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Obscurus Rappus Maximus: Is The New York Rapper Becoming Extinct? 
Published Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:00 PM
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By Shelby Powell
I tend to think of the NYC absence in the Hip-Hop mainstream as our fault.  It's like putting grandma in a home and never going to visit her.  You have heard all the stories.  You remember all the lessons and have applied them to your day to day. You don't think there is anything else she can say or do that you haven't already experienced. So you tend to your own life, forgetting that she is one of the reasons you are here in the first place. Damn ungrateful ass brat.
 
I don't think there is anyone in this culture who can't trace one of the reasons they love Hip-Hop to someone from New York City. Waxing nostalgic tends to be an exercise in futility in such an evolutionary genre, but looking back on New York Hip-Hop of yesteryear can be quite the romantic experience for people.

Not that New Yorkers particularly want folks to do that.  It's probably in giving too much credence to the past that we lose what these people are doing today. Kind of like with grandma.  If you think what she has already given you is all she has to offer, then you wont pay attention to anything new she's trying to present.
 
There are some folks I've spoken with who really believe the fall of New York is New York's fault.  Defrosted and warmed over "heard it before" production; a serious lack of creativity and maybe a bit of the crabs in a barrel mentality have plagued the once great city and its artists.  This, I have issues with as the South seems to have a more cookie cutter pattern than any region I've ever seen, yet it works. If creativity was the problem then 90% of rappers wouldn't be rapping, regardless of what area of the country they are from.  That leaves a lack of unity, but that of course would be a symptom of the fall off, not the cause.
 
So what is it?  Jay, Nas, 50 and Busta have all been around for a long time.  While they still put out stuff their respective fan bases enjoy from time to time, how much longer can we expect them to? And who exactly are they going to will their crowns to? Maino? No disrespect to dude, but he wouldn't be able to carry 5 boroughs on his back too far. And speaking of the one new ray of light emanating from the black hole known as the New York mainstream, the attention didn't shift in his direction until he got a southern co-sign.  So could that be the fix?  Does T.I. need to start a label just for wayward, under-appreciated New York emcees?  Is the North East in need of a down home southern fried rescue? I really hope that isn't the case because tainting the boom bap with leaning and snapping is just ass.  Really, it is.
 
Maybe it's the onslaught of participants.  I haven't been to New York in years, but I swear it seems like every other guy is a rapper these days.  It might be the saturation of the industry with decent talent that leads to everyone getting a paper thin slice of the attention pie. Hell if I know.
 
Maybe New York is just a done deal.  That wealth of talent will simply have to sit on the sidelines and accept their minimal consideration as the best it's going to get.  It does appear that the rest of the country has moved on in a major kind of way.  There is a southern arrogance that talks some of the artists down here into believing their reign is perpetual, but most of us know better.  I'll bet a million dollars there were plenty of New Yorkers thinking the same thing 10 years ago. So what is there to do?  Short of finding and removing the screws they used to install that glass ceiling  that's keeping the north east out of the spotlight, all we can do is pay a little attention and respect to the birthplace of the music. Support the folks that you feel by actually purchasing their music and last but not least, find some time to go visit grandma.

Comments

 

DonBlaze_SAF4Life said:

First! just always wanted to say that ok now i'm off to read the rumors...
December 10, 2008 12:03 PM
 

bknewstash said:

the GOATS come from NYC.
BIG, Jay, Pun, Big L, Lox, Krs one, kool g, kane, rakim, nas, dmx etc etc etc..................
December 10, 2008 12:04 PM
 

alski said:

EVERYTHING ORIGINATES FROM NYC, TAKE A LOOK AT BREAKDANCING THE BEST CAT WAS THE ROCK STEADY CREW NOW THE BEST CATS ARE IN JAPAN...HIP HOP IS UNIVERSAL IT COMES OUT OF NEW YORK AND SPREADS TO THE WORLD, NEW YORK HASNT FELL OFF IT JUST GOT TO MANY DAMN RAPPERS, AND HALF THE CATS ARE GARBAGE SO THAT ENABLES OTHER GARBAGE RAPPERS LIKE YOUNG BERG, JIM JONES, WACK ASS, ACE HOOD AND COUNTLESS OTHERS TO LOOK LIKE STARS WHEN THEY ARE STRAIGHT TRASH...IT USE TO BE A GAME OF SKILL WHEN BIG AND PAC DIED AND PUN IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY WANTS TO RAP....READ A BOOK OR GO TO SCHOOL , LEARN SOMETHING DIFFRENT....PEACE
December 10, 2008 12:10 PM
 

MisterFrankBones said:

NEW YORK will be back.....
December 10, 2008 12:16 PM
 

malik001 said:

I disagree. New York still got that HEAT. Niggas just need to unify and get that cheese like the south.

http://www.StreetJournal.net

December 10, 2008 12:28 PM
 

bonafide_hustla said:

New York and LA didnt ever go anywhere, fucking radio started playing south and just cant seem to stop...FUCK ALL RADIO STATIONS ONLY PLAYING SOUTHERN RAPPERS SHIT
December 10, 2008 12:33 PM
 

TheHonorable said:

Shelby, as my esteemed collleauge here at AHH...I got to say this.

Perhaps its time we let Grandma die.

How long will you New Yorkers continue to bitch and moan about your music losing credibility.

Everything has its impact. It is born, it lives, and it dies. Sometimes you just need to pull the plug.

The reason why the "cookie cutter" (and the nerve of a NYer( or representer) saying that about southern artists is laughable in itself) succeed is becuase they have cared thier niche, and people like it. They also evolved (especially within the last 5 years) at a pace further than up north artists. If you need examples, look no further than Wayne + T.I.

NY has stayed in thier shell,and now they are paying for it.  I doubt they will be back, shelling out acts like Max B("itchin"), Yung "slapped up" Berg, and Jim " Creature Feature" Jones.


December 10, 2008 12:34 PM
 

Divine12th said:

Big up to the homie Biggie. Big up to all the NY pioneers who paved the way.

This was Bigz 2nd home. When he dropped his isht was flyin off the shelves here like crazy. He prolly soundscan'd more here than there...real rap

So why is Philly always left out the origin/deep roots of HIP HOP?

When cats was comin out NY all crazy, we had MCz/producers makin moves here. Isht sum NY cats was comin here to get exposed, cuz NY was flooded wit MCz tryna get put on all at the same time...

In the mid-80's Lady B was exposin a lot of that NY talent that NY personalities wasnt too much interested in all crazy...this was like Ultramagnetic MCz 2nd home.

We had Schooly, Tuff Crew, 3xDope, Jazzy Jeff/Fresh Prince, Cool C, Stead, Lawrence Goodman, Cash $/Marvelous, Tat $, Kwame (K-1, Jerz stand up) Crown Rulers (Camden stand up)...who all has a place in HIP HOP history...

All I'm sayin is can Philly ever get sum luv for helpin pave the way for "True" HIP HOP as a culture...

RIP BIG

You will never be extinct here in Philly!!!

2-1-5 in the buildin!!!

www.divine12th@yahoo.com
December 10, 2008 12:35 PM
 

BKsDrDRE said:

We must destroy and rebuild.
December 10, 2008 12:35 PM
 

BKsDrDRE said:

@ Honorable

evolved in 5 years you mention Wayne and T.I.

evolved usually means upgrading with the times, Wayne is a horrible example. His music is terrible; Sales, or no sales. If i have to explain why his music is terrible, its a lost cause. Its over ya head.

T.I. i feel has gotten much worst, Paper trail was a boring album. But he is still a decent artist, far from good.

Once hip-hop is buried, New York will dig it back up. But for now yall can keep it. The game is embarrassing.

December 10, 2008 12:43 PM
 

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December 10, 2008 12:44 PM
 

DubP said:

I love everything about this entry! I feel like I have encountered, dealt with, been related to or dated more than my fair share of NYC/East Coast rappers. Most of them are struggling financially while holding fast to their dream, a couple have found a great plan B behind the scenesof music that is paying off and others have abandoned their dreams of working in entertainment. Either way the struggle is real. I used to think the problem was that NYers hath forsaken their backyard rappers and jumped on the Midwest and Southern bandwagon. Now, I just don’t know what the hell the problem is, but we definitely need to unite.

I agree with the lack of originality in NY. On a side note, I think it’s quite ironic that rappers will attribute their addiction to herbal relaxation to the effect it has on their creativity. Really? It makes yall MORE creative? I truly haven’t seen much proof-, but I digress. On the flip side, as you said …..Southern rappers are cookie cutter like a mugggg!!!! I mean WTF? I think the fans and buyers of the music are getting younger and younger therefore eliminating the great need for substance in the music. Shyt youngins just wanna shake their arse! You can’t really be mad….and a lot of these rappers just want to make dollars so they are all too willing to ….get sillyyyyy—get silly!

I love Maino. I downloaded his joints a few weeks ago and he has amazing swag…lyrics and a rawness. He has been through some real ish! I also give him props for being in his mid 30s and emerging from obscurity to the spotlight. Kudos! He can definitely get people looking East, but he definitely cannot carry us in the long run.

This is the time for NY artists to get smart really quick. The coonery of the South has been hot like fiyah for a minute now (no disrespect b/c there are a few “true” artists). You need to truly get creative and not just listen to the “yes” men in your life who are NOT challenging you to be better…sound better…promote better…perform better.

I will always support - Word!

www.myspace.com/dubpee
December 10, 2008 12:46 PM
 

DubP said:

@BKs DrDre

You said:
"Once hip-hop is buried, New York will dig it back up."

I agree that NY/East Coast will resurrect hip hop once people finally get bored with the fluff and familiar. However, NY artists shouldn't just sit idle and wait til the industry has been murdered.

Study the bizness yall. Dont fall into to the myopic thinking of ...Im a rapper...I write lyrics and record rhymes. Learn the bizness.

Work harder AND smarter.

-the Dubster ;OP

December 10, 2008 12:52 PM
 

hercsr said:

The game just swung south for a minute that's all in a few years it's gonna swing somewhere else and new york isn't the birthblace of southern rap for the most part our music doesn't have any of the same components no "boom bap" we use cymbols snares and 808's we mostly influenced by old blues funk and old r&b we still use their baselines and shit it's like americans claiming they gave birth to verbal communication and every other language should pay homage to english nah fuck that i speak creole but because we can both say rap in our respective language u want credit for it because i can communicate verbally too? if that's the case fuck what u talkin what we all do started in africa so new york ain't invent no "boom bap" chicken george did before they took him fuck that this ain't rap never has been this country rap tunes that's why niggas don't fuck with y'all now and shit so seperated back in the game y'all fucked over south niggas when "some" was tryin to do new york style music we got on being country now we owe y'all and should pay homage? bitch u ain't open no doors for us every south nigga that i consider a great was big news down here way back scarface ugk even baby nem been been doin it ain't nobody besides jay-z even acknowledge they existed from new york we got on doin us keep doin y'all and u may get the game back "south niggas is slow" y'all been up north with them white folks so long y'all done picked up they ways hatin on ur own people but now we owe y'all somethin "we created rap" yeah and if u notice our shit sound totaly different so u ain't create what the south do we did y'all created "boom bap" it's yours keep it y'all got some nerve ya black crackers
December 10, 2008 12:53 PM
 

mrmarcus619 said:


  alski said:
EVERYTHING ORIGINATES FROM NYC, TAKE A LOOK AT BREAKDANCING THE BEST CAT WAS THE ROCK STEADY CREW NOW THE BEST CATS ARE IN JAPAN...HIP HOP IS UNIVERSAL IT COMES OUT OF NEW YORK AND SPREADS TO THE WORLD, NEW YORK HASNT FELL OFF IT JUST GOT TO MANY DAMN RAPPERS, AND HALF THE CATS ARE GARBAGE SO THAT ENABLES OTHER GARBAGE RAPPERS LIKE YOUNG BERG, JIM JONES, WACK ASS, ACE HOOD AND COUNTLESS OTHERS TO LOOK LIKE STARS WHEN THEY ARE STRAIGHT TRASH...IT USE TO BE A GAME OF SKILL WHEN BIG AND PAC DIED AND PUN IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY WANTS TO RAP....READ A BOOK OR GO TO SCHOOL , LEARN SOMETHING DIFFRENT....PEACE


you can come up with any and many excuses but the truth is...it's ova!!!!
December 10, 2008 12:54 PM
 

Flwlssdarapchic said:

As an artist from Brooklyn, NY I can state as a fact that alot of labels don't want to fuck with NY Rappers. For one thing, many NY rappers lack humility. Yes, NY has given birth to some of the greatest Rappers. However, that don't mean that every Rapper/artist from NY is GREAT. Your borough doesn't make you great. Your talent does.

For two, NY Rappers have set the bar so high for artists on the come up. Everybody's looking for the next Foxy Brown, Jay-Z, Li'l Kim etc. As a result of that, many artists that may be equally as talented don't get any points for being different. It's like people dis you if your too much like these artists but will dismiss you if your style is too much not like these artists.

Another thing is the whole crabs in a barrel issue. It seems like in the south people put each other on. In NY, your own peoples won't support you. Not necessarily because they don't like your music. They just don't. New Yorkers need to realize that NY is only one city out of many. If we don't support our own artists... who will??



December 10, 2008 12:56 PM
 

Flwlssdarapchic said:

As an artist from Brooklyn, NY I can state as a fact that alot of labels don't want to fuck with NY Rappers. For one thing, many NY rappers lack humility. Yes, NY has given birth to some of the greatest Rappers. However, that don't mean that every Rapper/artist from NY is GREAT. Your borough doesn't make you great. Your talent does.

For two, NY Rappers have set the bar so high for artists on the come up. Everybody's looking for the next Foxy Brown, Jay-Z, Li'l Kim etc. As a result of that, many artists that may be equally as talented don't get any points for being different. It's like people dis you if your too much like these artists but will dismiss you if your style is too much not like these artists.

Another thing is the whole crabs in a barrel issue. It seems like in the south people put each other on. In NY, your own peoples won't support you. Not necessarily because they don't like your music. They just don't. New Yorkers need to realize that NY is only one city out of many. If we don't support our own artists... who will??



December 10, 2008 12:57 PM
 

ra-mes7 said:

Here are the facts: there are more Black folks down south than anywhere else in the USA, so it mght have been inevitable that as Hip Hop (or at least rap music) spread out and became more entrenched in other regions, wherever the "majority" is would take over, to some extent, especially when it started becoming a money-making venture for more and more people.

With that being said, New York Hip Hop is still alive...but in a lot of ways, at least from what I can tell, has been forced to kind of take things back to the essence. Keep in mind, rappers were around for years before anyone made money from selling a record. Ask Cold Crush. Not so much grandma, but the eldest child that was born 10 years before quintuplets that is now expected to take care of himself and doesn't get the attention he still deserves.
December 10, 2008 12:58 PM
 

ZHOOV-BOY said:

i think the problem with NY is that
they got it in they head that since Hip Hop started in NY
it should always be about NY
well hip hop is worldwide now
and everyone is on to it and everyone else is working hard on they shit and NY cats is still on some
we started this shit here
and getting lazy wit they shit
and the game has changed its not about your lyrical skill anymore
its about can you make a HIT RECORD
and thats something not many NY rappers can do right now


i dont wqant to write a book
so i'ma just STFU now LOLOL
December 10, 2008 1:02 PM
 

tupacfan35 said:

I Think NY Rap's in very bad shape, because ever since biggie died, it has gotten even worse than ever before, just like the south

I Think hip-hop and music in general is fucked up and in very horrible shape.
December 10, 2008 1:02 PM
 

Ms_JoiBella said:

WELL LIKE SCARFACE SAID ITS TOO MANY DEALERS AND NOT ENOUGH CUSTOMERS. AND THE PROBLEM IS THE PRODUCT HAS BEEN CHOPPED UP SO MUCH THAT IT DOESN'T WORK ANY MORE. SO THE CUSTOMERS LOOKS FOR ANOTHER FIX. AND THAT FIX ISN'T FROM NY. HELL EVEN THE NEW YORKERS ARE LEAVING NEW YORK TO DO OTHER THINGS, I.E. DIDDY. HE WENT TO LA TO PERSUE ACTING.

I DON'T THINK NY FELL OFF I THINK WITH ALL THE WACK ISH THAT GETS RADIO PLAY THE GOOD ISH GETS LOOKED OVER. AND WITH ALL THIS AUTOTUNE MESS THE PRODUCT IS GETTING WORSE. THERE WILL BE SOME NEW HOTNESS SOON JUST BE WAIT AND SEE.
December 10, 2008 1:04 PM
 

shelz said:

well, it wasnt my intention to bitch or moan and im not from new york.  that niche that southern artists have carved based on the fans liking what they do is true, but my question is didnt new york do the same thing?  what un-carved the niche for them? and there are plenty of artists who have evolved from everywhere across the country.  pulling out the best of the best of the south and (arguably) the perceived worst of the north isnt fair and doesnt explain the cookie cutter southern artists who have larger fan bases than the best, most evolved northern artists...

i understand the genre has blossomed and moved on, but do we really need to assign nyc road kill status?  
December 10, 2008 1:05 PM
 

Freddie Kincaid said:

as a fan of hiphop for the last twenty years, I can recall when evrything came from new york. I was a little fan all the way in Arkansas. one of the biggest problems is the media has isolated ny hip hop.  15 yrs ago, it was not about where you were from. Now that seems to be the only thing. you cannot belive that hip hop is this great entity but that it wouldn't expand beyond the borroughs. maybe it's karma. ny has turned their noses up to everyone. how can you deny that artist like ice cube, scarface, andre 3000 are not bonafied emcees. until the new york reallizes that talent and skill is not dependent on being from ny then maybe ny can progress. yes ny does have that crab in abarrel ment. not everyone from the south is snap and until this is realizzed the problem will perstist. also ny refuses to support it own viable artist. emcees like jada,  talib, are not supported due to the fact there is no gimmick to buy into. every since 50 came on the scene, it's been about beef to get a name. NY lowered their standards while everyone else raised theirs. you can not blame that on anyone but ny. it's time NY tried lookin at NY and quit using the other regions short comings as the reason for their own.
December 10, 2008 1:06 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

NY is ass right now.

Apart from beefs there ain't really
any music coming from there.

NY focuses on how to get the beef

right, while the south is making music.

----------------------------------

NY is ass right now.

Apart from beefs there ain't really
any music coming from there.

NY focuses on how to get the beef

right, while the south is making music.

----------------------------------

NY is ass right now.

Apart from beefs there ain't really
any music coming from there.

NY focuses on how to get the beef

right, while the south is making music.

----------------------------------

NY is ass right now.

Apart from beefs there ain't really
any music coming from there.

NY focuses on how to get the beef

right, while the south is making music.

----------------------------------

NY is ass right now.

Apart from beefs there ain't really
any music coming from there.

NY focuses on how to get the beef

right, while the south is making music.

----------------------------------

NY is ass right now.

Apart from beefs there ain't really
any music coming from there.

NY focuses on how to get the beef

right, while the south is making music.

----------------------------------

NY is ass right now.

Apart from beefs there ain't really
any music coming from there.

NY focuses on how to get the beef

right, while the south is making music.

----------------------------------

NY is ass right now.

Apart from beefs there ain't really
any music coming from there.

NY focuses on how to get the beef

right, while the south is making music.

----------------------------------

NY is ass right now.

Apart from beefs there ain't really
any music coming from there.

NY focuses on how to get the beef

right, while the south is making music.

----------------------------------
December 10, 2008 1:11 PM
 

ThreeTwo_BigWil said:

Let's keep it real.  Artists like T.I. and Luda hold it down for the South, but they are more in tune with what a NY artist would do than somebody like D4L or and they don't do snap music.  The New York rapper is not dead by a longshot.  What we have to do is focus on making good music and dead this battle rap bullsh*t.  NY struggles because instead of making quality music we focus on who we can diss next.  The South pretty much snagged the game because they said the hell with it, last have some fun and people were ready for music to just be about music.  Niggas want to talk about how much weight they move and the average listener wants more than that.  If they didn't Maino would be platinum now.  To qoute Lost Boyz, "Bustin' caps ain't gotta damn thing to do wit havin' rap skills."  Everybody on the boards wants to talk about Biggie and Pac.  Well we gotta understand that while they talked real life they also understood that an album is not complete without the right amount of commercialism.  I think we need to stop worrying about regions and just make good music period.  Every region has hott music and wack music.  If we want to change the game let's do it with the music and not with the whining.  Peace      
December 10, 2008 1:11 PM
 

ToneofTERRAZONA~BWS said:

 bknewstash said:
the GOATS come from NYC.
BIG, Jay, Pun, Big L, Lox, Krs one, kool g, kane, rakim, nas, dmx etc etc etc...........

The question is "Is The New York Rapper Becoming Extinct?"
you obviously dont understand......most of the cats you named arent alive or dont spit any more, which is kinda what "extinct" means.
December 10, 2008 1:11 PM
 

cabeatty84 said:

DubP>>

I love Maino. I downloaded his joints a few weeks ago and he has amazing swag…lyrics and a rawness. He has been through some real ish! I also give him props for being in his mid 30s and emerging from obscurity to the spotlight. Kudos! He can definitely get people looking East, but he definitely cannot carry us in the long run.


I was with you till there lol. Maino is garbage. Swagger, lyrics, and rawness? HE is garbage. NY has some real cats that are doing they thing just need the city behind them. NY doesnt, i repeat DOES NOT SUPPORT THEIR ARTIST. Joe Buttons had it right. Damn get behind Joell Ortiz, Curtains, Charles Hamilton even( dont know about that kid). But damn ya'll pushing ass artist like Ron "doodoo"Brownz. smh
December 10, 2008 1:14 PM
 

tupacfan35 said:

as a fan of hiphop for the last twenty years, I can recall when evrything came from new york. I was a little fan all the way in Arkansas. one of the biggest problems is the media has isolated ny hip hop.  15 yrs ago, it was not about where you were from. Now that seems to be the only thing. you cannot belive that hip hop is this great entity but that it wouldn't expand beyond the borroughs. maybe it's karma. ny has turned their noses up to everyone. how can you deny that artist like ice cube, scarface, andre 3000 are not bonafied emcees. until the new york reallizes that talent and skill is not dependent on being from ny then maybe ny can progress. yes ny does have that crab in abarrel ment. not everyone from the south is snap and until this is realizzed the problem will perstist. also ny refuses to support it own viable artist. emcees like jada,  talib, are not supported due to the fact there is no gimmick to buy into. every since 50 came on the scene, it's been about beef to get a name. NY lowered their standards while everyone else raised theirs. you can not blame that on anyone but ny. it's time NY tried lookin at NY and quit using the other regions short comings as the reason for their own.

Co-Sign.

Biggie, pun and stack bundles are rolling in their graves.

and it's time for 5-0 and his crew to get them out of NY Rap, they are a disaster to the east coast.
December 10, 2008 1:15 PM
 

shelz said:

saying that every artist in ny has turned their nose up at other regions is just like saying all southern music is crunk.  neither is true. im just curious on an mc by mc basis why the truly talented northern artists cant get out of regional status...
December 10, 2008 1:17 PM
 

loch121 said:

COMING UP I NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED THE SOUTH WOULD RUN SHIT CUZ IT WAS HARD FOR US TO BE ACCEPTED WORLDWIDE.HIP HOP MOVES IN CYCLES NEW YORK WILL RUN SHIT AGAIN AND THE WEST WILL GET IT'S TIME AND THE CYCLE WILL GO ON.TO BE HONEST WHEREVER THE MOST HOOD MONEY IS WILL RUN RAP.THE WORK IS DOWN SOUTH NOW.IT WAS IN NY,THEN THE WEST,THEN THE SOUTH.THE NEW YORK BOSSES IS WHO ARE PUTTIN OUT ALL THIS SOUTH SHIT SO IT'S STILL RAN BY NY BEHIND THE SCENES.
December 10, 2008 1:22 PM
 

poe said:

NY ain't going nowhere & this is coming from a Texas resident.
December 10, 2008 1:25 PM
 

Above All said:

NEW YORK doesnt give a fuck what anyone outside of NY thinks...We honestly laugh at you so called "ON TOP" artists.....cuz your trash......A 13 yr old kid from Yonkers is going to go buy the New Jadakiss tape..while the same age kid from ATL is buying a Lil wayne or Souja Boy..Get it?

You pleople make me sick saying NY fell off....It just your not checking for them........I bet if you name your top 10 MCs ever more then half are from NY.......

Talkin bout cookie cutter trax....All the songs i hear on the radio sound the same..Same features....Same aotutune...same 808........And they are all southern artists.....hmmmmm


Honestly if you think that what you see on TV and hear on the radio is HIP HOP then you have no idea. All these wack mainstream rappers can have it.....Cuz its going back to the streets.....

There is a million NY artists that spit harder then most southern cats......They just dont get looked at on a Mainstream level cuz they arent putting out dance records or using autotune etc....

If you want some substance in yoru lyrics listen to these guys

Joell Ortiz
Saigon
Wu-Tang
D-Block
Santana
Sky zoo
Stimuli
Nas
Hova
Talib
Mos def
papoose
etc.....
December 10, 2008 1:28 PM
 

Above All said:

@loch 21

"THE NEW YORK BOSSES IS WHO ARE PUTTIN OUT ALL THIS SOUTH SHIT SO IT'S STILL RAN BY NY BEHIND THE SCENES."


I agree with that homie....The top 3 Forbe Hip Hop earners were all from NY. Diddy,Fifty,and Hova...

and now fifty just got the forbes award for highest grossing musical act....

So really


WO RUN THIS SHIT?
December 10, 2008 1:30 PM
 

cabeatty84 said:

loch121  ur wrong.

The south is running their own. Dont try to sly the south and say NY is running it behind the scenes. The south started that independent shit. Come on J Prince, Master P, even Cash money had the south on lock. They made the industry look at them and come fuck with them. NY is trying to be the industry.
December 10, 2008 1:31 PM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

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December 10, 2008 1:31 PM
 

TheHonorable said:

Honorable

evolved in 5 years you mention Wayne and T.I.

evolved usually means upgrading with the times, Wayne is a horrible example. His music is terrible; Sales, or no sales. If i have to explain why his music is terrible, its a lost cause. Its over ya head.

T.I. i feel has gotten much worst, Paper trail was a boring album. But he is still a decent artist, far from good.

Once hip-hop is buried, New York will dig it back up. But for now yall can keep it. The game is embarrassing.

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This comment exemplifies everything whats wrong with your region.

Music is an evloving force. Anything, in any genre that sounds teh same, gets stales, and dies. Its its time ending.

Waynes music isnt horrible. Thats some hate type shit. Its obvious (if you read my column) I am not his biggest fan at all, but to say that is on some other...

Paper Trail is one of his better albums, way more complete than TI vs TIP and darte I say King.

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well, it wasnt my intention to bitch or moan and im not from new york.  that niche that southern artists have carved based on the fans liking what they do is true, but my question is didnt new york do the same thing?  what un-carved the niche for them? and there are plenty of artists who have evolved from everywhere across the country.  pulling out the best of the best of the south and (arguably) the perceived worst of the north isnt fair and doesnt explain the cookie cutter southern artists who have larger fan bases than the best, most evolved northern artists...

i understand the genre has blossomed and moved on, but do we really need to assign nyc road kill status?  

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I realize your not from NY, but the whole issue is that NYers got it, but then rested on thier laurels. The music started running together.  Who isnt cookie cutter form NY?

I think NY assigned itself the Roadkill status. Dont believe me, pay attention to every NY'er comment, running with that HipHop is dead from Nas, say they love the album, and seemly never listened to "Hope"

"If you say Hip Hop is Dead, your probaly the reason it died"
December 10, 2008 1:32 PM
 

cabeatty84 said:

DAMN FORGOT ABOUT SKY-ZOO. He and homie Wale down here in DMV did some songs together. Go check out "Hacksaw Jim Dougan" and "Lyrically Inclined"
Damn NY get behind him. Not Jim "got the cooties" Jones.


                                                      VA to Bmore
December 10, 2008 1:35 PM
 

DubP said:

@ cabeatty84

I definitely agree with NYs lack of unity and support and I mentioned that in my first post.

re: Maino....we will have to agree to disagree there. I don't know how many of Maino's tracks you heard, but err...the joints I heard were tough ... he has lived!

Someone touched on the crab in the barrel thing and I attribute that to the reason why we don't really support each other. When the industry was thriving there was still only a tiny percentage "making it". Now, it's even worse! So, if you everybody is trying to get put on they're pretty much just going to think about themselves.

I guess it's the difference between the slaves that made it North to "freedom" and those who were yet to be freed. Those still in the South HAD to stick together to get out. Relate that to NYC around the mid-late 90s when NY/East started to lose its grip to the South who were getting no real love from labels and had to band together to be heard.



December 10, 2008 1:36 PM
 

Above All said:

@DJ TEKNISION

"FORGET ABOUT NEW YORK, REAL RAPPERS AT A WHOLE ARE BECOMING EXTINCT!!! THE GAME IS LIKE ONE BIG REALITY SHOW, THIS ONE BEEFING WITH THIS ONE, THIS ONE SAID THIS ABOUT THIS ONE.  NOTHING IS ABOUT THE MUSIC ANYMORE, JUST ON BAD MOVIE WITH ALOT OF BAD ACTORS. "

Thats the realest shit ever wrote on this board...... agree 100%
December 10, 2008 1:37 PM
 

IronHorse said:

NYC "fell off" because the industry structure is outdated.
Why does that matter?
Not much, only that every single major lable is and has always been in New York since FOREVER!!
So what you say?
Well, in the "golden era" one of the main reasons why "real hip-hop" prevailed is because of the indie lables in NYC at the time that got bought out or folded to the majors i.e. loud, cold chillin, rawkus,lanspeed etc. you know where all the thorough shit was at...
No major lable can do street music with street niggas, period.
LABLES ARE REACTIVE NOT PROACTIVE, so they always copy the trend, so if timbs & hoodies is in and the sound is rugged major lables are gonna go there....
When cats like Puff wu tang and rocafella came along with that authentic street shit, with street nigga ideas it crushed anything a major could come up with. it changed the way buisness was done forever.
Thats when the rules changed and the record lable model started to chage...
Soon you had the internet in all its fucked up glory, bloods & crips popping up everywhere, rappers everywhere, pimps everywhere, strippers, thugs, everybody stared looking like & rapping like who...jay-z....the architect of the hustler/rapper image.
He showed street niggas the way to get money on a corporate level without having to:
A.go to college.
B.Take off their durag.
Rap became a hustle instead of a passion.
And guess who was ALWAYS doing the indie route and never  conformed to the way lables USED to be ran like NYC had too...
The south.
When this old lable model switched over to some out the trunk type shit, The south been on that! they was ahead of the curve...thats all it is...the south aint have no place in the industry back then and it prepared them for this new era were in now, thats why none of them move like a traditional lable now...and guess who else doesnt move like a traditional lable...TRADITIONAL LABLES!!
How can they when they are reactive and not proactive?
Lables live in the now and for their numbers...
And lable it how you want but once you get black people to exploit black people, the dynamics change.
Everything becomes this double edge sword or hypocritical stance on everything and all it does is split generations and regions just like its doing now.
Lables don't care. They are not created to too.
This kinda shit is for arguments sake, or to get site views cause people are just sick of music in general...nobody blames anybody until you get in the internet...
I know after my comments theres gonna be mad opinions about this but we got enough of that opinionated bullshit going on...lets talk facts STRICTLY and not entertain ourselves tryin to throw NYC under the bus cause it seems popular.
Music sucks. Its cookie cutter and lacks real emotion or feeling.
And if the New York Rapper is becoming extinct then yeah Hip Hop is dead in the same breathe.
For every 1 thing wrong with the game theres another 2 things, Nobody has a leg up on anybody in Hip Hop right now.
Street niggas is gonna be street niggas, and when you got shit like youtube and world star out there to make you an instant star, regular street shit seems like a joke to the "viewer" you know the ones who aint in the hood or understand the streets, you can afford to criticize the way the streets are because you dont have to live this life at all...
Do an article asking why people outside the hood buy up all the street shit so much? Or why they only wanna hear crazy shit on the records, nothing positive, EVER? ask that shit...
Black america comes with a barcode, believe that...
December 10, 2008 1:37 PM
 

Above All said:

ANother problem is niggas are too sensitive in 08.......Nobody wants to hear hard hittin, split your wig open rap music

perfect example is when MOP's ANTE UP was a MAINSTREAM SONG!

Im sorry but 10 yrs ago....Lolli pop and Suntin like my daddy...or lean wit it rock wit it etc..... wouldnt get play on the radio..people would be like what is this soft shit and its not cusz they are sotuhern cuz Juvenile and the hot boyz were puttin out hard records.....

The game just got soft cuz its all a show..

REAL HIP HOP LIVES IN THE STREET!!!!!!!!!!

not internet,TV,or radio
December 10, 2008 1:46 PM
 

mr.201973 said:

Hip Hop needs more supporters even if you do rap.

http://www.amalgamdigital.com/artist-details.aspx?id=2119
December 10, 2008 1:47 PM
 

SEVERE SWAGGA said:

THERES PLENTY OF HOT ARTIST IN N.Y . ITS JUSS DAT THESE LABELS AINT ON THERE JOB ALL THESE FAKE A&R S AND ALL DA PAYOLA AND POLITICS HAVE FUCKED SHIT UP IN HIP HOP PERIOD...PLUS THIS DAY AND TYME PEOPLE OR MORE SOFT THERE SHOOK OF ALL DAT STREET MUZIC THEY RATHER HEAR SUM WIERD SHIT....MOST THESE RAPPERS NOWDAYZ DRESS LIKE MARTY MCFLY FROM BACK 2 DA FUTURE.....SO VERY SOON THEY GONNA START DRESSING LIKE PRINCE...
December 10, 2008 1:49 PM
 

SEVERE SWAGGA said:

THERES PLENTY OF HOT ARTIST IN N.Y . ITS JUSS DAT THESE LABELS AINT ON THERE JOB ALL THESE FAKE A&R S AND ALL DA PAYOLA AND POLITICS HAVE FUCKED SHIT UP IN HIP HOP PERIOD...PLUS THIS DAY AND TYME PEOPLE OR MORE SOFT THERE SHOOK OF ALL DAT STREET MUZIC THEY RATHER HEAR SUM WIERD SHIT....MOST THESE RAPPERS NOWDAYZ DRESS LIKE MARTY MCFLY FROM BACK 2 DA FUTURE.....SO VERY SOON THEY GONNA START DRESSING LIKE PRINCE...
December 10, 2008 1:49 PM
 

DiggityDash said:

all i have to say is this... the industry is a big circle... areas throughout the world and our country will definately get that time to shine... and depending on our hunger and passionate artist will determine where it will go next...

As far back as i can remember... the rotation went a little like this... Up North, West Coast, Up North/East Coast, South, West Coast, Mid-west, Up North, South...

i would say coming up soon expect some big things in LA and the Westcoast... because right after that is our time to shine from NY all the way down to VA...

December 10, 2008 1:49 PM
 

SEVERE SWAGGA said:

THERES PLENTY OF HOT ARTIST IN N.Y . ITS JUSS DAT THESE LABELS AINT ON THERE JOB ALL THESE FAKE A&R S AND ALL DA PAYOLA AND POLITICS HAVE FUCKED SHIT UP IN HIP HOP PERIOD...PLUS THIS DAY AND TYME PEOPLE OR MORE SOFT THERE SHOOK OF ALL DAT STREET MUZIC THEY RATHER HEAR SUM WIERD SHIT....MOST THESE RAPPERS NOWDAYZ DRESS LIKE MARTY MCFLY FROM BACK 2 DA FUTURE.....SO VERY SOON THEY GONNA START DRESSING LIKE PRINCE...
December 10, 2008 1:49 PM
 

DubP said:

@TheHonorable

I do kinda agree that there is some cookie cutter bizness with NY artists too, but it's better tasting cookies ;O).

Nahh...for real tho....across all genres you will not find complete originality with every artist. That's not possible. However, I feel that NY artists have offered more diversity than any other region. It has always been that way- from Fat Boys to BDP ...from Busta to Big ..from the Wu to Talib.

There just seems to be a lack of diversity in the South. I can think of two types of Southern rappers. Take a guess....
December 10, 2008 1:56 PM
 

Kappagem said:

I think some of these posts on here have really hit the nail on the head sorta speak...a few things that stick out to me...

NY Hip Hop isn't humble - I agree.  Too much complacency if you ask me.  Mofo's think just because you from New York, people supposed to respect what you spit...but if you suck, you suck!  And honestly, I haven't seen a lot of artists come up outta NY on anything lately.  Jay, hot.  Nas, hot.  Busta still spits.  Fabo goes hard.  The LOX...ain't they really like Philly/Yonkers?  I mean, either way...it comes down to this...

If you aren't a good rapper, I don't care where you from, you don't get play.  And NY don't seem to support they artists like they should anyhow.  You know what f*cked up NY hip-hop?  At least as commercial business goes?  The Internet, and NY laziness.  For real...

The $$$ that makes the most money for record sales and translates too good marketing nationwide is coming from the midwest.  Trust me...mofo's from the midwest still buy cd's and what not.  If you can get people from the midwest (black, white, asian, green, whateva), then you can go platinum.  And that's just the truth.  Producers know that.  Midwest is "slowest" when it comes to technology.  Think about it...

West Coast - Quick with technology (illegal downloads and shyt)
East Coast - Ditto (especially NY.  King City of bootlegging)
South - They be burnin' shyt too.
Midwest - (I promise you...they the slowest at that shyt)

The internet has changed the game, and if you can't get white suburbia to buy your shyt, you won't go platty.  For real, if NY supported it's own artists as they SHOULD, then there is NO WAY Nas still ain't went platinum!  No way Jay only sold a lil over a mill of American Gangster.

It all it's cyclical tho...East was hot, then the West in the 90's, and nowadays it just goes where it goes (think about the artists who sell or sold the most from 98-2005. They were from every area of the country).  The South is just hot right now...no need to hate.
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DubP - I was reading your post, and I could feel where you were going with most of it.  But then you pretty much clowned the South (I hate regionalizing shyt anyhow), and followed it up with saying Maino (MAINO!?) was hot!  Get outta here...his shyt is kinda cookie cutter boring too.  "Hi Hater, Hi Hater"...for real?

That's like his only hot joint.  That and smacking rappers.  If anything, he's an example of what's WRONG with NY hip hop...kinda sorry actually...and that Hi Hater shyt ain't even the business!!!

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As far as the article goes, I think I need to speak with AHH to find out how they decide who can write for their website.  For real, this article seems mad biased.  I could write about the decline of NY Hip Hop in an "my perspective" type approach, but still not be so decidedly biased against the South or what not.  I'm actually tired of all this "regional" bullshyt.  real talk, that's why NY is hurtin' so bad right now...so much hate focused on "the south", and not enough originality coming out of the music.

Just not good.

Notice how the South blew up on IT's own SOUND???

It's called being original, even if other artists from the South have duplicated what other South artist's have.  It's called a formula.  Other artists need to just create their own formula, make it hot, and go from there...

It sure has worked for 50 for a while now (and I'm not even a 50 fan).

Be Original...

December 10, 2008 1:57 PM
 

IJGEternal said:

Rap in general has gone to hell, everyone sounds tha same and does tha same idiotic dance and braggs about the same stupid ass shit, there's no creatvity no more. and that goes for all sides, NYC, Tha South, Tha Midwest and My beloveded West Coast!!
When did Fight Tha power Become Wait til u see my dick???
December 10, 2008 2:00 PM
 

Freddie Kincaid said:

again this has been another article perpetuating the problem that's hurting all hiphop. how can I call myself a fan of hip hop and deny that there are great lrical emcess all over the world. NY is not the only place where emcees are found. until that truth is accepted, we will continue to see a decline I support of their artists. why would I buy a cd from someone who considers me cookie kutter because ilm not from their city. just typing this makes me feels stupid. it a shame that we allow ourselves to be divided over something so dumb. so many times I have defended the east coast because I am a fan of lyricism but if you're tellin me Jim Jones is better than Common just because Jim is frm NY then we really have a problem. I belive it is possible for NY to compete with every other region but they have to get back to the essence of what made them special. spending way too much time looking for a savior when all you need to do is support each other. everyday some rapper is dissin some other rapper. sounds more like a bunch of jealous bitches. you can't disrepect evrybody else and expect some to respect you. in the south we have proven lyricist who can flow with the best of them and we love and respect them. why can't KRS One put out an album and NY get behind it. He's just one example of emcee who is fierce but NY won't even show respect. He can sell out clubs everywhere else. seems evry since fifty got rich, ny has become one big jealous bitch mad cuz her man (hip hop) got bithces on the side. Respect the skill.
December 10, 2008 2:00 PM
 

K.A.K. DEUCE said:

@ The South: Enjoy it while it lasts
@ NY: quit your f'n cryin, you lost!

NY Hip Hop was that Das Efx, hippitty-hippity/bump-stickity-bump-stickity-bump-bump bullsh*t. That's when it was new, then something better came along: West Coast Rap.

NY swagger jacked the west and changed their style up rapper East Coast slang, with West Coast beats, and West Coast content. The only reason while yall got the ball back from the West is cause yall started rappin about all this high-priced sh*t and it sounded good. Did the West cry when we got swagger jacked??? No. We kept doin what we do.

Now the South done took over the show and has been runnin it like they supposed to and yall mad. Quit hatin and go back to the drawing board. There's a lot of nice NY rappers, but in case yall haven't noticed it's not about skills, it's about jingles and images.

@ Above All:

GTFOH, Diddy ain't puttin out NO hot sh*t. He's the Weird Al Yankovich of hip-hop wit all that bitin aka "remxin" he did. Jay-Z ran a coup after the [so-called] king died. And 50 wasn't sh*t before Dre. (West Coast) put him on. So f*ck you and your behind the scene BS.
December 10, 2008 2:01 PM
 

ToneofTERRAZONA~BWS said:

Maybe New York should stop supporting wack ass fools like
Shitty Cent.

Real Fukin Talk.  Im from the SouthWest (TerrAzona) so jeah, im a lil partial to West Coast Gangsta Shit, but I got mad respect for NY Rappers. Nas is my Dude, Jadda, Busta, Fab, Uncle Murda, even lil Cory Gunz spits FIRE.

But I'll say it again New York stop fukin wit Mrs.Curtis Jackson, he has fucked up the Face of NY.  As soon as we get rid of the parasites in Hip-Hop, NY rap can grow to what it should be.
December 10, 2008 2:05 PM
 

Illmatic T said:

they do have a dude papoose and banks.
December 10, 2008 2:07 PM
 

Kappagem said:

DubP said:
@TheHonorable

I do kinda agree that there is some cookie cutter bizness with NY artists too, but it's better tasting cookies ;O).

Nahh...for real tho....across all genres you will not find complete originality with every artist. That's not possible. However, I feel that NY artists have offered more diversity than any other region. It has always been that way- from Fat Boys to BDP ...from Busta to Big ..from the Wu to Talib.

There just seems to be a lack of diversity in the South. I can think of two types of Southern rappers. Take a guess....


^^^^^This actually still sounds biased though DubP.  And I'm just debating with you here...

I listen to music from ALL OVER, so I honestly don't have a "feel" for cookie cutter vs. not.  Honestly, I think there are some ASS rappers from EVERYWHERE.  I'm not big on artists from Texas (not saying all of them, but I'm not big on the majority of them), but that don't mean they don't have some nice rappers.  I throw cats names from all areas that I think are decent...

Jay, Nas, BIG, Pac, Big L (RIP), Pun, Andre 3000, Cube, Snoop, Game, Scarface, TIP, Kanye, Common, Lil Wayne, UGK, The LOX, Cass...

Hell, I could go on and on...

And I already know some people would disagree with a bunch of those (I notice Wayne usually gets the most hate...but that doesn't surprise me, because he gets the most sales too:), but I'm just saying if someone is nice, they nice.  And if they suck, they suck...

And right now, NY isn't the "plateau" it once was...but I don't think that's a bad thing.  I think, if anything, it should motivate the emcees who call themselves artists to do MORE...and quit blaming other regions or "sounds" for hurting their sound.

For real...artists just lack originality
December 10, 2008 2:08 PM
 

Illmatic T said:

if theres no more east coast rappers im gonna start listin 2 some jazz or somethin i cant listen 2 most dudes out
December 10, 2008 2:08 PM
 

NYCityREP said:

99% of rappers out today are wack & it's because of the audience. As Rap has become more commercial, the emphasis on lyrics has become less & less important whereas the ability to snap your fingers & make a club-hit or a strip-club record makes you a GOAT by today's standards. NY rappers like Saigon, Red Cafe, Joel Ortiz, etc... would have blown up during the 90s but people don't care about lyrics anymore they only buy 99 cent singles on iTunes or ringtones. Thus, rappers like Soulja Boy, Bow Wow, Shawty Lo, Plies, etc... are more successful b/c mindless music is acceptable in 2008. I think it says a lot about NY that not too many of the wack ass rappers of today come from my state. Y'all better start appreciating Nas & Jigga more b/c when they do decide to stop rapping Hip-Hop the NY rapper will really start to look extinct.
December 10, 2008 2:09 PM
 

Above All said:

@ KAK Duece


"GTFOH, Diddy ain't puttin out NO hot sh*t. He's the Weird Al Yankovich of hip-hop wit all that bitin aka "remxin" he did. Jay-Z ran a coup after the [so-called] king died. And 50 wasn't sh*t before Dre. (West Coast) put him on. So f*ck you and your behind the scene BS. "


Im not talkin bout them as artists..Im talking bout them as moguls.....W-9 tax froms dont lie homey! HAHAHA

NY SPITS!!!!!........I hope all you muthafuckers stay hating when we back on top...dont switch it up!
December 10, 2008 2:17 PM
 

shelz said:

@kappagem...

i really dont see anything horrifically biased about this piece.  i didnt say there was anything wrong with any regions music. and im not a huge fan of regionalism either.  thats the point.  if folks simply listened to and purchased music based on quality not region, wouldnt the love be spread thinner?  i have no issue with the south. im just curious as to why you all think the NE isnt getting the attention that some feel they deserve.  and this is the editorial section so i am entitled to be biased.  i just wasnt biased today. :)
December 10, 2008 2:18 PM
 

DubP said:

@ Kappagem

Ok..Mr. Crimson and Creme. I was waiting for someone to mention Hi Hater. Ok...firstly, perhaps using the word "love" was too strong. I decided to download Maino's joints DESPITE Hi Hater. I HATE that song (and the term) and I was sooo pleasantly surprised when I heard his other joints. I understand that he basically had to drop a radio friendly song because this is a business. He had to throw out some fluff to reach the masses. Damn..what does that say about the consumers??  Anyway, who wants to be a real mofo in rap...broke...unknown and still in the hood? Cmon! Plus, I mentioned him b/c Shelby (editor) pointed him out. I just wanted to co-sign.

As far as generalizing...that's just reality. Black people love h20melon and whites can't dance. That doesnt mean ALL people in those groups fit into those categories. I stand by my comments that NY offers more diversity in the types of rappers than the South.

Nobody likes to be stereotyped or generalized, but it's all based on fact - no? I LOVEEEs me some h20melon!!!

That's just Dub's opinion, but I love a great debate and I enjoy a difference in opinion.
December 10, 2008 2:30 PM
 

Kappagem said:

On a sidenote...

I think what Kanye is doing with the vocoder is single-handedly ruining the sound in hip-hop right now.  In fact, I won't even call what he did with this 808's hip hop.  But I KNOW I'm biased with that statement...

I just hate that dayum sound Kanye...we expect more from you as an producer AND an artist...

But this article has a lot of squinted eye comments at the South...

COOOOLLLLDDDDD BLLLLLLOOOOODDDDEEEEDDDDDD!
December 10, 2008 2:31 PM
 

DubP said:

Oh..and there is wackness nationwide...of course. That goes without saying. you will NEVER hear me claim that all NY rappers are hot or ALL rappers from the South are weak. That would be ridiculous.
December 10, 2008 2:32 PM
 

K.A.K. DEUCE said:

@ Above All:

Never that. I got love for all regions of rap. But NY is the only region that has their nose in the air for no reason. That's why yall don't have the game no more, yall "thought" yall was too good. Like somebody said earlier, yall wasn't humble.

Another thing, I'm a West Coast man myself, but that has NEVER influenced ear. Some of my favorite rappers are from the East and the South.
December 10, 2008 2:32 PM
 

bknewstash said:

Hip Hop music was best when NY was on top.plain and simple.Quality of music has gone down in the 2000's.yea the southern artists got hit records but thaz about it.Aint been much classic southern albums released since the south "took over".NY 4 eva.We have the mcs.yall keep the ringtone rappers excluding outkast,t.i, wayne etc etc.
December 10, 2008 2:33 PM
 

cabeatty84 said:

@Kappagem

Why even mention that? Kanye even said it wasnt a Hip-Hop album. I would put Kanyes 3 hip-hop cds and they would be better than any, and I mean any other rappers best 3 cds and KANYE would win. He has done alot in hip hop so dont try to play him like that.
December 10, 2008 2:37 PM
 

forwords said:

No disrespect to the south but the reason NY is dead is because NY artists started dumbing down there music to reach bigger fanbases... No longer was it about phat rhymes it became materialistic and more of an image. Jay-z and puffy are especially guilty even your beloved biggy.  Whether it was there fault or not they probably didn't even know what they were doing but sometime in the 90s no longer was it about the love of rhyming or expression it started being all about the benjamins. To add to this hip hop production slowly evolved to these crunk synth/techno beats. When you listen to most old hip hop its just drums with maybe one or two piano or horn sounds in the background once in a while.  As the overproduced tracks started drowning out rappers rhymes combined with materialistic image hip hop no longer was about the true MC.  This was great for record execs because it started a recognizable forumla to build their new "hip hop" genre around and took real artists out of peoples ears and when that happens the record execs can control it.  Before like 1998 what constituted hip hop? It was everything blues soul funk jazz literally everything.  Now you can't get love on the radio if your not with the new crunk club songs, and i swear most of these kids wouldn't know good music if it punched them in the face because it all has to sound the same. I could make the chillest beat (think rakim: "when i'm flowin" just because i'm listening to it right now hahaha) and people would be like ehhhh this is aight. LIKE WTF not to mention old ass ny rappers won't pass the torch and actually cosign new guys.  But for the most part the south is on top because NY is a bunch of tight pants wearing followers and the rest of the world isn't with that hipster style.  Its cool to be a nerd but don't dress up like a nerd and then just be a regular nobody.  If your gonna dress like a nerd atleast know something about something other then pop culture. Its all just a cycle and NY will be ontop again you can bet on that.
December 10, 2008 2:40 PM
 

cabeatty84 said:

@DubP

Why must an artist drop a radio friendly song that sounds sooo much different then their other songs to get on?
Lupe didnt do that to get on. "Kick Push" was like the 8th best song on the CD lol. B.O.B not sacrificing his artistic ability to come up with some bullshit to get on. He been doing him and got signed and still got heat.
Admit it "Hi Hater" is Maino and outside of NY thats all he will be known for.
December 10, 2008 2:42 PM
 

amBIGuous1 said:

blah blah blah who cares...

Of course they're not becoming extinct, and they never will.  

AHH has their head so far up the Mainstream's as$ that the underground gets no love on this site cept for the reason, and that is pretty lame as well.  

I mean of all the rappers you got in NYC you throw up Maino?  All them chumps blow Saigon, Mims or Maino, all of them...none of them can make an album.  So while they may ahve some hot versus from time to time...they'll never take the torch b/c they cant create a full album.

But ya'll never give love to EL-P, Aesop Rock, Ill Bill, Immortal Technique (raised in NY), Pharoh Monch, Jean Grae, Sean Price Kweli...maybe give a gues piece here or there but these should be the people you should be looking at to carry you're NY torch

December 10, 2008 2:45 PM
 

shelz said:

@everybody....

dangit.  no issue with the south.  someone mentioned the "formula" that labels use when something gets hot.  i agree with that but why is it that certain areas are allowed free reign with the "formula" and others are chastised for it?  i think yall are reading a bit more into my words than i intended.  

like... one group puts out a song about laffy taffy.  all of the sudden you have songs about blow pops, mike & ikes, now & latas, damn.... sweet tarts. everybody does that.  i know, but why is it more acceptable when anyone outside of new york does it.  im not trying to polarize or create the downfall of hip hop civilization as we know it.  what has new york done to make people stop buying their new artists music?

the honorable suggested stagnation.  but we see stagnation everywhere right now.  is it just "the cycle?" is that it?
December 10, 2008 2:50 PM
 

DubP said:

@ bknewstash - I agree. NY has many classic albums...the South just doesn't compare at this point.

@ambiguous1 ...I think people do give props to alot of those artists you named...at least I do (except S.Price --lackluster at best), but realistically they are not the ones who will carry the NY torch.

And big up to the underground cats, but they're called "underground" for a reason. That's not every rapper's aspiration.

Big up to the rappers who are considered mainstream or crossed over without selling their souls.  

I just love good music.

-DubP

December 10, 2008 3:00 PM
 

ChronoRah said:

Ha Are you serious man NYC Reppin We still in there man We started this shit ma Even Pac was Originally born in NYc i see it as us lettin the Other Cost  get there shyne on for a lil bit b4 we come back and jus dominate the Sceen like always
December 10, 2008 3:06 PM
 

Killuminati 187 said:

The Eastcoast is NOT dead, that's proposterous

The South did NOT kill Hip Hop, that's proposterous

The Westcoast is NOT dead, that's proposterous

KILL ALL STUPID ALLEGATIONS.  RESPECT ALL SIDES.  Hip Hop lives, true story.
December 10, 2008 3:13 PM
 

DubP said:

@cabeatty84 ...

You asked:Why must an artist drop a radio friendly song that sounds sooo much different then their other songs to get on?

Ok...Lupe and Maino have two completely different lyrical content. Lupe doesn't have to put out fluff because his music is not the street ish that radio may be afraid to play ...or that station owners might shy away from. Why would he have to soften up something that's already "soft"...I mean that in a good way.

What song really blasted 50 into mainstream?? In the Club, no -(wankster and 20 questions got ppls attn too)? Why? Same reason.

I hate to use 50 as an example, b/c I think he's a one trick pony, but that's the one that comes to mind.

This is a business people! When it was "hot" to be really gangsta...rappers were told to be hard. Wyclef touches on this on the Carnival CD. I also have a friend in the industry who told me that he was urged to be harder...more drug talk...more gun talk. He refused. His second album never saw the light of day. Any relation? Hmmm...

When dance and party joints were hot, rappers were told to make club joints.

It is what it is people. It's a business run by corporate folks who are looking at the bottom line...and what's selling NOW!

Maino may have had to compromise himself just a bit in order to be heard. I dunno. Again, I HATE the song, but he did what he had to do. I'm not mad at all! My ex put me on to some background info on Maino and it made me want to listen to his other joints. A true fan of music will go past radio songs. At least that's my steez.

The important thing is to support the artists you like - known and unknown, whether you're a rapper too or fan.

People gotta eat!
December 10, 2008 3:16 PM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

bknewstash said:
the GOATS come from NYC.
^^^^^
Who Cares? That's just like white people saying "The first 43 Presidents where white". How idiotic is that?

The issue with the whole NYC stand up (Dare I say) movement is this. Whenever someone like BUSS, KISS, or JOE go outside of ny and link up with others yall hate. When they stay yall still via lack of support. The big homie William Shakespeare said it best ABOVE ALL (yes that includes ny or where ever you may be from) TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE. Then and only then will succes follow as the night follows the day. But then again......I guess if you can't get this cake then you might as well hate.

December 10, 2008 3:22 PM
 

Freddie Kincaid said:

I thought this article would open eyes and minds. it seems we still have the same mentality. I am reading comments from some  with the same dumb mentality that is causing this racket. it doesn't matter where you are from. cats like shellz commented that he knows plenty of NY emcees that are better than southern encees. why can't great emcees be from anywhere. this simple minded talk is what keeps us at this stagnated point. every other region has embraced hip hop as a universal phenomenon. when will NY join the world.
December 10, 2008 3:24 PM
 

BIG GUSTER said:

Everyone got to realize that the youngins is the ones that buy music now. While we hip hop heads argue over the New York shit which I do like more and I'm from the south. I got kids in junior high and their favorite rapper is Wayne. The youngins run the record sales. My favorite rapper is jay but i aint going to the store to cop that joint no more. I'm waiting on the homie down the street to bring it. They dont know quality like we do hell they want to snap their finges and beleive these fake rappers hell they dont know any better. Let them have their fun.
December 10, 2008 3:27 PM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

BIG GUSTER
^^^^^^
Dig this though kin folk. How can you blame it on the youth when they support what they like or what they are into? You like your music but obviously you don't like it (TRUE HIP HOP that is) enough to support it. At the end of the day dudes on here sound worst then old folk when they claim that music in there day was "real music" Whatever that is. Let's not get it twisted my favorite 2 artist in the world are 1. Sade/Tupac
December 10, 2008 3:37 PM
 

shelz said:

lookie here freddie...

thats the point.  if we want to embrace eveyone, why dont we.  some folks get embraced.  some folks dont.  if everybody agreed with you, this wouldnt be happening.  the question is why?

and i agree the underground is doing some great stuff ... EVERYWHERE. so why doesnt EVERYWHERE get the shine?

and shelz is the person who wrote the article.
December 10, 2008 3:40 PM
 

CientifiQ said:

NY never left and never will. Just like Cali never left and never will. Just like the South never left and never will. It dont matter where the hell you from. I am NY born and been in the south for about 13 years now. It took some getting used to when I first moved here. Back then the only thing I heard out of the South was Ball and G, UGK, Ghetto Boys, 3-6 Mafia. But that was because I dug a little deeper into music and found those artists.

The big thing is that since the South take over of the "radio" everyone has been trying to emulate that sound. NY needs to go back to who they started working with. Stop having 50 producers on one album. Why does nobody want to fuck with DJ Premier or Buckwild or Ayatollah or Diamond D or any of the producers that crafted that sound. Fat Joe stay screaming DITC but his records dont have any DITC members on them nor does he use production from DITC.

I have learned that when you stick to the script more artists respect you. Soon as you try to go with the flow is when you loose your fans. Take for instance Commons latest cd Universal Mind Control...If you listen to that album it is not a bad album at all. Common hasnt tried to go with the flow and do what everyone else is doing. He is still doing Common and if you cant see that with the latest effort then you were never truely a Common fan.

DJ's are the backbone of Hip-Hop no matter what anyone thinks. You can be the dopest in the world but if that DJ wont spin you then you have to work that much harder to make your mark. These DJ's are a big part of the reason why Hip-Hop is the way it is. Its not dead, its doesnt have AIDS......Hip-Hop has a cold that it cant get rid of.

There are a gang of good artists out there. But expecting the radio to put you on to those artists is not the way to hear about them. The radio only plays fun music unless you listen to XM/Serius then you wont hear that new music that your yearning for.

Nobody is to blame but the powerhouse that we call radio and TV. As soon as they shyed away from playing good music videos and good music thats when the decline started.

Nobody buys music anymore. Nobody supports those artists that first gave you the love for this type music and if Shawtly Lo or Plies is why you started loving music then you are probably dumb young or you need to do your homework because those two people are perfect examples of what Hip-Hop is not but what it has turned into.

Its one big party with music right now. When in all actuallity nobody has the money to party, and buy Bentleys and LV scarfs and all that. People are loosing homes, cars, lifes, family's and everything else under the son. Of course they dont want to hear one of these new songs like Stanky Leg. They want to hear music that talks about what they are going through at this point in they lives. Thats what music has always been about. Something to give you a outlet to tell people your story. Your hardships, and the times that you do have fun. But not every song can be fun.

Maino cant carry brooklyn on his back much less any other of the boroughs. To me he took the easy road with that Hi Hater shit. People are so scared to be different. You go on myspace (well I do) and I check out people production.....80% sounds the same. Check out peoples songs....80% sounds the same. That leaves about 20% maybe less of the people claim to rap or produce that actually do bring something new to the game.

The problem is Diversity. How do you expect your favorite MC to put out music if he cant even do what he does on the track because he knows nobody is going to buy it or he feels like he has to go against what he is and what he stands for just to make money. The first time you make this about money your music goes on the decline. Your money and your art should never be one of the same if you know what I mean.

Just think AZ- Rather Unique and be that...Be unique. Thats why there is so many one hit wonders. Niggas dont want to hear the same shit over and over. This age in music will also die. I just dont think I am ready for what the new Hip-Hop will sound like since what some people call Hip-Hop right now is just "pop"ular music. Just because everyone likes it and they play it in the clubs doesnt make it Hip-Hop.
December 10, 2008 3:50 PM
 

cabeatty84 said:

DubP>>

I agree with some of your points but you lost me with the Maino thing. Since when was Maino's music too hard to be played on the radio. And Lupe has street music, its not fluff. Maybe he has the vocabulary to make it seem less threatening. But you can listen to what he says on "Hustlers and Customers". Plenty of street music is played on the radio. Maybe its NY radio that wont play it. Im in Baltimore and we hear it,shit they played some Hell Rell stuff here and he "The Hardest Out" lmao. Im from VA and we hear the Clipse ( and Maino dont come harder than them). Its just a case of him trying to do something different. Im not knocking him for that, but he doesnt have anything special or any kind of skills to get out of that congested city. FUCK that lol i am knocking him. He did that and still didnt get on. But like i said NY on some shit that they have too many artist and not enough fans. NY needs a colon cleanse.
December 10, 2008 3:59 PM
 

Extra said:

December 10, 2008 4:02 PM
 

Cresent City Connektor said:

@Above All

Say man!!! Hip hop doesn't reside in the streets!!! It resides in ya heart. Saying it resides in the streets is too generalizing. Any purist would know it came from the streets of the Boogie Down back in the day, but it was the love and the "heart" of many that made it what it has evolved to. Regardless of what state of affair we think its in.

The question is: What lies in the heart of men/women who fuel, channel, and guide this thing called hip hop???

Is it the for essence?

Is it for the money or aspirations of acheiving fame and all that yadda yadda yadda?

Is it simpling a way of giving back or tapping into your own being...creating an outlet for self and other alike??

Heart is missing from this ish, yo. That's why the majority of the music sucks today IMHO

But acts like Little Brother, The Roots, Nas, Ghostface, Elzhi , 'Face, and a few other purist i dig and give off some ray of hope!!!


NYC aint going nowhere, but it needs a retooling bad, as far as the acts coming out of there. Hell, that can be applied to all cities producing hip hop acts...fa sho!
December 10, 2008 4:09 PM
 

nyga07 said:

@cabeatty84
i dont think he meant that ny ios running the south but that the major players ,owners ,ceos are all ny based ppl
like the dude shaka zulu and many of the other big names that are responsible for many of teh big acts like luda
and the whole def jam roster etc etc

nut it has alot to do with what one south dude then the west coast kid said needing to be humbled and im from ny living in atl

and really the music now is bullshit ot taking away from true artist like t.i and weezy ,yeha niggas weezy might not say the best and might be a lil off but an artist he is but teh basci music played on the radio is bullshit

for 2 teh ny artist that are out nwo have no character i hate saying swagger thats for a chic to decide to me but yeah no real story or something you can relate too just a bunch of words and hot flow
likw joel ortiz crazy and a great mc but couldnt entertain his own dick in his hand
same with pap probably one of the sickest with the words but delivery and whole appeal is weak

back in the day  you had diddy,mase,big ,jay them niggas had the shit you could see already just that certain ray of light
now all these ma fuckers are boring and spit 100 bars without changing a facial expression noy goig to cut it

and for one get off the south shit let the niggas shine im sorry but with out t pain and plies i dont have any body making a hot chic track for me to ride out with a chic with and i cant keep bringing my old jay z's outta the wrapper just to get that

and the trading your soul shit is weak too all artist have done something just to push a record all of them ,nas ,common ,lupe ,jay ,weezy ,t.i,game ,50,nelly im just trying to make you see its not a coast thing

and say blaming big,puff and jay for dumbing down the music which made ny fall off is crazy too,the formula they used is what you calling record sales and is what the lables want today someone who can do it all not all these fake ass top 5 mcs who can either just battle ,just got bars no you need it all this is music all music all kinds have great all aroudn artist so whay do we treat rap like the you have ot be gangster or just this and that its stupid really and thats whay at the top of any top 5 you have to put big and pac if you like it or not bcuz they could do it all and have everyone form bill gates to ya momma talking about it or liking it and the rest just dont cut it, so look for t.i to be put in a top list near you bcuz he is as close as i see at this time ot the full package him and weezy the only 2
yeha i like game even tho him and 50 go at it and im a 50 fan but he just dont have maybe one of the needed tools but he is close i would evenn say closer to an all around than 50 but 50 is or if you want to  say was, so good at just making a song i would say he is better and might be in the top some kind of list as an artist who just know how to make a track like a luda

third another reason and we can say its not real is just backlash from people who just see ny as an arrogant state with nasty acting ma fuckers in it point blank period
you can read thru these comments and see for urself im not lying
ny ppl are like that alot of them and alot just think they are the shit and everybody got tired of it same reason kanye beat out 50 not saying he didnt have better material but 50 is a bigger artist than kanye was especially then ,might be changing now but its the truth, i think ye albums before were better than the last to me and the big show down gave him the buzz but now but he did back it up the success that is so it is what it is ..but back to what i was saying its just the backlash and ma fuckers just got proud of they own shit and supporting it unlike ny with there artist ,basically a big slice of humble pie was served and needed to be

another reason you have a state with about 10 million ma fuckers crammed in it
and the way ny is all teh bitter ,broke, less fortunate ppl are packed in like wolves in 20 story buildings with abot 200 apartments adn its 5 buildings liek that on bothe sides of the street and they all hate eachother and fight and kill ma fuckers on teh next block down and ppl who moms done raised you and shit ,the state is just ugly minded and it falls over to the artist
they all get at eachother ,unlike osuth states like ga rich live next to the poor ,all spread out and everyone is more friendly now dont trip ga got spost where you shoudl not go if not know like any state i dont give a fuck who you are or know but teh cities and ppl reflect the state and everybody is more willing to hep ouut
bcuz i mean really a jay z feat fab
banks,buddens and fab
jay feat 50 and puff
dip set feat dblock
imagine a jada ft santana and banks
or a 50 ft jones ,cam,and jay
i mean they have the means to run rap for 10 yrs with the same mafuckers who been around for 10 yrs
imagine ll ft santana and jay z
or santana ft fab i mean really imagine clue still dropping those mixtapes like he used to and dj khaleed has stolen the formula well not stolen just smart fuck it
but them clues with x and jay on tracks
the lox and beans like really if niggas just gto smart andshred the love i dont knpw many or any fuck that state that can get as much attention as any of the established artist i just named ft the biggets name in rap jay z and he get b to do the hook really
NY get off the bullshit adn we can take the game and do something smart with it and share the bitch worldwide
like really when black pll gone see the shit and sorry not just black but ppl who relate to the stuggle or urban style of life all moving in the same wave where oprah wil have a rapper on the show and we can be on tavis smiley or obama can get one of the rappers to do a show for him and not get slack from it and get off the we cant shit and fighting eachother i knwo the shit wont happen but boy the shit that could be gained
we fight back with complaints hate and finger pointing while all the other walks of life get it together forom cops to farmers lawyers and bankers and we sit around hating everyone and everything not exactly like us or see eye to eye like we got ny niggas fighting south niggas we all talking about how they sale more drugs here and there and we kill more over here ,like they made the east and west hate eachother just sad
i got niggas from cali ,ga ,stl,chi all over real niggas all over cuzo everywhere we can all relate
we all got crack heads in the fam alot of no dad young men but we all fighting all day err day over my state got the better music etc etc etc i mean a lil dabate and pride is greta and cool but to this level?? i mena they knwo we feed off teh shit look at hwo ahh been doing teh headlines
the top 5 thing yesterday was like got alot of slack form southern ppl saying they wanted to pick a top 5 and too much east representation i mean wtf really and look at the comments from that day fuck ur ny ass list ,down south niggas slow etc
then this artcile the death of nyc rap i mean the shit is far from dead might not be number 1 but dead then direct comparison to the south andleaving the west out just bcuz there not in the beef buzz at the time all this shit just play on our dumbed down feelings to eachother in every article
tpain and ny tpain ron brwon beef .same dumb shit
did 50 diss the masion dixon ? just the same shit they building waiting for it to spark when we all should be fucking with eachother really ,but being misguided into thinking i have ot stand strong for my state and go at others ,,no they lock ur ass up in both states and wriet you off once you go shoot that nigga just bcuz he from ga or ny

im sounding like  im preaching lol i even can be on the dumb shit myself but like times like this just reading and i was going to come in all on a ny defrnse mode but was liek you knwo what i got some better shit to say
if u read it think about it
and im out
December 10, 2008 4:10 PM
 

Flwlssdarapchic said:

NY will be back on top when NY DJ's start playing good music & stop playing wack music for money. I can take my music to any other state and the DJ will play it... No questions asked. In NY, you gotta go thru hoops to get a DJ to spin your shit.

NY will be back on top when the producer stops being more important than the artist. Nowadays, you could have the hottest joint but if a famous producer ain't make it... no one will co-sign it.

NY will be back on top when promoters stop using showcases as a means to pay their rent and start taking real artists seriously. Promoters make big promises to get that money but after the show, artists leave the same way they came in. It's not even about the music.

NY will be back on top when we accept that every new NY artist will not be like an old NY artist. We need to respect each artist as an individual and rate them on their own music... not against someone elses. I see it all the time.

NY will be back on top when folks learn that there will be no artists period without fans. If NY'ers don't start supporting each other our artists will never be back on top.

NY will be back on top when folks stop loving you on the come up but hating you when you make it. That's hypocrisy. When 50 first came out everybody was on his dick. Everything was about Curtis. Now, all his so called fans be up here hating on him looking for him to fail. What type of shit is that?  The south don't do that. The West don't do it. They support their artists to the end- Even if they know their artists shit is wack, because it makes their whole coast look good when their artists wins.

NY lets get back to the love of the music, art, & creativity of our Rappers. We are all hip-hop. The same way we made it is the same way we can destroy it.
Prime example:  Fuck you "don't like a song" by Maino. Maino is from NYC & he done made it to the mainstream. We should be biggin that dude up. Fuck that. How many folks out here grindin for that spotlight? How many folks wish they was Maino. Even if you ain't a fan, we should still be showing him love cuz he represents NYC man and he done came up.



December 10, 2008 4:12 PM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

CientifiQ

if Shawtly Lo or Plies is why you started loving music then you are probably dumb young or you need to do your homework because those two people are perfect examples of what Hip-Hop is not but what it has turned into.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dig this holmes. Why can't you/we just big up our point w/o taking a jab at someone else. How are you going to make a statement like that when folk on BankHead adn folk in Lil' Pakistan aka Fort Myers love them two dudes? I was just on Bankhead aka Donald Lee Hollowell Parkway yesterday when I seen a dude bailing up and down the street in an orange lambo. I didn't hate, I just look at all the jugs walking up and down bankhead and smiled and thought about these "ring tone" rappers......like it's good to see that it ain't ALL bad in the hood.
December 10, 2008 4:12 PM
 

Flwlssdarapchic said:

NY will be back on top when NY DJ's start playing good music & stop playing wack music for money. I can take my music to any other state and the DJ will play it... No questions asked. In NY, you gotta go thru hoops to get a DJ to spin your shit.

NY will be back on top when the producer stops being more important than the artist. Nowadays, you could have the hottest joint but if a famous producer ain't make it... no one will co-sign it.

NY will be back on top when promoters stop using showcases as a means to pay their rent and start taking real artists seriously. Promoters make big promises to get that money but after the show, artists leave the same way they came in. It's not even about the music.

NY will be back on top when we accept that every new NY artist will not be like an old NY artist. We need to respect each artist as an individual and rate them on their own music... not against someone elses. I see it all the time.

NY will be back on top when folks learn that there will be no artists period without fans. If NY'ers don't start supporting each other our artists will never be back on top.

NY will be back on top when folks stop loving you on the come up but hating you when you make it. That's hypocrisy. When 50 first came out everybody was on his dick. Everything was about Curtis. Now, all his so called fans be up here hating on him looking for him to fail. What type of shit is that?  The south don't do that. The West don't do it. They support their artists to the end- Even if they know their artists shit is wack, because it makes their whole coast look good when their artists wins.

NY lets get back to the love of the music, art, & creativity of our Rappers. We are all hip-hop. The same way we made it is the same way we can destroy it.
Prime example:  Fuck you "don't like a song" by Maino. Maino is from NYC & he done made it to the mainstream. We should be biggin that dude up. Fuck that. How many folks out here grindin for that spotlight? How many folks wish they was Maino. Even if you ain't a fan, we should still be showing him love cuz he represents NYC man and he done came up.



December 10, 2008 4:12 PM
 

Flwlssdarapchic said:

NY will be back on top when NY DJ's start playing good music & stop playing wack music for money. I can take my music to any other state and the DJ will play it... No questions asked. In NY, you gotta go thru hoops to get a DJ to spin your shit.

NY will be back on top when the producer stops being more important than the artist. Nowadays, you could have the hottest joint but if a famous producer ain't make it... no one will co-sign it.

NY will be back on top when promoters stop using showcases as a means to pay their rent and start taking real artists seriously. Promoters make big promises to get that money but after the show, artists leave the same way they came in. It's not even about the music.

NY will be back on top when we accept that every new NY artist will not be like an old NY artist. We need to respect each artist as an individual and rate them on their own music... not against someone elses. I see it all the time.

NY will be back on top when folks learn that there will be no artists period without fans. If NY'ers don't start supporting each other our artists will never be back on top.

NY will be back on top when folks stop loving you on the come up but hating you when you make it. That's hypocrisy. When 50 first came out everybody was on his dick. Everything was about Curtis. Now, all his so called fans be up here hating on him looking for him to fail. What type of shit is that?  The south don't do that. The West don't do it. They support their artists to the end- Even if they know their artists shit is wack, because it makes their whole coast look good when their artists wins.

NY lets get back to the love of the music, art, & creativity of our Rappers. We are all hip-hop. The same way we made it is the same way we can destroy it.
Prime example:  Fuck you "don't like a song" by Maino. Maino is from NYC & he done made it to the mainstream. We should be biggin that dude up. Fuck that. How many folks out here grindin for that spotlight? How many folks wish they was Maino. Even if you ain't a fan, we should still be showing him love cuz he represents NYC man and he done came up.



December 10, 2008 4:13 PM
 

CientifiQ said:

@ ShaloMaktub

I feel you my man. Maybe I shouldnt have taken jabs at those two people but to me they dont make music. They make bullshit. Now if you want your ring tone songs then great! They got em for you. But music isnt about ring tones and I hear too many people claim that these cats are what music is and its not. Music aint about balling and orange lambo's. OR eating pussy and all that shit Plies be talking about. I hate on no man. I respect them brothers for making money in an honest way because in all acuallity they could be skee-masked up and putting the burner to someones head taking they funds.

The only point I wanted to make was to show that those two people are not what Hip-Hop is about. Not to downplay what they do. They have fans......They have loyal supporters but music shouldnt be all about what they talk about. More props to Plies I have heard him go in but Lo just sucks. That again is just my opinion. MY music aint that dope and people may say I suck too but I respect everyones opinion.

I wasnt trying to blast them just school ignorant people......
December 10, 2008 4:22 PM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

@ CientifiQ

Much respect holmes but now I want you to really keep it 100 with me. What was BIGs core subject topics that he talked about?
December 10, 2008 4:26 PM
 

cabeatty84 said:

nyga07>>

Well that makes no sense. HE was trying to say that NY was running hip hop because these label heads are in NY. That has NOTHING to do with NY hip hop. The label heads are old white guys anyway. What im saying is the south was building a grassroots movement and the labels had to go down south to get at them, same thing with the westcoast. Point in fact, an artist in the south or on the westcoast, particularly in the bay can be independent and sell hundred thousand copies. Cant do that in NY. So they make songs that compromise who they are and try to compete to be the hardest to get signed. Southern artist and Westcoast artist dont have to do that to get on. The labels need them to survive in the hip hop game.

I just want to see NY behind quality people. New York has a lyrical champ in JOELL ORTIZ. Point blank he is a beast.  But it seems like he gets no love in NY. SMH.
December 10, 2008 4:30 PM
 

DubP said:

@cabeatty84 -- you put Lupe and Maino is the same street category? I certainly don't. It could be that I haven't heard enough of Lupe's ish and you haven't heard enough of Maino's. I dunno, but their expression and content is definitely different ...to me. Their lives prior to music is also different, which influences their content, Im sure.

Again, the only reason I mentioned Maino is b/c the editor used him as an example. There are a gang of folks better than dude -- we all know that.

It's less about the radio stations and more about artist's management. However, if the fact that artists may be encouraged to release music that is in line with whatever is considered "mainstream" friendly - at the time- is foreign to you, then you might not have examined the business side of music.
It's not a game.

I think you misunderstood a couple of my points, but ...that's cool.

Oh...and the answer the editor's original question...NO...NY rap is not "becoming extinct". However, they are really close to being on the endangered species list.

Yes, NY will be back on top. Life is cyclical.

Damn...I have freakin work to do y'all!!!!

Keep supporting....1
December 10, 2008 4:33 PM
 

CientifiQ said:

@ ShaloMaktub

Awww you backed me in the corner money. HAHA! Nah but his core topic was money if you ask me. Balling and what not but they difference between BIG and the two I mentioned is the way he put it. They way he conveyed what he was saying. He made you vision exactly what he was saying. Those two dont really have any skill. How much skill do you need to say I get money, I get hoes, I got cars and flip bricks and what not you know. And thats exactly how they come across to me. Simple. I can do that, oil myself up and put some fronts in but that dont make me an MC.

I dont hate what they do. I just hate that everyone bites off of it. They bit off another man if you ask me. Lo sound like Jeezy. And I like Jeezy. But I dont need two of them. Plies just gets too foolish with it. I have heard him say shit that sounds dope but 80% of the time I am let down.

I give all artists the benefit of the doubt and I DJ so I have they music. But they may get ONE spin a night from me.
December 10, 2008 4:40 PM
 

NewWest-310 said:

I didnt read ONE comment and dont want to get into any other peoples' arguments, but let me say this: Whether or not you agree w/ the article, whether you felt insulted by it or not, I think that this writer, Shelby Powell, is great at painting the picture that she's (?) trying to create. She does well w/ analogies and can articulate her view better than any other writer ive seen on here in a WHILE. This is only the second article I've read by her but I knew right away that it was Shelby.

So this comment goes out to AllHipHop: Please have Shelby write more of your articles so that we dont have to sift thru mispellings, wrong comparisons, and an overall lack of intelligence that is sometimes displayed here.

Much Love
December 10, 2008 4:41 PM
 

LJBronxPhillyRep said:

Honestly as a native New Yorker born and raised here, the city's climate has changed, a lot of people living here aren't even from NY, so it's tough for artists to get support in NY. Plus the radio takes pay from South artists to get their shit played up here, a lot of NY cats don't have that financial backing to pay these stations. Also we have a lot of WACK ASS rappers that seems to be stars, like Jim Jones....but dudes like Cory Gunz, Joell Ortiz get put on the back burner. Face it, Hip Hop is now watered down, a lot of people don't know what real MC'in is and they don't really pay attention to lyrics, most people listen to the beat or look for a dance. That's what this new generation is about. I want New York artists to sit back and not make shit, let these idiots handle the game since thats whats poppin and watch what happens to Hip Hop........Hip Hop is on serious life support....and without New York artists, it will die no matter what NY artists are just as relevant as Southern and West coast. That's how ppl come up with ideas.
December 10, 2008 4:44 PM
 

nyga07 said:

@cabeatty
i feel you cuzo and great poinst made and i do feel on the ortiz thing but only thiong i say with him is create an image or personality whicj i think of all he has due tp his half spanish half black roots you may be 100 percent correct in the fatc that someone needs to get behind him and sad really no one has tried
December 10, 2008 4:45 PM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

@ CientifiQ

Respect for keeping it 100. You do have a point with the delivery aspect of it. But then again they are talking to different folk in a different time. IDK how eloquent BIG spit the fact remains that the core TOPICS that BIG spit on are the "so-called" topics that folk are claiming that is killing hip hop today. Example......Jeezy come out with the "Snow Man" which I don't support and it's killing hip hop. But BIG comes out with 10 crack commandments (which is truly disrespectful to the Word Of The Most High) and all of a sudden it is TRUE HIP HOP? How does that happen?
December 10, 2008 4:55 PM
 

nyga07 said:

@shalomaktub
i didnt really get a chance ot read what you said just the response to it about the big and i assume commercial rap or so
i feel you on that he had alot of money and flashy topics but big shit was like a love for music more and he was on teh party tip
and tho he talked about it alot he always put it in a way you could relate to ,black and uygly as ever ,ashy to classy he was just under that puff umbrella and was sticking to his formula but his shit was still more music compared  floss to me ,i think the floss was just the medicine to fuel it
one more chane -flashy but a party banger and a hit with the ladies
who shit ya -mc skills
juicy-everyday struggle
hypnotize lol ok u got me just flashy
but then you would have to say pac killed the west with gangster shit then jeezy is going to kill the south with gangster shit and ross gone kill it right behind hinm bcuz if you dont see he wants to be like a biggie shit he say it alot then they gone kill it too?/
nah its the wack ma fuckers who do shit bcuz of lack of talent ot try and copy the success of those who did it right are to blame all by themselves
it would be like saying kool g rap killed rap for being lyrical and common for being positive if you feel me?
apologize if i stepped in if i shouldnt have but biggie is my fave mc and i know he flashy but if you can find an mc and want to match up them up with him im a always have a say lol
December 10, 2008 5:00 PM
 

Killuminati 187 said:

I REPEAT..

The Eastcoast is NOT dead, that's proposterous

The South did NOT kill Hip Hop, that's proposterous

The Westcoast is NOT dead, that's proposterous

KILL ALL STUPID ALLEGATIONS.  RESPECT ALL SIDES.  Hip Hop lives, true story.
December 10, 2008 5:03 PM
 

SLimKreepA said:

I signed up for AHH.com just cause I've always wanted to express my opinion on this subject.  
First and foremost it is very true that NY started it all as far I know but during the 90's when it was all NY all the time yall cats wouldn't fuck wit anyone or give respect to anyone unless they was from the east.  So now the tables have turned and some cats is upset about it.  It's a waste of time to worry about being the KING of NY anymore because the game has gone Global.  Thanks to Hip Hop as a whole.  All that time when the media was on that East vs West bullshit I was bumbing BIG and Pac.  I'm from the Mid-west and I grew up listening to everything except alot of NY cats just cause yall wasn't showing love to the rest of our community and everything that came from over there is not golden but ofcousre there are some gems.  I just recently went back and really listened to the Wu, Big L, Pun and a whole bunch of otha cats. (I have always been a big LOX fan tho')  Stop being upset that NY isn't really in the public eye as much cuz in the words of the recently incarcerated DMX..."Yall been eating long enuff dog, Stop being greedy!"     Ak-Rite representa  much luv to NY, keep grinding!
December 10, 2008 5:07 PM
 

SEA-CITY said:

There's no creativity in the South for the most part. The game needs NYC and The West Coast to promote more creativity and different sounds. Everyone is sick of the same beat & concepts the South keeps feeding the mainstream.
December 10, 2008 5:13 PM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

@ nyga07

Naw ur good kin folk and I respect ur post so err'ting's crisp. Pac is my Fav of all time and I'm from the bottom, but my thing is this......Call red red and call blue blue. U can't tell me that this is killing hip hop when I can point at the samething in your back yard ya dig? Wu-Tang was teaching folk how to cook crack in the microwave.....but that's hip hop? I was in the armed forces and my best friend in there was this spanish cat from flatbush brooklyn name Jose Alers and My folk from Maryland Will Brown. I learned this, we talk different and our handle the yard different but at the core we were the same. That is how we were able to stay clicked up in the mist of war (911). Party rap been around and so have gangster rap, I just hate when folk try to act like its this that is killing hip hop when it's a lack of balance that is the true cancer. I blame NY for not being in the front why? B/c if NY supported NY then NY would 4ever go PLAT. It's simply too many of you "true" hip hop heads up there for your artist to be going Double Plastic. And with that I'm in the wind kinfolk. Keep it pimping with pimping until the next time.

Peace It Is Written
December 10, 2008 5:14 PM
 

SEVERE SWAGGA said:

THERES PLENTY OF HOT ARTIST IN N.Y . ITS JUSS DAT THESE LABELS AINT ON THERE JOB ALL THESE FAKE A&R S AND ALL DA PAYOLA AND POLITICS HAVE FUCKED SHIT UP IN HIP HOP PERIOD...PLUS THIS DAY AND TYME PEOPLE OR MORE SOFT THERE SHOOK OF ALL DAT STREET MUZIC THEY RATHER HEAR SUM WIERD SHIT....MOST THESE RAPPERS NOWDAYZ DRESS LIKE MARTY MCFLY FROM BACK 2 DA FUTURE.....SO VERY SOON THEY GONNA START DRESSING LIKE PRINCE................................... BUT WIT DAT SAID THERE IZ TALENT ON ALL COAST NICCAS JUSS AINT LOOKIN 4 IT I GUESS..PLUS ALL DA OL RAPPERS AINT PUTTING OUT HOT NEW CATZ..
December 10, 2008 5:22 PM
 

MRGODBYROAD said:

NEW YORKS OWN WORST ENEMY IS...................NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 10, 2008 5:23 PM
 

SEVERE SWAGGA said:

THERES PLENTY OF HOT ARTIST IN N.Y . ITS JUSS DAT THESE LABELS AINT ON THERE JOB ALL THESE FAKE A&R S AND ALL DA PAYOLA AND POLITICS HAVE FUCKED SHIT UP IN HIP HOP PERIOD...PLUS THIS DAY AND TYME PEOPLE OR MORE SOFT THERE SHOOK OF ALL DAT STREET MUZIC THEY RATHER HEAR SUM WIERD SHIT....MOST THESE RAPPERS NOWDAYZ DRESS LIKE MARTY MCFLY FROM BACK 2 DA FUTURE.....SO VERY SOON THEY GONNA START DRESSING LIKE PRINCE................................... BUT WIT DAT SAID THERE IZ TALENT ON ALL COAST NICCAS JUSS AINT LOOKIN 4 IT I GUESS..PLUS ALL DA OL RAPPERS AINT PUTTING OUT HOT NEW CATZ..
December 10, 2008 5:23 PM
 

nyga07 said:

@shalomaktub
thats wassup cuzo pac was my 1st and 2nd fave it goes up and down depends as a mc i like big as a person and for feeling i loved pac
but yeah i feel you on that it kills me i posted at the top on the same shit
ppl just need to know ist music they making us make this a east vs south just like the east west shit
no one is killing shit just like nas used to do the gangsta rap shit then switched up and i got love for hom but i dont liek the oh i did it and grew but ur fucked up fro doing it shit like dog we all have to live ours and grow at our pace all that knocking and finger pointing is what is killing hip hop not any one thing or topic
shit dougie fresh been partying
ll was like plies as in chic songs
big daddy kane was flashy
and kool g rap been spitting that g shit and they were not to blame fo rshit?/
same like u said with the wu
rae and ghost crack crack lexus hoes crakc crack but they are considered great ?they were running around jumping ma fucca's and all that other negative shit before they became wiser men ,no one is killing hip hop
unite support and do you and hip hop will still be fine like always
December 10, 2008 5:32 PM
 

CientifiQ said:

@ ShaloMaktub

I feel you and I am not saying the topics are killing Hip-Hop. Just the lameness of these cats lyrics, delivery and then they stay stuck on one topic because that is what got them that shine. BIG on the other hand touched on many topics and and did it a type of flow that would allow you to walk with him. Most of these new cats are production artists which means if they have good production then they get famous. Or they get that shine for the time which is bullshit because the producer made that song what it was.

I really didnt have a problem with the Ten Crack Commandments because I am not a religious person. The farthest I take it is beleiving in god. So that never got to me. But the way he put it and how he put it (10 Crack Commandments) was very original. Thats what I liked about. The Snowman was what it was. I am a grown man that really never lived that life so I cant speak on it. All i do is smoke trees and make music and thats been my whole life so I cant really touch on moving packs of this and that. Damn sure aint rocking no snowman on my T-Shirt. HAHA!

I totally understand you but I dont think its the topics that are putting Hip-Hop where it is. Its just the biting off of everyone else and everyone wanting to use this producer pr this one just because they did a hot track for MC Bubblicious Fish Eyes now they want that same track.

I am a producer first and a MC second and I respect both sides of the game so when I hear some of the shit that these people say over the tracks that they say it to it kills me to think that these people got that backing but the people who still make good music are starving in the Hip-Hop when they are actually in touch with reality. And touch on fun topics as well as real topics. The whole cd dont have the same beat switched up with some different drums. I am all for fun music because when I was growing up you had shit like the butterfly and 69 Boyz and Luke and them cats that made that type of music and it was and is still respected. But when the whole game has turned into that type of music then thats where the issue occurs.
December 10, 2008 5:34 PM
 

nyga07 said:

@mrgodyroad
what the fuck you say about newyork nucca
lol jk cuzo just saying whats up havent said what up in a hwile
i see lil man about to be grown and putting your ass on punishment lol
be easy and if i dont connect with ya may you and your fam have a safe and blessed holiday
December 10, 2008 5:43 PM
 

Stress92 said:

New York Rappers were the first to go pop and sell out...Diddy, Mase, Jigga, Fab...they set the bar for crossing over...even though they were able to maintain their street edge, somewhere along the line that aspect got lost...now its all about crossing over and the dude with real talent is left in the dust
December 10, 2008 5:55 PM
 

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December 10, 2008 5:59 PM
 

Freddie Kincaid said:

as a fan of hiphop for the last twenty years, I can recall when evrything came from new york. I was a little fan all the way in Arkansas. one of the biggest problems is the media has isolated ny hip hop.  15 yrs ago, it was not about where you were from. Now that seems to be the only thing. you cannot belive that hip hop is this great entity but that it wouldn't expand beyond the borroughs. maybe it's karma. ny has turned their noses up to everyone. how can you deny that artist like ice cube, scarface, andre 3000 are not bonafied emcees. until the new york reallizes that talent and skill is not dependent on being from ny then maybe ny can progress. yes ny does have that crab in abarrel ment. not everyone from the south is snap and until this is realizzed the problem will perstist. also ny refuses to support it own viable artist. emcees like jada,  talib, are not supported due to the fact there is no gimmick to buy into. every since 50 came on the scene, it's been about beef to get a name. NY lowered their standards while everyone else raised theirs. you can not blame that on anyone but ny. it's time NY tried lookin at NY and quit using the other regions short comings as the reason for their own.
December 10, 2008 6:34 PM
 

cashruleznitmrz said:

its like this fam i'm from cali but i have the utmost luv, appreciation and respect for what the east has blessed the world with.  but the ny rap scene suffered a hostile take over by corporate america and ya'll went along for the ride without a fight.   in the late 90's it systematically filtered out the type of individuals that  gave balance to ny hip hop and strategically propagated/marketed its hand picked individuals, that represented one side of life;..murder, dope, wreckless fun & money, no knowledge, no social awareness, just puffy, jay & 50.  And ya'll went right along for the ride.  These type of artists  always existed in hip hop but you always had great balance with artists like the fugees, PE, krs1, rakim, tribe, brand nubians and a slew of other artists.  but everybody lost respect for ny and ny lost respect for itself by only supporting what corporate america dictated.  corporate america don't dictate atl or la (they just shut la down after pac died becuz la became to vocal regarding socially political issues).  i mean how the fuk did ya'll let PUFFY!!! become the representative for your whole state? he a dope business man and entertainer but he rap for fun, and u let him be your ambassador for hip hop.  and u wonder why nobody respects the ny hip hop scene.  so we turned to the south and midwest for a new voice and tempo.  Also, the mainstream ny scene is too re cultured.  ya'll don't show a nigga luv if he ain't kill a nigga or if he spittin knowledge.  but u show  non-ny, non-killa , relatively socially conscious rappers luv like kanye, common and rass kass?  That ain't cool.  nobody respects that flip floppin cuz we've seen ny maintain in-house balance and support for diverse rappers . qtip didn't have to kill a single person 2 get luv in the street.  so since we tired of  rhetorical themes, music lovers seek something different.  and thank god for the south, at least they give mainstream balance in some way...street music (jeezy, boosie),  party music (gucci, wack ass sb) and lyrically (wayne, unk, etc..), and conscious (field mob, etc..).  you might not like some or all of what they got, but at least they are not one-sided. don't get it twisted i support and luv gutta music and artists who shed their pain and experiences on wax like juelz, uncle murda, jay.  i'm from the gutta and was raised on it and rapped it.  but i always showed luv 2 underground artist also.  i ain't change just becuz mtv told me to turn my back on "Poor Righteous Teachers" and only embrace Gunit (and i fuks wit get rich or die tryn and all their mixtapes). i'm in ny now on music business i don't see or hear mainstream luv for different types of hip hop.  stop EXCLUSIVELY supporting crabs in a barrell music and let conscious talent shine.  u can still bump jay or 50 (like me), but give the same support to dead prez and joell ortiz. PEACE!!! WEST SIDE!!!!!!! FREE MUMIA... if u need a dope manager hit me http://www.myspace.com/435835398
December 10, 2008 6:34 PM
 

juelz91716 said:

yo i had 2 retrieve my password and everything to comment on this shit..its not because im from brooklyn im just saying everyone who REALLY knows hiphop knows it started in the bronx. its not because im 26 but im just saying that everyone knows hiphop isn't even 40 years old. new york rap extinct?! SERIOUSLY thats like saying that bc the yankees haven't won a championship in a while they're extinct or the celtics (Excluding the last one) or the Lakers. everything goes thru a rebuilding phase. everthing! and besides i fucks with luda and TI i fucks with ross heavy and game last album was ok and shit anything jeezy touch im wit it but really the hottest muthafucka in the game right now is Ye'. an he said "my big brother who i always tried to be" not like he dick riding but u know he came up under the roc. and how many rappers got the balls to make a rap & blues album and the shit sells #1. shit i dare to say Ye been the hottest rapper since graduation including Wayne. shit and wayne is hot i listen to his music but lets be serious da ni**a made so much music in 08 you could listen to a new album everyday of the month without repeating so you bound 2 like 2 or 3 albums worth of music but im talking quality over quantity here. like luda and TI are on their 6th album jay's sixth album was the blueprint considered one of his greatest by many. im bringing that up to say how many people are looking at paper trail or theater of the mind as being the greatest albums ever shit even just the best of their careers? ok now jeezy and ye are on their 3rd. shiiiiit everyone knows "its a hard knock life" the 5 mill and the grammy's etc shit new york needs a break.  'ye said it best "you can ask big homie man the tops so lonely ai ee yii so lonely aii ee yaiih aahiiih" lmao but seriously.. no disrespect to any other coast state city or borough but to say new york rappers r becoming extinct is like sayin hip hop is dead. like that 24 hour grind 7 days a week money on your mind u only really find in the streets u can get somewhere other than NY. if ny rappers r beoming extinct tell these other cities keep shit open past 2am so that the niggaz on the corner and in the lobby eating some chicken and fried rice acting like he aint watch the fiend walking up really fast and the cops creeping by real slow wont stand out so much..N-Y-C til i D-I-E
December 10, 2008 6:41 PM
 

MRGODBYROAD said:

  @nyga07
WHAT UP KIN FOLK? ITS BEEN A FEW. THAT LIL DUDE IS THE TRUTH. HOW IS YOUR LITTLE 1? THTAS MY LITTLE GIRL ON MY AVI NOW!
December 10, 2008 6:45 PM
 

DubP said:

@cashruleznitmrz

I dig where ur coming from and I agree with a few of your points...and a few are debatable.

Ur point about "allowing" corp america to dictate what NY rappers do and say may have some validity. The word "allow" is loaded, but it all goes back to supporting your locals. Dudes in the South weren't getting label luv so they had to create their own. As a result, they had more creative control.

However, corporations are about money and corp contracts are a lot more easier to get in the South/MidWest '08 than it was in 1998. Corp are seeking the next big money maker -period. For ex., I saw this unsigned group on BET and they lit the stage on fiyah! I showed them luv on Myspace and said if I had a label I woulda flew them to NY the NEXT day to sign. The person hit me back and said that's exactly what happened and a contract was signed in NYC.

All Im saying is the South and MidW can fall victim like NY. We need to build our own and support our own. We need to start thinking like business people.

You can't smoke and drink all night - wake up at 1p the next day and get mad when other rappers are gettin shine.

One thing Diddy said years ago stuck with me - Sleep is not allowed! Remember that poem he made da Band memorize? Chea. He's a biz man.

Be good yall.


December 10, 2008 6:52 PM
 

juelz91716 said:

yo this shit got me so frost. the radio is bullshit now-a-days i remember back in the day you might only here a song 3 times a day u had to hv the fucking play and record buttons down with the pause so that as soon as your shit came on u could start recording it..(yea imma real 80's baby fucks yall new ni**az) PAC, jay-z, big, Ye, juvenile, scarface, snoop, ice cube, 50, banks, nas, the lox, kiss, styles p, jeezy, ross, TI, game, outkast, busta, epmd why the fuck i have to hear live your life all over the fucking place?!! remember "excuse me miss" "hit em up" "who shot ya" " mo money mo problems" "gin and juice" "we taking over" "soul survivor" "everyday im hustlin" shit remember rick ross shit the boss that was just yesterday y they aint playing this shit!!! truth b told all this music they force feeding listeners aint doing shit numbers wise..how many soulja boy album sell.. no disrespect im a grown ass man i know he dont make music for me or that pop lock and drop it dude or that lookin boy dude. or aww man whats that song hurricane chris made?! yo thats a funny name..hurricane chris..lmao..c i dont even remember that shit but i know it was playin alot i couldnt stand tha shit but im saying the shit they make us listen to at least once an hour dont do numbers yea ringtone this and that but real music aint getting play on the radio at all!!! why the fuck u just played a song last commercial you come back a "caller" calls in a request it again..come on!!! hot97 u better than that
December 10, 2008 6:57 PM
 

KingDred69 said:

Most West Coast and Southern MCs are/were influenced by rappers from the Rotten Apple so stop frontin; it's the birthplace of the culture so regardless of your present offense at the mention of this fact, open wide and eat it. Some of these cats in the game past and present traveled to the Apple to get a record deal and was refused which exposed a void in parts of the country where the major labels realized that they needed to fill. New York always showed love to whomever stepped to the mic (MidWest, South, UK, Brazil, France, Germany,etc.) minus the Death Row/Bad Boy fiasco. At that point cats started to carve up the country and choose sides. How Can You Defamate The Base From Which Your Dreamship Was Launched? That's exactly why Kool Herc couldn't get the support he needed when NYC officials went and sold the property where Hip-Hop was born.
Whether NY will make a comeback is anybody's guess because most of the talent from there is packing up they shit and going somewhere else and making noise.
Hopefully the South can keep the torch lit long enough to enrich the culture just as the West and the EastCoast has; y'all are following the same blueprint-
Everything is 'Party and Bullshit' in the beginning until it's time to roll up the sleeves and tackle the real issues.
OUT.
December 10, 2008 7:14 PM
 

WhitneynStevie said:

New York rap can never be dead because thats where hip hop was created. That is the matrix, like the soil is to the seed. The seed will grow out but it still will lead back to the soil. In saying that I admit that hip hop is more universal now. You cant even hold it down to just the US so how you going gauge New York by unfair standards. There was a time in hip hop when people wouldnt even listen to you if you werent from up north, and in saying that they barely wanted to hear people from Philly & New Jersey. I feel like everyone else is catching up. At the same time I also think that consumers see the dog eat dog worlf of New York also. Someone is always beefing and it seems like they hate on each other instead of coming together like it used to be back in the day with the unity. Even 10 years ago everyone would go on tour and make money now friends done turned foe and alot of dudes skirts are showing.
December 10, 2008 7:18 PM
 

TheHonorable said:

@ Shelz

But the south is still refining its sound. It aint as stagnant as NY is.

I can pick a random NY album in 05 and a random NY album in 08 and it would be tough to be different. Perhaps there is a chance with these new jacks like Dusty Hamilton and Hickey Factz but eh...the current wont make moves.

December 10, 2008 7:48 PM
 

bknewstash said:

  ShaloMaktub said:
bknewstash said:
the GOATS come from NYC.
^^^^^
Who Cares? That's just like white people saying "The first 43 Presidents where white". How idiotic is that?

The issue with the whole NYC stand up (Dare I say) movement is this. Whenever someone like BUSS, KISS, or JOE go outside of ny and link up with others yall hate. When they stay yall still via lack of support. The big homie William Shakespeare said it best ABOVE ALL (yes that includes ny or where ever you may be from) TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE. Then and only then will succes follow as the night follows the day. But then again......I guess if you can't get this cake then you might as well hate.

nigga that means that no matter what any other region does NY will always have the GOATS. so your idiotic if you think otherwise dread.
December 10, 2008 7:52 PM
 

Stay_Focused said:

It's an entirely different game now. There was a time when the streets decided what was hot. Now whatever the radio plays that's what seems to be accepted. Another thing that needs to be looked at is unity. When the West first started poppin' off, they helped each other. When the South first started poppin' off, they helped each other. Even in the early days of hip-hop many rappers then helped each other except they didn't really know what this would someday turn out to be. New York has for so long been all about getting your own that they didn't see their grip on the game being weakened.
Also, another thing to consider is this. What is the state of HIP-HOP? Is Hip-Hop dead or has New York always been hip-hop. This seems to be the case because since New York lost its grip the question of whether or not hip-hop is alive truly began to come about.
Just something to Think about...

Stay Focused!
December 10, 2008 7:54 PM
 

Stay_Focused said:

Also two more things to consider. Many artist in New York might not be getting the radio play that New Yorkers once did. This shouldn't be a problem because there was a time when no hip-hop artist were getting any radio play especially in the day time. So what did those rappers/emcees do back then that these artist aren't doing today? KNOW YOUR HISTORY! Remember back in the day if you weren't from New York nobody messed with you. Now the tables have turned. Take notes from the West and the South, learn from what others have done.
Last of all, get the unity back. Everybody wants to rep where they're from. What better way it rep it then to make sure your state's legacy last.
Think about it...

Stay Focused!

December 10, 2008 8:08 PM
 

MR.100STACKZ said:

IMEAN YO DASS TRUE MAINO CANT HOLD IT DOWN 4 DA HOLE 5 BOROUGHS CUZ DESPITE SPENDIN 10 YRS IN JAIL IF HE CAME OUT 10 YEARS AGO HE WUDA BEEN DA MAN CUZ DASS WEN NIGGAZ FUKKED WIT STREET CRED

NIGGAZ LIK LIL WAYNE GETTIN HIS LIP PIERCED AND  ITS ACCEPTABLE THAT JUST REALLY PROVES HOW MUCH THE GAME CHANGED

HIP-HOP IS BECOMIN LESS ABOUT STREET CRED AND MORE COMMERCIAL BUT JIM JONES HOLDING IT DOWN

BUT DA LAST TIME NY CAME BACK HARD WAS IN 06 DASS WEN NAS, JAY, BUSTA, BALLLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, FAT JOE, DIDDY, EVEN DMX CAME OUT IN 06

BUT SKILLZ SAID IT BEST THE LAST TIEM NEW YORK CAME BACK WAS ON FLAVOR OF LOVE

BUT IM STILL WAITING ON NY TO COME BACK DOUGH

BROOKLYN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 10, 2008 8:10 PM
 

KensaiArtOfWar said:

imma do somethin i would never normally do by respondin here..

as someONE who works in the industry, (I co-produced the last hard street record to hit the top 20 on billboard that came from ny (production wise albeit on a bullshit topic), i started as a rapper, lived in the streets of this city, i was broke just a short 9 years ago, and also lived in the middle east in iran, i've made a living off having a sense of perspective and constantly trying to put myself in another man's shoes while at the same maintaining my identity and individuality, never forgetting who i am or where i came from..basically imma meet all of yall halfway if i can so take heed from someone in the industry, i'm going to tell you what i told the head of A&R at murder inc the other day..(darcell, sorry for puttin you on blast, but this is for the greater good):


we have to embrace change. it's not that the boom bap is dead, it's that a lot of these artists are no longer relevant, yes even your favorite ny rappers are NO LONGER RELEVANT, they are riding a wave off previous successes and they have loyal fanbases that will stick by them even if they rhymed over a barney track..and trust me when i say that they know this as well, i know them personally. but they have to make a living like the next man.

i would normally never even respond. but some of yall comments were very insightful and made me so sad that i had to say something...the person who wrote this article is obviously not an A&R because there is a brooklyn movement right now that is going to captivate the mainstream and it already has begun..the thing is NEW YORK is the corporate capital of the world..people COME HERE to make it in life..and it won't ever stop..

that aside..

People just want truth, all success comes from a source of truth (however vague that may be), no matter how much some "haters" would like to deny it...there is a younger generation of 14 year olds that weren't even born when doggystyle or 36 chambers came out! i mean think about that for a second!!!! we were once those kids!! (i am 25)

these kids just want something they can call they own, and if we continue to alienate them we will never reach them, yes i'm saying it...we have to CONFORM to a certain standard but at the same time remain REAL in our approach..these artists that have earned the legitimacy are fake as fuck nowadays because they don't have a choice..they have to still touch base with a kid who doesn't have nothing they can relate...it's not about the struggle anymore, but about what happens once you make it, and people can't RELATE TO THAT!!! a lot of you haven't made it yet!!

imma just say this..if the artist is honest in their approach they will be ok regardless of bottom lines and all that other bullshit..the production SONICALLY has to be relevant (hence jimmy iovine has exploited the hell out of this culture/artform because he understands sonic relevance more than anyone having been an engineer in his past life :P)  

i will end it with this, regardless of talent, and in all walks of life, the ones who make it are the ones who are resilient and don't let obstacles are failures get it their way, it's the success that most of these people/artists can't handle (ala wu tang clan)

donald trump said two things define successful people..1) they love what they do and 2) they know more about what they do than anyone else because they love what they do

become more well rounded, allow yourself to put yourself in the next man's shoes so you can work with him instead of against him...TAKE HEED and i hope i didn't just waste my time typing this and some of yall actually learned something...







December 10, 2008 8:13 PM
 

aneed123 said:

ny got tooo arrogant for its own good... I klaugh when I see folk bring up Laffy Taffy... thats part of the souths culture. many of yall forget about the booty music and dancing that was the South from the late 80's-the 90's. that was music for the clubs and females  but mainstream and corporate America, liked it and pimped it.... back in teh day u had categories of hip hop.. u had gangsta rap, booty music, silly rap ie Vanilla Ice Biz Markie, Hamemer, and u had lyricist.... All that is gone becasue rappers have become followers just so they can go platinum. add in the internet and no one buy cds anymore.... ny is complaining but u have no leg to stand on when u dont support tight rappers like AZ, Budden, Method Man and RedMan (both albums were good and no one bought it) and Kiss.. but 50 cent goes platinum every cd he puts out lol thats on yall. the south is hot becasue theyve been doing this same music forever... The fans in the south support their artist and the sound is the same . Just cuz other regions are just hearing it doesnt mean its new... I have been a fan of Wayne since 98 so just cuz he got mainstream now doesnt mean he didnt pay his dues.. outkasy, eight ball, TI,UGK,WAYNE, 36mafia, etc.... all paid there dues and were quality artist before the South got hot... another bit of advice is for ny artist to get better beats.....Imagine kiss or AZ or Budden rappin on a DJ Paul or Toomp beat...
December 10, 2008 8:18 PM
 

KingDred69 said:

bknewstash said:
nigga that means that no matter what any other region does NY will always have the GOATS. so your idiotic if you think otherwise dread.

I don't know if that comment was directed @ me but I'm the only 'dread' moniker so I feel I have to get at you when I say I agree-that was the point that I was making; not exactly but close to it. I always felt that the Rotten Apple was home to the Gods of the Mic- everyone else just following the template, ie; the locations mentioned in my previous comment. I was backstage at many a 'Freshfest' event in the early '80's fam; back when Dmx Davey D was dj for Run-Dmc. That was before JMJ was officaily in the group! I feel errbody's anguish over the article but it is a relevant subject that needs to be addressed. Maybe Hip-Hop needs to come back home because it done prostituted itself out and needs some serious intervention.
@ Stay Focused- NY will always be Hip Hop.  
December 10, 2008 8:26 PM
 

Stay_Focused said:

@KensaiArtOfWar
I'm glad that you decided to respond for the first time. You made an excellent point. Not too long ago I was watching the last episode of BET's the basement and LL was there. They were talking about what was and how things were during the years that the basement was on and the earlier years of hip-hop. One person (I'm not sure but I think Tigger) asked LL "How do we get it back to what it was?" LL really caught my attention when he responded. He simply said "We don't." He basically said that we can keep our memories but we move on. Now L has been someone that I've always liked in hip-hop so to hear him say we move and accept the change was real big. I myself don't have a problem with what this new generation of rappers are putting out however, my own opinion (which im entitled to lol) I could NEVER put any of these rappers on the same level as New York emcees. I just can't do it. I think these new rappers should continue what they're doing and reach success higher than they've ever thought they could. However, as far as New York's relevance, if there's a certain feeling that they have about it then they need to see what needs to be done and do it. Starting with not just thinking of their individual selves.
Just something to think about.

Stay Focused!
December 10, 2008 8:35 PM
 

T-ROC said:

If the originator die off that mean the creation dies too!
Hence, HIP-HOP IS DEAD!!!
December 10, 2008 8:37 PM
 

Stay_Focused said:

@ KingDred69
I agree that NY will always be hip-hop. My question with that part of my statement is if NY is no relevant, then is hip-hop still alive?

Stay Focused!
December 10, 2008 8:42 PM
 

Stay_Focused said:

@ T-ROC
My point exactly!

Stay Focused!  
December 10, 2008 8:50 PM
 

KingDred69 said:

Stay_Focused Hip-Hop is alive and kicking but sadly, and possibly only in NY as far as in the U.S. is concerned; it's a culture and I know cats that still live it and young dudes coming up that emulate it which is cool if you ask me. Everywhere else is just rap music, mayne.
December 10, 2008 8:55 PM
 

ItsTheCity said:

if these rappers worked together they'd be gettin money..but these brothas can't share...too many egos, too much bullshit..seems like niggas forget the world is bigger than 5 burroughs..not that the burroughs ain't real, ain't didn't pioneer shit but like everything else in life, shit evolves..the world is more than new york, and ppl start payin attn when you have a group, a following..ask atlanta, ask miami, ask texas, especially houston....but that's why new york is new york
December 10, 2008 9:02 PM
 

nercity07 said:

Flwlssdarapchic said:
As an artist from Brooklyn, NY I can state as a fact that alot of labels don't want to fuck with NY Rappers. For one thing, many NY rappers lack humility. Yes, NY has given birth to some of the greatest Rappers. However, that don't mean that every Rapper/artist from NY is GREAT. Your borough doesn't make you great. Your talent does.

For two, NY Rappers have set the bar so high for artists on the come up. Everybody's looking for the next Foxy Brown, Jay-Z, Li'l Kim etc. As a result of that, many artists that may be equally as talented don't get any points for being different. It's like people dis you if your too much like these artists but will dismiss you if your style is too much not like these artists.

Another thing is the whole crabs in a barrel issue. It seems like in the south people put each other on. In NY, your own peoples won't support you. Not necessarily because they don't like your music. They just don't. New Yorkers need to realize that NY is only one city out of many. If we don't support our own artists... who will??

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I agree with you 100%.

I would also like to add that the "New York State of Mind" and arrogance of "We started Hip Hop" is being yelled by 20-25 year old dudes and I say "Nigga no you didn't!"

That's like me saying I was part of the Civil Rights movement, or a slave so give ME reparations just because I'm black.

You would be a fool not to respect what NYC gave to the other states. I live in Calif. and my first love of Hip Hop came from NYC artist. Ice Cube, Short, Scarface, Pac, Ice T, Ras Kas and EVERY West Coast or down south rapper know they got their love from NYC, the problem is nobody is going to kiss yah ass or get "Son'ed" by you either.

Hip Hop has created a new party and most of the time NYC isn't invited. SOME NYC cats give props but won't put them on the list with their greats where other coast will.

I believe the Ice Cube, Scarface and Andre 3000 in their prime are on the same level as Jay, Nas & Big in their prime. A lot of NYC rappers will protest and yell "Bullshit" because they love NYC so much they don't "Listen" to other music. They "Hear" it, but don't listen. Out of state cats hear it all because we had to learn to listen to NYC.

I'm a fan of NYC music. I wish the game went back to real lyrics instead of hooks that take half the song and wack ass lyrics following, but that's not the game right now. New York has to get humble and hungry, stop hating on little shit and get back into the game. It's better for music.

December 10, 2008 9:03 PM
 

DubP said:

@KensaiArtOfWar

...thanks for joining the convo and including your opinion.

You said:
we have to CONFORM to a certain standard but at the same time remain REAL in our approach.

I don't know too many "real" artists who are willing to conform and compromise their standards. In fact, conformity is perhaps the antithesis of artistry. However, it's the smartest way to get your foot in the door - something I touched on earlier. Sad.

On a side note, you said you were broke 9 years ago and you're 25 now. So...you were last broke at about 16 and you have thrived from your late teens and all throughout adulthood? Maad kudos to you!
December 10, 2008 9:04 PM
 

KingDred69 said:

I digress, T-Roc, Stay_Focused;
There would be no Van Gogh's or, Picasso's or Warhol's if everyone (and some have already) if everyone took that approach. The creation lives on, for other's to imitate (which some do), to build upon (which some try), and to be handed down to the next gnereation (which some will).
December 10, 2008 9:05 PM
 

gorgan said:

If new york niggas are pushing Maino and Jim Jones as there best emcees right now . They deserve this hiatus in obscurity there going through , in the past NY's biggest asset was the vast range of styles it had Native Tongues , PE , Kane , Biz , RunDmc , Das Efx , Fu Schnicks , Brand Nubians , Chubb Rock , 3rdBass , K Solo , DMX , AZ , Jeru da Damaja , Onyx , Nas , Wu Tang , Boot Camp Click , Biggie , Craig Mack , Mobb Deep , EPMD , Rakim , Percee p , Big Pun , Big L , Lord Finesse , O.C , Organized Konfusion , Gangstaar , Showbiz and Ag , Diamond d , Krs 1 , LL Cool J , M.O.P  McLyte , Roxxane Shante , The Lox , J Live , BushBabees , Kool G Rap , Masta Ace , Capone and Nore , Tragedy , Jaz O and Jay Z , 50 Cents , Busta Rhymes                                                                                                                                    Now you got Maino and True Life trying to make a name by either smack talking or fighting rather than dazzling us with wordplay and skills , You got Cam and Jimmy on some smack talking Swagg shit , Fat Joe practically abandoning the diggin in the crates sound that bought him to prominence                                                       Joell Ortiz a nice punchline lyricist but lacks mainstream appeal [niggas like me will be in the minority when we go to cop his long awaited LP]                                                                   Mimms no originality 1 hit wonder syndrome                                                          Saigon falls in the Joell Ortiz category just not as good as Joell                                                     Papoose when he 1st did Alphabetical Slaughter in the late 90's i was blown away , by the time he came back with K Slay in the millennium i wondered why he was being so hyped up by everybody                                                         Uncle Murda , jury's still out on dude                                                                Corey Gunz for some reason New York are not utilizing this genuine talent                                                               Murda Mook and Jae Mills talented but a tad to predictable but great battle rhymers                                                            Joe Pelligrino skilled Italian emcee facing the same problems i diagnosed Joell Ortiz with
December 10, 2008 9:05 PM
 

KingDred69 said:

oops on the misspelling y'all^^^^^^^^^^^^^
December 10, 2008 9:09 PM
 

nercity07 said:

KingDred69 said:
bknewstash said:
nigga that means that no matter what any other region does NY will always have the GOATS. so your idiotic if you think otherwise dread.

I don't know if that comment was directed @ me but I'm the only 'dread' moniker so I feel I have to get at you when I say I agree-that was the point that I was making; not exactly but close to it. I always felt that the Rotten Apple was home to the Gods of the Mic- everyone else just following the template, ie; the locations mentioned in my previous comment. I was backstage at many a 'Freshfest' event in the early '80's fam; back when Dmx Davey D was dj for Run-Dmc. That was before JMJ was officaily in the group! I feel errbody's anguish over the article but it is a relevant subject that needs to be addressed. Maybe Hip-Hop needs to come back home because it done prostituted itself out and needs some serious intervention.
@ Stay Focused- NY will always be Hip Hop

-----------------

Blah, blah,blah,blah.

We thank you for the History lesson because we cannot go forward without knowing the past but all that old NYC shit is dead. Ask a 15 year old kid feeling hip hop right now about Rakim, KRS-1, Pac or even Jay-Z and Nas as being a "GOAT" and they'll look at you if crazy. The same way I would look at old heads when I was younger if they told me Grand Master Caz, Melle Mell, Bizzy B or whoever was better than Rakim or Jay-Z.

It's time to move on. NYC is stuck in the past. It's like The Yankees screaming Babe Ruth, and Mickey Mantle or better yet Derek Jeter....you better get some CC Sabathia and hit up your farm clubs fuckas!! Get some young rappers that are hungry and support them like other coast do theirs.

Go to NYC and all you fucka's bootleg your favorite rappers!!! what part of the game is that??? Where are your record stores?? I lived in NYC for 2 years and I seen more bootlegged shit than stores. That also kills your rappers.

Once again, Props to NYC for giving birth to this great sub-culture of Hip Hop, but stop living in the past, and anybody under 25 years old in NYC can't say "WE" to a GOT-DAMN thing on creating this Art form. Your young ass wasn't at Union Square or the Latin Quarters back then so STFU!
December 10, 2008 9:10 PM
 

drewhood said:

now i aint gonna write a book, but all i gotta say is i wish we could go back to the days when new york was runnin shit, when the greatests of all time was spittin, the golden era of hip hop. a new region is runnin this era but look who we have gettin platinum placs, no need to name the wack rappers. there are raw mcs from the south too, but most of them arent gettin shine either. i honestly feel that if biggie, pun, big L and pac were still around we wouldnt have a solja boy or bow wow, there would be no market for it. somewhere along the line we have allowed hip hop to to turn into hip pop and thats just sad to me. oh and im from the south
December 10, 2008 9:16 PM
 

DubP said:

@drewhood ...soooooo you don't like Marco Polo? ;OP
December 10, 2008 9:27 PM
 

theillseed said:

NY needs a Barack...lmao!!!
December 10, 2008 9:31 PM
 

bknewstash said:

  KingDred69 said:
bknewstash said:
nigga that means that no matter what any other region does NY will always have the GOATS. so your idiotic if you think otherwise dread.

I don't know if that comment was directed @ me but I'm the only 'dread' moniker so I feel I have to get at you when I say I agree-that was the point that I was making; not exactly but close to it. I always felt that the Rotten Apple was home to the Gods of the Mic- everyone else just following the template, ie; the locations mentioned in my previous comment. I was backstage at many a 'Freshfest' event in the early '80's fam; back when Dmx Davey D was dj for Run-Dmc. That was before JMJ was officaily in the group! I feel errbody's anguish over the article but it is a relevant subject that needs to be addressed. Maybe Hip-Hop needs to come back home because it done prostituted itself out and needs some serious intervention.
@ Stay Focused- NY will always be Hip Hop.  


my comment was directed towards dude who had dreads in his picture.not u.Its all love.no trouble making on this side
December 10, 2008 9:45 PM
 

shelz said:

@the honorable..

yups.  thats pretty much the same argument i got from my folks when they read this.  but when i listen to ortiz i dont hear the same thing as when i listen to folk&stress. and when i listen to sean price i dont hear the same thing as when i listen to immortal.... to me there are a few folks who create and then the masses who follow and i see that everywhere.  not just in new york.  maybe the masses down here are following something that has yet to be refined, but when it finally does become refined wont the same thing happen?  i mean at this point, how much completely new ish can anyone create?

and @ kensai...
ur right. im no industry person... im just a fan.
December 10, 2008 9:57 PM
 

NewWest-310 said:

Im an Idiot. Shelby = Shelz. Now im only 90% behind my previous statement. Nice article tho.
December 10, 2008 10:18 PM
 

drewhood said:

@DUBP

i see what ure getting at cuz thats my bad, i usually skip the short story comments and just go straight to my own
December 10, 2008 10:20 PM
 

drewhood said:

@dubp, if by OP you meant original post that is
December 10, 2008 10:28 PM
 

DubP said:

LOL...@drewhood....I was just teasing ...re: the Marco Polo...

;OP <--- you have to look at it with your head tilted and you will see that it's me sticking my tongue out atcha.

Don't mind me...Im sleepier than a mug and I just wanted to inject a bit of levity to the convo -- like Illseed and his Obama comment.

People are definitely passionate about this topic.
December 10, 2008 10:37 PM
 

datboitaj said:

This was like a slap in the face to not only N.Y. but the South. I mean first and most important name one and I mean one style of music without origins in the south??? It was only a matter of time that the south would be as big down here as it is now. There is no comparing N.Y. hip hop to Southern rap at all. I remember listening to hip hop when I was a lil' boy and got so much of a feel for N.Y. because Run DMC made me want adidas and Kane made me want the high top. Wu was gutter and I understood them because I could relate to them from what I was seeing down in N.O.....I mean there was alot of trendsetting but at the same time we had our own rappers then just not getting the praise. Even on BET rap city you'd have to wait bout the whole show and probably get one southern video if that. We had our own sound and style then but it was only in our region while the east and west coast had the t.v. on lock. To me being where I am when Pac died the west coast was never the same down here...you still had good artist but it wasn't the same and when Death Row fell off....it was completely different. We slowly started doing things unseen in hip hop...look what P and Prince J and Tony Draper and Organized Noize not to mention Cash Money did...that was stuff no one and I mean no one in hip hop had seen before. Plus we brought in New styles ...language ... pretty much changed how people looked at us because before I think alotta people thought the south was like all country with a few cities here and there. The past few years we've incorporated our music into alot of music out there...east coast west coast mid-west. Think about it has one region ever incorporated all other regions in there music like we have these past few years? Snoop signing to No Limit( plus they had other west coast an east coast signees) ..Mac 10/Major Figgaz Cash Money...Gillie/Psyco Drama Suave house...it seemed like if you rapped and from the Chi you'd eventually land on Rap A Lot...I can go on and on with this. All N.Y. hip hop did was do what the other coast did that I can say we started and that's melt into one. I remember a time when you'd hear a beat and you'd be like ya he's from Cali and ya he's from N.Y before that cat started spittin....but it's not like that now. Other than a person's own style it's harder to tell.  I mean who actually thought that somebody like Tyga was from Compton or if he didn't put it out to everybody does the Game rhyme like he's from Compton?  You got N.Y. rappers that don't sound like they from N.Y. and you got Mid west rappers who sound southern. It ain't that N.Y. fell off it's the game is different it ain't about where you from no more. Production is at a all time high on all coast...and if a beat's hot people are gonna cop it. So people can say there's a lack of substance in music and there is but it's not a specific coast's fault. I mean down here most of us grew up listening to Ball and JG .. Ghetto Boy...DF...that's just to name a few so there's no lack of lyrics in that. People can say there's a lack of originality in N.Y. but I disagree with that too...N.Y. is too big to lack any kind of originality they are and will always be trendsetters in almost all catagories. Lack of artist nope...the young artist that I like outta N.Y. aren't even signed...so have been around for a minute I remember listening to Cory Guns when he was 14 and he's still not signed!!!! With all that said I just think N.Y. hip hop isn't dead ...hip-hop itself has erased alot of the regional margin and if anything N.Y. needs to do is..re-establish the vibe it once had but keeping artist who can do that unsigned is not a way that's gonna happen.  
December 10, 2008 10:40 PM
 

notoriousbiggie said:

Wow! I have this conversation all the time. And the only this I can say for definite that unity is the key. You will never see jay ja and x do a song ever again. You will never see 50 and nas on the same song. You will never see jay jada beans source money and the lox's on a song. With all the dissing of each other it makes everybody look corny. Also young people dont really like music anyway they will listen to anything. But there is still good music coming out of Ny. corey gunz this kid is like tigger woods.
December 10, 2008 10:46 PM
 

drewhood said:

i gotcha dubp, for your info i took out the time to read your comments and others and i can now see my comment was a little.....late
December 10, 2008 10:47 PM
 

KarEeMdaDreAm said:

why is new york crying?

we all know the game right now is horrible, and who is running it? THE SOUTH

let those fools think that they are "on top" right now instead of realizing that they are destroying hip hop with that soulja boy shit

but all in all, corporatism killed hip hop....money money money is what these labels are after and they put out anything that is catchy, and fuck the radio stations who are 24/7 replaying songs
December 10, 2008 10:56 PM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

@   bknewstash

Niggas like you with that ignorant shit is why this culture as a whole is dying. The sad thing is you remind me of these KKK dudes who hate change and can't let the past go. My point is this, you say that the GOATS are from NY right? But those are your goats. If you leave the east coast and go else where shit will vary greatly. You sound like this white dude on talk redio hating on OBAMA talking bout "so what all the other presidents were white". I'm like so what? What does that have to do with right now. Weak ass nigga if you want change then get your ass off this site, take that back pack and walkman off and be the damn change, buy a damn cd or something. Fuck your GOATS my nigga, they didn't do shit for me and they obviously ain't did shit for ass.
December 10, 2008 11:03 PM
 

LJBronxPhillyRep said:

Let me say, don't talk that "NY artists beef too much shit" Look at all the beef in the south "T.I. Vs. Shawty i dunno" This Souja Boy shit....Cash money was beefin at one time, SLim thug and Lil'flip, Flip still going at T.I. so don't try to use that, plain and simple it's NY against the whole globe that's what it seems like to me. On this site it seems like niggas wait to hear some bad news coming out of NY, but when NY artists drop something decent niggas dissappear, but like i said soon as some wack shit come out of here niggas is on the job with the comments. Like i said if you're not from here you won't understand the style point blank. And skinny jeans didnt start here, Your boy Kanye started that skinny jeans nerdy look and Dipset just ran with it. Don't front like dudes in The South ain't on that, i see dudes in the south fuckin with Prada slim pants too. No hate to the south the point i'm trying make is i'm tired of muthafuckas sittin behind a screen when they never been off they block and talking about whats going on in The City. I've been outta town i see wassup, i can tell you a lot of cats is really bias against anything NY. Even when i'm not down there on bullshit muthafuckas is saying something. NY must be alive and kicking if niggas hop on a chance to talk about us, but much love to the real MC's everywhere North, South, East, West....bring Hip Hop back....fuck where you from, just understand the culture.
December 10, 2008 11:23 PM
 

King Prophet62 said:

Peace 2 all on AHH
I was reading a lot ov good points being made on this subject. Pretty much i think the only way that Ny rap will come back 2 the front is 1. If we support our artist. And not jus support cuz they from NY. Support cuz u feel them! The yung kidz dem run 2 the store or i-tune their artist. 2. We need a good Crop of Emcees that come out wit the realness. We need a variety of Emcess that spit dat good ish. Remember 85-88..we had krs,kane,rakim-allah, Juice crew..etc... Then we had native tungz era, Then we had nas, b.i.g., black moon, wu, mobb depp. Then later on in 96-99 we had hova,dmx, pun, nore, killa cam ,lox, canibus...etc. Emcess came out in bunches. There are emcess out there nowadays, but they just lack that "THING" 3. Stick wit dat N.Y. Sound. Premo still has heat. Pete Rock also. Sometimes i get tight wen hova or nas dnt take it bak a lil. But they wanna go forward so...wateva. But wit a lil fix up, i tink we'll be ok.
Peace & Luv!!!!!!
December 11, 2008 12:01 AM
 

Mr. Kingpin said:

I think that the biggest problem NY and most of the east coast (philly, bmore, dc) has is that somewhere along the lines people stopped being fans. Nowadays everyone wants to be a rapper, producer, label CEO, manager etc so they see everyone else as competition and dont support each other. I've done shows all over the map from canada to florida and we are the only region that dont support our own. Its hard to explain but i'll give you an example -  I was giving out FREE promo CD's one day and this dude was like nah I dont want one dont even want to hear it, but yo i rap too im about to blow up son!

I asked Timbaland what does an up and coming artist have to do to get on nowadays, his answer was simple - start a movement. People either get behind you because they believe you or because it's a fad. It's easy to start a movement with the right gimmick, thats why so much trash artists are out nowadays. The days of A & R's signing people based on talent are long gone. They are only concerned with can we make money off you. But how can you start a serious movement if no one wants to be a fan? We dont buy cd's, we dont go to local shows except to promote ourselves, yet we wonder why the south is running things. Also, we don't put in the extra work like artists down south do. Every up and coming rapper out here is always "in the studio", requesting friends on myspace or putting out mixtapes, but dont put together quality songs/albums or know how to rock a show. I've done shows on the east coast and gave my all only to have hardly anybody want to buy a cd, and done shows outside of the east coast and sold out of all the cds i had.

Things wont change until they hit rock bottom. When theres no more dreams of getting rich, then all the people who are trying to get rich quick will fall off. Once we get back to doing it for the love then things will improve. Oh yeah, and NY will never get back by being followers, we got the accolades and respect by being trend setters.
December 11, 2008 1:44 AM
 

lamarrion said:

It's not that new York fell off. It's just that they think since it started there they don't have to change for anyone and they started to get a chip on there shoulder.
December 11, 2008 1:50 AM
 

Train_Of_Thought said:

I'm with you Honorable on that shit you speaking. NYC aint wen t no where. Honestly if the radio stations would play some of what a lot of us call "Real Hip Hop" then you would see the game even out a little bit. Its a lot of muffuckas makin a lot of good music that gets overlooked because it's not considered mainstream. Doesn't mean it aint hot because the masses haven't heard it, it's because a lot of dudes don't want to compromise their creativity just to sell records. That's why they go indi. The lifespan of a rapper aint that long anymore anyway. If you came in the game after 2005. Shit, you got about a good 4 maybe five year run. That's good for what 2  albums? After that niggas take a break then they replace your ass with the next big gimmicky ass rapper. Just ask Mike Jones. But these stations only play what the fuck they told anyway. The South got plenty to say, so does the North, East, and West. Whats going on in the South ain't the South fault. It's the peoples fault. Once niggas got hooked on that crack from the south everbody wanted it. So that shit you used to selling has less buyers and and now you need a new supplier. Once niggas get tired of that high they'll be back to find a new one. This shit works in cyles. If I was rapper I'd go Indi myself.

1. your career will last longer.
2. you get to keep your dignity
3. you don't have to fuck a gay ass record exec in the ass or give head to get ahead.


BTW to everyone. The industry is running shit. Not the South or the North. Everybody's a puppet to these fucks face it. These rappers aint nothing but interchangeable parts and they just using the south the same way they used the East when it first started. They found a new bitch and packed they bags. They'll find a new bitch sooner or later. Then we'll be arguing over that shit too.

Keep the truth in this bitch fuck with all these opinions. I speak that real shit.  
December 11, 2008 2:12 AM
 

theLMNOP said:

No time to read all the comments, but my opinion is that NY was, usually is, and several times again will be rap's mecca (I'm from the midwest and know that).

Because...

1. If you can cut it in NY, you can cut it anywhere.
2. If you are rapping, I bet at least 2 or 3 of your top 5 are from NY.
AND
3. Even if you weren't born in NY, since rap was born in NY, you, as a fan of rap and hip-hop, owe a portion of your identity to NY.

But uh, that's just my opinion.
December 11, 2008 4:11 AM
 

acemoney009 said:

NY has been griping for the last 5 or so years. If half of that time was spent creating music, maybe the playing field would be more even. There wasn't this much complaining when the west had it on lock. NYers act as if everything, not just music, must begin and end in NY...huh? No one is checking for what NY does. Every region does their thing, and is secure in that. NY acts like a disgruntled older brother, mad that the little brother blew up. Get over it. If it's not like NY does it then it's not right...HA! Negro please!
December 11, 2008 5:04 AM
 

billy_gramz said:

in all actuality....niggas is still makin good music...just have to find out WHO??????? Give sumbody else a chance to rokc and real people go buy real people music...the machine shit is dead, not NYC and not Hip Hop. How the hell NYC dead when its artists like Joell Ortiz (not marketable enuf...says who??) Saigon (won't sell?...give him t.i. promotion and budget) Maino (for every Ja Rule there's a 50 cent! breath of fresh) and thats just one borough (BK)...now the vets, like Nas (who drops albums of substance and meaning) are seeing the way shit goes now and are not happy. Its two ways to go about it...some just say its business and roll wit da punches change wit da times...others point out the issues. Thats the balance of hip hop. "Kings lose crowns...teachers stay intelligent..." Chingy sold lots of records wit "ringtone hits"...at one point (Kings lose crowns) now hes nowhere to be found...Nas has consistently dropped good music and sold records since '93 (teachers stay intelligent) U see, New York will never die...as long as there are cats rappin, NYC breathes. If Nas drops HIP HOP IS REBORN as his next shit, watch how heads turn again. Classic example; JadaKiss is a rap veteran. He knows the ins and outs by now, but instead of him sayin Fukc da majors, he still suits up for Def Jam...knowin he could make more cake off Koch. This goes bakc to two ways of goin about it. Jada rollin wit da punches because its his position to play da main stream for D Block/LOX. Its Nas position to say "everybody's a nigger." people prove him rite everyday. the "niggers" that made him change the title were afraid of what people would say/think. Bottom line hip hop cant die...its immortal...its never gon fold on u bitch ass niggas cuz they still keep da devil in da whole for those who watched the Wire. Hip Hop's essence is the struggle of underpriveledged, poor, hated on, etc. so it can't die...South doin its thing, but NYC is disappointed in itself...fickle fans are NY trademark...when muthafuccas don't get top rankin its dead to them, like the KNICKS!!!!!! for the sake of Big L, Pun, Francis M to tha izz-H, and the other legends still livin, the funeral and wake services for HIP HOP have been CANCELLED!!!
December 11, 2008 7:14 AM
 

T-ROC said:

See, I gave this some thought. And just maybe the rappers are NOT to blame (play devil's advocate for a minute). Just maybe they fell into the hole of "YOUNG black men" who had NOTHING and who do anything to continue "having." then comes white corporate America to not only monopolize on their legacy burn their careers and pupeteer all their actions. ( Sean Combs being sold to a white corporation, Rocawear being sold to a white corporation). Now, we have nothing to ourselves. We blame fight among ourselves, when most are the rappers are to blame ( LL Cool J doing a TAG or AX whatever the name commercial ). Not to pick on the kid who doesn't know any better. Then enters Soulja "Boy" hence the name grown man calling himself "Boy", that's the white corporate America side. Now comes the image, sunglasses with your "stage" name on them; that's the pupereer side. Before that was T-Pain, a grown @$$ man saying he is a member of a circus. WTF!!!!

They both remind me of the TV clips ( since, I am too young to knowof them ) I would see of white men who had their faces painted like black people and dancing around. Straight demagoguery, bufoonery. This is an example of OUR culture gone bad. There is something WRONG with "MUSIC" (hence, the emphasis) when these two non-talents can sell over 100 thousand copies of an album.


******please DO NOT reply to my post if you're not intelligent to COMPREHEND where I am coming from with MY opinion*******

Thank You..........
 
December 11, 2008 7:16 AM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

@ T-ROC

Before that was T-Pain, a grown @$$ man saying he is a member of a circus. WTF!!!!
^^^^^^^

This is the reason why folks outside of NY (Yes including a bunch of folk from that region) don't respect what a lot of you have to say. How can you be so "intelligent" then turn around and make a dumd comment like this? So let get this right.....you can't COMPREHEND the "Hip hop is a circus and I am the ring leader metaphor? Maybe you just may not really know what a metaphor is so I want bail on you but a metaphor is a figure of speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it DOES NOT LITERALLY denote in order to suggest a SIMILARITY. How can you not get that when this type of metaphor is constantly used in hip hop. The truth is you do get it but you are just a hater. You constantly weaken your opinion when you feel the need to take jabs at someone else. And for all of us grown folk is feel the need to hate on soulja boy, i'm dude he's for the kids in high school. Why are you even worried bout the lil' man doing him? What's worst a 17 yr old dancing or grown ass men doing the Harlem Shake and the Crip walk? Come on really now.
December 11, 2008 8:00 AM
 

T-ROC said:

******please DO NOT reply to my post if you're not intelligent to COMPREHEND where I am coming from with MY opinion*******

Thank You..........

Had to repost...damn folks on here. READ & COMPREHENSION are two different things. COMPREHEND, where i am going with my comment. I NEVER once said this is how I felt. Hence, the "devil's advocate in parenthesis. I am playing devils advocate. It is from a DIFFERENT perspective to spark an intelluctual conversation.

READ & COMPREHEND.....PLEASE!!
December 11, 2008 8:21 AM
 

NO504 said:

this is the dumbest shyt Ive ever read,how can you say anything about unity when your state is hating on other states, Stop looking at the gucci mane type artist from the south and listen to our top artist T.I LuDI WAYNE BUN B Dre 3000 and I bet they can spit circles around NY's top artist and look at the of the up coming artist, the south is holding it down and just how we have dance songs down here dont forget that dumb azz break dancing comes from there just like the peewee herman and all that stop bitching and starting your artist and this convo wouldn't exist stop downloading and tell your artist to switch the style up were tired of hearing about dead bodies falling in snow........ But ay we rock with yall down here but you guys should stop the bitter-ness
December 11, 2008 10:49 AM
 

FreedomFirst said:

Anytime something is happening there's a valid reason why.
Hiphop requires new creative energy to stay alive and vibrant. 50 cent provided that spark a few years ago and that's how hiphop gets rejuvenated. The last time I can remember that type of buzz being generated was Canibus in the late 90s. Without the self propelled artist, hiphop dies. when Nas said hiphop is dead he was speaking about himself as well as the industry in general. Nas is predictable no matter how well you may enjoy his art, it's predictable and redundant. Trying to conntrol something that is not meant to be controlled is hiphop's creative dilemma.

The southern artist TI, Lil Wayne etc. etc. basically copy the successful footprint established by the pioneers and make it palpable for my daughters  so they stay commercially relevant.

Sorry but the hiphop yall talking about aint never coming back, it sold its soul to the labels who need to control it to be relevant. I know the Joel Ortiz, Joe Buddens, Saigon and Royce Da 59 fans are out there but they belong on mixtapes, coffeshops and backpack tours, if they can carve out a living in that arena good for them.

Hiphop is going the way of Jazz where you do it for the love and you may or may not make a living out of it, but somehow it keeps your soul alive. A true hiphop head like a true jazzhead creates multiple disciplines as they pursue their dreams of creating and expressing from the soul. It's this discipline and the skills derived that becomes the secret ingredient that keeps the artist alive and makes everything else in life he/she pursues relevant!!

Everybody keep doing your thing and remember never hate the playa nor knock the hustle, else you may have to right a song one day titled "Lost One"!!!

Peace and Blessings
FreedomFirst
December 11, 2008 11:18 AM
 

Mr. 8163 said:

I don't hate New York, but for real....artists from up state really be hatin' on the South. I'm like this, I can't stand some of the shit the South puts out now, but i'm from the South. I listen to the old school southern rappers, and tune out most of this shit heard on the radio today. I like some NY rappers, too. But just like the South, I listen to some of the old school northern rappers, and tune out the new shit, too. Because I feel like no matter where you are from today....i'm talkin' about NOWADAYS....you basically talkin' about the same shit the other person is talking about, except for a few people. But the point i'm trying to make is that even though we're separate coasts, or whatever, hip hop goes through phases that everybody and their momma is going to try to emulate.
December 11, 2008 11:32 AM
 

lena_teira said:

hip hop will always be alive esp in places like NY..all this crap about the south taking over hip hop is false..there are southern rappers and there are east coast rappers..being a rapper doesnt automatically make you hip hop..and the state of music shows that many have forgotten where it all began..its ok to be creative and original but dont destroy art in the process..the NY rapper will always exist bcs at the end of the day album sales or not they are the ones we turn to once we get tired of the commercial bs..now im not saying there arent southern rappers out there who fall into the hip hop category..but im just saying music has gotten to an all-time low and we as fans should demand more..and some artists only see sales because of theyre hype and young kids are dumb enough to follow trends obviously..
December 11, 2008 11:43 AM
 

lena_teira said:

and im so mad that theres a picture of plies labeled the future of rap advertising his unwanted album..id hate to think that thats what we have to look forward to as the future of rap..
December 11, 2008 11:46 AM
 

JasonWllms55 said:

NEW YORK HIP HOP IS ALIVE AND BREATHING IF YOU ASK ME. MAYBE THATS CUZ I LIVE IN NEW YORK, LOL. BUT ANYWAY,  DONT JUDGE 106 AND PARK AND WHAT YOU HEAR ON THE RADIO AS A MEANS OF WHAT REGION IS RUNNING HIP HOP. ALL THAT IS POLITICS, AND WE GOT 16 YEAR OLD GIRLS VOTING FOR VIDS ON 106. NEW YORK HIP HOP IS ALIVE AND WELL. WE GOT JAY-Z, G-UNIT, NAS, DBLOCK, DIPSET (WHOEVER THAT CONSISTS OF THESE DAYS) FABOLOUS, BUSTA RHYMES. IF ALL THESE NIGGAS GOT ON THE SAME PAGE AND STARTED MAKING MUSIC TOGETHER IT WOULD BE A WRAP FOR THOSE OTHER REGIONS. CAN YOU IMAGINE A NATIONAL TOUR WITH ALL THOSE ARTISTS? SHIT WOULD BE CRAZY.  WE NEED JA RULE AND DMX TO GET THEY SHIT TOGETHER AS WELL. PAPOOSE SEEMS TO HAVE FALLEN OFF THE MAP. BUT WE GOT RED CAFE COMIN UP, CORY GUNZ TOO. IF ALL THESE NIGGAS GOT ON THE SAME PAGE AND STARTED MAKING MUSIC TOGETHER IT WOULD BE A WRAP FOR THOSE OTHER REGIONS. NO MORE DISS RECORDS TALKIN ABOUT OTHER NEW YORK ARTISTS. 50 AND NAS NEED TO DEAD THEY LITTLE BULLSHIT. ONCE PRODIGY COMES OUT, WE DEFINATELY GONNA NEED THE MOBB  DEEP AGAIN. CAN YOU IMAGINE A NATIONAL TOUR WITH ALL THOSE ARTISTS? SHIT WOULD BE CRAZY. DONT WORRY WE HERE, ALIVE AND BREATHING.
December 11, 2008 12:34 PM
 

amBIGuous1 said:

I feel ya DubP...

I guess what i feel is the most played out thing...is this whole arguement.

LIKE THIS IS A GO TO EDITORIAL FOR ONLINE HIP HOP BLOGGERS & PEOPLE WHO WRITE EDITORIALS WHO CANT COME UP WITH SOMETHING ORIGINAL.

Kinda like G W Bush...aww shi* we losing the popular opinion...lets make airports Code Red and Send out a terrorist report.

Peeps been arguing about NY falling off for the last couple years.  Come with something orignial Shellz!!  Step your journalism game up!!  ANd stop being a sepratist!!  You'd think with Obama coming up as President we'd be trying to unite all facets of life...but no we trying to seperate as we've always done.  U.N .I.T.Y  

B.c lets face it NY rappers do good...sales will translate to the South. West starts really banging people will be copping more HIp HOp.  It's all universal...when one does good the whole culture does good
December 11, 2008 1:44 PM
 

Reyo said:

@  
TheHonorable

If anything should have the plug pulled it's what some of you cats down South consider Hip-Hop.

The fact that you tried to flip that "cookie-cutter" shit on NY (AKA THE FUCKIN BIRTH PLACE) shows your ignorance.
LOL @ southern artists "evolving-faster"!!!!!  Wayne had his early shit written by/learned from a Philly Rapper!

I'm all for you reppin' your area, but be realistic.  NY wont come out their shell(?), but (most)southern shit sound exactly the same!!! - RIGHT DOWN TO THE DRUM KIT!!!

ALL of your statements aimed @ NY rappers actually describe 90% of southern artists.  Do y'all own mirrors down there?

& for the record, Yung Berg is from Chi....
December 11, 2008 2:27 PM
 

Crippled Seedz said:

How can New York fall off when we invented a whole genre of music? Money is what separates people. When the West Coast was selling millions of albums due to them not having many bootleggers out there they began dissing New York. But once they made money, money separated all of them. Now you have Snoop trying to get the West Coast reunited again. Then the South started running shit and talking bad about New York. Now they have money and look at them, they are now beefing against each other. As I said before how can New York fall off when the top Forbes Hip Hop artist are 50 Cent, Jay z, and Diddy. New York just moved on to playing more of the background and stacking more paper.
December 11, 2008 2:33 PM
 

c_a_k said:

why cant music just be about music who gives a rats ass where someone is from and what hood or borough or state they represent, the last time i checked, AINT NONE OF THIS SHIT OURS (we go around calling ourselves AFRICAN AMERICANS and we cant name one place in africa). I miss the days when u just listened to good music, now im forced to listen to someone just because they from NYC or from down south or out west.

REAL MUSIC, GOOD MUSIC, TRUE MUSIC, HAS NO BOUNDARIES, WHETHER THRU DISTANCE, TIME, SEX, AGE, U NAME IT. I WANT TO HEAR TIMELESS MUSIC, NOT THE SHIT THEY SELLING ME LIKE IM SOME KIND OF FIEND OR SOMETHING ON THE BLOCK.
December 11, 2008 2:35 PM
 

c_a_k said:

i cosign danny :-)
December 11, 2008 2:41 PM
 

pissonyagrave said:

LOL DAMN DONT YOU PEOPLE GET TIRED OF ARGUING ABOUT A CULTURE THAT DOESNT BELONG TO YOU ANYMORE BILLY OWNS IT NOW HES IN THAT BIG BUILDING IN YOUR MAJOR CITIES ON THE 25TH FLOOR LOOKING FOR THE NEXT NIGGA THAT WILL PUT MONEY IN HIS DAUGHTER'S COLLEGE FUND.
December 11, 2008 3:20 PM
 

Chi-Town Jay said:

The problem is that people don't hear real "hip hop" cuz all they listen to is what they hear on the radio.
December 11, 2008 3:24 PM
 

that N____R Jhamal said:

Ok now while i understand your point, lets do a little something called rationalizing. Hip Hop mainstream too words that don't normally go together, but for candor sake let's let them ride for now. Who's the last Hip Hop Artist to be mainstream from anywhere? (I did not say rapper it's been established there is a vast difference in the two) Artists become popular artists (mainstream) for various reasons mostly for the monster behind them (ex. Record Company, Producers, Features). So the thing becomes why is there such a lack of "Mainstream" Hip Hop from NY it becomes how many clones will the Industry allow to pollute the system? Let's not forget Joell Ortiz was on a Major signed to the good Doctor himself He left because of the politics not because they didn't think he was among the Leader of the New School. @ any rate it is what it is you may not think so But NY is still #1!!!!
December 11, 2008 3:28 PM
 

Bootcamp 4life said:

Well 1st off yall are talking about these "mainstream" NYC rappers like Jay-Z, 50 Cent,& Nas. But If your into real hip hop not this blend of R&B & Rap Like The Wu-Tang Clan Said It's Rappin Bullshit nowadays because NYC is still doing work am I missing something or is Saigon, Sean Price, Smif N Wessun, The Lox: Styles P, Sheek Louch, & Jada, The Bootcamp Clik, Joell Ortiz etc...all from NYC just cause there just because they dont wanna make these corny ass songs and they keep it hard for the underground plus it's these dumb ass fans fault I'm 27 So I grew up with real hip hop 1981-2004 when I say it kinda changed. Look this is how bad the game is Sheek Louch & Jadakiss are from D-Block a hard group of lyrics & NYC Music they have had "radio" singles like "Good Love" And "By Your Side" just to sell is that New Yorks fault no it's these same fans who will buy that ignorant ass Soulja boy but wont buy (and I mean Buy) a real album like Silverback Gorilla etc so if anything NYC Has succomb to this R&B rap mix while the real 1's like The Bootcamp Clik & Sean Price make & drop albums faithfully but unless your a underground hip hop fan or know about FATBEATS then you will never know that NYC is alive and doing well even if its underground and with me not listening to the radio since 2003 I'm straight knowing real hip hop still exists you just gotta love real music enough to go out and find it or maybe even download it when it super underground.
December 11, 2008 3:30 PM
 

nercity07 said:

A lot of you NYC cats kill me. Like I said before, Where I'm from California, the people down south and Midwest thank the older hip hop heads for creating this subculture called Hip Hop.

We thank Kool Herc, Bam, Bizzy Bee, We think Rocksteady, DJ Red Alert, Chuck Chill Out, Union Square the whole 9. There's not one rapper that doesn't have 1 of his top 5 rappers not being from NYC.

But WE AINT KISSING YO ASS EITHER! It's like Pac said if Hip Hop was a race for President then NYC only has a few electoral votes. The rest of the Nation has spoken.

All you 25 and under cats from NYC talking that "We made this shit" should STFU cause you aint old enough to make a damn thing. Your uncles and older brother did but you are a fan of the music just like everybody else.

The under 25 NYC cats are spoiled rich kids that helped kill the culture. Biggest Bootlegers EVER! Look at the Video with Joe Buddens how he said NYC dudes don't even support their own Artist.

You dudes are the biggest Haters and you killed your own culture. Now you're crying.

Eff outta here.

Once again, Thank you NYC for creating this art form, thank you for giving us Rakim, KRS-1, LL, Jay, Nas, Biggie etc. But this aint 88, 92,94, or 98.
December 11, 2008 3:43 PM
 

Cresent City Connektor said:

@Jhamal


I feel ya on that!!! Hip Hop and mainstream dont even go together, if you gonna break it down to its bare essentials. NYC artist are casulties to the machine, the popular ones, the unknown and unsung ones. That machine is Big Business. And its ironic that muthafukka generally resides in the same place.
Its lookin for the the next star at any cost, rainmaker, soul(s) to be sold, and precious entities to consume...worst than an Illinois governor lookin for the highest bidding on a Senatoral seat!!!
The Artist are there!!! They aint never left...ie Joell Ortiz and others like him. But we are constantly being feed the bullshit, and they try to mask it like you would with hot sauce on bland food, by givin us the Jiggas, Nas, and Fiddys....Not good enough anymore. They are established and already have a core base. What about the future???? What something new and efficient??? Cant blame the South. Same shit going on down here in the Atl. Its not looked upon as hard because its supposedly the new Mecca of everything music here. But trust me....alot of good talented acts (here) are getting same treatment or lack there of!!!!

Good shit Jhamal
December 11, 2008 3:53 PM
 

c_a_k said:

I agree with what u said nercity07, very valid and true point .
December 11, 2008 4:01 PM
 

Bootcamp 4life said:

@nercity07

I'm from Jersey and I feel ya about the under 25 cats Cause again I'm 27. I'm like how yall gonna complain when it's ya fault this bullshit is selling so stop living in the past and let the underground artist's float to the top a bit(hopefully without having to bend over to the labels). Cause even Cali got dudes who have an NYC problem look at my boy Evidence "The Weatherman LP" Was an album of the year type but who hear it so it's not about the whole NYC thing Its The Labels & The Radio Fucking up our true hip hop.

P.S. Go Get That Evidence "The Layover EP" Real Hip hop Still Exists Trust Me!!!!!
December 11, 2008 4:02 PM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

@ Crippled Seedz

How can New York fall off when we invented a whole genre of music?
^^^^^^
So I guess blacks will never be better then whites at football or basketball?


@ Reyo

Do y'all own mirrors down there?
^^^^^^^
SMH Yeah I own one in the house that I also own cuzo.


December 11, 2008 4:14 PM
 

ShaloMaktub said:

@ nercity07

like Pac said if Hip Hop was a race for President then NYC only has a few electoral votes. The rest of the Nation has spoken.
^^^^^^
Great point holmes. Pac said that about 14 yrs ago and it's still true today. No one even be on ny like that. NY create hate for they can still feel "in the now". I just seen GhostFace broke @$$ up in midtown at Atlantic Station looking crazy as hell on that thug struggle lol!!! I'll like d@mn homie? Cats was just walking by dude like he was a "J", Why? b/c like most of the haters from up top......we don't hate, we simply don't care. Get a life
December 11, 2008 4:20 PM
 

hotfire82 said:

"Is the North East in need of a down home southern fried rescue? I really hope that isn't the case because tainting the boom bap with leaning and snapping is just ass.  Really, it is"

Damn Shelby keep it stay real in all her articles with some real ass statement and c/s
December 11, 2008 4:30 PM
 

Chi-Town Jay said:

Cresent City Connektor said:
@Jhamal


I feel ya on that!!! Hip Hop and mainstream dont even go together, if you gonna break it down to its bare essentials. NYC artist are casulties to the machine, the popular ones, the unknown and unsung ones. That machine is Big Business. And its ironic that muthafukka generally resides in the same place.
Its lookin for the the next star at any cost, rainmaker, soul(s) to be sold, and precious entities to consume...worst than an Illinois governor lookin for the highest bidding on a Senatoral seat!!!
The Artist are there!!! They aint never left...ie Joell Ortiz and others like him. But we are constantly being feed the bullshit, and they try to mask it like you would with hot sauce on bland food, by givin us the Jiggas, Nas, and Fiddys....Not good enough anymore. They are established and already have a core base. What about the future???? What something new and efficient??? Cant blame the South. Same shit going on down here in the Atl. Its not looked upon as hard because its supposedly the new Mecca of everything music here. But trust me....alot of good talented acts (here) are getting same treatment or lack there of!!!!

Good shit Jhamal

************************************************
Why you gotta be bringin up the Illinois governor tho?  LMBAO
December 11, 2008 4:30 PM
 

K-Caesar said:

@ALL YOU NIGGAS

YOU  ALL ARE WRONG!! IT ALL STARTED WITH BLUES IN THE SOUTH. NEW YORK STARTED HIP-HOP, THE BAY AREA SHOWED EVERYONE HOW TO MAKE MONEY WITH INDEPENDENT HUSTLE FROM HAMMER, TOO SHORT, E40 ETC. THEN DEATH ROW SHOWED EVERYONE HOW TO MAKE MILLIONS WITH MUSIC ON A MAJOR LABEL. THEN BIGGIE AND MASTER P TOOK EVERYTHING TO THEIR REGIONS AND THE SOUTH HAS TAKEN OVER IN NUMBERS BUT NOT QUALITY...GET YOUR HISTORY UP CLOWNS

Are you a New Breed?

http://www.newbreedentertainment.com
December 11, 2008 4:49 PM
 

Bootcamp 4life said:

@Chi-Town Jay

Exactly what I was saying In my 1st Post The NYC Rappers/MC's are out there they  just dealing with the politics of the game Labels, A&R, Payolla etc... To be totally honest 50 Isn't hungry like he was with Get Rich Or Die Tryin' just like Jay-Z I mean he can't be as hungry as he once was when Reasonable Doubt dropped but at least his lyrics dont show it but I give Nas the upmost respect for orginality to get the label to put his videos & album for that matter out when they made him change the name of his album that was great promotion unless the future NYC dudes like Saigon & Joell Ortiz go the indy route & somehow create a buzz. Any1 remember an up & coming NYC rapper named Papoose thats what can happen to ya career if you go for the big money & a major label so what is a real NYC MC to do????? Get Fucked by the labels or stay underground making the music they want to but the pockets wont show it Thats why I will always support my Boot Camp Clik cause Duck Down is a Indy label & yet Buckshot getting money so it can be done.
December 11, 2008 5:02 PM
 

Bootcamp 4life said:

@K-Caesar
Damn son get a life I seen that same post on SOHH.com I mean your kinda right but about the blues & all but we talking why the NYC rappers are damn near extinct that has nothing to do with the blues and where it started it's about why an NYC rapper cant be heard without doing that dumb ignorant ass dancing snap and dance shit thats out now oh & this get a hot R&B dude on ya song for the hook to make it sell so thats what we on why NYC wont do that shit the south does creating dances(When Outkast won they 1st Source Award and they said "The South Got Something to say" I dont think they meant all this autotune,snapping,dancing shit they meant lyrically wise and damn yall south peeps besides Ludacris,T.I., Jeezy and Killer Mike) just to sell and with that I must say I'm no youngin I'm 27 so I know my history b4 yall say I'm biased cause I'm not if you hot you hot from NJ to Cali I will buy it if it's real hip hop. I support the real artists & MC's From Busta Rhymes, Andre 3000, Scarface, To Evidence & Dialted Peoples in Cali I support the real.
December 11, 2008 5:11 PM
 

Affinitiboi said:

New York has long been considered the core of hip hop, and yes, a lot of my fav artists come out of the east....BUT you have to do some research.  Hip hop wouldnt be wht it is now if it werent for the midwest.  It was the airplay out here that put the culture on big time.  In fact, some of the illest new york rappers as well as folks from other regions come here alot and work with several groups from out here.  I live in St. Louis and all everyone talks about naationally is Nelly. He's wack. Point blank period.  He doesnt represent the hip hop movement from here at all.  Now I say all that because New Yorkers can learn alot from us.  You have to be flexible and be willing to stretch boundaries as an artist to really build on what has already been done.  Stl is home to the most labels per city in the nation. everyone adds their style to the game. Some I dig, most I dont; but the variety is what makes this place pop.  Everyone cant sond the same and think you're gonna make an impact.  Thats doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
December 11, 2008 5:36 PM
 

feelitall said:

East Coast rappers have the best lyrics and this is coming from a down souf Mississippi nigga... Karma is a bitch though I rember 15 -17 years ago the only rappers you really heard about from the south was the Geto boyz "The east coast aint playing our songs somebody tell me what the hell is going on"  they spoke about that issue.  
December 11, 2008 6:07 PM
 

Dun2143 said:

we don't need new york to lead the east back to the top it's more to the east then just nyc that's the problem right there everybody waiting on nyc to take over again but they had there time as of new york as a whole blowing up like with nas wu jay boot camp and all kinds of other niggaz that put out hot shit to keep ny on top but at the same time most of the higher paid artist are from nyc jay 50 nas but we got to look out side the box when it come to eastcost rap we got the D.M.V. (dc/md/va) and that doesn't include bodymore (B-more) or as i like to still call it bamaville you got Delaware  Philly so if folkz reaily want the east to come back then don't just count on nyc cuz for the most part them niggaz don't know what they want to do with there self niggaz reppin bloodz crips when that shit happen not to say niggaz not for real bout it where i think they went wrong was at one point everybody was trying to get they hov on no one or atlest no one broke wit a redman flow a smooth the hurstler flow a evrybody big drug dealers super unstoppable kop & rapper killerz until the kopz really get to fuckin someone up and niggaz got to be basically be shown up by a L.A. nigga bout a ny niggaz getting fucked up by kopz in nyc to make a song bout it and who's the ones that buy music in bluk whites they heard it all when it comes to that from n.y niggaz for the most part. but fuck it we got local niggaz doing there thing out here we got gogo and when i fill like bumpin some nyc shit with not having to skip more then 4 song on a 13-15 song album or making a cd out of all the hot shit ny niggaz put out i will have to put a throwback in 93-99 shit to tell you the thruth or maybe it just me


D.M.V. WE GON PUT IT IN UR FACE  
December 11, 2008 6:09 PM
 

Dun2143 said:

and for all that talk rap wouldn't be here if it wasn't for nyc yeah ok but this game is about what have you done for me lately that's like saying if it wasn't for n.w.a. nyc wouldn't be where they are cuz from what i heard growing up is n.w.a. started gangster rap and that's what most niggaz if not all the mainstream niggaz in the rap game do is gangster rap nyc had it's time when almost everything coming out was classic now they gon have to shed some dead weight stop beefing with each other & keep going back to the drawing broad till they get it right
December 11, 2008 6:22 PM
 

the ghost of Robb Nell said:

New York aint went no where.  Jay is still the best and Nas is right next to him.  The difference is that 15 - 20 years ago, there was a such thing as a new style.  Now it seems as if all the styles have been uncovered and the people who are best at them are the only ones who shine.  There are no more unknown flows.  Also, the NY flow has been mastered by other regions and they still maintain their regional credibility, eg Game, Lil Wayne, TI, etc.  Basically people from other regions are better at the NY flow than the up and coming New Yorkers.  NY is also not much in the versitility dept.  They only spit one flow with the exception of Jay-Z and sometimes Nas.  They are predictable in the flow and how they attack the track typically.  With that said, throughout the history of HipHop NY has had an elitist attitude toward the rest of the country/world.  They have looked down on the other regions forever.  The other regions would listen to NY because that's all they had at one point but when the South, West, and Midwest started to strive and sought NY approval, it was not only denied but the hand reaching out for a handshake was literally spit on.  These other places haven't forgotten.  NY is one city but the South, West, and Midwest consist of multiple states.  Now those regions don't need NY for HipHop and alot of the people haven't forgotten.  It's almost like whites and blacks with racism.  NY being the whites and the rest being the blacks.  The rest have realized that they don't need the NY approval or acceptance in order to be successful so therefore they could care less what comes out of NY unless it's extremely hot.  I remember when NY wouldn't even care for it if it was hot but from another region.  Eventually there will be another rapper or producer but right now it's not their turn.
December 11, 2008 6:28 PM
 

Tha Legendary said:

Like usual the south can't be left alone when NY's problems are being discussed. Why do we have  to be reduced to "leaning and snapping" (which is atl)? Even that was a generalization cause I could name a bunch of ATL artists that don't lean or snap. And we damn sure don't do that in TX, unless you 17. Maybe if NY stay focused on NY, they might make some progress. We never hated on NY cats when they were shinin'.....same goes for Cali, GA, LA, or the midwest. All niggas from the east do is hate and call Soulja Boy name, so the rest of the game moved on without them...if you created it...re-create it..It's lonely at what you think is the "top"
December 11, 2008 6:40 PM
 

Way2Kool said:

New York will always be the birth place of Hip-Hop but to say the rest of the country/world is copiers is wrong; every region has made positive/negative contributions to the art form. I'm cool with two biological brothers from Manhattan that moved to the West and these fools think they Master MC's by default because they from New York City; these fools flow, delivery and content is weak.

I've been a fan of Hip-Hop since New York first blessed the world back in the early 80's, but in present time not too many dudes in New York that I bump.  Can't say the same for other regions: The Primeridian (Chicago), Silent Lamb Project(Seattle/Charlotte), Underground Kingz (Houston), Bone Thugs n Harmony (Cleveland), Outkast, Ludacris,etc (Atlanta), Murs (LA), CTA Radio (Pugz Atomz presents Chicago underground), Little Brother (North Carolina), Lifesavas (Portland), Libretto (LA/Portland), Five Deez/Fat Jon (Cincinnati), Myka Nyne (LA), Big Mike (New Orleans), The Grouch (Oakland).

That brother Ras Kass said it best:

Now I'm a rap fan who never saw Bam rock the park
in the Bronx, but I still snap skulls in the dark

You got superiority complex
Based on old statisitics, now listen
Respect due to the pioneers
But what your borough did in 83'
Is ancient history brah'
So why these niggas actin' like
Since they live in the state
That rap originates
They automatically all time greats?
It takes classic material to make phat shit
December 11, 2008 7:24 PM
 

simiaseh_ahh said:

*steps out of the topic for a second
shelby this a well written article
i am not a hardcore fan of hiphop/rap yet you held my attention
keep up the good work
December 11, 2008 7:39 PM
 

Merk said:

Well honestly Once New York Gets a posta child again we will be back.  Im out here working, I know other people out here that make hits on a regular they go to ATL and get show money...no big name in NY where they from so... NY needs to support NY. Thats really the thing. There are People with hits out here... I know 6 strong hit makers, THey need to put something out with good marketing and you'll love it. Shit I have to do the same. Marketing Marketing Marketing!!!

www.myspace.com/merksmilez peep the song "listen" its on my LP im dropping for free in Jan. Marketing... Marketing Marketing... easy 1
December 11, 2008 9:27 PM
 

SPATE Magazine All Day said:

The reason NYC fell off is because the South started doing party music and NYC doesn't do a lot of party music its mostly lyrical with classic beats. The kids started buying the party music and that cut NYC out. NYC has to start doing party music or wait till people get tired of it and that may be about another 5-10 years. Pop and snap music is what killed NYC they just don't do that.

SPATE MAGAZINE WAS HERE
http://www.spatemag.com



December 11, 2008 9:34 PM
 

IceDrippinz said:

Just about everybody here got it wrong. NY never fell off; it's just the media has turned a blind eye to NY music: radio and video shows. When it comes to talent, Brooklyn by itself has more talent than the entire South. It's just like when the West Coast thought they had the shit locked. NY came back strong. It's all media bullshit. It takes the entire country to go against one city and NY is still the most poppin'. Don't bite the hand niggas.The South always been in the game. Niggas act like the South started with T.I and Jeezy.
December 11, 2008 9:51 PM
 

out_of_ga said:

As a fan of hip-hop and a fan of the south, I can identify with Shellz. Here are the reasons NYC is falling short.

1. We don't see the rappers on a stage in their videos rocking crowds. It sounds trivial, but I miss that- I like the stripped down videos with no plots or huge budgets.

2. The NYC rappers hate eachother. No one can come out on a major hit from NYC and get major love from other NYC rappers.

3. Where is the scratching, that used to be my favorite part of songs back in the day.

4. A lot of your major artists out of NY are such success stories, that they bring in a team of proteges to mentor-but don't mentor them. The reason why is because the mentors are still rapping or trying to break into acting, so the next thing happening never gets to happen. How do you mentor somebody effectively when you are steady touring and marketing your own stuff??!!!

5. You point to the South, but remember the South is way more than snap/dance music. What you hear on the radio is mostly club stuff. Note that before the overly club, bounce, dance, snap, crunk phase- we had Eightball/MJG, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Scarface, UGK, etc. We had our style of chill, old-school, pimpish sound down here. The artists I mentioned above could make songs that made you get excited in the club, but lyrically they impressed you. It was like they focused on the craft and the entertainment. NYC is missing the passion for the craft.

6. You celebrate mediocrity from your NYC rappers just because of their names. I won't name any names, but the NYC rapper puts out a club hit and that's all they have to do to sustain?

7. The mixed tapes and the buzz from NY don't really circulate like they used to. I used to know and anticipate DJ's putting out certain mixed tapes and now it seems like the mixed tape isn't king anymore.

8. Quit looking to the South for the scapegoat. We are not the only people buying the records from the Southern artists. Own up to the personal responsibility of creating exciting material.

9. Quit watering down the lyrics. East Coast rap used to be so grimy and raw. Redman, Method, Onyx, etc. It wasn't about selling and marketing. Get back to putting the business of creativity first.

10. Pluck unknown edgy tracks to rap over. I love my popular producers, but quit using them so we can get some variety.

11. Record deals are too easy to come by for the average rapper. That screws up the quality of hip hop. Consumers should demand more and listeners should stop buying generic mess.

12. NY should get excited about their artists. The excitement is contagious. You all frequently come down to Atlanta and hang with us, but you aren't excited about your own so you don't sell it to us.

13. NYC should do a better job of promoting their internet radio shows that support hip hop so that people from other regions can log in.

14. Stop whining on youtube. I have seen too many rappers air their beef out, complain, or blast a former colleague or associate. Now you have me thinking that your marketing plan is about evoking sympathy from me.

15. Please bring back the back-and-forth tag team style or rapping.


December 11, 2008 9:56 PM
 

IceDrippinz said:

Here's the difference between the North and the South: in NY, if ah nigga wack, we say the nigga wack. Like, everybody knows Puff is trash on the mic. But in the South, niggas will co-sign a rapper just cause they from the same hood regardless if he spittin' nursery rhymes. If you wack you don't deserve to eat off this. There are some nice rappers from the South, but most of the ones you hear and see on tv are garbage and that's why real niggas can't accept it.

I can't consistently hit a 20 foot jumper, so why should I get a 100 million dollar contract. That's like ah bench warmer gettin' Lebron money.
December 11, 2008 10:03 PM
 

carlitov said:

when did NY niggas start acting like bitches? when NY was on top everbody was showing love. NORE ain't the greatest rapper, but niggas were vibing with him. now that NY is on bottom NY can't show any love? and fuck all that, i got love for the South shit, but it ain't NY. here's a little secret: other regions felt the same way when you were popping bottles and showing no love to the other areas. just like Black people wanted to see a Black President, other regions wanted to identify with cats from they region too. they wanted to hear their story as much as hearing NY's. the South clawed its way in the game on some hustle shit. major labels weren't fucking with us. now that we getting a little shine down here, and still showing artists from NY and other areas love, these cats turn around and sneak diss on the low. that song Everybody Hates Chris by Luda describes you niggas perfect. it's all love until the nigga leave the room. i never thought NY would turn bitch like that. whatever happened to just standing up on your own two and making your own way. now you crying to radio! Radio didn't play Hip Hop back in the day, but ya'll kept it moving until they had no choice but to fuck with you; now you begging for help! WTF NY? MAKE MUSIC AND STOP WAITING FOR ANOTHER MF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. I THOUGHT YA'LL LOVED THIS SHIT? it didn't pay you as much as you think you're worth and you declared it dead, and you wonder why it ain't loving you back right now.

there isn't any diversity in the south? t.i., jeezy, rick ross, ludacris, killa mike, alfamega, all have the same sound? that's not even mentioning the music coming out of FL or Texas. i love hip hop, and if NY artists make it big again, i'm gonna keep rocking to it just like i was listening to Redman, Scarface, Wu Tang, Outkast, Biggie, Tupac, Dr. Dre, etc...i'm still feeling a lot of NY cats, but i'm also feeling them Philly cats and other regions too.
December 12, 2008 12:09 AM
 

streeterparker said:

OUTKAST OUTKAST OUTKAST OUTKAST! LUDA and OUTKAST WAYNE(carter 1-2), OUTKAST, TI, OUTKAST, TEXAS, oh and SCARFACE OUTKAST! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE STOP HATIN!
December 12, 2008 1:13 AM
 

billy_gramz said:

in a few years the new generation will have grown and matured a little and maybe THEIR HIP HOP won't be dead. To those of us who know better...it doesn't matter. The same people who took "hip hop is dead" and ran wit it are the same people who took "Biggie know who shot you," and "East vs West Coast" and ran wit it...so the moral of the story is...MIND ELEVATION
December 12, 2008 6:33 AM
 

official216 said:

I'M FROM CLEVELAND SO MY COMMENTS R NOT BIASED @ ALL.

I think NY MC's aren't dead or finished the majority of them are either stubborn or just stupid!!! Im sorry I got hella respect for the rappers from NY who continue to stay relevent during this Southern Takeover(Fab,Jada,Jay,50,Banks,Max B,Jim Jones) but rap isn't chess it's fuck#n checkers man. The Economy f*cked up and more and more ni**az is dyin everyday. So the majority of people now adays want to escape that mindset as much as possible. Thats why NY rappers wit all them shoot em up bang bang punches aint sellin. Those punches dont carry weight no more cuz n*ggaz is dyin like that foreel and n*ggaz is tired of hearin about that shit in songs like that whats cool, that sh*t aint cool that sh*t fuc*ed up. So hearing some weak ass beat with no bounce or no flavor and hearing some wanna be tuff ni@*a talkin about how many body's he got is irelevant.

The most obvious reason NY aint sellin is because they act like they too East Coast to party. I aint never bean to a club and scene people go hard when a fu*ckin wu-tang song or saigon or joel ortiz etc. H*'s wanna shake they ass in club and im sorry but NY niggaz is not makin em do it man. Thats why Gucci, UGK, 3-6 Mafia, Wayne, Jeezy,Webbie, Boosie etc. is poppin right now cuz they make muf*ckas wanna dance, ride candy paint, Rim up and sh*t like that instead of just bobbin they fu*ckin head in some rome fulla n*ggaz talkin about did you hear that line. That's why Jim eatin he from the NY but he make songs that Ho's wanna shake to, ya dig.
December 12, 2008 8:20 AM
 

DONCARLO718 said:

NEW YORK HIP-HOP SCENE IS COMPLEX. NEW YORK HIP-HOP NEVER REALLY HAD COMMERCIAL APPEAL LIKE WHAT U HEARING FROM THE SOUTH (JUMPING AND SNAPPING), IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HARD BODY EVEN WHEN IT MAKE CHICKS SHAKE THERE ASS.BEEF ALWAYS BEEN PART OF NEW YORK HIP-HOP. AND ANYONE LOOKING AT BET,MTV,LISTENING TO RADIO STATIONS THINKS THAT'S WHAT HIP-HOP HAVE TO OFFER THEN YA DON'T SHIT ABOUT HIP-HOP ESPECIALLY NEW YORK CITY HIP-HOP. MIMS, CHICK DODDLE SOUP BS IS NOT REAL NEW YORK CITY HIP-HOP. ANYONE TALKING ABOUT NYC RAP NEED TO COME TO NYC AND EXPERIENCE REAL HIP-HOP, THE MECCA (UNDERGROUND HIP-HOP)... BUT AS A WHOLE I'M GLAD THE SOUTH IS DOING THERE THING, ANY REGION THAT'S PUTTING HIP-HOP ON THE MAP INTERNATIONALLY I'M WITH IT BECAUSE I LOVE HIP-HOP.
December 12, 2008 10:38 AM
 

TOhDOubleD said:

I belive that hip hop will come back around to that original flavor some cats are doing it already. but just liek teh east/west beef its all the media. once the media gets a hold of something the backbone is torn out and it takes time to put that shit back together. hip hop is worldwide now.

Its not where your from its about where your at north south east west good music is good music trash will always be there trying to keep up

peace
December 12, 2008 10:55 AM
 

official216 said:

@DONCARLO718

I think you made allot of good points about the NY rap scene as a whole. But there is a contrary to allot of your points. Comercial success has nothing to do with your dance it's about the following that you create and the media being willing or unwilling to display your talent to prospectfull buyers. This shit is buisness. Southern Rappers Go "Hard Body" its just another word for it it's called "Goin Hard in the Paint" Jeezy dont dance, pimp C wasn't dancin and neither do Project Pat but they make the club go crazy every time. They also dont over exagerate they gangster to a point that makes the music sound unrealistic.  Pimp C was and still is a King in Hip-Hop and he's from Port Arthur TX. In my eyes real hip hop is truthfull hip-hop so a planned/fake beef or outrageously tuff guy punches is some fake shit man. Thats why when niggaz get locked up and do real time they lyrics change so dramaticly cuz when it aint no gunz to grab and you gotta survive with you mind and two fist those super tuff raps get thrown away.      
December 12, 2008 11:39 AM
 

cocacolaclassic said:

juelz and jay only ppl poppin in the ny
December 12, 2008 12:28 PM
 

BenSwag said:

"I tend to think of the NYC absence in the Hip-Hop mainstream as our fault.  It's like putting grandma in a home and never going to visit her."


wow....
December 12, 2008 1:04 PM
 

Spellbound said:

I give all due props and respect to NY for hip hop, and i'm from the westcoast. Born and raised. I grew up on Rock and Classical Music but i remember the first time i really got into hip hop was when i listened to Wu Tang. Their Samples, the production...i mean damn talk about dark and grimey. It was something that appealed to me. I remember buying 36 chambers, Triumph, Raekwon "Built 4 Cuban Links", Method Man Tical, Nas, biggie...etc. They caught my attention and even influenced my production style. It has def been a minute since NY has made some significant impact in Hip Hop lately, then again the same can be said about the West..shit all we have is Snoop, and i'm just guessing because no one really reps the west anymore like that.
But hey this is about NY and like i said, i am praying and patiently waiting for The East to get back in the forefront of things thats for sure. No disrespect to the south, but it's time to Sit the fuck down and take a breather. I believe it's going to take some hot producers to really put NY back on the map. We need some hot tracks that will challenge Radio stations and force them to play something different.
Just my opinion.
December 12, 2008 1:44 PM
 

JAH JAH said:

I can tell u something..
NEW YORK RAP AINT DYING OUT!!
WE GOT LOVE FOR YOU biGggie


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWD-PjojDm0&feature=PlayList&p=45F3650B4014AF86&index=0
December 12, 2008 2:10 PM
 

TexasBoi39 said:

No disrespect but NY rappers been off the scene for a hot minute now... You can't say NY is running the game if yall can only rely on one, two, or three niggas to hold it down for the entire NY. East and West held it down for a minute then phased out. Ever since Outkast came through and kicked the door in for the Souf in 96' it's been the Souf turn to hold it down... sooner or later we will fade out and it will get back on on the East or West. So until then YOU STUCK WITH US!!! Reppin Da Souf All Day Er' Day!!!
December 12, 2008 2:45 PM
 

EhustleYall said:

Without discussing the blatant corporate influence and total "sell outness" of hip hop the dynamics of supply and demand trends and culture movements its hard to even scratch the surface but I will make an attempt to speak from and end user and not an insider..New York has lost its ability to change with the times to adapt to an ever evolving music form that will never stay the same. To dumb it down YAll are way to hard and way to confusing to make it more than local..Case in point THE WU TANG CLAN I love these guys I really do but half the time you don't understand what the F*@& there talking about its all inside Slang that those who live outside the NY area cant relate to. If they would just pick a subject say it in plain English put it to a beat it would sell but the complexity is to high to sell to the masses. And don't get me started with the gun talk MC's its a shame all that talent and all you can muster up is that!! Combine that to the fact that there is a greater emphasis on battling than making good songs compounded by the inability to think anyone outside of your little world could be just as good no matter where there from makes for a dying local scene. My advice as strange as it sounds is BE LIKE JAY-Z! He will work with everybody north south east and west and he does not only work with them he listens to there sound and makes his music relevant by keeping his ear to the street by working with who's hot, on topic and fresh. He is musical Pallet is much wider his message crosses state lines his subjects are simple easy to understand and the beats are always hot! Take that with a hell of a marketing team and you too can rep NY in the way Big did. And for heavens sake show other emotions besides ANGER! Questions comments get at me at rapphustle@gmail.com
December 12, 2008 3:01 PM
 

LexDiamondz said:

\\\someone run wit me for a minute. you absolutely right, Ny is the birthplace of hip-hop, no one will disagree, but after readin the article & a couple of comments here it looks like this article is separating more than uniting. it shouldnt matter where u come from, history is already written, if we a culture then as a culture we should grow right?, i dunno jus some thoughts for yall. wat u think?///
December 12, 2008 3:29 PM
 

Kalibur said:

shelz said:
@kappagem...

i really dont see anything horrifically biased about this piece.  i didnt say there was anything wrong with any regions music. and im not a huge fan of regionalism either.  thats the point.  if folks simply listened to and purchased music based on quality not region, wouldnt the love be spread thinner?  i have no issue with the south. im just curious as to why you all think the NE isnt getting the attention that some feel they deserve.  and this is the editorial section so i am entitled to be biased.  i just wasnt biased today. :)
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Shelz sounded a lilttle hot under the collar for a second there homie.. Woo-sah Shelz....lol.

But for real--I'm enjoying reading everybody's responses to this article. Its so good I haven't even checked out the Rumors section today like I usually do.

We need MORE topics like this...but to add to the discussion.

I dont see NY dominating the game anytime soon, honestly, it kinda feels old unless the production is crazy hot. Other than that it feels old. And I hated that Hi Hater beat---I like the Hook but the beat sounded like some old Mc Hammer type stuff--I could NOT dig it.

NY will be back a couple of years from now but until then...the South--RUN It!!! Just accept it and wait your turn. We didnt disrespect ya'l when we was waiting in Line....
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December 12, 2008 3:41 PM
 

Kalibur said:

SPATE Magazine All Day said:
The reason NYC fell off is because the South started doing party music and NYC doesn't do a lot of party music its mostly lyrical with classic beats. The kids started buying the party music and that cut NYC out. NYC has to start doing party music or wait till people get tired of it and that may be about another 5-10 years. Pop and snap music is what killed NYC they just don't do that.

SPATE MAGAZINE WAS HERE
http://www.spatemag.com
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Excuse me--If I recall the first POPULAR dance record came out of NEW YORK in the form of a record called "LEAN BACK" from a NEW YORK rapper named Fat Joe---wayyyy before Atl introduced "snap music." The south took that concept of "leaning" and added a Snap--therefore making the dance a little more enternaining than just leaning your shoulders.

So---for all you who keep saying the south is all about leaning and snapping----The first commercial dance record came from NEW YORK with a hook called "LEAN BACK."

Quit Hating!!!! Get you paper man and stop whining. (And Im not talking to anyone in particular but to any one who makes that type of statement.)
December 12, 2008 4:12 PM
 

shelz said:

@kalibur...

naw, its all healthy debate.  well, most of it.  i expect and accept dissention when i post something.  i just dont want anyone to misunderstand the posts.  believe me, i learn from the good and the bad and its all appreciated.
December 12, 2008 4:27 PM
 

krazedpoetess said:

New Yorkers always cryin bout somethin
December 12, 2008 4:39 PM
 

HDiggyHi-Def said:

NY Extinct? Never.  I just wrote a rhyme the other day, and 2 bars I put said,

`They sayin HipHop is dead, but its underground/ I guess its buried alive, wit a muffled sound...`

Thats why we cant hear the real HipHop.
December 12, 2008 8:38 PM
 

Suburban_Reject said:

Eh, for all this talk about New York owning the industry, being the industry... it's all bullshit. Universal and Atlantic own the fuckin industry. These cats who "own labels" run under the big companies' umbrellas like fuckin Rihanna to sell they tracks. It's the upper class of this country that owns the industry at the moment.

Independent's where it's at, and when it comes to independent hip hop, the real MCs, I think the East Coast has more talent and volume than the other places. There's mad people in Houston, Detroit, Atlanta, LA, all doin their thing too, but I think NY brings it in this scene.

And New York will never fall off as long as my dude Immortal Technique reps Harlem. VIVA LA REVOLUCION
December 12, 2008 8:41 PM
 

HDiggyHi-Def said:

And I just signed up to AHH but im not new. Im just glad I can comment now.  And just for the record...Ima BK nigga but I listen to rap from all regions of this country. Of course NY is home base but I listen to ATL, STL, Houston, Louisiana, Tennesse, ChiTown, The D, and of course the big west coasters...basically I listen to all niggas. I dont discriminate. Im not bias. And Im very HATERFREE. A spade is a spade. Blue is blue. And a hoe is a hoe. It is what it is. And if your music has no depth, its not exactly wack, it just cant be ranked with the best.
-HDiggy-
December 12, 2008 8:47 PM
 

CharVeZ said:

Too busy hatin on tha south...and aint that many new rappers from new york with talent and we sick of deez old ass niggaz like Nas!
December 12, 2008 10:34 PM
 

Bignick112076 said:

Maaannnn please stop fuckin talkin about the NY. Damn yall niggas are so fuckin bitter, yall act like that one fuckin person in high school that keeps buggin and buggin. The truth is yall niggas just dont want nobody to have any shine but the NY. Yall hated on the West and Now the South. The South and West aint never had any real beef we jam they shit when they were hot just like we jammed the East when yall were hot. The only difference is the West worked with the South and gave us love but yall just hated and hated and fuckin hated some more. "Oh if Big didnt die or Pun or so and so we would be on top" Stop using that same fuckin excuse and let other niggas eat. The Lox are dead, Jada got punked and then wanted to work with 50, Joe stabbed his crew in the back, Nas fucked up by letting Jay influence him, DMX, well enough said about him. Yall might hate us with the dance songs, the commercial songs and even the Texas Swag songs but damn if you dont like it stop listening to your fuckin radio and hide in a damn cave and get your LL Tapes, Biggie, Pun and all them other niggas and listen to it by yourself. The South aint did shit to yall niggas, yall jacked our swag our slang and now yall hate that your favorite rapper is doing our thang and not yours. SO LIKE PAC SAID FUCK THE EAST COAST.
December 12, 2008 10:53 PM
 

HDiggyHi-Def said:

@ Bignick

Jacked south slang? Jacked West slang? First of all, if your thorough, you should be able to understand all HipHop slang from all regions. Secondly, NY has more slang than anybody. I been around. We stay makin up new slang, always.

As far as jackin the West, yeah the West made gangsta rap popular. But its thugs and gangstas everywhere. You sayin niggas cant talk about their hood? The most notorious Gs came from NY and Chicago wit the Italians organized crime.

We all share this HipHop culture. Thats like sayin, nobody else can rap cause it started in the BX. Bottom line...the culture is universal and is definitely worldwide.

To stay on topic, unlike most, NY would never be extinct. Everybody gets their run. Just answer the questions and stop changin the subject. State your answer and make your point. All this bickerin and gettin mad on the internet is crazy...hehe.

Holla!!

P.S. If niggas really wanted to publicly have a rap off....NY has too many spitters. A lot of your favorites couldnt rock so...have fun wit the radio.
December 12, 2008 11:52 PM
 

bkzyoung said:

I do agree with the fact that the absence of Nyc in hip hop is our fault...There is no support what so ever between different artist coming out of nyc unless your getting support from your camp,but even within your camp there is that one hater who isn't supportive of you.....Its a whole different ball game in the south!!!Everyone shows support...You could be the wackest rapper and still get support down there!!!

The greats came out of here....I don't need to mention names....There is just no support what so ever and too many hood rappers trying to sell there mixtape all over downtown brooklyn and times square.....GIVE IT UP!!!! GO GET A DAY JOB!!!

I think that there is still a lot of great rappers in New York City...I know a couple myself....And if you dont believe me here's one...Don Chi,one of the illest up and coming dudes from Brooklyn!!! YES BROOKLYN!!!

Im not going to continue to brag about him,go see for yourself... myspace.com/chidadon

If you beg to differ holla at me!!!!

To finish things off there is hope for hip hop in New York City....

Peace and love....

-A.
December 13, 2008 4:56 AM
 

K-dub 818 said:

Its all the fault of the Major Labels. Most of the major labels, in both NYC and L.A.. are pushing that commercial bullshit, and don't support the lyricists anymore. That's why I don't listen to the radio and tend to listen to artists that are underground. Like Termanology, Skills, Black Thought; etc. I thought perhaps Saigon was gonna put NYC back on the map, but his label fuked him up. Shoulda released him when he starred on ENTOURAGE!!! Would have been PERFECT TIMING!!! But hey, maybe NY will come back. They had their time, as did L.A., as did the South, and did Texas, the Bay Area; etc.
December 13, 2008 9:16 AM
 

K-dub 818 said:

The midwest as well had their time. Of course, it had a L.A. connection. Bone Thugs N Harmony, Eminem, D-12, Obie, even Royce becsme known though the connections with Eazy-E and Dr. Dre. Twista kinda did his own thing. Only Kanye had the NY connection.
December 13, 2008 9:21 AM
 

Bugsz said:

im from NY so i feel lyk its jus cuz we need a need anotha big tyme rapper 2 come along lyk wen G-unit came thru lyk the south is hot now they got multiple ppl down there we jus need ppl up hea feel me
December 13, 2008 3:16 PM
 

Intelekt said:

New York never went anywhere, but there's too many damn rappers out now PERIOD, especially in NY, and a lot of NY rappers and crews are out for themselves and wanna diss the other people. It aint cool. I'm in NY, Long Island, and I know. It's stupid. "We're hotter than those dudes. Fuck them." "I wanna be the top white rapper in Long Island. No one else can take that spot." That was the WORST I heard. A dude beefin with other people cause of fuckin skin color. Stupid shit, man. Again, it's like Scarface said, there's more suppliers than customers now.

Music is officially, EVERYWHERE from EVERYONE. It's not special to be a musician nowadays. It's great that everyone has the opportunity to make music because music's a beautiful thing (well, it can be). At the same time though, EVERYONE wants to be a fuckin star nowadays. I'm sick of it. How do you get noticed when it used to be one in a million, and now it's more like one in a BILLION??? I truly believe I'm talented as hell, but you know what? If I'm competing against hundreds of other dudes for attention just IN MY OWN COUNTY.. I'm in trouble. We all are. And quality should show over quantity right? Well, not if people are constantly getting bombarded with music. "Hey, listen to my demo!" Yeah, yeah... everybody's got a fuckin demo, whatever.. and you get thrown in the trash. Even on the internet... How many people got a MySpace music page? tens of millions of mutha fuckaz.

Also, like others have pointed out, music's become a hustle, and not necessarily a PASSION. For a decade or so, rap music was really making HUGE money, and since it got easier for people to make rap music, people FLOCKED to it to try and get rich themselves. You think 50 Cent would have ever thought about being a rapper if the biggest rappers ever got was going gold? I bet he probably wouldn't have. I'd say the same for Young Jeezy (no disrespect), Rick Ross, Soulja Boy, Maino, Uncle Murda, etc. etc. A lot of these cats to me, even if they're good, seem more like hustlers than actual musicians. Jeezy used to say it himself, and shit, I like Jeezy, but "I'm a hustler who just happens to rap" or whatever. The passion for music is dead because the passion for MONEY overshadowed it. It's another double-edged sword cause cats like Jeezy, T.I., BIG, etc. got out of the illegal life and drugs and shit because of music. I mean, it's good of course. I don't want people to be drug dealers. But at the same time, if you have dudes who strictly try to make a reputation off of their "street cred," the music suffers. Biggest example that I hate right now... MAINO AND UNCLE MURDA. These dudes are garbage, dog. I don't care what people say. I remember hearing about these dudes years ago, and dudes were talking about how Maino punched this dude, or Uncle Murda really gets it in in the streets and he got bodies... yeah, BUT CAN THEY RAP? NO.

Saigon is one of the illest doin it in NY by the way. Papoose was dope too, but his buzz died and he fell off the face of the fuckin Earth.



Wow... that's one hell of a rant.
December 14, 2008 12:54 AM
 

v4vendetta said:

um Let's all hold our breath and see if Maino, Uncle Murder and Mims are going to rescue Hip Hop.
December 14, 2008 11:13 AM
 

tupacfan35 said:

NY Rap died with biggie and big pun and it hasn't been the same.
December 14, 2008 12:23 PM
 

lexxmc said:

first off everytime i hear the south get dissed it comes from some disgruntled assed new yorkie.....my wife from cypress hiil pj's wich i think is in brooklyn she had the same disses till she moved down south with me.........first off half the southern rappers could give a fuck bout ny we think all yall are carbon copies of jz nas biggie....i remeber a few yrs ago when every ny artist i heard that wasnt established sounded like jigga or they into that concious rap bullshit i felt killa mike when he said it was rather wack and half the niggas didnt practice what they preached  new yorkie emcees are snobbish unrightfully so even when they aint famous they still manage to be dickheads i mean damn dont get mad cause nobody gives a fuck about battlerappin and beef 4 real nobody told yall to develop such an exquisite taste 4 hateraide or keep trying to push the next whoever and plus the big labels are ny but guess who they coming to for music?....the south we may be cookie cutter but at least we do make songs 4 real no matter how silly they may be everthing aint meant to be all deep and wordy nor is everything supposed to be dope related im just glad the same niggas who swore us in the south were too slow n country to come up are feeling the same way all us country boys did when we watched hatin assed ny diss outkast @ the source awars all those yrs ago
December 16, 2008 11:38 PM
 

lexxmc said:

Yo fuck new york on the real yeah back in the early and mid nineties i loved that shit but it was ll that we could here from outside our region yall niggas make as much corny music as anybody thats why yall always relying on has been assed niggas time changed but ny didnt change with time now yall fuck niggas way behind i feel like this about ny cause im old enuff to remeber how yall niggas belittled all other coast booing niggas just causese they aint from ny and shit thats fuck nigga syndrome if i aint never seen it yall try to blame the south for killing hip hop first off it aint dead its maturing aging and changin with time yeah not all music now is good music but at least niggas puttin out some shit and not cryin about what they aint gettin here in the south niggas used to be on that booty shaking shit cause only a few of us were let thru the door to show tryue emceeing skills we got best here in the south too yall just to busy hating to here them so fuck ny yall the same bullshit assed hatin niggas yall was ten fifteen yrs ago thats why yall fell off and nobody but yall gives a fuck get back on that ol 1992 boom bap shit and c how far yall go with it why you think niggas on different shit nowdays lol.........Yall NY niggas slay me trying to use ur city's name to put urself head and shoulders above the rest do you know how many ny niggas we stomped out when i was younger for that famous phrase "IM FROM NEW YORK! like niggas was supposed to fear the city's name or something fuck yall foogazy assed nigga lol tell em why u mad son!
December 18, 2008 10:40 PM
 

yung_chief said:

Wow! There sure are some long and strong opinions on here.  Here's mine.

Of course everybody gota pay homage to ny and the whole eastcoast for obvious reasons but to me it look like a whole rapper racism going on. i dnt mean no disrespect to no one but i think there r a few reasons the power shifted. the 1st is basically evolution. the production style from the east coast and the style from the south was going to eventually blend in and to me the south took that step first. from our point of view this was in the process for a little while before it actually happened but when it did ny may have divided to much to defend. i personally love all hip hop, rap, snap, crunk, country rap, east coast, mid west, west, and southern rap but things change and they will continue to. as far as ny coming back, i dont think they ever left. they just have to evolve with the rest of the world. mo power to u. as far as being angry at the south. thats a messed up emotion to have especially when we can all get this money.

i kept it real but still chill.
December 22, 2008 2:23 PM
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