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They Live: The Bigots Are Here 
Published Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:56 AM
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By illseed

You see them on the street.

You watch them on TV.

You might even vote for one this fall.

You think they're people just like you.

You're wrong. Dead wrong.


- The tag line for “They Live”


It gives be great pleasure in saying that THEY LIVE.


In 1988, a campy, classic movie arose called “They Live.” The premise of the movie surrounded a clandestine alien invasion where the intruders actually appeared to be normal humans. Rebelling humans were able to uncover the alien insurrection after donning special sunglasses or contact lenses that pierced the alien’s human mask, revealing a boney alien exterior.


In the real world, we have begun to unearth the new alien [alleged] racists and bigots through their own words.


On Friday March 7, 2007, McCain mouthpiece and Rebublican pollster Kelly Ann Conway (also spelled Kellyanne Conway) made a racially charged, shocking comment to CNN’s Larry King and a group of political talking heads:



”John McCain is in New Orleans tonight addressing the Council on National Policy. It's been reported these are just the cream of the crop conservatives. This is what he's doing behind the scenes now while Hillary and Obama argue about whether she should let him sit on the back of the bus of her presidential ticket, or he argues whether or not she lied us into war in 2002.”


I saw this with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears, as did Jamal Simmons, Democratic strategist and Barack Obama supporter, who was also in the Larry King conversation. He also happens to be African American. Simmons took offense to the blatantly racist “back of the bus” remark and intelligently chided Conway, calling her “out of line.”


Of course Conway conned her way our of serious live scolding by trying to make it seem like she just happened to put her words together and nothing should be misconstrued as racially prejudiced.


The modern racist is not a hood wearing, skin-headed monster, They live a very different life with a diverse strategy. They are penetrating the mainstream, acting very much like terror cells or the aliens in “They Live.” They pose as supporters of a candidate or cause with genuine, heartfelt passion and logical reasons.


If we put on our “sunglasses”…or really listen, their true heart emerges. We see right past the thin epidermis to see the cunning of a fork-tongued serpent and devilish desires.


Sound dramatic? You think?


In response to a comment by Michelle Obama where she said she was finally a proud American, Bill O’Reilly responded with:


"And I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels. If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down."


Now, let’s not even get into a long, drawn out brouhaha about America’s legacy of racism (not just towards African Americans), genocidal treatment of the Native Americans, stereotypic images of Asians and a lengthy history of blatant sexism. I think that’s what Obama’s former pastor was attempting to say, before the media mob got him.


But let us address the notion of a so-called “lynching party” that O’Reilly wanted to launch if Mrs. Obama wasn’t a super patriot. Although he eventually issued a very feeble apology, these aren’t casual slip of the tongues…


These are simply the racists showing themselves to us or us unveiling them. A newscaster says young golfers should, "lynch Tiger Woods in a back alley." Lou Dobbs objected to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice saying racism was an American "birth defect" by nearly calling her and other Black leaders “cotton pickers.” All sorts of goodies come out of the mouths of these “things”…


Geraldine Ferraro, the first female major party nominee for the vice-presidency, found herself defending herself from accusations that she was an old, cranky bigot.


Of Presidential hopeful, Barack Obama, she told the Daily Breeze, “If Obama was a White man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”


She is entitled to her opinion, which Obama brushed off as “patently absurd.” I’m entitled to my opinion. Ferraro is a racist invader that Hill allowed to inject ethnicity into the presidential race without merit!


This isn’t about Barack Obama, but it is about a nation really speaking volumes about its ability to move on, as Ferraro insisted the nation do in the aftermath of her headline-grabbing comments.


The nation is drained and fed up by these antiquated, decades old aliens.


Interestingly enough, the space invaders in “They Live” constituted the minority ruling class of the United States. This means all of those in power were actually extraterrestrials. Efficiently, these aliens controlled the media, populated billboards and obvious commercial advertising with hidden messages such as “Obey” in an effort to control the masses in subtle ways. Those special glasses eventually allowed a crass blue collar carpenter (played by WWF legend Rowdy Roddy Piper) to upset the powers that be.


Does this scenario sound even remotely familiar?


Bill O’Reilly, Geraldine Ferraro, Sean Hannity (who really is alien) and the cronies of the old guard are like aliens these days supporting a legacy backed by pseudo-intellectual facts. Sometimes, they recruit African American looking-people to do their bidding as well. These things cater to fear, they cater to discrimination and they tap into a prejudiced past that goes back some 400 years. But also, it exists more recently that that. Hate killed Martin Luther King, Jr. a mere 40 years ago. Rodney King was whipped by LAPD over 17 years ago. Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent lack of reaction by the Bush administration are approaching its third anniversary (remember what GW Bush did and what Barabara Bush said)? It seems like yesterday when there was a noose popping up everywhere from police precincts to college campuses.


I feel proud to be among the human race that is much more interested in collective progress than those special interests with business as usual on the mind. We are going to make this change and that’s regardless of Obama getting into office. Work together or go down together – there are no other options.


The glasses are on and the veil is up.


They live, but we see them.


Here are some videos for your viewing pleasure.


Trailer to “They Live”:



Kelly Ann Conway (Kellyanne Conway) at 3:55 into this segment:



Lou “Cotton” Dobbs (admittedly not regarded as a racist) stumbles over his words:



Barack Obama responds to Geraldine Ferraro:



Comments

 

de brick said:

805th
April 9, 2008 7:26 AM
 

papadonna said:

The Lou Dobbs slip was very obvious....so were the other but this one stood out for some reason..or another
April 9, 2008 7:29 AM
 

Southern Fried said:

Good piece Illseed.

I agree with all of this, But I honestly think Lou Dobbs was about to say something that he thought was harmless, but caught himself, because he knew how people spin shit (to be real with you, he probably would have said Muthafucking if he wasn't in front of a camera).  I'll give him a pass for that, but the rest of them naw... fuck them.

LMAO, After I found out that McCain was making guap off of Budwiser I stopped fucking with it.
April 9, 2008 7:39 AM
 

Heavyweight313 said:

Powerful article!!!!
They really do live!!!!!!!
I didnt realize it until recently here in Michigan, Affirmative action was voted down. The masses were on Tv talking about how we needed it and how minorities couldnt survive without it, but when it was time to vote,they went into their voting booths and the vote was 80% to remove A. action, 20% to keep A. action!
April 9, 2008 7:46 AM
 

Mr Incredible said:

Who knew Illseed was this GIFTED!  Must give props on a very GOOD read.  All points and references made were on point.  And I think the most important statement made was... "Work together or go down together – there are no other options."  That was just as powerful as MLK's "Nonviolence OR Nonexistence"!  
April 9, 2008 7:48 AM
 

JRucker said:

I salute you Illseed!

Good Morning AHH!

I was telling a friend not too long after Obama anounced his candidacy that racial prejudices were going to be exposed on a whole new level. We all know how the bigots in america feel about us. The notion of a Black man running the country is burning their asses like you cannot believe. Bigots are having the hardest time biting their tongues. They are running out of ways to attack us on the low. So they are busting out of their shell and saying what is on their minds. Exposing themselves and america live and in our face. They are trying to reach those who use to be bigots and people who are walking the line of bigotry. I'm just waiting for one of them to get caught going off like that bounty hunter dude Dog Chapman. lol I believe it will happen before Obama gives his inauguration speech.

shouts to cak, sexy red, butrfly girl, mclinba, ATL$t@r, 69 delta that N____R Jhamal, jjgreenis and everyone...
April 9, 2008 8:10 AM
 

Ten $ Shades said:

Damn Damn...
There's no doubt Lou "cotton" Dobbs despises anyone a darker hue than himself.
The only way people can get rid of these silk-tie-savages is to educate themselves with the truth and become pro-active, just like Barack Obama.

Illseed spoke the truth, change is inevitable.

Peace
April 9, 2008 8:13 AM
 

MD-2-BX VIA I95 said:

Yea My Man Charlie Murphy Said it best....

"Habititual Line Steppers" is what these Rascist are..

Always saying sublimal remarks in the condenscending tone to try and scare people with negative comments about the black community... Thats why John Mkkkain an't getting elected

But if he pulls a Bush on the ballots were all in trouble
April 9, 2008 8:14 AM
 

MD-2-BX VIA I95 said:

@ Illseed

I know you speaking metaphorically but I don't think anybody needs the glasses to the racist shit going on...

Just we have heard it so much some people are prone to it and pay it no mind.
April 9, 2008 8:20 AM
 

Leche_Dinero said:

sorry crackers but you all are inherently racist. ALL OF  YOU! If I was white I would be subconsiously rasist too! like "yea blacks are cool but were clearly superior" kind of like how animal lovers treat dogs.
$$Milk Money$$
April 9, 2008 8:36 AM
 

Dr. E said:

Illseed is doing himself a tremendous diservice by focusing on rumors and gossip when the real writing ability is so blatantly obvious. I now understand what the whole 'assistant search' is all about, a potential replacement. This can only be a case of taking the job as the traffic reporter hoping to move up to the news desk one day and that day is coming soon. Congratulations on such a well thought out and written article. Rowdy Roddy Piper was the man in that movie !
April 9, 2008 8:40 AM
 

Hypnotice7 said:

Yea Seed good editorial, most definitely, "They Live".
The new Bigots use Corporate America, Goverment funding, and "misspeaking" as their new cloaks and hoods.

We got to crack into some of their industries (1 ex: politics) like Jamal Simmons did so we can get some leverage and a voice out.
April 9, 2008 9:01 AM
 

charliestons said:

I thought Illseed was about rumors  only..
damn u good bro... great article

........................................................
As for Bill O' Reilly, I dont think u should classify him as an allien.
He is an obvious racist.
Some of them dont even want to be alliens anymore. They want u to know who they are and if u're too blind to see...then I'm sorry....

U should do more of this Illseed... dont leave the rumors though cuz Umight be thinkin of leavin it for Lady Drama

April 9, 2008 9:13 AM
 

Professor Knowledge said:

excellent article. One point that I want to add is that we need to hold these corporations accountable. The only way to achieve this is by boycotting all sponsors of the media that allow their anchors to degrade us. White people only respect $ and cents
April 9, 2008 9:27 AM
 

Curry Media said:

word.  but unfortunately you will be labeled a "LIBERAL" (like its a bad thing) from these racist bastards.  
April 9, 2008 9:38 AM
 

mu$h da great said:


@ illseed , glad you are bringing this to attention.

there couldn't have been a better metaphor used for these mufuckers & this bullshit that is transpiring.these feelings have always existed in the heart of the gov. america etc. now that they see a small portion of people unifying in & effort to move in a more positive direction there pulling out all the stops. we are being separated to keep us weak. we are allowing  ourselves to be so consumed in our differences that we are not seeing what these mufuckers are really doing to us &  the country we live in.  

hillary had her pond ferraro come out & catch a bullet for her in an effort to publicly disperse some bullshit that she more than likely wanted to say but jus couldn't cause of how it would affect her campaign.
April 9, 2008 9:39 AM
 

Curry Media said:

oh yeah...thanks for the grown man shit...we need a little of this in hip hop to offset the "who hotter than me" mentality....
April 9, 2008 9:40 AM
 

SeanJohn81 said:

Whats good AHH Fam??????
April 9, 2008 9:47 AM
 

c_a_k said:

ILSEED, U TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH, JUST LIKE JRUCKER SAID ME AND MY BF HAD THE SAME CONVO ABOUT HOW THE WORLD REACT TO A BLACK PRESIDENT, AND U DO SEE THE RACISM AND BIGOTRY THAT AMERICA TRIES SO WELL TO HIDE, BUT IT’S COMING OUT.
I WATCHED THAT MOVIE YEARS AGO, THEY LIVED AND WE SAW IT AS A SIGN TO SAY THAT WE LIVE AMONGST ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE (GOOD AND EVIL) BUT WHEN WE OPEN UP OUR EYES (OR PUT ON OUR GLASSES, WE SEE THEM FOR WHAT THEY REALLY ARE). THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THE CLINTONS NOW, THE RAN WITH THE “WE’RE ACCEPTED BY BLACK PEOPLE”, TO TRY AND BRAINWASH US. BUT WE’RE HEARING THAT HILLARY HAS SAID THIS THAT AND THE THIRD, SO HAD BILL AND SO HAS HER CAMPAIGN PEOPLE ABOUT BARACK. WHY NOT COME DOWN ON MCCAIN (ESP. SINCE HE’S 1. A REPUBLICAN 2. A VOICE FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ). WHAT IS SHE SCARED OF???? NOTHING, ITS EASIER TO PLAY ON WHITE PEOPLES EMOTION THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE STILL INFERIOR TO OUR WHITE COUNTERPARTS.

ILLSEED, THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL, WELL THOUGHT OF AND PUT TOGETHER EDITORIAL. Ur the S***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 9, 2008 9:50 AM
 

gottheanswer said:

Yo illseed.. nice article.. but i have to say (being one that has been around the world) that all people are racist.. Black people are racist to people just the same as whites and other races (i'll give you examples if you need em'). I have to say America is the only country that is so mixed, and from my studies there is never a problem with different races living amoungs one another until one race gains control of the resources or power. That being said. Most people are racist or only associate with those in which they can relate too, they don't understand or care to understand others. Unfortunately in many countries (since they don't live around other races) they go by stero types to judge people. - thats a whole other subject, i could go on for days about that.. but i will say this, most foreign countries that aren't mixed go by stero types.. even africans.. do you know how many africans ask me to rap for them... haha lucky for me i memorized a many of verses so i never disappoint them.. but what i saying is america still has a long way to go.. it will take about a good 5 more generations to get that racist shit out of people's minds..    
April 9, 2008 9:54 AM
 

c_a_k said:

WHITES ARE FINDING A WAY TO "SPEAK THEIR MINDS" BUT THEN TURN AROUND SAYING THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T FEEL OFFENDED BY THEIR COMMENTS, WELL THEY SHOULDN'T FEEL OFFENDED WHEN WE CALL THEM OUT AS THE RACIST THEY ARE.


F*** THIS S*** AND THESE BIGOTS!!!!!!!!!! JEALOUSY IS A MUTHA***** THEY BEEN TRYING TO STOP AND HOLD BLACK PEOPLE DOWN FOR THE LONGEST BUT EVEN WHITES FEEL THREATENED BY US, BECAUSE NOW THEY SONS AND DAUGHTERS WANT TO GET WITH US FOR ONE REASON OR THE OTHER. SO U HAVE THESE OLD WHITE HEADS THAT CAME UP IN A TIME OF SEGRAGATION AND DEGREDATION FOR BLACKS AND THEIR STILL TRYING TO UPHOLD THEIR RACIST WAYS AS THEY KIDS AND GRAND KIDS BE BUMPING THAT "RAP MUSIC", AND TRYING TO GET THEY WIGGER SWAGGER ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REGISTER TO VOTE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 9, 2008 9:57 AM
 

gottheanswer said:

i don't care if people are racist as long as they don't go about doing harm to anyone.. hell, i'm racist too and my best friend is white, and my girlfriend is european. and i only say nigga around my peoples and i complain about everyone that likes being ignorant. say what you want just don't go about tryn' to cover it up.. BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT the only thing i do have a problem with is this... okay the europeans took america from the indians right?? right. thats called conquering.. people have been doing it long before.. then they took africans and made them into slaves (another long topic).. anyway it may be harsh but again, slavery has been going on for a long time. its part of losing a battle.. anyway fast forward couple hundred years and people realize that both conquering and slavery weren't right... welllllll how come the idians get all types of benefits and slaves get nothing??? it should be evened out.. just wanted to put some insight on that..
April 9, 2008 10:03 AM
 

gottheanswer said:

i don't care if people are racist as long as they don't go about doing harm to anyone.. hell, i'm racist too and my best friend is white, and my girlfriend is european. and i only say nigga around my peoples and i complain about everyone that likes being ignorant. say what you want just don't go about tryn' to cover it up.. BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT the only thing i do have a problem with is this... okay the europeans took america from the indians right?? right. thats called conquering.. people have been doing it long before.. then they took africans and made them into slaves (another long topic).. anyway it may be harsh but again, slavery has been going on for a long time. its part of losing a battle.. anyway fast forward couple hundred years and people realize that both conquering and slavery weren't right... welllllll how come the idians get all types of benefits and slaves get nothing??? it should be evened out.. just wanted to put some insight on that..
April 9, 2008 10:03 AM
 

MizPoeta said:

@ illseed.... excellent.. iif it's ok with u i'd like to add a link to it on my stations website...

i'm so sick of all these "slip-ups"...the sad thing is it's only going to get worse..it's brushed under the rug time and time again..like the news chick that said the lynching comment about tiger woods...his ass made a statement saying it didn't bother him and he knows she meant nothing by it...that's what keeping this crap in motion...if we continue to say it's okay call me a ni**er what do i care, then they will continue until no apologies will be offered. look at the time line...remember when any racial slip-up got the person a scarlett letter? now all you get is half assed apologies if that (cause they wanna keep their checks rolling in) or a we'll take them away for a month then they'll be right back makin peanutbutter and sh*t sandwhiches. (imus) because they know this ain't 40 years ago...

*take a breathe and finall exhales...happy hump day!*

April 9, 2008 10:09 AM
 

Cheadleman1 said:

Illseed very insightful piece. Good eye opener for people that actually lack sight on this sort of issue.  I remember watching an old video of an interview someone did on Helen Keller. They asked her if not been able to see from being blind was the worse thing she known and she responded saying something to the effect that the worse thing she's known is people that have the ablilty of seeing that dont see clear or lack vision... I think this column provides a clrear cut sight or vision that other may not have at this point. Good Piece again bro...
April 9, 2008 10:10 AM
 

Cheadleman1 said:

Illseed very insightful piece. Good eye opener for people that actually lack sight on this sort of issue.  I remember watching an old video of an interview someone did on Helen Keller. They asked her if not been able to see from being blind was the worse thing she known and she responded saying something to the effect that the worse thing she's known is people that have the ablilty of seeing that dont see clear or lack vision... I think this column provides a clrear cut sight or vision that other may not have at this point. Good Piece again bro...
April 9, 2008 10:11 AM
 

Jay-R The AR said:

Although I think that something could be said about what goes on in the mind of some people, pigeon-holding them into the category of "racist" isn't justifiable at all unless there is a definite reason to believe. If it's one thing I don't like about black America is that the majority are quick to accuse someone of racism. I'm not going to sit there and cast anyone as "racist" unless I see fit. Do I think the comments were unflattering and ignorant: Yes. Do I believe that they are racist: To me no but it depends on who's answering.  
April 9, 2008 10:14 AM
 

EMONEY617 said:

good article ILLSEED...

just gotta remember that spell check, haha
April 9, 2008 10:22 AM
 

Hemi said:

ILLSEED you are right on the money here. We now deal with a much more advanced form of racism and they disguise it in many ways and try to be much more low key about it. When they were discussing the mortage meltdown there was large disproportations in the amount of whites and African Americans that were given sub-prime mortages, which really could have qualified for conventional mortages. They use many different ways to try to hold us back and down as well as discredit us. Obama examplifies the struggle that we blacks have in all fields of life from entertainment to business. He is going through what we all feel on a daily basis. He is lucky enough to have his put out to the media so that the world can jude the unfairness of it. Those everday folks don't have that fortune to be able to expose those that try to keep them back. THEY SURELY LIVE and we must keep the fight going to KEEP THEM EXPOSED
April 9, 2008 10:27 AM
 

Heavyweight313 said:

@    c_a_k !

GET EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can feel the attitude in your comment! I LOVE IT! LOL!

It's the thought process of most of the AHH staff and readers that continues to inspire my thoughts!!!

I couldnt have quoated it better "Work together or go down together!"

@ illseed
For the 2nd time:
POWERFUL ARTICLE!!!!!!

I am emailing it to everybody I know!!
AHH ISN'T A WEBSITE, ITS A MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 9, 2008 10:30 AM
 

MS. BEE said:

Illseed.......love how you used the analogy "They Live" because it's almost like "do they really still make racist people like you".....YES! Very thoughtful article! I don't feel that you are wasting your time doing rumors as another blogger indicated. Rumors are fun, light weight, and care free....and besides we all come here for Illseed's rumor's anyway ; ) Writing about serious topics all the time I'm sure can really be draining.
April 9, 2008 10:31 AM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

Very good read Illseed. This one is the truth.
I mean racism lives all over the world, but in
America, there are still too many conservatives
that are trying to keep the old picture. They
are those hypocrites who act like they don't
have any dirt under their carpets and always
try to blackball others.
On the other hand we also need to check our
selves. Too many of us are also more racist
than necessary. Sure we are mostly forced
into it by circumstances in America. But on
the other hand how many of us are bashing
gays, jewish or even latinos. How much hate
we direct at our own ppl. Using guns to shoot
our brothers and sisters. Brothers treating our
sisters bad, like sisters treating our brothers
without any respect.

I am all for Obama, because only he can be the
restart of the matrix.
April 9, 2008 10:35 AM
 

Above All said:

bill oreily needs a swift kick in the nutz


good read
April 9, 2008 10:36 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

Gr8 article Illseed, man got skills!!! U speak the truth!!!

I found A video about Katrina n Spike Lee, ages ago jst after Katrina and sum conspiracy (or not) about it!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7j0SqSn14A
April 9, 2008 10:37 AM
 

Da Mayor Dick Daley said:

Good article iLLseed!!!

JUST YESTERDAY some white dude when introducing John McCain, said, "You can have your Tiger Woods... We'll take John McCain."

WTF? ? ? ? ? ?

Cracka ass crackas.
I think I'm racist too sometimes.
April 9, 2008 10:37 AM
 

Esq. of LastLeveL said:

I thought the article was very unique in it's approach to racism and racial bias, and I want to say thanks to illseed for trying to shed some light on a very real, and overlooked facit of American life. People should know too that it's not just about the black and white anymore, it's a state of mind that needs to be carefully observed, because nowadays there are blacks who are racist against other blacks and so on and so forth. This is real, "Work together or go down together – there are no other options."

@gottheanswer:

Benefits? What benefits do the Native Americans get from the American government? Talk to a few Native Americans and I'm sure they'll tell you different my friend. Also, you talk about slavery as if it were a thing of the past. No matter what 'they' try to make you believe, delve deeper into the ways of the world and you'll see that slavery still exists today. Modern slavery is real, although, in America, it doesn't exist in the volumes it once did, in many other countries slavery is alive and well.
April 9, 2008 10:39 AM
 

SeanJohn81 said:

Whats good AHH Fam??????
April 9, 2008 10:46 AM
 

George Bush » They Live: The Bigots Are Here said:

April 9, 2008 10:47 AM
 

TRYMESON said:

Good editorial Illseed, you could actually right a book on the topic considering there is so much material of these blatant racists comments people are able to broadcast without much scrutiny.  Hell watch Lou Dobbs 5 days a week he goes on about two things 1) War on the middle class 2) Threat of illegal immigrants, which in most times he links together as to say one is cause by the other smh.

But overall I think the nail you hit in the head is the fact that a lot of these people you mentioned wouldn't consider themselves racists since they have "black" friends or whatever (Lou Dobbs wife is latina) but the problem is as a collective whole they DO NOT like any race different then their own.  So they might not a have a problem with a well known black individual but I bet you they don't like the race as a collective whole (or the stereotype of it they have ingrained in their brain).
April 9, 2008 11:02 AM
 

Don Won said:

good read illseed.  the sad thing is is that racism will never die.  it's instilled in the blood of generations of people.  if it is going to stop, it needs to start with all of us and we need to pass that onto our children.  a lot of times kids grow up racist just cause their parents are, and that's all they know.  
April 9, 2008 11:09 AM
 

DapperBoy24 said:

Illseed, well written, coincidentally, I wrote about something very similar (focusing on O'Reilly's comment along with his many other ones) on my blog - keep dabbling with their minds, homie!
April 9, 2008 11:12 AM
 

gottheanswer said:

@Esq. of LastLeveL

Let me state that i don't mean that those people don't struggle or have their share of problems.. but you want to know the benefits: well they go to school for free if you want to look at the others you can find them here at this website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
like i said slavery is nothing new. but people today enslave them selves by what they want.. there are also cases in which people are kidnapped and forced into slavery, but it is no where near as bad as it once was. but i wasn't saying that native americans ALL live the good life.. i think there are benefits that are availible for all people that many don't know about or take advange of. from MY UNDERSTANDING native americans have more of these benefits... as for slavery, it's illegal.
April 9, 2008 11:12 AM
 

toppbrass said:

This is hilarious because if you flip this whole article around and if it was wrote by a white person and about black people it would be another example of the white persons racism.  Think about it "THEY LIVE and they are aliens from another planet".  The race baiters that illseed and most of you posters are.  I especially love the racist on here calling white people crackers posting on a forum where racism is the subject and you're "supposedly trying to move past it"  That's hilarious.  

I don't doubt racism is still alive, but I guarentee the majority of racism comes from Black people who have this huge chip on their shoulder that they were born with which they can't seem to shake.  I guarentee a majority of you have never experienced the racism your grandparents face and I say grandparents because they were really the last african americans to feel the true racism that you claim to experience.  

It's funny because I was listening to the Bill O'reilly comment live on his radio show the exact moment he said it and I cringed my teeth exactly when he said it, not because I thought it was racist but because I knew the contreversy that would be born out of it.  I could see the Jesse Jacksons and the Rev. WRongs and there pit bulls attacking from all angles.  The funny thing about the situation was Bill was actually defending Michelle Obama which needed no defending.  This woman went to the most privledged schools in America is in the top 1% of weathly americans.  Has had every opportunity in the world not because of her race and not because she is a woman but because she busted her ass, she worked hard, she studied hard, and she got what anyone deserves who works hard in this country.  THAT'S WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT!!!  She doesn't see it that way though it took her husband to be the front runner for President of the United States to "be proud of my Country for the first time in my adult life"  Do we not live in the greatest country on the planet?  Does our country not identfy the problems we have and have had and do the best that we can to correct them?  Have we not been the shining city on the Hill which every modernized country trirs to emulate?  If you who read this and doubt this then I challenge you to move to that country which is greater than ours and prove me wrong!!!

McCain 08
He adopted a little black girl many years ago"I'm sure he's a racist though"
He has two sons that serve and have served in Iraq and Afghanistan and he himself was tortured in a prison camp for 6 years at the Hanio Hilton
"I'm sure he's a warmonger though"

Think before you write and you might write something worthwhile...
April 9, 2008 11:12 AM
 

D.I.C.E. said:

George Bush (sr and jr)
Lou dobbs
Saen Hannity
Ann coultre
John McCaine
Bill o'riely
Rush Limbauhg
Kelly Ann Conway

And anyone who supports them, All are racist muthafuckas who want america to go back to the "good ol' days". They all need to be takin out, real spit........
April 9, 2008 11:27 AM
 

thevision said:

You really dove into that one huh? I have to read it again and hit you with a real response.
April 9, 2008 11:28 AM
 

Stand_Alone said:

Finally someone exposes this to the masses!!!

I have been making note of some of these things for years as changes have slowly been happening. I dont even know where to start....these "aliens" are everywhere, my dude.

Slip ups in tongue are happening because the "aliens" see their  world slipping away from them and its fustrating. To be fair, I have to say that some of this is anger may be caused because  they can not express their fustration openly because they know some of us[african-americans] will start to rant and rave. I honestly feel that we should let go of the double standard[talking about them, but crying when its vice versa] because its hard to plead our case if we are not going to be fair ourselves. Some of these "aliens" are using that double standard to flip shit back in our face[Imus talks shit, we bitch, so "aliens" point to Hip Hop]. I think we have to be very careful not to loose potential allies in our struggle due to this.

Subliminal suggesting is everywhere. I look at some of these movie titles and commercials wondering hmmm....[Something New-that was for the weak sistas', Never Back Down-we know who thats for...etc] I remember watching a aquafina commercial that has a male character[whos not supposed to be any said race], but his voice is definitely an african american. He says some shit like "look at me, there's nothing in me..." or some shit along those lines. I was like WTF?!?! I see specials on Adolf Hitler come on cable every so often wondering why is this sick fuckers life constantly revisited? Every so often American History X[dig that title] wants to find its way on t.v. Sure you could say it has a certain meaning, but it could also increase enrollment in the wrong kinds of activity when the disgruntled view it. Its a lot of little sneaky shit out there.

Some of this I believe maybe counterattacks to keep power and influence where its mostly been. Also to keep certain people divided. I look at Hip Hop and think how once upon a time it was this great thing all of us could talk to each other through, rally for causes, address political and community issues, etc. I think that shit terrified "the aliens", so they decide to kill that hopeful dignified voice and replace it with an ignorant destructive one. As a result, the younger generation want to party, live it up, and be proud to be as ignorant and materialistic as they can be. In short easy to manipulate.

The "aliens" seized control of the vehicles that catered to us non-aliens, so that they may secretly bombard the non-aliens with their own propaganda. Aww, man I could talk this shit for days....its a mess. This is why I bitch often about responsibility. Those of us that have tools at our disposal really need to use them to combat this shit. We have to stop fucking around and express this shit to our kids responsibly so that they have their "alien glasses" ready. Things on one hand appear to be better than they've ever been[positions of power, buisness, etc.] but on the other hand, there are "aliens" hard at work behind the scenes destroying are unity, respect, love for each other, etc. Some even employ are own people so that the destruction comes from a familiar face....on some trojan horse shit.

Lifetime props for shedding light to the masses on this Illseed!!!
April 9, 2008 11:47 AM
 

toppbrass said:

It's really sad how bad the Democrat party uses black people.  They drive this agenda that America is still this huge racist state and they are the answers to all your problems.  I meet think about it when 99% of black people vote Democrat doesn't it make since to keep that racism idea alive???  Where would Democrats be without the black vote?  Many of you should really educate yourself on politics you might one day wake up and see the light.  The only the Democrats are doing is holding you back and telling you that you can't make it on your own.  Once you realize you can do anything you want you have NO use for the Democrat party ever again!!!
April 9, 2008 11:50 AM
 

HERHOP said:

NOW THAT WE KNOW HOW WHITE PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT US  

NOW WHAT?

MAYBE WE SHOULD AH STICK TOGETHER?  YA' THINK?

OR ARE WE TOO INDIVIDUAL?

GREAT READ ILLSEED, AT LEAST YOU GOT THEM THINKIN' AND THAT'S A START...................
April 9, 2008 11:50 AM
 

IManage said:

Good read Illseed.  This issue does need some attention amongst us.
April 9, 2008 11:56 AM
 

Nex Gin said:

@ JRucker:
    co-sign 100%.

This is my first time posting but I always like to read the comments just to see where our thought process is as a people. Racism in America is, in particular, one of my favorite topics of discussion because of the the overall view that white American has of it, "not existing".  I am so happy that Obama is in this position because it is smoking all of the undercover racists out of their holes.  The fact is that racism is alive and well in 2008.  We as blacks see it every day.  Admittedly, some of us are hypersensitive to it and pull the race card whenever possible (ie. Vogue cover with Lebron).  If it weren't for the almighty dollar, I think racist attitudes would be more prevalent in the mainstream.  A lot of business savvy people don't openly profess their racist idealism because it would hurt their bottom line.  Essentially, they care more for the green than to let the potential backlash from the black uproar, fuck up they paper.  I also understand that we have to shoulder the blame for some of the stereotypes, that we perpetuate, that continue to be fuel for the finger pointing racists who can't wait to say "See I told you they were criminals and animals" (ie.  all the high profile rappers getting busted for stupid shit, Hell Rell on the dvd talking all that "he a street nigga bullshit").  Even if you are a "street nigga", it don't doesn't mean that you have to be a stupid muthafuka on top of it [but that's another thread].  Anyway, if the comments made by these people in the media, especially Bill O' Racist, are not evidence that racism if flourishing in 2008, play XBox live for a while and you'll hear what some of America really thinks of us.  Yes I said it XBox live.  I can't count the number of times I've heard some teenager refer to us as Niggers, jungle bunnies, coons, you name it.  Online and the internet have become the new white hoods of the day where racists can say what they feel while concealing their identities like a bunch of cowards.  The same teenagers spitting that hate online are the same ones smiling in your face in public like everything is all good.  

@  Esq. of LastLeveL:

Co-sign. Modern slavery is 100% real.  Those of us who aren't concious, observant and informed are likely to be the victims of these new forms of racism and segregation.  It is more mental, institutional, informational and monetary than the racism of the past.  The divide and conquer strategy of racists has evolved and often times we ourselves are the catalysts that continue to drive the wedge between us.  You have the "thugs" or "street" cats that don't like the "educated" or "concious" dudes and vice versa (we've all read the arguments on AHH threads).  You got the "ballers" that talk down on the "have-nots" and vice versa.  You got the "G-unit" supports who want to kill the "Fat Joe"  supporters and vice versa.  You got the dudes who like that song by their favorite rapper calling the dudes who dissed the song a bunch of haters and all kinda other bullshit.  Whatever happened to "we all the same people fighting the same struggle".  All that other bullshit we be fighting about is just distracting us from the real issues.

-- Let me get off my soap box
April 9, 2008 11:59 AM
 

Cmacjb said:

Nice read Illseed, Yo Racism is a live they just be concealing it. Thats why when Obama wins maybe people of other races and nationalities will open up their eyes and realize American can change.
April 9, 2008 12:01 PM
 

BAROCK OJOHNA 816KCMO said:

I LIVE IN KCMO KANSAS/MISSOURI
HELL WE WERE THE LAST STATE TO FREE SLAVES AND THEY STILL MAD ABOUT THAT YOU ALL SHOULD SEE KANSAS CITY ITS DIVIDED INTO BY A STATE LINE ITS SO SEGREGATED ITS CRAZY BUT YESTERDAY IN CLASS MY PROFESSOR MADE A RACIST COMMENT HE SAID WHILE I WAS PRESENT THE ONLY BLACK KID IN CLASS HE HAPPY THOSE GHETTO THUGS AT MEMPHIS LOST I WAS SHOCKED AND APALLED AND DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY?
April 9, 2008 12:08 PM
 

Crippled Seedz said:

IllSeed is right........... They live. That's why I wear my sunglasses at night!!
April 9, 2008 12:27 PM
 

toppbrass said:

NO you wear your sunglasses at night because you are a DORK!!!
April 9, 2008 12:32 PM
 

BlackPeople 1 said:

word em up all day. that's why i never let my gaurd down.

but on the flip?

yo, THEY LIVE gotta a classic underated fight scene it.
Him and Rowdy Rod Piper had to tear that shit over some old shit.

That shit was classic.

-Black People
April 9, 2008 12:34 PM
 

System_Of_A_Brown said:

@ Leche_Dinero

that was the most ingorant thing i've ever heard.  i guess its ok for you to use racist slurs like cracker huh??

@ gottheanswer

i would say the plight of native americans is far worse in the US than that of black people.  after europeans invaded north america, natives had no place to go, most of them died from diseases brought over from europe, eventually they were given little parcels of land as a consolation.  and obviously slavery was horrible but at least black people still had a homeland back in africa.

@ Da Mayor Dick Daley

"Cracka ass crackas" you? a racist? no way!!

@ toppbrass

i agree with a lot of what you said.  as for your challenge about moving to a country greater than the US.  all you need to do is look north my friend.  Canada is the place to be!!  I've lived in both the US and in Canada, and i would say Canada is a much more tollerant society.

@ illseed

overall great article
April 9, 2008 12:42 PM
 

Marty MacFly said:

This was a good editorial Illseed! In reality, everyday working in corporate America you will see these "so called" slip ups or ignorant acts that it'll make you sick. They'll apologize or ask condescending questions about your race relating to stereotypes. The word "black" is feared and misunderstood. If you notice every term that has black in either the prefix or suffix the explanation is usually negative. Black is unconsciously taught/learned as a negative occurrence. We are just getting a taste of their frustration that a black man is actually in the race for president. I just wish we could all hear what they're actually thinking about us as a race...
April 9, 2008 12:51 PM
 

themc said:

I quite fighting racism. i just try and live with it now as theres nothing I can do about it...


Good article.




roc.a.fella.yo.
April 9, 2008 12:57 PM
 

Nimitiz said:

IllSeed great editorial. This is something thats talked about in my inner circle a lot. Im glad you are making an effort to bring to so many who may not have been paying attention to whats really going on. Racism is here and will be here long after many of us are dead. Its subtle now but if you listen to a cat long enough his/her true feelings will ring true.

Whats happening is for everyone paying attention. The closer we get the crunch time the more people start to show what they are about. Hell I've seen more about Obama's ex-pastor than I heard about Whitewater (why hasnt Obama played this Domino yet?) and Enron put together. I just feel that if you are a person of color in the country the USA is showing you right now what Politics in the country is all about.

The best thing any one of us can do is get out there an vote. McKKKain is one of those good ol boys and watch all the shit that comes up about voting machines...etc...etc...etc when its time to vote. We cant let that happen. Get out there and vote.
Not saying Obama will be able to do any of what he says he can. But what it does is put the country on notice, mainly the people who've been shitting on this country for years.  
April 9, 2008 12:58 PM
 

Esq. of LastLeveL said:

@gottheanswer:

In an argument such as this, I don't think using Wikipedia will suffice as a solid and credible source, not that everything is incorrect, but not that everything IS correct. These 'benefits' are no more than mere 'perks.' You have to look at what was lost and ask yourself if these 'benefits' can possibly amount and equal what was taken away...in which case, no, they don't NEARLY compensate the Native American people for what they endured. You are correct though, alot of people are ignorant to resources available to them to have better lives, but I wouldn't call them 'benefits.' So much has been lost, that no amount of money can make up for the damages done.

@topbrass:

Well said, but I believe when you educate yourself to the FURTHEST extent...you'll realise that the people don't control this government's elected officials. Democratic, Republican, and all the other parties can be viewed as devices of seperation and segregation. I'm not going to get deep into this though. It's more like a popularity contest, the electoral vote is most important. NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T VOTE, but our positioning in the race is ridiculously low. But I guess, this can be viewed as a plus and a minus. It's all about how you look at it, and everyone is different and has different outlooks, opinions, and goals. Too much power granted to the people would bring this country to even further ruin, because alot DON'T educate themselves enough and go with the popular vote, which in turn, may not be the best vote. Also, there are still those rebels who refuse to vote for whatever reasons they may have. If you feel that this process is pointless and that you mean nothing...I say this again, fight. Don't complain and fuss over YOUR, AND YOUR LOVED ONES WELL BEING IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO TAKE THE NECESSARY STEPS FOR CHANGE FOR THEIR SAKE. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, OR STAND DOWN AND OBEY. NUMBERS SPEAK IN VOLUMES. I hope this made sense.

@BAROCK OJOHNA 816KCMO:

Man, that's messed up.
April 9, 2008 1:07 PM
 

Nex Gin said:

@ System_Of_A_Brown

I agree with 90% of what you said, however, comparing the plight of Native Americans to that of black people is exactly what is wrong with the mentality of a lot of people in this world.  Slaves suffered from death and disease during that period of abduction and enslavement.  They had nowhere to go.  How many do you know that could pick up there bags and move back to Africa.  We definitely didn't get any parcels of land.  We're still waiting on that 40 acres and a mule.  Comparing those plights is like comparing either to the Jewish hollocaust.  The bottom line is that there were a lot of people negatively affected by the ignorant actions of others.

@ Leche_Dinero

Yes. Truly ignorant statement.  Any race of people can be racist.  You can't base racism on someone's ethnic background.  Every race of people have individuals within that race who are either full blown bigots or ignorant to the ethnic sensitivities of other races.  You cannot condemn an entire race based on the ignorance of some.  That makes you no better than them.  That's like saying all apples are green cause all you've ever seen are Granny Smiths.  GTFOH.
April 9, 2008 1:19 PM
 

Im_African said:

PLEASE STOP Illseed! Now, no doubt I agree all of these remarks are Racially charged but Lets be real-- If you thought Racism was dead you had your head in the sand!! I'm sick of talking about peoples petty biases and racist remarks. Yes Racism is real... You cant stop every mother*ucker who wants to be racist. You wont change a country that was BUILT ON RACISM (genocide, slavery, jim crow, co-intel pro, FBI, CIA, colonialism the list goes on) by calling out every time Imus, Bill O'racist, Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity say racist shit! Im to the point that I  dont care because I know their racist but I know there's Covert racism that really affecting our community on a much larger basis.   The REAL PROBLEMS are:

The fucked up loans given to Blacks at higher rates
The Prison just-us system
Poverty
Black family and Extended family issues (brought on by Reganomics welfare programs that normalized single parenthood in our community)
Lack of GOOD Black Leadership destroyed by counter-intelligence programs lead by the FBI
HIV/AIDS and STD's
Violence (black on Black crime)
Drugs
and many more--------------------

NEWS FLASH---- Some White people are Racist!

Ok now that we understand that--- lets deal with the real problems that plauge our community! Because i know none of these comments are going to affect Our community the way HIV/AIDS or violence and drug use have affected our communities...
April 9, 2008 1:20 PM
 

DC CA$HVILLE said:

Nice story, Illseed!!!

The Lou Dobbs comment was a obvious jab at black politicians, but the McCain comment, according to Kellyanne, is up in the air.  McCain's old as fuck and doesn't know what a good cliché is.

Peace and more hari grease,

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April 9, 2008 1:26 PM
 

Nex Gin said:

@Im_African
co-sign
April 9, 2008 1:26 PM
 

DC CA$HVILLE said:

@Illseed

I see you use the movie "They Live" as a metaphor for undercover racists on TV.  Do you remember the long ass fight scene in the movie between Rowdy Piper and the black man.  All Rowdy was trying to do was show him what he sees in the glasses.  You (Illseed) is Rowdy Piper and the black man are the Rev. David Manning's, Clarence Thomas', and Condelleza Rice's, Amy Holmes', and any other Uncle Tom's of the world.

Peace and more hair grease,

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April 9, 2008 1:31 PM
 

Marty MacFly said:

 
toppbrass said:
This is hilarious because if you flip this whole article around and if it was wrote by a white person and about black people it would be another example of the white persons racism.  Think about it "THEY LIVE and they are aliens from another planet".  The race baiters that illseed and most of you posters are.  I especially love the racist on here calling white people crackers posting on a forum where racism is the subject and you're "supposedly trying to move past it"  That's hilarious.  

I don't doubt racism is still alive, but I guarentee the majority of racism comes from Black people who have this huge chip on their shoulder that they were born with which they can't seem to shake.  I guarentee a majority of you have never experienced the racism your grandparents face and I say grandparents because they were really the last african americans to feel the true racism that you claim to experience.  

It's funny because I was listening to the Bill O'reilly comment live on his radio show the exact moment he said it and I cringed my teeth exactly when he said it, not because I thought it was racist but because I knew the contreversy that would be born out of it.  I could see the Jesse Jacksons and the Rev. WRongs and there pit bulls attacking from all angles.  The funny thing about the situation was Bill was actually defending Michelle Obama which needed no defending.  This woman went to the most privledged schools in America is in the top 1% of weathly americans.  Has had every opportunity in the world not because of her race and not because she is a woman but because she busted her ass, she worked hard, she studied hard, and she got what anyone deserves who works hard in this country.  THAT'S WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT!!!  She doesn't see it that way though it took her husband to be the front runner for President of the United States to "be proud of my Country for the first time in my adult life"  Do we not live in the greatest country on the planet?  Does our country not identfy the problems we have and have had and do the best that we can to correct them?  Have we not been the shining city on the Hill which every modernized country trirs to emulate?  If you who read this and doubt this then I challenge you to move to that country which is greater than ours and prove me wrong!!!

McCain 08
He adopted a little black girl many years ago"I'm sure he's a racist though"
He has two sons that serve and have served in Iraq and Afghanistan and he himself was tortured in a prison camp for 6 years at the Hanio Hilton
"I'm sure he's a warmonger though"

Think before you write and you might write something worthwhile...
_____________________________________________________

You made a lot of very good points and I agree with some to a certain extent. When you say that black people hold a grudge for what our grandparents witnessed is actually false. My parents witnessed racism first hand! I'm pretty sure my white brothers and sisters can track their heritage all the way back to the early 1700's. We are the race that has NO identity. Our families was stripped its culture/beliefs/names/respect/happiness etc. and yes it does trickle down on todays black individuals. We still suffer to this day because families were broken up and sold individually. You had kids not knowing their parents and in a sense this can explain how some some men and women abandon their children now. We were stripped of a family structure and all the blessings that a family offers a child. We now live in a society where we have to work two even three times as hard as a white person to make it in this world. This is why you see many black people being more selfish because we have to step on our own brothers and sisters to make it. Our HBCU's aren't recognized as formidable colleges opposed to the traditional predominantly white schools. You see how they take our best athletes and tell them that they can't have a professional career by attending an HBCU which is false. Working in corporate America your always the butt of black jokes or stereotypes. Its like we have a foot on our backs trying to keep us from getting up. You may see things in a well trained white eye but you will never see the big picture in our perspective. I can go on for days...but I won't I have to get back to the corporate world and be good black boy...LOL
April 9, 2008 1:32 PM