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Healing Hip-Hop’s Racial Wounds—Between Blacks and Browns, That Is

Monday, November 30, 2009 9:03 AM | 316 comments
By Tolu Olorunda

 

“Hip-Hop Kulture doesn’t recognize haters.

Haters within a culture of love are traitors.”

—KRS-One, The Gospel of Hip-Hop. New York: powerHouse Books, 2009, p. 395.


A few weeks back AllHipHop.com ran a feature news report, “Rap Group Calle 13 Dominates Latin Grammys,” celebrating its recent sweep of 5 awards, including “album of the year” and “best urban album of the year,” at the 2009 Latin Grammy Awards ceremony. The courageous duo, unlike certain rappers I know, decided to use this prestigious platform not as a soapbox upon which to remind the world of their divinity, but to pay homage to their roots; more pronouncedly, Mercedes Sosa—a pioneer and pillar in Latin American folk music heritage. If I knew no better, I would assume this great win for Hip-Hop would be heralded by fans of diverse shades—especially Black ones—as a moment worth pausing for and championing; but, unfortunately, my deepest fears were soon confirmed.  


The first commenter wasted no time establishing his hatred for all things Latin: “only thing they dominating is d**k in foreign places.” The second, non-spam comment read: “Those f**king hispanics steal everything and bring it back to their Country.....Cant knock the hustle though.” The next few would reaffirm similar sentiments: “who gives a f**k looks like paul wall and pitbull,” “WHO CARES............I DON'T LISTEN TO THAT SH**...........TO THOSE WHO DO...........THAT'S YOUR CHOICE..........I WONT LISTEN TO IT,” “… Latinos be on some bullsh** … Don't get me wrong, I have love for some Latinos but some of them are conceited for whatever reason, and two face.” 


Soon after, it developed into a full-blown misogynist café, filled with intellectually-paralyzed rants against Latina females: “…Latin chicks are only in it to get married so that she can get her papers,” “s**tI HERE THEY HAVE A HIGH RATE OF THAT HIV IN BRAZIL BRA. SOME OF THAT p***y WE SEE THAT LOOK GOOD MAY COME WITH CONSEQUENCES FEEL ME,” “Yeah you right, about they be having them diseases, but them muthaf**kas, be looking good. Especially them Afro Brazilian Chicks,” “HELL YEA THEM MUTHAF**KAS LOOK LIKE LIL CARAMEL CANDIES. MAKE YOU WANNA EAT THEY *** UP. BUT THEN YOU FIND OUT THE CANDY IS ROTTEN INSIDE,” “Word up Ive heard alot of stuff about brazil, mostly because i hear the women there are very loose and you got ppl from all around the world trying to smash.”


Of course this embarrassing display ticked off many of AllHipHop’s Latino/Latina readership, including one who poignantly explained why Blacks who view Latin folk as outsiders aren’t only being bigoted but also exposing a crippled sense of history and memory: “Wats with the comments about Hispanics? What was stolen music is music. Dam! We was there in the beginning just like black ppl. Alot of the founding fathers was latino also. Sometimes You realy can sound stupid as hell.  Im Dominican and let me tell you something the same slaves that was brought to the US was brought to DR, PR, Cuba and other Latin American countries. We all in this together.


If only intelligence reigned supreme in the dreaded age of cyberspace: “an age when critical thinking is outlawed—an age when the aim is to talk first and think later. No one wants to be the last involved, thus no one wants to take the time to absorb the consequences of an issue before adding their voice to the chorus of a caustic choir.”


I don’t see those responses in any way as an isolated incident—or the artwork of immature fans. For far too long, many have tried to ignore or defend this unmasked, mild hatred brewing within the Black community; but the time has come for blunt talk and straight speech.


Some argue, in very convincing terms, that no such divide or “tension,” as I call it, exists, as Hip-Hop has successfully united diverse groups who ordinarily would have nothing to do with each other. No doubt: Afrika Bambaataa's partnership with the White Punk Rock community in the late ‘70s comes to mind. I do think, though, that the signs have become too apparent to discard.  


First, it’s critical to admit the tension exists. It might not be explicit on the surface, but it exists nonetheless. It’s evident in the number of Blacks usually found at a Latin Hip-Hop concert (and vice versa); it’s also evident in the reality that such a sub-genre as “Latin Hip-Hop” exists at all. It was evident when Fat Joe was celebrated, much to the excitement of the Latin-American community, as the first “Latino rapper” to achieve considerable mainstream status; it was also evident when the late (much too great) Big Pun was crowned, in equal order, the first “Latino rapper” to pass platinum. These events sent shockwaves through the Black Hip-Hop bloc which failed to see why special emphasis was being placed on the success of a not-so-small sector of the Hip-Hop community. From then on, no matter how successful these artists became, no matter how much they collaborated with prominent Black artists (Fat Joe with KRS-One and LL Cool J; Big Pun with Black Thought, Nas, Raekwon, etc.), they would forever be pigeonholed as “Latin Rappers”—rather than rappers with Latin origins or, better yet, simply Hip-Hop artists. 


This “tension” exists for a number of reasons, but two appear central: 1) For lack of history and memory 2) For fear of depopulation and displacement, prompted by White Supremacy-infused inferiority complex, but also triggered by a dilapidated understanding of reality:


“How many hours I waste, trying to figure this sh**/
‘Til I finally realized: we're just Ni**ers and Sp**s/
‘Cause ain't no brothers running sh** in the system/
You going straight to jail if you Colored and fit the description/”
  


The field known to most as “Latin Hip-Hop” is special in the hearts of Latinos/Latinas, as they tend to view it as an extension of the legacies pioneered by Afro-Cuban, Salsa and Latin-Jazz artists since the early ‘20s. When many Latinos/Latinas see Big Pun, Fat Joe, N.O.R.E., Tego Calderón, Pitbull, or Calle 13, they are reminded of the hard labor toiled by Machito, Noro Morales, Rubén Blades, Willie Colon, Carlos Santana and, perhaps most prominently, the inimitable Héctor Lavoe. When they see Angie Martinez, Ivy Queen, or Nina Sky they find crystal clear the faces and voices of Celia Cruz and Anacaona—women who pushed past all barriers to assert their humanity in the male-dominated, often dehumanizing, world of show business.   


The journey of Latin music is far from over. So it gives Latino brothers and Latina sisters great pride to see the wheel kept rolling with great inventions like Reggaeton. This should be cause for joy within the Black community, but the reactions have mostly been reflective of the comments highlighted above. I’ve heard a lot of Blacks claim Reggaeton is inferior to Hip-Hop or not musical enough—as though these fools don’t recall the same was said about Hip-Hop in such esteemed publications at Time and Newsweek, shortly after its inception, refusing to give it breathing space to blossom or, at the very least, prove itself.   


This dismissal of any musical creation unrestricted to the Hip-Hop rhythm meter must be curtailed before it spills over—as it’s starting to—and wreaks far more havoc than intended. Immigration raids are sweeping the country, separating husband from wife and brother from sister, and some Blacks couldn’t be happier. “Them Latinos are taking away our jobs, anyway,” I’ve heard some say.


A little Lou Dobbs goes a long way.


It’s unclear whether the Black people who have no—or so little—sympathy for the callous ways undocumented Mexican immigrants are being treated understand fully the historical ramifications of their concerns, but, increasingly, Blacks are being used as milk carton headshots to pass draconian legislations against, and criminalize, poor Latino/Latina immigrants. The racists fronting these projects figure no other community can lend greater credence to a movement endangering the lives of a booming population of color than the people most discriminated against—second only to Native American peoples—on these shores. And not only is this foolish, ahistorical anti-Immigration stance taking shape in black working communities amongst adults facing unprecedented economic turmoil, younger Blacks are also beginning to link arms with White counterparts to terrorize undocumented school kids. Again, lack of history can be brutal.


This is double-dutch on the minds of Black people. In Hip-Hop there seems to be no universal concern for the plights these populations are being subject to. Our (Black) best and brightest, those to whom we look in times of social unrest, have been all but mum about the immigration crisis. When was the last time Talib Kweli or Mos Def raised their voice against this mess? When? Thank God for courageous voices like West Coast legend Ice Cube who can see the forest from the trees!


What many Black Hip-Hop fans don’t realize, or are too cowardly to admit, is that a division between Black and Brown artists, Black and Brown fans and, inevitably, Black and Brown communities would not only lead to disenfranchisement and self-destruction in the long haul, but would also guarantee a complete overhaul of the Hip-Hop demographic. If this “tension” goes unchecked, and is left to build up steam, it would most likely be exploited by corporate forces who've had their eyes on a dominant White Hip-Hop roster for over two decades. 


Of course the Brown community isn’t all innocent. Many Blacks rightly feel a sense of condescension or superiority from Latino/Latina peoples. Those of darker skin, especially, believe their lighter kinfolk adopt the same sensibilities of racist Whites who contend dark skin is a blemish signaling intellectual inferiority. And it doesn’t help matters when certain Brown folk subscribe to the same White supremacist dogmas that describe Blacks in primitive and petulant terms. I can bear personal witness to such encounters. But it’s critical that Blacks come to terms with what prompts such presuppositions—media-misinformation—and apply greater compassion when dealing with their misguided family.  


The Black and Brown wounds of Hip-Hop would only be healed when we can look each other in the eye, fair and square, and see the common ancestry, common purpose, common struggle inherent in our journey:


“Cash pays, and rules—the root of all evil/
Shooting Amigos for looting perico, polluting our people/
Moving kilos, like it's all good, through every ghetto/
I ain't judging but bugging how we floss so many levels/
The devil's got us by the ba**s—that's why the law allows/
The drugs to overflood, knowing we gonna buy it all/
It's time to call a world order where every girl's your daughter/
And priceless as ices and pearls fresh out the water/” 


For broader respective, I reached out to a few colleagues and comrades whose responses were concise and cogent—and worth sharing.


Edward Sunez Rodriguez is a Hip-Hop veteran writer and thinker whose work has appeared in The Source, XXL, and VIBE.


Tony Muhammad is an educator and Hip-Hop activist of Cuban origins who writes a regular column titled, “Trials of a Hip Hop Educator.” As member of the Nation of Islam, he also works to spread the teachings to Brown communities through its National Latino Ministry.


“A bond of the highest measure can only be strengthened by honoring the truth of its roots. Throughout Hip-Hop's years, a profound truth promoted has been the similar oppression and common oppressor(s) [of Black and Brown people]; we voice our reality and emotion and despair against, and direct our talents and hopes and revelations towards, our many barrio and ghetto residents. Yet, the deeper truth is that the African-American and Latino are co-creators of Hip Hop culture in the most natural sense.


“With a common ancestry and blood line, this culture reunites all of our journeys since separation into the countless categories of ethnicity and race over past centuries: That the words of the MC are as dominant in the Cuban soneros as the Last Poets' words; that the break beat has isolated the swiftest dancer and cleverest of musicians in the freest jazz and salsa's clave as clearly as reggae's roots; that graffiti's toughness and beauty are deep like the ancient hieroglyphs of Kemet as they are present in our Mexican brother Diego Rivera's murals of protest. When we search out this truth once again, express it and share it with anger, love and swagger, the bond between our peoples will strengthen naturally.


No culture of a people lives if its ultimate truth is diluted, disregarded and categorized for profit and gain. As it is now, we continue to think we are all different, but that illusion was once let go to create our Hip-Hop culture.”


—Edward Sunez


“What is needed to bring about a sense of unity between Black and Brown people is the establishment of programs aimed at bridging the gap culturally, morally, politically and spiritually—beginning with the Youth who hold the most potential but also the greatest disappointment. In the process, knowing our combined histories is very important, especially knowing where they have intersected.


“If we know where we have been and how we have strongly impacted each other throughout time, we would be able to understand our present, shared condition. It is through our unity after receiving the knowledge that we can grow and mature and learn how to work with each other as one family, and work together to get out of the negative circumstances that govern our communities, bodies, hearts and minds.  


“Hip Hop music and culture is a perfect avenue through which to express this need, as it has made a tremendous impact on young people for over three decades. In fact, Hip Hop from the very beginning, in the Bronx (mid-1970s), addressed the needs of young people. It manufactured the option of street violence into peace, unity and having fun. After a while, the youth began to cultivate their own identity through this new medium of expression, guided by the wisdom of organizations such as The Universal Zulu Nation, The Nation of Gods and Earth, and The Nation of Islam.


“Those most affected were Black and Latino—living in the same environment, experiencing the same things, influencing each other: musically and culturally. To begin effecting change, the original essence of the movement needs to be updated and applied in the classrooms, community centers, and community concerts.”


—Tony Muhammad


Tolu Olorunda is a cultural critic whose work regularly appears on TheDailyVoice.com and other online journals. He can be reached at: Tolu.Olorunda@gmail.com.

 


Comments

 

TYBO2020 said:


..RESPECT HISPANIC/LATIN BROTHERS AND SISTERS..BIG UP..
November 30, 2009 9:26 AM
 

MyStreamcast » Blog Archive » Editorial : Healing Hip-Hop's Racial Wounds???Between Blacks and … said:

November 30, 2009 9:30 AM
 

realguttanigga said:

Latinos are every bit as racist and close-minded as everyone else.  This is not the fault of insensitive black people hating on Latinos.  Go check the Civil Right Movement.  When we were getting our asses beat and kept separate from white people, see who the Latinos supported.  Now people feel as if blacks should be supporting Latinos when they had no voice for us in our struggles.

I don't advocate racism by any means and will stand up for anyone's civil rights but let's not act like blacks should be ashamed of themselves if they don't support illegal immigrants.  We were brought here as slave labor and exploited. Illegal immigration is an entirely separate and distinct issue.



That being said, I'm for ANYONE being able to come to America so long as they

1) Speak English

2) Are documented legally- so they can contribute to Social Security, Taxes, and won't depress wages.
November 30, 2009 9:42 AM
 

HTOWNTX said:

big pun was fat as fucc
November 30, 2009 9:51 AM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

Differnt regions have differnt out looks.

Im from the East where there are many kids of hispanics Dominicans Mexicans all of us.. Here the police treat us all the same. Whether your black or hispanic.

Many of us Hispanics are just as black as yall and fall in teh doubel racism. Like my self i am Dominican. I have some black features and most of my family is Dark skinned. My roots are in africa just like Black Americans are. I never got why such tension....
November 30, 2009 9:51 AM
 

UrbanMartyr said:

Do that there!!!!!!!!!
November 30, 2009 9:52 AM
 

Adults Only – Healing Hip-Hop???s Racial Wounds???Between Blacks and Browns, That Is – allhiphop.com « Adults Only said:

November 30, 2009 9:54 AM
 

Tommy K. said:

I remember shaking my head after reading some of the comments on that Latin Grammys article...



*waits for my fellow negros to explain themselves*
*grabs popcorn*



lol nahh but on a serious note there shouldn't be any reason why the black and brown unity should not be there.



btw... where the hell is the IC?
November 30, 2009 9:54 AM
 

MATTIK said:

i see what dude is sayin, but there's a couple things here that kinda irked me.. for one, saying latin rappers get 'pigeonholed' is not entirely true imo.. somebody like big pun, he celebrated being latino, he used those influences in his music and even called himself as such ("i'm the first latin rapper to baffle your skull").. besides that, there's plenty rappers who are latino that i dont think get pigeonholed.. nore, back when he rapped like he was from queens instead of miami, did not get put in a latin rapper box.. lloyd banks is half dominican and that's of no concern to anybody.. newer cats like joell ortiz, nino bless, or termanology, i dont see them getting any kind of different treatment for their color.. i think when somebody gets labelled as a "latin hip-hop artist" it's because they're rapping in spanish or over some latin music type of production.. in which case labelling them a latin rapper seems pretty fitting.. and for that matter, caucasian rappers get labelled as white rappers, and the music they make does not have an obvious distinction in production rhythms or language like some latin rappers..
another thing, specifically name dropping talib kweli and mos def for not having songs about black-brown unity? one, how f*cking cliche can you be for mentioning those two like they are the only two socially conscious artists in hip-hop? two, since when is it their responsibility for addressing every single issue that plagues society? and three, there's plenty of people who mention black-brown unity in songs.. off the top of my head, i know i've heard rakaa iriscience of dilated peoples, nas, immortal technique (who i might add does not get put in a latin rapper box), and others talk about it..
and the last criticism.. "great inventions like Reggaeton".. seriously? you just said that? reggaeton is a great invention? wowwwww.....
November 30, 2009 9:55 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

Hip Hop was started by Blacks AND Hispanics... Latino's having been killin it since day one... People are forgetting legends like Charlie Chase, Disco Wiz, Whipper Whip and The Mean Machine's - Disco Dream... Thats just off the top there plenty more early 70's and 80's Hispanic pioneers around helping hip hop grow... Ignorant muth-uckas need to learn the roots before they open their mouths...
November 30, 2009 9:56 AM
 

gorgan said:

i don't really mess with too many hispanics , but beatnuts , pun , tony touch , charlie chase , kid capri are as hip hop as it gets
November 30, 2009 9:59 AM
 

MCGeek1 said:

When African Americans and sympathetic Whites were being harmed during the Civil Rights movement there were many Ethnic groups that were silent who are now reaping the benefits of our pain and treat Non-Whites as if we are somehow less then them.

What I don' t like is how Latin Rappers use the 'N' word in their raps, and never use epithets or disparaging lyrics against Spanish speaking people.
November 30, 2009 10:00 AM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@ Water you seeds

I said that in the other post. Lations been here since the beginning. Why all the hate? Now that the numbers are starting to get equal is where there real bs starts. America is different. S hit in about 50 i dont think there will be many "races" here any way ppl mixing alot. Thats life.
November 30, 2009 10:01 AM
 

Lil Wayne Sucks said:

This article is very misleading. Here in NYC blacks and Puerto Ricans hang real tight. The division of blacks and browns is more of a Mexican beef with Blacks outside the Northeast. I think that bunching all Latinos together is the first mistake.

Also, back when hip-hop was in it's infancy, there was plenty of black/puerto rican crews out there.

I can't speak for other cities and other groups of latinos but lets set the record straight that Black and Puerto Ricans have been cool since the get and that s**twon't change because some Mexicans and Blacks are slugging it out in East L.A.
November 30, 2009 10:03 AM
 

eskoe13 said:

Very good article, props on that and its funny how a white agenda has turned races against each other, how ignorant and stupid this young generation has become! Whatever happened to Unity?, I live on tha west coast and blacks and hispanics we get along to a certain extent. We respect their hoods they respect ours. Is there tension yeah there is but its mostly gang related, as I have black friends that are some down ass homies.. So overall ignorance is a must with this new generation and improvements, all we can do is hope.
November 30, 2009 10:05 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

I recognize alot of those comments in the Article, I even see some comments i made in the Article. But the Fact is we Brothers, Latinos is original people also. You got the original seed, which is Black, then you got Brown, Yellow, Red. All them seeds came from the original seed, so that make them original too. But Allhiphop, it's going to always be some Racism regardless, I live it Texas and it's some Mexicans that don't like Blacks, and vice versa. But Alot of Mexicans is mixed with Spaniards and the they was the biggest slave traders, so part of them got that history. But mostly all the Latino Races is mixed with Black, that's why you see so many Afro Cubans, Afro Dominicans, Afro Brazilians etc....... They was Africans that was dropped off in Latin America during the Slave Trade, they just adopted to the Latin language and Culture over the centuries, now they speak Spanish, but their skin is still Dark though. Just Look at all these Latin Baseball Players in Baseball, Players like David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Pedro Martinez and many more, they all appear to be Blackmen, which they is, but they speak Spanish. Even Big Pun looked a little tan, he look like he could be a light skin black guy.
November 30, 2009 10:06 AM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

Im hispanic and I use the N word.... But not in the bad context. Thats how we talk im from the hood too.

The prob with the N word is that id Black ppl have such a problem with It then dont use it. the people i know that really get offended by it dont use it themselves. But that doenst represent a whole.

We call ourselves spics. and put it this way like i said before Im Dominican and have some black features my ancestors was slaves for Africa just like yours and the police look at me just like they look at you. Differnce is that where my parents come from spanish settled where you come from english. But the stories are the same.
November 30, 2009 10:06 AM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@ lil wayne sucks.

Yea i think that wat it is there is a big rift in the West btw the Mexicans and Black.

But let me tell you A friend of mine was bum rushed in the west because he had a Dr flag in his car. the Chicanos said dont do that here. I still dont understand why some of them like that.
November 30, 2009 10:12 AM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

I never had no problems with any of my brown folk, be it from PR, DR, Mexico, South America, etc...... as far as this culture, there has been Latins and even whites(mainly graf-writers from overseas) involved since it's origins... you can see the multi-ethnic and gendered influence in some of the early films such as Beat Street, Krush Groove, etc......

thats the problem now, soon as we all come together for a united cause, we always lettin outsiders  split and categorize things, sad thing is now we doing the seperation from an internal standpoint.....

No need to complain about Latins using the "N" bomb especially if nothing was said when the Blaxploitation Era, whites exploited the chance to drop the "N" bomb every chance they could in the disguise of entertainment.......... some of these so-called "act-ivists" were actually "act-ors" in these films........

Back on, i got no problem with Latino's or any other race for that matter, i just got issues with those who choose to live in Devlish manner, and that goes for you Black ignorant f**kz too, cause you the worst on my list........

Peace!
November 30, 2009 10:14 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

But just because Black folks won't listen to Spanish rap, shouldn't be a big deal. Alot of people don't speak Spanish, therefore they not gonna listen to nothing, they don't understand, ya feel me. Big Pun and Fat Joe is both Latin Rapper's that rap in English and they hot. Even down here in Texas, it's a Spanish rapper named SPM (South Park Mexican) he rap in English and he get play.
November 30, 2009 10:15 AM
 

Tomahawk_Rock said:

It's is a very impressive article.  A difficult topic, but he managed to even thread my culture; "the people most discriminated against—second only to Native American peoples—on these shores." That's dope; I'm going to have to reread this article to capture it fully.
November 30, 2009 10:15 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

When Latinos say "Niggah" they use it in the context we use it in, Like brother or whatever. The reason i say this, is because they call themselves Niggah.  But if a Black person gets offended by it, i think they shouldn't say it around them.
November 30, 2009 10:19 AM
 

DAKITCHEN said:

Black... Latino.... doesn't really matter here in the US, as we are part of a minority subjected (or standing up against) dominant majority rule. Shit, we get our ass beat the same by crooked cops and are shunned by the bourgeoisie. So people need to kill that weak s**tand build the communities back up instead of rejoicing in further separation amongst our own selves.

ALL shades of Black and Brown are beautiful to me.
November 30, 2009 10:20 AM
 

Tomahawk_Rock said:

The language barrier is a valid argument if you are speaking strictly about the topic of listening to latino/spanish hiphop; but not when talking about a cultural barrier that exists under the umbrella that is "Hip Hop".  No one should hate based on cultural difference.  I for example, dont listen to French speaking rappers, but that doesn't mean that i can call they whole culture down.
November 30, 2009 10:21 AM
 

joeg said:

loved the piece. im a Puerto Rican american from the Bronx who grew up around blacks and hispanics ONLY. i live in PR now and when i read the comments posted on the Calle 13 article i was really bothered by what i read. when i realized that there are some people who are just ignorant i wasnt mad anymore. you see, people are scared of what they don't know and since these ignorant people dont understand what rappers like Calle 13, Tego, Coscuella, Daddy Yankee, Don Omar, etc., are saying they dismiss them as wack and garbage and blah blah blah. i'm 23 years old and fell in love with hip hop after hearing Doug E. Fresh & Slick Rick's "The Show" on one of my fathers old cassette tapes when i was like 4 or 5. Then i heard OPP and that was it for me. When i found out later on in life that Hispanics (mostly Porto Rocks) had alot to do with the beginnings of Hip-Hop, it made me so proud. When Pun came out and started blowin s**tup I was on cloud 9. When Daddy Yankee's Gasolina video hit BET I was going nuts jus cuz the mainstream was recognizing us as legitimate artist. to hear african americans s**ton us really hurts cuz its like we went through the same struggle regardless. my skin aint even brown, its tan and i been called **** -rican, black-a-rican, and str8 up ****  by down south rednecks and was like f**k it they some ignorants fucks and its expected. but when a black kid called me a s**c i mopped him right in his jaw. you know why? i was so mad that someone from the race that i look to as my brothers, the race whos same blood runs they my veins would say that. i dont understand. all these ignorant fucks clowin reggaeton. if they like girls they'd kno that thats the music that gets the ladies asses movin. they should also kno that Big Pun is THE G.O.A.T and if not top 3-5 and i say this with no bias whatsoever. they should be proud that a Puerto Rican kid like myself fell in love with a pre-dominantly black art form and encourage him to spread it. I discovered my talent for rapping two years ago and who do i owe it all too? Not them boyz from Cypress Hill, not Baby Bash, not Pitbull, not Peedi Peedi, not Nore. Besides Pun my teachers are: Jay-Z, Nas, R.A.G.U ( Rae & Ghost United), Styles & Jada, B.I.G. to name a few and they not spanish and it doesn't bother me one bit. i appreciate their talent and skill and give 3 to 4 shits about what their skin color is. if you listen to Salsa, them mofos was rappin the whole time and they were Porto Rock. ppl need to get their head out they asses thats why the world is all fucked up. Look out for Joe G. in 2010. ima do it different. im coming out of P.R. on some Hip-Hop s**tin english (and a lil spanish sprinkled on a la Pun) plus that party music the Ricans are known for. I wanna be the one to bridge the gap. i wanna pick up were Pun left off.
November 30, 2009 10:23 AM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@liquidswords

In the context as we use it in the hood yea, Also if a person gets offended and i know that they dont use it them selves i will not use it. Its all in context.

However if i seen dude go yo waddup my niggah to his boyu but complain bout me using it. NO respect.. If you want to get offended you have the right but then dont use it your self.  Or at that any one who gets offended shouldnt use any of those terms..

I ve heard dude say this wet back just said waddup my niggah to me. I should f**k him up.. Thats the s**ti dont like its like SMH??
November 30, 2009 10:23 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:


@MCGeek1

Big Pun and Fat Joe call themselves niggah's all the time. Like i said if a Black person let you know they get offended by it, then they shouldn't use it, in your presence.
November 30, 2009 10:26 AM
 

coughdrop said:

This dude is blowing a lot of hot air Hispanics  bought this tension by simply not acknowledging black people. we accept everyone and it is time people start respecting black people. hispanic can be very racist toward black people. when Martin Luther King and Malcolm  took bullets for all people of color. so if there is tension hispanic people bought it not us. how many black people work for telemundo.? none but there damn sure is plenty on BET
November 30, 2009 10:35 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

Also alot of things has been stolen from Blacks in the past, so we cautious about who we let in our Creation and Culture. Latino's played a part in Hip Hop, but it's a Blackman Creation. You got to realize, Rock N Roll and Jazz was all created by Black Folks, but they was all stolen, now they predominately White. I can go all the way back to Africa, to all the things that has been stolen from the Blacks, it's still going on now. So Blacks is a little weary in letting other Races into our Music Culture.
November 30, 2009 10:36 AM
 

Tomahawk_Rock said:

The Native American people (ndn's) are a fledglings in the realm of hip hop; and we, for the most part, are immediately drawn to the black community as the authority in hip hop.  Thusly, we emulate what we see on BET to the best of our abilities.  But if any of yall youtube "Native American Rap", you will find a spectrum of raggedy beats, simplistic and contrived lyrics, and poor production.  But the thing is this; we are "fledglings".  When Grandmaster Flash and Furious Five came with The Message, the video itself, the gear that they were sporting, and beat and the wordplay was all, in retrospect and by todays standard, comical and perhaps even ridiculous; but it had to start somewhere.  And this is where the native american rapper finds him or her self; a fledgling attempting to fit in where ever they can get in.  One has to go to the furthest parameters in order to find the middle ground.  Maybe in 5 or ten years, we'll have native americans regularly on tv, radio, and internet.  

But my point is this; reservations are much like barrios and ghettos, white oppressors didnt like us either, and that there was, at one point in time and not so long ago, an intermingling between all three groups in relationships with one and other.

In other words, we all were affected by the same plight, and therefore share a very certain and specific commonality.  And when i hear black folks cutting up ndns, or vice versa, the first thing that comes to my mind is, "but don't you get it?  We all done came up from the same shit."

Don't hate on collective culture, remember who was oppressed, and change together.
November 30, 2009 10:37 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

Coughdrop make a good point, I said the same thing. Alot of Black TV and Radio Stations hire Hispancis to be Radio personalities and TV Host. But you don't see Hispanic Stations or TV Shows during that with Blacks. Us as Black People, sometime is to friendly and accepting, that what lead to our downfall in the first place. Think about it, we went from being Kings and Queens to being Slaves, and it was mostly due to us being friendly to others, but we hated each other.
November 30, 2009 10:40 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@Tomahawk_Rock

What Tribe is you from? I'm part Seminole, My Grandma is Full Blooded Seminole. I'm from North Carolina and we got a lot of Reservations there.
November 30, 2009 10:42 AM
 

Tomahawk_Rock said:

@ DAKITCHEN

"Black... Latino.... doesn't really matter here in the US, as we are part of a minority subjected (or standing up against) dominant majority rule. Shit, we get our ass beat the same by crooked cops and are shunned by the bourgeoisie. So people need to kill that weak s**tand build the communities back up instead of rejoicing in further separation amongst our own selves.

ALL shades of Black and Brown are beautiful to me. "


Word
November 30, 2009 10:42 AM
 

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November 30, 2009 10:43 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

I remember said Fat Joe said he ain't a Spanish Rapper, He just a Rapper that happen to be Spanish. I never liked that Reggaeton though. Sometime their beats is alright, but i can't get into it though.
November 30, 2009 10:45 AM
 

Tomahawk_Rock said:

@ liquidswords95

Speak on the being to friendly, I feel you homeboy, I mean, we let Columbus right in the front door and even helped his ailing ass get better from scurvy.  On behalf of my people, we sorry (lol)

The seminole are a pretty big tribe from what i understand.  Also a very proud people.  I'm in Canada, and my father was Ojibwa and my mother Mi'Kmaq, both eastern tribes.  Good on you for recognizing your own cultural heritage.
November 30, 2009 10:47 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@Dwill1

I see some of our comments in the Article.........lol. They really be reading this Threads. We got to watch what we say now.
November 30, 2009 10:48 AM
 

Tomahawk_Rock said:

Reggaeton was catchy as hell when it first came out, but the novelty quickly wore off for me.  I appreciate that Latino's are bringing it to the table tho.
November 30, 2009 10:49 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@Tomahawk_Rock

I been recognize my Seminole Heritage, but i as i get older, I'm realizing i want to know more about it. I read lots of books about the Seminoles. You right, the Seminoles is a pretty large tribe, with a rich history. They originated in the SouthEast region, mostly Florida though. But they have a large population in Fla, GA, SC, NC. Also it's alot more now in TX and OK.
November 30, 2009 10:53 AM
 

Tomahawk_Rock said:

@liquidswords95

Books are the place to start, because thats the historical heritage.  A connection with a Seminole person would be a good look too, because it is then that you may be exposed to the current seminole lifestyle.  And, much like the black comunity, through open trust, have lost so much; so have the native americans.  So dont get discouraged if you at first get a less than desireable response.  In my tribe, you would be entitled to the knowledge and ways of our people, because you are a direct relation through your grandmother.

its also cool that your heritage validates my saying that there was intermingling, not very long ago, within the groups.

Do you, get your knowledge on, I support anyone that wants to make those kind of moves.
November 30, 2009 11:00 AM
 

silencer782 said:

Man f**k this overly politicized bullsh!t editorial.  I got plenty luv for latinos.  But sh!t that dont mean I gotta support illegal immigration.  Cuz likewise I know plenty of essays that will call a black person a "mayate" in a heartbeat.  

This dude sitting up there understating the level of comprehension and insulting the intelligence that blacks have about illegal immigration.  I was wit duke until he said that sh!t about blacks not supporting illegal immigration.  And he said the sh!t without making any rationale for why impoverished blacks SHOULD support illegal immigrants taking their jobs.  GTFOH with this bleeding heart bullsh_it.  

And then he has the nerve to present no real logic for why blacks should support illegal immigration other than:  "Duh,  well similar s**twas done to da black people a while back."  If we gon talk about s**tthat happened in the 1700's why not start with talking about how the indians hunted slaves, or the spanish transported and owned slaves.  Shit, the subjegation that occurred then is nowhere near the same s**thappening today wit illegal immigration.

And that liquidsword n!gga is right.  Essays never hire n!ggas on their stations.  But they got a ton of Hispanics on hip hop and r&b stations.  Hell Hispanics themselves got a shitload of double standards towards blacks.  Some of the s**tIve seen on the spanish channel is borderline blackface (and it WOULD BE considered such, if it were white people doing it).  So I think its ok if blacks dont want to be used by some Hispanics to further the cause of illegal immigration.  

Man, this birdbrain n!gga can kick rocks wit his pigsh!t editorial..real talk.

Dont get it twisted, Ive partied wit essays, dated latinas, kick it wit essays, gon to latin clubs, learned a good deal of spanish, know the culture and all that shit.  I just dont support illegal immigration, and I know a sh!tload of Hispanics that dont support the sh!t neither.
November 30, 2009 11:12 AM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

People made a comment about many hispanics at BEt and black stations but no blacks at spanish stuff.

Thats not a fair point. Spanish stations are run in spanish. I would assume that you would have to have an understanding of spanish to work there...

Also wat about Black Hispanics that work as said places?
November 30, 2009 11:13 AM
 

HipHopisHipHop said:

Early Latinos in hip hop music
According to B.Boy Omega, a writer for The Source, the first Latino in hip hop music was DJ Disco Wiz,[citation needed] a product of a Puerto Rican father and a Cuban mother who was born in The Bronx. DJ Disco Wiz, along with Casanova Fly (Grandmaster Caz), formed the pioneering Mighty Force Crew from 183rd Street and Valentine Avenue in the mid-1970s. Later on they both were joined by the first Latino MC, Prince Whipper Whip, a Puerto Rican[citation needed]. Whip, unlike Wiz was exclusively an MC; Wiz was a DJ too. Casanova Fly (Grandmaster Caz) would rap and DJ at the same time.

Since hip hop was experienced primarily via audio and not by video, most people never knew that DJ Disco Wiz was Puerto Rican and Cuban until they saw him. As explained by Kevie Kev in the book Yes Yes Yall, Prince Whipper Whip felt it necessary to keep his Afro-Puerto Rican background a secret in order to gain more positive acceptance. The audience perception of Whip as a Black-American made Rubie Dee the first public Puerto Rican MC according to the book. After DJ Disco Wiz, the second Puerto Rican DJ was an ex-salsa bassist turned DJ named Charlie Chase, who became the DJ along with DJ Tony Tone) for the Cold Crush Brothers[citation needed].

In 1981 a group called The Mean Machine released a 12" single on Sugar Hill Records called "Disco Dream" which was the first rap record to emphasize Spanglish.[citation needed] In the same year The Sugar Hill Gang featured a solo by Tito Puente on “The Sugar Hill Groove”. DJ and producer Tony Touch also mentions (in an interview on blackmagazine.it) the track "Spanglish" by Spanish Fly & The Terrible 2, came out in the same year on Enjoy Records but was not as well known.

In the early to mid-1980s quite a few Latin-Caribbean rappers and DJ’s hit the scene. Producer and DJ Master OC and The Devastating Tito were both a part of The Fearless Four[citation needed]. The Master OC was also the producer of another crew named The Fantasy 3 which featured another Puerto Rican MC named Charlie Rock. Both of these crews were from Harlem. Out of the East New York section of Brooklyn came Prince Markie Dee of The Fat Boys, who later went on to produce Mary J Blige; and Wise, the beat box from Stetsasonic. Both were Puerto Rican; as was Super Lover Cee from the Astoria Projects in Queens. Like Whipper Whip; Markie, Wise and Super Lover Cee's ethnic heritage was not that well known. Other lesser known MCs and DJs included Johnny Rock, DJ Candido, DJ Muscle and DJ Shiz who were all Puerto Ricans from The Bronx, while Mr. L of the TDR crew was half Puerto Rican and half Dominican. DJ Dr. Dust along with his DJ partner and cousin DJ Duran from the Bronx are considered to be the first Dominican DJs in Hip-Hop (documented in The BX Factor magazine in 1996).[citation needed] Of Brazilian heritage, Breez Evahflowin from the Hell's Kitchen section of Manhattan, and is most famous as a member of The Stronghold Crew is the first MC in hip hop with parents from Brazil.[citation needed]
November 30, 2009 11:13 AM
 

LImelight09 said:

  liquidswords95 said:
@Dwill1

I see some of our comments in the Article.........lol. They really be reading this Threads. We got to watch what we say now.

n***a SAY SORRY!!! HAHAH f***ot
November 30, 2009 11:24 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

 
@LImelight09

You need to say sorry to your parents, for being such a disappointment.
November 30, 2009 11:31 AM
 

LImelight09 said:

 liquidswords95 said:
 
@LImelight09

You need to say sorry to your parents, for being such a disappointment.

ALL THAT ILL s**tYALL WAS SAYING BOUT THEM RICE AND BEANS n***as!! U KNOW THEY WOULD BEAT YA ASS...PLUS HOW U GONNA HAVE A BLACK PERSON HOST A SPANISH SPEAKING SHOW IF THEY CNT SPEAK SPANISH DUMMY??? ALWAYS TRYING TO SOUND SMART...n***a BUT U f**k IT ALL UP WIT YA RACIS DRIVING HEART...PLEASE KILL YA SELF FOR 1 OF THEM WET BACKS DO IT...IM DONE WIT U
November 30, 2009 11:41 AM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

Unity between the black and hispanic community is a joke. First of all...we can't even achieve unity within the black commuunity amongst ourselves.

This article is biased and cries victimization without any real valid proof.


Are you crazy...you think that black men in hip hop should champion for latino causes? When do you see influential prominent latinos standing up for black causes? Name one Latino who fought or died for our civil rights in this country in the 50's and 60's.

You must be from New York.

Outside of New York...In cities like Chicago and L.A. there is absolutely no connection between blacks and latinos.

Mexicans are just like Indians, Arabs, Chinese, Whites, and Africans in they feel and believe that they are better than us.

Why....someone please explain to me why would I care about what's happening with another race when my own race has so many problems.

The way it should be and the way it is are two totally different things.

It should be that everyone is unified...Koombya...

The reality is that it's EVERY MAN FOR HIM SELF and has allwaysbeen that way...stand up for your own...help your own...that's what they do.

Whoever wrote this article is crazy.
November 30, 2009 11:43 AM
 

gorgan said:

I wouldn't get to hung up on this , cos when I say I don't mess with a lot of spanish people . I don't even hang with a lot of afro american BLACKS . Because us Jamaicans are very tight nit

Thing is Light skin blacks got beef with dark skin blacks and vice versa

asian muslims and seiks  hate each other and they look the same to me

I've heard Puerto Rican's curse the f**k out of mexican's , ain't they both latin ?

A lot of white irish american's hate the etablishment even worse than a niqqa do

A lot of Latino chicks hate certain white chicks cos they think there trying to steal there look

African blacks hate West Indian blacks and vice versa

WHAT YOU GONNA DO ? IT IS WHAT IT IS
November 30, 2009 11:49 AM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@LIQUIDSWORDS95

I SEE A COMMENT I MADE UP THERE TOO...........IT WAS THE ONE THAT SAID I JUST WANT LISTEN  TO IT...............JUST BECAUSE I DON'T LISTEN TO SPANISH RAP.........IT AINT NO BIG DEAL...........I JUST DON'T FEEL THE MUSIC


LIMELIGHT09

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November 30, 2009 11:50 AM
 

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November 30, 2009 11:50 AM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@PEACETOTHEREAL1

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.............WE GOT TO LOVE OURSELVES FIRST.............BEFORE WE CAN LOVE ANYONE ELSE.......... ITS TRUE ALOT OF LATINO ACTIVIST NEVER STAND UP FOR THE BLACK CAUSE..............BUT THEY WANT US TO STAND FOR THEIRS.......WHATEVER..........THE BLACK RACE BEEN EXPLOITED MORE THAN ANY OTHER RACE...........WE STILL CARRY THE WHITEMAN LAST NAME............MOSTLY LATINOS HAVE THEIR OWN LAST NAME.....OUR HISTORY IS CUTOFF.........IT'S DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALOT OF BLACK FOLKS TO TRACE THEIR ROOTS.........
November 30, 2009 11:55 AM
 

HipHopisHipHop said:

PHOENIX (Reuters) - U.S. Hispanics turned out in force to vote for Democrat Barack Obama on Tuesday, contributing to his wins in key battleground states in the Southwest and Florida, exit polls showed.
A CNN national exit poll found that 66 percent of Latinos voted for Sen. Obama, who is poised to become the first black president in U.S. history, with 32 percent supporting his Republican rival, John McCain, an Arizona senator.

Hispanics are a key bloc that makes up 15 percent of the U.S. population and 9 percent of the electorate, and had been expected to play a key role in swing states that Obama won on Tuesday, including Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico and Florida
November 30, 2009 12:00 PM
 

LImelight09 said:

  PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:
Unity between the black and hispanic community is a joke. First of all...we can't even achieve unity within the black commuunity amongst ourselves.

This article is biased and cries victimization without any real valid proof.


Are you crazy...you think that black men in hip hop should champion for latino causes? When do you see influential prominent latinos standing up for black causes? Name one Latino who fought or died for our civil rights in this country in the 50's and 60's.

You must be from New York.

Outside of New York...In cities like Chicago and L.A. there is absolutely no connection between blacks and latinos.

Mexicans are just like Indians, Arabs, Chinese, Whites, and Africans in they feel and believe that they are better than us.

Why....someone please explain to me why would I care about what's happening with another race when my own race has so many problems.

The way it should be and the way it is are two totally different things.

It should be that everyone is unified...Koombya...

The reality is that it's EVERY MAN FOR HIM SELF and has allwaysbeen that way...stand up for your own...help your own...that's what they do.

Whoever wrote this article is crazy

WET BACK MUST HAVE BEAT YA ASS B4....SMH IT ALL GOOD MY n***a
November 30, 2009 12:01 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

So, So, True Sharp-Shooter, Peacetothereal1 was on-point as well.........
November 30, 2009 12:02 PM
 

LImelight09 said:

  Sharp_Shooter said:
@LIQUIDSWORDS95

I SEE A COMMENT I MADE UP THERE TOO...........IT WAS THE ONE THAT SAID I JUST WANT LISTEN  TO IT...............JUST BECAUSE I DON'T LISTEN TO SPANISH RAP.........IT AINT NO BIG DEAL...........I JUST DON'T FEEL THE MUSIC


LIMELIGHT09

YOUR BITCHASS STILL TALKING SHIT............TAKE YOUR MUT ASS SOMEWHERE..........YOU THE ALLHIPHOP TOILET............. NIGGAHS KEEP SHITTING ON YOU..............SO GO CUT YOUR THROAT..........YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

THREE WORD....f**k YOU n***a....U GET NO MORE PLAY...NOBODY LIKES U ON HERE..NOBODY TALKS TO U...U ALREADY DEAD
November 30, 2009 12:03 PM
 

coughdrop said:

trinnidywilliams- that point does not wash because some African Americans know spanish that is a lot of bulls**t . the point is black people have been used and s**ton by a lot of people. and we have to clean up our internal fighting before we worry about hispanic people. they can hire a black man to run the boards that know spanish.
November 30, 2009 12:07 PM
 

CMWtheGreat1 said:

Niggaz are trained to hate on another man's success plain and simple.
November 30, 2009 12:08 PM
 

Twitter Trackbacks for Editorial : Healing Hip-Hop??????s Racial Wounds???????Between Blacks and Browns, That Is [allhiphop.com] on Topsy.com said:

November 30, 2009 12:10 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

Like i said we all Brothers, but i ain't going to unite with no one, who don't want to unite with me. Black and Latino tensions will always exist, that's just the world we live in. I'm against Illegal Immigration myself, The White Owned Corporations is the real winner's in Illegal Immigration. They making large profit margins, while the Latino and Hispanic workers make low wages, and Black folks job's get taken because they can hire cheap labor.
November 30, 2009 12:12 PM
 

HipHopisHipHop said:




In 1829, AfroMexican President Vicente Guerrero signed a decree banning slavery in the Mexican Republic.


There are, of course, many angles from which to view the escalating immigration debate. Mexican immigrants, who constitute the largest share of the undocumented, have a unique history with the African population inside the United States. As the Black community weighs in on this very contentious issue, it becomes necessary for us - both black and brown - to review the history that we share.

However, before reviewing our history together, I need to say unequivocally that the U.S. seizure of more than half of Mexico's territory in 1848 netted Washington more than 80 percent of Mexico's fertile land and was a criminal act. And that if Mexico today still included California and Texas, she would possess more oil than Saudi Arabia and have sufficient economic infrastructure to employ all of her people.

When Mexican people say that "the border crossed us, we did not cross the border," they speak the truth, and more Black people - most of whom are not strangers to oppression, exploitation, domination and exclusion - need to appreciate that.

It has been said that for most of the 19th century, Mexican immigrants were more highly regarded by African Americans than any other immigrant group. What may account for this, at least in part, is the enormous if not pivotal role undertaken by Black fighters in the war to secure Mexican independence from Spain and abolish slavery. Unfortunately, many of us repeat the falsehoods of our adversaries and have forgotten our special relationship with Mexican and Indigenous peoples.
November 30, 2009 12:16 PM
 

KingDred69 said:

Although this writer hit a few key elements on the ancestral lineage

he's gotten way off course with some things. On that note, you

weren't speaking to the late 30 to early 40 community in Hip Hop

because I believe we're at the stage where we understand that

bravado and braggadocio are key ingredients in this brand of

music. Having a compettitive spirit is also paramount so of course

Hip Hop heads are looking over the aisle at its newest baby

brother ''Latin Hip Hop'' as some cats call it, and maybe give it a

slap on the ass while it wobbles down the lane (remember

christian rap and I'm not talking Kirk Franklin). There is room for Hip

Hop to expand; its been moving globally for...how many decades

now? Truthfully, black folk haven't looked to today's ''Black

Leaders'' in a good minute; we check for them as much as you do.

They saw Obama coming down the lane for the presidency no

sooner than the rest of us...lol. AND CNN ANNOUNCED THE POPE is

releasing a cd where he is chanting scripture to music and

comparing it to ........HIP HOP MUSIC, The Holiest man in this

universe that we know of compared the words of the Holiest Being

in this universe that we know of to HIP HOP. CAN WE ALLOW OUR

LATINO SISTERS AND BROTHERS AT THE TABLE, PLEASE? AND no,

I'm not latin- I'm 100% mandingo, moreno, prieto, negrito, etc. One

last note, also describing the true Hip Hop heads in the late 30 to

40yr range, we've accepted cats like Pun, Fat Joe, Kid Frost, some

of that early Cypress Hill material because they made good Hip

Hop music, not because of the race of the artist. Our tastes having

a broader pallette these days, we also like jazz, orchestra, blues-

hey even some of the new country/western artists are putting out

some good sh%t. Honestly, I would hear a sample or a loop in Hip

Hop then hear the original on a jazz, rock or blues station then I'd

be turned on to that type of music as well. Those sub-genres

obviously felt the same effect because Hip Hop breathed new life

into many earlier works and revived a new interest in those artists.

I will also offer this; it's a shame how Hip Hop is the only sub-

genre that doesn't allow a legend to retire in peace; I'm not talking

about the cats that are already out of the game I mean the ones

who have been doing it for a decade or more and still doing it

because they fear they'll exit with a young ''spitter'' hot on their

trail going ''in'' on them. It's a cowardice ritual if you ask me- we

need to honor our current legends along with the pioneers; the

torch didn't travel this far just by chance. IT'S GOTTEN THIS FAR

WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, PERSEVERANCE AND DEFIANCE OF A

BLACK OR BROWN RUNAWAY SLAVE and I believe it would enhance

the Hip Hop culture tenfold to acknowlegde those befittingly and

bring the younger cats in line with what's really REAL in this type of

forward thinking and having real control over their careers.
November 30, 2009 12:16 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@ coughdrop

i cant speak for other region because there concentration of latinos is different.

Im from the NYC area we have alot of PR and Dominicans and cubans, BRazilians too. And allot of us are black.

My self I am dominican. and i just get offended when ppl tyry to mke it look like only mexicans speak for latinos. We are a range of people really bounded only by language and at that ish varies.

And a personally know black people working at telelmundo in ny. Also hispanicas come in many colors so its hard to pin us all.

Also dont for get that many hispanic nations like PR DR Cuba, Columbia, Panama wat have you were founded on the same slaves brought to the us. the difference is who colonized us....
November 30, 2009 12:21 PM
 

Tomahawk_Rock said:

@liquidswords95

Word, the Corporations pit groups against each other through offering false forms of security; like jobs, money, and a sub-par benefits package.
November 30, 2009 12:26 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

Peace to the AHH fam

@ Sharp_Shooter

Spanish folks don't have their original last name either, when the spaniards came, raped and maimed those folks they stripped the names and forced the catholic religion on them...

I'm from the north east and am a product of both black and spanish folks, literally, I understand that the rules are different here for the two races...but we do have a commonality, those pigs and whites hate us equally fellas!
November 30, 2009 12:33 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ liquidswords95

I do understand where you are coming from when you say you are against illegal immigration, they are valid but I do want to chime in on a few points...not all immigrants are hispanic! in fact the middle eastern cats, canadians and asians also come in illegally...also, the "jobs" that are being taken are low wage construction jobs that are available to anyone, it just happens that illegals will work for less for lack of knowledge/fear of deportation etc.  lastly, these people come here to escape the madness that is their home countries, I bet enyone in that position would do the same...
November 30, 2009 12:40 PM
 

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November 30, 2009 12:55 PM
 

djcbz said:

I have only one problem with my brown people!
Why can't you turn to their TV chanels and convert what they say to english? I can convert everything on my TV to spanish!

That is all!

My lady is mexican so let me just shut up now!lol!
November 30, 2009 12:57 PM
 

NYReppin716to718 said:

When I saw some of the posts on the last board all I could think was wow.

I do think it's a few other races that come on this site & say some foul s**tso they need to also check that.

But as far as this topic.I've had a few convos with people on here before about this & I think it's some foul things on both sides that only come down to ignorance.Some I build with already know,but i'm Black & Domincan & it's wild to me how many Blacks & Latino's are ignorant to the history we share along with Native Indians. Do the knowledge on Blacks & The Taino Indians.Yeah i'm a NewYorker,but that ain't got s**tto do with it.I was raised around Ricans,Blacks & Dominicans & wouldn't have it any other way.It's foul people on both sides that need a reality check. I've been to places in Colorado & kicked it Mexicans who to didn't give a f**k about that color shit.I've been to Texas & kick it with some cool as Mexicans. But those are just my experiences & I feel being on both sides of the coin it's time for that s**tto stop.Real is real no matter what it is.You come around the way you see Ricans living like Ni99as & you see Ni99as living like Ricans.Some Blacks need to get up on thier history & some Latinos need to stop denyin thiers.One major thing I have a problem with is some of my fellow Dominicans & some of the things that they are taught in D.R. I have Fam in Santo Domingo & some of the people over there have been lead down the wrong path.That skin creme s**tain't the move & they need to kill that ASAP! Latino's been in the game from day one. It just took Pun to open up the other people's eyes.All Blacks ain't fucked up towards Latino's & All Latino's ain't fucked up towards Blacks.Ask Cuban Link-he'll tell you in a minute he's Black too.Ask Tego.Ask Tony Touch he knows what it is.All the B/S needs to stop.

One To all My Ni99as Black & Latino ain't no difference Ni99a!  
November 30, 2009 12:59 PM
 

cyrus1 said:

i just hate everyone equally....i could give a f**k what your skin tone is...if u a piece of s**tthats just how u would get treated A PIECE OF SHIT
November 30, 2009 1:20 PM
 

Saint_Sinatra said:

Some of you have very warped senses of reality. Sure, we may have problems to fix within our own races, but we are all part of the same community. That type of thinking is responsible for a lot of the racial injustices that are faced across multiple races. Some of you only think as far as your front porch or the end of your street and that is the very close-mindedness that has led to tensions between races. Is it that far-fetched to think that we possibly have more to accomplish TOGETHER than we do on our own? As you can see, "on our own" has not accomplished much in the way of making OUR COMMUNITIES better. Having a black, a hispanic, and a native american on the same team is better than have the three individuals working on their own. Is it that hard to step outside of your own box to see the bigger picture? Some of you don't think past "what about me?" And don't get it twisted: I'm not on some sissy "we are the world" BS; but I do understand that we are all better off with each other and our problems will be much easier to overcome with so many avenues of resolution intersecting. One luv.
November 30, 2009 1:30 PM
 

icecold1727 said:

Latino's...stop using the "N-Word". I'm from NYC...Brooklyn, come to my block and call me a n***a and think you cool. Not goin' down like that...

Secondly, Black people were brought here unwillingly. Immigrants are trying to find ways to get here and stay here. How does that make our struggle similar? Because now that you're here and facing discrimination, there's no difference between us?

I don't dislike latinos. I just don't agree with the fact that people actually think black people are trying to "opress" the latino rap game. GTFOH with that.

Lastly, ignorance is bliss...I know. But damn, keep that sh*t to yourself. There are sections of New York(just like anywhere else) where black people and latino people live together, but the whole city is not like that. Sh*t, NYC is probably one of the most segregated areas in this country. I'm from Flatbush...West Indians got an area, the yankee blacks got an area, the jews so on and so forth.
November 30, 2009 1:33 PM
 

SNAPPA said:

Here in Boston latinos say Ni**a more than blacks.  ALOT more.  Like every 3rd word.  

I love flipping s**ton them.  "What up spics" "What cha spics doing today"  "You shoulda seen it..them spics was CRAZY"  "Fvck him. He is a bitchass s**c"  "Catch ya spics later"  

Try it.  It is HILARIOUS.  The amigos catch feelings REAL quick.
November 30, 2009 1:38 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

but them muthaf**kas, be looking good. Especially them Afro Brazilian Chicks,”

_______________________

That's one of my comments. How is that a bad comment towards Latino's? Afro Brazilian chicks do look good, but like the homie said, it's a high rate of disease over there, that's a fact. Also alot of Brazilians don't consider  themselves Latino, they don't even speak Spanish, they speak Portuguese.

___________________________

@NYCordinance

I'm speaking on thel Mexicans that come here Illegally, they can sneak in this country easily. I'm all for a person to better their lives and their situation, but do it Legally, not Illegally. I been to Mexico and some parts is bad and ran down, so i know what they trying to escape from.
November 30, 2009 1:42 PM
 

coughdrop said:

Trinnidy -lol im right in Bushwick Brooklyn im cool with a lot of Puerto Ricans and i stay patronized my local bodega but i feel tension in certain stores unecessarily if i am giving you my money like a hispanic brother just take it for what it is and not treat me like a criminal.  no one is going to stop Hispanic people from getting down with us but they have to act like they want to be down with us and realize that White People don't like there ass either. JUst today in Bushwick undercover cops are fucking with hispanics for nothing . but sometime s they are the same ones to act like the cops are our best friends.  and as teleumundo nah i know 5 people thatgot flat out turned down and there are zero people ofAfrican heritage working there. and i mean we should get alone but that falls on the latin people not us we open arms to everyone.
November 30, 2009 1:49 PM
 

coughdrop said:

Trinnidy -lol im right in Bushwick Brooklyn im cool with a lot of Puerto Ricans and i stay patronized my local bodega but i feel tension in certain stores unecessarily if i am giving you my money like a hispanic brother just take it for what it is and not treat me like a criminal.  no one is going to stop Hispanic people from getting down with us but they have to act like they want to be down with us and realize that White People don't like there ass either. JUst today in Bushwick undercover cops are fucking with hispanics for nothing . but sometime s they are the same ones to act like the cops are our best friends.  and as teleumundo nah i know 5 people thatgot flat out turned down and there are zero people ofAfrican heritage working there. and i mean we should get alone but that falls on the latin people not us we open arms to everyone.
November 30, 2009 1:49 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

Its funny people tripped up on context. If your gonna get offended on the use of n***a dont use it. And the word honestly has grown to have really two meanings. IDK Like i said i got black in me just like yall and i grew up in the hood just like yall. How am I different?
November 30, 2009 1:49 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:


coughdrop

Like i said i personally know black ppl that work at telemundo. And i cant speak for all hispanics I speak for myself and my fam. But at the same time lets not act liek racism comes from both sides. I dont like to be like that but lets be real the racism comes both ways.

Wat makes no sense is we BOTH Blacks and Hispanics fight racism with racism. That ish is wack. Also like I said what about black hispanics? Such as my fam. I cant speak for every one. Like i said befor the cops look at us all the same
November 30, 2009 1:54 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ liquidswords95

Mexicans are here illegally for the most part, as other cultures and races, and to an extent I agree that they should come legally, the only problem is in order to be here legally, you need a grip of money to go through the process (which most folks don't have, that's why they are here illegally) and/or get student visas which by the way expire as soon as school does.  I honestly don't think there is a right or wrong answer to this debate, big homie.  Truth be told a lot of hispanics that I know don't even like being in the US but are forced to for the pay/kids born here/wartorn countries, etc...


I know that black folks were enslaved and made to come here which is quite different than scaling a wall to be here, not to beat a dead horse but these folks in south america also face death squads (El Salvador), poverty (eating out of trash cans) and greedy governments who do not give assistance and in fact seize land under the "patron" rule.  I know this is an essay but facts are facts my people.
November 30, 2009 1:55 PM
 

kuulski said:

@SNAPPA, Any latino that would be offended by s**c are only offended because the person calling them a s**c is you. s**c doesnt bother me and im from the hood. Just like I say Ni%$# all da time to my peeps cause im from the hood and dats how we ALL speak. Lets not confuse Illegal imigrants with the latinos that are born here and from here and have the same slave ancestors as yourself. The facts are this Puerto Ricans / dominicans/ cubans/ mexicans come from 2 blood lines the african slaves and the American Indians. So..in theory we were already here when the slave ships arrived. But seriously lets all play nice..in 20 years we will be the majority. Census estimates this will be very soon lets not forget who the enemy iz it seems the people that struggled through the Racism at its peeks may have forgotten to educate their kids on what team they are playing for. Its all about EQUAL opportunity for all. Allhiphop.com is not innocent in area either. I believe the title for the site sometimes refers to all BLACK etc...Well Latinos had a hand in the BEGINNING of hip hop and always influenced Hip Hop Culture. Get educated.
November 30, 2009 1:59 PM
 

coughdrop said:

ain't no tension coming from black people .period if a hispanic female even remotely looks at me hispanic dudes wanna fight but let a black chick with a fat ass walk by and they talk to them. it cannot be one sided. and everyone needs to stop the bulls**t . in my opinion
November 30, 2009 2:05 PM
 

zae kodama said:

Yooooooooooo... you know what alot of you sound like???

WHITE PEOPLE.... white people said they wanted to get rid of ni**ers cuz they taking up all the jobs and ruining america hahahahaha!!! Well guess what its the sp*cs turn. hahahaha.

the funny s**tis i can tell sometimes when im talkin to one of my niggaz(in this case a black cat) that some other dudes be lookin at me sideways...i wish they would try...they probably thinkin my dudes are gonna side with'em but the boi in for a rude awakening. my niggaz know how i know. if my n***a be like you a mofo sp*c banana eating, high water wearing... i dont care if we in the middle of puerto rico, my dude knows between me and him its 100 im just gonna laugh. same as if i be like what up u tree swinging, fried chicken eatin. my n***a gonna know waz good. i dont care if u black or puerto rican u are not better then me and vice versa. ans how the f**k u expectr black people to go to a reggaeton concert when muafu%%as dont even know what the hell ppl are saying? and how u expect spanish people to be at a all hip hop "black club" when spanish people listen to ALLLLLLL KINDS of music!!!! not just hip hop. in a spanish club you'll here raggae reggaton socca claypso rap sals merengue even fucken african rhythm type s**ttoo u know why cuz our music originates from AFRICA u stupid mothafckas. tell me how many of your black people still play congas and s**thahahahaha none.....some hmmmm do you know? oh and racism is a color thing not a specific race. ppl try to make it a race issue. but its hard to tell a dark skinned domincan from a black dude and a light skin cape verdean from a puerto rican. and a light skin spanish with blue eyes froma white dude....so shut the fck up with that buillshyt..... its about your SKIN. your HAIR. your EYES. you dont look like me so i should treat u as such...anything other then that and u lying to yourself and i havent looked at yourself in a long time....

peace to my niggz spiks crackas and all in between i got love for everyone!!!
November 30, 2009 2:07 PM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

Saint Sinatra...what are you suggesting?
You say that what we've been trying hasn't worked?

How are we thinking in a box by being practical?

It's not practical to think that some sort of full scale unification can happen between blacks and latinos in this country.

It is....what it is fam.

We don't need to waste our time and energy worrying about anyone else...trust me...they're not worried about us.

What we need to do is spend more time mentoring and motivating and giving to our own communities.

You say you're not on some we are the world shit....

If not...then what are you saying?

This is life...and in life the game is every man for his self.

To be honest...It's like that within the race...it's like that within family.

You don't give all your money to your cousins and aunts and uncles...and not take care of your kids and your mom do you? Hell no.

So why in the hell would you waste your energy and resources helping someone else when your own need that energy and those resources even more?

We are the world....
November 30, 2009 2:08 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@ coughdrop

thats my thing i never disagreeed that latino is on the bs. Both sides are. Like here in Newark NJ its 75% black i hear alot of ish from black and alot form the Latinos they both wrong in my op.

Blacks side with me cuz they think im black so ive heard they side and latinos do the same when they find out i aint black.. Like dude said soon it will be Us Blacks and Hispanics running the country so we all need to drop the ish.
November 30, 2009 2:10 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ coughdrop

I get grilled all the time by black folks when I pop up with my african queen homie, dirty looks are everywhere!
November 30, 2009 2:14 PM
 

HotCharlotte said:

Im mad that ignorant comments on the pages prompt an article about racism.
November 30, 2009 2:27 PM
 

dream_shatterer said:

Truest s**tever written on this site. As an AfroCuban/Puerto Rican myself, I've gotta say that the level of ignorance out there is sickening.

First of all, if we're going to talk history, inform yourselves and know that Afrikans came to the Americas long before Columbus' fraudelant ass did. However, they were betrayed by the Spanish and Portuguese (Afrikans showed them the best route to get to the Americas, and also helped build their sails and such. Look up on Dr. Ivan Van Sertima.), and thus slavery took place. The same Afrikans that eventually came in slave ships to what we call the USA today, were the same slaves that were dragged into the Caribbean and South America. Both the Afrikans and the Native Indians (in my case, the Tainos) were enslaved. And both faced genocide at some point or another.

Centuries have passed and aint nothing changed. I'm from NY, and I can tell you that there's no ghetto project housing in the north east cost that doesn't have a Latino family in it. So we've been in this same struggle together for what seems to be like forever. Brown people have to deal with the same s**tBlack people do. From discrimination, to racial profiling, to just being put in a fucked up environment designed to keep us down (ghetto/barrios).

With that said though, I can't deny that some Latinos identify themselves with Caucasians. The fact that they call themselves Hispanics says a lot. You see, Spain is all the way across the pond, so they can't call themselves latinos (the term comes from America Latina/Latin America)... and if you know anything about history/geography, you know that most Spaniards are white. So as a result of ignorance you've got Latinos calling Spain "La Madre Patria" (The Mother Land) not knowing that they're already IN THEIR MOTHER LAND! Chances are that you're not a direct descendant from a spaniard, but you most likely are from a native indian! But then of course you've got the "white" latinos, who just plain renounce any possibility that they've got afrikan and native indian in their blood, and they've been brainwashed into having the "white supremacy" train of thought.

Sadly, I've seen this all too closely. See one of my great grandfathers (there's always two sides) was a Spaniard. He came to Puerto Rico and married a Rican woman, had a dozen of babies w/ only one of them being female. The female turned out to be my grandmother, who fell in love with and married an AfroCuban male. Most of my fam on my grandmothers side forever resented her for that because she "ruined the race". Well they had 4 kids, one of wich being my mom, who turned out to be the darkest.  So I grew up seeing racism in my own family and as a result of that, and learning some real history, I couldn't give a fukk about my Spanish ancestry and fully embrace my Afrikan and Taino culture.

We all need to stop this bulls**t, yo. We all have a common goal and a common 'enemy'. I'm cool w/ everyone who's respectful no matter your race, ethnicity, or creed. We just need to stop further segregating ourselves and UNITE, because TOGETHER we are not the minority we've been forced to believe that we are, but we are the MAJORITY and the power and strength is in the numbers.

Peace.
November 30, 2009 2:33 PM
 

dream_shatterer said:

P.S. - And the haters say Pun was all multi's and nothing else. Read that article and tell me he wasn't dropping lyrical gems. Props for highlighting that, Tolu.
November 30, 2009 2:42 PM
 

HipHopisHipHop said:

Has anybody read some of my comments.This s**there has turned into a my race is better than yours bulls**t. Yo i'm Latino living in the south Atl to be exact and i've never had any problems with any race and you all know that down in the south is bit different when it comes to different races. My opinion people get respect based on how they carry themselves does'nt matter where the hell you come from.
November 30, 2009 2:44 PM
 

kuulski said:

@dream_shatterer, Props on ur post right on homie.

November 30, 2009 2:54 PM
 

odoggz said:

Latinos are not the enemy! I can't believe the hate, then again I fully understand where it's coming from. Rap music, itself is on the decline, due to such wack ass acts coming to the forefront, to represent, yet they offer nothing in the way of real talent or musical talent- Calle ocho plays instrument, can your ass? no!  White people can easily out-rap most of the top artists today.  Black rap act, today, offer just an "image" of intimidation, that's what rap is today, who can scare you the most- and if they scare you, you buy their album so you can play it LOUD and hopefully sound just as intimidating to others. It's not music anymore to me.

It's the realization that rap needs better talent, a whole string of untouchable artists, like we had in the 90s, which doesn't exist today. So insecurity is that something latin will come and eclipse what little is left of black rap music popularity, like many perceived happened in other facets of life. Same fear as many have with black political issues, getting sidestepped due to oncoming latino influx and outnumbering by latinos. FEAR that you'll no longer be relevant is what it is and the 'new n***as' will be the focus.

Now, you see other races/ethnicities getting on, with the mic, and you see it as a threat, especially as they get awards too and make money- even if they don't do the same music as you? PATHETIC! You don't want others to eat like you ate for so long. So it was fine that you got yourself out of poverty with rap, and expressed your thoughts on CD/Wax, as blacks, but no one else can do the same thing? WTF is up with that?

And about Reggaeton, before you had all this today, we had BORICUA GUERRERO, DJ Nelson stuff like that, and that Boricua Guerrero mix featured MANY top rap acts (Nas, Busta..., in their prime, on a complete CD of their double LP!!! At that time, the beats were more like Jamaican Dancehall, which Panama Reggaeton seems to still favor. Mind you, that was over like 13 years ago! These black rappers knew they had to help their brothers eat and represent. Why? Because these rappers knew they were top of the class, made top notch music, so they were never scared of being dethroned, knowing what became Reggaeton would flourish under its own banner.  That confidence is gone from blacks today. You know rap acts SUCK today, so another music is going to steal the limelight.

It's that same fear in Boxing, a formerly black dominated field, you see a bunch of non-blacks dominating every damn belt out there. Why? Black youths today are not the same blacks anymore, the hustle to maintain the limelight has faded.  Getting lazy and sloppy when others are hungry dethrones you, blame yourself for the hate, not them. We can all share in the glory but don't let your jealousy and lack of quality fuel your insecurities.  Black people are forever complaining about someone else to deflect personal blame, focus on yourself if you have to get on stage and steal the limelight from Taylor Swift to get attention. lol  arrggh black award winning is under attack by every other race/ethnicity. lol
November 30, 2009 2:57 PM
 

dream_shatterer said:

@kuulski, that's what's up.
November 30, 2009 3:06 PM
 

odoggz said:

@ NYCordnance
don't apologize or give in to this race bulls**t just to not be a villain on the boards. Say what you feel! There are MANY different ethnicities here, illegally, still, if blacks were in the position they SHOULD BE BY NOW, then this would be a non-issue.  Well-off black people aren't crybabying about illegal mexicans taking their jobs, they're talking about the cost to the country- good or bad. It's poor blacks who should be doing better, or should have DONE BETTER, in life by now, but are on the same socio-economical level as poor ethnic immigrants, who are the people bitching. This will only continue to get worse as the middle class becomes the poor class, in the next few years. Blacks, back in the days, faced this anger from Italians, Jews and Irish as blacks came to take jobs, as well as Chinese people, and now we throw Latino in the mix.  Motherfuks need to do better for yourselves, try harder, so we can hear a loss less complaining! I can't excuse the racism all because lazy ass fukers are mad at other poor people excelling where their lazy asses did not. Incredible!   Mind you, successful blacks get the same HATE from other blacks, when they're not stereotypical and make something of themselves, and it's the same hate used to deflect blame off of the real losers in life.
November 30, 2009 3:07 PM
 

coughdrop said:

@ny cordance -man i do not trip off that s**tbecause i know damn well if i see a hispanic female im gonna holla at her . so i cannot be no hypocrite when i have been with tonsof hispanic females. it comes a time when we realize we got 1 enemy. them white mother fuckers do not like none of us. we need to work together. period
November 30, 2009 3:13 PM
 

Azriel01 said:

I'm mexican and most definitely proud of my heritage, but i've never really had issues with blacks. Actually i'm in a rap crew with nothing but black people so I dont really have a choice.

It's true that out here on the west coast that there's probably more beef between the black/brown community than anywhere else but at the same time there's been more love than people want to give it credit for as of late because of one thing...hip hop.

A lot of local rappers of different races have been hooking up out here just cause they wanna make good music together and start a new community for hip hop. Is it still bad, well if it wasnt there wouldn't be an article on here about it, but there are people (including myself) who really dont give a s**tabout it and wanna move forward, that should be acknowledged as well to inspire positivity and hope for change.
November 30, 2009 3:15 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ odoggz

point well taken but to be honest I just present my ideas in a logical manner and leave the BS behind, I can appreciate a brash delivery but most folks can't, and I don't care to verbally spar with folks that a) I've never met b) can be taken out of context so my original point is lost.  but I have to throw in I never apologized for anything, just sstating my point of view my dude.
November 30, 2009 3:17 PM
 

Azriel01 said:

@odoggz

Completely co-sign that, and trust me I can relate I came here illegally and didn't get my green card til I was 18.

Did I work illegally before that.....let's just say i'd rather be doing what I gotta do than see me my mom struggle to pay the rent.
November 30, 2009 3:18 PM
 

CeJota said:

I too would like to comment on our african culture is instilled in our food,palos/drums,merengue, and almost everything bout us in fact the first slaves where brought to DR santo domingo where colon landed.....therefore I don't understand the beef with u say black and brown although most dominicans where Im from is black
November 30, 2009 3:21 PM
 

POWER_720 said:

this topic should be at cease. cause if it was not for the Blacks & Puerto Ricans out East, none of this rap s**twould be in front of us today. and yes certain parts of regions in america Latins are ni66az. im living with it comfortably!!!! UZN big upz !!!!

ZULU u KnOw HoW wE dO!!!!
November 30, 2009 3:22 PM
 

CeJota said:

@ azriel01
if they were more understanding of that ......if only if some would be able to see the struggle in Dom Rep ,would they still say kick em out? civil rights movement? Puerto Ricans had it just as rough during that time accepted by neither white nor afro american in most cases.....hard to take on a movement that excludes u
November 30, 2009 3:25 PM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

ODOGGZ. Trust me...black people aren't thinking about mexicans...white people on the other hand are...they don't want mexicans in the country for their own reasons.


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November 30, 2009 3:34 PM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

It trips me out that people claim that their dominican republic  roots embrace African Heritage. Come on son....people in DR hate dark skin and african features so much that your guy Samy Sosa is bleaching his skin.

I'm Black
I'm educated
I work
I am a good father
I'm aware
and I love myself

Most would rather I be the exact opposite of that....F them.
November 30, 2009 3:45 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ PEACETOTHEREAL1

so sammy sosa defines a whole cultures attitude?
November 30, 2009 3:49 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@PEACETOTHEREAL1

Dont generalize dude im dominican my most  of my family is dark im lighter but my sisters came out very dark skin. we embrace our color. And if you look at the fam you would think that we were mostly black folk. Not all dominicans act like that.  OR think like that.

Dont use Sammy as the example. Thats like me using Michael Jackson as the example for all black people. Thats not fair.

November 30, 2009 3:58 PM
 

odoggz said:

@Azriel01
These are the same people who said Barack Obama wasn't 'black enough'- mind you he was always poor, parents were flunkies so had to go live with his grandma, was a goddamn outsider and loner due to no one wanting to really be around him since he was BLACK in Hawaii and Asia... how much more BLACK can an experience get??? Nope, not real, to these blacks, why? BECAUSE HE GOT SELF EDUCATED AND BECAME PRESIDENT DESPITE THIS!  Only blacks who could appreciate the hustle like the guy, jealous losers in life say "he's not black!"

@Peacetotheiral1
I am Dominican and I'll be the first to tell you most DR folks DO NOT WANT TO EVER EVER EVER be considered black. I know this first hand, and most hate Haitians for being black.  Latin America has not seen a Civil Rights, thus the post slavery mentalities are huge there, with serious hate for black skin. DR chicks would rather have a baby with a Chinese person (although Chinese are undesirable to them) just so the babies can have 'good hair'- pelo bueno. I'm dead ass, I was appalled by Chinese business partner, who owns a series of cabañas (mini hotel to go f**k a chick aka PUSH BUTTON if you're in Panama) telling me this shit. Now Chinese people are the hottest s**taround, as long as DR chicks don't have to get a Haitian. lol Wow.
and about your skin cream comment, From India to Africa to Jamaica to America, these other blacks use that crap too, so stop fronting. African Americans struggle with the same issues, need I remind you of Michael Jackson- or did you forget him that quickly? He struggled with a ton of black hate issues. Tiger Wood won't even support a black community effort or speak out about racial injustices, then gets himself a white chick... actually look at most black women with their weaves and colored contacts... get real homie, US has a self hatred too. If you forgot, the DOLL TEST done last year netted the same results as when DR Clarke did it decades ago, on US BLACK KIDS.  Stop acting like DR is a problem when Americanized blacks should KNOW BETTER BY NOW yet have failed!
November 30, 2009 3:59 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@ odoggz

Its funny u say that it must be where ur fam from they make fun of me for being the light one. The hate for Haitians comes from when haiti took over the country and we had to get out independence back. the color stigma exist all arount the carribean and also in other parts around the workd where ever you find dark ppl you l find people taht wanna be lighter.
November 30, 2009 4:06 PM
 

odoggz said:

@ trinnydwilliams
lol you'd still get more ass than a darker skinned person in DR!  lol Lightskin black in America is white down in DR.  The other hatred of Haitians is, much like illegal immigrants, Haitians take the physical labor jobs- and now the house keeping is under fire by Haitian female works. So that's double the hate. lol  People ignorant to DR should know the dictator Trujillo slaughtered 35,000 Haitians for being black, and that also contributed to people's rejection of being black- FEAR. Mind you, Trujillo was part Haitian too.  So the Dominicans, in his time, help continue the hate of dark skin which produced offspring like Sammy Sosa and later generations. Trujillo also went on a whitening mission to invite Europeans to take up land in Sosua, DR, if they would just take some land and mate with the DR women, to make whiter skinned Dominicans. No lie. So in my mind, Trujillo helps stir the pot more, in this century.
November 30, 2009 4:18 PM
 

$INeedMoney$ said:

It really doesn't matter to me at all.  Good music is good music and good people are good people.  It doesn't matter what race you are to me.  If you're an @sshole, then stay far away from me.  If you're a positive person, then we can kick it.  Ever since I've been listening to hip-hop music, I've heard the likes of Kid Frost, Cypress Hill, Beatnuts, Fat Joe, Big Pun, Noreaga, and Mellow Man Ace.  All those dudes are good hip hop artists.  Where I'm from black and brown are segregated.  It's always been like that and it seems that Hispanics are happy with the way things are.  They don't bother us and we don't bother them.  That's just the way it is.
November 30, 2009 4:19 PM
 

INDO said:

trinnydwilliams said:
Im hispanic and I use the N word.... But not in the bad context. Thats how we talk im from the hood too.

The prob with the N word is that id Black ppl have such a problem with It then dont use it. the people i know that really get offended by it dont use it themselves. But that doenst represent a whole.

We call ourselves spics. and put it this way like i said before Im Dominican and have some black features my ancestors was slaves for Africa just like yours and the police look at me just like they look at you. Differnce is that where my parents come from spanish settled where you come from english. But the stories are the same.
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HOW COME U DONT HERE NIGGAZ CALLING EACH OTHER ESE'S BUT MEXICANS THINK ITS OK TO CALL EACH OTHER NIGGAZ. THATS THE ONLY PROBLEM THEIR IS WITH THESE LATINS. AT LEAST MEXICANS ON THE WEST KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY ARE. YOU WOULD NEVER HEAR A MEXICAN ON THE WEST SAYING "WHAT U MY n***a?" TO A BUNCH OF OTHER MEXICANS WITH NO NIGGAZ AROUND. LATINOS THINK THAT SHITS COOL TO SAY LIKE IF U FROM THE HOOD THEN U A n***a. BE PROUD TO BE YOURSELF AND STOP d**k RIDING NIGGAZ!
November 30, 2009 4:24 PM
 

dwill1 said:

Soon after, it developed into a full-blown misogynist café, filled with intellectually-paralyzed rants against Latina females: “…Latin chicks are only in it to get married so that she can get her papers,” “s**tI HERE THEY HAVE A HIGH RATE OF THAT HIV IN BRAZIL BRA. SOME OF THAT p***y WE SEE THAT LOOK GOOD MAY COME WITH CONSEQUENCES FEEL ME,” “Yeah you right, about they be having them diseases, but them muthaf**kas, be looking good. Especially them Afro Brazilian Chicks,” “HELL YEA THEM MUTHAF**KAS LOOK LIKE LIL CARAMEL CANDIES. MAKE YOU WANNA EAT THEY *** UP. BUT THEN YOU FIND OUT THE CANDY IS ROTTEN INSIDE,” “Word up Ive heard alot of stuff about brazil, mostly because i hear the women there are very loose and you got ppl from all around the world trying to smash.”

the consequences and the caramel candies were my remarks. and it was taking out of context. i was just passing info that i picked up. i was not trying to offend anyone. my wife is hispanic so i am not racist against latins. but this is rap music and i have a choice to support what i like. i am sorry if i have not heard a latin artist that i thought was hot besides LOSO.

that does not mean i harbor some ill feelings towards latins. that just means they need to step they rap game up. i do not listen to NAS music does that mean i do not like black people. i heard that AFRICA has a high rate of HIV. does that mean i am giving an intellectually-paralyzed rant about AFRICAN chicks. know that means i am quoting what i heard. come on AHH yall tripping putting me on blast like that.

I AM NOT A FUCKING RACIST MAYBE INSENSITIVE AND RUDE BUT RACIST HELL NO.
November 30, 2009 4:27 PM
 

yourconnexx said:

i didnt read this whole thing. but come on fam ... you cant go by what two knuckle heads on this site were saying. most likely the two (or more) people talking in that exchange were no older than 15 years old. i wouldnt hold that up there with a serious situation between the two groups of people. i cant even think of anyone i know off the top of my head who hates latinos (im black btw). and one more thing ... yes people were brought here as slaves during the slave trade etc ... but blacks and latinos are native to the americas fam. we were here on these two continents before slavery and even before columbus
November 30, 2009 4:28 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@ odoggz
Lol yea but imma get mad ass in DR just cuz im from here... They love them some american boys...
Def i know about that And also the American gov help put Trujillo in power. So it all boils down to Americanization in the long run. But we do respect out culture dependind where you from feel. Theres alot to the Haitian thing and DR not just color. But at the same time I feel like its all stupid every time I hear of some one negating the african roots quickly tell them to learn they history.
But not all of us like that. But you gotta treat a country like a country DR has ALOT of races within.

The same case is in Cuba there is very little mixing in the Cuban popualation, Pr too.
November 30, 2009 4:29 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@  INDO

Dude do you consider your self a **** ? Are you proad to be a **** ? Mexicans can do wat they please but in a whole they make up is different then mines. I know how it is where im from. Mexicans in Cali ran up on my boy fro having his DR flag in his car..


IT has nothing to do with d**k riding. And like i said before if its a black thing Ill quickly point out that my roots are in Africa just like yours..
Not all latinos are the same and not all situations are the same.. Just cuz we all speak spanish dont mean we the same. Police look at me as another n***a on the street and the opinion dotn change when they find out i can speak spanish.

Like I said if you offended of the word dont use it your self.
November 30, 2009 4:35 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ dwill1

what up fam!

"i am sorry if i have not heard a latin artist that i thought was hot besides LOSO"

damn what about pun and joell ortiz, both those cats leave LOSO and his love songs in the dirt!
November 30, 2009 4:35 PM
 

dwill1 said:

NYCordnance said:
@ dwill1

what up fam!

"i am sorry if i have not heard a latin artist that i thought was hot besides LOSO"

damn what about pun and joell ortiz, both those cats leave LOSO and his love songs in the dirt

what up fam? say i like joell ortiz he can spit and pun was ok as well. but to me LOSO punchlines and wordplay are above average and his album tracks are always better then the s**tthey put on radio and video.
November 30, 2009 4:38 PM
 

SNAPPA said:

What I really find funny is that  this thread is evidence we need the IC back.  

Titangraph after titangraph is being posted here.  s**teven the original blog was a mega titan.  



As for my flipping the "what up ni**a" to "what up spics"  I do that to my ppl so it is all love.  

But I do admit I do pull that out if I meet an amigo and they hit up the "ni99a this, ni99a that" every 2 seconds.   And don't even let me get started on asians.  Them cats be KILLING the word like "ni99a" is the space bar in a typed sentence.  Especially the Cambodians and Viets.  haha it is too funny to watch how awkward and uncomfortable they get when I flip it on em and say gooks and chinks in regular talk like they do.  

Overall most have been kewl and saw the point I was making.  Others...not so much.  HAHA.  

I have to agree with one of the earlier posters.  Us Jamaicans do stick together.  But here in Boston ppl do hang with just about everyone.  NYC is a different story.  For a city that is supposed to be united.....y'all are divided like a muthafvcka.  
November 30, 2009 4:39 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ dwill1

I think his wordplay is dope too dont get me wrong, I just think I have never heard LOSO put together an album that I dug all the way through..and we both agree that his radio and video are soft so I kinda shy away from that...now the stuff he put out on those clue joints, thats the biz, especially when he was in that triangle offense crew....still I think he can never make a capital punishment or for that fact a bodega chronicles...
November 30, 2009 4:45 PM
 

dwill1 said:

NYCordnance said:
@ dwill1

I think his wordplay is dope too dont get me wrong, I just think I have never heard LOSO put together an album that I dug all the way through..and we both agree that his radio and video are soft so I kinda shy away from that...now the stuff he put out on those clue joints, thats the biz, especially when he was in that triangle offense crew....still I think he can never make a capital punishment or for that fact a bodega chronicles...

see thats it, to me capital punishment was just average. i know people will take this wrong but this is a blog and i can say what i like. i feel that because he died and he was on the verge of becoming HUGE no pun intended. PEOPLE TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIAS WITH PUN. this is just my opinion not a racially motivated attack on latin hiphop.
November 30, 2009 4:49 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ dwill1

music is opinion my dude, I think that the second one was blown up because of his death (yeahhh baby)...either way nuff respect my dude, I'm out for the day catch u on another thread...
November 30, 2009 4:53 PM
 

Bleaks said:

@  MATTIK

Please don't say Banks is Dominican, he is PUERTO RICAN. Get it right
November 30, 2009 5:03 PM
 

kuulski said:

What a waste of Energy. Hip Hop was about helping people fight a oppressive goverment. It was about giving a voice to the Hood. Now since the struggle has changed most have lost site of the true enemy. The enemy is the people abusing their elected powers for their own gain. The enemy is the police all over our country of the Blue Color that abuse our people. Not just Black/White/Latino or whatever ALL people since we all are not in their Club. Thats the Enemy not Brown vs Black. Its the Have's and Have Not's its educating our people. Grow Da F%$# Up. SMH at the ignorance. If you are not aware of the struggles read a book. If you are not aware get aware thats Hip Hop.  Its about Music not money. Its about whats true to you not what you think will appeal to a bigger audience. Its Not im scarface, I sell dope and I want the whole world to know. This is real life not movie land. This is why I stopped visiting this site last year...The editors of this site seem to have lost site of the goal also. Black Dis Black Dat how bout we keep it stricly Hip Hop? How is that for a thought AHH.
November 30, 2009 5:22 PM
 

williano said:

YO THIS IS SOME STRIAGHT UP bulls**t

THE COMMENTS THAT THOSE PEOPLE MADE WERE THERE OPINION NOT EVERY ONE IN THE WORLD

I AM A EMCEE FROM HARTFORD CT> AND IM ITALIAN. I TAKE PRIDE IN BEING ITALIAN AND I PUT IT IN MY RYMES.

JUST LIKE PUN. HE WAS PROUD TO BE PORTARICAN . SO HE LABLED HIMSELF A LATIN RAPPER

A EMCEE IS A EMCEE NO MATEER WHUT COLOR.BUT ITS OK TO LABLE ME A ITALIAN EMCEE.THATS WHUT I AM.

AND IN MY HOOD BLACKS AND LATINS GET ALONG.IM PROLLY ONE OF THE WHITE BOYS THAT BE IN THE HOOD THERS IS A COUPLE OF US AND EVERYBODY IS COOL. BUT RACISM IS EVERY WERE. I AM NOT RASICT MY CHILDREN ARE HALF PORTARICAN

THIS ARTICAL AINT GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD

AND ITS FUCKED UP HOW YOU ARE SAYING BLACKS ARE RACIST AGIANST MY LATINOS.  FACT IS THOSE COMMENTS MADE WERE FROM SOME DUMB ASS FOLKS ON THERE COMPUTER

NOT EVERY BLACK PERSON FEELS THAT WAY ABOUT LATINOS

AND WHUT THE f**k IS GOOD WIT ALOT OF PEOPLE ONLY GIVING CREDIT TO BLACK AND LATINOS FOR BEING THERE AT THE BEGHINING OF HIP HOP

WHITES WERE THERE TO.

AND IM 25 YEARS OLD>

ALL I KNOW IS HIP HOP

AND IN MY HOOD EVERYBODY USES THE N WORD .AS A TERNM OF INDEERMENT, NOT ON SOME RACIST SHIT.

AND ME BEING A WHITE BOY THAT HAS LIVED IN THE HOOD AND IS ON THE MIXTAPE CERCUIT OUT HERE. I HAVE SEEN MY SHARE OF PEOPLE BEING RACIST TWORDS ME

BUT YOU KNOW WHUT f**k THEM CUZ FOR EVERY ONE CAT THAT DONT LIKE ME.I GOT FOUR MORE CATS THAT KEEP IT REAL WIT ME AND ARE COOL AS HELL


HIP HOP HAS BROUGHT ALL OF USW TOGETHER.POINT BLANK

I KNOW WHITES /BLACKS/LATINOS THAT ALL TALK THAT s**tAND THATS JUST HOW IT BE SOMETIMES

IS IT RIGHT? NO!

IM ONLY RESPONSIABLE FOR MY SELF


SO BIG UPS TO EVERYBODY AND IF YOU ARE RACIST CUT THAT bulls**t OUT
November 30, 2009 5:35 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@Odoggz

You need to stop generalizing some Black People. You calling some Blacks lazy, that's racist in itself. But to be honest, Someone ask me one time, why don't latino's and Hispanics stay within their own Musical Culture, I told them i don't know, but i know it's some hot Latino Artist out there, but ya'll can't disrespect the Originators of the Artform. The Blackman is the Originator of Hip Hop. You talking about a white or Latino person can out rap most Black Rappers, Please. For every Latino or White Rapper yo name, I can name 3 Black Rappers, that can rap circles around them. Big Pun and Fat Joe hot and a few others , but that's where it stop. Puerto Rican Terrorist from Killa-Army can spit also. I consider Nore a black artist, although he is part Puerto Rican. Fab don't be repping for Dominicans like that, I just recently found out he was Afro Dominican.
November 30, 2009 5:56 PM
 

Its_BX_NYC_187 said:

If Your A Racist Then Your Still Living In A Cave... Where I'm From (Soundview, BX, NYC) Every Race Gets Along Like If They Were The Same Race, Witch They Are. The HUMAN Race... I'm Proud Of My Heritage But I Don't Let That Cloud My Better Judgment Like Some People Do... Pun Was One Of The Greatest MC's Regardless Of Skin Color & Race... At The End Of The Day, Most Articles Like This Are Written To Draw An Ignorant Response From Ignorant People...
November 30, 2009 6:02 PM
 

kuulski said:

@liquidswords95 Seriously u lost allot of cred when you used Fat Joe as a reference to a Hot Latino artist. He is not Hot never was hot and has barely been able to write anything half decent since pun died (Not a coincidence). Nore is a Hip Hop artist that actually now does allot of Reggaeton music which is a mix of some hip hop and other latino genre's. Fab/Jay Z/ cypress hill/Pun/etc..the list is pretty long homie of your favorite MC's that actually have Latino Roots. Lets not go there. Also do you consider graffiti hip hop? Graffiti as an element of hip hop

An aerosol paint can, common tool for modern graffitiIn America around the late 1960s, graffiti was used as a form of expression by political activists, and also by gangs such as the Savage Skulls, La Familia, and Savage Nomads to mark territory. Towards the end of the 1960s, the signatures—tags—of Philadelphia graffiti writers Cornbread, Cool Earl and Topcat 126 started to appear.[15][16]. Cornbread is often cited as one of the earliest writer of modern graffiti[17]. Around 1970-71, the centre of graffiti innovation moved to New York City where writers following in the wake of TAKI 183 and Tracy 168 would add their street number to their nickname, "bomb" a train with their work, and let the subway take it—and their fame, if it was impressive, or simply pervasive, enough—"all city". Bubble lettering held sway initially among writers from the Bronx, though the elaborate writing Tracy 168 dubbed "wildstyle" would come to define the art.[15][18] The early trendsetters were joined in the 70s by artists like Dondi, Zephyr and Lady Pink.[15]

Graffiti is one of the four main elements of hip hop culture (along with rapping, DJing, and break dancing).[19] The relationship between graffiti and hip hop culture arises both from early graffiti artists practicing other aspects of hip hop, and its being practiced in areas where other elements of hip hop were evolving as art forms. By the mid-eighties, the form would move from the street to the art world. Jean-Michel Basquiat would abandon his SAMO tag for art galleries, and even street art's connections to hip hop would loosen. Occasional hip hop paeans to graffiti could still be heard throughout the nineties, however, in tracks like the Artifacts' "Wrong Side of Da Tracks" and Company Flow's "Lune TNS".[15]

GET EDUCATED HOMIE! Hip Hop is not just which rapper you think can rap circles around another. Its so sad to see you so out of the loop. Catch up.
November 30, 2009 6:12 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

 
@kuulski

I'm very educated when it comes to hip hop. Lets not go there homie, I know we are the Originators of Hip Hop, but Puerto Ricans played a part in it. Folks just try to takover hip hop, Blacks don't have to let anyone take our Musical Culture and make it theirs.
November 30, 2009 6:29 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

 
@kuulski

If you think Fat Joe didn't used to be hot, then you stupid. Fat Joe first 3 Cd's was hot. You gotta "Flow Joe" was super hot. I said Out rap, because that's what Odoggz was implying about other Races can out rap Black rappers, so don't put words in my mouth.
November 30, 2009 6:39 PM
 

kuulski said:

@liquidswords95 , Puerto Ricans played a part in it? So did whites/asians/and any other nationalitys that wanted their voice to be heard from bottom of the barrel.  Hip Hop was mean to be an avenue for "Us"to express our feelings and fight back against a system that is trying to keep "Us" down. Hip Hop is not just music it is ART rap is the musical portion of it. Its not "Black Music" seriously if you wanted to point to a form of music that may be considered "Black" you might want to pick up a book on Jazz homie that may be a better fit for your desire to claim a music genre. Also fat joe was never hot unless Pun was writing his lyrics. I never heard a Fat Joe CD that I can say  Joe is a bEast lyracist. Seriously.
I got mad respect for Fat Joe he is tryin to hold it down while allot of the Latino rappers are pushing towards regaeton. I wonder y? Maybe its the fact that the Latino Market is so much bigger then hip hop that going platinum is a given in latino music...the music sells and sells and sells bigger audience more money and they dont have to deal with the Hating from some people who think Rap is "Their Music" lol. If its your homie then you are doing a terrible job selling it to the bigger audience. The numbers seem to say Latinos are doing it better then you want to believe.

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November 30, 2009 7:07 PM
 

AirAfroMan said:

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:
Unity between the black and hispanic community is a joke. First of all...we can't even achieve unity within the black commuunity amongst ourselves.

This article is biased and cries victimization without any real valid proof.


Are you crazy...you think that black men in hip hop should champion for latino causes? When do you see influential prominent latinos standing up for black causes? Name one Latino who fought or died for our civil rights in this country in the 50's and 60's.

You must be from New York.

Outside of New York...In cities like Chicago and L.A. there is absolutely no connection between blacks and latinos.

Mexicans are just like Indians, Arabs, Chinese, Whites, and Africans in they feel and believe that they are better than us.

Why....someone please explain to me why would I care about what's happening with another race when my own race has so many problems.

The way it should be and the way it is are two totally different things.

It should be that everyone is unified...Koombya...

The reality is that it's EVERY MAN FOR HIM SELF and has allwaysbeen that way...stand up for your own...help your own...that's what they do.

Whoever wrote this article is crazy
November 30, 2009 7:22 PM
 

AirAfroMan said:

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:
Unity between the black and hispanic community is a joke. First of all...we can't even achieve unity within the black commuunity amongst ourselves.

This article is biased and cries victimization without any real valid proof.


Are you crazy...you think that black men in hip hop should champion for latino causes? When do you see influential prominent latinos standing up for black causes? Name one Latino who fought or died for our civil rights in this country in the 50's and 60's.

You must be from New York.

Outside of New York...In cities like Chicago and L.A. there is absolutely no connection between blacks and latinos.

Mexicans are just like Indians, Arabs, Chinese, Whites, and Africans in they feel and believe that they are better than us.

Why....someone please explain to me why would I care about what's happening with another race when my own race has so many problems.

The way it should be and the way it is are two totally different things.

It should be that everyone is unified...Koombya...

The reality is that it's EVERY MAN FOR HIM SELF and has allwaysbeen that way...stand up for your own...help your own...that's what they do.

Whoever wrote this article is crazy
November 30, 2009 7:22 PM
 

AirAfroMan said:

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:
Unity between the black and hispanic community is a joke. First of all...we can't even achieve unity within the black commuunity amongst ourselves.

This article is biased and cries victimization without any real valid proof.


Are you crazy...you think that black men in hip hop should champion for latino causes? When do you see influential prominent latinos standing up for black causes? Name one Latino who fought or died for our civil rights in this country in the 50's and 60's.

You must be from New York.

Outside of New York...In cities like Chicago and L.A. there is absolutely no connection between blacks and latinos.

Mexicans are just like Indians, Arabs, Chinese, Whites, and Africans in they feel and believe that they are better than us.

Why....someone please explain to me why would I care about what's happening with another race when my own race has so many problems.

The way it should be and the way it is are two totally different things.

It should be that everyone is unified...Koombya...

The reality is that it's EVERY MAN FOR HIM SELF and has allwaysbeen that way...stand up for your own...help your own...that's what they do.

Whoever wrote this article is crazy
November 30, 2009 7:23 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

 
@kuulski

You sound stupid homie, talking about Hip Hop ain't  Black Music. You better do your research, Hip Hop was started by Blacks Folks, that's our Creation, just like Reggaeton is Latino's Creation. Just because ya'll make hip hop music, don't try to say it belong to you. Hip Hop, Jazz, and Rock N Roll was created by Blacks.
November 30, 2009 7:31 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@kuulski

HIP HOP IS MUSIC FOUNDED BY BLACK PEOPLE...........SO YOU IGNORANT FOR SAYING HIP HOP AIN'T BLACK MUSIC........JUST BECAUSE SOME LATINO'S MAKE HIP HOP MUSIC...........THAT DON'T MEAN YA'LL STARTED IT..............YOU NEED TO WAKE UP............THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE BLACKS SHOULDN'T ACCEPT SOME LATINO'S IN HIP HOP.............. BECAUSE IT SEEM LIKE YA'LL TRYING TO TAKE OVER...........BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN.............WHY DON'T YALL STICK TO MAKING SALSA AND THAT bulls**t REGGAETON MUSIC............BLACK FOLKS AIN'T GOING TO LISTEN TO NO MUSIC THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND........YA'LL GOT ENOUGH LATINO'S TO SUPPORT YA'LL TYPE OF HIP HOP..........BUT IT'S NOT BETTER THAN OUR HIP HOP.............WE CAN HAVE 2 TYPES OF HIP HOP IF YOU WANT.........THAT'S COOL WITH ME
November 30, 2009 7:37 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@kuulski

You talking about Hip Hop ain't selling, that's a lie. Due to the Digital Age, every form of Music has taken a hit in sales. But Hip Hop is making way more money than Reggaeton, I can promise you that. Jay Cd is almost 2 platinum, Eminem is 2 million plus. All the top hip hop artist at least go Gold, so you mistaken talking about hip hop ain't selling, where you been at.


@Sharp Shooter

He know hip hop is a Black ArtForm, Latino's played a major role in Hip Hop from the beginning, but it's still a Black Artform though.
November 30, 2009 7:42 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

I have no problem with Latino's making hip hop, just recognize it's a Black Artform, that's all I'm saying.
November 30, 2009 7:46 PM
 

kuulski said:

@Sharp_Shooter,liquidswords95: You are 2 examples of whats wrong with "Hip Hop" You want to say Hip Hop is "Black Music" go for it. I will stand by my statement. Jazz = Black Music, which BTW is not a Terrible thing if you guys have ever listend to Jazz lol. However Hip Hop was created by a combination of several cultures all living in the hood trying to get by. The enemy is real and if you guys want to focus on who started what and what color they were...then latinos can claim the same black ownership you do. We are from the same bloodlines...ignorence is bliss on AHH. Starting Up Top.
November 30, 2009 8:47 PM
 

kuulski said:

Sum Hip Hop History for the Noobs.

"And even after all my logic and my theory i add a muthaf*&ka so yuh ignite nigg@Z hear me"- Lauryn Hill

Early Latinos in hip hop music
According to B.Boy Omega, a writer for The Source, the first Latino in hip hop music was DJ Disco Wiz a product of a Puerto Rican father and a Cuban mother who was born in The Bronx. DJ Disco Wiz, along with Casanova Fly (Grandmaster Caz), formed the pioneering Mighty Force Crew from 183rd Street and Valentine Avenue in the mid-1970s. Later on they both were joined by the first Latino MC, Prince Whipper Whip, a Puerto Rican Whip, unlike Wiz was exclusively an MC; Wiz was a DJ too. Casanova Fly (Grandmaster Caz) would rap and DJ at the same time.

Since hip hop was experienced primarily via audio and not by video, most people never knew that DJ Disco Wiz was Puerto Rican and Cuban until they saw him. As explained by Kevie Kev in the book Yes Yes Yall, Prince Whipper Whip felt it necessary to keep his Afro-Puerto Rican background a secret in order to gain more positive acceptance. The audience perception of Whip as a Black-American made Rubie Dee the first public Puerto Rican MC according to the book. After DJ Disco Wiz, the second Puerto Rican DJ was an ex-salsa bassist turned DJ named Charlie Chase, who became the DJ along with DJ Tony Tone) for the Cold Crush Brothers[citation needed].

In 1981 a group called The Mean Machine released a 12" single on Sugar Hill Records called "Disco Dream" which was the first rap record to emphasize Spanglish the same year The Sugar Hill Gang featured a solo by Tito Puente on “The Sugar Hill Groove”. DJ and producer Tony Touch also mentions (in an interview on blackmagazine.it) the track "Spanglish" by Spanish Fly & The Terrible 2, came out in the same year on Enjoy Records but was not as well known.

In the early to mid-1980s quite a few Latin-Caribbean rappers and DJ’s hit the scene. Producer and DJ Master OC and The Devastating Tito were both a part of The Fearless Four[citation needed]. The Master OC was also the producer of another crew named The Fantasy 3 which featured another Puerto Rican MC named Charlie Rock. Both of these crews were from Harlem. Out of the East New York section of Brooklyn came Prince Markie Dee of The Fat Boys, who later went on to produce Mary J Blige; and Wise, the beat box from Stetsasonic. Both were Puerto Rican; as was Super Lover Cee from the Astoria Projects in Queens. Like Whipper Whip; Markie, Wise and Super Lover Cee's ethnic heritage was not that well known. Other lesser known MCs and DJs included Johnny Rock, DJ Candido, DJ Muscle and DJ Shiz who were all Puerto Ricans from The Bronx, while Mr. L of the TDR crew was half Puerto Rican and half Dominican. DJ Dr. Dust along with his DJ partner and cousin DJ Duran from the Bronx are considered to be the first Dominican DJs in Hip-Hop (documented in The BX Factor magazine in 1996).[citation needed] Of Brazilian heritage, Breez Evahflowin from the Hell's Kitchen section of Manhattan, and is most famous as a member of The Stronghold Crew is the first MC in hip hop with parents from Brazil.[citation needed]

November 30, 2009 8:55 PM
 

harlem16 said:

i am a black african american male who is 27 yrs old and resides in new york. i am not a racist but from my experience traveling around the country i tend to find that a lot of hispanics not all but most are a confused group off people.  Can somebody explain to me why so many hispanics refer to themselves as being cuban puerto rican domincan etc when they are really just americans like everyone else who is born on u.s soil. I think too many of yall dont understand what the difference between a NATIONALITY, RACE AND CULTURE is and the thing that is sad is that most hispanics are not aware that most of them are mulatto's who are just speaking the spanish or english language they are also not aware that hispanic and latino is not a race but if you ask me they have to much culture pride to realize this fact. There are many races of people who are part of the united states military do you really think the different countries that we are currently at war with are really looking you as a cuban, domican etc. the answer is HELL NO they are look at you as nothing less than a American. I didnt mean to get off topic but the point im trying to make is that this is one of the fundamental differences between hispanics and african americans. as black male im proud to be an american because this country was built on black blood. we created HIP HOP CULTURE PLAIN AND SIMPLE. See hispanics as well as other immigrants bring their culture from another nation while we african americans created our own culture here in United States
November 30, 2009 9:01 PM
 

Its_BX_NYC_187 said:

At The End Of The Day This Article Is Working It's Ignorant Magic, To Divide Race's And Conquer... So What Black People Created Hip Hip... So What Spanish (Puerto Ricans In Particular) People Were Just As Much A Part Of The Original Hip Hop Movement When & Where It Started & Created In The Bronx... So What There Use To Be Just As Many White People In Kool Hercs First Hip Hop Parties And Every Other Hip Hop House And Club Party When Hip Hop Started (Watch Beat Street & Crush Grooving)... Hip Hop Was Not Created For One Race By One Race... Hip Hop Was Created By The Streets For The Streets... To Give The Inner City Youth A Voice No Matter What Race You Are... That's What The People And A Lot Of People On This Site Fail To Recognize... They're Dividing Us Up And Taking Our Voices Away... Pun Was Considered One Of The Nicest By Some Of Your Favorite Rap Artist Who Are Black. And Some Of Those Artist Are A Lot Of Spanish Peoples Favorite Artists... Same Goes For Eminem, Bubba Sparx And Any Other White Artists Too... Hip Hop Is Suppose To Rise Above That And Bridge The Gaps, Not Make Them Wider... This May Sound Crazy But It's Bigger Then Any Race... It's A Movement That Started In A Building In A Borough And Is Now World Wide And Celebrated By Almost Every Race... when People Start Thinking Bigger, That's When We Will Rise Above All This bulls**t... That Racist s**tIs That Old School Way Of Thinking, Don't Let It Cloud Your Better Judgment.
November 30, 2009 9:11 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

IF any one wants to be literal the man credited for starting Hip Hop DJ Cool Herc was Jamaican . Hence the art would be made by a Jamaican American.
Hip Hop Culture is the 4 elelments created in NYC by not only Blacks but Puerto Rican and other kinds of ppl.

Know your history.. In the begining BBoys was all Black and Latin. Today the dude keepin the BBoy movement alive is Crazy Legs (PR)

Graffitti has had WHITE BLACK and Hispanic founders in the art.

DJ's was Black and Hispanic, Mr. Magic RIP was of latin decent and there were many others.

and the MC.

Latinos was there in the begininng and in the roots of hip hop. And to be real hip hop music is a mix of many types of genres Samples used came from all over not just soul.  The beats are based in all theorys of music thats wat makes hip hop so special.

There is no denyin that African Americans played a huge part but Latino was there and played a big part in the beginning.

And in the essesnce Dominican PR and Cuban music is HEAVILY influenced by our African Decent. just as hip hop... people arguing about ppl who are more alike that different.

Hip Hop was created in the urban areas of NYC where the ppl in those projects was All black and latino....

Aint nobody tring to take over or nothing honestly i hate the tag latin rapper. IF you rappin and its in english to a hip hop beat its F U C K I N G hip hop period all the dam classing is wack.

And by the way opinions aint facts. Im not gonna call you stupid if you disagree but i will call you ignorant if you wanna ignore the facts.
November 30, 2009 9:34 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@BX

100% cosign....

Regardless a culture that pulls from so many other cultures is way above race. I mean look at the styles the kids rocking now that comes from skaters and "punk rock who are predominantly white.
November 30, 2009 9:37 PM
 

Janthony said:

Some of ya Mofos are sooooo Gotdamn Ignant !!
Here is a list of some full or half Latino Rappers !!

Jim Jones , Cam'ron , N.O.R.E., Lloyd Banks, Kane & Abel, Joe Budden, J. R. Writer, Peedi Peedi, AZ, Juelz Santana, Fabolous, B-Real ,Beatnuts , Big Pun , Fat Joe , Cuban Link , Immortal Technique , Chino XL, Pitbull, Kid Frost, Mellow Man Ace, Johnny J ,Prince Whipper Whip,Casanova Fly,Tony Touch, Lisa-Left Eye.........I can keep on .

Some of your Fav Hip Hop videos by Hype Williams , Some of your fav beats by Pay & Skills...................... I can keep on.

YA MOFOS DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HIP HOP IS !  THATS THE PROBLEM !!

I can keep on but cant argue with Ignant Mofos !! I think most of these  comments are from mofos from the south !! FO REAL !
November 30, 2009 9:42 PM
 

harlem16 said:

@trinnydwilliams. i dont deny latinos being part of hip hop. i just think black people including myself get tired of welcoming every other race into our culture when we dont get the same love back. Too many people of other races look down on african americans but yet in some ways they either want to be black or want to be included in the african american culture. Name one part asian culture with the exception of martial arts do they include aa. name one part of hispanic culture where they include black people and i dont mean the blacks that are part of their community i mean AA.
November 30, 2009 9:51 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@harlem16

I cant argue how you feel or your opinion but i would ad this it is alil unfair just because Hip Hop like i said was such a mix of cultures all in one. the entire 4 elelments. there are black hispanics that exist however if you dont speak or understand the language would you really wanna be a part?

As a kid i didnt like spanish music all i listend to was Hip Hop. i could relate and it was in the language i spoke plus it was every where on tv.  Hip hop belongs to urban ppl for the most part black and latins.

And i get wat you say about asian but they really dont let anyone in they really stict to themselves..

And its not that they dont want you in, like i said i cant speak for all latin but i can speak for my self and the ppl i know, IM fro Newark NJ and the entire rest of my fam in NYC Bronx and Queens specificy

161 st in the Bronx by Yankee Stadium all my fam and the friend was mesisng with everybody black and all the hood is the hood. latin isnt a race dude was right but its a group of ppl with many dif races and culture within it so its hard to speak for all of us. Feel me
November 30, 2009 10:08 PM
 

MadAmerican said:

I am a black man who grew up around PR, DR, Cuban, and Ecuadorian people, and I found that most of them are cool with blacks, one of my best friends is Cuban, but you do have those that feel like they are better than us. I even have Puerto Ricans in my family, and when we all get together, the PR side don't associate with the black side. I heard that the main reason why they don't want to be considered black is because of slavery. They cannot deal with the fact that we were once owned by white people, because Latinos are very proud people. I have much love for the ones that know who they are, but the ones with that arrogant attitude phuccum! When they get into the entertainment business, they usually start off being around us, but as soon as they get that big break, they start phukkin with white people, and turn their back on the people they started out with. We see that $hit all the time! But their are a lot of latinos that I respect in hip hop. BIG PUN, Fat Joe, Cuban Linx, Angie Martinez, The Beatnutz, Tony Touch, True Life, etc... I cannot hate those who share the same blood as me, but some of tthem need to wake the phukk up, and get a clue, and I have never seen a black on telemundo!!!!!
November 30, 2009 10:20 PM
 

MadAmerican said:

I am a black man who grew up around PR, DR, Cuban, and Ecuadorian people, and I found that most of them are cool with blacks, one of my best friends is Cuban, but you do have those that feel like they are better than us. I even have Puerto Ricans in my family, and when we all get together, the PR side don't associate with the black side. I heard that the main reason why they don't want to be considered black is because of slavery. They cannot deal with the fact that we were once owned by white people, because Latinos are very proud people. I have much love for the ones that know who they are, but the ones with that arrogant attitude phuccum! When they get into the entertainment business, they usually start off being around us, but as soon as they get that big break, they start phukkin with white people, and turn their back on the people they started out with. We see that $hit all the time! But their are a lot of latinos that I respect in hip hop. BIG PUN, Fat Joe, Cuban Linx, Angie Martinez, The Beatnutz, Tony Touch, True Life, etc... I cannot hate those who share the same blood as me, but some of tthem need to wake the phukk up, and get a clue, and I have never seen a black on telemundo!!!!!
November 30, 2009 10:23 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

harlem16 said:
@trinnydwilliams. i dont deny latinos being part of hip hop. i just think black people including myself get tired of welcoming every other race into our culture when we dont get the same love back. Too many people of other races look down on african americans but yet in some ways they either want to be black or want to be included in the african american culture. Name one part asian culture with the exception of martial arts do they include aa. name one part of hispanic culture where they include black people and i dont mean the blacks that are part of their community i mean AA.

____________________________

I agree with you.
November 30, 2009 10:29 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@kuulski

We what's wrong with Hip Hop, You don't know what you talking about. Hip Hop is a Black Artform, you just mad because you know it's true. Kool Herc is Jamaican and they Black People, so that proves it in itself. You what's wrong with Hip Hop, You a Latino trying to tell a Black Person Hip Hop ain't a Black Art, Get the f**k outta here. You can fool some blacks people, but not me. Like Sharp Shooter said,  i don't listen to Spanish Hip Hop anyway, so it don't matter to me. But there's no way I'm saying Hip Hop belong to all races, when it don't. Many Races love and listen to Hip Hop, but that don't make it theirs though. We started Hip Hop just like we started Jazz and Rock N Roll. You can't claim nothing, that you didn't invent homie.
November 30, 2009 10:35 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

You don't see Black Folks trying to come into Salsa and claim it as their own. I'm sure Latino's wouldn't accept Blacks in their Musical Culture like we do to them. Some folks may get offended, but what I'm saying has alot of truth to it.
November 30, 2009 10:37 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

Thats the thing African Americans didnt help create salsa.

If yall was there in the beginning of the music then i say you have some claim to it.

Latinos WAS there and many of the founding fathers of the culture. WERE latin americans they helped create the culture you cant deny that. Aint no body trying to ish we was the from the start. We aint new to it.

JAmacians are not African American they are Jamiacan. The are black in complection yes but so are MANY latinos but u dont consider Latin black also.
November 30, 2009 10:46 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

And also like i said befor ALL latinos know that the Roots of Salsa Merengue and many other forms of spanish music from the carribean is HEAVILY routed from our african decent.
November 30, 2009 10:47 PM
 

harlem16 said:

@trinnydwilliams. i agree with you with not wanting to be part of a culture where you cant understand the language but that doesnt deny the fact that so many latinos not including yourself dont respect black people for what they are fully are. For example im also from new york and i tend to see a lot of hispanic women date aa men. but i feel the reasons are shallow on both parts you have the blk guys who date the these women because they are sexual, light skin and have long curly or straight hair which in our community is considered GOOD HAIR and then you have the women in the hispanic community who date blk guys because we are seen as super masculine or real thuggish and trust me i heard  latinas say from their own mouth that this is one of the many reasons why they date blk guys and this so ludacris because any race of guys can be masculine. secondly i see and hear what latinas say about black women things such as their hair being nappy their skin being to dark and this also is crazy because how can u date a black guy but not respect the women in their family for how they physically look. i call this behavior ignorant because most of them dont know the reasons behind why black people hate them selves and if u ask me they dont care because this behavior is taught to them by their family as well as the media. They walk around and use the n word in which i fault my blk brothers and sisters for that but to me if they respected blk people as a whole why would you use a word that was used to oppress a race of people regardess if its used as a term of endearment. i dated a hispanic women in the past and i never onced refered to her or her hispanic friends or family as spics but they think its cool. And the type of latinos im speaking of are not the black ones. im talking about the mulattos on fair skin ones because the blacks in your community go through the exact same thing. Do me a favor and read this Book titled HAIR STORY and watch THE CHRIS ROCK DOCUMENTARY GOOD HAIR AND TELL me how many mulattos in your community who are light skin which many of them are through self hatred issues to the of many blacks. I know lot of blk and hispanics live next to each other in the projects and some face poverty but that doesnt mean they know how it feels to be in the skin of a blk person here in america. i could go on and on and go real deep but i think you get the point
November 30, 2009 10:53 PM
 

harlem16 said:

@trinnydwilliams. With all due respect please dont get offended but  You are right LATIN IS NOT BLACK IT NEVER WILL BE LIKE I SAID BEFORE ITS NOT EVEN A RACE. latinos are just like our current commander in chief( BIRACIAL) some who have native ancestors some who have EUROPEAN ANCESTORS AND SOME WHO HAVE AFRICAN ANCESTORS but if you ask most latinos especially here in new york they will only admit it when it benefits them for that moment just like now. because we are talking about hip hop.
November 30, 2009 11:08 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

I can under stand you point and i know wat u saying but im giving you the other side of it you cant lets certain ppl speak for a whole culture of ppl. I my self have "nappy" hair i hate that term but its true and women in my fam dont have that "good Hair" so i can speak from our perspective. There is a stigma with dark skin world wide its not just a latin vs black thing..

Many light skinned black ppl are looked at differently by dark skinned ones.  And vice a versa I know this because I personally have gone through it. Most ppl how met me growing up thought i was light skinned black. The didnt know i was dominican till i told them. And they was more confused when they met my dark skined father and sister. We been throught it too. MAny hispanics go throught that stuff too. I wont deny that there are ignorant ppl out there but we not all like that. I wont generalize like that out of respect and i hope you would do the same.
like i said the color skin isint only in america it exist with in the latin community and it exist through out the world. Ive gonr through all you might have but is it some how different because im latin? no to the police we all the same. when i had my hair twisted up i aint get treated no different.

Like i said i wont defend all every latin but i wount generalize either. And like i said befor any one with a problem with the N word shouldnt use it. Black ppl have them selves to blame for the poplarity of the wor niggah in the context of meaning my brother.

I never understood how a person of latin and african decent could be racist when my very own existance is the product of Spanish Settlers slaughtering and raping and enslaving native americans and african slaves. Thats my take. idk it gets deeper than a block.  
November 30, 2009 11:09 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

I can under stand you point and i know wat u saying but im giving you the other side of it you cant lets certain ppl speak for a whole culture of ppl. I my self have "nappy" hair i hate that term but its true and women in my fam dont have that "good Hair" so i can speak from our perspective. There is a stigma with dark skin world wide its not just a latin vs black thing..

Many light skinned black ppl are looked at differently by dark skinned ones.  And vice a versa I know this because I personally have gone through it. Most ppl how met me growing up thought i was light skinned black. The didnt know i was dominican till i told them. And they was more confused when they met my dark skined father and sister. We been throught it too. MAny hispanics go throught that stuff too. I wont deny that there are ignorant ppl out there but we not all like that. I wont generalize like that out of respect and i hope you would do the same.
like i said the color skin isint only in america it exist with in the latin community and it exist through out the world. Ive gonr through all you might have but is it some how different because im latin? no to the police we all the same. when i had my hair twisted up i aint get treated no different.

Like i said i wont defend all every latin but i wount generalize either. And like i said befor any one with a problem with the N word shouldnt use it. Black ppl have them selves to blame for the poplarity of the wor niggah in the context of meaning my brother.

I never understood how a person of latin and african decent could be racist when my very own existance is the product of Spanish Settlers slaughtering and raping and enslaving native americans and african slaves. Thats my take. idk it gets deeper than a block.  
November 30, 2009 11:09 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@harlem16

I wont get offended but lets look at the make up of many african americans. MANY african americans have European blood inthe from the slave trade some have more than others. HEnce why you have a range of colors with in the AA "race" and also partially why Africans from africa have a distinct look compared to african americas. No one is trying to be opertunisitic but we talk culure but we keep forgeting the fact that latins helpes create hip hop that is a fact. I no where tried to say that we did on our own but i am saying we were part of the fore fathers just as jamaicans and african americans were. You can call it black culure and im not mad at that but let not forget the latins that helped build your culture, hence we can claim it too. If we created something together i would give you ur  credit why is it so hard to do the same with hip hop?

 
November 30, 2009 11:15 PM
 

harlem16 said:

hold on  fam you might be part of hip hop but there is a BIG DIFFERENCE Between my culture as a AA AND yours as a latin american. You might have hispanic americans who speak english wear baggy clothes wear waves or braids in their hair and use the n word like its no tomorrow. YALL DID NOT CREATE THAT. WE DID. THe baggy pants style orginated in jail and was worn by a blk man look it up and the reason behind it was to prevent them from hanging themselves. the waves that yall mulattos wear came from blk people were the ones who started ebonics when you think of soul food what race comes to mind ever seen the movie what race were they cast most were aa with the exception of vanessa williams who is also a mulatto. This is what kills me blks include hispanics in their culture and all of a sudden now its our culture.
November 30, 2009 11:28 PM
 

harlem16 said:

all im saying is that we as aa never can have anything to ourselves without somebody trying to make it into a URBAN THING OR PEOPLE OF COLOR WHETHER ITS STYLE OF DRESS THE WAY WE WEAR OUR HAIR ETC. a lot of people listen to salsa and eat beans and rice but you dont hear anybody saying thats its a urban thing they say its a  latina american dish or that this is what they eat. but the same cant be said for blks because now its people of color who wear baggy jean in which a lot of people do but they just want admit the historical starting of it because now everybody does it .
November 30, 2009 11:41 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

My whole point from the ripp was hip hop. I cant argue may of the other thing at all. I never said we created ALL black Culture..

Im talking about our stake in Hip Hop. Latin and Blacks have different culture I cannot argue that nor have I. Im saying hip hop wise. And I also am saying as a Latin American with african ancestors i've personally expericenced parts of wat ii feels like to be an AA. Ive been profiled ive be called a NIggger ( A word used by White Slave owners)
And many other things. But i ont argue with u on the creation of your culture. Im talking Hip HOp it is a fact that we helped create hip hop. thats it.

We have differnt cultures ESPECIALLY in america but we are in the same neighbor hoods and go through similar stuggles. Like i told uu befor im proad of my african ancestry and i dont deny but at the same time im not gonna front on yall either.

To this day i dont understand how ppl with common bonds argue so much about differences when if we go to the beginning we basically started in the same place.
November 30, 2009 11:42 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

I know you want something to claim af your own but black ppl have contributed so much more to culture than baggy jeans and cornrows fam that you can claim.

I wont deny black fashion either. but we in the urban area too fam we there. Its watever. I recognize all yall do and i havent argued with yall bout that.

But you got so much more that ppl tend to forget about, Soul food, Soul music R&B, the original rock music. Jazz music (which was the First american form of music ever)  Yall have alot to be proad of. ) i wont  argue but i will argue that latins helped create hip hop and thats a fact.

November 30, 2009 11:51 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@harlem16

Imma take it down for night its been real talking with you look i understand every point u wanted to make and I personally respect black culture and wont deny hip hop culture is heavily inspired by AA but i will add that us latins were there from the start too. and we still are here BBOYs Graph writers and many of the MC's. I just get aggy when ppl dont ad us in the mix like we never existed. I feel wat you saying about something for ya own but u do have that and alot of the Black culture is beutiful much more than baggy jeans and cornrows fam.
November 30, 2009 11:55 PM
 

harlem16 said:

i can tell you why people of common bonds argue so much. Here in the u.s we as black people open our culture doors to wide. wide enough that people start to deny the historical aspect of it.And because culture seperates as human beings How many blks do u see trying to be like hsipanics, asians, whites etc and if we are we always RESPECT THE HISTORICAL ASPECTS OF THAT CULTURE but for the most part we dont have to because we have created our own through oppression and racism  and because our culture is so influential its make us proud but sometimes  like i said we open our gates and doors too wide. And not to sound racist but i wish we could be like every other race or nationality and keep our culture or way of doing things to ourself. You yourself(trinnydywilliams) cant deny that. tell me what part of latin culture is being absorbed from any outside race absorbed so much where you start to question if these people respect the history of it.
December 1, 2009 12:00 AM
 

mastermassacre said:

Im black and i gots love for all races especially mine...I have latino/hispanic friends and its all good....but i gotta admit from my point of view they look down on black folks just like all other races do..why?...dont know....(I say they hate us cause they aint us...LOL)...But the truth is they do look down on us....so from that and history i don't Trust them...s**tnowadays i can't even trust my own.....But allot of us african americans in my opinon have been brainwashed to hate ourselves............I remember TUPAC saying that when he was younger he allways used to hate himself.....I couldn't understand that when i was younger, but now i do....

"They make us hate ourselves".....Kanye West
December 1, 2009 12:14 AM
 

West Coast 562 said:

man im from Cali mexicans aint no minority out here. only minorities is us blacks. whites, asians, and mexicans all got numberrs.  I have no problem wit hispanics but most of their music is garbage.  maybe because its the lacc of communication i dont know but i dont fucc wit it.  but i got love for the mexicans that aint racist... they r very family orientated and i think blacks cud learn something from them in certain apects like that. mexicans be walkin witht they whole family... they be out here wit grandma, grandpa, mom, dad, and all 8 of their kids.  mexicans dont take offense to it cuz u know its true.  some of my best friends have been mexican so i aint racist or nothin... just fuccin up any racist ones out here.
December 1, 2009 12:59 AM
 

West Coast 562 said:

and to speak on dude who was sayin that hispanics always want to be part of are cukture but wudnt accept us in theres... thats true my brotha.  its like how these mexicans get mad when blacks say that we were the first native americans.  Mexicans get all mad talkin about mayans were the first and shit... but in facts Olmecs came first and their ancient art resembles black men not hispanics....  hip hop is black culture hispanics didnt help start it.  your are just here for the ride...
December 1, 2009 1:22 AM
 

KJ24 said:

“Those most affected were Black and Latino—living in the same environment, experiencing the same things, influencing each other: musically and culturally. To begin effecting change, the original essence of the movement needs to be updated and applied in the classrooms, community centers, and community concerts.”




—Tony Muhammad


TM hit the nail on the head with this statement... ignorance is not bliss and you dumb mu'fuckas need to learn the history of latinos before spewing such negativity. As a fourth generation Mexican
American, I have been subjected to racism as much as my black brothers were growing up. We were niggers and wetbacks to police and civilians alike here in the US. I too suffer from racial profiling and have been pulled over for DWB (driving while bown) During segregation, we also were not allowed to swim in white pools and eat at white establishments.

Unbeknownst to many uneducated blacks, when Spain invaded Mexico, they brought slaves with them. The slaves fought side by side with my Aztec ancestors and at the same time, procreated, in effect creating what today is known as Afro Mexicans. Yes, blacks also come from Mexico. As the father of an Afro Mexican babygirl, I have educated myself properly, so that she may know the truth about her ethnic background. We populate the prison systems and projects/barrios along with blacks, and it hurts me deeply to see such negativity spewed amongst people of color.

We have to do better, especially for our children, so that the racial divide amongst blacks and latinos one day ceases to exist, hopefully sooner rather than later. Education is the key, and we must stop tearing one another down. Discord amongst blacks and browns is exactly what the white man wants... so long as we are divided, we can never become united. If we were to come together and work as one unit, the sky would truly be the limit and we could work toward the ultimate goal of taking our piece of the American pie.

I heard many folks commenting on Thanksgiving about how the white man killed and stole from the Natives. Well my Mexican ancestors were subjected to the same fate and had Texas, amongst other pieces of land stolen from us. Peace to my black and brown brothers.

And FYI for that dumbass above saying we must speak english, when and where does it state that english is the official language of America? For anyone living in America is an immigrant.
December 1, 2009 2:08 AM
 

KJ24 said:

West Coast 562 said:
and to speak on dude who was sayin that hispanics always want to be part of are cukture but wudnt accept us in theres... thats true my brotha.  its like how these mexicans get mad when blacks say that we were the first native americans.  Mexicans get all mad talkin about mayans were the first and shit... but in facts Olmecs came first and their ancient art resembles black men not hispanics....  hip hop is black culture hispanics didnt help start it.  your are just here for the ride...

____________
Shut yo' ass up... hip hop was created by disenfranchised blacks and latinos. Half of modern day California was once Mexico, back in the 1840's, before the white man waged war against my ancestors and stole the land. So you, dumbass, are living in Mexico. Pick up a book.

I'm sure your uneducated ass will come back with insults, which is ignorance in its purest form. But I hit you with FACTS. Once again, pick up a book and learn your state's history.

I refuse to debate with uneducated fools like you, so excuse my back ni.gga.

December 1, 2009 2:15 AM
 

KJ24 said:

And its deeper than rap....

There is a long history of interconnection between Black and Chicano communities in Los Angeles reaching back to swing and jazz scenes of the 1940s to the R&B scene of the 1960s and 1970s, which has influenced lowrider culture and continues to do so.
December 1, 2009 2:19 AM
 

KJ24 said:

BTW, nice article AHH. We need more pieces like this documenting black and brown history b/c idiots are running rampant amongst these blogs. SMH.
December 1, 2009 2:21 AM
 

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December 1, 2009 3:03 AM
 

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December 1, 2009 3:03 AM
 

MUTHADON@ said:

AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE STILL LABELED THE OUTKAST OF AMERICA EVEN WITH A BLACK PRESIDENT IN OFFICE SO I CAN'T SAY THAT THERE'S ANY OTHER RACE OUT HERE THAT HAS IT HARDER THAN US HOWEVER HISPANICS COME FROM A STRUGGLE AS WELL...

I'VE NEVER HAD HATRED FOR THERE RACE IN FACT I HAVE BLOOD RELATIVES THAT ARE HISPANIC AND I LOVE THEM JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE MY BLACK RELATIVES SO THERE'S NO ILL WILL TOWARD THERE CULTURE AT ALL..



SOME PEOPLE WOULD ARGUE THAT BIG PUN WAS BETTER THAN NOTORIOUS B.I.G, NOW THAT DEBATE IS FOR ANOTHER FORUM BUT I STILL SHOW MAD LOVE FOR MEXICANS BECAUSE THEY ARE SORTA SIMILAR TO US AS FAR AS BEING SINGLED OUT IN THE UNITED STATE AS MINORITIES ...


ALSO THEY HAVE SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN IN THE WORLD , DON'T GET IT TWISTED I STILL SEE MYSELF MARRYING ME A SISTA BUT I DON'T DISCRIMINATE -  I WOULDN'T MIND WAKING UP EVERY MORNING TO A LATIN MAMI........


I USE TO WORK AT THIS FACTORY OUT IN DEARBORN AND I MELT ALOT OF MEXICAN FOLKS OUT THAT WAY..

MAN WE WOULD SIT THERE BY THE MACHINE FOR HOURS TRADING CONVO ABOUT THINGS THAT WAS GOING ON EVERYDAY AROUND ARE WAY....THEY KNOW HOW TO SHOW HOSPITALITY FA SHO...


WE HAD SOME OF BEST TIMES DURING THAT SUMMER OF "05"...
ON PAY DAY WE GOT DRUNK AND SMOKED BLUNTS TIL 2AM THE NEXT MORNING,THOSE WERE THE GOOD OLE DAYZ.....





December 1, 2009 3:25 AM
 

erikBnyc said:

@Harlem16

I think you need to do some homework because you seem to have a skewed view of hip-hop history, and about the important role that Latino's played in shaping hip-hop culture.  It's a fact, not an opinion that Latino's (specifically Puerto Ricans) were participants in the culture from the very beginning.  One of the main reasons that Latino's don't get the recognition they deserve for helping to cultivate the culture is because they were most active in the facets of hip-hop that were not as celebrated by the mainstream; such as breaking, graffiti art, & DJing.  Another reason is that during the late 80's hip-hop became very Afrocentric due to the influence of groups like Public Enemy, and X-clan and as a result many Latinos could not identify with the music as strongly, and therefore several of them moved on to other genre's of music such as Freestyle, and House.  

So while you can argue that Latino's themselves allowed their cultural contributions to be regulated as a footnote in hip-hop's history; their place in the culture can not be questioned and is not up for open debate.  Ask any of the pillars of this hip-hop culture from Krs-One, to Chuck D, to DJ Kool Herc, to Afrika Bambata and all of them will tell you that Latinos were there from day one of this hip-hop shit.  In the early 70's my Pops was a member of one of the original Uprock crews (pre B-boy) out of Bushwick, Brooklyn, called M.T.C. (Music to Communicate).  He was a Puerto Rican spinning Soul, Funk, and Disco break beats at park jams before many of the more established names like Grandmaster Flash, or Bambatta attained recognition in the Bronx.  If that's not enough for you then don't take my word for it; go look it up and do the research that you should have done before you opened your mouth and tried to marginalize others with out knowing all the facts.

And for those who are ignorant enough to think that my attempt to highlight the contributions of Latino's in hip-hop is in someway an attempt to drum up controversy, or add to the divide between black and brown, then you are totally mistaken.  

As a life long New Yorker, I can proudly say that I have never experienced the type animosity between black and brown that is prevalent in the west coast.  My experience growing up in New York as a Puerto Rican has been very much defined by my relationships with blacks, through the camaraderie, and natural bond that we share.  While there are differences in our cultures (mostly language); we have many more similarities than we care to acknowledge.  

In New York, the Black and Latino experience is a singular one; since we are tied to many of the same economic and civil rights issues.  As far as I'm concerned, a victory for the black community is a victory for the Latino community, and vice versa.  But unfortunately not everyone is of the same mindset, and we as a people have allowed the influence of government and media to drive a wedge between our communities.  They have made it their protocol  to try and accentuate our differences and create dissent, because they realize that when we are united in our efforts we can achieve great things.  Look no further than the election of President Obama if you need evidence of what our people can do when we bond together for a worthy cause.      

With that being said, I respect everybody's opinion as long as it's an informed one, and I hope that we all do our part to end all the bulls**t negativity, and down right pettiness that we as a culture seem to always fall victim to.

Long live hip-hop music!
December 1, 2009 3:29 AM
 

KJ24 said:

Peace Muthadon... good post fam, real spit....

@erikBnyc

Another good post, backed up by factual information... they only way these ig'nant mu'fuckas gon' get the point is if we knock em' upside the head with information to support these well known facts... one love fam.

December 1, 2009 3:50 AM
 

KJ24 said:

In New York, the Black and Latino experience is a singular one; since we are tied to many of the same economic and civil rights issues.  As far as I'm concerned, a victory for the black community is a victory for the Latino community, and vice versa.  But unfortunately not everyone is of the same mindset, and we as a people have allowed the influence of government and media to drive a wedge between our communities.  They have made it their protocol  to try and accentuate our differences and create dissent, because they realize that when we are united in our efforts we can achieve great things.  Look no further than the election of President Obama if you need evidence of what our people can do when we bond together for a worthy cause.      

__________

Great points made here!! They are attempting to create dissent and discord amongst blacks and latinos b/c if we are united, as I stated previously, we are a serious threat to the government and white man's agenda.
December 1, 2009 3:52 AM
 

MUTHADON@ said:

KJ24 WHAT'S GOOD BRUH,I'M JUST TELLING IT HOW IT IS ....

December 1, 2009 3:52 AM
 

lukeblack said:

Don't know if you already know about it or not, but please go to: DR1.com, click on to Message Boards, then General Stuff, then on Dominicans in the U.S. can you identify.  
You have to register to state your mind.  Maybe you can help some Latino's in the DR see things the way you do.  The ones I have spoken to have cussed me out for calling them brothers and trying to teach them our similarities in history.  There seem to be more differences than similarities, but it is very evident of the similarities that make the brown and black relations confusing.  If you care to know my opinion as an AA, I cannot help but see Latino's as the same any many ways when I read the histories of Panama, DR, Puerto Rico and Cuba; and Brazil (yes, I know they speak Portuguese).  The differences of course are in culture, language, wars, histories, basically more differences (in the sense of things that pertain specifically to an individual country) than similarities;  with AA's but these differences are almost equally as different as what separate them from other Latino countries.  The similarities AA's and all Latino countries far outnumber the relations these specific countries I have named have with the original Spaniards.
December 1, 2009 4:02 AM
 

erikBnyc said:

Good looks @KJ24.  This article definitely hit a nerve and I was pretty inspired by all the comments from both sides of the argument.  

BTW thanks for your post as well, It  was dope to hear the Mexican point of view represented on this issue.  You were definitely droppin some jewels my dude.  If Kid Frost, Mellow Man Ace, or Cypress Hill ain't hip-hop then I don't know which way is up or down lmao.
December 1, 2009 4:11 AM
 

lukeblack said:

African Americans (AA) and Latino's should unite; and Native American brothers and sisters.  There is important dialogue that needs to be intellectually debated among people that are well aware of history.  Don't let something that can be so beautiful fall away.  There is much gray in the shade of the two browns.  Don't use whiteout.  Bring it to the table and let's eat Family. As a black man I welcome all Latino's and Native Americans as family.  Share your story as our blood and your blood. Don't let the thin waters separate.
December 1, 2009 4:11 AM
 

KJ24 said:

erikBnyc said:
Good looks @KJ24.  This article definitely hit a nerve and I was pretty inspired by all the comments from both sides of the argument.  

BTW thanks for your post as well, It  was dope to hear the Mexican point of view represented on this issue.  You were definitely droppin some jewels my dude.  If Kid Frost, Mellow Man Ace, or Cypress Hill ain't hip-hop then I don't know which way is up or down lmao.  

_________

Preciate that homie... yeah, you was droppin jewels as well. I'm anxious to see wot these ignorant cats talking down on latinos have to say after reading our posts, which are drippin' wit factual info to back up our claims...

And yeah, Pun was one of the illest lyricists to ever step in the booth. Pun would've rapped circles around these clowns favorite rappers in his sleep.... and wot about Chino XXL?? He is hip hop to the core. Good to see folks like you spreading knowledge on our builds to help these sheep and and uninformed so called " heads" see wot the deal really is... peace to you and yours fam. I post regulary on the rumors, you need to slide through sometime and drop some of these jewels on there.
December 1, 2009 4:32 AM
 

slice1 said:

Judging by all the comments here i could see this article did wonders for race relations...I say another century or more of day-in- day-out of these types of articles and we might be past the ignorance in these comments

If ya do nothing else for the rest of ur lives please READ BOOKS,for all our childrens sakes,lets not pass our ignorance along
December 1, 2009 4:36 AM
 

KJ24 said:

lukeblack said:
African Americans (AA) and Latino's should unite; and Native American brothers and sisters.  There is important dialogue that needs to be intellectually debated among people that are well aware of history.  Don't let something that can be so beautiful fall away.  There is much gray in the shade of the two browns.  Don't use whiteout.  Bring it to the table and let's eat Family. As a black man I welcome all Latino's and Native Americans as family.  Share your story as our blood and your blood. Don't let the thin waters separate.

___________

Cosign! I concur 110%... and as a Mexican American, I too, welcome all blacks and Natives to eat as one. And as I stated earlier, my daughter is Afro Mexican and I will drill both her Mexican and  African roots into her head, so that she knows the truth and can pass that knowledge on to my eventual grandkids. Good build fam!
December 1, 2009 4:37 AM
 

erikBnyc said:

@ lukeblack

I agree with a lot of what you said and I see things similarly.  As a P.R. who has lived in New York my whole life, I have a far greater sense of my racial and cultural identity than many others do.  I am not ashamed of my African ancestry and I don't try to hide it or make excuses to avoid talking about it.

Unfortunately there will always be those in the Latino community who have been inflicted with a sense of self hate that has propelled many of them to do everything possible to disassociate themselves from their own race and culture.  I know Dominicans who are two shades darker than Obama, and they would never own up to their "Blackness" due to the unfortunate stigma that has been attached to the word.  This condition of cultural disassociation and flat out self denial comes in many shapes and forms, and is not solely regulated to the Latino community.

The concept of "lighter is beautiful" is not a new concept, and it has been something that White Europeans have used against both Blacks and Latinos for generations.  All Blacks and Latinos have  family members (Aunt, Uncle, Cousin etc.) who try their best to distance themselves from their culture in order to fit in to the standards that whites have placed on societal acceptance.  Whether that means moving to the suburbs, changing your outward appearance, marrying an outside race, or changing your name to something less ethnically identifiable; all non white cultures struggle with this issue of "self-hate".  

I feel like some of the individuals commenting on here are misplacing their anger and pointing fingers at the wrong people.  
Like LukeBlack said: "Don't let the thin waters separate."
December 1, 2009 4:58 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

This should settle it. When Eminem was coming in Hip Hop, they said he is a white guy doing a Black Artform. They didn't say a Black and Latino Artform, so that statement itself proves it's a Black Artform. I don't see how people think they can come in and takeover someone else Music Culture. Latino Music Culture is Salsa and Reggaeton, even Spanish Rap, but Hip Hop belong to the Blacks. How many relevant Latino Hip Hop Artist is it today? None. Big Pun was the biggest Latino Artist to date, and he rapped in English not Spanish.
December 1, 2009 11:23 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

This should settle it. When Eminem was coming in Hip Hop, they said he is a white guy doing a Black Artform. They didn't say a Black and Latino Artform, so that statement itself proves it's a Black Artform. I don't see how people think they can come in and takeover someone else Music Culture. Latino Music Culture is Salsa and Reggaeton, even Spanish Rap, but Hip Hop belong to the Blacks. How many relevant Latino Hip Hop Artist is it today? None. Big Pun was the biggest Latino Artist to date, and he rapped in English not Spanish.
December 1, 2009 11:24 AM
 

gorgan said:

Any black person who has a problem with the Latino's contribution to hip hop is a jack ass . BUT I DO GET A SENSE THAT SOME OF YOU ARE HAVING A HARD TIME IN FESSING UP THAT NIQQAZ INVENTED HIP HOP

why do all races of all kinds have a problem with giving the blackman his props

James Brown , The Watts Prophets , The Black Poets , Gil Scott Heron, Jamaican sound system culture etc laid down a lot of fundamental sonic's of the music  

Kool Herc a BLACK yardman like myself discovered the breakbeat , Which is the core and spine of the music

DJ Hollywood a BLACKMAN is widely attributed to coining the phrase Hip Hop

And that's how it was , And that's how it is

Here's a little more proof how niqqas started this
check this niqqa out this is 1968 if any one can find a rap track before this I give up and you win

http://www.youtube.com/v/DvMBxlu62c0&hl=en_GB&fs=1&"

http://www.youtube.com/v/gErIpuANod4&hl=en_GB&fs=1&"

December 1, 2009 11:39 AM
 

gorgan said:

@liquidswords95

how can reggaeton be spanish ? reggae is black Jamaican music , THE REGGAETON DRUM , IS BASICALLY A SPED UP JAMAICAN DANCEHALL DRUM
December 1, 2009 11:48 AM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

Again No one said that Hip Hop wasnt black those who do are ignorant. How ever like i said there were countless latino that helped create the music and culture.

thats it give credit where credit is due. No 1 is trying to steal anything. The shame is the reason this whole mess started is because ignorant pple started making off comments disrespecting latinos in that post about calle 13.

Regardless of wat any one says in the beginning there were many latinos that helped pave the way for hip hop. period that is documented and its a fact. No One said that yall have to call it latin music. Just give reckognition to the people that helped the way.

BBOY movement is still around and guess who is one of the MAJOR people keeping that alive. Crazy Legs a latino.

There are countless Latin DJ's that are relevant and still are relevent.

Graff artists there come in all colors and always have. Hip Hop culture the whole was stated by black and latin faces. The music is an evolution of black music YES. like almost all forms of musit the roots befor that are in Africa. Just like the roots od "spanish" music.

the movement of however hip hop was an evolution of the urban culture, go watch any early 80's hip hop stuff and you will see many latin faces. If latins wasnt in the same pj's contributing to the same parties and also promoting the same movement then we'd have no claim.

African Americans werent there in the creation of Salsa And Menrengue music so the comparison isnt realy a just one. But latin faces did contribute as fore fathers of hip hop. Also wherther or not it stayed that way is relevant with the history.

Hip Hop classic movies  like breakin the lead charecter Shabba Doo Adolfo Quinones.

Reymo in beat street.

and in almost any thing that has to do with old school there latin faces RIGHT there with the black ones.

The point in case is latins helped in the creation of hip hop culture like it or not.

Im not gonna argue the musical roots but hip hop is a culture, Rapping is jsut one aspect of the culture. And at that we was there too.

NO one wants to steal any thing form any one just give credit where its due.

Yes a black music from a culture pioneered with black and latin faces. PPl need to stop the whole Black vs Latin thing... Know ya history...
December 1, 2009 11:58 AM
 

harlem16 said:

@kj24 look brother I'm not sure what country you live in but English is the official language of this country and if you don't believe me look it up its already been official named. Secondly I see that you took offense to me saying that Hispanic Americans want to be included in African-American culture but don't want to include African-Americans in their culture. Look I just call how I see it I'm just speaking from my experience. We can debate all day about who started hip hop but lets put rap music to the side for second. Now I will not sit here one second and deny that Hispanics havent indured racism and discrimination but the problem I have is that A lot of Hispanics claim that they have historically dealt with the same issues just as blacks have. Let me ask you something back in the 60s how many Hispanics for the ones who were here were marching alongside with black's while MLK was trying to liberate a racist united states of America   back in the 20s and 30s I don't remember seeing Hispanics being hung from trees burned alive being separated from their families because of skin color the lighter slave working in the master's house while the original darker ones endured physical as well as mental abuse. See the way I see you can't even begin to compare illegal immigration to slavery as well as the civil rights movement. When you speak of Hispanics enduring  slavery outside of the united states those are blacks from Africa not the Hispanics or Latinos of today. See like I said in a earlier post the term Hispanic or Latino is not a race but so many of y'all equate this term with being a race when the correct term is mulatto and that's what y'all are mulattos who speak the English or Spanish language who have different cultures. See I know a lot of you so called Hispanic or Latinos are proud people and it's nothing wrong that because I'm also proud of my culture And heritage but too many of y'all don't know what the difference between a nationality,race, and culture is. I hear Latinos  claiming their nationality to Dominican Mexican Puerto rican when they were born right here on u.s soil. Let's get this straight nationality is what nation or country you were born in not what your race is you yourself might claim to Mexican American but technically you are American like me but you just of Spanish decent And your culture is Mexican not your race or nationality. As for most Latinos accepting aa for who they really are that's a fucking joke you only accept us because you only like the parts of our culture that are entertaining such as our form of expression when it comes to music style of dress and the most famous which is the use of the n word. Look I understand that Latinos go through similar issues like black's but do you  really have prove it by refering to everybody who's black or Latin as a n***a and just because they struggle doesn't mean that they are a n***a but I really can't blame you guys because that's dysfunctional way of thinking from us AA the only reason Hispanics started using the term is because us blacks made it okay.                  
December 1, 2009 12:26 PM
 

kuulski said:

Props and Co-Sign, erikBnyc,trinnydwilliams - Glad to see some people know their history.

@gorgan- Props On reggaeton comments and your avi/ One of my fav biggie pics

Also to stir it up some more my top 3 of all time Hate it or love:
Excluded are my hall of famers Rakim/LL Cool J/Beastie Boyz/Fat Boyz/Krs 1 and boogie down productions/public enemy/ as I see them seperate and already cemented in history.

1.Biggie
2.Pac
3.Pun
December 1, 2009 12:31 PM
 

kuulski said:

@harlem16 - I dont understand how you could say there is a culture difference here...our "Cultures" have the same blood line. Puerto Ricans/Cubans/Mexicans/Domicans etc..all have Bloodlines that go back to slaves and africa. Seriously look it up we are not making this up. Just cause we speak spanish and english doesnt mean anything. Historically english is not African americans native language you are speaking a language that slaves were taught by their slave owners. Seriously this is not made up. Educate yourself homie.
December 1, 2009 12:35 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@Gorgan

It seem like Latino's do have a problem giving a Blackman his props, but it don't matter, they will never get bigger than Blacks in Hip Hop. I don't have a problem with Latino's doing hip hop, but i have a problem when they try to claim hip hop as being theirs, cause it's not.  I can't be convinced otherwise. All the Top MC's on the mic has and always will be Black. Of Course in other aspects of Hip Hop like Graffitti, yeah it's alot of Latino's, but most people just focus on MCing and DJing in Hip Hop and most of them is Black. Ya'll don't have to like it, but that's the way it is, Hip Hop is the Blackman Creation. Also Reggaeton is Latin, It originated in Puerto Rico, so what is you talking about homie.

@TrinnyWilliams

You need to stop being in denial, Hip Hop is not the Latino's, ya'll played a part in it, but a small part though. It's the Blacks Musical Culture, regardless what you or anyone say.

December 1, 2009 1:04 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@kuulski

Mexicans don't have the same Bloodline as Black people do. Mexicans is a mixture of Spaniard and Aztec Indians. Puerto Ricans and Dominicans do though. Also Brazilians and Cubans to, but not Mexicans though.
December 1, 2009 1:06 PM
 

kuulski said:

@liquidswords95 - eminem is top 3 right now homie. That killz your whole theory. Do you realize if Hip Hop was truly based on your mindset it would of died 20 years ago? If anything Hip Hop has always welcomed anyone that wanted to be a part. Thats the wholeeee point. Unity. SMH.
December 1, 2009 1:08 PM
 

harlem16 said:

@kuulski look homie Im smarter than you think l know English wasn't always the language spoken on this land everybody knows that you don't need a Ph. D to know that dumbass  if you read any of my post I was saying that the Hispanics of today don't endure the same type racism and discrimination at level that blacks did in this country like y'all claim. And like I said before the AA culture not black African AMERICAN  is quite different from the Cuban Dominican Puerto rican etc it's just not language homie its a wide spectrum. l bet I can name something that you do on a daily basis that was influenced by AA culture. See this is how my culture is different from yours see my ancestors were.brought here unwillingly and under physical and mental abuse we manage to take things that were used to oppress us and create our own culture compared to other immigrants who come already with their culture. Latino culture for the most part  is not American culture unless if it was something that was created here in the u.s especially when most Latinos don't even refer to themselves as Americans even though they were born here. Hip hop is just not black and Hispanic culture its a part of American culture like it or not homie
December 1, 2009 1:15 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@liquidswords95

how am I in denial for saying the truth?

At no point did i argue that it wasnt black music. Im saying stop fronting and give credit where credit is. Due i have family members in the BX that was around in those early days and they was out there too. And i personally know of the latino involvement in the past. Ive stated nothing but facts. And i also recognize that it is predominately black but again we helped create it nothing you can say will change the facts hommie. Im very tolerant of AA contribution to all music and culure but dont front on our involvement. Nobody said change hip hop and call it spanish music because it isnt, even unless its in spanish and at that its just hip hop in spanish. Alot of people front on the origins and wat we contributed. Once Hip Hop spread thats where it really shifted the concentration of latinos changed to but in its early days in the BX we was right there look it up there is no denial. If you read every thing i wrote thus far im sure you will see that...

Small you say

Also Mr. Magic RIP (John Rivas) debuted in 1981 on WHBI-FM in New York City with the first exclusive rap radio show to be aired on a major station. Billing itself as Rap Attack, Magic's show featured Marley Marl as the DJ and Tyrone "Fly Ty" Williams as the show's co-producer. Magic's reign on the New York City airwaves lasted six years and was instrumental in broadening the scope and validity of hip-hop music.[2] Mr. Magic recorded one 12' single as an artist "Magic's Message (There's A Better Way)" [3] , produced by Spyder D for Posse Records in 1984.

During the mid-80s there was a rivalry between Mr. Magic and Kool DJ Red Alert, who hosted a weekly show on WRKS-FM. The feud also played out between proxy rap groups, the Juice Crew and Boogie Down Productions (see The Bridge Wars). The Juice Crew - headed by Mr. Magic's on-air assistant, DJ Marley Marl - was named after one of Magic's aliases, "Sir Juice."[4]

And many more DJ's The voice of NY as they call her in the radio is "angie martinez"

and there are many other DJ's all around trhe us of latin decent. Stop trying to downplay the involvement of latins in hip hop. More so Latin Americans.
December 1, 2009 1:18 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

Actually Raggeatons origin is in Panama and before that Dancehall.

Reggaeton was orginally called ragge in espanol in its origin its comes from jamican influnece. Which in turn was from african influence AGAIN like spanish music from the Cuba DR and PR.

Common Bonds....
December 1, 2009 1:21 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@kuulski

EMINEM TOP 3............GET THE f**k OUTTA HERE...........THATS YOUR bulls**t OPINION.............EMINEM IS SO OVERRATED ITS A SHAME.............ANYWAY I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LATINO'S DOING HIP HOP...........BUT SINCE YA'LL WANT TO TAKEOVER.........STICK TO YA'LL OWN bulls**t MUSIC............LIKE SALSA AND REGGAETON..........THAT JIBBERISH.......... YOU SEE ALLHIPHOP SAY ALL BLACK EVERYTHING...........THAT'S WHAT IT IS HOMIE.............US AS BLACK PEOPLE ALWAYS ACCEPT OTHER RACES OF PEOPLE IN OUR ARTFORM...........BUT THEY WOULDN'T DO THE SAME TO US..........IF I'M WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIP HOP......SO BE IT........ HIP HOP NEED SOMEONE TO SAY THE THINGS OTHER BLACK FOLKS THINK..........BUT TO SCARED TO SAY IT.............HIP HOP ALWAYS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A BLACK ART-FORM...........BESIDES PUN AND FAT JOE............WHAT LATINO BEEN HOT ON THE MIC...........B REAL IS TRASH..........HIS HIGH PITCHED VOICE...............ICE CUBE CRUSHED CYPRESS HILL IN THEIR BATTLE......... IN MY OPINION SPANISH RAP SUCK............WHATS UP LIQUIDSWORDS...........THESE LATINO NI99AS CRAZY HOMIE...... THINKING HIP HOP IS THEIRS........YA'LL BETTER GO SOMEWHERE WITH THAT TRASH
December 1, 2009 1:23 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@ harlem16

I 100% cosign on Hip Hop being American Culture in its essance. 100%! thats true and like i told u last night i wont call it Latin music at all.

BUT again my ancestors came on the same boat yours did. Dont forget that. There was slaves brought to latin america and that is part of the reasons many latinos are black and have balck features. And like i said befor in its origins the same genocide occured it just didnt happen on american soil. Hence why you dont here about it as much. And also you for get many latin like my self are first generation in this country so of course alot od us wasnt in the civil rights movemnet. But guess wat  when my parents and grandparents came here with there black skin guess wat they was treated as???
December 1, 2009 1:27 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@trinnydwilliams

AIN'T NO ONE TRYING TO DOWNPLAY THE LATINO CONTRIBUTIONS............BUT IT DON'T BELONG TO YOU..........LIKE LIQUIDSWORDS SAID.............HOW MANY LATINO RAPPERS BLEWUP IN HIP HOP..........ONLY 2 REALLY...........AND THAT'S PUN AND JOE.............CYRPESS HILL SUCKS..........IF LATIN RAPPERS WAS ALL THAT.........YA'LL BE AT THE FOREFRONT LIKE THE BLACK MC'S IS
December 1, 2009 1:27 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@ODOGGZ

YOU NEED TO WATCH WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE..........YA'LL MUTHAFUCKAS IN NO POSITION TO TALK s**tTO BLACKS.......... YA'LL IN OUR MUSIC AND CULTURE NOT VICE VERSA............SO I COULD GIVE A f**k ABOUT WHAT YOU OR ANY OTHER LATINO PERSON THINK.........SOME OF YA'LL MIXED WITH THE DEVIL TRAIT ANYWAY.........THE WHITEMAN IS THE DEVIL...............MEXICANS IN PARTICULAR HAVE DEVIL IN THEM CAUSE THEY PART SPANIARD.........SO I COULD GIVE A f**k ABOUT THEM...........IF THEY GET OUTTA LINE ANYWAY.  I'M SPEAKING THE TRUTH IT MIGHT SOUND HARSH.............BUT US AS BLACK AMERICANS NEED TO WAKEUP AND STOP LETTING FOLKS EXPLOIT US.
December 1, 2009 1:32 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@Sharp_Shooter
Look hip hop is much more than rappers. I aint never argue that spanish rappers was better or watever. There are MANY latin DJ's BBOYS Graf artists and some rappers.

Many of rappers are half latino. Alot more than som ppl think.

And I aint say it belongs to us specifically i say we helped make it and people tend to always forgeth that in these arguments. thats that. Hip Hop aint only about MC's man.

ANd there was more than 2 rappers of spanish decent b.

December 1, 2009 1:32 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@kuulski

MORE PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE ME AND LIQUID MINDSET...........IF THEY DID..........WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS ARGUMENT RIGHT NOW...........YA'LL DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE ORIGINATORS OF HIP HOP THEIR PROPS.........SO f**k YA'LL................IT'S OUR MUSICAL CULTURE............... IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT........GET THE f**k OUT.......KICK ROCKS........GO BACK TO DOING SPANISH RAP........THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT.......EXCEPT YA'LL.......
December 1, 2009 1:36 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

HEY LIQUID............ NEXT IT'S GOING TO BE WHITE FOLKS SAYING HIP HOP BELONG TO THEM...........BECAUSE EMINEM IS IN HIP HOP........LOL.........WE INVENTED JAZZ, BLUES, ROCK N ROLL............ELVIS PRESLEY STOLE HIS WHOLE STYLE FROM CHUCK BERRY...............HE STOLE BLACK MUSIC AND USED IT TO HIS ADVANTAGE...............IF BLACK AMERICANS DON'T WAKEUP............WHITES AND LATINO'S WILL TRY TO DO THE SAME THING..............IF WE HAVE TO STOP SUPPORTING LATINO ARTIST TO MAKE A POINT............I'M DOWN TO DO THAT.........ACTUALLY I DON'T LISTEN TO SPANISH RAP.........SO I DON'T SUPPORT THEM ANYWAY.......BUT OTHER BLACK FOLKS NEED TO THOUGH.
December 1, 2009 1:41 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

JUST BECAUSE MANY RACES DO HIP HOP DON'T MEAN IT'S THEIRS.........THAT'S WHERE YA'LL IS GETTING CONFUSED AT.............HIP HOP IS A BLACK ART-FORM............DON'T GET IT TWISTED........ROCK N ROLL IS A BLACK ART-FORM...........THATS WHY YOU HAD PEOPLE LIKE CHUCK BERRY AND JIMI HENDRIX COULD DO ROCK N ROLL BETTER THAN WHITE FOLKS COULD.............CAUSE WE THE ORIGINATORS OF THAT ART
December 1, 2009 1:43 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ Sharp_Shooter

It is predominantly a black art form but it doesnt negate the fact that spanish folk were at the forefront...I think that we should not support trash music versus worrying about what race made it, truth be told I would listen to a dope freestyle from the kid eyedea (white guy) than to anything ringtone gargbage..
December 1, 2009 1:53 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@NYCordnance

You know i don't have a problem with Latino's doing hip hop, it's just i don't like when Latino's or any Race, don't want to say it's a Black Art-Form, that's all i'm saying. Pun made some hot music that i love, If you make good hip hop music, then I'm all for it.
December 1, 2009 1:57 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ liquidswords95

I think that you have a major point when you say it's a black art form, especially taking into consideration that black folks are the major players in hip hop.  After reading the threads above I can see both sides of the coin, it's a valid argument on both sides...I'm with you, as long as the music is hot I don't care what race made it...my fav music as most already know is a black/latino group, SLAUGHTERHOUSE!!! my advice? be colorblind!
December 1, 2009 2:06 PM
 

kuulski said:

@Sharp_Shooter - You said Cypress Hill sucks? You lost all cred homie. Did you say we mixed with the Devil trait? ROFL! Sheesh.
Seriously though there is so much garbage out there you sound like the type to be eating it all up. Enjoy...I am into rap that is actually saying something, that actually has meaning.
Funny thing iz im going to go out on a limb here and say you dont speak spanish...soo...how could you judge music that you dont even know what they are saying? Thats like saying Hip Hop is all black and you have nothing to back it up except Internet Gangster talk. Oh wait thats exactly what your doing, I get it. Next.

@harlem16 - How do you know what we endured? Latinos come as black as any black man and as white as any white person. My brother looked like he was black and also I got the same type of treatment you are crying about growing up and get this, in a black neighborhood. Im not over here playing a violin about the pain my great grandfather suffered and I dont see your point in doing so, other then making excuses. You sound like the dumbass...Saying your pain is greater then ours...stop drinking the kool aid, its not 1980 anymore its 2009. Times have changed and the enemy has changed its objectives and WE as a people need to keep our eye on the prize and that is to prosper and be successful as  individuals and as people. If you are not providing solutions and insist on focusing all your energy on proving an opinion that is based on nothing except your Hope that nobody will take Hip Hop  away from "Your People" then good luck with that. Hip Hop is in ICU right now and you are an example of why.
December 1, 2009 2:09 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@kuulski

I never cared much for Cyrpess Hill myself, B Real voice is annoying. You say Cypress Hill is hot, but Fat Joe is wack. I think you lost all your cred, not Sharp Shooter. We don't have to listen to Spanish Rap, to each it's own. You sound stupid by saying, we don't have no proof to say hip hop is a Black Art. Okay Kool Herc is a Blackman, he is credited with creating Hip Hop, Jamaicans is Black, they speak broken English. Jamaicans consider themselves Black also, I talked to many of them. Mostly all the DJ's and MC's is Black, I  could go on and on, but you in denial, if you saying Hip Hop ain't Black. I know you want something to claim, but ya'll got Salsa and Reggaeton. I like Salsa by the way, but not Reggaeton. If you don't understand it, why listen to it, that don't make sense. I speak and understand some Spanish.
December 1, 2009 2:18 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@kuulski

Also Hip Hop is not on ICU, it's just going back to it's roots. Hip Hop wasn't made for everyone to listen to anyway, it was a outlet for young Black males and females to display the injustices against us. Hip Hop came from our pain and struggle, so that can never be on Life Support. Real MC's do Hip Hop for the love, not the money, Hip Hop will never die, you sound like it's a Fad or something. A fad don't last over 30 years homie. I think you what's wrong with hip hop, you keep talking about it won't last and all that, if that's the case, Leave, we don't need you. I consider Reggaeton a Fad in the United States, it was hot, now it's gone. But the Reggaeton Artist that love the Art, will always make that type of music, not for the money, but the love of it.
December 1, 2009 2:24 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:


@NYCordnance

Yeah Joell Ortiz is Puerto Rican right? It's all about making good music, but folks need to give credit, where credit is due. Kurtis Blow was the first Rapper with a major Record deal. The fact is Black People introduced hip hop to the world, if you take Blacks out of the Equation, there wouldn't be no Hip Hop to listen to, that's a fact though.
December 1, 2009 2:29 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

Look the reality of it all like i said in many past posts,

I wont argue that hip hop is a predominately Black culture and i never said any thing else but i wont sit here and act like latinos didnt contribute to its creation in the early stages period.

And im not gonna argue over what race has better rappers cuz its a dumb argument the best is a preference thing. Personally i wasnt even really a pun fan to begin with latin or not. But i know may black folk that have him in they top 5. ITs preference. I hate the tags listen to the music.

And hip hop isnt in ICU its just back to the beginning All about the party. The First MC's all rapped about the Dj and how good he was. Hip Hop started as Party music and it was called Disco Rap before the term hip hop came around. Music moves in cycles we shifting to the next one now.
December 1, 2009 2:37 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

** i mean i wont argue that Hip Hop isnt predominanty black we all know that is true. I also said any one who think other wise is ignorant.
December 1, 2009 2:38 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ liquidswords95

I think that without the black influence of course hip hop would not be where it's at, agreed...with that being said I don't think that   trinnydwilliams is saying anything different...I see the latino, jamaican, and hell even european influence in hip hop (moog aka auto tune was europe's invention).....

you know the intro in Big Pun's "yeahh baby" he creates the perfect MC, and he def gives props to black folks...in fact I read Kool G Rap say that when Pun met him he got down on one knee, real talk, now I am not suggesting that latins need to bow down...just saying that blacks people are recognized by the latins...

Joell Ortiz is Puerto Rican from BK, I've said it before and I'll say it again, this dude is the truth!! that's the real elephant in the room, I still haven't heard anything this dude put out that has been trash but again it isn't about what race is making that fire music...
December 1, 2009 2:49 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@NYCordnance

I heard Joell Ortiz spit, he is hot though. Him and Raekwon got a track together, Joell got mad wordplay. But i think we can agree that Auto-rune need to be left out of Hip Hop, except for T-Pain I guess.  It's whatever, i just want people to give the Inventor's of Hip Hop props, nothing more nothing less. Some Latino's make good hip hop music.
December 1, 2009 3:00 PM
 

NYCordnance said:

@ liquidswords95

agreed, let's leave that auto tune out!! I think even pain has worn it out to me my dude.  And also point well taken that you like to see props given, same here... also I have the advantage of having both cultures in me, homie I am the best of both worlds....

I think that latins make dope music but it can get wack just like any other rapper....I mean seriously how can anyone defend the likes of Yung Joc, lol
December 1, 2009 3:10 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@liquidswords95

Oh course respect is always give to those who deserve it.
At the end my whole reason for even commenting is when you got back to the 70's when Cool Herc started this ish you will see Many Latin faces in that room. But all in all it will be more Black ppl there thats a given.

And i havent disagreed with you but just as much as you want respect for being originators lets give respect to the latins that were apart of that group originators.

Personally I look at African Americans as like cousins to Many of us latinos, More so to some of us than others tho.  In that we come from very similar stories. I mean if it was the English and not the spanish that took over hispaniola we would be  just like any other carribean island.

I hope that peopl will just listen to the music I dont think that Joell Ortiz want that tag of Latin rapper. He just wanna rap. Aint that the point at the end?
December 1, 2009 3:10 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@nYCodinance

Argeeed I really never liked "Latin" Rap or alot of the Chicano rap but thats not my taste Im a boom bap dude. But i wont put the beat nuts above wu just cuz they latin tho but i will say that beat nuts had dope beats regardless of wat language they speak.... feel me Good Music is good music.

But yea TPain is the only auto tune i really cosign!
December 1, 2009 3:13 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@liquid

Alos Hell yea Reaggaeton was a fad. I didnt really care for it. A lot of it has not love for the culture to it not all of it but alot of it was made to exploit thats why it aint last.
Little know fact alot of reaggaeton labels were just fronts for drug dealers in PR.
December 1, 2009 3:15 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:


@trinnydwilliams

Fat Joe or Joell Ortiz don' t want to be labeled Spanish Rappers. Fat Joe said he is a Rapper that happen to be Spanish. I feel like Labeling yourself a Spanish Rapper pigeonholds you. Fat Joe and Joellz, i consider them hip hop artist, not Latin Rappers, ya feel me. I saw Pun in the same way, Pun said some of the most memorable lines in Hip Hop history. I stated that Latino's played a part in Hip Hop, I'm not denying that.
December 1, 2009 3:22 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@liquid
Point taken but u said i was in denial, and i never said it wasnt Black culture either. To be honest hommie we saying more the same than different. if you look back to my previous post youll see im basically saying the same but there are ppl that dont know the history and act like we wasnt there at all.

Like i said before i dont like the tags it does pigeon whole you. like thats why i never say wat I am i let ppl in person treat me as they would. When they find out im not black (alot of them are shocked for some reason) they treat me the same thats how it should be.

Plus its wack cuz at the end of the day real hip hop fans support good music. regardless of what skin color the rapper come from.
December 1, 2009 3:29 PM
 

PhredPhantom said:

First of all I would like to say this article came off as just unfair and brutally one-sided. Such a sensitive and important topic as Healing Hip-Hop’s Racial Wounds, between two communities shouldn't be so brutally one-sided. I mean, everyone knows it takes two to tango. An article such as this cause parties to be dug in. The one taken the brunt of the criticism becomes highly defensive and the other plays judge, chastiser, or the victim role. Which makes the platform for talking and bringing two parties together disruptive and counterproductive.

Other than:

“Of course the Brown community isn’t all innocent. Many Blacks rightly feel a sense of condescension or superiority from Latino/Latina peoples. Those of darker skin, especially, believe their lighter kinfolk adopt the same sensibilities of racist Whites who contend dark skin is a blemish signaling intellectual inferiority. And it doesn’t help matters when certain Brown folk subscribe to the same White supremacist dogmas that describe Blacks in primitive and petulant terms. I can bear personal witness to such encounters. But it’s critical that Blacks come to terms with what prompts such presuppositions—media-misinformation—and apply greater compassion when dealing with their misguided family. “

You would think that the Brown community is just being abused, bad mouthed, and outright oppressed by the Black community. The writer has no use or really no care to criticize them any further or lay any responsibility on them.

Really, you would think that the African-American community where conspiring to undermine and belittle the place or growth in the entertainment industry and American mainstream by reading this article.

I mean do you really think the African-American community has the power or want to oppress another group in this fashion? Really think about it, how many black publications, and media productions and entertainment outlets feature Latino and other minorities? Lots of them I see blacks let others join their party in a far greater fashion than the other way around. Pretty much once you're down with us; you pretty much have a free pass.

If you have proof of something else please show me, because I’d like to know. Seriously, no joke, this conversation could move forward in a far more positive fashion. If we show how we help each rather than tear each other down or apart.

Hey, I will never say that African-Americans above racism and ignorance. Being Black myself I have seen it from my peeps constantly. But I've seen that the exact same thing on the other side of the fence from the Hispanic community. Unless we can talk about the problems concerning both people this problem would never be resolved.

As far as hip-hop goes, Rap can be traced back to Jamaica, from there further back to Africa. You realize that someone who raps, chants, and sings African spoken word or folk tales can do it over the same beat. They’re interchangeable and are the same art form that has just evolved over the years. This is not to say that Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Cubans weren't there, putting in their input. Though many were black, there are also many who weren’t. They came saw their friends doing something and said how about you try this. Though without their friends, their art may have moved forward. But make no mistake; it would not have been the same by any means. Now it is something that they both share and has become a part of both of them.

No one whose brain is working can ever deny that hip-hop is a black art form, but it could never have been the same without input from the Latin community. I think that's what trinnydwilliams was trying to say. Yo, let me know if I'm reading you wrong man.

None in that community have more claim to this point than Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Cubans of the Northeast. They and the African-American community have shown such great solidarity to the point where the rest of us should be ashamed.
December 1, 2009 4:11 PM
 

erikBnyc said:

Thank you "Kuulski" for exposing the truth to some of the many misinformed individuals on this forum.  A lot of you on here have totally missed the point of this article, and instead of allowing yourself the time to digest some of the ideas being shared;  many of you have chosen to be defensive by merely arguing for the sake of arguing.

Lets get some things clear @sharp_shooter, @liquidswords 95, & @Harlem16:

No one is debating (at least not me) that the musical roots of hip-hop largely originates from "Black" music.  The only thing that is being debated is the extent to which Latino's have been instrumental in cultivating the culture.  

All three of you guys seem to want to dismiss the contributions of a community that has been very instrumental in getting hip-hop to where it is today.  While Latino's can't claim to be the face of hip-hop, we can sure stake claim to being a large part of the backbone of this culture.  If you guys are foolish enough to believe that hip-hop was solely created by Blacks with no influence from others, then you are totally delusional.  

If Hip-hop was only a "Black thing" as some of you suggest, then the culture would have never made its way out of the Bronx and reached all the places it has touched. Latinos played a crucial role in furthering the culture and that can't be understated one bit.  There is a generation of Latinos who have lived and breathed this hip-hop shit, and who are as passionate about this culture as anybody.  While the story of Latinos in hip-hop may have been under-told, and misrepresented by media; hip-hop came from the ghettos of NYC and whether you like it or not our stories will forever be intertwined.

All you knuckleheads need to stop bitching, and moaning about things that are not central to the argument.  Men lie, Women Lie, and the facts don't.  So stop your blood clot crying, because as much as you want to emphasize our differences, at the end of the day y'all dudes ain't no different than me.  We share the same bloodline, f**k the same bitches, have the same wants and desires, and share the same hope that one day we might be fully accepted in to the ranks of society.  

I'll leave you with some excerpts from an article by respected hip-hop actvist/media personality "Davey D" (a Black man), as he shares his take on the Latino influence in Hip-hop.

"Unfortunately, in many circles, large parts of the Latino community have been stereotyped as only being into dance, house and freestyle music and not rap. Even sadder is the fact that far too often folks overlook the pioneering role many Latino's in particular Puerto Ricans played in the evolution of Hip Hop. DJ Charlie Chase, Whipper Whip, Rocksteady Crew, TBB, Tony G are a few people and crews that immediately come to mind."

"OGs from the barrio have always listened to old school funk and soul. Hence he was not surprised to see the trend continue with Hip Hop. The sad part is that far too often this hasn't been openly spoken about and recognized. He also noted that outside factors in particular the music industry itself has done things in the area of marketing to create the illusion that Latinos and African Americans are somehow separate."    

Get educated & read the full article here: http://www.daveyd.com/articlelainsupport.html

December 1, 2009 4:29 PM
 

the_great_are_gone said:

everybody is hating on everybody nowadays... I can't wait for this bulls**t to stop. Plus white supremacists? Hold on there, as a white dude or "cracker" (where the f**k that word ever came from I don't know, prob. from crackers and cheese or some shit) I would like to distinguish between white people and americans cos though racism has not been rooted out from this world, racism is much less active in Europe, Australia or Canada than in the "almighty" US of A (in Borat voice, pun intended). I mean s**twhat's up with all the white americans over there still hating on black people goddamn (though to a much lesser extent than even 10 years ago). I mean there were some goddamn rednecks that didn't want Obama for president cos he was black and muslim and couldn't be trusted, but first of all he is half white and second of all he is christian lol, epic fail for the goddamn rednecks.

Furthermore, it's not just race... it's religion as well and even sexuality. GTFOH
December 1, 2009 4:36 PM
 

erikBnyc said:

Listen to PhredPhantom:

"As far as hip-hop goes, Rap can be traced back to Jamaica, from there further back to Africa. You realize that someone who raps, chants, and sings African spoken word or folk tales can do it over the same beat. They’re interchangeable and are the same art form that has just evolved over the years. This is not to say that Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Cubans weren't there, putting in their input. Though many were black, there are also many who weren’t. They came saw their friends doing something and said how about you try this. Though without their friends, their art may have moved forward. But make no mistake; it would not have been the same by any means. Now it is something that they both share and has become a part of both of them.  No one whose brain is working can ever deny that hip-hop is a black art form, but it could never have been the same without input from the Latin community. I think that's what trinnydwilliams was trying to say. Yo, let me know if I'm reading you wrong man.  None in that community have more claim to this point than Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Cubans of the Northeast. They and the African-American community have shown such great solidarity to the point where the rest of us should be ashamed."

Props goes out to PhredPhantom for providing a welcomed perspective to this debate.  As a Puerto Rican from NYC I share many of your thoughts and feelings on this matter, and I fully respect your view point.  Hopefully some of the other posters can take a cue from you.  I admire the fact that you are open minded enough to give recognition where it's due.  Many individuals are far too proud and insecure to allow themselves to utter a word of what you just said.  Much respect homie!  
December 1, 2009 4:46 PM
 

kuulski said:

@liquidswords95 - I never said hip hop was a fad homie...your not reading what I post...similar to you barely understanding spanish music but you critique it, judge it and try to marginalize something you dont even understand. Im guessing there are some rappers that you dont understand and they are speaking english. I understand dont worry it will all be ok :) ROFL.
December 1, 2009 5:25 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@kuulski

I'm way more intellectual than you, I promise you that. Not that it matters, but i have my MBA. If you don't know what that is, that's a Masters in Business Administration. You the type of person that try to insult people, but don't know what they is talking about. No disrespect, but you can't tell me nothing that i don't know about hip hop, you not part of the Originator's, you a wannabe.
December 1, 2009 5:38 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@kuulski

You just in Hip Hop for the money, i can tell by your comments. Talking about it's not selling and it's on ICU, they all false statements. If you don't like the way Hip Hop going, kick Rock, we won't miss you, i promise you that.
December 1, 2009 5:40 PM
 

harlem16 said:

@erikbnyc look obviously you havent  read any of my recent comments i have posted so i will get straight to the point like i have been trying to.This is not all about hip hop i m not denying the fact that latinos are part hip hop shit  i love joell ortiz i have both of the terror squad albums i have all of big puns albums so i have mad love for latinos but i would be lieing if i said vice versa thats just my experience. Are their some who get along with blacks sure there is i would be bias if i said other wise but were talking about culture differences among hispanic(mulatto's americans and AA) and i too have lived in the bronx(kingsbridge and around the southbronx) so i very familiar with hispanics and their culture. my mainpoint is that as much as you claim we are the same we greatly different also.for christ sake you cant even admit that hip hop is an american culture without saying how proud you are to be PUERTO RICAN  and even though puerto rico is in u.s territory and the citizens over there use u.s dollars most of yall consider it to be a seperate country because thats how much pride you have  and that rubs me the wrong way.   Let me ask you this do most of the citizens in puerto rico or the DR follow the same culture as blacks and hispanics, asians or even white americans for that matter the same way culture is  practice here in new york city or anywhere here in the united states and u can ask the same for domincan cubans mexicans etc and the answer is no because most of them dont some do but most DONT. they dont speak the same langauge some even  look different with the exception of the black ones and i admit some are just as black as myself and i mean david ortiz(boston red sox) black and i have no problem with that its a beautiful thing to see. But this is a fundemental difference between me as AA and you as a so called Hispanic, latino or puerto rican. See im a black american and PROUD OF IT and i love this country not for the same reason why a rich white kid who lives in the suburbs love it but because of the blood that was spilled from  my BLACK ANCESTORS to build this country that you and i live on and what blacks as well as other races continue to do for this country not discrediting anyone other race because we all do contribute and thats why AA culture is so unique and so influential let me ask you a couple of questions 1 if you were born in the bronx how the hell IS YOUR NATIONALITY PUERTO RICAN. you are american just as much as me. That all im saying. i always sense that hispanics feel as if they are turning their back on their culture if they refering to themselves as americans instead of cuban mexican puerto rican etc them  And if you are not black like me and you have the features of a fat joe big pun pitbull etc thats how we are different. all of those rappers are american but their culture stems from another nation and they also dont consider themselves black and to be honest with you most of yall dont but yet u use the term the white man gave you which is latino or hispanic which is not even a race. Big pun is from the bronx not puerto rico pitbull is from miami not cuba these are all americans whos culture might be puerto rican, cuban NOT THEIR RACE OR NATIONALITY. They speak perfect english just like me and you and they also talk spanish but if spanish was the only langauge they could talk would they be that popular in the hip hop industry maybe somebody to like you would be a fan of them but most american hip hop fans wouldnt be whether they be asian, black white arab maybe even latinos. You are right about one thing  we all are human beans who have the same wants and desires in life in which it was juvenile to even make that comment because thats a given. But as much as you claim we are the same would u say the same for an asian or white person. do you have to use the n word to let me know as a  black people  that you too struggle or live in the hood right next to me  because i hear that a lot  and its so foolish and sounds highly uneducated and to be honest thats how you sound homie  but at the end of the day culture and language makes us a human beans and also seperates us more than you think.
December 1, 2009 5:54 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:


@erikBnyc and Kuluski

YA'LL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE f**k YALL TALKING ABOUT..........SO KEEP YOUR DICKSUCKERS CLOSED...............HOW CAN YOU AS A LATINO PERSON.......TELL ME AS A BLACKMAN.........ABOUT MY OWN MUSICAL CULTURE..............LIKE I SAID GO BACK TO YOUR OWN MUSIC..........SALSA AND ALL THAT bulls**t...............f**k YA'LL LATINO NI99AS........SOMEONE LET YA'LL BE A PART OF OUR CULTURE..........AND YA'LL WANT TO TAKE OVER.........BUT YA'LL AIN'T RUNNING SHIT.........BUT REGGAETON AND SALSA........HIP HOP IS OURS.......KULUSKI YOU DON'T KNOW s**tABOUT OUR CULTURE.......SO TAKE YOUR ASS BACK TO LATIN AMERICA.......OR WHEREEVER YOU CAME FROM........HOE ASS NI99A
December 1, 2009 5:57 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

WE THE ORIGINAL MAN ANYWAY.........IF YOU WANT TO GET TECHNICAL ABOUT IT.........YOU CAN GET ANY COLOR FROM BLACK........BROWN CAME FROM BLACK..........SO ANYTHING THAT WAS GRAFTED........HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE EVIL.............EXAMPLE........YOU CAN TAKE A BLACK CRAYON AND CREATE ALL THE COLORS IN THE CRAYON BOX.........YOU CAN'T NO COLOR FROM WHITE.........IT'S COLORLESS.........IT'S NOT ORIGINAL..........LIKE I SAID MOST LATINO'S IS ORIGINAL PEOPLE........BECAUSE THEY CAME FROM THE BLACK SEED........BUT DON'T FORGET WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL MAN THOUGH..........THAT WOULD BE THE BLACKMAN..........THE FACTS IS THERE........LATINO'S CAN PLAY A PART IN HIP HOP........BUT YA'LL  BETTER RECOGNIZE.......HIP HOP IS OURS.......NOT YOURS
December 1, 2009 6:02 PM
 

erikBnyc said:

LMAOOO @ sharp_shooter.  I guess the twenty or so dots that seem to accompany every other word in your sentences are there just to let everyone how much you are actually thinking when you go in on these deeply profound diatribes, right? Pardon my sarcasm, but I'm not going to even entertain anything that you said in the above post.  You are like the drunk uneducated uncle at the Thanksgiving table who's trying to hold a conversation about nuclear physics.  

This topic is out of your league homie; so do yourself a favor and don't waste anymore brain cells trying to come up with a clever retort.  It's not worth your time and it's not fair to anybody else that happens to read these posts.  At least Harlem16 has half a brain, even though he seems to be using the wrong half.  You on the other hand sound as if you still read books with pictures in them.  DO YOURSELF A FAVOR & GO THAT WAY PLZ >>>>>>>>>>>

If that's not clear enough for you then let me speak in a language that you will understand.

C'MON SON................... GET THE f**k OUTTA HERE WITH THAT bulls**t!!!! ............................ ................................ ..................... ........................... ................................. ........................ ...................................................... ............................. .............................. .......................................
December 1, 2009 6:56 PM
 

harlem16 said:

with all due respect  you say im using the wrong half of my brain so tell me how brother. Im all ears
December 1, 2009 6:59 PM
 

harlem16 said:

@erikbnyc with all due respect you say im using the wrong half of my brain so tell me how brother since you seem to a yale degree in black culture and what the definition of culture and race is.
December 1, 2009 7:01 PM
 

kuulski said:

@Sharp_Shooter - You sound silly homie, I cant even read through the garbage you posted without  laughing. I keep trying to take your post serious but I just cant. I feel bad..kind of..let me go back and read your post again and if I find something that maybe an idiot can understand I will post back :)
Do you go to sleep with a Hip Hop book and mutter "Its all ours..its all ours..."  SMH.

December 1, 2009 7:07 PM
 

seandon said:

I use to live in Cali  and the thing that use to trip me out is alot of the mexicans in CA are racist as fuk. (i dont know how it is now cuz i dont live there nomore). Mexicans not all, but alot of them hate black ppl, but quick to use and steal the black mans music & swagger. Thats like me a blk man hating mexicans, but opening a mexican restaurant & having only blks run it.  Rock & Roll, Jazz, R&B and Yess muthaF****er HIP-HOP are all forms of Black Culture. We lost are culture and rebuilded it. From the diamonds of africa to Hip-Hop today mutherfu**ers been steal from us. Mexicans in CA want to hate the blk man, but pretend hip-hop and the whole lifestyle and swagger aint black. Im just saying repect the inventor.
December 1, 2009 7:14 PM
 

seandon said:

I use to live in Cali  and the thing that use to trip me out is alot of the mexicans in CA are racist as fuk. (i dont know how it is now cuz i dont live there nomore). Mexicans not all, but alot of them hate black ppl, but quick to use and steal the black mans music & swagger. Thats like me a blk man hating mexicans, but opening a mexican restaurant & having only blks run it.  Rock & Roll, Jazz, R&B and Yess muthaF****er HIP-HOP are all forms of Black Culture. We lost are culture and rebuilded it. From the diamonds of africa to Hip-Hop today mutherfu**ers been steal from us. Mexicans in CA want to hate the blk man, but pretend hip-hop and the whole lifestyle and swagger aint black. Im just saying repect the inventor.
December 1, 2009 7:15 PM
 

kuulski said:

@  liquidswords95 - How do you figure im in Hip Hop for the money? Just curious cause that kind of an assumption from a couple post shows your lack of inteligence..where did you get your MBA ? Seriously...lol.
To be in Hip Hop OR ANY MUSIC for money would defeat the purpose of doing MUSIC. Thats Music 101 did you miss that class Liquid?. You claim you as black men own Hip Hop? How can you own a art form Geniuses? lol. Lord these boyz need to get back on their meds asap. Or stop smoking them Sherm Sticks they be having u trippin Homez...lol :)
December 1, 2009 7:26 PM
 

harlem16 said:

@seandon good post thats exactly how i feel and im from the east coast in new york city and thats how some not all but hispanics act. they act like were brothers and sisters because we both live in the hood so that gives them a reason to do things like call n***as and for the hispanic women to hate on my sisters because some are darker than themselves. One time i was on the subway and the group of black girls got on from the way they were dressed i assumed they were either going to the club or coming from it. But there was a group of latinas sitting not to far from them all of a sudden the latinas started laughing at them among themselves looking at them up and down saying s**tlike i know that dark skin b***h is not wearing that she better go back home and  put something else on. see thats the way it is sometimes the hispanic women think because they are light skin and have long or curly hair they think they are better than blacks even the blacks that are just a light as them. i dont get this from  the blacks in their communities only the mulattos. And its not all but some do i would say more than less.
December 1, 2009 7:29 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@kuulski

Man shut the f**k up, You don't know anything and that's real. You dumb, saying Hip Hop ain't a Black Culture. I'm thru with you, because you have s**tfor Brains, so trying to talk some sense into you is just pointless. Hip Hop ain't yours, get over it, Scumbag.
December 1, 2009 7:57 PM
 

funkytechnician said:

If you have any knowledge of hip hop history you should know that hip hop is influenced and built by latino's as well as blacks. Many of the pioneering M.C.S and D.J.S are latino. They were there from the very beginning.
I'm was born and raised in Bklyn New York. The neighborhood were I'm from blacks and latino's lived side by side.We all share the same experience of being poor and struggling to make something out of a enviroment where black and latino men are expected to end up in prison or die at a young age.
The ignorance exhibited by many of the negative comment is a shame. Hip Hop is not a black thing, it is a innercity thing and the innercity consist of black and latino.
December 1, 2009 8:00 PM
 

funkytechnician said:

Hip Hop is ghetto music from the people of the ghetto. Ask hip hop founding fathers  Kool Herc or Afrika Bambataa they know the truth.
December 1, 2009 8:09 PM
 

harlem16 said:

@funkytechnician i agree that hip hop was orginated by people who were oppressed  but now its much more than that. its not about how much crack you can sell or how many guns you have its about uplifting everybody. Listen to the song classic that was produced by dj premier and listen to KRS 'S VERSE he told the truth about hip hop in one verse and he is one of the best EVER.
December 1, 2009 8:16 PM
 

erikBnyc said:

@harlem 16: Lol @ yale degree in black culture, that was cute.  I'll take that as a compliment even though you likely didn't mean it as one.  Let me clarify something for you.  My point is that you are trying to institutionalize race and make ascertations about myself and others with knowing all the facts.  I think you are totally entitled to your opinion even if I don't agree with a lot of it.  Just please don't try to paint everyone with one broad brush.  You can't have it both ways.  On one hand you say there are major differences between our people but in the same breath you make generalizations about Latinos to support your argument.  It doesn't add up fam.  

I don't claim to know your experience or your life story so please don't act like you know mines.  I think we can at least agree there.  It seems as though you made a lot of personal assumptions about me that are totally off base.  I for one am not ashamed of being an American, nor do I deny that hip-hop is an American culture.  I was born here in the U.S. and I am of Puerto Rican heritage.  My reasoning for saying that I was Puerto Rican was to differentiate my opinion from everyone else so that my view point can be understood more easily.  

Don't get it twisted, me and my family are proud to live in the U.S. and make a living here.  While there are some Puerto Ricans who game the system and abuse their citizenship, my family and I are not apart of that minority.  And please believe that for all the benefits that Puerto Ricans have received via their relationship with the U.S. (e.g. U.S. citizenship, military defense); the American government has stood to gain the most from this long running partnership.  The island of Puerto Rico is one of the most shining examples of modern day American imperialism that we have.  I mean how many shopping centers, restaurants, and Pharmacueticals can one small island have lmao?  If it wasn't for Puerto Rico's proximity to Cuba then you can be sure that the U.S. government wouldn't have nearly the interest level that they do there.  

And please don't take my comments for being anti-american, because I am far from that.  You as a black man should realize more than anybody that this country is not a perfect one.  But I am sure that you like myself would not want to live anywhere else. It is my right and duty as an American citizen to question the motives of my government when need be.  It doesn't make me less American to do so.  While I disagree with most of what you said, I am not in anyway putting you on trial so I would appreciate it if you didn't make it seem like you were trying to do so to me.  

I think I've made my stance as clear as possible.  If we agree to disagree then that's fine.  I'll still consider you my brother (even if you don't look at me the same way) and I'll still respect your opinion as long as you don't try to belittle me or use sensationalism to prove your point.  I personally think you are far too intelligent to use the few bad individual experiences that you've had with Latinos (e.g. your subway story) as the basis for your generalization of a whole community of people.  I have also had poor experiences with other races (blacks included), but I would never allow a few bad encounters to cloud my judgment the way it has seemingly clouded yours. But hey, that's just my opinion and I'm sure you see it much differently.

As I stated in a previous post, I can proudly say that I have never experienced the type animosity between black and brown that is prevalent in places like the west coast.  My experience growing up in New York has been very much defined by my relationships with blacks, through the camaraderie, and natural bond that we share.  While there are differences in our cultures (mostly language); we have many more similarities than we care to acknowledge.  

In New York, the Black and Latino experience is a singular one; since we are tied to many of the same economic and civil rights issues.  As far as I'm concerned, a victory for the black community is a victory for the Latino community, and vice versa.  But unfortunately not everyone is of the same mindset, and we as a people have allowed the influence of government and media to drive a wedge between our communities.  They have made it their protocol  to try and accentuate our differences and create dissent, because they realize that when we are united in our efforts we can achieve great things.  Look no further than the election of President Obama if you need evidence of what our people can do when we bond together for a worthy cause.      

With that being said, I respect everybody's opinion as long as it's an informed one, and I hope that we all do our part to end all the bulls**t negativity, and down right pettiness that we as a culture seem to always fall victim to.  While the conversations may have been heated, at least you have been civil and acted respectfully.  I'm not gonna beat a dead horse so this is likely the last that I will speak on this matter.  You can have the last word homie.
December 1, 2009 9:26 PM
 

West Coast 562 said:

@ kj24

shut yo mark ass up...  did i say that cali wasnt part of mexico? no i didnt.  i said that blacks were the first Native Americans you read a book.  hip hop is black yall got that acordian music
December 2, 2009 12:04 AM
 

West Coast 562 said:

and cuzz u talkin about the lowrider music... yall tryin to take that and act like its yours too.  yea all them oldies but goodies Art Leboe be playin... i know the bizness.  but all im sayin is hip hop is black culture... its coo that yall wanna participate in it but u didnt help start it. maybe puerto ricans... but not mexicans.  
December 2, 2009 12:19 AM
 

West Coast 562 said:

and cuzz u talkin about the lowrider music... yall tryin to take that and act like its yours too.  yea all them oldies but goodies Art Leboe be playin... i know the bizness.  but all im sayin is hip hop is black culture... its coo that yall wanna participate in it but u didnt help start it. maybe puerto ricans... but not mexicans.  
December 2, 2009 12:19 AM
 

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December 2, 2009 12:49 AM
 

seandon said:

@West Coast562
On the real, when i lived out there in CA alot of those mexicans were racist as fuk, just hate black ppl, but they ass turn around and want to embrace and copy the whole hip hop culture/black culture & Yes Hip Hop is BLk culture and everybody knows it. The ppl saying its not are the ones that hate to admit to themselves that they love something that is a part of a representation of the black lifestyle. Hip Hip is the window into the lifestyle and swag of black living (the good and the bad).   So much sh*t been stolen from BLK folks that ppl feel it's just the norm or its ok.  How the fuk you gonna hate a race of ppl, but imitate they music and swagger (thats on that elvis bulls#*t right there and alot of BLKs aint gonna let that sh*t ride, Fuk That.)  I just tell and share my experiences and like i said before, Give respect to the inventor & we'll be good.  
December 2, 2009 1:06 AM
 

seandon said:

Hip Hop music gives us a window into the neighborhoodz & life style of the BLACK CULTURE. That how we know how my black ppl from CA to Texas to NY get down.  
December 2, 2009 2:00 AM
 

harlem16 said:

@erikbnyc like i said its just my personal experience with latinos/hispanics(mulattos) and also i personally dont let past experiences cloud my judgment and as i mentioned before i have love for everybody including latinos. you mentioned that you never experienced the type of animosity between blacks and brown people that is prevelant in places  like the west coast. Well i dont mean to come off as negative  thats your experience homie and even though thats a positive thing i still in all my day of being of being a native of NYC have not seen the latino population MAKE AN EFFORT TO invite black americans into their culture at the rate that we invite your people into my culture regardless if their are similarities. Name any hispanic or anybody else who is non black for that matter who is politician or socialist here in nyc or anywhere in this country  that has lent a helping hand out to the black community.  See from my opinion i think people view New York as this place where all the races of people live and get along with one another. And to me its suppose to be that way but only To the naked eye does the environment  seem enticing but in all actuality if you look at the dynamics of our city it is very segregated and self segregated at that and the reason for this is because people want to be around people who are similar to them culturally wise and people who plan to move here will quickly find this out. (e.g harlem, Flatbush, east new york brownsville, bedstuy, jamaica queens and other parts of queens and the bronx(east chester white plains road & gunhill road some parts of the south bronx  right now are filled with mostly the black popualtion, washington heights, bushwick bk, Lower east side and certain parts of the bronx and queens are flooded with your population of hispanics from 110th street in harlem all the way to wall street and filled with caucasians and etc.  After being born here in nyc i traveled around the country and i understand that a lot of people from the north especially here in NYC generalize the south as being racist and segregated but if you ever traveled anywhere in the south you will be quick to learn that most of the middle class neighborhoods as well as jobs are quite diverse it might not be a lot of asians, hispanics or other races of people that you might find here in NYC but for the most part there is unity between blacks,whites and hispanics and any other race that resides there. See the point im trying to make is that from my experience if there were more similarities among AA and hispanic americans why is most of NYC SELF SEGREGATED. and like i said  before this  is by choice and  this is why so many people migrate to places like NYC OR WHY IMMIGRANTS COME TO THIS COUNTRY ASIDE FROM BEING granted  BETTER OPPORTUNITies. im not sure if sure if you watched the CNN DOCUMENTARY LATINO IN AMERICA but  i watched it and it was pretty good but this one story mirrors what me and you are debating about. There was a married hispanic couple who was living in north carolina who were originally from washington heights they moved to north carolina because the cost of living was cheaper.The eventually started a family and brought to sons into the world. The sons eventually got older and started to interact with the people at school and the kids in their  neighborhood and because most of the kids were black and white the picked up on the culture of the two races. Because the parents of the boys were hispanic they tried to teach the kids to speak spanish and eat spanish dishes but the kids we not interested and the reason for this is because the kids already had their own identity and way of doing things. The parents were now second guessing if they should have raised the kids in north carolina and all in the end they admitted that they wish they could have raised  their kids in NYC(Washington Heights) so they could have been more familiar with their culture(which in the parents eyes was being dominican) but to me it the boys were not the ones having an problem with their identity it was the parents having a problem that the kids were not practicing the dominican culture versus the american culture. Eventually the family took a trip back to new york  and to get the boys more FAMILIAR with what they said was their culture. Now the point im trying to make is that most people want to either be around somebody who holds the same values and practices the same culture. Now i commend you that you share mostly good experiences with AA    and also i dont generalize your community if you feel i did i apologize out of respect.
December 2, 2009 2:15 AM
 

harlem16 said:

disregard the last two sentences. i was saying that you say that we share similarities and i agree with you but like i said we also have differences and thats why people might seperate themselves because they they are in a comfort zone around their own race of people.  I can tell you as BLACK PERSON that most blacks who do interact with hispanics dont interact with them because of the hispanic culture that derives from the latin countries they interact with the hispanics who mimic the black american culture. So if u listening to reggae ton and salsa music and eat beans and rice and barley talk english 9 times out of ten were not going to f**k with you. So the hispanics who are americans are mostly the ones who we interact with. Look homie this is my last comment and i too will not beat a dead horse. i respect you opinions and thoughts but just because your experiences with blacks are positive doesnt mean that my experiences with hispanics are going to be positive.
December 2, 2009 2:29 AM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@erikbnyc @harlem16

In general there you both are right. But understand this, I my self have seen it on both sides. Growning up in my area there werent many Dominican people my fam might have be one of the only ones in my school zone there was others but not many. either way from grammer school to high school and even now when peopl first meet me they think Im just a light skinned black dude, Including hispanics Ive heard racism towards latinos from black people and heard racism towards black from latino. NO side is innocent in these matters.

Harlem I agree that many aspects of American culture come from African American people nobody can argue that. Also this is an English speaking country culture from countries that dont speak english aren't really embraced like that here. Whether it be Latin, asian and european cultures (with the exception of fashion)

but you guy in NY you cant say you have never seen us get along or seen a Black chick at a Dominican salon or a Dominican chick at a Black one.

The MAJOR difference from our people is LOGISTICS.

African Americans have been here longer than us in this country. NOw in latino's case Aside from some PR and MExicans many latinos in this country are First Generation here and are yet to be intergrated in american culture. PR people in NYC while many are first Gen alot are second gen born in the US. Thats not the case with many other groups of hispanics. Hence their and that pride exist the parents bring it, and also they are not wrong for doing so its good to recognize where your roots are from. identification isnt lost yet in maybe 50 years when most latin americans are in there 3 n 4th  gen in this country things will be different.

Never understood the supiriority complex that some of us have in NYC because at the end of the day Both Black and Hispanics in NYC and In NJ were im from Newark to be exact, are in the same neighborhoods and that isnt just cooincidence. PPl argue about the civil rights times and how latins were'nt there alongside black in reallity check the population of non mexican latinos in the US during those times many of us werent here. While i wont argue that some of us wont care but many of us identify. during the sergration period latinos werent allowed to do any thing that blacks werent also.

Now i wont speak for the West because the Mexican situation was very different. PPl tend to forget that Basically the entire southwest was mexico until the US went and slaughtered those ppl. In reality Mexicans ans Native Americans have very similar bloodlines and the MExican claim to the country is some wat understandable. But to be honest Mexican over ther from wat i hear are also racist to other kinds of latinos. Not all of them arelike that but i heard many storis from ppl who experiienced it and my Aunt lived in LA for a while and she is a dark skinned lation she went through it over there.

At the end of it all Latinos have a Common bond with African Americans and that is the African Roots. Some of ushave it more than others but we have it. The same genocide occured in our ancestors countries that occured here. And the white slave owners raped Aficans in the US and in Latin America.  Hence why some African Americans do have Slave trade blood in them too. We are a common ppl separated by language and logistics.. Remeber if it was the english and not the spanish that colonized places like Cuba DR and PR we would just be west indians...

But make no excuse it isnt a coincidence that our ppl are in the same neighborhoods. Hence why in hip hop i say why predominantly Black we also helped create it and the oriinators like Bambatta and Herc will tell you the same. I cant say that Hip hop would be different or the same with out us because no 1 knows that... But i take pride in hip hop culture as it is wat made me who I am. So watever you want to call it it is my culutre too. Culture is carried along by people in the area where those things occured me culture is logistic culture area based. No one can argue that. The culture of Black People in NYC is Different than Some of the Culture in the South. As with the culure of ppl form PR is different than the culure in Cuba or DR differnt places. BUT a mix of cultures and influces is wat makes NY culture and AMerican culture and Hip Hop is no different than that.

I will ad this i totaly understand why some ppl are insulted by use of the N word. But the word truly has been taken and given 2 purposes the White man version and the Version that Blacks embraced. I do watch how i talk around certin ppl as we all should but I really feel any person offended by the word shouldnt use it them selves. I cant speak for every culture or every Latin person i speak for my self... The police dont treat me any diff when the find out i speak spanish... They treat me as a spanish speaking Niqqa.

We should stop arguing differences and begin embracing our similarities because in 100 years the concept of race will be out the window more and more ppl are mixing and eventually every one will be part something. Also Blacks and Latins are QUICKLY becoming the Majority in this country, I my self and hope to walk side by side with my people on both sides... I look at AA as cousins to my ancestors any one who seen my family tree will tell you the same.

December 2, 2009 9:22 AM
 

KJ24 said:

liquidswords95 said:
This should settle it. When Eminem was coming in Hip Hop, they said he is a white guy doing a Black Artform. They didn't say a Black and Latino Artform, so that statement itself proves it's a Black Artform. I don't see how people think they can come in and takeover someone else Music Culture. Latino Music Culture is Salsa and Reggaeton, even Spanish Rap, but Hip Hop belong to the Blacks. How many relevant Latino Hip Hop Artist is it today? None. Big Pun was the biggest Latino Artist to date, and he rapped in English not Spanish.

___________________

You got it all twisted homie. Its not a black and brown artform because we both are making that genre of music, its called a black latino thing because it was CREATED by both blacks and latinos, together. Browns were there alongside blacks when it was created..
December 2, 2009 1:13 PM
 

PhredPhantom said:

I still think that some people have a problem accepting that hip-hop is a black art form that the Hispanic community, mainly Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Cubans helped influenced to make it what it is today. This article is worded in such a way that it is attacking one group of people, rather than trying to bring two sides together. I don't care what no one says, no one can come at this article with an open mind how it's worded. The fact that everyone is dug in on each side of the fence proves my point.

The main points of hip-hop:

Rap:  
The griots of West Africa are a group of traveling singers and poets who are part of an oral tradition dating back hundreds of years. Their vocal style is similar to that of rappers. The African-American traditions of signifyin', the dozens, and jazz poetry are all descended from the griots. In addition, musical 'comedy' acts such as Rudy Ray Moore and Blowfly, are considered by some to be the forefathers of rap.

Mix that with a heavy influence of Jamaican music and singing styles and you have what you see today.

B-Boying:
B-Boying the ground game, and dance arts of hip-hop couldn't exist without.

Capoeira a Brazilian martial art, also known as Capoeira Regional and Capoeira Angola. It is a mix of multiple African martial arts and dance forms, which Brazilian slaves from different parts of Africa fuse together to escape bondage. Afro Brazilian dance troops constantly toured Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn showing off their skills in martial arts and additional African dance. They also displayed Afro Brazilian dance is like Samba.

Salsa is a syncretic dance genre created by Spanish-speaking people from the Caribbean. Salsa dancing mixes African and European dance influences through the music and dance fusions that are the roots of Salsa which is from Cuba. (See I told you this article is nothing but trouble. Black and brown been working together for years, long before hip-hop came around.)

Danza the Puerto Rican national anthem once used his dance but not anymore.

Kung fu movies are also an influence mainly in pop and locking movements. Everyone knows that, even to this day have imagined love watching people get beat up by kung fu and other martial arts.

Funk dance styles. This is a heavy influence in hip-hop dance. To be brutally honest locking, popping and electric boogaloo are styles that hip-hop borrowed from Funk. Yet many of the old dances from the 70s people were pop locking and stuff back then. Look at the Jackson five and dance machine in the first one to do those moves. Those moving around since the 60s, some of them are variations of earlier moves.

Graffiti written art form everyone participated in this one. Because everyone borrowed styles from everywhere else. Believe it or not, sometimes kids would get ideas and help crafting ideas from their teachers. Anyone remember in the 70s and 80s how trains looked. You couldn’t go nowhere without seeing some spray paint or some kind of mark on. You know how happy people got when a new train was brought into the train yard.

Though the blueprint of hip hop was already made and being use, it would not be what it is today without the influence of our Latin brothers and sisters. The African-American, Puerto Rican, Dominican and Cuban communities work together to bring a new art form forward into the mainstream. Together, we worked it when no one else wanted a part of it. That doesn't mean that other communities can't join.

We should be working on ways to better the communities rather, than pointing fingers at each other. That is something this article fails to do.
December 2, 2009 1:32 PM
 

trinnydwilliams said:

@ PhredPhantom

Thank You thats basically what Ive been saying..

That is wat makes hip hop so special because in its essence it draws from Many cultures. Let alone not metion that samples came from ,music from all over the world... Like i sad before a ppl with somany similarities need to embrace that insted of  pointing out differences.
December 2, 2009 1:50 PM
 

PhredPhantom said:

@ trinnydwilliams

Yeah, you been one of the few that came with the message, that we have to many things in common to be so focused on our differences. Most everyone else is just fighting with each other.
December 2, 2009 2:17 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT : SHARPSHOOTER DA RETARD AND LIQUIDHOE ARE MC'S THAT CALL THEMSELVES DJ NEIL AND MC BOB, THEY DEBUT SINGLE IS CALLED "KNEEL AND BOB" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
December 2, 2009 4:38 PM
 

stopcrying said:

HARLEM16 GOT MOLESTED BY PAPI IN NY DATS WHY HE MAD AT THEM LATINOS BEING PROUD HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
December 2, 2009 4:40 PM
 

BROWNLOCO said:

THE AZTECS HAD A GOD OF RYTHM AND POETRY......SERIO AND f**k CALLE 13 AND ANYBODY MAKIN REGGAETONE THAT s**tIS WORSE THAN  COUNTRY.....SOY CHICANO AND THE N-WORD NEVER COME OUT OF A HOMIES MOUTH EVEN OTHER HOMIES THATS CHICANO AND REALLY RESPECTIN THE RAZA AND THE BLACK RACE AT THE SAME TIME, s**tEVEN IF A BLACK HOMITO AROUND THAT JUS AINT OUR SHIT........SAME AS IF A BLACK HOMIE SAY ESE HE GUNNA GET SMASHED JUS LIKE IF WE SAY THE N-WORD I  WOULD ASSUME AT LEAST......PUERTO RICANS BE TRYIN TO HARD TO BE BLACK THEY GOT A STR8 UP CULTURA IDENTITY CRISIS AND f**k THE TERM LATINO CUZ I WE AINT FROM NO LATIN COUNTRY AND THE CULTURES IS WAY TOO DIFFERENT TO BE PUT TOGETHER IN ONE CATEGORY THATS A WHITE WAY OF PUTTIN THE ANIMALS IN ONE PEN..........
BROWN PR1D3 BLACK LOVE- 2PAC
December 3, 2009 1:11 AM
 

kingeazelocc said:

fucc da whitemen

us brown n blacc gotta sticc together

hip hop iz urz
December 3, 2009 3:20 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@stopcrying

Your name says it all, so stop crying like a b***h, but you is a b***h, so that would be impossible.
December 3, 2009 10:30 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@KJ24

Naw, you got the game twisted homie. I know hip hop is a black Artform, I don't care what any of you say. Hip Hop is a Blackman creation. Mexicans don't really have any claim to hip hop, ya'll make Spanish Rap. Latino's can make hip hop music, but it's not ya'll musical culture and that's a fact. Even Allhiphop say all Black everything, that's proof enough.
December 3, 2009 10:36 AM
 

JerseyDog said:

You bunch of computer tough guys don't know s**tabout the streets.  Real recognize real, no matter what color your skin.  

Latins been down since day 1.  Know your f**kin history before you get on here making an ass out of yourselves.

haters been tryin to divide lines for the longest but it wont work tho.  You wanna see how strong Latins and Blacks are when we get together?  click on the link bitches..

JERSEY CITY ANTHEM Block Royal
December 3, 2009 12:59 PM
 

stopcrying said:

LIQUID U A HOE, U AND YA MAN SHARP HOMO HAHAHAHAHAHA
December 3, 2009 5:10 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@stopcrying

Niggah i don't even know you, take my d**k out your mouth, you piece of shit. What is you some type of Stalker or something. Tell the people why you mad?  Go somewhere Groupie ass Niggah.
December 3, 2009 7:51 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: LIQUIDFAG PALMS NONSHOOTERS BALLS AT NITE
December 3, 2009 8:31 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: LIQUIDDIRTBALL IS MAD THAT THE WHITE DEVIL EMINEM OUTSELLS HIS FAVORITE RAPPER
December 3, 2009 8:32 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: DIRTBALLSWORDS IS THE ORIGINAL MANFAG
December 3, 2009 8:33 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

Fact: Stopcrying is b***h
Fact: Stopcrying is my groupie
Fact: Stopcrying is a dickriding f***ot


Now take your dirty ass somewhere, You Piece of Shit.
December 4, 2009 12:18 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: ME AND LIQUIDSLUTS GIRL HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON
December 4, 2009 4:44 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

Fact: Stopcrying need to stop lying on his d**k
Fact: Stopcrying need to hop off my d**k
December 4, 2009 4:47 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: LIQUIDJIZZ LOOKS LIKE HE EATING A LEMON IN HIS AVI
December 4, 2009 4:57 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@STOPSUCKINGDICK

FACT: THIS NI99A IS A HOBO
FACT: THIS NI99A USES THE COMPUTER AT THE LIBRARY CAUSE HE CAN'T AFFORD HIS OWN

FACT: THIS NI99A ALL ON OTHER MEN DICKS.....THAT'S SO GAY......BUT THAT STOPSUCKINGDICK THOUGH

FACT: THIS NI99A HAS NO LIFE
December 4, 2009 5:06 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@Stopridingdick

Fact: Stopridingdick look like Flavor Flav, that's why he won't put up his pic, he know everyone is going to clown on him.

Fact: Stopriding d**k hasn't had p***y, since p***y had him.
December 4, 2009 5:18 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@Stopridingdick

Nobody know's you. Messing with me, you in over your head homie. Man Get Lost, Kick Rocks. I let Sharp Shooter continue to humiliate you, I'm not fussing with a no name fag, You a Bench Player Niggah, You don't get no play.
December 4, 2009 5:43 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER COMES OUT OF HIDING AFTER BEING SCORCHED WHEN HIS BOYFRIEND IS AROUND

FACT: LIQUIDFART LOOKS BLOATED  
December 4, 2009 6:09 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTERS MOM HO NAME IS SCALLYWAG


FACT: LIQUIDFARTS ENJOYS WATCHING SUNSETS AND HOLDING HANDS WIT NONSHOOTER
December 4, 2009 6:12 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: I SMACKED LIQUIDFARTS SEEDS AT THE MALL THE OVA DAY

December 4, 2009 6:13 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER BRAIDS HAIR IN JAIL
December 4, 2009 6:14 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: LIQUIDFARTS PERIOD IS YEAR ROUND DATS WHY HE BLOATED
December 4, 2009 6:18 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: LIQUIDFARTS SON SCREEN NAME IS HERSHEYSQUIRTS
December 4, 2009 6:21 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTERS LIL SISTER A GOOD EARNER
December 4, 2009 6:23 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: LIQUIDFARTS WIFE SWALLOWED MY SEED THE OVA DAY
December 4, 2009 6:24 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER IS MY GARDNER
December 4, 2009 6:26 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: IF LIQUIDFARTS USES BEANO, DER WILL BE NO BLOATING
December 4, 2009 6:28 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@STOPSUCKINGDICK

NI99A YOU PATHETIC......YOU SITTING HERE TYPING TO YOURSELF.....WHAT A RETARD.........LOL

FACT: ME AND LIQUIDSWORDS TAKE TURNS FUCKING STOPSUCKINGDICK MOTHER

FACT: STOPRIDINGDICK MOTHER SWALLOW OUR SEEDS ON A DAILY
FACT: STOPRIDINGDICK FREQUENTS GAY SITES ON A DAILY
FACT: WHEN HE LEAVE THIS SITE.....HE WILL GO TO A WEBSITE TO HOOKUP WITH OTHER GAYS

FACT: STOPRIDINGDICK GAY LOVER  BABYNIGGA GIVES HIM A DIRTY SANCHEZ

FACT: STOPRIDING d**k VOTED YES FOR GAY MARRIAGE.....SO HIM AND HIS LOVER CAN LIVE TOGETHER IN HARMONY
December 4, 2009 6:32 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER ONCE AGAIN STOLE MY SWAGGA AND REPACKAGED MY JOKES
December 4, 2009 6:35 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER IS MAD CAUSE PAPI N EM CAN RHYME BETTER THAN HIS FAVORITE RAPPER
December 4, 2009 6:36 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FALSE: NONSHOOTER GETS MONEY
December 4, 2009 6:37 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

FACT: STOPRIDINGDICK SISTER KEEP MY d**k IN HER MOUTH

FACT: STOPRIDING d**k FATHER IS A FAG, THAT GOT HIS MOTHER PREGNANT MY MISTAKE

FACT: STOPRIDINGDICK PARENTS IS SO DISAPPOINTED IN HIM...HE'S SUCH A LOSER

FACT: STOPRIDINGDICK DRINK CUM LIKE IT'S WATER


I'M THRU WITH YOU HOE.......I BURIED YOU.....R.I.P. TO STOPRIDINGDICK...... THE DATE OF DEATH DEC 4TH, 6:38 PM
December 4, 2009 6:38 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FALSE: NONSHOOTER WINS
December 4, 2009 6:40 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER CLAIMS VICTORY EVEN IN DEFEAT
December 4, 2009 6:41 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

ONE MORE FOR THE ROAD

FACT: STOPRIDINGDICK SUCKS ON MAN BALLS

FACT: I FUCKED HIS GIRL IN HIS BED LAST NIGHT.....WHILE HE SLEPT ON THE COUCH

FACT: I SMACKED HIS FATHER AND FUCKED HIS MOMS IN FRONT OF STOPRIDINGDICK

FACT: STOPRIDINGDICK SISTER WORSHIP MY d**k....SHE STAY ON HER KNEES......BUT SHE AIN'T THERE TO PRAY

FACT: STOPRIDINGDICK IS SO UGLY...WHOPPI GOLDBERG EVEN SAYS HE IS A UGLY MUTHAFUCKA
December 4, 2009 6:43 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FALSE: LIQUIDFARTS HAS A HAPPY HOME, HIS WIFE DO NOT SELL CHEEKS FOR DOLLAS
December 4, 2009 6:44 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER JOB REQUIRE NO SHIRT AND A BOWTIE
December 4, 2009 6:46 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

GIVE IT UP STOPRIDINGDICK.....LOOK AT THE STUFF I SAID....THEN LOOK AT YOURS........YOU A LOSER IN EVERY ASPECT NI99A.......COMPARING ME TO YOU.......IS LIKE A BENTLEY TO A PINTO......I'M THE BENTLEY......THEY DON'T EVEN MAKE YOUR KIND NO MORE......I TOLD YOU......YOU WASN'T READY FOR THE BIG DOG.....BUT I HAD TO SHOW YOU......NOW YOUR FEELINGS HURT........STOP CRYING HOE ASS NI99A

STOPCRYING= HOE ASS NI99A THAT RIDE DICKS
December 4, 2009 6:47 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER IS DELUSIONAL
December 4, 2009 6:59 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER DID NOT ACHIEVE IN SCHOOL
December 4, 2009 7:01 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER THE TYPE OF CAT THAT GETS STOLE ON AND GOES AROUND TELLIN EVERYBODY HE CATCH BODIES
December 4, 2009 7:04 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER AND ME KNOW WHATS REALLY GOIN ON
December 4, 2009 7:05 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

@STOPRIDINGDICK

YOU RIGHT WE DO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON......WE BOTH KNOW THAT YOU IS A FAG, THAT DRINK CUM FOR A LIVING
December 4, 2009 7:55 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: NONSHOOTER CONFUSES HIS MOTHERS OCCUPATION ALL THE TIME
December 4, 2009 8:18 PM
 

seandon said:

There was alot of  real intellegent talk on here, till stopcrying retarded azz started talking. Go read the cat in the hat and learn something you dumb crying b***h. If your 13yrs old or something then its just your age, but if your older than that your a fuking retard. Please everybody, if your a parent plz educate your kids. Way to many dumb fucks like stopcrying stupid azz running around.
December 4, 2009 8:36 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: SEANDON WAS MOLESTED BY PLEASURE P
December 4, 2009 8:40 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: SEANDON CRIED WHEN LIL BOOSIE WENT TO JAIL
December 4, 2009 8:41 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: SEANDON INSISTS ON EDUCATION AND DOESNT KNOW HOW TO SPELL
December 4, 2009 8:43 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FACT: SEANDON IS THE PRESIDENT OF MY FAN CLUB
December 4, 2009 8:46 PM
 

stopcrying said:

FALSE:  

seandon said:
There was alot of  real intellegent talk on here, till stopcrying retarded azz started talking.

FACT: LIQUIDFARTS AND NONSHOOTER WERE BEING IGNANT WAY BEFORE I ARRIVED, IN FACT THEY INGNORANCE IS WHY I'M HERE
December 4, 2009 8:51 PM
 

Sharp_Shooter said:

EVERYBODY CAN SEE STOPSUKCINGDICK IS A IGNORANT STUPID SON OF A b***h.....SO TAKE YOUR NO HIP HOP KNOWING ASS SOMEWHERE....YOU'S A NOBODY....EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT.....PEOPLE COMING OUT OF NOWHERE....TALKING s**tABOUT YOU
December 5, 2009 9:00 AM
 

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