VP Debate Ignores Poverty and Underclass

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LegendarynightS — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:21:06 GMT

Well said and exactly right... but to the candidates credit a focus on the middle class may help to keep and bring others out of poverty...but non the less this commentary is right on the money...

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NightFall914 — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:27:23 GMT

Perfectly said

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aaxnapalm1 — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:33:25 GMT

You hit the nail on the head that the "lower class" aren't the ones that are going to vote. Or at least that's the perception. Also lower class and working class has such negative connotations. When people start mentioning lower class and brown skin people think of folks that abuse the welfare system which is a sure fire way NOT to get votes. I do believe there are more white people on welfare than Black people but the perception is that the black/brown folks are the ones being a burden on society. Also I think the definition of of middle class is erroneous. The middle class should be defined by those households within one standard deviation of the median american household income. The median's some where around 45k and the standard deviation is like 21k or something. My point is this the candidates are calling folks making 250k "middle class" now as someone who grew up in poverty. Where i'm from we call that rich! But the candidates have to be rational and not necessarily right. Rational says do what you gotta do to get elected. And sadly that means overlooking the poor.

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WayneDash — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:37:53 GMT

I was thinking the same thing while watching the debate... They kept referring to families making less than $250,000 per year. .

So is $200k per year considered middle class?

Damn. . I need a new job

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Imlegend — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:07:44 GMT

Well it truely won't matter anymore after the 850 billion dollar bill was passed. Pay attention people please, notice that the FED still have the authority to do whatever. The original bill was 3 pages long and the congress barely could tell you how it was going to help the economy. Now it's over 400 pages long and the President signs it in less than a half an hour. They keep advertising it as 700 billion and in 2 days they added 150 billion more. No to mention California is looking to get bailed out. The gov't always talks about the poor but rarely does anything about it. Today the Gov't has just gangsta'd the US public,and moved officially closer to a new world order. For anyone who thought we as citizens had a voice you have just witnessed with your own eyes that you don't. Congress half the time doesn't know what it's signing and Bush signed this way too quickly. I could of swore that the congress said they were going to look out for the people so they don't get screwed over. Poor people never mattered to this country except for slavery and cheap labor to build up this country. I truely hope I'm wrong but we'll see. We all need to pray

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GawgaBwoy770 — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:08:39 GMT

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Imlegend — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:38:17 GMT

They won't mention the poor cause it's not to their benefit unless it's false promises to get elected. Money talks and BS walks. Why are law makers look out for our best interest, because we pay their salary? They stuff there pockets with lobbyist money the only reason why they partially care what we think is to stay in office so they can keep getting lobbyist money. Funny how everyone keeps name dropping and telling stories about poor people like they know these people. If your playing chess when have you seen someone move the king or the queen first? The point is the poor are a buffer for the elite or pawns in the game. Notice who is not spending their money to bail themselves out and who is.

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sillyme — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:23:11 GMT

Y'all act like Obama and McCain been addressing the issues pertaining to poverty and the underclassed..I do agree it should be discussed more but why hold them to a certain standard when the primary candidates aren't really discussing them..Obama in my opinion really avoids discussing people in poverty and when he does it's fix your own problems..McCain lies and sounds fake as hell addressing the issues..This article should've been done on McCain and Obama and i've been stating for months that they are avoiding us and our people..They group us all into the middle class..That's the only time i've heard Obama speak positively about doing something for us..Any other time we're grouped with the under 250k group...As far as i've always known there is a low class, middle class, high middle class and so on..But it's not just a Biden/Palin problem none of the candidates are addressing us..
October 3, 2008 4:08 PM

I think people dont understand that OBAMA can't say certain things. If come off to Iam for the PEOPLE, he will loose the WHITE VOTES that support him. Only few nigga's support Obama, to the rest he's not enough NIGGER. The media is trying to brainwash WHITE AMERICA that OBAMA is winning because of a MINORITY VOTE. OBAMA is a smart MAN he knows the reason why he's really winning is because of his support from middle class WHITE AMERICA.

He can't show his whole hand. I do believe he will try to make change once in office, but he can't really go in full detail. A, if he do so McCain (as you can already see) will copy and compete with his tatics. B, he might turn the media against him. He has to do more than what he say...IMO...I dont think OBAMA is the pefect savoiur and messiah of our race, but he will do as good of job as BILL CLINTON, who did make change when he was in office.

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drewhood — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:53:31 GMT

you have the democrats who talk about the middle class, i believe they are talking about everyone under 250K a year, I believe someone makin 20- 25k a year is middle class. So everybody under 250k is gettin tax relief. then you have the republicans who have actually never said the word middleclass. When u listen to the democrats they talk about people strugglin to fill up there tank and put food on the table. so at least there talkin about people stugglin. bottom line is if u make under 250 a year your taxes are goin down

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JohnMccain4Prez — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:03:22 GMT

I think you all just like Obama cuz he's black not for what he stands for, if he were white you would'nt care so much about who is running for president in my opinion you all would be too lazy to even vote... with that said the police have already found three men attempting to assasin Barack Obama and I'm sure there are plenty of crazy white suprmicists out there plotting that exact same plan, so if he wins I doubt he will last as President I hope no one kills him but get real people he's a black man running for president, unfortunatly I'm sure his time wont last.

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JohnMccain4Prez — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:03:22 GMT

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GawgaBwoy770 — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:09:59 GMT

@ sillyme

I'm not going to go to far in depth but go do your research on Clinton before you go and start praising him..He brought drugs and guns to our communities with the help of the CIA..We don't need those kind of changes..That's why I tell people to pay attention to who's connected to who..Clinton has always had ties with the Bush/CIA family and that's who he's always looked out for..

As for McCain using certain things against Obama how can he when he's making the promises that Obama isn't? We need to be more careful of how we read into things..As i've said i'm not for either one of them and i've already said why..We're getting gamed on all sides and Obama is not our savoiur or messiah..We are putting too much into a mixed kid that was raised in Hawaii and Indonesia that don't really fully understand the struggles of our people..He's never lived among us so how can he fully understand the average black person..Stop feeding into things and judge him based off of what he's saying..Some of y'all sound like obsessed Michael Jackson fans or something...Let his words+actions determine how you view him and not your faith..

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drewhood — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:15:51 GMT

I wouldnt care if john mccain was the blackest mothafucka in the world I still wouldnt vote for him because hes a REPUBLICAN.

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GawgaBwoy770 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:34:42 GMT

@ drewhood

That's how they want you to think though pimpin..That's why the powers that be control both parties..If you keep your mind stuck on voting Democrat because you don't trust Republican how can you ever go at the people or entity that's controlling both parties? You won't..It's deeper than some bullshit parties cuzzo..It ain't about that bullshit because when Clinton beat Bush it didn't really matter because they were both tied together..

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drewhood — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:11:10 GMT

@gawga

homey in what way are john mclain and barack obama linked?

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GawgaBwoy770 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:52:37 GMT

George Bush and Dick Cheney..Both of them are Barack's cousin, which ain't a coincidence regardless of what everyone wants to believe and of course both of those guys will still continue to hold power in the Republican party..I'm no conspiracy theory guy but of all the black guys in the world the one that's running for President had to be connected to both the President and Vice President..I would have a better chance of winning a lottery in China with the 2 or 3 billion people they have over there..

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Imlegend — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:49:58 GMT

The man who was in charge of Fannie May and Freddie Mac under the Clinton Administration made off with 90 million dollars in 5 yrs. Barney Frank in 2003 said basically the lending practices of Fannie and Freddie were good and should give loans out to people who can't afford it, 5 years later look at where we're at. GawgaBwoy770 is right. Think people. There is an agenda and it really doesn't matter who carries it out. If the democrats and republican really had your best interest in mind I doubt they would of passed that bill. The democrats were the ones who signed the both versions of the bill. So don't be fooled. They used the shock doctrine, and scare tactics to pass unpopular things.

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NJRebel — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:44:39 GMT

no matter who we get in there elected people need to realise that they have to take responsibility on their own, no politician is gonna do everything for you

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Akaneon1 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:11:24 GMT

"The real tragedy of the poor is the poverty of their aspirations. "

The reason "the man" or "the government" is keeping you poor is because you think they owe you or something.

It's funny how the person writing this mainstream media article isn't working class or homeless either. I wonder why that is?

So then why in turn try to support something in writing that you oppose in action, i.e. sitting on your ass panhandling instead of getting a job?

Fuck the homeless, they choose to be homeless. The average panhandler can net $20-40 an hour in a good hour, maybe more. Would you work at McDonalds for minimum wage when you could be making bank panhandling, selling drugs, or collecting welfare? That's not racism either - There are people like this of all races, genders, sexes, etc. who don't wanna work, so they choose to panhandle.

Furthermore, to infer that the working class naturally should vote Democratic...

What for? What have they ever done for you?

Take a look at this:

* 90% of education assistance programs for working class citizens in the past 15 years

* 70% of benefits programs for disabled, working class, etc. in the past 20 years

* 72% of public housing funding bills and proposals in the past 15 years

* 75% of miscellaneous other bills aimed at helping the working class in the past 20 years

* 81% of bills which reduced taxation for and/or created credits for working class families in the past 20 years

were created by Republicans.

The only reason that these people DON'T vote Republican is because of fear of alienation. They want to be accepted, so they vote Democrat. They don't care about actual issues so much as being part of the crowd - they're the same kids who buy all of these dance records pretending to be rap albums.

So in turn the Republican party becomes a racist, biased organization, only for whites, and the Democratic party becomes the champion, even though the Democratic party is the ones who are selling you off in the long run, much like how Africans originally sold their brothers and sisters into slavery.

Bottom line is this:

"A bad system ran by Blacks is the same thing as a bad system run by Whites" - Kareem Said, Oz (Eamonn Walker)

Don't vote based on race, vote on the only thing that counts which is WHAT YOU WILL GET OUT OF THE DEAL.

Not your mother, not your sister, not the homeless people.

Put all that naive bullshit away and recognize that if you really cared about those people you would be giving them all of your $ already.

You know, and I know, deep down, you don't give a fuck about those people.

Vote for yourself. Fuck the lower class, middle class, upper class, and any other class. Fuck your friends, fuck your family. Fuck the world.

I voted for Bush and got an extra $6,000 a year. I'm not ashamed in the slightest, that's six fuckin' grand without lifting an extra finger, and that shit would go to paying for substandard health care for poor starving motherfuckers who refuse to get jobs if Obama gets elected.

If McCain gets elected, the same shit will happen in some way or another, I know this. Either way, my $6,000 is gonna vanish.

So fuck this bullshit election and fuck both parties. I could care less if some homeless fuckers starve, I wanna keep my money that I earned.

ANARCHY NOW, POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

RIOT IN THE STREETS FOR REAL JUSTICE.

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Commander — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:18:00 GMT

Jesus said the Poor will always be here. I dont look to Politicians or Modern Day Religious Leaders to solve and or care for Poor People. No one has successfully addressed POVERTY. Whatever happened to the "Poor People's Campaign".............. I also disagree that Poor/Underclass People dont vote, which is a stupid statement.

That's why I Love and Honor Hip Hop, because Hip Hop is the only business that allows for ONE to share their Poverty, Low Class Stories to the World and become overnight Millionaires. "Back then didn't want me -- Now um hot all on me". All is One (because) All is Well...........

"Long Lives Hip Hop and the Brothers of the Struggles!"

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