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The Real Reason For Hip-Hop's Declining Sales :The Death of Music Retail

Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:32 AM | 73 comments
By That Retail Chick

Editor's note: The views expressed inside this editorial aren't necessarily the views of AllHipHop.com or its employees.

Hip-Hop, there is a need for me to be serious and state some facts that may encourage you to do things a little differently.

 

 At a very rapid pace, music retail is dying.  There are many reasons for this and we have our opinions on where to point the fingers.   Right now that is not important.  However, it is very important for you to know what genre of music this death will affect first.

 

Hip Hop is probably the most influential type of music there is.  It has more than put its stamp on pop culture.  But that is not good enough, because it is getting harder to find your favorite new hip hop disc in stores.  Here are a few examples of what is happening to Hip Hop.

 

    * Last week, Wale came out to a harsh reality.  He thought he was hot, but some non traditional music retailers thought he was not and therefore bought very little to absolutely none of his debut cd.  Fans relied on twitter to point them in the direction of the nearest music store to find Attention Deficit. (#attentiondeficit)

 

 

 

    * A couple of weeks ago, Rick Ross's group Triple C's came out and sold a little over 12,000 copies.  About 70% of these were sold at traditional/independent music stores.

 

 

 

    * After calling three Mass Merchants inside the city of Atlanta, none of them had the newest Lil' Boosie Cd.  It was released on September 15, 2009.  They pull you off the shelf pretty fast there huh?  (While on that call a customer asked for the Wale CD, I told the employee to send him to the West End.  She relayed the message and said..."We never got that CD.")

 

 

 

    * Then I decided to go on a hunt for an underground artist.  Brooklyn MC Skyzoo's debut release "The Salvation" was only available at 1 Mass Merchant out side the city of Atlanta.  But they could not locate the disc in the store.

 

 

It is very important for me to say that this is not a shot at any store, record label, or artist.  This is the harsh reality of the situation you may be in if you are a hip hop artist.  And it is even more unforgiving if you are a hip hop fan.

 

 

70-80% of hip hop music is sold physically in stores and not digitally online.  Where does that leave the artist with the major record deal if there is no music store and one mass merchant?  Where does that leave the artist that just needs distribution if there is no music store and one mass merchant?  Last but certainly not least, where does that leave the fan that just wants to go to the store and find their favorite new Hip-Hop CD? 

 

 

I do believe that things will change one day.  Change is inevitable.  However as we wait for change to take place, Hip Hop will suffer.  The real question is will it be able to survive?

 

 

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Comments

 

Water Ur Seeds said:

Yeh its terrible... I couldnt get the Slaughterhouse CD ANYWHERE in the
November 25, 2009 6:28 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

Yeh its terrible... I couldnt get the Slaughterhouse CD ANYWHERE in the UK... I went tracing round and phoning stores, coz I wanted it the day it came out... I was so pissed off I emailed Koch/E1 lol I ended up getting it off Amazon and hadnt to wait fckin ages for it... All the online UK stores that had it on there website like HMV for example all had the CD marked as out of stock...
November 25, 2009 6:30 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

I HATE mp3's, and digital downloading, even if its legal... I refuse to do it, when I get an album, I want to physicaly buy, hold it and open the wrapper, check the booklet and album credits etc... Then put it in My collection/cd rack... Thats why I aint got a Nipsey Hustle mixtape, coz all his fckin mixtapes on Amazon are digital downloads, its bullshitt for music fans who dont like downloading... The only time I download, it one off tunes that are rare and not available, or tunes you cant buy anywhere

FCK THE DIGITAL/MP3 AGE... Buy the CD, and then load it into your Ipod/Itunes...

Keep Wax and CD's alive!!!!!!!!!!!
November 25, 2009 6:30 AM
 

falconzeye said:

I know this may be a bit far fetched but alot of people were overly pissed by the kanye/taylor swift thing whos to say the powers that be have begun to pull the big pocket strings to attempt to phase our type of music out?

just a thought because there's more than one way to skin a cat
November 25, 2009 6:48 AM
 

dollabeelz said:

@water your seeds - you have to come to CDBAR stratford(east london) we had slaughterhouse a week before it came out in the US! plus we got everything else under the moon, call us 0208 555 4737..most stores dont stock that kinda hiphop coz they dont know it, we do, we actually listen to it. come see us
November 25, 2009 8:24 AM
 

charizma said:

hey author chick... u sound like chicken little...the sky is falling!!!! help!!!!!!lol
November 25, 2009 8:25 AM
 

Stand_Alone said:

@falconzeye

Minus it being because of Taylor Swift, I wonder that sometime myself. If you keep promoting wack criminal orientated music and let it influence, people will indulge and after it causes some negativity, you could turn around and say

"...seeeee that hip hop ish is no good. See what they doin/sayin?"

Kind of like droppin crack off in the hood knowin that someone will pick it up and kill themselves with it and someone will sell it to make money killing others, because all of the people inside the area are suffering. Good way to keep blood and blame off your hands. This technique is used a lot if you peep game.

Besides, I think katz trying to bring Rock back at Hip Hop's expense. Thats why you see the collabs and gear being promoted through Hip Hop. Cant have this predominately black music taking the globe by storm....its got to be our sh!t the world is in love with.
November 25, 2009 8:48 AM
 

Hoeyuno said:

Yea its tough trying to find good music in the stores these days. And its not just hip hop, music stores aint purchasing anything that is not top 10 local radio crap.
November 25, 2009 8:53 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

dollabeelz said:
@water your seeds - you have to come to CDBAR stratford(east london) we had slaughterhouse a week before it came out in the US! plus we got everything else under the moon, call us 0208 555 4737..most stores dont stock that kinda hiphop coz they dont know it, we do, we actually listen to it. come see us


Safe bro, I will check you out... Im in East this weekend, I will try come thru... This may sound stupid, but when record stores get CD's in A week early do the artists still get the points, I was thinking because can you still run the CD's thru the cash register if they album aint officially released yet???
November 25, 2009 9:47 AM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

Retail Chick,

you're wrong.

There are enough people who sell. but everybody
who uses the same formula as 10 years ago, fails
and labels are not giving newcomers a shot.

Beef hurts sales. It helped 10 years ago.
But nowadays people are tired of that. They
know all those images are fake and Rap Music became

the WWE on an audio disc.

Let it go down for now, so that all those fake mofos
can jump ship. So that we can reassemble and restart
the matrix
November 25, 2009 9:57 AM
 

doclvly said:

"the only thing certain is change" - Heraclitus

what, thought you were going to keep it all to yourselves. Hip hop fans GROW UP. EVERY large genre that has had any success i.e. rock, indie music, funk, jazz, metal, has...

A. Been imitated around the worl e.x. Japanese/brazillian/African funk.
B. Gotten so big it has sub genres

we have to face it. She grew up fast, but hip hop is almost as big as rock, and the information age has made it far more reaching.

put your jesus chains down, its called evolution.

November 25, 2009 10:12 AM
 

doclvly said:

p.s.

@water your seeds - stop being an old coot. I agree cd/vinyl collection is a must. but this is the way things work. and if you knew anything about digital music you would know you don't have to be confined to .mp3 or the quality at which your computer copies it.

i think vinyl should be elevated to the level of fine art honestly, presented like you would a painting or a sculpture (except you take it out to listen sometimes with cds taking the place as the collectors format.

wanna see a good example of people giving away music and still collecting heavy, look up what nine inch nails did with the ghost album. They made  a half a mil with no label (and there not that good)

the games done changed

@falconzeye
VERY far fetched. country music doesn't have power (make money) like that. The rich white (and other rich) people love hip hop, they're making 3-4 times more profit than the rappers make off their albums.
November 25, 2009 10:23 AM
 

djcbz said:

It time for a change in hiphop & the way we live!
Something need to die to make way for a brighter future!
People have lost there minds!
Reality check is way over due!
November 25, 2009 10:32 AM
 

HOT97 said:

HOT97 SAYS:Its not the CD itself but its the content..Secondly alot of people no longer have CD players, that stuff is on its way out..
And thanks to twitting, and other stuff to that effect Artists are too busy airing out their dirty laundry online than making sure they sell records..

Hip-Hop has reached a point where you have people like Jay-z killing T-pain career just so he can sell his own records..

And then you have donkeys like Beanie Sigel joining forces with 50 cent to attack his own fellow black man.

Then you have rappers getting arrested every 5 minutes, along with reality shows that is exposing too much to the public, in ways that the artists reputation gets watered down....

Point is Hip Hop has turned into one big ass soap opera and at this point instead of listening, we are watching? And guess what watching Hip-Hop artists and their everyday lives don't sell records...
November 25, 2009 10:46 AM
 

BeatsByNonsense said:

Its the Obama effect.  Politicians, police and the people in charge have been trying to get rid of the music for years.  But when you have an old white man at the top you cant do it without people pointing out the racism.  Now you have Obama at the top and hip hop music has pretty much been shut out of all major media outlets and stores that distribute music.  Its like Obama gave everybody in charge a free pass to stop anything they disagree with because electing Obama magically "healed the nation".  So nobody has a right to express a point of view that can be looked at as negative by society now.  Thats just my conspiracy theory but it seems pretty real when you look at hip hop album sales and distrubution before the election compared to this current day.

http://www.youtube.com/nonsense913
November 25, 2009 11:48 AM
 

SimplySean said:

I work as an A&R at a music publishing company, but I'm a hip-hop head to say the least.  When Soundscan came in last week and I saw Wale at 26,000 albums sold, I took it very seriously.  We're talking about one of the most talented and hyped emcees to come into the game in quite some time with horrific first week sales.  Whether its due to retail sales or not, if it doesn't pick up it is going to limit the number of releases we get from our favorite artists.  

To support the columnist...

-I couldn't get the Slaughterhouse's album on the day of its release, in Jersey City nonetheless (Joe Budden's hometown).

-I couldn't get Wale's album on the day of its release.

-I couldn't get Sky's album on the day of its release.  Especially disappointing on the east coast because Sky is the most underrated emcee in New York (and in hip-hop), in my opinion.
November 25, 2009 11:55 AM
 

RIch123 said:

I have been listern and  buying physical hip hop CDS since i was 15 and i am now 34.  I have grown up with hip hop, i think couple of things affected hip hop sales and they are:

[1] hip hop became cheap-quality wise, if people can remmember 92, you had redman, pac, biggie, Dre and snoop etc bring out classic music-then you had the Master P effect put as much product out market it but quality was greatly compromise.
[2] Everybody became a rapper, so basically you have more supplier than buyers.
[3] Growth, like i previously said i have been listern to hip hop since i was 16 and back then i leave in economic deprived environment aka Ghetto - now i am educated to MBA level i live in surburb, and hip hop is now allowed to do this too freely. so artists are often critised for going pop i.e Ja rule, Jay z, 50etc those artist experiences changes after they release 1 albums and it succesful they travel so subject matter will have to change but the audiences experience often has not changed. i must add i still listern to hip hop my wife and kids are black. i bought 50 latest album, i love jay z last album becuase he is trying to brige that gap while i think 50 is trying to cater to audiences that he had from his first album-but they have grown up so.
[4] what the soluction, go back to basic, label should only release people with talents-improve quality out put, in a cost effective way go back to in house production, let records grow organically. and understand your market place.  an example is the video game industry many people have grown up with it like hip hop but the different is quality drive the process so it more violent etc but the entainment quality of video games continue to grow while hip hop quality go down.
finanly, this is just my though after a long day in the office and your views will great to read, let keep hip hop alive because people like myself have used hip hop [listerning to it] to motivate myself and some artist have become multi millions and run companies, given them and their family better lives.  enough preaching 1  
November 25, 2009 12:56 PM
 

coolndre said:

Man, the problem is today is this music STINKS. All you hear on the radio is Lil Wayne, Drake, and Jay Z. Come on man it's more hot artist out there today that don't get their shine. And if you hear that sh*t on the radio all day, well why in the f*ck would you want to go buy it. The radio station here in GA play the same sh*t all day and every hour. No I am a fan of some of these guys music but come on why in the Hell would I want to buy it when I hearit  ALL D*MN DAY on the radio. MTV and BET has hurt soooo many Artist careers it a shame yo. And the ones who have talent don't get played at all..  ..Think about it fellas..
November 25, 2009 1:01 PM
 

DBHH_JuanE said:

Artists shouldnt complain about them not selling their records, It would have been better for a publisher, or a big company to be complaining about not selling enough CD's. In this industry, the major source of income for an artist is concerts and endorsements. They get very minimal gainings from their CD's.

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November 25, 2009 1:23 PM
 

FS1 said:

I couldn't find Sha Stimuli's CD either.  Every time I try to go buy something underground, it's never in the store on Tuesday.  I'm not in a small city either.  These dudes with record deals are truly getting f*cked man.

Fck U to everybody that thinks sales are declining because of "music stinks".  *NEWSFLASH* Everything from back in the day wasn't good either!  There is still some hot sh*t out here that we can't get.

The internet has destroyed the game.  Not one muthaf*cka can tell me different.  The only people who disagree with this are the same lame f*cks who buy bootleg DVD's and download music for free.  I've NEVER done either one of the two.If I ain't got the money for something, OH F*CKIN' WELL that's life!

Along with Bush sending trillions of dollars overseas, PIRACY is a big part of the reason for this recession as well.  Businesses are literally going out of business because of bootlegs, illegal downloads, and everything else.  And ya'll lookin' for jobs?  Please!  Ya'll killin' the jobs!

But I do believe a change is gon' come.  And all you thievin' muthaf*ckas gon' be mad! You suckaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssss!!!
November 25, 2009 1:29 PM
 

JACKIEMACC said:

Why would you purchase the real thing when you can get it on bootleg with some extra cuts that haven't came out yet. It's more to it then what's in this article but hey - I'm selling regardless.
November 25, 2009 1:52 PM
 

JACKIEMACC said:

It's more to it then what's in this article but this is a media monster so what do you expect them to put out!!!! Anything to cause the demise of realness and a choice. I don't like ipods all like that or mpegs or none of that it's kool but if a file is corrupt than your f uc ked. Your music will come out messed up too.
November 25, 2009 1:54 PM
 

jbeamazing said:

who cares what sales i think music is dead because rappers and rap fans care about who sales i want good music and when an artist is just making s**tthat he think will sale i think we should just download it put your heart in the music and say f**k what sales people if u think u will be bumping blue print 3 in 10 years then im wrong but i know im still bumping ready to die

DETROIT IN THE BUILDING
November 25, 2009 1:56 PM
 

jbeamazing said:

and to the uk guy the slaughterhouse album wasnt anywhere in our usa stores ether and then they want to judge artist off of one week sales

f**k THE INDUSRTY
November 25, 2009 1:59 PM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

doclvly said:
p.s.

@water your seeds - stop being an old coot. I agree cd/vinyl collection is a must. but this is the way things work. and if you knew anything about digital music you would know you don't have to be confined to .mp3 or the quality at which your computer copies it.

i think vinyl should be elevated to the level of fine art honestly, presented like you would a painting or a sculpture (except you take it out to listen sometimes with cds taking the place as the collectors format.

wanna see a good example of people giving away music and still collecting heavy, look up what nine inch nails did with the ghost album. They made  a half a mil with no label (and there not that good)

the games done changed




I aint bein an 'old coot' blud, I just take pride in My CD collection... If I cant buy the CD I dont particularly value what I have...

Like when AHH give Us A free mixtape, I download it onto My gym Ipod with the other schitt I have downloaded, like the rare tunes or stuff I couldnt get on CD and bump it while Im working out... I may play it in the car, but I dont value it like A cd...

Im mean, whats the point of releasing music or even buying it, and not bein able in few years or 10years or 60years time to play it, like checking thru your collection blowin the dust of and playing or showing your kids and grandkids... I personally enjoy the booklet and album credits and reading them, I aint bein an old coot, I just find digital music cheap, AND the audio quality not on par...

Fck downloading, it bullschitt, thats My opinion, I mean come on... You not enjoying buying CD's??? Dont tell Me you cant see My point, thats far from bein an old coot
November 25, 2009 1:59 PM
 

BLUNTBLAZER said:

THE INTERNET FUKED IT UP
ERYONE DOWLOADIN NOT GOIN TO THE STORES NO MORE
SHISH GOT SO BAD TOWER REOCRDS AND WHEREHOUSE WENT UNDER.  I STILL BUY OUT THE STORES IN THE BAY AREA WE HAVE RASPUTIN AND THEY STOCK UP WITH DAT GOOD SHISH. WE STILL OUT THE TRUNK ALSO DONT SLEEP.

****NEW TRACK UP****
"HEARTLESS"
KEEPIN IT GRIMEY
http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic
November 25, 2009 2:10 PM
 

pnuts33 said:

@   doclvly

Youre absolutely insane if u don't think that country music sells! Matter of fact country is the only genre that hasn't been affected by the recession or by downloading because hillbillies go out and buy/support their artists. Need support: http://www.allbusiness.com/economy-economic-indicators/economic-conditions-recession/11824777-1.html

Everyone who has commented has failed to mention BOOTLEGGERS! THere's a guy on every corner selling the same damn cd for $2 and people will buy from 9/10 instead of going to a store.
And on top of that, the hip hop nowadays is hot garbage to say the least! No one's original nowadays, I stopped listening to most hip hop because everyone is copycats now. Everyone has to talk about how many people they killed or how many keys they sold. Do u really think Walmart or Target or Best Buy is gonna want to sell that shit? Come on! When an artist with some originalty comes out and doesn't dress or sound like the status quo(baggy jeans, dark clothes, hoodies, boots, trendy sneakers, etc) then every so called Hip Hop fan wants to down them or call them gay. I remember when there was a time when Kwame and Kid N Play were out around the same time as EPMD and Scarface and there weren't any problems. They were all considered hip hop, and people respected their differences. And record labels have caught wind of this because of fans and that's what they put out. Hip hop fans need to realize that they caused this all themselves. By knocking anyone different than someone who was a thug, they destroyed careers of many rappers who could be successful but major labels won't come near them because they don't think that they'd sell. And lets be honest the labels don't give a s**tabout what u say, as long as u sell, and the public has shown what they're going towards, and there's no one to blame but the fan's infautation with guns, drugs and ignorance!
November 25, 2009 2:18 PM
 

jd2010 said:

So because 50's album floped its the "The Death of Music Retail" get outta here...you must be on 50's pay roll and to bring Triple C into the convo like if they would have sold more 10 years ago.....they are not relavent outside of the south. 50 flop because people are tired of his gimmicks Rick Ross sold more than 50 did his first week so compare them two Jay-Z album really leaked early and he went gold his first week and everyone in the streets had.... i live in NYC i didnt know anyone who had 50 cent album or even heard it even to this date.....so that international leak is BS and just an excuse because noone has his album.....just think about it people....for real think about when Jay BP3 leak and how eveyone in the streets had the bootleg and when 50's leak no one in the streets had it......proof is proof excuse is and excuse
November 25, 2009 2:50 PM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

@ jd

i see your point bro, but i think you are missing one of the points, because of the amount of available downloads and leaks, alot of people no longer buy cds, and as a consequence stores are no longer stocking alot of albums as alot of people me bein one of them have found...

and alot of southern rappers have gone plat just in there town i.e lil flip

i guess 50 is gettin a taste of his own medicine tho lol i know ja is laughing his head of haha
November 25, 2009 3:04 PM
 

HotCharlotte said:

Hip Hop is dying because we buy bootleg....who would pay 11.99 for Wale when you could get Jay, 50 and Wale, 3 for ten.
November 25, 2009 3:19 PM
 

BeatsByNonsense said:

The only cds Ive purchased in the last year are

Tanya Morgan - Brooklynati
J dilla - Jay Stay Paid
Blame One - Days Chasing Days
Mos Def - The Ecstatic

I download first and buy the albums that are good from start to finish with no filler.  The internet has helped me from buying complete s**talbums like Willie D - Play Witcha Momma...I remember getting that when it came out and wanting to get my money back right away.  

Like lots of other people have already said...Theres lots of good music out there but you never hear about it from the radio/tv or hip hop sites.  Its all about who has the money to promote and advertise instead of who actually has a hot cd these days.  

http://www.youtube.com/nonsense913
November 25, 2009 3:57 PM
 

Rozminnie said:

it's not true.hip hop is good music.if you would like to listen to more hip hop music go and check w w w . K e e p I t T r i l l . c o m.
November 25, 2009 3:58 PM
 

kayfizzle said:

I think a lot of blame goes toward the Quality of Hip Hop 2day!...Most of it is Pure TRASH!.....The New Boyz Soulja Boy The Gs Boyz etc....even the heavy hitters Jay 50 Cent...and yes even Gucci Mane...its 2 formula driven......one rapper I think that needs much props is Lupe Fiasco!..He has NOT overexposed and water down his style.....plus,...The internet is the Future!..this is the Information Age!....Twitter Facebook and Yourtube R the future way to do thangz!
November 25, 2009 5:28 PM
 

kayfizzle said:

O BTW...its a Recession...ppl have better things to do with their money than to buy Crappy Rap!...lOL
November 25, 2009 5:30 PM
 

Tupacfan said:

Technology has def changed the game.

The way music is made

The way music is sold

The way music is promoted

So the way music being delivered has def change  today and the only folks that could feel that are those that been on it since day 1. The new generation is a influx of the less informed but could always be informed.
November 25, 2009 5:33 PM
 

HOT97 said:


kayfizzle said:
O BTW...its a Recession...ppl have better things to do with their money than to buy Crappy Rap!...lOL

HOT97 SAYS:I agree...They didnt get the memo..
November 25, 2009 5:43 PM
 

BLUNTBLAZER said:

I DONT DOWNLOAD SHISH
AND DONT FUK WITH ITUNES CAUSE NIGGS AINT GOT CREDIT
PAPER OVER PLASTIC ALL DAY

LAST CDS I BOUGHT
RAE- ONLY BUILT FOR CUBAN LINKS 2 (STRAIT FIRE)
JACKA- TEAR GAS (BAY AREA BOSS)
BEANS- B. COMING (LAST ONE GOT SCRATCHED THE FUK UP)
DRU DOWNS- CAN YOU FEEL ME (CLASSIC SHISH)
FREEWAY- FREE (SLEPT ON IT FOR WAY TO LONG)
SKY BALLA - TYCOON STATUS (SLEEPER)
GUCE- GUCEY GUCE DOE BOY
JSTALIN AND GUCE- ELEPHANTS AND GIANTS
YUNG DRO- BEST THANG SMOKIN (DUDE GOT CRAZZZZZZZZY FLOWS)

DAS ALL I CAN THINK OF
I ONLY SUPPORT REAL SHISH I CANT AFFORD TO BUY NO GIMICKS

****NEW TRACK UP****
"HEARTLESS"
KEEPIN IT GRIMEY
http://www.myspace.com/thagrindaholic
November 25, 2009 6:13 PM
 

Grumpy said:

Hell, choose one or any combo:

Fickle fans
Downloads
Free 'exclusives', spittin on every DJ morning show
CD's are the new 8 track

And funny, 50 didn't allude to any of this type s**ttil HIS s**tfailed to sell but he blamed Fat Joe's sells on weak product. And fickle fans don't always use weak product as a buying criteria.

Fact is, no one is willing to keep buying 3 hot joints and 10 weak ass joints per record. That filler/skits bulls**t don't fly no more.

Then, you gotta 'say' something. Guntalk been boring and been over but much like McDonalds, folks are conditioned to accept the s**teven though it no longer tastes good.

The rap game a cannibal...
November 25, 2009 7:02 PM
 

isabelsantos said:

there should be an own genre for that type of "hip hop" that is being playd on the radio all day, maybe in that way it won't damage the name of hip hop and its distinctive stamp will remain. Its silly that they put guys like soulja boy in  in the same genre as rappers like talib masta ace nas etc. I dont think it would have developed that way if hadnt been for that everyone now a days could be called a rapper no matter how baaad the lyrics and beats is..
November 25, 2009 8:12 PM
 

falconzeye said:

im not saying country is attacking rap soley but alot of different people have been pointing out disgust with our genre of music from activist to politicians to Cosby to Oprah there is a technique where the powers that be can starve our music out if its not available to be sold or played on the air all you will have is the internet and illegal downloads thereby starving out the artist from royalties and very few will step in the booth pay studio time pay for production and pressing getting no profit
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November 25, 2009 8:39 PM
 

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MAn ALLHIPHOP must be on 50's payroll...THis dude's cd TANKED and there is no real mention on the site. IF this happened to JAY-Z, the headline of the day would of been JAY-Z TANKS followed by 50's statement on it and Beanie's statement on it, and BERNARD HOPKINS statement on it...I come to the site and the only thing posted is "CHART WATCH, 50's #'s are in." THEn we have an editorial about how HIPHOP cds arnt selling anymore??? JAy almost double platinum, Em went plat, how bout theres more of a problem with WACK ASS ARTIST putting out SUB-PAR material and no one wants to waste money on it...
November 25, 2009 9:27 PM
 

houston-texas said:

merchants are gonna buy what they think is gonna sell..if an artist has no market then of course they arent gonna invest in it...you cant blame the merchant..would you invest money in something you know nothing about..doubt it...
November 25, 2009 9:39 PM
 

acapella said:

Personally, I thought I was goin crazy. I couldn't find Wale's shit, Melanie Fiona's shit, 50's shit, or even Kanye's Glow In The Dark book. Hell, I STILL can't find that s**tand I'm mad that the manufactuers r doing this. It's like being punished for no reason. I hate, hate it, HATE IT! WTF r these execs doing???? U know what? f**k it. I'm too frustrated to keep commenting on this shit.
November 25, 2009 11:52 PM
 

PapooseJuice said:

alright, ur record label guru PapooseJuice is gonna tell u

u remember season 1 of the wire when Avon Barksdale and his crew were havin some trouble n police were gettin on there motives... well they should of switched up, at this point in time, its either switch up or let the record label industry crumble

buying a fucking cd is like giving charity, no fucking point in it, u just say "thank you, a**hole.... continue to making good music"

there needs to be some creative innovations in the record label industry, why there isnt? i have no fucking idea...... they are losing billions and dont even get internet trackers (and pay them) to delete their music on torrent websites, WMG,UMG,Sony,EMI..... what the f**k?! It's like they want to lose money, these guys are completely off the f**kin radar, they gotta be retarded, real TALK
November 26, 2009 1:08 AM
 

BANDWIDTH_ said:

Hell, choose one or any combo:

Fickle fans
Downloads
Free 'exclusives', spittin on every DJ morning show
CD's are the new 8 track

And funny, 50 didn't allude to any of this type s**ttil HIS s**tfailed to sell but he blamed Fat Joe's sells on weak product. And fickle fans don't always use weak product as a buying criteria.

Fact is, no one is willing to keep buying 3 hot joints and 10 weak ass joints per record. That filler/skits bulls**t don't fly no more.

Then, you gotta 'say' something. Guntalk been boring and been over but much like McDonalds, folks are conditioned to accept the s**teven though it no longer tastes good.

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November 26, 2009 10:27 AM
 

DontDieDontKillAnyone said:

-Rappers have f**k all to say

-Producers are making s**t beats

-The fans are mostly fickle c*nts

-Hip Hop went from being imaginative and inventive at the beginning of this decade to an absolute joke by the end of it. Now we have rubbish rappers that are too busy beefing each other over foolishness, trying to score another reality TV show or getting themselves put in jail over stupidness they really didn't have to get themselves in if they bothered to used their brain for a moment; and producers who have lost their enthusiasm and all remaining creativity resulting in them producing the most uninspired and laziest music/noise the genre has ever seen throughout it's history

-CD sales on a whole has been down for more than a while now

-Everyone downloads nowadays, technology and the internet long changed the game for everyone throughout music and how the consumer now receives their music

-The new generation of music listeners who have grown up with the internet simply don't buy music

-People have other and better things to spend their cash on then CDs nowadays

It'll be the start of a new decade in just over a month's time. Producers and rappers all need to get their own act together if they want to survive the brand new unknown. Newcomers need to bring something fresh, new and even better to the table to dethrone the old-timers and veterans need to up their game and bring something new if they want to carry on staying relevant. Artists also need to realize that selling CDs has fast become irrelevant anyway, unless you've got a marketing team happy to pump millions into your ad campaign just so you can put a million CDs in a month a la The Blueprint 3 then it's all about touring and playing live now anyway if you want to survive

Basically Hip Hop long turned to s**t even if you lot decide not to admit it; it'll either kill and resurrect itself bring along a new found vitality or it'll stay in the same uncreative rut for no one to give a s**t
November 28, 2009 5:11 PM
 

DRUNKENMAS said:

THE MUSIC STARTED DYING WHEN CASSETTES SWITCHED TO CDS......BECAUSE EVERY CD BECAME A MASTER COPY FOR THE BOOTLEGGERS....THEN CAME THE INTERNET.......THE LIMEWIRES AND BEARSHARES......WHEN ANY SONG COMES OUT AND THEY ALL ARE JUST A CLICK AWAY.WHEN I WAS BANGING MY MIXTAPES IN 94'  WHEN RETAILERS WERE BEGGIN ME TO SWITCH OVER TO CDS I TOLD THEM THAT IN 10 YEARS THEY WOULD ALL BE OUT OF BIZNIZ.......THINK BACK A FEW YEARS WHEN THERE WOULD BE 20 PLATINUM HIP HOP ARTISTS IN THE RUN OF 1 YEAR.....BUT NOW IN 09'........WHO WENT PLATINUM?????????I CANT THINK OF 1.........TECHNOLOGY KILLED HIP HOP HOMIE.
November 28, 2009 5:33 PM
 

scullyson said:

Recession,Forclosures,Repo Man,Child support,Lay Offs ect, ect in uh Cashmere Sweater. Sh*t iz tight during this time of deficit.
November 28, 2009 5:54 PM
 

WhitneynStevie said:

I think its more about the labels. I feel like there is always a machine behind the pop stars. Lets be 4real, country is the new hip hop. We knew this day was coming yet what sucks is that really good artists are being ignored. I think that itunes has alot to do with it too because in this economy wasting the gas to go by a CD from Target is dumb if you just can download the same exact CD! If you dont like or dont have an ipod or mp3 player thats fine because there is a button called "BURN" in every app. I will burn a CD and put it in my car if I didnt have an ipod aux on my CD player already. Itunes has the ability to kill the music industry completely. It comes down to us supporting artists also. I make it a point to go buy my fav artists CD and will itunes the ones that I just want to hear and arent a huge fan of. A good example was when Jay Z and Raekwon came out on the same day and Jay killed in the stores but Rae was number one itunes. I believe the movie industry will share a similiar fate! I will admit I will look at a full length feature film online if it is something I dont want to spend my money on
November 28, 2009 6:17 PM
 

Methodman_ed said:

If half the artist would give a good cd worth purchasing maybe it could be like it was . People are sick of giving away there hard earned money for a week at the most worth of music. Anyway something thats free is always good. Artist step your game up
November 28, 2009 7:00 PM
 

CHOICEhiphop said:

As a Finance major, one big reason music is harder to come in stores is because retailers are more aware of their Working Capital. You can't order every artists' album because the CD is no longer the only avenue for music. Digital downloads and piracy have stuck their giant feet up the CD's ass....plain and simple. You know how many people I speak to that say, "I can't remember the last time I bought music or cd"...almost everyone! Than they follow up that line with, "hip hop sucks today"--"not like it used to be"
I personally think the integrity of the music has been hammered by gimmicks and cast offs. Guys like Diddy are big hinderances to hip hop--even though we evolved into this new Internet/digital era of life, ppl still want genuine products. To make a show called "Making the Band" and publicly taping the show on MTV is basically telling all viewers that---hey here is this hip hop group that we just pieced together who don't know each other and we want you to buy their album...Are you kidding me?!? Groups like Wu Tang and Tribe called Quest thrived because they were genuine. There was that chemistry cause these guys were childhood friends so the music was in harmony. I don't think shows like American Idol help either cause it makes the achievement of music success seem so easy. Cribs too fogs reality where artists care more about the bling and Bentley and don't realize the hard work that went into attaining wealth.
So how does hip hop fix itself? There are so many suggestions I would make but the most obvious is to go back to the roots. Don't cheapen it by allowing anyone in. I like hearing stories like 50, BIG, and others who had to fight on the come up. Get rid of all the gimmicks and beefs that are only started to sell records--beefs gotta be genuine too. If 50 got shot 9 times, lost his mom, had to deal drugs and whatever else, don't make that the story for every other artist. You don't have to walk 50's road to be a success...draw your own map, make it yours, and the fans will appreciate it. Fans are too savvy today to know real from not real. We will uncover the liars, gimmicks, and won't buy your music, won't come to your shows, and you'll be back on the streets before you know it. Stop insulting us with the garbage is all I'm saying!
November 28, 2009 10:05 PM
 

CHOICEhiphop said:

Another point I want to make is this...today's consumer doesn't just buy music. There are so many other forms of entertainment that music has taken a big seat...I mean all the way in the back, like the trunk. I grew up in the early 90's era so music and tv were my only forms of entertainment--no Internet, cell phone, ipod, etc so all I did was break down music and watch videos on BET...and back than BET showed some underground videos cause they weren't that big into the media aspect back then. MTV even had a show, Yo MTV Raps! Hip hop has got to find a way to stay relevant again. It has to keep up with the evolving world while staying true and I think this balancing act is too difficult to maintain...meaning they got the wrong ppl steering the ship. The entire music industry wasn't prepared for the digital age. Even today it's still about having a tangible product. Sorry to break the news but eventually I feel music will just be free form and streamed.
November 28, 2009 10:34 PM
 

Quiseebaby said:

As a inspiring artist here is the real problem with the rap game. Its not just one thing, its alot of different factors on why people no longer sell records! Most of the factors have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of music either.

Fans
New Artist
Record Labels
Recession-Economy
Technology


FANS:
A huge problem for people not buying albums is the fans itself! People are alot more wish washy as fans. People now days are no longer even FANS! A person will support a artist and then all of a sudden jump on another person's bandwaggon. The difference with HipHop fans and other genre's is that they support them artist no matter what. They like they artist from thick and thin. Hip Hop fans to their defense its not totally their fault because every new artist for the most part is a copy cat artist. Sounds like someone else, talks about the same stuff, so when your constantly hearing the same struggle over and over again u tend to attach to a new person that u deem still in that struggle to support. Thats until they come out of that place and then u find someone else to support. Thats why people dislike 50 and Jay-Z now! Its like "Ok we know your story and your paid now, so we dont want to hear your story anymore.

New Artist:
This one is very very easy. If you put 10 random young dudes in a room, 7 of them rap, 2 of them make beats and the other dude homeboy is the hottest nig ever! The problem with that his they dont want to support nobody because they are so focus on getting to where them other people at they arent focusing on being a fan. Most up and coming rappers arent "dBoys" or "gangsters". Most of these nigs is hard working dudes who get a pay check and gotta budget, Bills, Lifestyle, Studio time and probably child support too. So dudes dont be having that money like that. Thats why they start they own careers off taking others beats and rapping on them because they cant afford to buy none thereself. Until websites started poppin up selling beats for $20. But add that up for a upcoming artist who thinks hes go times 15 tracks. $300, plus studio time and if you in a decent spot with a dude who know what he doing and might plug you, $40 a hr. Average track 2 hrs to record and get a decent mix. $1200. Want it mastered?? Another 3 or 4 hundred. Oh and dont press it....lol... So what do you have here? A bout a $2000 investment that most people wont even give you $5 for on the street because Jay-Z CD is $5 too. So no matter how good or bad you is, noone listening. So what happens? If 70% of these dudes are broke trying to acheive their dream, they cant support these cds coming out... They still listen to them, but since they cant afford it, they burn it!

Record Labels:
Simple, Labels know that the music just isnt selling and they arent going to pump much into it. They want everything done before they make you a star. Example, Drake! Dude already had such a following and buzz that all a label gotta do is put him on the screen and into people's home. Drake already had money from his tv show and he had enough to buy his dream and hes also talented to. Money and talent equals a chance at getting in the game SOLIDLY! The days of artist development and o hes broke but hes super good and where going to make him a star is dead!

Recession\Economy:
NiggaaZ is broke! White people is broke! Everybody is broke. Jay-Z for 9.99 or a pack of chicken and rice for you and your kids is a real choice people make these days. Your going to feed your kids before you buy that cd. Same thing with them retailers. Taking 250 Wale Cd's or 4 42inch TV's that can help you reach your sale goals is a realistic topic in boardrooms.

Technology:
The internet, reality shows, pirated products, the nig in the barbershop with EVERYTHING early hurts the game too. People saying they get the bootleg then buy if its hot are liars! lol... If the bootleg hott, then the bootleg just hott! U aint buying no other one. Period! You gone charge it and keep it moving. Its easier to steal music then buy it. Now as a artist i actually buy cd's still because i know the work people put into it, but i dont like alot of artist now so its not many people for me to support, but if its a artist i dig and like there is NO WAY im going to steal that money!! I might download a mixtape, but i dont download albums.
November 28, 2009 10:44 PM
 

falconzeye said:

well i held my funds out for Rakims album it was ok but not what i expected as well as Eminems Relapse after such a long wait and it kind of lowers my expectations for other releases i been holding out for: Dr. Dre Detox , times are rough and there really isnt a good enough reason to give up cash for subpar efforts with maybe 2 bangers on a album
hell put out all the medocre stuff on a 2 or 3 disc set that we buy ontime a bunch of cuts and we be playing the album longer
November 28, 2009 11:03 PM
 

PERFECT WORLD said:

Who buys music anyway???? In this recession it's cheaper to just

download it. If you knew where free gas was would you still pay for it????

? Of course not. Music store are leaving like Polar Bears in the Alaska.
November 29, 2009 2:35 AM
 

ThugPoetic said:

Free Gas huh? Very nice twist to put on it. If your barber dont already have have whatever CD you lookin for, just change your barber.
November 29, 2009 3:00 AM
 

Musashi said:

Record Labels under ship CDs due to the sale forecast but even the weather forecast is wrong some times take a f**kin' risk. Record sales have decline because Record Exec have NO BALLS. They'll buy a rapper a new cat or chain instead of shipping the equivalent value in CDs. Industry Rule #4080.


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November 29, 2009 9:35 AM
 

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I remember 10-15 years ago it was tons of record stores around my area and I live in Tampa,FL.....its use to be a hobby for me to ride and buy Cd's now it's dry......and that was the fun part about it, going to buy the Cd's and playing it in your car riding home listening to it, now music is garbage....now if I want a cd I go to CdConnection.com they pretty much have all the old hip-hop cds  stuff that came out in the 80's and 90's and old skool cds.......Sad time....I download, but like certain songs, but if I really want a cd from a artist I will go buy it........
November 29, 2009 11:34 AM
 

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November 30, 2009 8:54 AM
 

BROWNLOCO said:

hip hops dyin cuz of the artists inability to put out quality music...overrall tho the s**tgoes back to the label peoples they doin anything and everything to make a quick buck all these complaints can be traced back to a music industry top employee makin moves to make his cash.....look the s**tup !!!
December 3, 2009 1:39 AM
 

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I don't know why people are coming with all of these theories past the most obvious point. Nobody is buying CD's because its too easy to get them via bootleg. There has been some CD's that I would of normally copped the first day they came out but because the bootleg man got them for me a week before it comes out and for $5, its a no brainer. The only way the music industry can come back out is to try and stop computers coming out with CD burners, the sell of CD burners and change the file format of music. I soon feel, that rap albums will not even be made unless they are from huge stars. And that is even pushing it, because I don't even know how much Gucci will sell. I already got the bootleg, why would I buy the $13.99 version.
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