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Hipster Hip-Hop: Nerds in Rap Paradise?

Friday, May 09, 2008 9:10 AM | 65 comments
By Matthew Kantor

"If Andre 3000 came out right now they'd call him hipster rap,” says The Bronx’s Mickey Factz. “Right now it's a trend for 50 Cent and Lil Wayne to sing with a vocoder. What we’re doing isn’t a trend, it’s real. When 50 Cent raps over beats like this will they call him hipster rap?"


Factz refers to his new remix with the Cool Kids, “Rockin’ ‘n Rollin,” while indicting the buzz term of the moment, “hipster rap.” Factz runs freely when choosing beats (from “Rockin’ ‘n Rollin’s” Clipse-ish accordion all the way to electro and house) and subject matter (from gold sneakers to Sean Bell).

“Hipster Rap” is the box into which a wave of similarly fearless artists including the Knux, the Cool Kids, and even Duck Down signees Kidz in the Hall, have been placed. These so-called hipster rappers are unified by disdain for that very category and by doing what they feel is right for their sound, regardless of eclecticism or consequences.


[Mickey Factz f/ Cool Kids "Rockin' 'n Rollin"]





"Outkast are the trendsetters of the modern era.  Outkast made it cool to be who you want to be and also made it viable. They were able to evolve and...say the way I feel now is not the way I felt two years ago..." Double O (Kidz in the Hall)


 

"It's not about a style of music," says Krispy Kream of Hollywood via New Orleans duo the Knux. "It's about having the courage to bend genres." Krispy is talking about the influence of Outkast on his group and this new lane of rappers unafraid to take chances and be themselves, who across regions took the ATLiens’ artistic example to heart.


http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19815431/secondarythumb.aspx"Outkast are the trendsetters of the modern era," says Double O of New Jersey and Chicago’s Kidz in the Hall.

"The groups that you see now, Outkast made it cool to be who you want to be and also made it viable.

They were able to evolve and they were the first to say the way I feel now is not the way I felt two years ago and I’ll represent that.”


The boxed-in groups and soloists all recoil from the idea of self-conscious, trendy images and the notion of hipster rap. They sound fatigued when answering questions about it but stand unfazed in their creative convictions, whatever bigger stars of who they’re often fans of might say, or what a magazine or two might call them. But they do agree that something new is taking place. “There’s definitely something bubbling,” says Double O. “Every generation has to create their own golden era for themselves.”


http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19815424/secondarythumb.aspx“A lot of us are definitely coming from a more artistic side of things and trying to keep it creative,” says Mikey Rocks of The Cool Kids, a duo hailing from Michigan and Chicago.

“People group artists like us into this hipster rap category which is associated with not being able to rap very well, you’re all about crazy clothes, or looking a certain way.

They judge artists like us right from the beginning based off of appearance or a name without peeping the music. It’s human nature to put things you haven’t seen before into a category or a group.”


http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19815442/227x375.aspxThe Knux prize musicianship and a self-described garage band aesthetic over lyrical acrobatics, though Almillio is confident he can “swallow n****s all day” and Krispy is the same.

 

The rest of the aforementioned MCs are similarly assured. But there’s not necessarily a sound that holds everyone together.

 

The Cool Kids appeared from nowhere last year with Afrika Islam's keyboard and a dusty song about bikes called “Black Mags” that they rode all the way into a Rhapsody commercial.

 

Mickey Factz is a rapper who takes his Bronx heritage seriously but is free from convention. Kidz in the Hall are signed to Duck Down, sample Masta Ace, and collaborate with everyone from Bun B to Black Milk.

Given all this, an ethos rather than a specific form of music links everyone together.


[Cool Kids "Black Mags"]





“I don’t think there is a general sound because everyone’s doing their thing. The Cool Kids sound is not the Knux sound is not the Kidz in the Hall sound is not the Kid Sister sound is not the Spank Rock sound,” says Double O.
 

“It’s not the sound of the 90s but it’s the feel of the 90s,” adds Rah Almillio of the Knux. “It has that ‘95 feel, it’s natural not contrived. You didn’t know what was coming next then. Everyone strived to be different from the other artists.”


"You can be good but not original. Give me something to intrigue my ears already,” says Almillio. “The word I hear most about our sound is 'refreshing.' People use the word refreshing to describe our music. That's a good word."

“Kanye, Pharrell, and Lupe opened up doors because they were among the first successful artists that made it okay for black guys to be different. Before them it wasn’t okay to be an eclectic black guy.   They allowed the public to see that there are black artists that aren’t on the same old Hip-Hop thug s**t.” -Mikey Rocks (Cool Kids)


 

Along with Andre 3000 and Big Boi, Pharrell Williams and Kanye West are antecedents that align these new outcasts. This is in addition to the benefits of the Internet era where artists can develop themselves and reach fans free of industry constraints. The Internets may have killed the music industry but not music itself. This factor combined with the new rap icons’ presence definitely created a space for these neophyte acts.  


“Kanye, Pharrell, and Lupe opened up doors,” reasons Mikey Rocks, “because they were among the first successful artists that made it okay for black guys to be different. Before them it wasn’t okay to be an eclectic black guy. You couldn’t wear different clothes or address certain subject matter. These dudes opened up a whole new door for black artists to be who they are and I really appreciate that. They allowed the public to see that there are black artists that aren’t on the same old Hip-Hop thug s**t. It’s become more acceptable to be able to tell your own stories, you don’t have to tell this pre-made rap story.”

[CRS "Us Placers"]




 

“The internet let’s people do what they want and also because of the Pharrells and the Kanyes, people can get out there and be themselves,” adds Double O. “It’s reality rap in a new form.”


“The new revolution of file sharing and MySpace and the credible blogs helps us,” adds Rocks. “It’s a direct window from the artist to the listeners, if they don’t like it they’re gonna tell you about it. It’s a no holds barred connection, it’s not watered down, it’s not your publicist talking. That honesty is a good thing.”

[Kidz in The Hall f/ Bun B, the Cool Kids & Pusha T "Drivin' Down The Block Remix"]






Rocks is confident in his B-boy stance no matter how others take his rhymes or regardless of what he’s wearing. However, there are trends in style and clothing that get thrown into the hipster rap box with the groups named, to the artists’ shared dismay. The fashion is often termed retro and is casually spoken of as those tight pants and funny colors. Add to that mix scarves, punk rock belts, snug shirts, multi-colored Nike dunks and a general 80s sensibility and you provide easy fodder for the industry’s reigning gangsta rappers, the Game and G-Unit, even if they’re perhaps commenting on a media designation, or a clothing style, rather than anyone’s specific music.


http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19824933/secondarythumb.aspx“I work with Kanye,” the Game recently told AllHipHop. “You know the leader of the hipsters and that’s my man.

I leave the little mini-hipsters to everybody else man.”

“It bothers the f**k out of me,” says Lloyd Banks, who also offered his opinion to AllHipHop.

 “Think about an aspiring artist, somebody that’s right now with the pad and he had Biggie and Pac, he had 50, he had Snoop. Then the s**t changes up. What do you write about...the n***as wearing glitter belts and tight a** pants?”


“Them n***as need a new name first,” said the Game in his interview, proving that him and G-Unit can at least agree on one thing. “The hipsters that sound like a f***in group at the convalescence home or some s**t - the hipsters, [them] n****s better not be like, ‘Yo I’m a hipster.’ That ain’t cool.”


The rappers thrown into the hipster rap mix generally and ironically agree with the Game about the term of the day. Some established artists are defenders of retro curiosities though, like Immortal Technique, himself sometimes labeled a “conscious rapper.” Despite truly being a hardcore CNN for current events, he sees looking backwards as something positive.


http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19824970/294x375.aspx“People sh*t on them, I guess what they call Hipster Rap or whatever the f*ck it is,” says Tech.

“I think it [prompts] a lot of people to look into the history of Hip-Hop because that’s been the big issue... 'If you’re really making a tie to the 80s'…well then let’s talk about what the 80s is.

Now a lot of rappers are becoming aware of the fact they have to be accountable for what they say and they have to do the knowledge.

So it’s reverberating inside the minds of kids.

Kids want to know more about that political era that Hip-Hop came out of; about the things that were going on in the black and Latino community during that time.”


Tech also adds: "If it comes at the price of some people that are confused about fashion or whatever... I don’t want to wear tight clothes but who the f**k am I to criticize anybody else? I’m not here to point fingers at nobody because when you do that, there’s three fingers pointing back at you."

[De La Soul "Ain't Hip To Be Labelled a Hippie"]





http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19824916/secondarythumb.aspxOnline will be the forum where the most hate and debate on these groups takes place.

It is worth recalling that a group named De La Soul once eschewed the Uptown drug dealer fashions of LL Cool J and Eric B. & Rakim for something more related to their daily lives, and sampled across genres in their music.

Revisionist history aside, De La Soul were labeled as “hippies” rather than hipsters. Even then, it boiled down to the oft-asked question of what was Hip-Hop and what was not.


That said, the MCs and producers down to the one are non-discriminating Hip-Hop junkies. Krispy and Almillio lovingly quote 2Pac and mention how “you feel Pac in your bones,” as well as giving full and unsolicited props to Scarface and Juvenile. Mickey Factz emphasizes that he didn’t grow up a hipster and that he listened to Rakim, Nas, and Biggie. Mikey Rocks says, “As soon as I was born, my parents were playing Slick Rick, I was born into this.” Kidz in the Hall are students of the genre who can analyze its every aspect in conversation. These acts are Hip-Hop purists at heart.

“The poetry of Hip-Hop. It doesn’t matter whether I rhyme over a rock track, boom bap, something futuristic, an electro beat or accapella. It has a certain feel to it when someone is passionately pouring his heart into his words... The voice is your instrument, the poetry is the instrument.” -Naledge (Kidz in the Hall)


 

“If you can move a crowd with words, that’s the key,” says Kidz in the Hall MC Naledge. “The poetry of Hip-Hop. It doesn’t matter whether I rhyme over a rock track, boom bap, something futuristic, an electro beat or accapella. It has a certain feel to it when someone is passionately pouring his heart into his words talking about his lifestyle or someone else’s lifestyle, telling stories, words rhyming. There’s a way it’s done. The voice is your instrument, the poetry is the instrument.”

They also share strong opinions on rap versus the rap game.

“We need to stop supporting people that don’t respect our craft,” says Almillio. ”Go ahead and hustle but don’t mess up our thing.”

“Put this in there for me,” says Krispy. “We don’t worship money.”

Kidz in the Hall’s new video for “Driving Down the Block” from their latest album, The In Crowd, debuted on TRL of all places, the Cool Kids sell out shows all over the world without an album [they’ve recently announced The Bake Sale EP on Chocolate Industries will be available in June], the Knux have a deal with Jimmy Iovine’s Interscope, and Mickey Factz continues building a strong live and on-line buzz. These new rumblings may have mass appeal in an era where Hip-Hop for everyday people stands out.

[Kidz in the Hall "Driving Down the Block"]





“I come from a city where things do happen,” says Almillio. “But you hear people talk about how I came out the door and some n***a let off some shots and those things went on but nobody talks about the rest of it. So are you really real?”

“I’m human,” says Factz. “I can speak on Sean Bell and on buying a sneaker made of gold that you wear like a chain on the street and then I can talk about struggling to pay my phone bill and how today I have a job interview and I’m gonna skip on it. People are gonna relate to it because it’s real life.”

Though the artists reject the hipster rap category, they’re not wasting too much time on it. Regardless of where the movement goes or what it’s called, they for now have lofty role models and a down to earth approach and attitude that focuses on the art form.

"People are afraid to be different. But we’ll take the bullet,” -Krispy (The Knux)

 


http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19815471/secondarythumb.aspx“When Rakim came out, no one had his flow or his swagger, everything was totally different,” says Mickey Factz.

“When Biggie and Nas came out, everyone was trying to sound like Fu-Schnickens and Das-Efx.

Certain people had a set idea of how they wanted to rap and they changed how rap was looked at from then on.”


"People are afraid to be different. But we’ll take the bullet,” says Krispy.

“We’re staying on the move,” says Mikey Rocks, “and continuing this grind with the music. The music is the most important because nothing is possible without it. We keep that at the forefront.”

[The Knux "Cappucino"]





[Mickey Factz "The Flood"]







Comments

 

richie sick said:

gay rappers officially have a lane now!

i'm not mad at it.  shit, i banged heiro back in the day just like i banged de la.  i still bang some of these "hipster" type groups anyway (pharrell, kanye, etc.).  at the end of the day, i care about the music.

but i'm not buying into the image and the label and all that shit.  i ain't walking around with some tight jeans and shirts on, and glitter and all that shit.  i'm cool.  make the music.  i'll pass on the lifestyle.
May 9, 2008 9:32 AM
 

apple001 said:

He is playful,right? he is a hot member of the celeb dating club http://www.marrymillionaire.com
 he has dated several hot girls on that club.
May 9, 2008 9:34 AM
 

stylez75 said:

A new alternative. I actually like this new thing that's out. The one thing that somewhat bugs me out is that these cats somewhat trying to bring back the late 80s without the 80s sound "Although they may think that". I'm a huge fan of Mickey Factz "Shouts out to Steve-O", Kidz In The Hall, Kanye, Lupe, and The Cool Kids. The one thing that's funny though is that Andre 3000 is getting credited for this too. I think he's in a lane all by himself. If one wants to rock Capris with knee-his then you might look suspect
May 9, 2008 9:47 AM
 

Truth Jenkins said:

I don't listen that type of rap cause personally I think it comes off hella lame.  It's like if you walk past an art school, all the students are dressed weird cause they want to be individual and different.  But in their colective "difference" they all pretty much come out similar.  It is a galant effort but seems to be wasted on a simple "style".  They are the snap music of non-southern rap fans.
May 9, 2008 10:18 AM
 

Esq. of LastLeveL said:

In my eyes, this is no different from trying to label somebody as a 'gospel' rapper or a 'gangsta' rapper. I personally think it's stupid. Hip Hop is what it is, and as diverse as it gets, at the end of the day, it's STILL Hip Hop. Hip Hop is LIFE, so if you speak about life, then to me, you're a rapper/emcee, (same DAMN thing.) I'm a MULTI-DIMENSIONAL dude myself, so I like Pac, Immortal Tech, Lupe, Kanye, Nas, Jay, and a plethora of other MC's. The genre stretches far, wide, and inbetween, with many subcultures and such, but as long as it's all original, and good music and with it.
May 9, 2008 10:18 AM
 

Majesticbeatz said:

I'm a Hipster that don't were them tight ass pants!!!
The small dude in cool kid's looks as if he wears women's stonewash!!!
That's That Gay Shit!!
WHAT'S FUNNY HALF OF THE 80'S WANNABES WEREN'T EVEN BORN AND THE 80'S AND THESE CATS COULDN'T EVEN TELL ME WHO THE HELL D-NICE OR JOESKI LOVE IS AND THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN THE HARD VERSION OF THE LL COOL J I KNOW!!!

BUT WITH BEING SAID! " CAN YOU LIL BITCHES THROW THOSE OVER SIZED CLOTHES AWAY"

I'M TALKIN TO YOU 180LBS NIGGAS THAT WEAR A SIZE 6XXXXXXL YOU LOOKIN LIKE A FUCKING CLOWN IN A GOWN!!!

May 9, 2008 10:31 AM
 

Omggg said:

he's ok nothing special just because your different as far as style doesnt mean ur hot he's spittin about everything everybody else does material things no substance biatches
May 9, 2008 10:45 AM
 

Freeway Pinky Ross said:

*cough* LAME *cough*
May 9, 2008 11:15 AM
 

Esq. of LastLeveL said:

Also...I can't FUCKING stand that Black Mags track. That shit is annoying.
May 9, 2008 11:37 AM
 

mu$h da great said:

I don't think artist should be classified as hipsters cause mainstream media finds the art in there craft different but @ the same time creativeness is the key. its key to keeping music  fresh & entertaining.you can't really knock mufuckers for wanting to do there own thing, or for not wanting to be like everybody else musically. you need lupes, kanyes, rhymefests, pharrelles etc. cause everything is not for everybody. if it was  what would existence be like?

as far as all this retro bright colored clothing, me personally I can't condone  a lot of it cause that's jus not me but to each his own. what i have a problem with is mufuckers being mindless sheep that blatantly just do whatever they see niggas on tv do. if your all of a sudden wearing pants that are tight around the ankle  acompanied by a smedium shirt with a gothic art print on it, with a skull chain attatched to your belt loops you are officially a crash dummy. its not even so much the styles its just that fact with anything that gets any type of tic some people jus change up who they are based soley on what there favorite rapper is doing. kanye for example has his own style which for the most part was criticized/ & not respected when he first came out, now that he's a little bit more popular all you see is a bunch of me toos runnin round. not rappers but regular mufuckers. these are the same characters that were rocking jeans, blazers, & button ups  claiming shit is grown & sexy because there favorite rapper dawned the same attire . not because they have matured & have grown in to therself but because another mufucker that is breathing the same air as them is doing it. as long as weak minded people continueing idolizing "stars" the shit will continue but I guess. all I'm saying is do you. if you like wearing bright colored clothing or mo hawks or whatever do it because that's truly what you like not cause that's what the masses are doing or cause that's what your favorite rapper is doing.  you get further in life if you remain honest to yourself.
May 9, 2008 11:44 AM
 

mu$h da great said:

with that being said I hope the aformentioned artist continue to make music that people enjoy.
May 9, 2008 11:46 AM
 

Scott Scotch said:

I like some of the "hipster" ish that's dropping- including the clothing, but the recent flood is going to increase the gimmicks. And like every other trend that has gone through hiphop, the will be overdone until it's corny.

The funny thing about tight jeans is that in the 80s that's all we had. Baggy jeans didn't become the norm until we (hiphop) made it that way. And subsequently, the trend forced clothiers to change the way they handled business.
May 9, 2008 2:19 PM
 

Christo said:

Listen, ANYONE in this game can be different by just "naturally" going left--but you have to be respected first in order to do that. Cats like Andre 3000, De La, and Lupe can be electic in this game because they have established themselves in this game--in other words, they could LITERALLY rip you to shreds. You can enter this game wearing a fucking mailman outfit, but if people know you can't be fucked with lyrically and you're putting out some thorough shit in your music, then it's like, "Okay, dude's walkin' around in a mailman uniform, but that n*gga can spit!" And on that note...I'm originally from TX, but I'm currently in LA, so--I am ALL too familiar with this (Hipster-Streetwear) movement. (ahem, Melrose, Fairfax, Long Beach) I ain't gon' lie. I do rock the Crooks & Castles and the 501 levis, but I ain't on no corny shit like the rest of these cats that are shown on this article. They are the PRIME example of what this Hipster movement is...TRYING TOO HARD. Instead of letting the music speaking for themselves, (which is wack anyway) they'd rather wear clothes from an era they weren't even born in! I was born in 84, but you're not gonna see me in any airtight-red levis! I'm a grown-ass man! In my opinion, they're the underground equivalent of this mainstream garbage. HIP-HOP is NOT a FAD....Hipsterz are! That's why this shit is corny, because this movement is associated with "a fleeting fashion trend".
May 9, 2008 3:16 PM
 

Tommygoofano said:

Its better than listening to a fake gangsta telling you to do sh&t they wouldnt have the balls to do.

The knux Cappucino...

Banger yo.
May 9, 2008 3:22 PM
 

Young Caine said:

Co-sign Mush...all niggas gotta do is be YOURSELF!!!
May 9, 2008 3:30 PM
 

BLUNTBLAZER said:

I LIKE WHEN THERE IS VARIETY IN THE RAP GAME
RAP HAS DIF GENRE WHY SHOULD EVERYONE SOUND THE SAME
YALL LEFT "THE PACK " OUT THEY ARE TREND SETTERS I DONT KNOW BOUT THE HIPSTER LABEL DONT SOUND RIGHT.

WWW.MYSPACE.COM/THAGRINDAHOLIC
THE GHETTO PROPHET
May 9, 2008 4:07 PM
 

Tommy K. said:

I don't mind versitilaty in Hip-Hop because everybody can't sound the same.
May 9, 2008 4:33 PM
 

bksbless said:

aint shit cool about looking like a gay ass nerd. These artists will never be mainstream. First of all, hip hop is supposed to be a representation of the stree. REAL niggas dont dress like that. And we can get into the definitions of "real" but the bottom line is only the outcasted, never able to fit in with nobaody else, misfit ass niggas resort to this homo style and claim they are trying to be different. Its only "different" if your the only one doing it. otherwise you are as much a follower as the "thug" . Keep it real with ya selves and maybe a muh fucker like me would respect it at least a little bit. You aint foolin nobody, yall niggas just want to be accepted and it just so happens that homos and geeks take everybody. two fingers.
May 9, 2008 4:57 PM
 

bksbless said:

oh, and for the record. the music is ass wack. Lets go. Bk stand the fuck up. two fingers!
May 9, 2008 5:02 PM
 

J-Boogie The Cancer said:

The tight pants i cant fuck with. But overall im glad that we have some artist who still want kick that real hip hop shit. i much rather listen to them than Soulja boy, Vic or any of these wack ass ringtone rappers. They are just trying to preserve that formula that made me fall madly in love with Hip Hop. ORIGINALITY
May 9, 2008 5:30 PM
 

neqquah said:

See, most of yall are falling for the same shit that this article is talking about. Yall putting them into that "80's wannabe/tight pants wearing hipster" box. They never said that they were about that shit. That's just the image that the industry is trying to put on these guys to make them seem "uncool" because they promote what the industry is absolute afraid of, INDIVIDUALITY . That's the last thing they want because if you are true to youself then they cant control what the masses listen to.

Whenever a rapper isnt "hood", "street", "thug", "gangsta"....the industry put an "uncool" label on them....they call them "conscious rappers", "political rappers", "backpackers"....and now they have a new term with "hipster".  dont fall for the mind games

These niggas aint trying to put out an image and make it a trend, they just being themselves. That's why I respect them. They not trying to diss niggas like Jeezy, Plies, Shawty Lo..., they just make the music they wanna make and keep it movin. As long as you do you, these niggas aint gonna have a problem with you. That's what separates them from the typical "holier-than-thou" backpack rappers.
May 9, 2008 5:42 PM
 

FS1 said:

It's funny how people criticize people for just being themselves.  If these same guys came out talkin' that same nigga shit that continually tries to defamate the face of the black community, ya'll would be calling them fake gangstas.  It's like your damned if you do, and damned if you don't.  That's why I could give a fuck about what a person thinks about me because you simply can not please everybody.  

But I got a beef with the term "hipster".  That term is wack as fuck.  Who came up with that?  I'll bet not one of the aformentioned groups actually came out saying "Hey, we gon' bring that hipster shit out on these people yo!".  C'mon man!  How about we keep it simple and just call it...I don't know... HIP HOP!
May 9, 2008 7:34 PM
 

kakez said:

I'm curious to know if, when all the 80s hiphop started, if people were thinking about what kind of jeans people were wearing, or just listened to what people were speaking. It seems that people started caring about that when it became the norm in hiphop to talk about money, bitches, drugs etc. Now the last thing i ponder is how soon we will hear Game, Fif, etc. change their style up? Hopefully soon, because all that shit is 'soo 2003' lol. G-rap had its time, its left the building, a new cat is coming in, being original, lyrical, deep, and ill. To pass judgement on clothes is the same as skin is the same as anything, so who cares? If you just hear the music and dont see what cats look like, what do you think? If you dont like it, cool, if you do cool, doesnt really matter, music was here before us, music will be here after us. Did mozart and bach bitch at each other for curling their hair or wearin the green penny loafers instead of the brown?
Think bout if for a sec.
peace.
May 9, 2008 8:23 PM
 

musiK BS said:

it jus seems like everyone is tryin to hard to be different... its the cool thing to be.. everybody jus needs to be themselves and stop tryna immitate other ppl
May 9, 2008 8:48 PM
 

Savere said:

I mean firstly to be classified as creative is to be seen with the shit not 2 be heard. Thats like givin ur on self a nickname its kind cheesy let ur eclectic style speak for itself dont force it upon others.  3 STACKS didnt encourage nigz to be runnin roun wearin turbans and bow ties and shit he was just doing what came natural to him
May 9, 2008 8:53 PM
 

B4rm954 said:

real niga dis real niga dat, yall sound lik hoes talking bout how another man dress dis is allhiphop les talk about music. listen to Mickey Facts mixtape dat ni9a is a beast on da mic
May 9, 2008 9:08 PM
 

Markez EO said:

Good music,real music,GREAT HIP HOP MUSIC, would shut all the naysayers down, ask Andre 3000 and Kanye.Hell, look what Kanye did to 50 that all those gangsta-thug rappers couldn't!
May 9, 2008 9:38 PM
 

BossSwagga said:

niggaz is hatin on niggaz swags now....I dress so called "hip-ster" and I get bitches....but im a product of my environment, Im from Harlem!! I like to get fly for the bitches and I like lookin good I know thats not a bad thing.....I thought this was a website about music....I support individuality and bein urself witout being fake wit it.....Im Fly I look like money and if you hatin on that u at least gotta respect it......

To the fly Generation.
May 9, 2008 11:23 PM
 

Myspace.com/Ijemin said:

we all said we needed to be creative...and these dudes did jus that...plus i fukks wit the cool kids
May 10, 2008 3:07 AM
 

itsonlyentertainment said:

who gives fuck what these niggaz do the question here is how successful is this whole movement going to be.
There is this desperate attempt to try to be diferent and i am for trying new things, all these dudes need to deternmine is what the purpose of what they r doin is. Is it to
1 sell records (wish em all the best....I really mean it)
2 express themselves (we got problems too, so what?)
3 form an identity and in the process make it cool to be a nerd
(really and trully who wants to be a nerd?)
In everything u do before doing it, u establish a goal that is both realistic and also beneficial
This is entertainment not fucking therapy, sex & violence are the backbone of American entertainment all this creative, vegetarian rap is recycled bullshit.
This looks like a repetition of the native tongue movement so how creative is it
May 10, 2008 3:30 AM
 

DeadPresidentsRD said:

"
it jus seems like everyone is tryin to hard to be different... its the cool thing to be.. everybody jus needs to be themselves and stop tryna immitate other ppl" co-sign
May 10, 2008 6:29 AM
 

ron art said:

"If Andre 3000 came out right now they'd call him hipster rap,” says The Bronx’s Mickey Factz."

1000% bullshit
May 10, 2008 7:14 AM
 

Tommygoofano said:

Nyggas gotta switchup some time yall so called thugs have messed the game up. Cant go to the club with out it getting shot up. etc.
People are tried of hearing I shot so and so.
Time to have some fun again.
May 10, 2008 8:45 AM
 

hewhoIS said:

all i know is I live in the south. I feel like I can't listen to the radio nowadays with the ishhh they call music. I'm open to some new shit where lyricism, wordplay are emphasized. Plus I'm tired of musicians rhyming about how much money they got... fuck that, that's my 9.99 you rhyming about. Done with that shit. Most of the shit now is on some fake ass shit. So I welcome artists that don't feel the need to compromise their art for industry execs-telling them how to be.
May 10, 2008 11:06 AM
 

neqquah said:

to the people saying "everybody is trying to hard to be different"....SINCE WHEN!?!?! lol to me for the past 5 or 6 years it sounds like everybody is trying to be like everybody else!

These dude aint "trying" to be different, they ARE different. They're not trying to make cool to be "different", they're trying to make it cool to be yourself....even if you are different.
May 10, 2008 11:41 AM
 

Hoodgrown said:

I don't mind niggas being themselves because too many of these niggas frontin as thugs are fake!

Some nigga on this forum said when was it cool to be a nerd? When you grow the fuck up... that's when. Being a thug ain't the end to all end either.

Sure being a thug is popular when you a young nigga. The chicks like that shit.. and the thug niggas get all the chicks. But by the time niggas hit like 30 and the thugs are dead or in jail asking their girlfriends to sneak drugs in their pussies, or out on the street and can't get a legal job or even hold down a family.. niggas don't seem so appealing then. Cause regardless of what you niggas believe... more than 90% of us won't have a successful music or sports career.

The ladies who were only looking at the thug niggas when they were younger now start looking at the "nerd" niggas who have the houses, the condos and the cars. Cats with money in the bank who can hold down a family take vacations overseas and the whole nine.

So don't put down them "nerd" niggas cause as cats grow up... they wind up having the last fucking laugh....

And that's not to put down niggas on the street... cause if you've survived the game without fucking up your life and have elevated yourself. That's whats up! That's what you supposed to do.


But I grew up in the projects in Queens during the "Fat Cat" and "Supreme Team" era. Me and my peeps have moved, all have kids and familys now. It's depressing to go back and see niggas that you grew up with still living like they was 18 years old.

In the same places that they was in 15 fucking years ago. No progress. Nothing. A new car maybe... but still in the fucking projects chasing these little bitches.. while their wife is going to work to support the kids.


Better question nigga... "When does it finally make sense to leave all that thug shit alone?"


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May 10, 2008 11:44 AM
 

Hoodgrown said:

Also...

I think is the media placing this hipster label on niggas which make the shit sound weak. But ain't nothing wrong with being different... shit they way these frontin ass niggas want to portray it...everyone in the hood is "gangsta" and niggas know that ain't real.

Even the project is full of different types of niggas... so why shouldn't the music be?

The thing about when De La Soul came out... street niggas was bangin that. It wasn't nothing to see a nigga with De La Soul, Epmd, NWA or a Public Enemy cassette in their car.  That's cause we loved "hip hop" period! As long as it was good... we supported it!!!

These idiots now think they're too hard to listen to Kanye or Common. No nigga.. you just too dumb!

Listening to these fake ass thug niggas don't make you a thug... no matter how much you drink and smoke to get your courage up.!!!

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May 10, 2008 11:50 AM
 

B4rm954 said:

^^ das sum real talk my brother
May 10, 2008 12:27 PM
 

city414 said:

thugs need hugs and a ged cause they didnt get their diploma in high school to busy practicing thugizm 203
May 10, 2008 12:40 PM
 

Majesticbeatz said:

@@HOOD GROWN SHOWIN HIS ASS TO THEM HATERS!!!

NEVER ENDING PROPS ON THAT TALK MANNE!!!

DO YA THANG MANNE!!!
May 10, 2008 2:08 PM
 

kakez said:

neqquah co-sign

hood grown - read it.. its up there. you might learn a few things hah.
May 10, 2008 5:00 PM
 

Hoodgrown said:

already did.. I agree with him...
but it has nothing to do with what I said...


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May 10, 2008 6:55 PM
 

spiderman718 said:

co-sign hoodgrown....queens in this bitch
May 10, 2008 9:34 PM
 

Hurracain said:

Add (The) Scholars to this list!

www.myspace.com/scholarshiprecords

Thanks and much love peace! Wassup with the breeding ground!?!?
May 10, 2008 10:56 PM
 

HannibalSmith_ahh said:

the whole concept of lumping these groups together and labeling them as a whole, seems to go against the very basis of what the movement itself would tend to represent, doesn't it?

So by trying to name it, exploit it, and blow it up, what will happen is the real essence of it will be destroyed and replaced by a bastardized synthetic version that is just as plastic as they very corporate sameness they set out to stand apart from in the first place.

kind of  fucked up
May 10, 2008 11:07 PM
 

West Coast 562 said:

The Cool kids and kids in the hall r doin it.  blacc magz and I rocc be knoccin.  
May 11, 2008 12:36 AM
 

Nag Champa said:

shit is mad gay b
May 11, 2008 2:18 AM
 

DayoDaKid_Get Wet Ent Inc said:

Yo real talk half ya dudes that commenting blindly haven't even heard songs for these dudes. Ur just judging cause u wear long tee's and over sized boot cut jeans..no heat. If ya were real hip hop heads, u would read the article and look into their music before u judge. But then again how many 'real' hip hop r really left. Side Bar so kid was actually arguing talk about lil wanye is better then Hov (and i like wanye but thats not the point). M Factz..dope artist. Artist, funny word when did it get replaced by G or Trapper?? Cool kids r dope also. But the fact is ya gotta hear to really judge.  
May 11, 2008 3:07 AM
 

DadeCountyReppa said:

If two years ago u wasnt dressin like that...or wasnt rappin like that YOURA LAME!!!
May 11, 2008 5:40 AM
 

ll cool j said:

May 11, 2008 6:28 AM
 

Vance Cooke said:

ahhhhhhhhh! what the fuck?! nigguhs dont like snap music.......then they KNOCK on the alternatives?! wooooooowww... I swear 73.1% of u nigguhs aint even listenin to these nigguhs....it aint even about their appearence...lyrically a lot of these dudes are crazy.....nigguhs just be lookin at they fits like homos and be like.....nope I aint bumpin him cause he in some nut huggers.....NOW....nigguhs please consider this......if a nigguhs played that same song an u had nooooo Idea who that nigguh was or looked like and it was flames? Would u support it?..............exactly.........an as far as clothing goes....I wear my shit fitted...not tight but fitted....I cant be in no 5XL Ts no more man. HAvent rocked them since 05...bitches its 2000 muthaFUCKIN 8 nigguhs if u still on ye T game then u a fuckin BUM/Square....its 08 nigguhs we about to be in a new decade in a year and damn near a half......this is were hip hop is going.....like back in 98 when Master P and No limit was shittin on nigguhs and u had the feelin that the south was really on the verge of blowin.....I feel the same shit now about this movement (nigguhs need a new name though)....these nigguhs got an eclectic refreshing sound....u bitch nigguhs sound like some hating ass potato chip on the couch eating part time cock suckers Bruh.....these nigguhs grindin...these nigguhs eating....Let the next man eat.....stay in your lane buddy....if u aint fuckin with them pay them no mind.....if u support them then let it BE KNOWN......I know hood nigguhs bumpin Black Mags HHHAARRRRD......u never catch them on a bike an u never catch them wit a slim fit but its music....end of the day...mane.......I swear this shit proves that....nigguhs......are the most.....hating......breed of Homo-sapians.....ever created
May 11, 2008 7:06 AM
 

Vance Cooke said:

........okay I over reacted
May 11, 2008 7:11 AM
 

n!gga i can read! said:

im just reinerating on what ya'll said its about the music right, i mean why u worried about what the next cat is wearing, i think that is lame that they had to label these nigg@s "hipsters" wtf???
May 11, 2008 3:50 PM
 

DeanoSabatini said:

Why is it so bad to be called 'Hipster Rap'? N.W.A, Ice Cube, Ice T and G-Unit defend their title of gangsta rap. In addition these groups will tell anyone it made them rich, in a minute. So we have Hipster Rap, its a movemnet now. I really don't see the big fuss about the label. I like and support the movement. Its time for Hipster Rap to take over the air waves cause these hipsters will allow the movement of some form of consciouness to fill our air waves, not degrading, not snitching and blasting the closest brotha to you for money. It can happen it happend before-white lines lead to jingling baby and dance for me to It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Fear of a Black Planet.
May 11, 2008 4:12 PM
 

KingNike said:

Why do black people have to be so ignorant? People call these guys gay, white and lame just because they don't wear their pants down to their ankles and rap about selling drugs. People who sag their pants are the ones who are really gay because your walking around with your ass hanging out. So called "gangster rap" is the real pop music because everybody's doing it and 95% of them "gangster" rappers are phony anyway. As a black man, i'm tired of other black people expecting me too wear over sized clothes, sell drugs, smoke weed, drink and talk like some ignorant uneducated monkey. How can black people expect white people to stop being racist if we can't even stop discriminating against ourselves?
May 11, 2008 7:24 PM
 

KingNike said:

Oh, and for the record all these guys you cats are labeling "hipsters" don't wear or like glitter belts, fake rockstar dudes who following cats like Jim Jones and Juelz Santana wear glitter belts.
May 11, 2008 7:27 PM
 

blackcyclops_ahh said:

The worse thing in the world is to let someone from outside your group label you...Regardless of how much money it made Cube and them, that label did nothing for the young people. Before anyone goes to judge them, listen to they music and see how you feel...How you dress has nothing to do with how you work the mic. Shit Rakim wore tight pants and still a better MC then 99% of dudes who touch the mic...We gotta get out this mindset of boundary maintance that we are some monolithic racial identity...
May 12, 2008 12:06 AM
 

Hoodgrown said:

"The worse thing in the world is to let someone from outside your group label you"

"i think that is lame that they had to label these nigg@s "hipsters" wtf???"

co-sign

It doesn't matter what you wear, rap about, how you wear it, etc. But the minute someone labels you... it becomes corny...


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May 12, 2008 9:31 AM
 

bksbless said:

I dont give a fuck. That shit is gay. Where i come from, where I be and the people that I know dont approve. It aint neva been cool to be a Gay Nerd. Period. That shit aint cool by no fucking means. Period.
May 12, 2008 11:40 AM
 

StikFiga said:

things seem to move in circles, just like the article said. the same things everyone is saying about these dudes is what they said about De La and Jungle Bros etc.

hiphop can be short-sighted sometimes, granted you aint gonna catch me in no tight jeans and bright colors anytime soon, but the music aint so bad, so i aint hatin'...
May 12, 2008 7:25 PM
 

B.C.O.Dcru said:

When nas & biggie came out everybody was rappin like onyx...even biggie and puff...look past the gear, Cause it's about the sound and leave them cats be if you ain't bout they music, things change. How many more game or g unit albums can we take? I like every angle of hip hop. the materialisim, gangsta, hipster, concious, and purist. The fake lyrical gangsta, the nas/Kool g/rakim freaks, the trapstars...all yall need ta stop crying and find a way ta keep hiphop going for the sake of our ears and minds
May 13, 2008 10:46 PM
 

lester hayes said:

Well.... the " keepin it real " rap category has been mighty wack as of late.Fuck it, at least these artists are trying to be creative.

In the words of J-Zone :

" I'll roll through ya hood blastin Ice Ice Baby, think I give a  fuck ? it's better than the shit I've lately!"
May 14, 2008 1:04 AM
 

Intelekt said:

Fuck the labels man. I'm really feelin what Homegrown is sayin right now. It's not like I love these guys either, but they got some good shit on em. I've heard some Kidz in the Hall. Drivin Down the Block is my SHIT! lol

"Low end theory tape and bass crazy kickin it!"

Two things: (1) be Real and honest with yourself, and (2) keep pushing for positivity and progress in your life. Whether your lifestyle is more like Kidz in the Hall, or Young Jeezy.
May 14, 2008 1:18 AM
 

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