anyway....LADYTEA IF YOU DON'T PREACH IT for a second I got nervous.... For someone to scream read a book every two seconds it would seem that POLOW OF ALL PEOPLE would know the history of the black woman in the United States and UNDERSTAND why submission again the definition TO DO AS ONE IS TOLD does not fly... We were at the bottom of the totem pole... We were raped in front of our children and husbands, spat upon lied upon mistreated forced to "breed" to nuture the same white man who came in to rape us at night children from our milk and all and all keep our family together...It is only logical that from generation to generation a black woman will teach their seed to love yourself enough first and if you feel something is wrong SPEAK UP!!!! My friend a beautiful strong black woman made an interesting point...He brings up the Willie Lynch letter and all in the same sentence calls black women and men who don't agree with HIS OPINION niggas and bitches LMAO!!!! Are you serious... And for some of you guys to find legitimacy in this man is puzzling... Yes he knows OF some truths but he misuses his truths to generalize people who don't think like him... Yes I've heard Africans don't respect us but for those who keep up with CURRENT EVENTS and READ BOOKS such as Polow you would understand who in the hell are Africans to look down upon us TRUST ME Johannesburg and majority of these African cities will make the hardest of all thugs and gangstas from America come back to America with their tail between their legs... I too have African friends who are CURRENTLY living in AFRICA trying to COME BACK here... Which again one should refer to the willie lynch letter... We all have this euro-centric way of thinking that my shit smell better than yours when at the end of the day it is all SHIT!!!!! Yeah he speaks of some truths but to generalize and think because he has read a couple more books than most of those who listen to his music that he ONLY speaks facts and if you don't agree you a bitch or a nigga is ridiculous... Polow I too am an educated black woman who is in the library as we speak so reading is not an issue for me my love come better...

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AngelaDevi — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:02:07 GMT

1st question is how do you post your photo on this board?

Oprah does have a man, and how would anyone know Oprah's
"Personal business" to make a comment like that. Polow sounds
like he is a little stuck on himself. Some of his comments makes
since, but not all of his comments. Rapper Common has been
talked/preached about this same topic, so Polow is about 2yrs
late.

"Common" has touched on this subject a million times, but
loves his sista's till the end. Besides A WOMAN IS A WOMAN
NO-MATTER WHAT THE COLOR IS. Every African American
Woman does not have these issues Polow is talking about.

There are a lot of insecure men /brotha's out there also.
Brotha's on this board wanting to be "Pimp's and Gangster’s
and "NO-ONE REJECTS THAT!! Something is "VERY WRONG"
and it's not a sista's fault/ nor is it "HER PROBLEM"!!!!!

And let’s leave Oprah out of this. Oprah has done more for
African Americans, in one life time then anyone on this
board will EVER DO FOR ANYONE. Most Of You Brotha’s
Put Down your Own Race 24-7- C-O-N-S-T-A-N-T-L-Y, NOT
JUST AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN.

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AngelaDevi — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:26:29 GMT

To:REALLYPHILLY_FEELME
LadyTea
Jori D
jassonss17
BayBOI
FatherSha
N.O. Hotboi 504
Hoodgrown
Maaja
B-wEsT

"A MILLION THANK YOU'S". WE COME "F-I-R-S-T". NEVER
ALLOW ANYONE TO TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE, OR WHO
YOU THINK YOU ARE. THERE ARE ALOT OF POSITIVE
COMMENTS/STATEMENTS ON THIS BOARD, I'M SORRY
IF I MISSED YOUR NAME, BUT THANK YOU AS WELL.

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BayBOI — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:18:15 GMT

@AngelaDevi

Click your name at the top of the page and look at you options. Go to Avatar.

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Destined — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 05:15:15 GMT

I hear what he is saying, but I still disagree with somethings he said. First of all don't dis Oprah and hate on the sister for a title she so deserves and achieved on her own. No one gave her a damn thing, she went to school got an education and bettered herself from poverty and abuse. She definitely earned that titled and is one of the most qualified black women for it. She proved to women and people in general you can obtain anything and be what you want to be if you focus and work hard for it. No she is not married, but she does have a man she's been with for quite sometime and in her position I would be cautious in getting married myself. Polow talking about this order, but if man is the head or supposed to be. A woman can only influence him so much, but I know for a fact you can be the best, strongest, and most submissive black woman ever, but if a man want to do wrong thats exactly what he's going to do until he makes a conscious decision to do better and find God and get that agape love in his heart for his woman. Thats when a man will claim his place and do right. So do not blame men being stupid and being childish on women, most of them choose that route. They want to be daddies instead of fathers, they want to shack up instead of marry, they want to be baby daddy instead of father. A father or real man trains his child not just lavish him or her with things or abuse them when they do wrong, but teach and show them the difference acquiring them with the ability to discern. Not showing them how to drink, smoke, curse, rap obscene lyrics, and mistreat women, but breaking generational curses that have plagued and killed our black families starting with the selfish and irresponsible man. If you are going to speak truth, speak the whole truth.

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wordisbest — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:58:27 GMT

His views on women and relationships is just wrong. Really wrong. Successful relationships aren't about forcing a man to dominate. The problem that much of the Black American community is the skewed perception of masculinity that Polow (which is the silliest name to say aloud) presents here.
He's speaking of the type of "man" that Euroeans have created.

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HoodProphet — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:19:30 GMT

RANDOM THOUGHT!!!

imagine this people...(if I could only draw, it would be more powerful)

A white family sitting at the dinner table. Two little white kids (boy and girl), a white mother, and a white father. White father just smiling from ear to ear, happy that hes king on his thrown and able to provide for his family. Looking at the huge loaf of bread on the table (he has fork and knife in his hand). Little white boy in his own little world about to plunge a piece of his bread at his little sister with his spoon (he has so much bread he can afford to throw some away). The little girl asked her father if she can have another piece of bread. Daddy's little girl always gets what she wants. And finally mother is looking at the floor, completely shocked and awed by what she sees...

What she sees is roaches on the floor arguing over bread crumbs:

roach 1: roach, I been waiting here all this time for some of them white folks to drop one of these crumbs, you better move away from it homie. Dont start nothing wont be nothing.

roach 2: Oh its about to go down up in here. Just cause you got prettier antennas, you think you deserve the first bite of this here crumb.

roach 1: Dont hate on my antennas dog. You just mad, cause they always step on your kind first. Get your antennas up homie and you'll survive a little bit longer. But enough of all that, Imma have to bust yo ass up in here if you dont step away from this crumb.

roach 2: its all good I aint worrying about it. I'll just wait. Imma keep on praying to God to get prettier antennas and my own bread crumb. Eventually God gone feel sorry enough for me and give me a handout. I mean after all it aint like God got better stuff to do then sit around and wait for me to pray about materialistic simple shit.

roach 1: Yea true that. But lets fight anyway, cause Im still worked up from all this fuss. Plus we roaches, I mean aint that what we should be doing?

roach 2: Yea my roach, Imma roach for life, "ROACH LIFE!!" in this bitch. (With that said, roach 2 threw up some roach gang signs and punched roach 1 in the face, then stole the bread crumb)

roach 3: (Roach 3 didnt engage in any of the drama. As roach1 and roach2 were fighting, he just climbed up one of the table legs to get him a piece of the larger piece of bread).

narrator: (good luck to roach 3 as he tries to pry some of that bread out of the hands of those white folks. But his alternative, I guess, would be to engage in the fight between roach 1 and 2 and hes not into that.)

roach 4: (Just sat back and watched roach 1, 2, and 3 do there thing. He didnt feel that he should do either. So being indecisive and stressed because of it, he lifted one of his wings and pulled out a "L" and a bag of tree and did what he does best.)

Narrator: As all of this unfolded, white mother alerted the family to what was going on. She especially wanted the children to see. She wanted to make sure they knew how she never wanted them to turn out. She always made sure that the kids didnt watch the roaches with out her or white father's consent. They could never watch them after 8pm, and without her or white father being around of course to "interpret". White father didnt engage too much in what was going on on the floor with roach 1, 2, and definitely not 4. he was more concerned with watching as roach 3 was climbing the table leg coming near what he felt was his rightfully owned bread. So he busied himself with debate over rather he would give roach 3 an incentive/road block piece of bread to keep him busy or would he just squash him. Cause I mean after all, in white fathers eyes, he was just a roach...(to be continued)

HOPE I DIDNT OFFEND ANYONE, THEN AGAIN...YES I DO!!

-Hood Prophet (aka Mr. hope I live longer than Malcolm did aka Mr. WAKE UP)

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RedCoat — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:42:27 GMT

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Streetweyez Sayles — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:12:17 GMT

Polow was right about Black people not reading because even the attraction or obsession with white women is a symptom of the very problems he describes. Considering the level of his lyrical abilities I am not even ready to give him a pat on the back.

He is still a half-of-fag in my book. I am not against interracial dating, but to act as if white people are not crazy, lazy, and thieves (refer to the Willie Lynch Letter even though it was probably written by a redneck in the mid 1970s) is almost as laughable as him trying to "drop knowlegde" on poor ignorant black folks.

They have a phrase for cats like him, "Nigga PLEASE". I would prefer that Black people read Malcolm X, Kwame Toure, W.E.B. DuBois, Marcus Garvey, Soujourner Truth, or Frederick Douglass over this nonsense.

"Wonder Why I Live This Way?"
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cdubb — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:30:08 GMT

GawgaBwoy770 said:

"He got the order of things from the Bible and basically every other religious book..That's something you really can't argue.."

"Oprah is a good role model when it comes to the money making aspect but would you really want your daughter shacking with a man for the rest of their life bc her man won't commit?? I wouldn't want my daughter to do it and I don't approve of it..That's sending the wrong message"

"Women do control the way we carry ourselves overall..If all women stopped dealing with dope boys taking the easy way out men wouldn't have no other choice but to straighten up or be gay.."

"....Women control everything from the music that's being played as well as the fashion for men..When ni99az saw that it was cool to dress up bc that's what women liked, what happened? You had ni99az that never wore a suit trying to wear button ups and square toes.."

co-sign.. and to add to it...

the music thing is dead on...i dont know how many times i have heard rappers around my way say "man i gotta make a song for the women to dance to." what you end up with is bullshit like "laffy taffy" and "booty meat"(btw thats a real song. i heard my girl's little brother playing that shit) if women didn't like that bullshit, it would never get made, and hip hop ould be saved.

chuuuch

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