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A Black Man's Worth In Amerikkka 
Published Friday, May 09, 2008 11:18 PM
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Charlamagne of "The Wendy Williams Experience"


I was starting to have the feeling that things where changing here in Amerikkka. I was starting to think that the American creed of Freedom, Justice, and Equality was starting to be applied to all races and was just not exclusively for the rich, high class, White people.

I was starting to think with the rise of Barack Obama that maybe, just maybe we where starting to be treated equally in all facets of American society. I mean even though Barack Obama is of mixed race he is in every aspect looked upon as a Black man. 

When I saw people like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and the likes of them embracing Obama I started to feel like, wow MLK's dream is being realized! A Black man is not being judged by the color of his skin but by the content of his character.  

My fairy tale came to a screeching halt on Friday April 25, 2008 when the Sean Bell verdict came down. I was reminded quickly and swiftly that a Black man's life has never had any value here in Amerikkka. Detectives Michael Oliver, Gescard Isnora, and Marc Cooper, the three New York City police officers accused of shooting 50 times and murdering Sean Bell, were found not guilty on all counts.

Oliver fired 31 times and claims to not remember shooting the first time - that's why he reloaded and started shooting again? How could Judge Arthur Cooperman not find that utterly insane? Is that not the epitome of incompetence? When I hear a man speak like that I have to question his mental state and have to wonder is he even psychologically fit to be a cop.

Isnora, who fired 11 times, had been charged with manslaughter, felony assault, and reckless endangerment. Cooper, who fired four times, faced up to a year in jail if convicted of reckless endangerment. They faced up to 25 years in prison if convicted on all charges, yet they where all found not guilty.   

Another Black man murdered; two others shot the f**k up and the old a** judge Arthur Cooperman's reasoning was the demeanor of the witnesses made him question their character and the past police records of the victims played a role in his decision. Wow, so Malcolm X had a police record, he was a former felon; Martin Luther King Jr. had a police record also.  He had been to jail several times. 

Does Judge Arthur Cooperman believe those great brothers murders where justified because of their past records? Since Judge Arthur Cooperman wants to talk about character and demeanor I have to question the character of every NYPD police officer I run into now because of the murderous demeanor of these cops who got off, not to mention the murderous demeanor of the cops who killed Eleanor Bumpurs, Michael Stewart, and Amadou Diallo.

The same way they can't tell a good Black man from a Black man who might actually be causing them a threat, I can't tell the difference between a good cop who might really being trying to protect and to serve and a bad cop who can't wait to use his brand new government issued pistol on me.  

Situations like this are why the hood says, “F**k the police.” This is why the stop snitching campaign is in effect because even when it's justified for me to cooperate and help, why should I cooperate and help a system that will never cooperate and help my Black a**?  When Barack Obama speaks of people being bitter and having no faith in government this is why.

Verdicts like this are the reason we cling to our respective religions, why we cling to our guns and why we have resentment towards a so-called justice system that delivers us an injustice every chance they get. I must say Amerikka stayed true to tradition with that verdict. They reminded everyone that a Black man's life has absolutely no value here in Amerikkka.  

Ever read “100 Years of Lynching” by Ralph Ginzburg? Pick that up and read how a Black man in Louisiana was lynched by an orderly mob on March 17th, 1908 because he was suspected of stealing a mule. Read how on July 14th, 1914 in Mississippi a Black man was hung because he was suspected of stealing cows. Read how on December 5, 1914 in Spartanburg, SC they hung a Black man because he was suspected of stealing a chicken. History continues to repeat itself. 

In 2007 Michael Vick was sent to prison because he fought and killed dogs, and in 2008 three cops who kill a Black man get off? Animal life has more value than a Black man here in Amerikkka.   

It's a damn shame in 2006 Sean Bell was killed because he was suspected of having a gun, the same way a Black man was killed because he was suspected of stealing a cow. Well, these public killings, lynching, if you will, still go on today - because on November 25, 2006 Sean Bell was shot, and the public hanging and burning of Sean Bell's body happened on April 27, 2008 when that abortion of justice was handed down as a verdict.

How am I supposed to feel empowered as a young Black man in Amerikkka? When situations like this happen a feeling of fear comes over the Black community. If I'm educated they can still shoot me down if they want to, if I'm rich they can still shoot me down if they want to, if I'm a highly religious spiritual leader they can still shoot me down if they want to.  

This public lynching of Sean Bell rekindles the fear they want us to have for the system.  It's the same fear slave masters like Willie Lynch instilled in his slaves while he spoke on the banks of the James River in the colony of Virginia in 1712. He demanded those devils to instill fear in Black people because it was a cardinal rule to make a Negro submissive.

The Sean Bell verdict is the equivalent of taking the meanest and most restless negro, stripping him of his clothes in front of the other male negroes as well as the female and the kids, tying each leg to a horse faced in opposite directions, setting the brother on fire, and beating both horses to pull him apart in front of the remaining negroes. This puts the fear of this evil system into Black people. Not only will they be submissive, but they won't get out of line.  

Well I'm telling you Black people all I fear is Allah. I submit to no one but the creator. I'm telling you it's time to get out of line. No Justice, No Peace. All you leaders calling for peace, I understand you but it's against the laws of nature. It's against the laws of Karma. 

What's about to happen is Cause and Effect. Good Deeds create good consequences, injustice creates war. You must destroy in order to build, that's a Universal Principal that existed before us, and it's going to be here after we are gone.

You gang bangers want to bang - well now is the time and that energy should not be directed at each other anymore. I can show you who the real enemy is. You brothers are going to have to start being the frontline of defense in the communities.  

It's not a Black versus White thing either. I know White people who are just as pissed about this situation as we are.  Racism is a learned behavior. Whites where not born to hate Blacks and Blacks where not born to hate Whites. The law of karma, the law of cause and effect, and the law of polarity have created these racist conditions.

We must unlearn what we have learned and see each other in each other and fight together because the truth is, with all these Black men falling in love with White women and having babies that look like Barack Obama, whose to say your child might not be getting murdered by this evil system in the future?

As Martin Luther King Jr. said, "an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" and we will get justice in the words of Malcolm X, "By Any Means Necessary."


Comments

 

MAK™ said:

"BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY"

-MAK-
May 9, 2008 11:41 PM
 

gargameljermel said:

Excellent writting!! Thank you for that!!
May 9, 2008 11:56 PM
 

nofrown said:

maybe those cops did hear someone mention something about a gun . and if so they felt intimidated and said them or me .plus these guys were drug dealers and they reacted very iffy because of their life style they saw these guys approaching them with guns and they probably didnt hear the cops say freeze because of the evil they have done so they just tried to run the cops over .i think the cops were justified.  and if you all stop this boo woo me crap youll realized that it makes sense
May 10, 2008 12:08 AM
 

nofrown said:

but on the flip side a life was taken so in the end there are kids out there without a father and that is the sadest part
May 10, 2008 12:12 AM
 

Bed-Stuy Ambassador Doug said:

^^^^^^ Shut the fuck up. If Sean Bell was your father would it be justified? Fucking faggot
May 10, 2008 12:21 AM
 

Dove said:

Good article Charlamagne!! Very powerful.

Meanwhile this "nofrown" character hits us with the wackness
May 10, 2008 12:32 AM
 

RedDeezo said:

none of that matters dawg...Black, white, indian, spanish...none of that matters...SURVIVAL. U either smoke...or u get smoked. People complain to much. Just survive. There'll never be a perfect world, that's for them dumb religious people. The truth is u do what u gotta do..Sean Bell OBVIOUSLY didn't do what he had to do..Im not coming at him, but he dead..If the cops got off for doing that, why hate? They surviving..If the situation was reversed and some niggas got off on some bullshit this wouldn't be talked about..My whole point is that stop tryna lynch them cops and stop bringing up old shit about them early niggas who got lynched cause that shit don't matter.. Stop feeling sorry for people so much cause nobody would give a fuck about u..
May 10, 2008 12:41 AM
 

Bed-Stuy Ambassador Doug said:

^^^^^^ Shut the fuck up. What the fuck you mean "Sean Bell didnt do what he had to do"? Are you on crack you Fucking faggot
May 10, 2008 12:45 AM
 

MizzNaeChail said:

WOW...I loved this. Very poignant. And to RedDeezo, it owuld be talked about if a bunch of black guys got away with something similar...it'd probably be talked about more!! Don't get it twisted, the media LOVES to shine the negative light on the black man at any and every chance they get and then make the situation seem worse than it is....ask Rev. Wright. For that matter...ask Micheal Vick!!
May 10, 2008 1:06 AM
 

Tommy K. said:

People, now is that time where we need to come together to make a change. We are never going to reach out "justice" unless we unite and take action! We can't just post on here and say what needs to be done, we gotta actually go out there and get involved. It does not matter where you are from or what resources you have because every little bit counts. I don't care if it's just passing knowledge to some kids to let them know what's really going on around them, or going to the streets and protesting, get on our job! That is my challenge to you IC members!
May 10, 2008 1:37 AM
 

RIPO said:

Excellent Article
May 10, 2008 1:41 AM
 

Tommy K. said:

reach our*
May 10, 2008 1:44 AM
 

bboy said:

I concur, Gang Bangers are banging the wrong people
May 10, 2008 1:56 AM
 

Rosewood_Hellshire said:

yo you hit it right on the head

"In 2007 Michael Vick was sent to prison because he fought and killed dogs, and in 2008 three cops who kill a Black man get off? Animal life has more value than a Black man here in Amerikkka. "
May 10, 2008 1:56 AM
 

Rugger said:

Very well written. The key to succeeding is unity in my opinion. That means every race, every gang, every class. Unified, we won't depend on the police either. The whole divide and conquer tactics along with segregation are what keep the government powerful and  keep the injustices flowing.
May 10, 2008 2:20 AM
 

Myspace.com/Ijemin said:

feelin like Malcom today huh

i here u though...thas way i gotta stay on the positive side of EVERYTHING
im quick to get blamed for alot
May 10, 2008 2:59 AM
 

jubilee.shine said:

community control over the police.

all-elected, all-civilian police control boards.




unite the many, defeat the few!
May 10, 2008 3:04 AM
 

arana roja said:

"In 2007 Michael Vick was sent to prison because he fought and killed dogs, and in 2008 three cops who kill a Black man get off? Animal life has more value than a Black man here in Amerikkka. "

That says it all.

May 10, 2008 5:37 AM
 

hiphopgivesback.org said:

We should not be fooled by the success of Barack Obama. I am a big supporter, but we have to realize that we are dealing with White America here. They bring you up, to break you down. I just feel that there is some sort of hidden agenda behind all of this. I would love to be wrong, but it is just my feelings. I love his success but I am having a difficult time understanding why Hillary has yet to pull out. What is her plan? What is there plan? There is thing about the New World Order / North American Union going around and the Clintons are apart of it. If Barack does win, I hope he does not make her VP. I feel she will go as far as to have him ASSASSINATED, which in return will make her PRESIDENT! Or she could simply be hangingin there to further demoralize him so she can win in 2012!

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May 10, 2008 8:16 AM
 

HiP-hOp-AdDiCt said:

@Bed-Stuy Ambassador Doug

I AGREE WIT U DOG. RedDeezo IZ ONE IGNANT ASS DUDE 4 SAYING

''Sean Bell OBVIOUSLY didn't do what he had to do''

HOW CAN U SAY SUCH SH*T.

AND THE SITUATION WIT THEM COPS NOT GETTIN ANY JAIL TIME JUS PROVES DAT BLACK PEOPLE IN DIS COUTRY STIL HAVE LONG WAYZ 2 GO 4 EQUALITY.

I HAVE 2 GIVE IT UP 2 Charlamagne. DIS ARTICLE IS WELL PUT TOGETHER AND VERY WELL WRITTEN.

''They reminded everyone that a Black man's life has absolutely no value here in Amerikkka.''

DIS IZ DA TRUTH AND IF WE AS BLCK PEOPLE WANT 2 CHANGE DAT, WE HAVE TO UNITE 2GETHER.

R.I.P SEAN BELL AND ALL THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN AT THE HANDS OF DA SYSTEM DAT GOVERNS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERIKKKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 10, 2008 8:54 AM
 

odeisel said:

as long as you focus on bein gblack instead of being poor you will never win
May 10, 2008 9:33 AM
 

nofrown said:

i see the angry black people are awake and complaining all ready
 
May 10, 2008 10:11 AM
 

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May 10, 2008 10:17 AM
 

MOB4L said:

1. How can you effectively influence a system that you didn't even help to establish?

By ideals. God, Christianity, or whatever you want to call it, are all ideals that can effectively and directly influence mankind's reality, whatever that may be. Why is it that Pac, Biggie, MLK, Malcom X, Huey P. Newton and many others were assassinated? What has our reality been for the past few hundred years?

2. The Black man possesses the greatest value in the world!

....but we have been brainwashed to the point where most of us  don't even realize it. This is why we constantly get harrassed in many ways and continue to allow oursleves to accept such disrespect.

3. Why is it that God won't show any miracles for you when you call yourself testing His power?

...because He IS God, knows who He is and therefore lacks the interest in "pleasing" wishes/commands based on ignorance! So what I'm saying is that this world, this country you live in is YOURS!!! What we as Black men have to learn is how to take control of what is ours, and that's not through violence, for even though God is capable he refuses to act in such ways unless it is completely necessary. Learn through life and study how to be God of your own life without being God.....

He who hath an ear let him hear.....not everyone will understand what I just wrote....

God Bless
May 10, 2008 10:29 AM
 

LTBROWN said:

The same way they can't tell a good Black man from a Black man who might actually be causing them a threat, I can't tell the difference between a good cop who might really being trying to protect and to serve and a bad cop who can't wait to use his brand new government issued pistol on me.

COSIGN

EXCELLENT ARTICLE.

WE HAVE TO START WITH OUR OWN. BLACK MEN BILITTLE THEMSELVES AND US. THE WOMEN WHO GAVE THEM LIFE. EVERYTIME YOU DISRESPECT A BLACK WOMAN, YOU'RE DISRESRECTING YOURSELF.
WE'VE GOT TO STOP BELITTLING AND DOWNRATING EACH OTHER. WE ARE THE ONLY RACE OF PEOPLE WHO DO THIS. AND THAT GIVES OTHERS FREEDOM [THEY FEEL] TO DO IT TOO. TO VIEW OUR LIVES AS NOTHING MORE THEN LAZY ASS NIGGAZ WHO WANT TO GET EASY AND FAST MONEY. BITCHES AND HO'S WHO WANT TO USE THEIR FEMININE WILDS TO GET RICH.

WE GLORIFY EVERY TRAGEDY KNOWN TO MAN.THEN BITCH AND WHINE WHEN "THE CHICKENS COME HOME TO ROOST"

PIMPS
HO'S
BANGING
SLANGING
ROBBING
STEALING
PREMARITAL SEX
ABSENT PARENTS
&
KILLING

AND RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERY SITE. A SITE DEDICATED TO OUR CULTURE.
DON'T Y'ALL SEE IT OR IS IT TO HARD TO LOOK INWARD? I COME HERE EACH TIME WITH LOVE FOR MY PEOPLE AND THE DESIRE TO SEE US COME TOGETHER AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR DUMB SHIT. ONLY TO GET IGNORANCE THROWN AT ME.

A PERSON CANNOT FEEL FREE TO SPEAK TO THE URGENCY OF "FIXING OURSELVES" WITHOUT SOME IGNORANT NOTHING ASS "SELF PROCLAIMED NIGGAZ" BEING DISRESPECTFUL.

THE PROBLEM IS IN ALL OF US. START BANNING TOGETHER EACH AND EVERYTIME YOU SEE, HEAR OR READ SOMETHING THAT IS WRONG OR DISGRACEFUL. THEN AND ONLY THEN, WILL WE START TO GET CHANGE. WHEN WE START MAKING A CHANGE WITHIN OUR DAMN SELVES. FUCK WHOM YOU LIKE OR DISLIKE. BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE,DON'T LIKE ANY OF US!

ONE LOVE!
May 10, 2008 10:56 AM
 

Streetweyez Sayles said:

@Odeisel

You can be rich and black and still be subjected to the same type of racism. In America race trumps class. The rich blacks running around in America that think they are special are deluding themselves. Their money buys special privileges from the same power base that oppresses them. It pales in comparison to the power their white counterparts possess.
May 10, 2008 10:57 AM
 

Mysterygrimms said:

Very good article. I agree. We need to wake and realize who the real enemies are "The hindered Justice System and "The real powers to be in society" The Federal Reserve Central banks.

Also you raised a great point, this is not a black or white thing. MLK would cringe.... and fall to the ground if he seen this unequality, that is still around and probably even WORSE now then ever today. Just a different time and era. It's just masked within the legal system.

We as an "American Society" are the new age puppets. Things like this Sean Bell case reminds us of that everyday. Another day another struggle. We all need to become "aware" and see what really matters the TRUTH.

It ain't the jewelry you got, women you sleep with, clothes you wear, little fake influence you may have because you hold a little "supervisor" or management position" somewhere and you feel like you rule the earth. It's about finding out and knowing the real truth, in your community, hood, city, town and what is really going on in this world.

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May 10, 2008 11:03 AM
 

YOUNG ELZ said:

I be wondering....will the shit ever end!
May 10, 2008 11:04 AM
 

Mysterygrimms said:

 
Streetweyez Sayles said:
Odeisel

You can be rich and black and still be subjected to the same type of racism. In America race trumps class. The rich blacks running around in America that think they are special are deluding themselves. Their money buys special privileges from the same power base that oppresses them. It pales in comparison to the power their white counterparts possess.

@Streetweyez Sayles

Co-sign. Thats a big problem as well. Especially for us as black or Hispanics. We feel like we are more privy, special, or outright better because we may have a bigger bank account, job, education or a better situation, then some other unfortunate people within are own races.

Not all, but must do. We are the minority. It's funny how they even label us the "minority" it's like we are valued less just with that label. Anyways i don't want to sound like i'm preaching, i'm just truth seeking.

www.myspace.com/mysterygrimms
May 10, 2008 11:11 AM
 

Im_African said:

Excellent article.
This is a discussion that needs to be had even with the ensuing presidential election. I always try to tell people dont think Barack Obama is going to stop white supremacy. We must be as aware of our enemies now as we ever have been

And to those thinking its a class issue. You must realize in America race and class go hand and hand and are often mistaken for one another. You cannot separate the two! Its not just an accident that Blacks have higher rates of poverty than whites or that our Black economics now is similar to how they were in 1968 (read the Kerner report or the State of Black America). The same reason its not an accident more Blacks are in prison. Their all symptoms of America's disease of White supremacy. It is the disease that has lived and helped to empower European and American governments to enslave, colonize and economically dominate the "others". We have to be aware of this or we're going to fall for that Obama is president we should have nothing to complain about sh*t.  
May 10, 2008 11:21 AM
 

Kalibur1200 said:

Honestly I Think In The Next Couple Of Years (MAYBE SOONER) A Race War Will Take Place. Now I'm Not A Racist Nor Predjudice Person. I Happen To Be Cool With People Of All Races. But When It Comes Down To It.....I'ma Be Locked And Loaded If Muthafucka Try And Run Up On Me.
May 10, 2008 11:50 AM
 

NJRebel said:

Yes it's a damn shame what happened to Sean Bell, just another example of the injustice system that's in place, it's been 40 years since MLK was murdered and it looks like his dream is in shambles right now, we still got a long way to go
May 10, 2008 1:07 PM
 

Rel said:

welcome to amerikkka
May 10, 2008 1:31 PM
 

BogishNiggarosis said:

@MOB4L
U R MOST DEFINITELY CORRECT,AND WHAT U POSTED IS A TON OF TRUTH. HOWEVER THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS, WE CANNOT SIT IDLY BY ANOTHER SECOND WHILE INJUSTICE HAPPENS TO US EVEN IF THAT MEANS TAKING TO THE STREETS IN AN ALL OUT WAR. THE PART THAT FRUSTRATES ME TO TEARS IS IF WE COULD JUST SEE OUR POWER AND UNITE WE WOULDNT HAVE TO FIRE A SHOT, THROW A BLOW OR UTTER A WORD. WE ARE THE DOMINANT RACE OF THIS PLANET, THATS WHY WE'RE TRAINED TO HATE AND DESTROY OURSELVES SO WE NEVER TAKE OUR PROPER PLACE. BUT READY OR NOT GOD WILL BRING CHANGE FOR US AND THEM.

PEACE!
May 10, 2008 1:34 PM
 

odeisel said:



I'm not mistaken at all. Cash does not make you rich in the grand scheme of things.  money does not equate to power.  the control of resources and the access to money is power.

The same people crying about how TI is not going up the river because of his money are now saying money doesn't man anything

If you playing with house money then you can't complain about the house rules.  Step outside of that system then you can say that.  As long as someone pays you a salary you're playing with house money. And you're subject to the rules of the house.

Your conditions remain what they are because you embrace and accept them as the way things are and you bitch and cry and complain, yet stand actually ready to do nothing but pay your high ass gas your high ass food and the rest of that shit you cry about.

You're not willing to do anything. you won't bike to work or ride the train to protest gas prices.  You won't march.  you won't do anything to change, but you want others to be responsible for change.

If you want to be a lazy american then  you are subject to a lazy america.
May 10, 2008 2:14 PM
 

Blue59 said:

  jubilee.shine said:
community control over the police.

say lil lady why dont you go help create equality in that country of yours and get off the bullshit you lame since you want to post on what i have to say im gone let you have it when i see you lame
May 10, 2008 2:35 PM
 

kolorbl9d said:

These are Sean Bell's Killers/Murderers:

[IMG]http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/kolorbl9d/sean_bells_killers.jpg[/IMG]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/kolorbl9d/sean_bells_killers.jpg

My heart goes out to Sean Bell's family. But why do we want to take action only when its the police or whites? Is sean bell 50 shots more important than the 50 public school kids that were shot in the last year, in my Chicago neighborhoods. And we did that. Not the police, not white people, but we can start a revolution against them. Why not start a revolution against ourself. Have we already? Black on black, brown on brown crime. Would we be better off if police and whites just stayed out our hoods? We loved when OG Bobby Johnson got his black heart. We loved when O-Dogg skipped across the grass busting back side ways. We love when 2pac said, "Little Ceasar go ask you homie How I'll leave ya, Cut ya young ass up, leave you in pieces, now be deceased."

I think we do need to start with ourselves be4 we can ever be taken serious. We need to treat ourself the way we want others to treat us. Right?


May 10, 2008 10:17 PM
 

kolorbl9d said:

By the way, the reason I put the murderers pictures up there, is to show that, 2 of em' look alot like us.
May 10, 2008 10:30 PM
 

MOB4L said:

Bogish Niggarosis said:

HOWEVER THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS, WE CANNOT SIT IDLY BY ANOTHER SECOND WHILE INJUSTICE HAPPENS TO US EVEN IF THAT MEANS TAKING TO THE STREETS IN AN ALL OUT WAR.
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I feel ya, but let me put it like this.....I am utterly disgusted with what has happened to us as a people for the past few hundred years up to now. Yet at the same time we have been extremely blessed. Why should we "count our blessings"? Because if we do, we will quickly realize that God blesses us at every moment and every second. This is an opportunity to move forward. There are many Sean Bells out there dying at the hands of the oppressor (those who belong to the system as well as Blacks who kill Blacks). How do we move forward? We CAN'T do it by taking to the streets!

Why is that?

Well, who puts the guns, crack and many other negative things into the community? Would you give someone a gun if you knew they would shoot you? So, if we're taking it to the streets, we're only using what the system has already given us, and if they're working so hard to keep us down in every way, then there is NO WAY IN HELL that we would get the best weaponry. Besides, we would be seen as merely rioters or troubleseekers, useless pieces of shit with nothing better to do but destroy property that didn't belong to them. So what happens next? A government backed massacre that is supported nationwide as well as internationally. Not only that, but more civil liberties that our ancestors died for and we now enjoy could easily be taken back as an excuse to push us even farther down the ladder.

But are we really that far down?

This is why we should count our blessings. The opportunity to rise exists all around us. Violence is the way to defeat. If someone tries to attack your family, then kill them if necessary. At the same time, you DON'T go running wild in violent protest attacking people and things that are not directly responsible simply because of how you feel AT THE MOMENT.

Now....

Odeisel said: I'm not mistaken at all. Cash does not make you rich in the grand scheme of things.  money does not equate to power.  the control of resources and the access to money is power.
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I haven't read your previous comment and it doesn't matter because your last sentence in this quote is very powerful and useful to us as a people.

Why is that?

You want change? Own your own company. Finish school. Don't get mad every time someone calls you out of your name. You enjoy such freedom because of people like MLK who chose NOT to react violently at every chance he got, and therefore the government had to take him out like a bitch by way of sniper rifle, which means they FEARED him, for he acted as God, one who is in control of and owns all that is in the world.

Think about it....God established the world and all therein WITHOUT harming anything. Why would God harm that which is His? Or feel threatened when He is challenged? Learn how to be your own leader, your own God by way of understanding God's message (the Word bka the Bible--it works for me because I have chosen Christ, not everyone has and nor is that of my concern...I won't respond to any attack on me due to my religious belief). One more thing:

God helps those who help themselves, but you have to know HOW to help yourself, and violence is NOT the answer. America has never been perfect, never is and never will be, but because of the principles it was built on it possesses great potential.

"The ink of a scholar is worth much more than the blood of a martyr".  
May 11, 2008 6:39 AM
 

Streetweyez Sayles said:

@Odeisel

I'm not even complaining about change. I understand the way the American class system is structured and I am saying that you can put forth the assertion of self-help, however you're talking about stepping outside of a system that is all-encompassing. I own my own business, and I pay taxes, I am forced by the authority of the US Government to comply with the system as long as I live here.

This is not cry of helplessness it is a basic awareness of exactly what we're up against. So all of those black people in NYC pay taxes, and they can have their sons and daughters shot dead while a judge that is paid by their tax dollars find those cops not guilty and you're talking about being lazy in America. Cut that bullshit out. All the marching and organizing in the world will not remove those deficiencies because they are structural problems.  Once a racist or crooked person obtains a position of authority over you they can exercise that power and it is out of your control. You can theorize about the power you think you have but it is a illusion. You don't have that power.

You have no authority over those that actually make the decision and laws that affect your life. That is the power of the Republic, or an oligarchy which is what the United States has become in these days and times. Now people can forge their own power structure, but if it is at odds with the reigning power structure then there is a POWER STRUGGLE.
May 11, 2008 9:44 AM
 

Jiggagirl007 said:

Wow, this article left me speechless, just as some of those senseless comments above.
May 11, 2008 5:31 PM
 

K_Selassie said:

something that I feel is related to the topic... tho it isn't on topic... while we trippin over one man (RIP Sean Bell) we need to look at the bigger picture...

Today I looked at the news and saw you 15 year old kid was shot in the head over a game of basketball... when they showed his funeral on television it enraged me to see another young Black life taken over nothing... I can understand killing for politics, freedom, hell even money... But now instead of using the threat of violence as a revolutionary tool to threaten the powers that be with a racial and economic powder keg, we take our displaced rage and carry out genocide on our own selves... the poor continue to slaughter each other, not only in this country, but worldwide... The slavemasters of the world (the rich and powerful blue bloods) have taken the whip from their own hands, and commanded the proletariat to beat itself into submission... when will it end? Why can't we focus this anger, despair, and random violence into a unified front against the coming One World society... why should we be able to complain 20 yrs from now when our land, property, and business's are confiscated by the government, when we did nothing... nah niggas won't kill over that, but we are more than willing to annihalate each other over bullshit... Millions of Black, White, and Hispanic gang members in this country and instead of taking power from the police and governments that harass us in our own community's we shoot each other down over colors, dope, disrespectful signs, and other nonsense that sickens me to my core... When will we realize our potential, stop taking these mass opiates of sex, drugs, and entertainment and wake up Americans, Europeans, Africans, Asians, and Hispanics... once the New World comes in we'll realize we're all just humans, and without control over the means of production, power over government, and control over our own property we will be destroyed...
May 11, 2008 5:38 PM
 

lenoxcrenshaw said:

Wow, to the brother (Nofrown) who wrote abou the cops hearing sometning and being justified...  Where are you from?  What planet--the rules of law are supposed to go off of the evidence at hand.  I don't care about Sean Bell's friend's criminal past, nor should it matter.  The cause of the shooting was that the cops felt threatened by Bell & co because they were going to get a gun.  No gun was ever found though but they still got shot--simply not right.  As the article says, how do you shoot a gun til the clip is empty, reload, and then testify that you didn't realize that you had shot the first time.  That is the definition of incopempetance.  While I agree with Charlamane that we should protect our own  community, nothing in my experience has shown me that we will do that.  When we riot, we tear up our own already torn up shit.  The best example of this type of thinking is the Nation, but their presence is minimized at this time.  I was at the Million Man March and that was the most unity that our community had ever shown (me) in my lifetime but it soon returned to business as usual within the community--people killing and fighting.  

To the brother (ReDezo) that said that Sean Bell didn't do what he was supposed to--STFU.  This is real life not Grand Theft Auto.  What happened was an unjust legal symptom showed our community again that there is a lack of respect where we are concerned.  With all that tough talk, that is exactly why they justify this type of treatment to a community of people.  All that rha, rah no action.  I'm not saying that I have the answers but that is just ignorant and shows your lack of maturity.  "Dem early niggas getting lynched don't matter"?--Read about your history because you are lost like a slave...  With that said, I shouldn't argue with youngster.

To the brother colorbli9d--the color of the officers doesn't matter, it's the system that is racist.  Them blck cops are just as judgemental of young black men as the White cops--we are portrayed as bufoons and sambo's (Flavor of Love & many of our music videos) and that shapes the way we are viewed from within and outside of our community.  While we have some work to do for sure, that is never an excuse to kill and unarmed man because you are scared.  And if it does happen, and you are tried, you should be punnished for your negligence, period.  This can't be looked at as, the cops are black, so it couldn't have been racially motivated...

To the brother from Chi.  It's sad we do these things to our self.  Kids are killing eachother all over and it doesn'd make the news but worse of all tough talkers stay on their keyboards and do nothing.  Like I said, I don't have the answers but if you are that hard in the street, do something to help better the community....  SAD.  RIP Sean Bell.
May 11, 2008 10:14 PM
 

kolorbl9d said:

@ lenoxcrenshaw:

The point i'm making with showing the officers color was that, why is it ok for us, to kill us in the hood, but when officers [in this case, black] kill us, its a flawed system, a system against us. And we're ready to start the revolution against 'the system" but we glorify niggas in the hood killin each other. We will kill some dude for stepping on our shoe in the club. We are out of control. Police are up against a ruthless, sometimes heartless group of people who cant control ourselves. And at the same time glorify killing them [cops] and ourself. So what kind of system should they build against us?

Is the system racist or just built against "a ruthless, sometimes heartless group of people [which just happen to be us, and we just happen to be black] who cant control ourselves. And at the same time glorify killing them [cops] and ourself."

Lets be clear, Detectives Michael Oliver, Gescard Isnora, and Marc Cooper are MURDERERS! And in no way am I trying to justify that. They need to fry in hell for what they did. But dont expect them to change, until we change.
May 12, 2008 12:33 AM
 

kolorbl9d said:

What type of system is used against a group of people who glorify and praises murderers, gangstas, thugs, pimps, drug dealers [destroying our own black families], cop killers, negativity, etc.

What type of "system" would you create to deal with people like that?

Why is it called racism? Because 90% of the fuckin people who think like that are black. We can't keep calling eveything racist! Thats not it, all the time.

I AM BLACK, I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE! We need to get our shit together.
May 12, 2008 12:45 AM
 

lenoxcrenshaw said:

I agree, we have a lot of work to do BUT this system IS not designed for us to suceed.  We don't control a thing.  The fact that we glorify sex, drugs, and murder is pushed out there through companies for financial gain and at our own expense.  You do realize that the problem has only gotten worse as companies have willingly promoted this type of destruction to the masses.  You can't mention anything negative about the Jews on record--that shit gets edited quick but talk about murdering you competitions baby and that's all good.  Why, cause we don't control the media, the Jews do (nothing against Jews at all).  While we do have alot of work to do, I would not design a system that is based on fear of  one group of citizens because of the way that they speak or dress.  I know for a fact that the same types of crimes (drugs and protitution) that the police were in Club Kaluah trying to make arrests for that night are also taking place in Midtown Manhattan on a nightly basis.  There is a major difference though, the patrons in Manhattan are mostly White/Professional and the club in Queens was in the hood.  A man lost his life because he was in the wrong (Black) part of town and the cops were nervous and that's not right.  And that IS the system that we are living in.  BTW, I know good NYPD officers but if you can't determine if they are are cops (these were undercover) and they start walking toward you agressively maybe you should start trying to get away.  When guns get drawn, then you are really trying to get away.  Shooting 50 times should not be an option.  Where's the gun?

The stat on 90% of black people being racist is way over the top.  How'd you come up with that figure?  Also, to call blck folk a "ruthless, sometimes heartless group" is rediculous and bordering on some self hate--at the very least that is society as a whole, not just blacks.  Yeah, there are killers in the community but there are killers in all communities.  I would also mention that the youth culture, some of which glories negativity is just that (young) and does not represent all black people.  Could we do with less of it, yes absolutely.  Should a system use that as a barometer for how to police my neighborhood?  Hell no.  That type of thinking is why profiling is an accepted practice right now.  RIP Sean Bell.  
May 12, 2008 3:40 AM
 

MOB4L said:

@Streetweyez Sayles

Now don't think that I have no sense of reality. You're right in everything you said. Yet at the same time, the change we're looking for will take decades to hundreds of years. Although we live in a world of instant gratification, some things won't come into existence when we want them to. Now you can go ahead and get your wig split knowing that you don't stand a fair chance or you can give your sons and grandsons the platform for gradual change. Look at our history. Our progress didn't take five months, and it wasn't made by just one person. I'm looking at the big picture. The best things in life come with patience. Now, if you can help yourself to the best of your ability, then you end up helping many others without ever knowing it. Just think about it for a sec.

Good debate either way it goes folks.

PEACE
May 12, 2008 10:01 AM
 

duceconstant said:

NOFROWN SHUT UP U DICK EATING BITCH!! A MUFUCKA WILL HIT U IN UR CUM DRINKING ASS MOUTH PUNK BITCH!! GET YO HOE ASS OFF THIS HIP HOP SITE WHORE IF U DONT UNDERSTAND THE STRUGGLE!!! THAT GOES FOR ANY DUMB ASS DICK IN THE BOOTY ON HERE WITH SOME DUMB SHIT TO SAY ...
May 12, 2008 10:49 AM
 

Jamzz said:

This nofrown is just the typical "house nigger". The type of "man" and I use that term loosely, that the white man would love. Sean Bell, was killed, murdered on his wedding day. The cops are dead wrong, and if something happens to each and EVERY one of them, I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep.

J.
May 12, 2008 11:05 AM
 

lchelle125 said:

nofrown must be a uncle tommin black man like those cops or an infiltating kkk member trying to rile us up
May 12, 2008 11:30 AM
 

lchelle125 said:

also there is no reason to fire off 50 shots at anyone without talking to them first.  they didn't approach and ask for i.d first they assumed like most people that because they were black that they were dangerous.  so they were drug dealers who said and confirmed this?  did they have drugs on their person?  how could the police find this out?  by searching them not shooting the shit out them!  as an african american mother of a baby boy i fear for his life in the future.  as an african american daughter i fear for my father's life everyday.  as an african american sister i fear for my borthers.  and most of all as a wife of a black man i fear for my husband's life everyday.  R.I.P Sean Bell and I pray for you family.
May 12, 2008 11:37 AM
 

GoodLuckMcCain said:

This article is a joke to say the least. Why place the race card when 2 of the 3 cops who fired the shots were BLACK.


The word 'racism' is used far too much, to the extent where it loses much of it's value.


Maybe black people should stop playing the race card, and worry more about drug dealers and gangs.
May 12, 2008 11:51 AM
 

lchelle125 said:

I believe in our struggle as black people, but i have said it before on this very site we as black people have to fight for us.  A good black man is nearly extinct it is endangered.  We must not let white people brainwash us into thinking that it is hip hop that is to blame because it is not. Slavery was the start of the emasculation  of the black man.  My grandmother said this to my father once the white man has never respected the black man, he always referred to him as "boy" then when became a man he called him "uncle" he never wanted him to be an equal.  Never called him a man.  We must demand and take our respect. knowledge is power and we need to be dangerous minds like a muthafucka.  Read books that will educate you!!!!!!!  
May 12, 2008 11:52 AM
 

lchelle125 said:

Goodluckmcain sometimes black people hate themselves have you ever seen don't be a menace to south central while drinking you juice in the hood?  The scene where bernie mac's cop character stops them and goes on this tirade about hating young black men and himself because he is so black.  there are two sides to every story and everything isn't so Black and white there are gray areas of racism that people don't understand.  this conversation can so deep and heated that is is hardly discussed in detail and people can't their point across because of fear, ignorance and lack of knowledge.  Can you really discuss something so painful without getting upset no.  people only scratch the surface of this subject.
May 12, 2008 11:59 AM
 

illseed said:

most - if not all - cops bleed blue blood. once you are in that system, you better go with the program. i had a friend that thought he was going to go and join the force and make a change. we all grew up on martin, malcolm, public enemy. they got him outta there within five years. he's a cop still - at a high school.

also, one cop starts shooting, the others are going to back him up. i dont know who shot first, but one dude unloaded, reloaded and unloaded. he wasnt black either. not to play any race card, those are just facts right there.
May 12, 2008 12:03 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

Barack Obama '08 it is time for a change
May 12, 2008 12:05 PM
 

kolorbl9d said:

@ lenoxcrenshaw:

You got it wrong, the 90% dont refer to racist, it refers to the people who praises murderers, gangstas, thugs, pimps, drug dealers, cop killers, negativity, etc. And, that type of thinking is why profiling is an accepted practice right now.

and maybe its 75% black, 15 percent spanish, 10 percent everybody else. Whatever the numbers, the majority is us.

I'm a realist, its always easier to blame the system or claim racism, we need to stop abusing that shit.

Ruthless? Niggas in the hood have guns to protect theirself against theirself. That aint ruthless? Quick to kill each other, quick to kill each other, quick to kill each other, why should anybody else care about us...
May 12, 2008 12:22 PM
 

kolorbl9d said:

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

This is not self hate, more like self intervention.
 
May 12, 2008 12:34 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

self intervention?!  for what?  what type of intervention did sean bell need he was getting married and was out celebrating let's not waaaaay over generalize a situation.  In this situiation the police should have checked the facts first.  using excessive force is not what cops are trained to do.  shoot to mame not shoot to kill.
May 12, 2008 12:56 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

this convo can go on all day with different opinions and outlooks.  love's in need for the love today.  Listen to that song by stevie wonder.  hate's goin 'round breaking every heart.  everyone has their own bad thought about every race and culture but we can't let it lead to hate and anger.  We must embrace differences and move on laugh about them and move on.  there is no " race card"  sometimes people don't wanna see truth sometimes people want to exaggerate it.
May 12, 2008 1:07 PM
 

M.E.M.P.H.I.S 10 said:

GOOD POST
May 12, 2008 1:12 PM
 

kolorbl9d said:

I'm speaking on a broader issue, i already said those officers should burn in hell for what they did.

i'm just speaking on our whole mentality against racism and "the system."
May 12, 2008 1:19 PM
 

kolorbl9d said:

SELF INTERVENTION against the mentality of:

praising murderers, gangstas, thugs, pimps, drug dealers, cop killers, negativity, along with views on racism.
May 12, 2008 1:23 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

who is praising murderers?  and what do you mean when you say that.  is listening to hip hop/rap praising murderers?
May 12, 2008 1:39 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

i live in michigan where a young man has been sent to prison for stabbing and beheading a man for the trill of it.  he was white boy who the news said had a promising future. what do you make of that.  when have you ever heard of anybody black doing that type of shit.  in some places gang banging is a way of life it is join or die.  do you think all black people bang, pimp, and kill cops?  i mean what are you saying kolorbl9d
May 12, 2008 1:44 PM
 

la-Staxx said:

Look Afro man and his folk are stupid, i am a mixed male in corporate america,    and i am hear to tell you that it is there the racism so you have to deal with it, i understand by what dude was trying to say do what you have to but just stop the dumbS**t it wasn bells fault or any of those victims.  What we need to do because i am black no matter how light skinned i am is this.   We want to be treated and looked at different then we have to stop treating ourselves like crap, shooting stabbing.....and not fall right into the trap of making ourselves look idiots(flavor of love ) and all that other stuff, we have to take ourselves serous support ourselves without us there is no amerikkka u dig, so you want change you make change(9 million man march) amerikka is a machine that can only run as good as it fuel.  we come together and do sumin positive then what fuel do they have.  Amerikkka fuel is anger & Fearthats whats fuels amerikka(bin laden, 911, iraq, etc)   We have to stop acting stupid for people not to treat us stupidally      

LA STAXXX
May 12, 2008 1:48 PM
 

la-Staxx said:

Look Afro man and his folk are stupid, i am a mixed male in corporate america,    and i am hear to tell you that it is there the racism so you have to deal with it, i understand by what dude was trying to say do what you have to but just stop the dumbS**t it wasn bells fault or any of those victims.  What we need to do because i am black no matter how light skinned i am is this.   We want to be treated and looked at different then we have to stop treating ourselves like crap, shooting stabbing.....and not fall right into the trap of making ourselves look idiots(flavor of love ) and all that other stuff, we have to take ourselves serous support ourselves without us there is no amerikkka u dig, so you want change you make change(9 million man march) amerikka is a machine that can only run as good as it fuel.  we come together and do sumin positive then what fuel do they have.  Amerikkka fuel is anger & Fearthats whats fuels amerikka(bin laden, 911, iraq, etc)   We have to stop acting stupid for people not to treat us stupidally      

LA STAXXX
May 12, 2008 1:48 PM
 

GoodLuckMcCain said:

"Goodluckmcain sometimes black people hate themselves have you ever seen don't be a menace to south central while drinking you juice in the hood?  The scene where bernie mac's cop character stops them and goes on this tirade about hating young black men and himself because he is so black.  there are two sides to every story" ( says Ichelle)

I fail to see what a film has to do with this, not unless you are brainwashed by what you watch or listen to on the radio or television, Ichelle.

You said there are two sides to every story - well damn right there is. Two black cops shoot a black criminal, and you all blame the white man as per usual.

Statistics can be twisted to suit anyones agenda. For example, a white woman is 300 more times likely to be raped by a black man, than a white man raping a black woman. You don't hear us playing the race card on that one.

I think people who lack things in life, have to make absurd accusations and claims, whilst making generalisations against other people.

America has around 280 million plus people, one gets shot, and all of a sudden some race nutter is writing articles on here about Amerikkka and Martin Luther King, and people like yourself slating white people as a whole.


Move on with the times and look at the bigger picture. Black people kill each other over rivalry and drugs. It's not white mans fault as you'd have everyone believe - the responsibily lies to the individual who commits the crime. And yes some responsibily lies with hip hop music, because many of its listeners are young, and younger people are easily led astray and seduced by what they listen to.
May 12, 2008 1:49 PM
 

mr702 said:

1st off this dude is a clown. He always has been. How can he say he is down with Allah when he talks all that shit on the radio. Real great spiritual example.

His point is taken but, no one can stop this system. Here is a thought. This country was set up by the rich. After the "forefathers" got sick of the taxation without representation in England, they decided to come here. Well, do you think poor people could have pulled that off? NO! Sailing a ship across the ocean was not cheap! They were rich! Do you think they wanted to set up a system in this new land that would not benefit them? HELL NO! They set it up so they would prosper. This system is only for the rich. There is no way to beat them. You have to join them. The only way to make it to the next level in America is to get rich. The system made millionaires so there were cutbacks in education and it became more difficult to get good student loans. This took place because, too many rich people meant more people with opinions in control. There is no way to beat the rich. If you're poor and you're up against this system then you're screwed. Best advice is to avoid dealing with the pigs altogether. Don't make any sudden moves and speak to them with the utmost respect until you can get away from them. Here in Vegas they shot a dude from Cali on the strip for playing his music too loud and they also shot an alleged 14 year old murderer in the back while he was handcuffed and running away. Cops were cleared of any wrongdoing in both instances. Work on making as much tax free money as you can and lay low. That's the way to beat this system. If your not putting money into the system then you are essentially bringing it down. These cops were wrong but nothing can be done about it now because of the double jeopardy standards.
May 12, 2008 1:53 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

goodluckmccain white people cannot comment on shit they have never experienced.  you will never be looked as less than human why the fuck are you even commenting on this?  why because you like rap/hip hop?  so? you will never ever get it.  Just because you listen to a certain type of music or watch a certain type of program on tv  you will never ever understand racism and how it affects our community.  And by the way the white man is the one who put crack in our community to kill us off we did not ask to be slaves, we did not ask to be treated like sub human beings.  what does a film have to do with this movies are people personal thoughts real or fiction.  that scene in that film briefly satires how some black people feel about themselves and each other. the whole lightskinned/darkskinned conflict that all black people have and don't even know it. but of course you would understand that either.  you come on this site and make you white is right comments read some things about our culture other than xxl and then come back
May 12, 2008 2:07 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

and by the way how many  serials killer and rapists have been black men?  ted bundy, michigan murder, jeffery domer, son of sam?  but i digress, this why i usually read and don't comment because people got me getting heated...
May 12, 2008 2:10 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

so who is brainwashed now?!
May 12, 2008 2:11 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

ignorance is never bliss get educated!!!!
May 12, 2008 2:17 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

ha!  a black man is 300 times more likely to rape a white woman.  How do you explain the start of the mixed races.  white men raping slaves.  and it seems pretty unlikely that a black man has to rape a white woman with them practically throwing themselves at ever race or culture of men that exists.  almost every time i see a white woman with kids now it is mixed with something.
May 12, 2008 2:22 PM
 

GoodLuckMcCain said:

Ichelle, you're delusional and totally brainwashed. The black panther/liar who wrote this article will be proud of you.


Try dealing in facts. Stop making  rash generalisations, and move yourself into the 21st century.


The race card is a very tired one. I could pick holes in the rubbish you type all day. White men introduce drugs to white communities aswell as black or any other mutha who buys that stuff.

Do some research and you'll find many white victims of police brutality, corruption, or people abusing their powers in general.


It's all about money and power. A white mans life isn't worth much more than anyone elses.


You talk about slavery. Yet i don't hear you all talking about the 25 million jews who were killed. Maybe that's because they're white, and it dosen't suit your agenda.


May 12, 2008 2:50 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

this site wasn't talking about white people or jews we are talking about sean bell who is black not white.  so you are talking about apples and oranges if you want to talk about the holocaust then create a site and talk about it.  we are going to talk about something that we identify with and i am so sorry about the holocaust but that happened in europe not america.  and as far as know america couldn't wait to stick their nose in that meanwhile back here they were brutalizing my people with dogs.  so once again please stick to what you really know and don't give me a history lesson on the holocaust.  stick to the subject: racism in america
May 12, 2008 2:59 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

and your right talking about the holocaust does not suit my agenda .  my agenda has been clear the whole time i'm talking about black people.  also schindler's list did a fine job of depicting the pain that inflicted on the jews and so did the diary of anne franke  i know you think i'm just black monkey, again pick up a book or two
May 12, 2008 3:06 PM
 

kolorbl9d said:

@ lchelle125:

All black people dont think that way, alot of people think that way. I would say about 75% of the people that think that way, are black. Not 75% of all black people! But 75% of the people that think that way, are black.

Its not rap music, its reality. That 75% do praise negativity. They honor Al Capone, Scarface, Larry Hoover, etc. Nobody in the hood walks around with MLK t-shirts on. 50 public school kids were gunned down in chicago this pass year, probably by that 75%.

If you believe, we don't have anything to do with the way we're treated, you're in denile.

The only point i'm trying to make is, we have to take some responsibilty. The system and racism is not the only thing to blame.

Would Dr. King be more dissappointed in "the system" or us?
May 12, 2008 3:10 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

stop trying to champion the white man's cause there is no need to, a white man's life is and always will be worth something.  look at tv you're everywhere.  People are lining up to help that dumbass brittany spears, robert downey jr and who ever else.  you're all over the magazines, internet, hell everywhere!!  the whole constitution was originally made for white men who were 18+  you will never lose you rights.  so no i have not heard of any white men have been brutalized by the police, but i'm sure he won a big fat lawsuit if he sued or at least got an apology.
May 12, 2008 3:12 PM
 

lchelle125 said:

kolorbl9d have you read all of my comments.  i have never said that black people are innocent i said we need to gain more knowledge on what's going on.
May 12, 2008 3:16 PM
 

lenoxcrenshaw said:

@Kolorbl9d

So you feel the cops are guilty and should be punished-great.  Now as we undo 400 years of brainwashing, we should just continue to work on ourselves and once black people have all gotten our shit together this won't happen.  That's BS, sorry.  That's not self intervention, that's self delussion.  When a cop hits you upside the head (or worse yet shots you) will you say "I had it coming because of the way ALL black people act--sorry for being black and in your way"  (From some of your argument, I'm thinking sadly that the answe is YES!).  

Your argument and the stats you are throwing out (however you want to define them) are garbage.  Your stats are just that--YOURS.  You can make up, in your mind whatever number you want.  For all of the bad shit that you see on TV, please belive that there is more good going on in the community, as a whole, than WILL EVER BE TELEVISED and apparantly that you have ever bared witness to.  

Should we work on ourselves, yes.  But if you think the killing of innocent people in the mid east in the name of national security is a group that doesn't need help than I don't know who is--from what I see they are 98% white who are making those decisions--I guess almost all of the money grabbing capitalists who are willing to murder brown people are white.  I'ma run with that in my future arguments against the war given the way you throw numbers around.  

Colorbl9d, racism is real, and my feeling is that we can work on ourselves and make things better in the community but it will take years to undo the feelings that cops (black and white) feel towards black men.  Re-read that part about the reasons that blacks were lynched back in the day--this was going on regularly 50 years ago and it still goes on today.  When we were kept in check and still murdered, that was our fault to right?  This is why groups like the Panthers and King and Malcolm rose out of the 50's and 60's.  There are many schools of thought on how to combat the system but to ignore that there is such a system in place is scarry.  

This is an issue of a system that is not designed for the success of black people and has morphed, over the years, into a system that is not designed for the success of the poor either (no matter what your race).
May 12, 2008 4:08 PM
 

GoodLuckMcCain said:

" stick to the subject: racism in america"

Ok. You do realise that two of the three cops who shot the guy were actually black ?

I actually think that you are fully aware of this, but it dosen't suit your agenda.

You just come across as a hateful person, who is equipped with racist accusations and generalisations for every occasion.


This story site is open to all people, therefore anyone has the right to comment.


I also find it bizarre that you think black people get the same deal absolutely everywhere. Have you visited every single state ?
May 12, 2008 4:13 PM
 

DayoDaKid_Get Wet Ent Inc said:

Wow this brother Charlamagne hit it on the head. But odeisel is right. Yea its the same old song but nobody is listening. If us people as a whole focused on school- a legal hustle - and money we could do wonders cause a cracker might hate u but u will see the whites of smiles when ur talkin green and green for his family. But honestly alot of times we as a whole r just being looked as a uneducated, poor, helpless peoples. Knowledge is really power more lawyer (down for the cause) less self hate and more money, more money, more money in our communities. It takes this to up left a generation.    
May 12, 2008 5:17 PM
 

msnyjerzy said:

This letter is really on point! The world is a fucced up place period. The darker people of the world have been getting pissed on for far too long. The evil people in power don't want to do what's right they continue to do wrong & evil things.

I believe in God so I have faith that Evil will no longer rule in the VERY NEAR FUTURE. The revolution will get started and if you're a righteous person(regardless of color/religion) God will look after you. The devil has been thinking that he can get away with things and doesn't have to repent. We all have to meet our maker and God will not leave evil deeds unpunished, that goes for Blacks killing Blacks in record proportions thinking we're each others enemy, when we're not. Keep your faith and fear in GOD not people.
May 12, 2008 5:30 PM
 

King G said:

people talkin bout hip hop is dead, i say the american dream for minorities is dead.
May 12, 2008 8:00 PM
 

King G said:

people talkin bout hip hop is dead, i say the american dream for minorities is dead.
May 12, 2008 8:01 PM
 

King G said:

people talkin bout hip hop is dead, i say the american dream for minorities is dead.
May 12, 2008 8:01 PM
 

kolorbl9d said:

De-nile isn't just a river in Egypt.  

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jxyYP_bS_6s
May 13, 2008 12:13 AM
 

-VaiN- said:

im one of the white people thats madd as hell! fuck the system! i wish i cudd spit in Bush's face
May 13, 2008 12:46 AM
 

GoodLuckMcCain said:

Ahhhh f*ck it. Let's all pretend that black people are poor and opressed, it suits their downtrodden agenda. Even African-American millionaires still pedal this crap about being opressed, whilst spending tens of thousands of dollars on 'bling'.



Yes i totally agree with all black people on here. Yes all whites are evil people, i'm evil myself. We're all in the KKK, and secretely we're all millionaires.


I just love visits to the local police station aswell. As soon as i go in i have heart warming conversations with all cops in high places, before being whisked off to a single cell with a leather sofa, lcd television, xbox, dvd player. Then of course i wait on sergeant white man to bring in my champagne on ice, with the three course meal of course.



It's a nice day today, i think i will go and be nasty to about 70 million black people today.


May 13, 2008 6:15 AM
 

Brierstan said:

They say Hip Hop is a powerful influence, Hip Hop can be blamed when the government feel its right to blame Hip Hop. Socail injustices during the 70's the black panther revolution and the emergence of street gangs were all triggered by the KKK as means to protection and then Hip Hop in certain ways just expressed the injustices, this was at a time when maybe the voices and messages expressed were not as powerful because it was only reaching to the neighbourhoods of the city instead of the world. When voicing concerns didnt get the black man anywhere resentment did, NWA and 2pac glorified the anti authority attitude that a lot of peiople hold today, Hip Hop has teached a lot of people to hate, and to pick up a gun when someone looks at you bad. Like i said the government will choose its time when it wants to blame you. If kids are taught the NWA cd as kids then they gonna carry gunz and hate the police. I hate the police because its something that has  been fed to me since i was a kid, maybe not fed but something i have taken as a last gasp to bring out the rebel in me, when your bretherin are getting pounded by the police do you stand up and get pounded with them or walk away.

The question we need to raise is Why does the police do this? simple because of fear, they fear that too much freedom may lead to us obliterating society. But isnt that already happening, black on black crime, drugs, etc etc. Im not black but i know where the anti authority and resentment comes from because what the balck population went through decades ago.

The fact is it is a horrible truth that we have rappers that glorify drugs, violence, sex, gunz and we listen to them, but while they spend the millions that they earned making albums we inact what they say supposedly say they do in their music.

The police can play good cop bad cop whenever they want to, they can shoot who they want because they know the goevernment will let them get away with whatever.

Im Asian in the UK and we are in the same state as blacks were in the 70's, were suffering gang warfare etc etc but we need to help ourselves bu uniting against the people who say they will protect us but stab us in the back. A guy died in police custody but the cops get away with it, a man calls the police so he can protect his son from being bullied, the man is killed in the alteration with the bullies because the police is too busy doing admin, a cop kills a susptected terrorist but fail to apologise when they get the wrong guy. But the same police have the audacity to tell me that if i dont keep my music in my car low that they will impound and crush my car. What the fuck is all that about.

We have to unite not as blacks,, whites, japs or whatever, we need to unit as individuals that want right and justice in life irrelevant of colour creed and the 000's in the bank account. Alllah swt is the knower of all and the seeer of all, justice will be served if not 2day on earth but 2mro on judgement day.

Peace

May 13, 2008 11:41 AM
 

Brierstan said:

GoodLuckMcCain

Irrelevant of the country that we are in look at this statsitic, im from the UK so i will quote where i live.

501 people died at the hands of the police last year, 4 out of them 5 people
were asian or black.
Thats a stat to indulge in, you can blame black people for hip hop related violence crime etc. However why would black people have these problems in the 1st place. I tell you why, because you had the KKK be4fore that you had the slave trade, all the social injustices that black people had, and when they stand up for thier rights they get blamed for pulling the race card out. How ironic and moranic is that, but it all depends on what side of the coin you represent and how you see life.

Everybody has views and opinions but dont hate on someone because they have a different view, thats where the whole shit started from.
May 13, 2008 12:59 PM
 

GoodLuckMcCain said:

"im from the UK so i will quote where i live.

501 people died at the hands of the police last year, 4 out of them 5 people
were asian or black. "



Ok. Can you prove this, or are you just making this up as i suspect ? I know black people in certain areas of England have a thing about guns, maybe this is where the stats come into play.


It's simple - don't carry guns or deal drugs.


I've really heard it all. I recall a couple of people on here saying T.I being arrested was 'racist'(there's that word again), even though he was reportedly caught with a cache of weapons.


Why can't individuals just take responsibily for their actions, and stop blamng everyone else ?


The whole thing boils down to jealousy. Black people are jealous of white folks because whites are more likely to stay out of trouble and what have you.


If you can think as an individual, the world becomes a better place.



May 13, 2008 1:31 PM
 

Brierstan said:

Ok. Can you prove this, or are you just making this up as i suspect ? I know black people in certain areas of England have a thing about guns, maybe this is where the stats come into play.
..........................................
Why dont you try looking at stats within the UK, i have a links but im not going to post them because i feel that people like yourself can patronise at will. Im not here for a argument with individuals that are narrow minded(thats how you come across). im not black or white so i can see observe both perspectives, maybe you should try it, or go back to whiteworld. Where when you swear, your mum blames eminem.

In a bit.
May 13, 2008 2:02 PM
 

GoodLuckMcCain said:

"Why dont you try looking at stats within the UK, i have a links but im not going to post them"


In other words you just made it all up.


"or go back to whiteworld"


I'm very comfortable being white thanks very much. So comfortable that we let Asians like your good self into the country. Yes that's right, you wouldn't be int he country if it wasn't for the 'racists' you despise so much.


I don't know what my mother or Eminem has to do with anything. Try staying within the context of the conversation Mister fried rice.
May 13, 2008 2:42 PM
 

Brierstan said:

Okay lets look at statistics, i was relucatant on posting but your disbelief in my having stats prompted me in setting some links for you.

But first i would just like to point out deaths of black males whether in the UK or Amerikkka has anything to do with people carrying guns or dealing drugs, for example, the brazilian lad that was chased and executed in the UK by armed police was not because he was carrying a gun or in that same case was dealing with narcotics, it was because police thought he was a terrorist. Further to that the police still decided to execute him from 2 foot away, while he was on the floor point blank in the head. It turned out later that the lad was Uni student and was a commuter at the train station where he was killed.
My point is im not saying that it is white police that commit attorocities, we are talking about police and authorities as a whole.

Institute of Race Relations have put the following together in regards to police deaths.It can be found on wikipedia for an easier search, look at the table, it speaks for itself loud and clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Deaths_in_UK_Police_Custody

Moreso i would also like to reiterate my point when i said that Hip Hop is blamed for the behaviour of white people. When a white kid swears mama is going to blame eminem because he is influential to the child. Just as when a black kid swears mum will blame 2pac etc etc.

The whole thing boils down to jealousy. Black people are jealous of white folks because whites are more likely to stay out of trouble and what have you.
......................................
That is so absurd im not even going to bother with a comment on that ludacris statement.

On the contrary my father was born in England UK and so was In so we werent let in as you say you let us in. Now in regards to that statement of yours can we also say that people from asia werent bought to the country because they felt like they needed a change of scenery. They were bought into the country because they were required as cheap labour. This worked out for the UK government because it allowed them to keep a momentum on economic growth as a whole.

If it wasnt for the ethnic people in the UK, the UK would not have the economic status that it boasts today, but if you feel that i am making that up then please have a look at a concept called the brown pound and how much money is bought into the economy by non white individuals.

The combined disposable income of ethnic minorities in the UK is £32bn, according to trade body the Institute of Practitioners in Advertising (IPA).
But if thats made up hers another link to prove that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3129178.stm

Mister fried rice- i like that comment because it establishes that you are very good at making assumptions, because i said i was asian, you automatically assumed im east asian, the reason why i say that is because fried rice originated from china.

Enough of argueing with you because it is pointless. I dont want to go omn any more. My final comment will be

RIP Sean Bell- Hope you are in peace. May God god give your family strength to endure the tough times ahead. Peace


May 13, 2008 3:34 PM
 

GoodLuckMcCain said:

I couldn't care less what Asian people bring to the United Kingdom. I'm so sick of peoples attitudes towards white people in white mans country, that i couldn't give a shit what any minorities say anymore. I don't go to other peoples countries and tell them how to run things.


As for your Wikipedia stats, they're obviously flawed and twisted. For example, one says someone died after jumping from a flat window - yet counts as dying in police custody. There a re few similar incidents where it has nothing to do with the police.(who's side i don't take either)


What whites have done should be celebrated. We have made the world a great place.
May 13, 2008 4:50 PM
 

GoodLuckMcCain said:

Here's another wee stat for you with regards to some police brutality.

In 1997/98, 69 people died in police custody or otherwise in the hands of the police, 21% higher than in 1996/97
The number of people from ethnic minorities who died in police custody or otherwise in the hands of the police was 8, which forms 12% of the total


88% of people who died in police custody were white in that year. There have been 1000 deaths in police custody in the past 30 years, with the majority being white folks. Does this suit your egenda - hell no.


I remember getting a black eye the size of a baseball from a police office myself. I deserved it to an extent. It's called taking responsibilty for our actions.


We could also be here all day with regards to the role that alchol plays in the whole shananigans.


It's a travesty that people pass in police custody, regardless of their background. However, the bigger picture must be looked at i.e alcohol, drugs & crime.

You also have to remember that British police are unarmed. Perhaps this makes it easier for the police to be assaulted, with further chaos ensuing ?


Either way, i support justice. If any cops abuse powers, they should be held accountable. But a solution has to come from all parties.
May 13, 2008 5:04 PM
 

Brierstan said:

Oh now the argument doesnt suit you, now that stats are provided, they are flawed hahahahah. Official stats.

The guy that feel from the window was pushed, but i think you pick and choose what you want to hear or read. Just like your views, just pick and choose what you want to hear. Selective hearing may give you a piece of mind when it comes to making your self want to feel better but it doesnt change the way the world runs. Keep up your inferiotity complex.
May 13, 2008 5:22 PM
 

H-town Finest said:

 MOB4L

You need to get at me. You have me going crazy over your comments. A sista need a brotha like you on my team....str8 up !
May 13, 2008 5:40 PM
 

TCS said:

I know I know, SB's death seems to show excessive forces and poor judegement.

BUT!

Is anyone else slightly embarrased that this man was at this shady ass strip club this late at night...the night before his wedding??? I mean I'm all for living it up at your bachelor party, but we've got to do a better job of staying the hell out of harms way...


http://www.thecoppersun.wordpress.com

// TCS
May 13, 2008 11:05 PM
 

Rosewood_Hellshire said:

i thought cops job was to protect the innocent, even if it meant sacrificing thier lives, thats what they signed up for get paid for and put they hand on the book when swearing in... not shoot the innocent 51 times in fear of thier lives....
May 14, 2008 12:31 AM
 

adopefemalemc said:

lchelle125 said:
nofrown must be a uncle tommin black man like those cops or an infiltating kkk member trying to rile us up
May 12, 2008 11:30 AM
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Co-sign!!

It's a real uncomfortable feeling to be scared of some1 that's supposed to protect u..
May 15, 2008 7:56 AM
 

LGizzle said:

@RedDeezo

YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR THE COMMENTS YOU MADE. I AM SO EMBARRASSED FOR YOU BECAUSE ONLY A FOOL WOULD HAVE SAID WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. TELL YOUR COMMENTS TO SEAN'S PARENTS AND SEE WHAT RESPONSE YOU WOULD GET. IF THAT WAS YOUR RELATIVE, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY. I HOPE YOU'RE ABLE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT WITH YOUR DUMB%$$.
May 19, 2008 5:42 PM
 

TonyMalibu said:

EXCELLENT READ!!!  Charlmagne presented a well structured and intelligent arguement.  However, I'm not sure what to make out of the "Black men falling in love with White women" part though.  Can someone help me out with that one?

Only thing is...I hate when cats get politically correct.  I think dude coulda left the "It's not a black versus white thing" part out.  Everybody already knows that so why do WE always have to mention that!  When people begin compromising, they only compromise themselves and RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!  We got a right to be PISSED about the murder of Sean Bell and the injustice of the court system!  Charlmagne is right however, it's not a black versus white thing.  But I have a question.

Is it a white versus black thing?  

Look at the bullshit...the 100 years of lynching, the "lynchings" that STILL take place today, the discriminating...just take a good look at everything, and you tell me.

May 23, 2008 2:44 PM
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