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Frank Lucas: The Real American Gangster 
Published Friday, November 09, 2007 6:59 AM
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By Chuck “Jigsaw” Creekmur
Frank Lucas on what he hopes his legacy will be:

“I’m very remorseful. Sorry I did what I did. I did it. Wouldn’t do it again if it was laying out on the table for me. My name is Frank Lucas and please respect me as such.”

Frank Lucas has been highly respected for a number of things he has been: father, husband, businessman, and one of the leading drug lords in the 60’s and 70’s. These days, the 77-year-old North Carolina transplant is regarded as the “American Gangster” and his life is now an acclaimed film starring Denzel Washington, Russell Crowe and rappers like Common and T.I.

A sizable segment of the population loathes Lucas for his drug dealing days, where he went so far as to transport near-pure heroin in the caskets of dead Viet Nam vets though the U.S. military. These days, he rejects the American Gangster moniker and is now seeks to do some good for all of the negative he’s contributed to the world, especially his drug haven of Harlem, New York.

With all his illegal millions gone, he now denounces his gangster ways, but Frank Lucas is what he is and when you hear his gruff, abrasive voice recall the old days, you know he’s the genuine article. In this AllHipHop interview, he examines how he became the infamous Frank Lucas. He trounces commonly held street notions about rival Nicky Barnes and The Council. He discusses his son’s rap career. Finally, he’s also got a few barbed words for rap magistrate Jay-Z and that infamous line from “No Hook” from his hit album American Gangster.


AllHipHop.com: At one point, I heard you were charging for interviews so I didn’t think we’d ever get to talk.

Frank Lucas: I don’t never do too much for free, but hey…why the hell not? You don’t pay for your interviews?

 AllHipHop.com: No. I don’t get any money for interviews that I do.

Frank Lucas: Why not? I hear you’re a super star.

AllHipHop.com: [laughs] I’m somebody, but I don’t know about a super star. That’s you.

Frank Lucas: That’s the word out there – super star.

AllHipHop.com: [joking] Well maybe I should charge then.

Frank Lucas: Let’s talk.

AllHipHop.com: So, how do you feel you were represented in the movie American Gangster, which is based on your lifes and times in Harlem?

Frank Lucas: Well, I said it once and I’ll say it again, I don’t have anything to say but good when you have Mr. Denzel Washington doing your part.

AllHipHop.com: It’s a great movie, from my perspective.

Frank Lucas: You saw the movie so there ain’t much I can tell you.

AllHipHop.com: Who is the real Frank Lucas? Obviously, we’ve seen the movie, but its just that – a movie. How accurate is the movie?

Frank Lucas: Through that whole movie, and the parts that Mr. Washington does, is 85-95% accurate. You can’t get much better than that.

AllHipHop.com: The opening scene of the movie is a shocker to me. I know you’ve said on the record that you haven’t killed anybody, but how were they able to represent you that way?

Frank Lucas: I told you it was a movie.  They’re gonna make their money regardless. You gotta look at it that way also, you know?

AllHipHop.com: I get it. It stated in the movie that there is an experience you had before coming to Harlem where you experienced a lot of racism and hardships. Can you speak on that and how it affected you into what you eventually became.

Frank Lucas: When you are a kid and you see something like that, you can’t help but affect your life. You can’t help but think that the whole world is trying to tear you down and rip you off. When you are six years old and you see something like a Ku Klux Klan knock your cousin’s teeth out with handle of a shotgun and turn around and put it in his mouth and pull the trigger… I mean, his face looked good, but you could put a cantaloupe in the back of his head [because the hole was so big]. That can’t help but affect you. I’m speaking to you now, but a little while ago I was feeling sick. Brains …brains…bone…blood…teeth…was all over the yard.

AllHipHop.com: Wow.

Frank Lucas: Did you read about why he got that?

AllHipHop.com: Yeah, for looking at a White woman – “reckless eyeballing.”

Frank Lucas: Yeah, you got it. Reckless eyeballing. I don’t even think that was in the movie, but that’s what it was. All that was for reckless eyeballing and that’s a damn shame.

AllHipHop.com: That was crazy and that was in North Carolina, correct?

Frank Lucas: Absolutely.

AllHipHop.com: A lot of your family is from  North Carolina…

Frank Lucas: All my family is from North Carolina…we all come from down there.

AllHipHop.com: Do you stay in touch with your family at all?

Frank Lucas: Heck yeah. I’ve always been a family man, always will be. I’m about family more than anything else in the world. Without family, you’ve got nothing.

AllHipHop.com: You’re right. I’m close to my family too. How did you maintain the life in the drug game with a family? It’s not a lifestyle conducive to having loved ones. In the period of the movie you supposedly had a daughter that wasn’t depicted.


Frank Lucas: It might be hard for some people, but it wasn’t hard for me. You mean, back in the money days, the glory days…that’s what you’re talking about?

AllHipHop.com: Yeah.

Frank Lucas: I did both. I matched them up real well. It wasn’t hard for me, not at all. They had everything they could dream about. They had everything. On the other hand, I wasn’t a happy camper, because I was thinking back and forth in my head, “What’s gonna happen when this is over.”

AllHipHop.com: A lot of people ask, “Why didn’t you stop?” Can you answer that question now?

Frank Lucas: I can answer it now, but I don’t know if it’s the answer you looking for. I didn’t stop, because my wife gotta get me to stop. Some of my family gotta get me to stop. Them laws [can’t make me stop]. They ain’t even know what I was – I went like 10 years before they even knew what I was doing. The law [police] is a lie. Always something. But anyway, my wife caught onto it like any wife would. She kept on digging and digging and digging and she caught on to it. And I kept telling her, “One more time, just one more time, one more trip, one more trip. I’m getting $3,000 for this one, just leave me alone.” Three thousand was a big load back then. I guess it still might be. I’m not in it no more so I wouldn’t know. I told [his wife], “Leave me alone. I’ma do this.” When you do that, you’re gonna lose big time.

AllHipHop.com: How low did you get?

Frank Lucas: What do you mean?

AllHipHop.com: In the movie, it shows basically you losing everything. Was that the case? Typically there is a stash somewhere.

Frank Lucas: I was down to zero; living like I was when I was six years old. I didn’t have no money, man. When I come out the joint, I could buy a pack of cigarettes and a cup off coffee – maybe.

AllHipHop.com: At the end of the movie, when you get out, there is rap music playing. Was there a point, they were trying to make?

Frank Lucas: You gotta remember when I went into the penitentiary, there wasn’t a such thing as rap music. There was James Brown, Aretha Franklin…they were popular then. “Bop, bop, bop” [rap music]– that wasn’t around then. The world was a different place when I come out.

AllHipHop.com: What do you think about this? In real life, you were considered a gangster, but…

Frank Lucas: I hope not.

AllHipHop.com: What? You don’t want to be considered a gangster?

Frank Lucas: No sir.

AllHipHop.com: Why not?

Frank Lucas: I went that route and it didn’t get me nothing. It got me a whole lot of clout and I hurt a lot of people. I don’t want to hurt people no more. I’m very remorseful for what I did. I don’t want to go through that road…I don’t want to do that again.

AllHipHop.com: That’s a good message to send. I recently spoke to some people and they were asking me if American Gangster would be adopted like Scarface has been embraced by Hip-Hop. I told them no…the stories end differently. Secondly, you have expressed a certain amount of remorse.

Frank Lucas: I have all the remorse in the world. I didn’t do it right. That was a terrible thing I did. Also, you gotta understand. Me and "Scarface" were in two different worlds. He was in the cocaine world and I was in the other world - the real dirty world.

AllHipHop.com: Why do you say “the real dirty world?”

Frank Lucas: Heroin is a real dirty business. That’s a horrible business to be in. People get up, get into that and they don’t come back. I’m not speaking on this [from personal knowledge], because I wasn’t on the s**t. But a cocaine user can do without it, they don’t have to have it. Heroin, you know you have to have that. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but that’s what I hear.

AllHipHop.com: I know a few people in the music game that casually use it on the weekends and then they go to work on Monday.

Frank Lucas: You can’t do that with heroin. You do that with heroin, you get hooked. You gotta have that every day. Every day is Sunday, Monday to you.

AllHipHop.com: Your son is rapping now.

Frank Lucas: That’s my son. For real, that’s my son.

AllHipHop.com: How do you feel about him using your name to jump start his career in that manner?

Frank Lucas: Hey, you know what? More power to him. If I could help him, I would, but ain’t much I can do, because I’m not out there like that no more, you know? I just hope he goes out there and has a great career, you know, and do the right thing. I know he is. He ain’t into drugs so I know he ain’t going to get into drugs. He’s old now so I don’t believe he’s going to get into it now.

AllHipHop.com: They say Hip-Hop is the new dope game. Like all the street dudes are getting into the rap game to keep it legit, but still talk about their experience in the street.

Frank Lucas: That could be true, but I’m not into rapping and all that kind of thing. I really wouldn’t know.

AllHipHop.com: OK, no problem. This might be a rumor, but I heard that Nicky Barnes didn’t like his portrayal in the American Gangster movie.

Frank Lucas: I don’t know. Let me tell you, I have no idea. I haven’t spoken to him since the movie came out.

AllHipHop.com: Have you seen his movie, Mr. Untouchable?

Frank Lucas: No, have you seen it?

AllHipHop.com: No, but I’m trying to. I really want to see it, you know. A lot of us in the Hip-Hop Generation are fascinated by those times. Also, with all the rappers dropping names, we hear it but we don’t always get the story, whether it’s a movie, book or documentary. Now, we are getting some of the real stories.

Frank Lucas: I heard its pretty good, Mr. Untouchable. Did you hear about it?

AllHipHop.com: I’m reading the book, but I heard its pretty good

Frank Lucas: You know, when Nicky was out there, I know he did a lot of bad things, they treated him like a dog when he wasn’t out there [jail]. I heard after three months, he couldn’t buy a pack of cigarettes. They took all their money and dogged him.

AllHipHop.com: Are you talking about The Council? [Nicky Barnes organized and strengthened his power base by uniting other powerful drug dealers called The Council.]

Frank Lucas: I didn’t know nothing about no Council when I was out there. I wouldn’t play that. If somebody wants to be a Don or a Gambino, the other guy wants to be Al Capone. The other guy wants to be Frank Nitti. Hey, you turn around [and] you got a mess. There wasn’t no damn Council. I can tell you that right now. That’s not true. Anybody [contradicts] that, they lying.

AllHipHop.com: What do you mean?

Frank Lucas: I wouldn’t have stood for it, ok?

AllHipHop.com: Say that again?

Frank Lucas: If I say [there] ain’t no damn Council, ain’t gonna be no got damn Council. Believe me.

AllHipHop.com: Well, why do you say that? There was this whole thing, this organizational chart and all that.

Frank Lucas: I don’t care what they say. They can say anything that they want.

AllHipHop.com: Are you saying that they made it seem like Nicky and The Council were more organized than they actually were?

Frank Lucas: Of course they were. You know got damn well they gonna make it appear like they were all organized and that. I’m telling you there wasn’t no such thing. It was bulls**t is what I’m telling you.

AllHipHop.com: Ok, ok. Well, that’s a popular notion that there was the Council. There is a whole organizational chart right in the front of “Mr. Untouchable.”

Frank Lucas: Nicky is lying. He’s making it up. He’s lying. I’m telling you, if I said there wasn’t going to be no Council, there wasn’t gonna be none. And I said there wasn’t no Council and there wasn’t no Council. They wasn’t no Gambinos, no Al Capone’s or no Bumpy Johnson’s…no I wasn’t having that.

AllHipHop.com: Now, you say you weren’t going to have that, but were you and Nicky rivals? With “Blue Magic,” you had a “better” drug product, but he covered more ground in New York than you. Am I correct in saying that?

Frank Lucas: Hell, no you not correct. He ain’t cover more than nothing I did. It wasn’t good as mine, it wasn’t better than mine – it wasn’t nothing. I’m not bragging. I’m not bragging. I’m telling you how it was. If I was out there, I would have bought it [his own drugs].

AllHipHop.com: A lot of you were considered businessmen.

Frank Lucas: Yes, I had businesses and stuff, from North Carolina to New York. New York, I had a supermarket. North Carolina, I had 6,000 acres of land [for] farming. Hey, I was a businessman.

AllHipHop.com: How did you maintain all your business and even your drug game? Did you have a tight grip on these other businesses as well?

Frank Lucas: Yes, sir. In Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit, Miami, [inaudible city], North Carolina, I had a lot of property and the government took every damn bit of it. They took everything I had, every dime I had. Put it like this, I wasn’t that smart of a businessman, because if I was, I would have put it somewhere they could [not] have took it. And I could have, but hell, I didn’t think they could take all those properties.

My lawyer, Jeff Harper, told me they could not take nothing off shore [out of the United States], those bank accounts off shore. I believed what he told me and it cost me a whole lot of money.

AllHipHop.com: I thought they couldn’t take anything outside of the U.S.

Frank Lucas: Don’t you ever believe that, you hear? They want something, they go and get it. They went and got mine. I don’t care what they say. They went and got mine. I wish to the world [that they couldn’t] – I’d be super rich if I could get my money back. And I’d be super rich all over again.

AllHipHop.com: Speaking of rich, can you tell me how much you took home from American Gangster for them using…

Frank Lucas: Naw, naw, naw…that ain’t none of your business. I’m not gonna tell you that.

AllHipHop.com: Alright, I wouldn’t expect you to.

Frank Lucas: You didn’t expect me to, but you did  ask.

AllHipHop.com: You can say no. I don’t mind you saying no.

Frank Lucas: [laughs] I like you man. You alright. You OK. I’m gonna say what I gotta say my way and you do what you gotta do.

AllHipHop.com: Hey, I respect, “No” more than a bullcrap answer.

Frank Lucas: I’m not gonna give you no bullcrap answer.

AllHipHop.com:  Jay-Z recently recorded an album inspired by the movie. He had a line on his song "No Hook" that was talking about you. I’m sure you heard it.

Frank Lucas: No, I haven’t. I don’t listen to Mr. Jay-Z’s music, but please tell me what it is.

AllHipHop.com: He says, “I’m more Frank Lucas than Ludacris” and Ludacris is a rapper. Then he says, “Frank Lucas is cool, but I ain’t trying to snitch.” Now, I know that you on record have addressed that situation, but…

Frank Lucas: Tell that young man to watch his mouth. Please watch his mouth. Tell that young man to please watch his mouth. Mr. Jay-Z, tell him to please watch his mouth. You saw the movie?

AllHipHop.com: I sure did.

[In the movie, Frank provides information that leads to the conviction of crooked cops and Italian drug dealers. Critics say he offered information on others, a charge he denies.]

Frank Lucas: Then you know what I did. You know exactly what I did. It was all in there. And if that’s what you call a snitch, then so be it.



Comments

 

MAK™ said:

sheesh..... wut an ending to this interview... smh

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November 9, 2007 7:07 AM
 

arana roja said:

The nigga did snitch, though. On more than just the damn police. And as far as that "Council" shit, he was off the scene for a few years before Nicky and his boys fell off, so how was he still controlling what niggas was doing and calling themselves?
November 9, 2007 7:41 AM
 

Trium918 said:

@ arana roja
He only told on the Police stupid!
November 9, 2007 8:22 AM
 

MR FLORIDA said:

FLORIDA ALL DAY!
November 9, 2007 8:44 AM
 

Hoodgrown said:

Man AHH ya'll niggas did your damn thing with this interview. I get to interview dude next week... but damn.. i don't think nothing is fucking with this interview.....



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November 9, 2007 9:02 AM
 

LP2K said:

arana roja said:
The nigga did snitch, though. On more than just the damn police. And as far as that "Council" shit, he was off the scene for a few years before Nicky and his boys fell off, so how was he still controlling what niggas was doing and calling themselves?


you can run shit from prison. gang leaders and mob bosses have been doing that shit for years. in jail you still can know whats going on in the streets and if frank was as big as the movie portrayed him then he definitely has connections in the bin. also you cant really tell him what he really did or didnt do. i doubt that you was there when all that shit went down. if you was my next question would be, why you are on a hip hop website? if you believe everything the media says then your a fool. you really only can go by what he or the people around him says. that is where the truth is. so if he said he only ratted out the police then he only ratted on the police. end of story.
November 9, 2007 9:09 AM
 

j_ray said:

good interview
November 9, 2007 9:21 AM
 

OSC-CEO said:

Frank is a fucking rat!!!!!!!!!!

talking about tell hov to watch his mouth..nigga he just calling it like it is.....

you rat bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and just to let you guys know in real life he told on more than the dam cops.......
November 9, 2007 9:23 AM
 

BCTW said:

That's not snitching. He only brought down the dudes who extorted him for years. Dirty cops are unforgivable, so are fellow criminals who try to hate on your success by shaking you down over and over again. Everyone didn't stay in their lane so they paid dearly. I can't blame Frank at all.
November 9, 2007 9:30 AM
 

renegro said:

we so badly want to believe in the council and see spin off movies , ,, rediculous how we embrace this gangsta culture , ,,them folks he snitched on wasnt shit, neither was them folks that nicky snitched on, they wasnt shit. . . so be it  
November 9, 2007 9:36 AM
 

mu$h da great said:

I'm confused. who is frank lucas's son? why did jay-z make reference to ludacris? Is he jus saying he's more of a "hustler" than a rapper? first this ninja wants to play him in the movie now he's throwing sucker punches in songs? it seems like he's bitter because they didn't allow him to play a part in the movie or the soundtrack.  it doesn't matter how much money he makes, how many buisnesses he aquires, he is never going to be who he wishes he was. frank lucas is what jay wishes he was. its evident. I'm not sure how much of his streetlife is fabricated in his rhyme, or if the shit is completely true but right now you are a fucking rapper, a succesfull one at that. be content with your achievements & blessings. I don't know ....... maybe I'm reading in to this the wrong way.how do yall feel?
November 9, 2007 9:38 AM
 

mu$h da great said:

I'm confused. who is frank lucas's son? why did jay-z make reference to ludacris? Is he jus saying he's more of a "hustler" than a rapper? first this ninja wants to play him in the movie now he's throwing sucker punches in songs? it seems like he's bitter because they didn't allow him to play a part in the movie or the soundtrack.  it doesn't matter how much money he makes, how many buisnesses he aquires, he is never going to be who he wishes he was. frank lucas is what jay wishes he was. its evident. I'm not sure how much of his streetlife is fabricated in his rhyme, or if the shit is completely true but right now you are a fucking rapper, a succesfull one at that. be content with your achievements & blessings. I don't know ....... maybe I'm reading in to this the wrong way.how do yall feel?
November 9, 2007 9:38 AM
 

mu$h da great said:

I got side tracked & forgot to say great interview jigsaw.
November 9, 2007 9:39 AM
 

FEBword said:

Jigsaw! Daaam it man! You did it on this one ssssssssson! Jigga, watch your mouth! LOL! I think "Lucas" is for real yo. Jay, watch your mouth.
FEB-Hiphop
November 9, 2007 9:48 AM
 

mu$h da great said:

I don't codone comprimising others in the same situation you in because you got caught but crooked law enforcement is expendable, especially if they are leaning on you.fuck them.
November 9, 2007 9:49 AM
 

Profit101 said:

Yo...I don't think Jay-Z is wrong at all for saying what he said.

Jay-Z said made niggas don't speak...he still ain't fully said what happened with the Dame and Biggs situation.  He keeps it under wraps and that don't do nothing but let everyone speculate what happened.

I respect both sides of it though.  Frank was real.
November 9, 2007 9:56 AM
 

Streetweyez Sayles said:

This was great a interview. I respect Frank more now because I always said Frank Lucas was nobody to glorify and he had the balls to say it himself even with all the fame he is getting. That is a real man right there. Most dudes nowadays would be trumping it up and they never even engaged in the game at his level.

The really interesting thing is how Frank Lucas said he doesn't listen to Mr. Jay-Z. He doesn't really like rap music. Now everyone is going to come out and attack Frank Lucas. Why not attack Jay-Z for using this man's life as a platform to put out an album? No not on AHH.com. You got people calling American Gangster classic, that shit is good, it aint classic. Frank told Jay-Z to watch his muthafucking mouth. LMAO!!

I mean all the name dropping in rap from people that never even seen some of these guys is too pathetic. I remember Jay-Z named dropped Rayful Edmond on Reasonable Doubt. I know he didn't have any affiliations with Rayful. Rayful wasn't even the richest black cocaine dealer in this city on some real shit he was just the most flashy.  He was getting money, but he wasn't the biggest. The biggest is not dead either, Ray went down and they cracked down hard when Ray started snitching. The real nigga is retired now and most cats don't even know his name. It is a shame that these dudes have to pretend to sell records.

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November 9, 2007 9:56 AM
 

Boss Up said:

I'm gettin tired of this whole American Gangster thing
November 9, 2007 10:10 AM
 

TreDH said:

Yall are fcuking retarded if you really think all he told on was the police. Right there at the end of the interview it says he told on the police and Itlaian drug dealers. The Italian drug dealers weren't the cops. FRANK LUCAS IS A SNITCH. That is a jacket must wear for the rest of his life. Snitching is snitching is doesn't matter who you tell on.
November 9, 2007 10:14 AM
 

King1122 said:

Why AHH had to stir the pot by tellin him that shit?  Ain't that snitchin?  
November 9, 2007 10:14 AM
 

LP2K said:

is it me or did it feel like frank was getting upset with jigsaw at one point?
November 9, 2007 10:17 AM
 

Holla221 said:

I just find it so funny that some people like a Jay-Z or Dame Dash and Jim Jones call this guy a snitch and none of them were as deep in the drug game as he (Frank) was and none of them ever made as much money (liquid cash not assets) as this guy did....I want to see how these guys would react if they were facing 70 years in jail....Its so easy to talk that "I wouldnt snitch" crap until your actually facing life in jail...
November 9, 2007 10:24 AM
 

JigsawTheGod said:

nah, he wasnt upset with me. at times he got "hype" but it was all cool....i think he's interested in ppl getting his point across. there are a lot of people vying for the same space in history...lucas, bumpys family, nicky barnes

November 9, 2007 10:30 AM
 

Nola boy said:

GREAT INTERVIEW IN FAR AS THE SNITCHING SHIT A REAL NIGGA KNOWS WHEN YOUR THAT STRONG IN THE GAME IN I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHO U ARE THE FEDS GONNA GET SOMETHIN OUT OF U ITS WHAT U GIVE THEM, ONE WAY OR A ANOTHER DATS PART OF THE JOB DON'T BELIEVE THESE RAPPING DRUG DEALERS ITS NOT A GAME READ UP ON RICO
November 9, 2007 10:34 AM
 

QayyimAllahKabar said:

The game is to be sold not told
November 9, 2007 10:36 AM
 

v4vendetta said:

Bottom line is Frank is out! Nicky is out! Scarface the fiction is dead!  

And tell Joe Camel to watch his mouth! :)
November 9, 2007 10:39 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

gr8 interview, peace
November 9, 2007 10:48 AM
 

TWON THE DON said:

FUCK THE POLICE!
THE MAN AINT SNITCH
YOU NIGGAS DON'T NO WHAT THE FUCK SNITCHING IS

YOU LISTEN TO TOO MANY RAP SONGS
November 9, 2007 10:49 AM
 

Jory201 said:

That is not snitching!
November 9, 2007 10:50 AM
 

delvec001 said:

This is one of the best interviews i've read in a while...

But in a story he did with the new york times, the story says he snitched on over 100 drug dealers... its an interview he tells the story in... and he also says he killed a dudde that everyone was scared of...
November 9, 2007 10:56 AM
 

jojodove77 said:

Profit101 said:
Yo...I don't think Jay-Z is wrong at all for saying what he said.

Jay-Z said made niggas don't speak...he still ain't fully said what happened with the Dame and Biggs situation.  He keeps it under wraps and that don't do nothing but let everyone speculate what happened.

I respect both sides of it though.  Frank was real.
November 9, 2007 9:56 AM

^^^ I'm from Marcy AND a Jay-Z fan and I still think Jay can shut the F up!!! How he talking about "made niggas" and the reality is SEAN sold some drugs in the 80's/early 90's just like a million other lil hustle nukkas in nyc...HE WASN'T NO MEGADON!!!  He's rich from rap but otherwise if you're talking the streets he was not even in the same zip code (far as boss level) as a Frank Lucas...what fools on here REALLY think Jay wouldn't be singing like a big-lipped canary if he was under the feds microscope and DEFINATELY about to lose his entire forture??? Are you serious!!!
Telling on some corrupt @$$ cops that extort you for $$$ and run up in your crib to slap around your wife & momma whenever the F they feel like it is not snitching my dude...it's called STICKING IT TO THE PIGS!!! Since when do black folks feel like they have to protect bad cops that toss bullets in our azzes just because they can????  
This type of backwards thinking should be in the "YOU KNOW THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END" part of the rumors!
November 9, 2007 11:07 AM
 

hypestyle said:

people need to be not so caught up in the whole gangster drama of snitching vs. not snitching..

did y'all even get the point that this guy sold drugs to his own community and got rich.. Finally now in old age he is remorseful, trying to tell other people not to get involved in it..

as far as Jay Z, he was NEVER any kind of dope kingpin.. just like any other young 'hustling' cat, he had his little piece of the crack-pie, but he wasn't remotely close to anything like Frank, Nicky, Gotti or anyone else.  Stop fooling yourself, Shawn!!
November 9, 2007 11:11 AM
 

C-JAE: The Coach said:

GOOD INTERVIEW!!!!!!!!!!! FRANK KEPT IT REAL & AHH HELD IT DOWN.
November 9, 2007 11:23 AM
 

Fawn said:

Utterly impressed Jigsaw.
November 9, 2007 11:28 AM
 

JayAllah said:

wow good interview and i didnt like dude until he admitted himself that heroin is no joke and he really hurt his community.. more respect to him.. i didnt mind him snitchin on the cops i woulda did the same.. any family i was beefin with at the time, sure snitch on them.. did he snitch on his family?  thats something different he said he didnt do it so until some researcher find out if he ever stood trial and actually testified in a case then its undetermined...

as for the whole jay - z situation, yes the guy platform an ablum about the dude and it is a masterpiece from beggining to end.. NO jay never said he was frank lucas type your just making speculations.. once again jay sold coke not dope and even lucas said it was a big difference.. but american g the album is the best in 07 classic material if you like real music.. so stop making specualtions and stop foolin yourselves..
November 9, 2007 11:28 AM
 

LP2K said:

im suprised they havent done a movie about guy fisher with all this noise about these ex ny 70's drug dealers.
November 9, 2007 11:52 AM
 

the_dboy417 said:

Good interview Jigsaw, I don't see how anyone can top this. I have become fascinated with this era as well. I'm ready to see Mr Untouchable.

Also I co sign what Lp2k said to arano roja. People hear one thing and they take it and run with it. None of us were there so to act like you know for a fact this nigga snitched is just stupid.
November 9, 2007 12:07 PM
 

b_goat76 said:

Well if it ain't snitching, we will call it "tattle tellin" He is a tattle tella.
November 9, 2007 12:09 PM
 

slimturk said:

hmmm i wonder who his son his in the rap game?????

Could it be Ludacris or Jay Z? or both of these men?

i guess we will never know though....that will cause hiphop to blow that particular rapper up in the hiphop hustle...
November 9, 2007 12:12 PM
 

Fawn said:

lol @ b_goat76
November 9, 2007 12:30 PM
 

Hustlinupnorth said:

Frank Lucas givin' the business to Jigsaw! Real talk! Nice piece of journalism, gotta respect the man for tellin' it like it is. Like it was, or whatever. Y'all can't imagine what it must be like to have the Feds take your life apart piece by piece. You can ask Frank Lucas, they don't leave you with shit!
To all y'all talkin' like you know better than the OG - you don't!
November 9, 2007 12:41 PM
 

theblakeman said:

@ Slimturk
lol no his son is some myspace rapper who nobody knows about
November 9, 2007 12:42 PM
 

Jiin3 said:

Jay wasnt pullin in Frank Lucas money in his dealin days as far as I know... so those comparaison are kinda weak IMO.
Frank never had drug on him Jay always had some on him...he was a dealer not a King Pin or the head of an organization
November 9, 2007 12:54 PM
 

V.P. said:

I think the hip hop communities obsession with snitching is ridiculous. I did however really enjoy this interview.
November 9, 2007 12:57 PM
 

Grumpy said:

If Frank only told on crooked cops and Italian mobsters and Nicky got revenge on his crew when they broke the code and fucked his wife and took his bread, then neither of them snitched.

Had the council kept their end and his wife carried herself other than a hoe, then...
November 9, 2007 12:59 PM
 

themc said:

damn, real nice interview. I wonder what Lucas would say/do to jigga if they met.

wow.




roc.a.fella.yo!
November 9, 2007 1:00 PM
 

jojochicago said:

Frank is off the hook! he straight saying what we all believe to be true and documented to be a lie. Maybe he didn't know cuz he was so in the cut he was oblivious to it. Its hard tobelieve he don't have a stash out there somewhere when he got out. i'm sure he got out and was A to da G. A hustler on his level wouldn't had it any other way!
November 9, 2007 1:06 PM
 

K_ShreveportLA318 said:

Boss Up said:
I'm gettin tired of this whole American Gangster thing

ME TOO!!.  I kinda gotta problem with idolizing these dudes but i keep coming back.

I think Frankie be lying about alot of shit as well.  Even on the BET show people said one thing he said another.  It probably was a council.

I'm tryin to figure out why er'body giving Frank Lucas a pass for his so-called snithching but don't give one to Nicky Barnes.

Nick's people broke the rules first right.  Wouldn't that piss u off?
Don't know just asking.

Moral to the story:  U on top of the world with dope, money, and women till u get caught.  After that you ain't shit but a has been talking bout whut you used to have. American Gangster, same story over and over again.
November 9, 2007 1:23 PM
 

fdmedina2 said:

Frank Lucas did snitch. but he even said it in the movie, that he represents HIMSELF! HIMSELF!! so fuck all them cops, and mafia drug leaders! Its different when its your family, but when its someone that u dont give a fuck about....than snitch on!
November 9, 2007 1:44 PM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

@ Grumpy

If that's the situation with Frank then I agree..But it ain't no code to no bitches period..What the fuck kind of shit is that to say? I don't give a fuck if a rival nigga was fucking his bitch..See, them are the kind of niggaz I stay the fuck away from..Niggaz be cool as fuck when it come to hustling and everything else but the niggaz turn softer than muthafucka behind a broad..That ain't G shit..Nicky Barnes was a bitch nigga for that shit and it ain't no way you can dress that shit up because I know he fucked some of their ho's too..It's part of the game but he had to be a tender dick ass nigga and snitch because that bitch had his nose wide open..
November 9, 2007 1:47 PM
 

DC CA$HVILLE said:

"TELL MR. JAY-Z TO WATCH HIS MOUTH."

-FRANK LUCAS

PEACE AND MORE HAIR GREASE,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
November 9, 2007 1:50 PM
 

Handsome_Rob said:

ALLHIPHOP yall tha SHIT... all capz

man Frank Lugaz is tha shit... they should have allowed him to keep his businesses and what he kould klaim as business ... and this my reasoning.. he's muxh older and wiser but most ppl get back into tha same shit because of that... they have tha business mind... in this I think tha law kreates kriminalz


in my kommunity, tha law kreated a lot of kriminalz

somebody should ask... but hopefully all of his family got out also...

damn fam its just music... now why u started beef between Jay and Frank?


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November 9, 2007 1:51 PM
 

odeisel said:

frank lucas looks like an old ass jayz with an afro in that pic
November 9, 2007 2:00 PM
 

LP2K said:

odeisel said:
frank lucas looks like an old ass jayz with an afro in that pic


i'd say he looks like a more worn out version of barry bonds
November 9, 2007 2:04 PM
 

djraycool said:

The AG album is not classic its not even good. Its another shitty attempt to comback to the game like kingdom dumb. Jayz needs to fuck off. Pussy nigga
November 9, 2007 2:14 PM
 

djraycool said:

The AG album is not classic its not even good. Its another shitty attempt to comback to the game like kingdom dumb. Jayz needs to fuck off. Pussy nigga
November 9, 2007 2:14 PM
 

arana roja said:

Shout to OSC CEO, TreDH & Delvec001

But some of these niggas is fucking stupid.

The nigga told on more than the police. That movie shit was done like that so dumb ass niggas would idolize the man for "keepin it real." Now mind you I am not judging him for nothing he EVER did-Including helping to fuck Harlem up the way he did. I ain't never walked in his shoes and I ain't never been facing 70 years in the pen when Im 45 years old- so he did what he felt he had to do. But the FACT is that he told on cops, he told on the Italians, and he told own his own people- brothers, cousins etc. And any nigga think that he only told on cops cause the movie (and he) said so, I got a bridge to sell you. Yall need to read for yourselves. Watch the documentaries for yourself. I've read the articles where HE talks about giving everybody up cause he was looking out for him and him only.
The movie is just that - A MOVIE. And a damned good one at that. But it aint gonna show you everything the way it really was cause real life don't play out that sweet.


November 9, 2007 2:50 PM
 

Fly Boi said:

All of ya'll clowns calling Frank Lucas a snitch need to shut the hell up. All of ya'll would be snitchin to save ya'll asses if ya'll were facing life in prison. Dudes try to act all hard til they get in that court room and the judge holla life. And Jigga would rat too. You think he'd give up all of his millions to take a charge for somebody GTFOH!!!
November 9, 2007 2:51 PM
 

WE$TCOA$T ALL STAR said:

Dope interview
Frank clowned Mr. Jay Z
thats a real nigga right there

November 9, 2007 2:59 PM
 

kim jong-ill said:

South dudes stay going to NYC taking over the dope game.

It's some "ignorant shit" nonetheless.
November 9, 2007 2:59 PM
 

BlackFlipInTheFrontYard said:

I just love Black history month.
Oh wait, it is November right?

Man....I must be off that shit!!!

The fuck you lookin' at?
November 9, 2007 3:04 PM
 

Smashit said:

Frank Lucus was & still is the man end of story!  You can say what you want about if he snitched or didn't snitch but you see he's not worried about shit & nobody's looking for him because he didn't go far.  At 77 he still gangsta he just smart enough not to admit it - the man is living good.

Jay-z need to watch his mouth calling people snitches but he turned his back on everybody that started with him and embrasses everybody that said "fuk Jay-z" like Nas & Lil Wayne so that makes him more pussy than any snitch could ever be because that makes him a snake-ass fucker!
November 9, 2007 3:15 PM
 

Hypnotice7 said:

Damn Jigsaw, good interview.
November 9, 2007 3:29 PM
 

bnreal80 said:

dont get it twisted frank still got some bread, he help bring down a lot of corrupt people the gove tried to get for years ... trus
November 9, 2007 3:35 PM
 

EF Cuttin said:

Until his FAMILY says he snitched on them, STFU!!!!! Besides, who does the top dog snitch on?? The underlings??? Yall crack babies make me sick!!! Get a job, learn chain of command, and understand the buck stops at the top dealer, after that, its cops,politicians, military higher-ups, in short, hypocrites who do dirt w/o getting dirty!!!!!! LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 9, 2007 3:39 PM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

Bottom line is none of you niggaz know whether or not that man snitched unless somebody he snitched on told you that with court transcripts to back it up..

It's like this too..It ain't about whether or not another nigga would snitch if put in that position..It's about whether you are man enough to take your charge like a man..I ain't snitching on nobody else to save my ass if I was in the midst of things..I watch the first 48 on A&E and y'all young niggaz be getting diarrhea out the mouth before they put any pressure on you..If you a bitch ass nigga that ain't ready to do your time, don't do the crime..Once niggaz start killing muthufucka's kids and family and get back to the old wayz of the streetz I bet you bitch ass niggaz tighten up..
November 9, 2007 3:49 PM
 

illseed said:

wouldnt frank be marked for death if he snitched? nicky barnes doesnt show his face or come out b/c he has a contract on his head.

yall know...im not the snitch expert, but frank is out and about and chillin, sitting on about a million hahaha

good job mr. jigsaw, sir.
November 9, 2007 3:59 PM
 

TheOuncemaniak said:

@ flyboi

then dont put yourself in that situation to being with.  he couldve took what he had and ran with it, but he chose to go on. the interviewer even asked him that people wanted to know why didnt he stop and his response was because he wanted to hear it from his family?  i thought it was every man for themself.
so if your going to continue, understand that there is a possibility of being caught.  and if u cant do the time, dont do the crime
November 9, 2007 4:12 PM
 

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November 9, 2007 4:19 PM
 

MD-2-BX VIA I95 said:

JAY ON HIS SOLO FOR DOLO SHHHHHH

LIVING IN NYC WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE CRAMMED UP TOGETHER WILL SHOW YOU HOW DIRTY PEOPLE CAN GET ITS LIKE THAT IN ANY GRIMEY BIG CITY.

SOUTH DUDES GO TO NYC TO RUN THE DOPE GAME LOL
THEN THEY GET ARRESTED AND ARE CALLED SNITCHES LOL

JAY-Z WENT DOWN SOUTH AND DID HIS SHIT AND ITS IN HIS MUSIC.... NOW HE RUNS THE RAP GAME...

YA ALL SOUND CONFUSED.... GET A CLUE SO YOU CAN HAVE AN IDEA....
THEN POST...
November 9, 2007 4:35 PM
 

KJRfromDC said:

Good read....I want to clarify a few things for some of you biased stupid ass niggas....I can't do nothing but respect Frank Lucas' hustle, but bottom line is he is a SNITCH.  No he did NOT ONLY SNITCH ON DIRTY COPS (court transcripts and docs are public record), but even if he did that's snitchin.  You can't justify snitchin by sayin "well I only told on niggas who deserved it".  And for the niggas saying "you don't know if he really snitched", LOOK AT THE MOVIE HE COSIGNED.....It shows the italians get locked up along with the dirty cops.....and secondly, on the TV series AG, they interviewed the REAL detective (Russell Crowe plays him in the movie) who worked with the prosecution and he confirmed that Lucas snitched on MORE than just cops and that his info led to over 50 or 60 (I forget the actual number) convictions.....Wether you literally get on the stand or not, if you provide ANY information that leads to the prosecution or imprisonment of another nigga doing dirty solely because YOU were caught first, you are a SNITCH.....I don't care how cruddy that next nigga is, you DON'T snitch....you handle the situation with "street" justice.....Wether you agree with these codes and principles or not, when you in the "game" those r the rules...."niggas in the street, we police ourself"-Jay-Z-
November 9, 2007 4:44 PM
 

Gentle Jones said:

great fucking interview
November 9, 2007 4:51 PM
 

CTs_FiNEst said:

I liked the interview. I read Bumpy's wife said Lucas wasn't shit to Bumpy but a flunky....check it out....good articles in here too.     http://panachereport.com/channels/black_underworld/index.html
November 9, 2007 4:56 PM
 

Fly Boi said:

 
TheOuncemaniak - First off, I already know if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Did I say the man didn't snitch?? No and personally I don't care because it was his neck on the line, not mines. I'm just calling out all of these internet thugs tryna label Frank Lucas a snitch when these same "internet thugs" would snitch on somebody in a minute. And I bet it wouldn't be over facing life in prison. These niggs would probably rat over a traffic ticket. And like Illseed said,

"wouldnt frank be marked for death if he snitched? nicky barnes doesnt show his face or come out b/c he has a contract on his head.

yall know...im not the snitch expert, but frank is out and about and chillin, sitting on about a million hahaha "

Nuff said.
November 9, 2007 5:00 PM
 

Fly Boi said:

It's funny how a lot of ya'll scream out "don't snitch" over the net. But then dudes be rattin the minute something goes down. Just like Gwagaboy said, I see ya'll youngins breakin down on that A&E show (48hrs) everytime it comes on. All of ya'll would rat if ya'll were facing life in prison. So don't try to speak on someone else unless you've walked in their shoes. In the game you can't trust nobody and ain't no honor in it. So you mean that a dude is gonna take a charge for somebody else. AIN'T NO HONOR AMONGST THIEVES!!!
November 9, 2007 5:05 PM
 

dwill1 said:

WE TO YOUNG TO KNOW IF HE SNITCHED OR NOT. WE WERE NOT EVEN THOUGHT OF WHEN THIS MAN WAS DOING HIS THING. GOOD INTERVIEW THOUGH AND THE MOVIE WAS PRETTY GOOD. BUT ALL THESE CATS ON HERE TALKING LIKE THEY KNOW SOMEBODY THAT WAS IN HIS CIRCLE. THIS OLD DUDE COULD BE LYING OR TELLING THE TRUTH. BUT IT DOES MAKE FOR GOOD ENTERTAINMENT BUT NONE OF US HAVE A CLUE SO STOP WITH THE FRONTING AND SHIT. ALSO MR-JAY-Z NEED TO WATCH HIS MOUTH. OLD SCHOOL TRYING TO CHECK A NIGGA.LMAO
November 9, 2007 5:24 PM
 

bksbless said:

I have heard and read various Frank Lucas interviews in the past few months, and it seems that he just adds on stuff and repeats himself from interview to interview. But not in the way that it is fact and he is stating it, but like it is his facts and he is remembering and reciting them as these interviews go along. Dude is 77 years old and I dont think his elevator goes all the way to the top anymore ( if it ever did). He reminds me of that old ass uncle that starts telling his stories of back in the day that are now over exagerated and the only other people that can realy validate or void these things are fucking dead. I think if we want to hear the REAL story, someone should get a hold of the brother or whoever the LT. was. His right hand man should clear it all up.
November 9, 2007 5:28 PM
 

dwill1 said:

@GawgaBwoy770 said:
Bottom line is none of you niggaz know whether or not that man snitched unless somebody he snitched on told you that with court transcripts to back it up..

It's like this too..It ain't about whether or not another nigga would snitch if put in that position..It's about whether you are man enough to take your charge like a man..I ain't snitching on nobody else to save my ass if I was in the midst of things..I watch the first 48 on A&E and y'all young niggaz be getting diarrhea out the mouth before they put any pressure on you..If you a bitch ass nigga that ain't ready to do your time, don't do the crime..Once niggaz start killing muthufucka's kids and family and get back to the old wayz of the streetz I bet you bitch ass niggaz tighten up..       I CO-SIGN
November 9, 2007 5:29 PM
 

prettyboythugx said:

man am str8 from dade county snitching is snitchin telling on someone to get off to me is considered snitching even if its the police because if they working for u or with u then they are part of ur organization and i dont give a fuck if a thousand so called gangsters park in front of my house it is what it is see me i can analize shit and see it for what it is thats why i still got my neck attach just because u a gangster dont mean ur not a snitch, selling drugs is a business how u wanna call it illegal business is still business if them crackers where working for him or wiht him and they didnt rat him out then it is what it is who is gonna quite making millions of dollars come on now u give any man his power and position over 90 percent will turn gangster overnight but it take alot more not to tell on the pople u did business with am not a cop lover but we still gotta see it what it is that is i mean when these cats get rich and use to the goodlife they dont wanna return to a nobody and they will do what ever it take to keep the position that they are in. if everone or basically everyone in ur organization is family what kind fo low life beside nicky barnes snitches on family they was nowone else to snitch on i mean u gotta see the gap and sit back and think yea he is a gansta and a man so he gonna defend himself and say he aint no snitch no one gonna tell u there a snitch a hoe is not going to tell u she is a hoe theres prostitutes who are against prostitution. he probably did run the streets but that dont mean he controlled everyone  no one ever have absolute power on the streets u always gonna have a rival they where just probably at his mercy if he was making all that money
November 9, 2007 5:44 PM
 

MYSPACE.COM/FAMMMUSIC504 said:


FIRST OF ALL I TILT MY BRIMM TO MR. JIGSAW ~ GREAT WORK HOMIE!

SECONDLY,  SNITCHIN' IS SNITCHIN'!!
THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION 4 IT, PERIOD!!!

THIRDLY,  BEFORE YOU EVEN GET INTO DA GAME YOU ALREADY KNOW THE REPERCUSSIONS OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU WHEN (NOT IF) YOU GET CAUGHT (JUST LIKE YOU KNOW IF U TRY DAT DOPE JUST 1 TIME -NOT TWICE, JUST ONCE - YOU GONE GET HOOKED, RIGHT?)

SO, UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO EXCEPT THE BACKLASH OF THE GAME, (i.e., JAIL TIME, cops, robbers, snitches, etc.) *DO NOT* (REPEAT)**DO NOT** JUMP YO AZZ OF DA PORCH!!


-CHUU'CH



HTTP://WWW.MYSPACE.COM/BIGDYCE504
November 9, 2007 5:46 PM
 

BOOTBOY337 said:

@ TreDH.....
   Go back and read the last part you're speaking of..and pay attention this time. It says ***in the movie*** he tells on the police & the Italians. I repeat *****in the movie*****.

Moving on...I'm not a Jay-Z fan in the slightest way, but I'm in no form or fashion a hater..so I speak from neutral ground. All of these rappers...Jay-Z, Rick Ross and every other nigga that does it...should keep the real big time hustlers names out of their mouths. Because they all want to reference these niggas for their own glorified reasons but you ain't never seen none of these niggas put money in the people they referencing pockets yet have you. See..if they got that much respect for those people why you ain't at least trying to help them live a little more comfortable than they are since you know the FEDS took everything they had?? Jay-Z is only sour about the fact that they pushed him to the side when Denzel "That Nigga" Washington came into the picture. And on top of that they blew him off when he offered to make the soundtrack for the movie. I don't give a shit how many supposed "classic" albums he has dropped...he can't hold a candle when it comes to making a soundtrack that captures the essence and time of this type of movie. ***Shout out to Anthony Hamilton*** His song sounds like he lived during those times...real talk. And apparently nobody is mentioning that 2 mafia niggas testified on Frank Lucas. So since niggas want to respect the mafia so much..what do you think about 2 highly ranked mob bosses "snitching"?? And like my man up top said..how do you know what the man said if you weren't there during that time?? Frank Lucas told on the mufuckas that had been fucking him with no vaseline for the longest...like he should have. That ain't snitching..that's pay back with tax nigga. I'm quite sure that all the other "snitching" that came was from them niggas trying to keep that crokked asses out of the slammer, so they wouldn't have to face all the other people they had been fucking over on all levels of the dope game. And since they were shaking people down, the mob has to pay taxes just like any other boss..regardless of what color they are.

Last note...If Jay-Z was so fucking "real" and wants to reference not being like Frank Lucas...why isn't he making sure his man Dehaven is good after coming home. He referenced him in his songs about how homie looked out for him. I guess that's how "real" niggas do huh? All the Jay-Z dickriders need to get that nigga dick out of their mouth and take his and everybody else's music for what it is...just music. Jay-Z is just as foul as any other nigga. He just keeps his nice little corporate image clean so it's more believable.
November 9, 2007 5:48 PM
 

HoodProphet said:

Interesting...

meanwhile Jay Z walking around with his pants sagging trying hard  to relive this shit.

November 9, 2007 6:07 PM
 

JREAL337LA said:

JAY Z "BELIEVE NONE OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE EVEN IF IT SPAT BY ME"
November 9, 2007 6:30 PM
 

K-ozGeist said:

lol Jay-Z should be grateful that he's saying this shit on albums NOW at this point in time, when I read Frank's reaction to that Jay-Z line the first shit I thought about was the movie and fo sho Jay-Z would be laying in a coffin after saying that shit lol

That Frank guy definetly wasn't sum1 to fuck with back then specially if he making more $ than everyone else. He was the biggest of the big. AND he was black to top it off, gotta give him respect for pwning all the italians and the like who normally ran shit over everyone else.

I also agree with an earlier comment, YOU DUDES ARE RETARDED anyone on here feeling bad about Crooked Cops bein taken down is a damn fool and should go jump off a bridge to prove it. I mean wtf I don't mean to sound racist, but is it white folk saying this shit about it being bad cops being told on? I'm hispanic, but fuck that I've seen a damn good share of racism and I know (i hope) no hispanics or black folk be standing up for po-po, SPECIALLY corrupt ones of all things.

If you actually have the balls to come here and hate on Lucas than i can only assume you either white and ignorant/oblivious or you just one dumb ass nigga/spic that's locked in his room all his life on sum herb shit. To not have experienced the type of bullshit cops do. Gd Cops are hard to find, we appreciate Gd cops, but most are rotten and corrupted by their 'position of power' so fuck 'em like Frank Lucas said

If YOU call THAT snitching, then so be it.
Hope yo ass gets it like Diallo, Rodney or that other dude dat was getting ANALLY PROBED WITH FUCKIN SCREW DRIVERS!, then you can wonder about how yo ass ended up fucked, fo no damn reason.

November 9, 2007 6:32 PM
 

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November 9, 2007 6:33 PM
 

D33ZY said:

Frank Lucas reminds me of my grandpa. LoL. I bet dude a still bust a cap in some ones @$$ if he could get away with it. All these folks talkin' about he a snitch need to SIT DOWN!! What he did was pay back meanin' given out facts on the people who f*d him over. Snitch is when you snitch on someone who was down with you. So please get the Snitching vocab right! I respect Frank as a person. Not what he did though. But he's keepin' it real. He is what these rappers and lil niggas around here wish to be.
November 9, 2007 6:56 PM
 

da bul Reef said:

ALL YA'LL PUSSIES WAS RIDIN JAY'S TOP SO DONT TRY SHITTIN ON HIM NOW!! AND RESPECT FRANK FOR THE GUAP HE MADE ALONE IF FOR NUFFIN ELSE!!! HE MADE MORE MONEY DEN ANY NIGGA ON DIS BOARD WILL EVER SEE!!!!
November 9, 2007 7:15 PM
 

chicagolove said:

illseed got a good point
November 9, 2007 7:18 PM
 

Jah Bless said:

i don't think  Frank snitched on his people because dude wouldnt have been walking the streets free like that since 91, since 91 he been out in the open, Nicky cant show his face even Alpo cant come out but Frank Lucas walks all up and down new York like its nothing and no one touched him since he was released back in 91

and i knew Nicky was lying about that Council shit, sad that his boys ain't fill his commissary but it is what it is

good read, and lol@ Frank tellin jay to watch his mouth, i put 5g's Frank wouldnt know Jay-z from a hole on in the wall
November 9, 2007 7:49 PM
 

tha clear said:

watch your mouth mr jay z lol

Hey Frank,

Let that bitch breathe!
November 9, 2007 7:53 PM
 

vega_diamond said:

lol !! Whatch your mouth, watch your mouth watch you Gto Damn Mouth!!!!!


oh ye its on now. I got to handle one of D12's own ... The Fat sloppy bitch out the group.


Now Listen to my Shit. ... Im going to get him next time I go in te damn studio


http://www.myspace.com/starrscream
November 9, 2007 8:06 PM
 

gluvnast31 said:

smh@ AHH trying to spin this shit....it's obvious that jay-z respected him, but merely said he wouldn't of done whut frank had done

1st he said he's more of frank lucas than your typical rapper
2nd he said he's COOL with lucas but wouldn't of done whut he had done....

AHH trying to flip it as if jay-z was straight shitting on dude...and it's sad because homie didn't even hear the track 1st and went with whut they say
November 9, 2007 11:36 PM
 

shani said:

Frank Lucas has done more for the Black community than Malcom X and Martin Luther King combined.
Stop trying to to knock his hustle.
Frankie only ratted on people that deserved it. Who are you do judge? Tupac said only God can judge anything.
And like RZA said Frank Lucas was living the American dream by bringing a high quality product to the community.
How can you compare that with Nicky's watered down low grade dyno?
We as a people people may never achieve the heights that we did in the 70s under Frank's kingpinship.
But we did make strides in the 80s with the crack game. Hopefully more films will be made about some of the superstars of the crack game. Perhaps Morgan Freeman or Samuel Jackson might play the part of some of these great men.
To all my hustlers, keep your game tight and you might get a movie done about you in the future, become part of history.
Always look for new product to introduce to the community and you will be successful. This is what we need to teach the young ones.
November 10, 2007 12:04 AM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

@ shani

Nigga I hope you are playing when you said Frank Lucas did more than MLK JR and Malcolm X..Either that or you are high or retarded..That nigga did more to destroy one city than any nigga in America along with what Felix Mitchell did to Oakland...Other than saying that i'm going to leave you alone because I'm going to believe you are playing until I find out otherwise..
November 10, 2007 1:04 AM
 

AfricanMAn said:

U know what, I saw the movie, F if u call it snitching, but those crocked cops were the ones that alowed those stuffs to happen, so they got what they deserved.
November 10, 2007 1:06 AM
 

JigsawTheGod said:

gluvnast31 - AHH didnt trying to "spin" anything. it was a simple comment and I asked him to comment on a lyric. jay said he's more frank lucas than luda...well thats a strong statement. luda is a rapper. frank lucas is one of the most notorious heron dealers known to us...he allegedly shot "tango" and he did mad time in jail...now...look at this realistically here. jay is more frank than luda...with the exception of...that "snitch" line.

i asked frank his take on it...thats what an interviewer does...asks questions. there was no "spin" and nobody pointed frank in any particular direction. i just asked his view on something thats out there to the masses.

simple and plain.
November 10, 2007 1:30 AM
 

arana roja said:

KJRfromDC said:

Good read....I want to clarify a few things for some of you biased stupid ass niggas....I can't do nothing but respect Frank Lucas' hustle, but bottom line is he is a SNITCH.  No he did NOT ONLY SNITCH ON DIRTY COPS (court transcripts and docs are public record), but even if he did that's snitchin.  You can't justify snitchin by sayin "well I only told on niggas who deserved it".  And for the niggas saying "you don't know if he really snitched", LOOK AT THE MOVIE HE COSIGNED.....It shows the italians get locked up along with the dirty cops.....and secondly, on the TV series AG, they interviewed the REAL detective (Russell Crowe plays him in the movie) who worked with the prosecution and he confirmed that Lucas snitched on MORE than just cops and that his info led to over 50 or 60 (I forget the actual number) convictions.....Wether you literally get on the stand or not, if you provide ANY information that leads to the prosecution or imprisonment of another nigga doing dirty solely because YOU were caught first, you are a SNITCH



This is exactly what I'm saying!
A lot of you young boys need to get a clue.
November 10, 2007 1:47 AM
 

Most Propa M Holla said:

GREAT INTERVIEW.  I will say I believe Frank Lucas, Nicky  Banes seems fake to me and that's just what it is.  Someone above me said it best.  Just cause a nigga go to jail don't mean they ain't running things or don't know whats goin on.  Frank went in Nicky's club and let HIM know what he was gonna do with his product.  Nicky is TRASH.  As far as Jay's line, Jay is his own man, if that what he depicts Frank as, that's his opinion.  I will say if I was in ya position Frank, I may have done the same thing, every man has his price.  Oh, and if Jay was saying he's more hustler than rapper with the Luda line, Jay is a Genius

NJD Representative
M Holla
November 10, 2007 3:54 AM
 

CHI4LIFE$ said:

Some of ya'll are just plain fucking ignorant and dumb as hell. I don't know which dumb fuck said " he's a snitch because he told on the cops that we're working for him". Peep game you fucking fools they wasn't working for the him they were fucking robbing him. I don't blame a muthafucka for dropping a dime on someone that fucked them over. As he said these muthafuckas was trying to screw him he wasn't even trying to fuck with them, they came and hollered at him. I don't give a fuck about no crooked as fucking cops no bitch ass fucking mobsters or no racist white fuck so yeah i would dicked them bitches to. All you ho ass niggas dogging frank for snitching and destroying harlem but wanna give those white mob fucks and crooked ass cops a pass man fuck ya'll in ya pussies ya bitches. Be a real nigga for once and stop capping on your brothers and lets ride down on some of these racist ass white fucks. When you bitches figure the game out then maybe we can get our shit on point.
November 10, 2007 7:01 AM
 

STORMTROOPER said:

What an interview... this should be archived, STRAIGHT UP !!!
November 10, 2007 8:07 AM
 

h_town_playa said:

niggas need to stop frontin like they wouldn't snitch. 99% percent of you is lying, because you would snitch, ...snitch
November 10, 2007 8:45 AM
 

NOSouljah said:

The man did not snitch. Since when is it cool to protect corrupt cops and Italian mafia who don't give a damn about us.
November 10, 2007 9:01 AM
 

Hip Hop Selection said:

Oh cavolo, quì ci scappa una faida con uno dei più grandi trafficanti dei questo secolo. Il magnate Hip Hop Jay-Z, che sta velocemente scalando le classifiche con l'album American Gangster, un album concettuale e un film
November 10, 2007 9:14 AM
 

TheGameNyc said:

Jay-Z better higher a 100 more bodyguards, he seemed to have made Frank mad
November 10, 2007 9:23 AM
 

JREAL337LA said:

OK I FEEL LIKE SNITCHING IS SNITCHING YOU CANT DRESS SNITCHING UP THERE IS NO DOUBLE STANDARD WHETHER IT WAS CROOKED COPS OR WHOEVA THE PEOPLE HE TOLD ON EVENTUALLY LED TO THE CONVICTIONS OF OTHER DEALERS "SOMEBODY'S DADDY, WIFE OR SON," SO TO ME HE IS WHAT HE DID. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WITH US JUST GOING OFF OF HEARSAY AND A MOVIE WE CANT REALLY MAKE AN ASSUMPTION OF WHAT REALLY WENT ON BECAUSE HE "FRANK LUCAS" WILL NOT JUST COME OUT AND SAY YES I MURDERED A NICCA IN 63 IN UPTOWN HARLEM OR YES I DID SNITCH ON A NICCA, HIS FREEDOM IS STILL PENDING SO WE WOULD HAVE HEAR FROM ANOTHER SOURCE WHO WAS AROUND IN THAT DECADE AND ERA WHO WAS AROUND TO KNOW MORE THAN WHAT A GOOGLE BIO OR MOVIE CAN TELL US.
November 10, 2007 1:07 PM
 

JREAL337LA said:

PLIES- "IF A NIGGA SNITCH ON YOUR PEOPLE DONT GIVE HIM NO COOKIE, MURK THAT PUSSY ASS NIGGA DAWG DONT WHIP HIM, HE TOOK YOUR PEOPLE LIVES SO HIS LIFE NEEDS TO BE TOOKEN"
LOL THATS SOME REAL G SHIT
November 10, 2007 1:09 PM
 

Pistolvania 717 said:

I'd snitch on them crooked ass pigs too.  
Fuck the po lice !
November 10, 2007 1:24 PM
 

tumdoggy said:

Tell that young man to watch his mouth. Please watch his mouth. Tell that young man to please watch his mouth. Mr. Jay-Z, tell him to please watch his mouth.......hahahahah, how many times are you gonna say that Mr Frank?

Mr Jay-Z has a slight resemblence to this washed up gangster.
I would snitch given the scenario f#ck you all and your retarded code of the streets, white people live by a different code and still rule you to this day!!

If I was Mr Jay-Z I'd watch my mouth after seeing this interview lol!!!
November 10, 2007 1:42 PM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

@ tumdoggy

Well stay your bitch ass out the streets..See faggot ass niggaz like you are why it's so many brothers locked up..The white folks that rule this country live by secret codes in their secret societies so what's the difference..The only difference is they are running shit on a higher level..So, are the Jews and every other race besides us..Pick up a book and read nigga instead of running around saying dumb ass shit..Ignorant ass niggaz like you are the reason the government has infiltrated and dismantled everything black people do even the good groups..As long as they can count on a Tom like you black people will always get held back...Every other race live by street codes but you wouldn't know that living in the suburbs..
November 10, 2007 2:18 PM
 

KINGDONG said:

GREAT INTERVIEW..........I THINK FRANK WAS CLOVER TO SWITCH THE SHIT A AIR THE COPS OUT......THAT I CAN RESPECT.........BUT WHEN HE TOLD ON THE ITALIAN DRUG KATZ....WHEN HE WAS DOING THE SAME DIRT AS THEM DUDES.........NOW THATS CALLED STRAIGHT SNITCHIN......THAT I CAN'T RESPECT.............AS FAR AS JAY Z....HEY HE TOLD THE TRUTH AND SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS.........BUT JAY! YOU MIGHT WANNA KEPT YA MOUTH CLOSE ON THIS ONE..........AND TO "tumdoggy"AS YOU EXPOSED YOUR OWN SELF.....YOU ARE BITCH MADE.........CAUSE IF YOUR SLANGIN DOPE....YO PUNK ASS SHOULD KNOW....RULE NUMBER ONE IF YOU GET CAUGHT UP AIN'T NO SUCH THING AS SNITCHIN CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THE CONSIQUENCES THAT COME WIT IT IF YOU GET CAUGHT.........SO IF YOU CAN'T BIT THAT CHARGE THEN STAY YO ASS OUT OF THE GAME.............BITCH BOY.........AS FAR WHITE MAN RULING SHIT ..........GO CHOKE ON A THOUSAND DICKS.....BITCH BOY.........I CAN TELL YOU PLAY THE PART OF A COWARD VERY WELL........
November 10, 2007 4:16 PM
 

illseed said:

tumdoggy

nobody rules me - i will body you son!
put you right in a pine box next to abe lincoln.

lol
November 10, 2007 6:30 PM
 

KeepinItDougie19 said:

Good interview, but if Frank snitched on his team, he ain't no different the Nicky Barnes...I can understand snitchin on them dirty cops, but not ya team...All rats should die slow.
November 10, 2007 7:39 PM
 

odoggz said:

Who cares if he snitched. Black cats today are fucking idiots! This guy, like many of this time and current, helped usher in drugs that helped to rip apart the fibers of black life!!! We lost a lot of fucking people due to these drugs and we're not even anywhere where we should be, due to it. Idolizing this guy, and anyone of his kind, is absolutely stupid! Snitching? who cares! He took down bad people, he was bad, it pays for itself there is no injustice in that. If he got innocent people knocked, then fine that's injustice but who cares if he took down more bad people? It's a damn shame that people can't even recite the life and times of Marcus Garvey or Malcolm X, but they can tell you date by date, years dude's were facing in jail, how much they made, how much drugs and blocks controlled and all account of the lives of Frank Lucas or Nicky Barnes. What a shame! Then wonder why kids would rather try to be the next American Gangster than America's Next Top Black Leader.  And this isn't even on some bean pie and smelly oils shit either, this is realizing young black men are fucking doomed! lol
November 10, 2007 8:43 PM
 

DC CA$HVILLE said:

@TUMDOOGGY

HUSH AND MOVE ON TO ANOTHER SITE WITH THOSE STATEMENTS.

PEACE AND MORE HAIR GREASE,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
November 10, 2007 8:49 PM
 

LTBROWN said:

NICE INTERVIEW, JIGSAW!

THIS LIFESTYLE AIN'T SHIT TO IDOLIZE. FRANK'S REMORSEFUL, HA? IS IT BECAUSE HE TORE DOWN HIS COMMUNITY OR BECAUSE HE AIN'T GOT SHIT LEFT FROM IT? I FEEL IT'S THE LATTER.
November 10, 2007 9:36 PM
 

Ualreadykn0w said:

oh boy hes right herion is a very dirty game.
November 10, 2007 10:08 PM
 

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November 10, 2007 10:16 PM
 

PreciseChi said:

Good Interview..more of a conversation...whats ill about this is that he was talking to a real live murderer....fuck...thats nuts......


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November 10, 2007 10:59 PM
 

muzicluvr1986 said:

great interview..one of the only few times i actually read an interview on this site...props
November 11, 2007 1:52 AM
 

shindogg said:

shit confused da hell outta me. he says wasnt no council an nicky barnes(never read bout him so i donno who he iz) wasnt better than him, but then says close ta all da shit in da movie iz fact. like 2 kno wut da [inaudible city] bullshit iz! dumbass interviewer didnt ax him 2 repeat it. its cold how da goverment took shit from frank dat wasnt even in da u.s. i didnt think dat shit was legal. muthafucka aint heard of rap yet rap was used in da movie? datz crazy. i guess he spend all day listenin ta oldies or sumthin. tellin jay z ta watch his mouth, after sayin he aint a "gangster". wut da fuck he gonna do ta jigga if he dont watch his mouth? datz wut i wanna kno! so wut if he did "snitch"? it was in da pre-rap era when nobody knew wut snitchin was. prolly got him less time an crooked cops an italian drug dealers deserve ta be snitched on. it wasnt like snitched on homies or nuthin. shit ppl didnt even have homies then. it was called friends an associates i bet.
November 11, 2007 6:32 AM
 

tumdoggy said:

Mr Illseed, watch your mouth. Please watch your mouth. somebody Tell this young man to please watch his mouth. Mr. Illseed, please watch your mouth..
November 11, 2007 11:51 AM
 

tumdoggy said:

GawgaBwoy770, listen brother, there you have it in black and white, Whites run things on a higher level not in the STREETS. what the hell would I want in the STREETS? or JAIL, is that what blacks are all about? Well if I stay off the streets I'll be no different from you, you seem to spend more time on the internet than illseed himself.
What are the streets about? blacks shooting each other and getting your community addicted to drugs? calling each other ni99as and calling our women b1tches?
What people do sh*t to us and not each other, that's why they keep to secret codes
dumb ass blacks hurt each other and keep it quiet, if you wanna do something real build you community and defend against white domination
November 11, 2007 11:59 AM
 

Kennyredd said:

Good shit! You can paint a horse but its still a horse..just as a snitch. I guess it came down to "strategic snitching"...maybe it was some dude whose life he impacted that tossed a few bucks when he got out for not giving up the street niggas-who knows.. As for Nicky, if you hv a organization, there will always be a chart, his was just called the council-
November 11, 2007 12:02 PM
 

tumdoggy said:

GawgaBwoy770, one last note, I would never rat on a strong black militant group doing good for the community, that I would live for

but drug selling, gun totting "street cats" I would snitch on without hesitation. columbian connects give you drugs to fry your communities' brains and hand the money back to them like a hooker, after standing on the conner and prostituting your self?

I will waste no time putting you behind bars for life
November 11, 2007 12:05 PM
 

tumdoggy said:

bill gates is the richest man, you "allhiphop gangstas" are using his platform to upload your messages. George bush is running shit all day everyday. none of them are from the streets and don't snitch on each other so they can rule US. but we destroy each other on our own, we don't need any help.

Now what black men hold in high regard is drug dealingm degrading our women and being kept in cages like wild animals. We want to embrace all that
November 11, 2007 12:14 PM
 

dadamnfool said:

Frank Lucas snitched on me.
November 11, 2007 12:28 PM
 

Kappagem said:

THat was a player azz interview.  A few things...


A.  Snitch - Honestly, that is a "faulty" line we use nowadays anyways.  Folks be calling any and everybody a snitch.  Frank definitely told of them dirty cops, as well as told on people ABOVE him.  Think about it...The FEDS, CIA, and even COPS aren't just going to break deals with "gangstas" just because they give up dirty cops.  They want the drug kingpins too, and if they catch a Frank Lucas, you can best believe they are going to go after people at Frank's level and higher.  Real talk.  SO stop thinking that Frank ain't a snitch.  I personally applaud the dude, because at the end of the day, he refuses to glorify himself, and he refuses to say what he did was right.  You watch any documentary on this dude, and he will tell you how he didn't realize how many lives he had ruined...because all he was thinking about was the money.  Congrats to him for denouncing that which is/was wrong.

B.  Nicky Barnes be sounding real grimy in his interviews and stuff.  I mean, he sound hella jealous that homey is gettin' all this play, and he don't get as much exposure or anything.  That's what it sounds like to me...jealousy.  Plus, Nicky can't even show his FACE yo!  I mean, he TRULY snitched, and to say because he felt they did him dirty, and f&cked his wife, and all that as a reason?  Get outta here...

Grown men make their own beds.  They don't talk.  If you get into a dirty game, you don't go and become a snitch or tell on other people to save your neck.  At the end of the day, you take your medicine.  YOu made the bed, now lay in it...

AGain, call Frank a snitch if you must. The fact that most of the people he ratted on were cops and mafia big men makes me feel somewhat "better", because they didn't really like US anyhow...

But don't get the game twisted...Frank was dirty....Nicky was dirty...

I have fam that push junk in the streets, and believe me when I say we are killin' our own people for the power of the mighty dollar.

OH, and Jay saying he was more Frank Lucas than Ludacris was definitely him saying he was more of a drug dealer than a rapper, which is why he said Luda is his dude:).  That and the fact that Luda was never a drug dealer or anything like that.  Listen to Jay's American Gangster album, and you'll see what Jay's talkin bout...

And Jay did speak on that situation with Biggs and Dame....it's all in that Vibe magazine.  Well, not ALL of it...but you get the jist of what went down.  Lines are always drawn...
November 11, 2007 12:55 PM
 

Teardrop Jones said:

Alot of niggas on here are assholes, seriously. Frank took that Jay-Z line the wrong way, and Jay never said that he was anything like Frank as far as "kingpinship" is concerned. He only said that he's closer to being a Frank Lucas than a rapper, and that Frank is cool but he wouldn't snitch if he was in his position. Furthermore, I don't care who you snitch on: You are not supposed to snitch, PERIOD. Even Frank regrets doin that, and he doesn't listen to Hip-Hop. Whoever on here talkin' shit about there not bein' street codes forbidding snitchin' before the "Hip-Hop Generation" are fuckin' stupid. Dudes used to get beat and shot to death and be left mutilated corpses for doin' shit like that, and that was way before there was a Jay-Z or any rapper for that matter. If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. Dudes like Jay were smart enough to leave and not get so caught up in the game that they had to resort to snitchin' on others to get out of it. So YOU SAY that Jay don't know what it is and that he'd probably snitch too if he was facin 70+ years in prison, or that he wasn't as big as Frank so he doesn't know what he's talkin about? That's that ignorant shit right there man. I SAY that Jay-Z is a smart motherf*cker, and that he thought of his future as a drug-dealer and where it would take him if he continued after a certain point, and saw Frank Lucas's life flash before his eyes. From there he decided to go legit and took another route, and that's what American Gangster (Jay's Album) is about. He looks back and tells us where he would be now if he never became a rapper and remained a drug dealer. It ain't about wantin' to relive the old days, but more so about him makin' the right choice. Lol, And people talk about Jay goin' back to wearin' baggy pants and shit when this dude been wearin' three piece suits and shit since '96....That shit is crazy. What you wear ain't got shit to do with anything. It's all a part of the swagger that the album has, and it was the same shit in Reasonable Doubt, which is the same type of Young Turbo swagger that most of the people on here been askin' for since a decade ago. I'm not a big fan of Jay, but the criticism that he be gettin' is hypocritical.  


Anyway, Snitchin isn't the worse thing Frank has ever done. The worse thing he's ever done and should be gettin' a bad rap for is sellin' heroin and destroyin' his own people in the process. I hope that the comment made by Shani was a sarcastic one.

I'll address three more things:
1. American Gangster is a classic, hands down. The only wrong Jay did with this album is have Weezy sing the chorus to that Hello Brooklyn shit.....actually, that song overall wasn't too great. Still, the album is fire. Classic is one thing, but perfect is impossible.

2. To people on here sayin' that all the young dudes on here
would snitch if put in the same situation as Frank and all that other bullshit: Get The Fuck Outta Here. I ain't with that snitchin' shit, period. Lol, I know that your comments are indirect and don't address anyone in particular, but I'm a young dude, so that shit pisses me off nonetheless. I wouldn't even put myself in a situation where I had to even think about snitchin' to begin with.

3. As long as there's a high and low class in society, there will be crimes commited, whether people like it or not. It's the lack of money and corruption fueled by power that drive people to do things they normally wouldn't do.
November 11, 2007 4:20 PM
 

nauruhouse.com » Blog Archive » Open Question: Frank Lucas on Jay Z: ‘tell him to please watch his mouth’? said:

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November 11, 2007 5:34 PM
 

cybersapp22 said:

Good interview.
November 11, 2007 6:42 PM
 

baynig4sho said:

jay-z better watch his mouth!lol.
November 11, 2007 7:22 PM
 

poetic skilllz said:

A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY GET MAD AT ME ON THIS ONE BUT THAT LAST COMMENT BY

tumdoggy said:
GawgaBwoy770, one last note, I would never rat on a strong black militant group doing good for the community, that I would live for

but drug selling, gun totting "street cats" I would snitch on without hesitation. columbian connects give you drugs to fry your communities' brains and hand the money back to them like a hooker, after standing on the conner and prostituting your self?

I will waste no time putting you behind bars for life
November 11, 2007 12:05 PM  
  tumdoggy said:
bill gates is the richest man, you "allhiphop gangstas" are using his platform to upload your messages. George bush is running shit all day everyday. none of them are from the streets and don't snitch on each other so they can rule US. but we destroy each other on our own, we don't need any help.

Now what black men hold in high regard is drug dealingm degrading our women and being kept in cages like wild animals. We want to embrace all that

I CANT EVEN BE MAD AT YOU ON THAT ONE..... YEAH ALL THOSE IN THE DRUG GAME HOLLA ABOUT GOING TO GET THIS MONEY AND SHYT AND THEN GET MAD WHEN SOMEONE COMMENTS LIKE THIS BUT WHO DO YOU GET THE DRUGS FROM.. THAT SHYT IS COMING FROM THE WHITE PEOPLE WHO IS DUMPING IT BY THE TRUCK LOADS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITIES.. LOOK IN Y A CITIES.. DO YOU SEE THE WHITE COMMUNITIES HAVE A MAJOR DRUG PROBLEM NO.... AND THEM PILLS DONT COUNT... THAT DRUG SHYT IS ALL OVER THE BLACK COMMUNITY...... YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT NONE OF THESE DRUG DEALERS SAY THEY ONLY SOLD IT  TO THE WHITE COMMUNITY. SO YOU CANT EVEN GET MAD AT TUM'S COMMENT.. HATE IT OR NOT HE'S RIGHT..
November 11, 2007 7:22 PM
 

poetic skilllz said:

A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY GET MAD AT ME ON THIS ONE BUT THAT LAST COMMENT BY

tumdoggy said:
GawgaBwoy770, one last note, I would never rat on a strong black militant group doing good for the community, that I would live for

but drug selling, gun totting "street cats" I would snitch on without hesitation. columbian connects give you drugs to fry your communities' brains and hand the money back to them like a hooker, after standing on the conner and prostituting your self?

I will waste no time putting you behind bars for life
November 11, 2007 12:05 PM  
  tumdoggy said:
bill gates is the richest man, you "allhiphop gangstas" are using his platform to upload your messages. George bush is running shit all day everyday. none of them are from the streets and don't snitch on each other so they can rule US. but we destroy each other on our own, we don't need any help.

Now what black men hold in high regard is drug dealingm degrading our women and being kept in cages like wild animals. We want to embrace all that

I CANT EVEN BE MAD AT YOU ON THAT ONE..... YEAH ALL THOSE IN THE DRUG GAME HOLLA ABOUT GOING TO GET THIS MONEY AND SHYT AND THEN GET MAD WHEN SOMEONE COMMENTS LIKE THIS BUT WHO DO YOU GET THE DRUGS FROM.. THAT SHYT IS COMING FROM THE WHITE PEOPLE WHO IS DUMPING IT BY THE TRUCK LOADS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITIES.. LOOK IN Y A CITIES.. DO YOU SEE THE WHITE COMMUNITIES HAVE A MAJOR DRUG PROBLEM NO.... AND THEM PILLS DONT COUNT... THAT DRUG SHYT IS ALL OVER THE BLACK COMMUNITY...... YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT NONE OF THESE DRUG DEALERS SAY THEY ONLY SOLD IT  TO THE WHITE COMMUNITY. SO YOU CANT EVEN GET MAD AT TUM'S COMMENT.. HATE IT OR NOT HE'S RIGHT..
November 11, 2007 7:22 PM
 

Sly Dred said:

After reading the interview and comments, I think the most disturbing thing about this is that people have more of a problem with Frank Lucas snitching, (and will argue to the death about who he did and didn't snitch on) than the fact that he sold alot of poison to his own community and destroyed alot of lives in the process. Goddamn, is this generation that lost?
November 11, 2007 8:33 PM
 

LTBROWN said:

@poetic skilllz
gettin @ tumdoggy

COSIGN YOU. THEY CAN LIKE IT OR NOT, IT IS WHAT IT IS. HE'S 100% CORRECT.
November 11, 2007 9:18 PM
 

LTBROWN said:

@Sly Dred said:
After reading the interview and comments, I think the most disturbing thing about this is that people have more of a problem with Frank Lucas snitching, (and will argue to the death about who he did and didn't snitch on) than the fact that he sold alot of poison to his own community and destroyed alot of lives in the process. Goddamn, is this generation that lost?

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SHIT'LL MAKE YOU CRINGE HA? :SMH: THE REAL ISSUES ALWAYS SEEM TO ESCAPE THE MAJORITY OF US. WHY IS THAT?
November 11, 2007 9:20 PM
 

MACCAPONE said:

FRANK LUCAS SON IS RAPPER WHAT THE FUCC ANOTHER SNITCHES IN THIS WORLD LOL.......
November 11, 2007 10:05 PM
 

TheKnowledge said:

Damn, this interview was very entertaining.

He seems to be a bit resentful towards Nicky Barnes though. not giving him credit for being the Kingpin he was, refusing to acknowledge the Council's existence without providing logic or follow-through statements.

All in all, I see Lucas as the real "Mr. Untouchable". based on the large amounts of money he made, how he did it (going directly to the source and shipping it through Military connections) and also based on the fact that he isn't living in a Witness protection program to this day.
November 12, 2007 12:02 AM
 

moneybag$ said:

This was a good read.  I think as far as "The Council"...Lucas may have been out of touch on that one.  ConsideringBarnes was around doing it brazy big after Frank went to the box.  Who knows?  I wasn't alive when t was happeneing, but I know what I always heard and read.  However, Barnes could have ben lying about some things...he was a treatherous snake of a snitch.  Regardless if niggas dont take care of you...snitching is a no no.  He had influence...touch something.  
November 12, 2007 2:19 AM
 

The_Game07 said:

Jigsaw, Frank seemed pissed at you... dude will still have his ruthless streak.. careful lol.
November 12, 2007 3:32 AM
 

Grumpy said:

@GawgaBwoy770

He purportedly told his wife (not just some bitch off the street) "There are 4million dudes in NYC...just don't fuck THESE 4 or 5 dudes"

And what did she do? She fucked his right hand man and they both spent up his money.

Since I'm married, that shit carries weight with me.
November 12, 2007 8:10 AM
 

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November 12, 2007 9:41 AM
 

tumdoggy said:

poetic skilllz thanks for seeing the bigger picture my brother,too many black man are happy to be puppets of a system created by a white slave master
November 12, 2007 10:16 AM
 

Smashit said:

When you get caught with 5 rocks & facing 1-3 years and you tell on everybody & they mother... that's SNITCHING!

When you facing the rest of your life in the pen... that's survival!  

It's just too hard to say what the real meaning of "snitch" is today and really who the fuck cares what happens amongst criminals - they know their is no retirement or longevity with the job so why do so many people get mad???  It makes room for the next wave of hustlers aka the revolving door.
November 12, 2007 10:29 AM
 

Tony T said:

Sly Dred said:
After reading the interview and comments, I think the most disturbing thing about this is that people have more of a problem with Frank Lucas snitching, (and will argue to the death about who he did and didn't snitch on) than the fact that he sold alot of poison to his own community and destroyed alot of lives in the process. Goddamn, is this generation that lost?

I dont think they lost...just led astray...if you get what i mean. Lost is to have no direction...LEd astray..is to Be "LED"ASTRAY...& the scary thing is by who?...i dont think its the white man..thats a scapegoat..this is isnt slavery days where we cant read write or comprehend...So by who?....ITS not a hard? just look in the mirror...Lack of education..lack of morals..lack of Knowledge..lack of religon..imagine a generation w/no Christ..Instead ..Glorify thugs..glorify street life..glorify ignorance..glorify The American Gangsta
November 12, 2007 11:35 AM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

@ Grumpy

It don't matter cuzin..That's his fault he married a trifling bitch..She was probably doing the same shit when he was out..What was she suppose to do? Wait on a nigga that got life..Come on man..Let's be for real..He wasn't never going to see the light of day..If it bothered him that much he could've had the nigga touched but to bring down everybody because one nigga fucking your broad is ridiculous..I guess the world i've lived in at times is a lot different than yours..I've had cousins and homebwoys try and catch my chicks out..If they did then oh well, I would cut the chick off. Not try and fight them and get upset because they didn't do shit but take a trifling broad off my hands that I could've learned about in a totally different way..At the same time, none of their chicks was off limits after then..Different societies have different rules and it ain't no rules on females..I hear niggaz saying they lil cut buddies is fair game but their wifey is off limits..Bullshit, if I was married and my chick was trying to fuck with one of my homebwoys I hope he smash because my nigga is going to tell me about it and she's a wrap from there..But a nigga could've found out by getting their Aids results or after finding out the child they've been taking care of ain't there..The game ain't fair but it is what it is..
November 12, 2007 12:58 PM
 

Fly Boi said:

Even if he did snitch, who cares??? That only meant more drugs were taken off of the streets. Some of you are so ignorant that you'd rather someone not snitch and have drugs on the streets, instead of the opposite. Personally, I have no respect for drug dealers or any criminal for that matter. While some of you are so busy celebrating these thugs, crack babies are being born, families are being ruined, and addicts are overdosing everyday. All because some people are too lazy to get an education and try to do something positive for our communities, instead of chasing the fast buck. It's definitely a sad day when people look up to Frank Lucas, John Gotti, and Pappy Mason as their heroes.
November 12, 2007 1:05 PM
 

KJRfromDC said:

I kinda take issue wit folks so determined to accuse a nigga of destroyin his own community by sellin drugs.  But as a street nigga myself who was (yes, past tense) out on the block, YES I agree it's wrong to an extent...but I was walkin around tryin to recruit crackheads and junkies....THEY chose to abuse the drugs, NOT me, nobody put a gun to they're head!....wherever there's a demand/need, someone WILL supply....
November 12, 2007 1:18 PM
 

dwill1 said:

I WONDER IF WE REALIZE THAT ALL THE SHIT THE MOVIE IS ABOUT AND ALL THE SHIT HE SAYS IS PROBABLY LIKE 80% TO 90% TRUE. THIS SHIT IS NOT A GAME OR MOVIE ALL YALL GOT COMMENTS LIKE YALL CAN RELATE, NIGGA PLEASE. THIS WAS A REAL DEAL IN YOUR FACE MURDERER SLASH DRUG DEALER SOMETHING YALL WILL NEVER BE. SO READ THE INTERVIEW MAKE YOUR COMMENT BUT STOP ACTING LIKE YALL HAVE LIVED THIS TYPE OF LIFE. NONE OF YOU NIGGAS NEVER SOLD RICE AND THE ONLY GUN YOU POPPED WAS DUCK HUNT SO CHILL WITH THE MAFIA TALK INTERNET AMERICAN GANGSTAS. LMAO AT YOU IDIOTS.
November 12, 2007 1:35 PM
 

tumdoggy said:

@GawgaBwoy770
white people are about running the governent, running businesses, the stock market, dominating you and me

what are blacks about? not snitching? sitting in a cage and selling drugs? not to forget degrading your women and glorifying pimping?
November 12, 2007 2:28 PM
 

tumdoggy said:

GawgaBwoy770 aint got the guts to address me and debate 'cause I told him nothing but the truth.
November 12, 2007 2:57 PM
 

tumdoggy said:

@KJRfromDC
So instead of building your community, you will help by destroying it.You sell drugs to a depressed broken down junkie, you may have not made him that way but think about this: you put poison in another black man's hands to kill him? how do you live with yourself? and all for money. you get drugs from latinos and whites and you don't burn them, you stand at the corner like a hooker, sell them to your community and give the money to your connect like a good ho!

I hope since your drug dealing days you have turned around and are working on investing in building our race
November 12, 2007 3:10 PM
 

Fly Boi said:

KJRfromDC - No one put a gun to their head, but don't act like selling drugs doesn't make you a part of the problem. If people stopped selling drugs, where would the addicts get their fix?? I'm not tryna preach, I'm just speaking the truth. And selling drugs usually puts you in jail or a grave. Face it, drug dealer life is a horrible one. They'll sell that shit to everyone else, but they wouldn't sell it to their mother or children. They also get all of that money, but can't even enjoy it. Why do you think most of the older drug dealers regret their past??? These are Frank Lucas own words.

"Frank Lucas: I went that route and it didn’t get me nothing. It got me a whole lot of clout and I hurt a lot of people. I don’t want to hurt people no more. I’m very remorseful for what I did. I don’t want to go through that road…I don’t want to do that again."

And don't give me that BS about "the man" and growing up in the hood. I grew up poor in Hollygrove in Uptown New Orleans and that's on the bottom of the map. I worked my ass off to get a better life and now that dream is a reality. I didn't have to do others harm so I could prosper. I look up to people like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!!
November 12, 2007 3:21 PM
 

shani said:

@Teardrop Jones

I don't think you understand Jay's hustle.
You said:
“He(Jay Z) looks back and tells us where he would be now if he never became a rapper and remained a drug dealer. It ain't about wantin' to relive the old days, but more so about him makin' the right choice”

But come on now Jay say right here in Blue Magic: "Niggas wanna bring the 80s back
It's okay with me, that's where they made me at"

On this album Jay is basically saying we need to get back to the glory days of the crack game:

“In my prime, so for that time, I'm Rakim
If it wasn't for the crime that I was in
But I wouldn't be the guy whose rhymes it is that I'm in (that I'm in)
No pain, no profit, P I repeat if you show me where the pot is”

Pray: “One day you'll understand when you become a man 'bout things you have to get you
fast forward freeze frame on my pistol
fist full of dollars ignorance is so blissful
I didn't choose this life this life chose me…
move coke like Pepsi it don't matter what the brand name is
I stand behind mine everything I do I'm a man behind mine”

See you got to understand the hustle. It’s just like how Scarface has been so inspirational to the game.
-Niggas just ignore the ending.
that’s the hustle
How many times Jay gotta hit you over the head to learn you that you gotta get your weight up on the street first to have the "street cred" to be a rap star?
You think he's prayin "lord forgive me?"
ha ha ha He only pray to the rocks, shiny or white.


November 12, 2007 4:48 PM
 

shani said:

@Teardrop Jones pt 2

basically it's like 50 hustled white people with his movie, Jay is gonna do the same, rise and fall of the drug dealer, going on the interviews talking a little about "fallin" or "pray", you know all polite with the suit and tie success story

meanwhile, the hoods are gonna be bangin the anthem:

"we the dope boys of the year drinks is on the house"....


"think O.J. I get away with murder when I sling yay"...

"the roc boys in the building tonight
oh what a feeling I'm feeling life

November 12, 2007 5:14 PM
 

L-GUTTAH said:

I don't know who he told on or what he told but I do know that the american government is full of sht. of course they're gnna say he snitched on street people so nobody looks up 2 Frank(not saying that I do). this is what I know. If he snitched on street people he would be in witness protection and he ain't....

now as far as him only giving info on police, I'm still tryna figure out if that classifies him as a snitch 4 giving up info on dirty, crooked cops who were shaking him down?? personally I like Frank. he definitly carries that swagger of 1 of the original hustlah's from our culture.

Nicky Barnes and the council???? yeah right. like Frank said they wasn't no fkn Gambino's or Bonnano's.
November 12, 2007 7:18 PM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

@ tumdoggy

Come on pimpin..You started off your post by talking about how much of a snitch you would be if put into a situation where you could receive jail time..I just let you know how wrong you'd be for that if you were right in the middle of things like everyone else..I also corrected  you on saying that the white people that run this country don't live by secret codes..There's nothing to debate because I was the one who corrected Shani about  comparing Frank Lucas to Malcolm X first..Then others followed suit..It's like this we all should be living our lives the right way and doing the right things but if you are in those streets there are codes and you wouldn't survive long with the way you think..Everything you're talking about i've already discussed numerous times on here and if you've been on AHH long enough i'm sure you've read some of them so there's no need for me to beat a dead horse....You just make sure you do your part and don't contribute to the destruction..
November 12, 2007 10:09 PM
 

CrenshawCougar said:

loved the movie but fuck this bum ass snitch ass ni99a
November 12, 2007 10:53 PM
 

doeboi5000 said:

there's no such thing as snitching or telling on police or any law enforcement...
November 13, 2007 10:33 AM
 

MISS INCREDIBLE said:

"...where he went so far as to transport near-pure heroin in the caskets of dead Viet Nam vets though the U.S. military."

disgusting...
November 13, 2007 11:25 AM
 

shani said:

FRANK LUCAS MYTHS

http://www.newcriminologist.com/article.asp?nid=2000

According to law enforcement authorities, crime historians, former drug barons and gangsters, including a new book written by Ron Chepesiuk and Anthony Gonzalez Superfly: The True, Untold Story Of Frank Lucas, American Gangster
the movie is based on countless misleading and deceptive stories cooked up by Lucas to claim the fame he really doesn't deserve.

MYTHS

1.He only ratted on DEA agents and police officers. Sometimes he denies testifying against anyone. Contrary to Lucas', story he only gave up police officers. There are numerous newspaper articles indicating he "rolled over" on at least a hundred drug dealers (no mention of any cops charged or convicted).

2. Lucas' claim that his cousin was hung and shot to death by KKK for looking at a white woman has not been verified by this author or other sources who researched the event.
An exhaustive research by author Chepesiuk also failed to turn up evidence that the alleged event happened when Lucas was six, in 1936, and living in North Carolina.

3. Gangster Ellsworth "Bumpy" Johnson died in Lucas' arms. In the American Gangster movie a scene shows Denzel Washington affectionately holding actor Clarence Williams (portrayed as Bumpy) as he is dying from a heart attack.
Chepesiuk responds, "As stated in my book, there was no record of Lucas being present when Bumpy died in Wells restaurant. Press reports of Bumpy's death in July 1968 do not mention Lucas' name. I talked to some old DEA agents who knew Bumpy well. They could not recall Frank Lucas, let alone him ever being at Bumpy's side when he died or acted as his right hand man."

4. A 1986 federal organized crime report stated,  "During the French Connection era from the 1950s-1970s the La Cosa Nostra controlled approximately 95 percent of heroin entering the U.S."
Assuming the government  is correct, how could Lucas dominate the majority of heroin in the Big Apple?
Also, Lucas has often repeated a self-serving mistruth that he broke the Mafia's grip on the importation of heroin into Harlem.
The only drug player credited for attempting to make this happen was Frank Matthews. In 1972 Matthews held the biggest drug dealing summit, in Atlanta, Georgia, to discuss innovative ways to break mob control on heroin so that blacks could cut the mob services from the middle to earn more profit.

5. Here is a million dollar question: Which American player among players in the drug trade created the Asian heroin connection into the U.S.?
In Chepesiuk's  book, Frank Lucas' claim that he alone discovered the Asian connection (a from the movie) Chepesiuk's  investigation, utilising credible documented sources, identifies drug lord Leslie Ike Atkinson, nicknamed "Sergeant Smack" by the DEA as the first known dealer from America to establish the Asian-U.S. heroin connection.
Lucas' story, featured in the New York magazine in 2000 attests to the fact that Atkinson was the guy who turned him on to the Asian drug trade.
He told reporter Mark Jacobson: "Ike knew everyone over there, every black guy in the army, from the cooks on up."
After Lucas partnered up with Ike to transport heroin into the U.S., Jacobson's story characterized Lucas' drug ring as "this 'army inside an army' that served the Country Boys international distribution of heroin shipments on U.S. military planes."

 6. Lucas' lurid stories of  hauling drugs on the plane of then U.S. secretary Henry Kissinger, and concealing drugs among the dead might be true but there are no news articles or government investigation reports that any of his shipments of heroin were found in the coffin of deceased U.S. soldiers.

DEA investigators had heard the rumor about the Atkinson-Lucas coffin connection to transport heroin into the U.S., but no officials  confirmed the rumor, even after DEA investigators once searched the coffins on a plane containing dead soldiers bound for the U.S. 
During this highly sensitive search  no drugs were found.
Today, Ike Atkinson denies  that drugs were ever shipped in coffins, and where this story came from, we may never know.
November 13, 2007 12:37 PM
 

tumdoggy said:

Fair enough GawgaBwoy770, I'll let it rest.... the point that i'm making is that the STREETS are a creation of the white slave master and he's pulling the puppet strings. I consider that whole life beneath me and yes I'd be a super rat to someone who's killing my brothers but would never rat on someone like Malcom X(he said we will never be free unless someone is willing to pay the price, and the price of freedom is at times death-I don't wanna die but if came down to it I'd give my life for my race rather than kill my fellow black man)

case closed
November 13, 2007 3:59 PM
 

tumdoggy said:

for the record GawgaBwoy770, I never said whites dont have secret codes I just said they live by a different code.(and that is to rule you)
You have said you are raising a little girl. Do you want her to grow up in a community without self love? around men who will call her names and degrade her instead of protecting and uplifting?
Our communities are messed up and we need to reform these "street cats" so they can contribute to our community

Okay that was it, I'm out!
November 13, 2007 4:07 PM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

@ tumdoggy

Aight, we cool..We both get each other point of view..My only thing is you aren't snitching if you aren't involved in those type of activities..We were looking at the situation as if you were contributing to the situation and then snitched to save your own ass..That's the way you kind of came off too..But if that's not your lifestyle and you are just trying to keep your loved ones safe then it is what it is..I'd at least give the niggaz fair warning before it even came to that..But don't get it twisted with the whites in power..They will knock their own off to keep their mouths closed on certain topics and situations especially when it comes to helping us..But I definitely understand your point of view because that's what lead me to stop hustling..I couldn't stand being around all that shit and seeing my people like that..
November 13, 2007 11:00 PM
 

Teardrop Jones said:

@ Shani:

I understand that, believe me. I understood Jay's hustle ever since he said he wasn't a rapper, but a businessman. When one of my homeboys told me that he respects Jay-Z because of that line, I replied, "Jay got you wit' that, see that's what he wants you to believe". He may be a businessman, but he's still a rapper at the end of the day.

He may perform on stage and say that he made the album for a reason, yet it's only really about the money to him. That's what you're sayin', right? If so, then that's the problem with most young people. You oppose the theme of American Gangster (the album, heh) because of the negative message it can send to the youth, and I respect that. On the other hand, while there are young people who would listen to Jay's current album and be inspired to sell drugs, I'm a fan of the concept, but I listen to the whole story as opposed to hearin' and bein' brainwashed by the negative message given by the current singles regarding drug dealin'. I listen to those tracks documentin' the inevitable fall from "Success" and take heed to it, just like when Tony died in the end of Scarface. I don't know about other people, but those endings made me think more than twice about ever takin' that route. But I guess that's just me. When my parents were younger, "Scarface" was their "American Gangster". People did the same exact thing in that generation: they didn't care about Tony "Fallin'" and diein' in the end, they only cared about his "Success" and the "Party Life" and such. The thing I remember most about Scarface is how Tony died and the story ended just like that. That fast.....and that's life. The sad part is that even though every person who watched that movie remembers the ending as much as I do, it fails to register in most people's head's. This isn't new, it's always been this way with the media. There has always been a large community of people who think this way, regardless of their skin color or ethnic background. People only care about the money and livin' the good life, no matter what the cost. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin' that I'm not against the negative messages that some of the songs send to some level, but I am against gettin' rid of it just because it makes people feel uncomfortable and shysh like that. I mean really, we could go on forever about this, lol.


As far as the marketin' strategy goes, I understand where you're comin' from. Unfortunately, that's what you have to do to get people to buy your records these days. Everybody wants to feel like they're a part of somethin' big. If not, then they'll just buy ringtones for the songs they like or download their favorite tracks from the album. I really don't know what direction Jay or any rapper should go in as far as lyrical content at this point because there's always going to be a large group of hip hop heads who dislike it for whatever reason, even the smallest.

shani said:

"But come on now Jay say right here in Blue Magic: "Niggas wanna bring the 80s back
It's okay with me, that's where they made me at"

On this album Jay is basically saying we need to get back to the glory days of the crack game:"


You're readin' in between the lines too much on this one. That line goes good with the song, but it really only addresses hip hop at that time, just like his line regardin' Rakim. To say that he's tryin' to bring back the glory days of the crack game is an overstatement; it's really more of him bringin' back the swagger and feel of the music in the Ronald Reagan era. Other than that it's about gettin' people to buy his crack again (his album), and he's definitely succeeded in doin' so. In truth, Jay may only care about the money he's makin' from his album and concerts, but that doesn't mean I can't listen to his album and get a positive message from the story he tells. Nevertheless, songs like "Roc Boyz" and "Blue Magic" will always be the more noteworthy tracks on an album (for most listeners). What annoys me is the notion that if you love gangster rap or watch gangster movies then you're glorifyin' it, but if you love conscious rap and stuff of that nature, you're only listenin' to it. I don't really care which type of rap it is, I'll listen to it as long as it sounds good. I don't look up to artists to teach me morals and the ways of the world. Doin' that wouldn't be fair to them, or myself for that matter.
November 14, 2007 8:00 AM
 

Teardrop Jones said:

@ Shani:

I understand that, believe me. I understood Jay's hustle ever since he said he wasn't a rapper, but a businessman. When one of my homeboys told me that he respects Jay-Z because of that line, I replied, "Jay got you wit' that, see that's what he wants you to believe". He may be a businessman, but he's still a rapper at the end of the day.

He may perform on stage and say that he made the album for a reason, yet it's only really about the money to him. That's what you're sayin', right? If so, then that's the problem with most young people. You oppose the theme of American Gangster (the album, heh) because of the negative message it can send to the youth, and I respect that. On the other hand, while there are young people who would listen to Jay's current album and be inspired to sell drugs, I'm a fan of the concept, but I listen to the whole story as opposed to hearin' and bein' brainwashed by the negative message given by the current singles regarding drug dealin'. I listen to those tracks documentin' the inevitable fall from "Success" and take heed to it, just like when Tony died in the end of Scarface. I don't know about other people, but those endings made me think more than twice about ever takin' that route. But I guess that's just me. When my parents were younger, "Scarface" was their "American Gangster". People did the same exact thing in that generation: they didn't care about Tony "Fallin'" and diein' in the end, they only cared about his "Success" and the "Party Life" and such. The thing I remember most about Scarface is how Tony died and the story ended just like that. That fast.....and that's life. The sad part is that even though every person who watched that movie remembers the ending as much as I do, it fails to register in most people's head's. This isn't new, it's always been this way with the media. There has always been a large community of people who think this way, regardless of their skin color or ethnic background. People only care about the money and livin' the good life, no matter what the cost. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin' that I'm not against the negative messages that some of the songs send to some level, but I am against gettin' rid of it just because it makes people feel uncomfortable and shysh like that. I mean really, we could go on forever about this, lol.


As far as the marketin' strategy goes, I understand where you're comin' from. Unfortunately, that's what you have to do to get people to buy your records these days. Everybody wants to feel like they're a part of somethin' big. If not, then they'll just buy ringtones for the songs they like or download their favorite tracks from the album. I really don't know what direction Jay or any rapper should go in as far as lyrical content at this point because there's always going to be a large group of hip hop heads who dislike it for whatever reason, even the smallest.

shani said:

"But come on now Jay say right here in Blue Magic: "Niggas wanna bring the 80s back
It's okay with me, that's where they made me at"

On this album Jay is basically saying we need to get back to the glory days of the crack game:"


You're readin' in between the lines too much on this one. That line goes good with the song, but it really only addresses hip hop at that time, just like his line regardin' Rakim. To say that he's tryin' to bring back the glory days of the crack game is an overstatement; it's really more of him bringin' back the swagger and feel of the music in the Ronald Reagan era. Other than that it's about gettin' people to buy his crack again (his album), and he's definitely succeeded in doin' so. In truth, Jay may only care about the money he's makin' from his album and concerts, but that doesn't mean I can't listen to his album and get a positive message from the story he tells. Nevertheless, songs like "Roc Boyz" and "Blue Magic" will always be the more noteworthy tracks on an album (for most listeners). What annoys me is the notion that if you love gangster rap or watch gangster movies then you're glorifyin' it, but if you love conscious rap and stuff of that nature, you're only listenin' to it. I don't really care which type of rap it is, I'll listen to it as long as it sounds good. I don't look up to artists to teach me morals and the ways of the world. Doin' that wouldn't be fair to them, or myself for that matter.
November 14, 2007 8:01 AM
 

Teardrop Jones said:

@ Shani:

I understand that, believe me. I understood Jay's hustle ever since he said he wasn't a rapper, but a businessman. When one of my homeboys told me that he respects Jay-Z because of that line, I replied, "Jay got you wit' that, see that's what he wants you to believe". He may be a businessman, but he's still a rapper at the end of the day.

He may perform on stage and say that he made the album for a reason, yet it's only really about the money to him. That's what you're sayin', right? If so, then that's the problem with most young people. You oppose the theme of American Gangster (the album, heh) because of the negative message it can send to the youth, and I respect that. On the other hand, while there are young people who would listen to Jay's current album and be inspired to sell drugs, I'm a fan of the concept, but I listen to the whole story as opposed to hearin' and bein' brainwashed by the negative message given by the current singles regarding drug dealin'. I listen to those tracks documentin' the inevitable fall from "Success" and take heed to it, just like when Tony died in the end of Scarface. I don't know about other people, but those endings made me think more than twice about ever takin' that route. But I guess that's just me. When my parents were younger, "Scarface" was their "American Gangster". People did the same exact thing in that generation: they didn't care about Tony "Fallin'" and diein' in the end, they only cared about his "Success" and the "Party Life" and such. The thing I remember most about Scarface is how Tony died and the story ended just like that. That fast.....and that's life. The sad part is that even though every person who watched that movie remembers the ending as much as I do, it fails to register in most people's head's. This isn't new, it's always been this way with the media. There has always been a large community of people who think this way, regardless of their skin color or ethnic background. People only care about the money and livin' the good life, no matter what the cost. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sayin' that I'm not against the negative messages that some of the songs send to some level, but I am against gettin' rid of it just because it makes people feel uncomfortable and shysh like that. I mean really, we could go on forever about this, lol.


As far as the marketin' strategy goes, I understand where you're comin' from. Unfortunately, that's what you have to do to get people to buy your records these days. Everybody wants to feel like they're a part of somethin' big. If not, then they'll just buy ringtones for the songs they like or download their favorite tracks from the album. I really don't know what direction Jay or any rapper should go in as far as lyrical content at this point because there's always going to be a large group of hip hop heads who dislike it for whatever reason, even the smallest.

You said:

"But come on now Jay say right here in Blue Magic: "Niggas wanna bring the 80s back
It's okay with me, that's where they made me at"

On this album Jay is basically saying we need to get back to the glory days of the crack game:"


You're readin' in between the lines too much on this one. That line goes good with the song, but it really only addresses hip hop at that time, just like his line regardin' Rakim. To say that he's tryin' to bring back the glory days of the crack game is an overstatement; it's really more of him bringin' back the swagger and feel of the music in the Ronald Reagan era. Other than that it's about gettin' people to buy his crack again (his album), and he's definitely succeeded in doin' so. In truth, Jay may only care about the money he's makin' from his album and concerts, but that doesn't mean I can't listen to his album and get a positive message from the story he tells. Nevertheless, songs like "Roc Boyz" and "Blue Magic" will always be the more noteworthy tracks on an album (for most listeners). What annoys me is the notion that if you love gangster rap or watch gangster movies then you're glorifyin' it, but if you love conscious rap and stuff of that nature, you're only listenin' to it. I don't really care which type of rap it is, I'll listen to it as long as it sounds good. I don't look up to artists to teach me morals and the ways of the world. Doin' that wouldn't be fair to them, or myself for that matter.
November 14, 2007 8:02 AM
 

Teardrop Jones said:

@ Shani pt.2:


"How many times Jay gotta hit you over the head to learn you that you gotta get your weight up on the street first to have the "street cred" to be a rap star?"

LMAO, you're preachin' to the choir my friend. I've been complainin' about this since forever. Sometimes I feel like I gotta go out and kill somebody just so people would take me seriously when I say I will hurt anyone who tries to make me look like a herb and kill anyone who tries to kill me. For me that has nothin' to do with bein' a gangster, but rather bein' a man. Wantin' to be respected, and protectin' the livelihood of myself and my family, that's my stand on that issue. But yeah, sometimes I feel like I have to do somethin' real dirty to someone on the streets and go to jail just so people believe what's comin' out my mouth. I feel like that's the type of thinkin' that drives a lot of young people into that gangster lifestyle, they want to prove themselves to the people.
November 14, 2007 8:47 AM
 

CBU Graphics said:

Great interview...ending could have been better tho. no hate

kool 100.
November 14, 2007 9:08 AM
 

shani said:

@TeardropJones

You understood my point. I think you had a moment of clarity on that, most listeners don't and that's what Jay Z's banking on. We all now the dope boyz go crazy for jay Z and Jeezy. Kingdom come got knocked so Jay went for the old  S.O.S formula, what he calls a "moment of clarity" (financial clarity) reminiscing about when he was 18 selling rock on the corner tacked on to a white man's movie concept.
It's like you said. This ain't an album era no more and the kids just download the singles they like for .99 or boost it (and Jay knows it.)
What is "fallin" really about? A red herring thrown for white people (I'm a hustal baby, just want you to know) If you listen closely it ain't even about remorse for what he's doing to the community it's that he knows eventually he's gonna get caught  and should quit while he's "ahead" (and he never even actually gets busted or killed in the song lyrics, just a little ol' feeling of doom).
The final "message" of the song is that it's inevitable there's no way out (real uplifting):

"But this game I play, ain't no way to fix it
Its inevitable that i'm.... Falling"

No way to fix it, the wise man tells us.

But wait... that's not the end of the album. Hooray! it's party time again, "Blue Magic" and "American Gangster". That's the actual note he leaves you on ("You need another fix, you better cop these last two bricks"-Jay Z)

BM:
So what if you flip a couple words
I could triple that in birds
open your mind you see the circus in the sky
I'm Ringling brothers Barnum and Bailey with the pies
No matter how you slice it I'm your motherfucking guy....
My repitition with wrists will bring you kilo biggers....
Trees taped to the visitors
You already know what the business is
Unnecessary commissary, boy we live this shit
Niggas wanna bring the 80s back
It's okay with me, that's where they made me at....
Nah, I don't spin on my head
I spin work in the pots so I can spend my bread...
Chef (chef), guess what I cooked
Baked a lot of bread and kept it off the book....
D.A. wanna indict me
Cause fish scales in my veins like a pisces
The pyrex pot, rolled up my sleeves
Turn one into two like a Siamese
Twin when it end, I'm a stand as a man never dying or admiring these
Last of a dying breed, so let the champagne pop
I partied for a while now I'm back to the block...."

(basic message of the album sated by Pharrell):

"Don't waste you time, fighting the life, stay your course, and you'll understand Get it boy"

(see, this slang flies right by these corny white interviewers who don't know a damn thing, tryin to be cool with the Black man, actin like they know when they don't)


BONUS TRACK, A.G:

"The world is my custy
New Rich Porter
The way I flip quarters"

(what happened to "fallin"?? -don't even tell you what happened to Rich Porter....

He's a hustla baby just want you ta know


November 14, 2007 4:26 PM
 

shani said:

“I’m very remorseful. Sorry I did what I did. I did it. Wouldn’t do it again if it was laying out on the table for me."
-Frank Lucas

"We the dope boys of the year, drinks is on the house"
-Jay Z
November 14, 2007 4:31 PM
 

shani said:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-_JfC7BTiWA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uJtkB1PePx4
November 14, 2007 4:55 PM
 

Teardrop Jones said:

@ Shani:

Yeah, I see where you gettin' at. However, the difference between Frank's quote and Jay's quote is that Frank kept doin' it until the bitter end while Jay got out of it and became a rapper and a businessman. But see, that's the only difference between them-the money. If Jay would've went Frank's route, he'd be right where Frank is with no money regrettin' everything he did and what not. If Frank would've went Jay's route, he'd be glorifyin' himself and braggin' about his success and what he did to get there, and the remorse his shows in this interview wouldn't be there. Power corrupts, and the conscience only sets in after the humbling and humiliatin' fall.

Still, I never take the things said about drug dealin' in the music too seriously. I only take it as comparin' rap to sellin' crack, because the rap game is indeed the new crack game. Everybody wants to rap for a livin' now, the same way everybody wanted to sell crack for a livin' back in the 80's. This makes it hard to weed out the people who rap because they love it and want to be heard through it from the usual "I want to make money like Jay and 50" rappers. I can take some positive things from Jay's current album even though it sends a lot of subliminal negative messages to listeners. Unfortunately, I can only say that for myself.
November 14, 2007 9:06 PM
 

Teardrop Jones said:

About those videos:

It all begins with the lack of money. This is the material world we live in, and it's sad but that's how it is. We'll see shit like this as long as there's a such thing as capitalism.
November 14, 2007 9:12 PM
 

shani said:

Despite the short end of this stick we have in this country we still live better under this capitalism than most of the world and a few of us even make it from rags to riches (but the struggle goes on and it ain't easy out here)
But back in the day, there was The Temptations, Aretha, Sam Cooke, The Supremes, Marvin Gaye, Jr. Walker, Miles Davis, there was a certain hope coming through in the music something that could project a place for us to look toward.

But I don't feel that today. It's a bunch of slick mofukers trying to get rich. I'm not saying the kid don't have talent.
But when you get past some of the party and bullshit there's a lot of of pessimism I'm feelin coming out of his music and it's kind of depressing.
I don't really need people to inform me the streets are messed up either. We've had 20 years of that.
I'm looking for more vision coming through, even if it doesn't come true.
Otherwise you become the living dead, rich or poor.
November 15, 2007 2:48 AM
 

KST2G said:

Pretty good interview.
November 15, 2007 1:30 PM
 

Shtaylor said:

Man first of all Jay-Z need to shut that mouth he just mad that he didn't get the role to play Frank Lucas, and that they carried him on the Soundtrack as well. Jay-Z is exactly what he was in the drug game a hustla a low end nigga he was no where near the level Frank Lucas, Rayful Edmonds, Alpo what ever the cat from Harlem name is he need to shut the hell up and just make sure Beyonce is sittin next to him in that stands at the IZOD center like them white folks told him too in order to part owner. The nigga is just a rapper. He was in the game so heavy he would had been on a Russell Simmons level back in 97 Shut that mouth nigga.
November 15, 2007 3:43 PM
 

RLM $Getmoney$ said:

A snitch is a snitch is a snitch.
November 16, 2007 12:19 AM
 

RLM $Getmoney$ said:

myspace.com/hustlegrindgetmoney
November 16, 2007 12:19 AM
 

liverpool said:

AllHipHop.com: Speaking of rich, can you tell me how much you took home from American Gangster for them using…

Frank Lucas: Naw, naw, naw…that ain’t none of your business. I’m not gonna tell you that.

AllHipHop.com: Alright, I wouldn’t expect you to.

Frank Lucas: You didn’t expect me to, but you did  ask.

AllHipHop.com: You can say no. I don’t mind you saying no.

Frank Lucas: [laughs] I like you man. You alright. You OK. I’m gonna say what I gotta say my way and you do what you gotta do.

AllHipHop.com: Hey, I respect, “No” more than a bullcrap answer.

Frank Lucas: I’m not gonna give you no bullcrap answer.

haha lol that was funny great interview n mr jay -z better watch his mouth.
November 16, 2007 12:26 PM
 

twognzup said:

Lol @ Frank Sonning Jay at the end there.  

No snitchin' Frank.
November 16, 2007 2:34 PM
 

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November 18, 2007 10:19 AM
 

shani said:

can we take this ugly dude's face off features now?
November 19, 2007 12:58 AM
 

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