Jay-Z: Manifest Destiny (The American Gangster Story)

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Don Blake — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:12:00 GMT

The Real is Back!

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CAN'T WAIT.... THE REAL MORE THAN BACK.. IT'S BOUT TO BITE EVERYONE ON THEY ASS (PAUSE)

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illseed — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:47:15 GMT

hey!!!! i wasnt invited!!!!

WTF!!!!

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Boss Up — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:51:45 GMT

Real Hip Hop Is Back Everyone Follow

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Slash — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:51:58 GMT

I (much like the rest of the world) was disappointed with KC and even "Blue Magic", but it seems like my excitement for the rest of this one might actually be legit this time. He sounds hungry, now. Go Hov!!

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Fawn — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:16:01 GMT

Great piece.

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bornnraisedCMR — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:20:36 GMT

man, im gonna buy this album.

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junegemini — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:25:17 GMT

This was the highlight of my day...fuck the rumors page for today

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j.johnson — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:38:04 GMT

i think its too soon...dont do it. He wont top kanye first week numbers...

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DSheezy — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:42:11 GMT

Boss Up said:
Real Hip Hop Is Back Everyone Follow.

COSIGN:

2008 NEEDS TO BE THE YEAR A LOT OF THESE RAPPERS TO STEP THERE GAME UP. ANY NI99A WHO CAME UP IN THE 80'S & 90'S KNOWS THAT 90% OF THIS SHIT THAT COMES OUT TODAY BELONGS ON YOUR COFFEE TABLE AS A COASTER.

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DetroitsDaughter — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:44:34 GMT

Congrats, Jigsaw... You really did your thing with this one...

You made me love Jay-Z even more, as if that was possible.

I can't wait until the movie and the album come out.

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PHILTHMOOR — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:45:52 GMT

YES

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Souman72 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:56:16 GMT

I mean who else rite now can bring NY back to the mainstream

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Curry Media — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:27:37 GMT

Not a fan of Jay-z that much, but not a hater either...I could really give 3 fucks about how much its going to sell....I hope he just starts a trend of coming out with great concept albums that are actually cohisive....

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King1122 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:29:03 GMT

I'm definitely checkin for this. Sounds like Hov is serious.

That Lupe Fiasco is gonna be crazy too. Real Hip Hop is on the rise...

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KINGDONG — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:29:46 GMT

NEW YORK IS BACK.....NIGGAS......FUCK WHAT YOU BITCH ASS NIGGAS HEARD!

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Crooklynz King — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:40:29 GMT

Nigga said the album is a mixture of Reasonable Doubt & Blueprint.....Shit Im coppin it.........

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InfamousQBC — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:48:02 GMT

This Make Me Respect Jay A Lot For Realizin' What The Game Has Become Now. Doin' It For The Love Of It, This Is Art In It's Truest Form. Those 2 Bars From Success Is Givin' Me That Reasonable Doubt Feel. Jigsaw Did A Excellent Job On This Feature.

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Mohamed — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:48:49 GMT

cant wait to hear the album

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jus1 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:52:13 GMT

1st of all KC (Kingdome Come) was dope jus on the merits of it being diff. & having real music (tracks) on it. I enjoyed his reflection as it related to his cousin / nephew, (i forgot which one cause I have not listen to it for a while) & Emery (I think) who he use to hustle w/ that is still behind bars ( that was real shit cause a lot of times we seem to forget those who are not wit us)! Then there was the bashing of who ever want it on songs like Dig A Hole ( shou out to :Jim Jones, Cam, Dame Dash & Wayne). So except for a couple of fillers (that errbody has on their albums) it was stil tight!...........Like he talks about in the begining of this piece the direction of hip - hop iz gettin out of control cause the niggas like a Mims w all of the ringtones & shit can't even give you 3 dope tracks per album much less 7, 8 / 10 or more. But I been saying this for a long time cause w/ the exception of a few nobody makes a whole album anymore! The game is fucked & if we don't start expanding I don't know what's gone happen to this art of music that I love. From Run D.M.C. to Rakim to Dr. Dre to Tupac to Outkast (don't worry my shit extends further than this: Im a HIP - HOP JUNKIE!) I seen this shit grow & right now we ain't growing no mo, we jus recycling & just like err thing else (from crumbs to bricks, from pig intestines to chitt-lins, from peanuts to textiles to the stoplight we are inventors & creators so lets start building again New York, New York (Dogg Pound)!........I aint't jus talking bout N.Y. neither, im from tha lou/St. Louis but I Love This Game!

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MAK™ — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:52:23 GMT

BIG UPS TO JIGSAW FA SHO!!!!

THIS BOUT TO BE A PROBLEM!!!! THAT THE GAME NEEDS OF COURSE!!!

-MAK-

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SagNasty989 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:56:37 GMT

MAN YOU EAST COAST NIGGAS IS FUNNY. when jay z was killing the game in the late 90s and start of the century you niggas was hatin on hova. I mean HATING!!!! I networked with new york niggas back then who was yellin that jay z "aint hip hop" because he was sooo arrogant, too much flossing, bling, etc....

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, a new york rapper can't sell a fuckin record, and cats like soulja boy, d4l, and dj unk outshinning yall and nelly and chingy selling records, now yall maggots want JAY Z to bring new york back...lol...yall so mufuckin fake..jay z don't give a fuck bout yall krs1 ass cryin ass ghost face killa hatin ass clowns. he more so focused on JAY Z and his EGO and his place not only in hip hop history but music history. Jay Z gone do his millions as well as 50 cent. After they do their million its gone be back to the same ol shit fa you lame ass new york hatin ass "thats not hip hop" ass niggas. and that same ol same ol will be ...NO SELLING RECORD ASS NEW YORK ARTIST...and yall gone be bitching and cryin for a jay z/50 collabo..damn new york, get over it...yall just not as relevant in the game at the time. yall will be again..but stop tryin to force it...hell,yall own backyard at 106 n park care more about crank that soulja boy than they do about a new wu tang album...if yall own brothers and sisters and cousins don't give a shit bout yall heros why stress the issue?

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Presidential — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:01:23 GMT

I knew he was up to somethin' like this! That's w'sup though. So is this like a soundtrack to the movie or is he just piggy-backin' the flick???

Truly,
Presidential

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The_Game07 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:04:07 GMT

I cant fuckin wait

WHOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Havent been this amped since I bought Stillmatic

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NOSouljah — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:05:04 GMT

Peace,

To me every album since the Blue Print was 5 mic material. The hate and desire to take awya from his shine was and still is so great that people hate to give dude the cred. He is the best to have done it right now. All the other so-called best were given that title in death. The man is alive and killing the game all around the board.

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Tha Truth Be Told — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:08:58 GMT

Mann we got Kanye, Nas, Jay, Lupe, Common, Kweli, Mos Def, Little Brother, Justus League, and all the true real lyricists who don't get no love...I think the bubble gum rap era is about to come to a close...hand back the throne...get off the mic and just go home...this is gonna be a classic

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UnDefyned — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:10:23 GMT

This shit finna be so cold. I cant wait for this shit

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ILLZITO — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:23:00 GMT

THE TRAILER LOOKING AND SOUNDING GOOD,YEAH, JAY PREETY MUCH BRINGS IT EVERY GO ROUND,LETS SEE IF HE'S STILL CONSISTENT(I'M COPPIN IT).
NICE PIECE THERE TOO.

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mike06 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:29:37 GMT

good read...can't wait to hear some more music from this album

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infamous118 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:32:40 GMT

They aint want you trying to sneak your phone in and record audio for your rumors illseed.

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the_dboy417 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:34:49 GMT

Yessssir, I co sign what D Sheezy said. This shit people are gettin away with puttin out today is ridiculous. It's gotten outta hand. It's time for the Jigga Man to restore order.

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SELASOLJER — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:38:15 GMT

yall dudes can think what u want but this is a bad look for gay z,,he is wack ass fuck anyway......gay z is 2 overated

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innercity99 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:38:55 GMT

HOV IS BACK!!!!

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ifukswitu — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:39:20 GMT

this chit better b hot it jus sound to good to b tru cant wait 2 nov

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mike_dachamp08 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:48:05 GMT

i been telling dudes since his kingdom come offering jay gonna come back harder-no homo-so hard all who slept gonna realize he still the best rapper alive... since the best rapper unretired. ya dig!

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JOEPRO — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:48:50 GMT

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS WOW.....

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Cali Homie — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:00:20 GMT

Yea man...the joints going to be hot....been waiting patiently for this shit. I hope i dont get locked up before it comes out! peace

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Thirty Plus — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:03:46 GMT

Props on this interview!! I'm so amped, psyched, damn near giddy about this album, I can't wait!!

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themc — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:09:26 GMT

The real is back! I really do hope Blue Magic is a bonus cut. Its a wait n see. But i def feel a positive vibe. Get em Jay.

roc.a.fella.yo!

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Jree$e — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:10:31 GMT

I can't wait!!! This is gonna be a hot album

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MAK™ — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:17:51 GMT

@ cali homie..... yoooo lol i'm dying ova here from that comment... were u serious or joking?...

-mak-

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King1122 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:17:48 GMT

Tha Truth Be Told said:
Mann we got Kanye, Nas, Jay, Lupe, Common, Kweli, Mos Def, Little Brother, Justus League, and all the true real lyricists who don't get no love...I think the bubble gum rap era is about to come to a close...hand back the throne...get off the mic and just go home...this is gonna be a classic

Thats real. For all these NY haters, it's not even about what region the music comes from as long as its good. Truth Be Told, thats a strong list of artists from various parts of the country. It pisses me off when niggas still talk that dirty south vs ny shit, when no other south artist does it.

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Hoodgrown — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:18:09 GMT

Nice article... really made me anticipate J's new album. Hopefully it will be A LOT better than "Blue Magic"

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gunot_17 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:23:32 GMT

He's back b****! Damn, if Blue Magic gonna be a bonus track, I can't wait to hear what actually makes the album!!!!

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shani — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:00:09 GMT

So basically Jay says he was in the service of Ronald Reagan and Oliver North.
That's what being a Black republican is all about. How do you think he got where he is today.
I think it's wonderful this whole Frank Lucas related stuff, I mean that's one of our great heros right there.
I hope Jay and Denzel can bring New York back. See I think we have been forgeting our gangsta roots in Hip Hop. That's is American as apple pie.
They'll prolly give Densel the Oscar.
Like my man Jigsaw Creekmir says in the article:

"Jay-Z has had his peaks and valleys, but his tenure has extended over a decade of resolute consistency"

exactly (what?)

And as Jay Z says:

"I’m a bad ma’ f**ker. I really made it and s**t. I’m better than Al Capone – he ain’t make it. Michael Corleone [from “The Godfather”], Scarface – I’m iller than all them n***as.”

So you better recognize- n**s like Al Capone, Michael Corleone, Scarface, were once Americas top n**as.
But Jaz is now HNIC, so fall back

"And the music I be makin
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"

-moment of clarity

(act like you know)

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mu$h da great — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:05:09 GMT

I like jay z music & I am anticipating that this is going to be something major. I wasn't feeling blue magic but I am going to check out the rest of the album. much respect to jigsaw for creating a well written informative over view of this project. yall noticed how he mentioned cleve beating the yanks lol. waz up d boy

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TMO — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:22:04 GMT

OHHHH I CANT WAIT. When Jay is sayin that is a cross of his best work to date(RD & BP) then you know the real is back. The thing thats wrong with half of you hip hop heads is that you think that sales makes and album and that aint got nothing to do with it at all. Yeah Kanye is going to sell more and so is 50 but that dont mean a thing. 50s first CD sold more the RD and Blueprint combined sold but there is no way that thats a better cd then them. This is going to be a hot CD for sure but I dont think alot of people are going to get it right off the bat. jay isnt going to "dumb himself down" in this one and alot of people wont understand!!!

Good work Saw this was real fine work

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TheKnowledge — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:22:46 GMT

I'm excited on another level for this album. I have a gut feeling it's gonna be better than Black Album. Black Album is my favorite Jay record(and his 2nd best IMO) so that's saying alot.

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tha clear — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:23:25 GMT

I appreciate what he said about Mims, but I'm not convinced that this record will change the state of hip hop. I hope it makes up for "Boredom Come"

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lourileyinc — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:23:37 GMT

Hmmmm.....I wonder who those beats Puffy was stashing away were originally intended for?

I got chills reading this!

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Rah-the-God — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:28:49 GMT

Man this shit is gona be fya jay sounds mad focused on this but I loved KC so this is already classic in my eyes

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smokey2kone — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:36:55 GMT

nice read! he's back....

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Layne90043 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:25:06 GMT

okay okay look IM NOT HATING just have a serious question....so IF and BEFORE yall answer be wise and read the question and understand im hot hating just wanting to know somwthing...just like if u buy a car or whatever u gonna ask questions...well u should.... so here it goes...

...first off, i am a true Jay-Z fan. bought Reasonablr Doubt back in the day when it came out, been sold eva since...my shit says Freeze Records...not Roc-a-Fella...my CD has a gun on the cover...i know yall new millineum fans got the rocafell rereleased version without the gun...step ya authenticity game up LOLOL....j/k

naw but basically i thought Kingdom Come was just aight...i mean on some days i was really feeling it some others i wasnt. overall id give it a 7 7.5 in my book....soooo with that being said, should i be hyped about a Jay-Z album with beats that Ma$e and Total passed up???? shopuld i be hyped when the 1st song we hear, Blue Magic...HE dont even really wanna use??? just asking bcz im like how can i get hyped off old beats? now if them dudes CAME BACK and made some thats one thing but i cant anticipate an alubm with rejected Black Rob tracks...i mean allll these beats and even Puffy didnt use em?? i mean help me out yall...im sure ill buy it but im not hyped yet....

AND okay i second what SAGNASTY said too lol

yall just not as relevant in the game at the time. yall will be again..but stop tryin to force it...hell,yall own backyard at 106 n park care more about crank that soulja boy than they do about a new wu tang album...if yall own brothers and sisters and cousins don't give a shit bout yall heros why stress the issue?

CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISIM IS NOT A DISS...SO DONT START CRYING YALL OKAY....

hiphop peeked a LOOOONG time ago....and has been stuck eva since...

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Demsky — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:43:06 GMT

said:
yall dudes can think what u want but this is a bad look for gay z,,he is wack ass fuck anyway......gay z is 2 overated

i just want to pose a question who has been hotter and more consistent then Jay even my man nas went through a heavy slump shit to me jay weakest album was Vol. 3 every thing else was classic or close to it. if this album is gon be what he claims and set the world on his ear than the 4th aint comin fast enough. Not to rush the football season but shit common, kanye , nas, hov this could be a lovely way to round off t he year wits some good quality music

SELASOLJER who the fuck do you listen to wayne juelz the dip shits stop bein a bitch and "get down" like beanie told yall niggaz to do years ago

2 1 5

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DSheezy — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:50:09 GMT

SELASOLJER said:
"yall dudes can think what u want but this is a bad look for gay z,,he is wack ass fuck anyway......gay z is 2 overated"

WHAT?

ARE U SERIOUS?

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twognzup — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:57:59 GMT

can't hardly wait

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Five18p — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:01:48 GMT

Ima cop it but he betta not let me down, his last 3 albums were not up to the original Jay-Z to me.

This is this dude last chance with me...

Bring that old Jigga Back Jay-Z

shit dudes need that fire...we tired of these gimmicky records.

"this is why I'm hot?"....why then? ...bullshit ass song.

Jay-Z where you at?..."come on baby, baby come ooooonnnn!"
R.I.P Ole Dirty

518p-

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SagNasty989 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:06:21 GMT

Check it out..I love Jay Z ass much as the next fan...but what's funny is that you cats all of a sudden is jerkin dude off but I BET yall was the same cats that was tired if dude when he really held the game down. it was so many cats that tried to Kobe Jay Z at the time. WHAT I MEAN BOUT KOBE? Well yall remember when Kobe began to dominate and make his place in the league everybody at the damn barber shop one year wanted to say Vince Carter could handle Kobe, then it was Iverson, then Tracy McGrady and on and on. Well When hova held yall niggas wanted Nas to dethrone Jay . Then Jada Kiss, then DMX, then 50. I was tellin niggas back then, that can't nobody fuck with .Hov. Yeah Nas hit below the waist and stung him but he bounced back. I mean its finally a good thing to see a lot of yall EXCITED about your new york region. I'm happy for yall. I mean it's to a point where yall desperate. Half you cats not even jay z fans yall just oppose cats like Them Franchise Boys and mad because we don't give a fuck bout the GraveDiggaz. Just hope yall don't feel like that let down son when his dad promise to see him every christmas or on his birrhday and not show up, then yall cats go back to being sad and gloom.

OH ANS SHAI OR SHANA, what the fuck you mean jay z and DENZEL WASHINGTON gone bring back new york?!!! LMAO. what the fuck? it got so bad fa yall NYC cats that yall won't Denzel Washington to chime in on yall record sales or lack their of....then you say new york started gangster shit? yeah we know new york got the swagger with the streets but gangster/mob shit aint start in ny. shit started in the mid west with capone n company. then along come the people/folk nation. its funny because yall say new york is trendsetters but at the same time yall copying midwest culture with gangs like Latin kings and copy L.A with blood/crip shit....

what pissed me off and God rest their souls....but when Pac went at Biggie and Bad Boy..PUFFY bitch ass didn't want Biggie to fire back..but yall hip hop right...fuck outta here.

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Big Homie 3000 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:07:25 GMT

lol...It would'nt be a Jay-Z post without all of hate....LMFAO!! at the dumbass that said New Yorkers didn't support Hov in the late 90's...lol..You obviously never visited NY around the time. For as long as people want to be "Sambos"(sorry, I don't like using the term either) And support grown men dress like little kids at the circus doing silly dances and other borderline homo activity, No grown ass men and women who appreciate more than ringtones and sales are gonna support this so called music.

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caven — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:07:12 GMT

i'm one of those disbelievers mentioned in the article. ive never been a fan of home. I may like 1 or 2 tracks off of each album but as a whole he is far from the god MC.

I want to hear this album though, please, please prove me wrong. I mean you got so many people rooting for hov either im crazy and wrong or ahead of my time and right.

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Realness187 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:23:43 GMT

fuck GAY Z

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Big Homie 3000 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:27:24 GMT

lol...When I don't like a rapper I just avoid reading whole articles about them and I don't bother commenting on blogs about"Wack rappers"...lol..Just don't buy it, it's not that serious...lol...especially in this case...Hov is not gonna starve if you don't buy the album...For all of you angry southerners..New Yorkers aren't saying you're to blame for ALL of this lame ass music, It's just that you're celebrating bullshit albums. It's been a while since ya'll gave us Aquemini, Stankonia, Early No-Limit, The game is slacking as a whole...Nobody's making classic albums... Just annoying ringtones and dances. There's no art in that type of shit. The true lyricist of the south are struggling(Killer Mike, Even Ludas numbers are dropping) due 2 this wack shit.

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SagNasty989 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:00:25 GMT

BigHomie3000 man I agree 100 percet. Couldn't agree more. If you read my past post in recent weeks fa the record I never NEVER say anything about some of these ringtone sellers being lyrical destroyers. shit bill o riley can tell you that. my thing is that why HATE on soulja boy/mims (even tho he ny) gorilla zoe/ snap artist etc...i mean if its good music that us BLACK folks like to dance to in the club, pound in our speakers and watch them pretty thick ass sistas drop it in a club, or strip joint, then why the fuck is niggas mad? not every artist know how to spit a good 16. you gonna have hip hop artist out here that are lyriclly challenged...and BigHomie its good that you acknowlwdge some lf the lryical southern mc's because you don't see that shit a lot on here. some of these cats don't even know bout Fiend, Mac, Mr Serve On all from No Limit back in the day and who could spit with the best...everytime these NY cats is in a fuck or having a bad day they wanna come out pickin with nelly, or the south lyrical challenged mc's, bitching about that's not hip hop. hip hop has many levels. you got ya lyricist, you got ya dance type, you got ya heavy speaker bangers, club music etc...shit the fuckin HUSTLE is hip hip.when was the last time krs1 cried out "the hustle isn't hip hop"..niggas just need somethin to hate...it's our mentality..brainwashed ass niggas..it's that same slave like mentlity that trace back to when them white slave masters had us fighting to the death for their entertainment....we can't appreciate a muthafuckin thing when OUR PEOPLE prosper..just wait it out when NY is back relevant again and the same hatin ass cry babies that was hatin on the south will hate on the niggas that's puttin it down in they own region...just watch...

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Chubbeemane — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:00:31 GMT

**Damnit AHH, you motherfuckers got me excited as hell! Kingdom Come was dope... sure it wasn't his greatest, but what the fuck?? You people have got so stop doubting Jay-Z. He is a true artist. I mean, I get bored as fuck with my job, so I approach it differently sometimes to keep me stable. That's what Jay's doing, and I can't respect him enough... Look what Common and Kanye did. ALBUMS! FULL, WELL- ROUNDED, COMPLETE ALBUMS! Not just a bunch of sporatic tracks. Albums such as these will save the industry. If I lost my copy of Finding Forever, I would PURCHASE it again... I just BOUGHT 2 old OutKast albums. Let's pay the folks who deserve it....

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Chubbeemane — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:06:26 GMT

Aww man, well spoken Big Homie 3000... My sentiments exactly. Production is SHIT anymore. People are just polishing turds.... Those struggling artists you speak of(Killer Mike, etc..) won't get the proper production dollars. Soulja fucking Boy has the #1 song in the country. Barf. I will continue to pay money for those who deserve it. Remember getting excited about release dates?? And subsequently satisfied by the product??

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Grimm44 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:08:03 GMT

I aint heard shit yet to get excited over. So I'll wait, but Kingdom Come was terrible. The name Jay-Z alone used to get me ready to hear good shit...we'll see.

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gullyjuice — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:23:53 GMT

The best that ever did it...

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KingOfEngland — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:31:03 GMT

lol oh my god No ID instead of Kanye West, no luv 4 little brother lol

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Grimm44 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:33:08 GMT

@ SagNasty989
Agree homie.
And as KRS ONE said "A dope MC is a dope MC with or without a record deal all can see..."

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Grimm44 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:36:42 GMT

@ SagNasty989

Agree with that.
A further, like KRS ONE said "A dope MC is a dope MC with or without a record deal all can see..."

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Streetweyez Sayles — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:55:11 GMT

I was waiting for Jay-Z to realize that he is so big now that he can be really LYRICAL. To hell with worrying about if some people don't get it. In the beginning he made compromises, now homie you don't have to compromise. I have always been one of his greatest critics because I was one of his biggest supporters back when he first came out. Remember when he used to tour with Kane?

Jay's whole marketing gimmick worked, but he is bigger than all that now. He doesn't have to redo a Reasonable Doubt/Blueprint. He should call this MANIFEST DESTINY, and do that. Forget about the American Gangster stuff Jay. I know he's better than the watered down stuff he would put out sometimes. If a cat really fuck with you he aint going to tell you what you want to hear. He's going to tell you the truth.

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clown chekka2323 — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:03:46 GMT

the mutha fuckin real is back my nigga jigga!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tyger Hood — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:31:49 GMT

Great article! Might have to read this again on my flight home! Second cd purchase of the year.

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prop24 — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:48:46 GMT

Jay-Z is cool, but STEW YORK is overrated.

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Saym-one — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:18:36 GMT

As someone alluded to above (can't recall who...too lazy to scroll up), the current artists who are making the "let's all do a dance" music and whatever have their place. I do enjoy seeing my little cousins learning the latest dances and performing them happily, and they're not grinding, freaky dances. However, my concern is that a lot of the artists making these songs really are living that shit, like they are that simple 24 hours a day 7 days a week. All they want is that big chain, and to be on ringtones. I am all about having fun, but at some point you have to try to get something else in your heads too. And that's where these artists are falling short. I was so glad when Jay-Z made that comment about MIMS cause I said that exact same thing when I first heard that song. Like, this dude is basically calling y'all stupid by more or less saying "my lyrics are garbage and you gon buy it anyway," yet people out there going crazy for that song *SMH* Now I been a Jay-Z fan from the jump, but after Blueprint, it wasn't the same for me. It took me a long ass time to get into Blueprint 2, not even gon lie. For the person who mentioned having the original Reasonable Doubt, I know where you coming from! Mine has Jay-Z with two dots above the Jay! (It's that old!)

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Big Homie 3000 — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:00:52 GMT

lol...I got that original reasonable doubt too(No scratches) it's the silver blur with the .45 on it.

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hovitos way — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:32:53 GMT

the n
boy is vack.i knew he will come back harder.remeber how he came back hard with streets is wacthing and vol 2 after everyone questiones vol 1?

remeber how hard he came on tba after every one questiones bp 2?

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Kappagem — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:40:41 GMT

This article was a slapper.

Jay is gonna relase another KLASSIC album...

It's a wrap.

I'm so tired of people talkin' about how Kingdom Come was wack. Are you serious!? I guess because Jay wasn't talkin' about slangin', wasn't really on no "flashy" stuff or anything..he was just in a "state" of mind on ya'll, and so now he's not the realest doing it? Come on man...get real! Listen to "beach chair"...and when I say LISTEN, I mean LISTEN. Personally, I wasn't feeling "HOLLYWOOD" off the track, but you know what? That shyt SLAPS in the clubs, especially out WEST. I mean, come on folks! 30 Something!? I guess because some of us are pushing up on that 30 year old mark (not their...but close:), we aren't supposed to respect the game anymore? We supposed to fade into the night?

Man, Jigga is a beast. Was Kingdom Come his best? Nah...

But I respect a man who can actually make a RECORD or ALBUM more than a ringtone. There are a NUMBER of artists out there who can make ONE TRACK, but they records suck mad azz! Quit hatin' on Jigga...

Anyone who is comparing being "gangsta" with LA/NY gangs and shyt to Hip-Hop, you are a disgrace to the game. Period. Don't take being a Blood or a Crip as a namesake to being about Hip-Hop, because thta is disrespectful. Real talk...are there "gangstas" in hip-hop? Yeah...but the REAL hip-hop heads know there is nothing GOOD in gangbangin'. I'm not knocking you kat's who bang...I'm just saying being Hip-Hop isn't based on where gangs started and stuff...that ish sounds mad ignorant.

And quit regionalizing who's hot!? There is garbage played ALL OVER THE DAYUM COUNTRY ALL THE TIME...and many GREAT artists not gettin' any play.

And NY never left.

Oh...all you folks saying Jay BETTER be hot on this...or this is his last chance with you...Did you read the article? What you buy or eat, won't make him shit! LOL...dude has mad money. He'll go platinum off the buz alone. Buy it...or go buy Reasonable Doubt again. When talkin' about Jay-Z, the beauty is, you can't compare him to ANYONE else..only HIMSELF:)

He's the truth...period.

Oh, and Ill....get that invite next time homey! haha...

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tha starr — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:41:49 GMT

Great read

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HPT_D_Nice_1 — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:41:23 GMT

I'm hyped because everyone is saying Blue Magic isn't one of the better songs on the album. Now Jay basically cosigned it by saying it doesn't fit wit the rest of the album.

I'm hoping Americn Gangster is lyrically on par with Reasonable Doubt

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Most Propa M Holla — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:59:58 GMT

I am gonna get at least 2 copies of American Gangsta. This is gonna be a big moment for Hip Hop. It doesn't matter if he does Kanye's numbers or not, its just good ta see him giving us good music. Shout outs ta Diddy for his work on the CD. I'm glad those two worked together again. I'm definitely waiting for the movie and CD

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JoMoses — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:10:38 GMT

JayZ's lab session Sept. 12, 2007.

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Detroit Dog — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:58:23 GMT

Real talk, this shit gone be hot. I love to hear the New York bosses speak bout how the rap game is strugglin and how real hip hop need to get the light again. I would expect with the hype around the movie that the album would smash Kanye and 50 numbers. This will most likely be the best album of 07, so far Kanye and Young Buck got the best of the year to me.

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JayAllah — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:31:24 GMT

4get numbers as long as i have my copy.. and he is making blue magic a bonus.. i liked it.. but i can wait to hear the whole thing...and i dont think people really understood Kindome come.. the lyrical content in that ablum is sick.. but anyway i cant wait.

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MD-2-BX VIA I95 — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:27:27 GMT

Jay Never dissapointed me with any of his material.

So let the Greatest ever rock out like he suppose to...

10 Classics is a great achievement...

Best JayZ song ever - COME AND GET ME.... Vol. 3 S. Carter

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hater hurter — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:57:02 GMT

well well hiphop is back. congrats

jay should just put the album out then pick a single cuz this album is gonna move off word of mouth not marketing.

blue magic is not worthy enough to be on this album bonus cd sounds good to me.

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SPATE Magazine All Day — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:24:36 GMT

Yo Gregg what the hell! I'm gonna get you man, you didn't invite me! I can't believe that....lol

Antoine

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pissonyagrave — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:45:44 GMT

"yawnnnnssssssss" blah blah blah man fuck a jayz only ny niggas are getting excited about it ,lol i guess he finally going to bring it back to you nawwwwwwwwww its just another album nothing special stop fucking crying but atleast you'll get your " real hip hop" lol niggas crack me up heres a tissue for all those tears that been dropping.

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BLAK4DMD — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:29:52 GMT

yeah whateva, we'll see!!

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Tha Truth Be Told — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:56:49 GMT

@ King1122

I feel dat. I'm from NY and I got love 1st and foremost for my hometown music but if u gonna be a real listener you are aware that NY aint the only place that breeds good music. I mean we got the whole Chi movement, Justus League from NC, Murrs from LA, and theire still real lyricists in the South.

@ SagNasty989

I'm a NY nigga and when I 1st read ur comments i got heated bc u generalizing an entire state off of some ppl u might have met. Thats like me saying down south music is wack period. that would be ignorant bc there is still good music out ther like Outkast who are gonna go down as legends, Luda, Killer Mike, etc. My thing wit u and a lot of ppl is that they feel like New Yorkers view themselves as Gods and we criticize everything that aint the case. We been supporting Jay from day 1 just like we supported the WU, Nas, BIG, Rakim, Kane, and all the lyricists. Of course there were haters just like everywhere else. If u go to ATL not everybody like Luda and TI, if u go to LA not everybody like Snoop and even PAc, if u go to ST Louis not everybody like Nelly and Chingy. Its impossible for everybody to like one thing more less one person. Its just that when it comes to NY we get more scrutinized being that we are at the forefront of everything. Being that u used to come down here back in the day u know that NY radio stations are 1 of the only ones around the country that play all types of musc from different regions even b4 the south popped off like it did. if u go to ATL all u hear is ATL music and thats from personal experience. If u notice a lot of NY show love to the South but all we get is the hate bc instead of ppl trying to understand they choose to be ignorant and make their own conclusions. Ex: When Nas came out with Hip Hop Is Dead all of ATL and the south was like "fuck nas" w/o even listening to 1 track on the cd. If u listen to that cd you'll see he saying the state of hip hop is dead due to not only artists, but the ppl, radio, and record companies. He also says that this statement goes 1st to NY and then everywhere else bc we lost our roots and became imitators. To this day there still rappers disrespecting nas bc of that title and haven't even played the cd. Hip Hop is dead PERIOD. It's not about Jay putting out 1 classic cd again or just NY rappers getting back to what they do its bigger than that. The listeners arent there no more they rather go to the club and dance then be given some true knowledge on the mic. I'm not gonna say I like the snap movement and soulja boy and all that but at the same time I dont hate it and believe it does have its place. Its just the respect for the art aint there no more. Ppl just see this as I could make a couple dance songs sell some ringtones and Im rich. Meanwhile u got ppl like Lupe, Kweli, Mos Def, Murs, Jean Grae, Little Brother who put out classic material and dont even go gold. Then u got ppl like Immortal Technique, Termanology, Saigon who cant even put a cd and either dont got deals or been shelved for the longest. I think the south gets the blunt of Ny frustration not bc they are getting their shine bc thats not a problem but bc now its like if ur song dont bump in the club u aint gonna get signed. Its not that NY fell off its just ppl got tired of listening like I said they rather dance. Like Jay said:

The music business hate me
Cause the industry ain't make me
Hustlers and boosters embrace me
And the music i be makin
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyricly
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But i did five Mil)
I ain't been rhymin like Common Sense
When your sense got that much in common
And you been hustlin since
Your inception
Fuck perception
Go with what makes sense
Since
I know what i'm up against
We as rappers must decide what's most impor-tant
And i can't help the poor if i'm one of them
So i got rich and gave back
To me that's the win, win
The next time you see the homie and his rims spin
Just know my mind is workin just like them
(The rims that is)

I mean how much clearer could it be. The game so fucked up that 1 of the best lyricists out has to dumb down his lyrics just to make ppl undertstand what he trying to say and to make $. Look at what happens to those that don't compromise like Common. Any hip hop head will tell ya he is a true lyricist but bc he don't dumb down he gets no recognition or extreme radio play. And for the record the snap movement and all that aint hip hop thats rap 2 different things fam.

@ Layne90043

I can see why u think Kingdom Come aint that ill. But u gotta look at it at from a different perspective than his other albums. Reasonable Doubt (By the way I got the re-released since I was like 7 at the time...lol) he was spittin from a perspective of the streetz and that hustle mentality. Kingdom Come is from more of a corporate perspective and I made it...nah mean. Its more than the norm and thats why I think it went over a lot of plls heads and aint get the recognition it deserved. Pppl gotta realize he from Marcy til the day he die but he dont live there no more. He aint hustlin rocks and squares he hustlin corporate while in a suit sitting behing a desk in an executive chair. I mean songs like Minority Report and Beach Chair wouldnt have came from the 90's Jay. This cd was more about grwoing up as a man and musically. Now at the same time he coulda left off the Beyonce and Usher song cause that wasnt needed. He saying blue magic might be a Bonus track bc he don't flow wit the rest of the cd and messes up the cohesiveness and we cant understand that yer bc we havent heard the cd. The beats u gotta remember that badboy producers have made beats for ready to die and life after death. Those aint throwaways. Diddy probably aint use em bc there not his type of beats he likes more uptempo stuff and really don't mess too much wit the gritty beats. And who would h give it to? Everybody got their production on lock and if u gonna gie it to somebody why not give it to ur boy. As far as 106 & Park remember its just like TRL it chosen by the ppl not only from NY but whoever votes all over the country. That isnt a reflection on NY's love for hip hop at all. The truth of the matter is even back in the day b4 the south popped off ppl like Nas still werent getting the love on TRL and the video channels, it was the Bad Boy movement and shiny suits. Jay always got love bc he made those crossover commercial songs and others just chose not to compromise. it only makes sense that if Crank dat Soulja boy is #1 on the billboard charts it would be killing on 106 & Park.

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clown chekka2323 — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:52:18 GMT

a yo "truth be told" thanks for schooln yo. hope they understand

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Layne90043 — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 03:10:52 GMT

@ Tha Truth Be Told

I feel you 100%....see im the type that appreciates an artist growth. Im mean im not the same person i was when i first heard Jay-Z...so if im a fan its good for you to evolve as i evolve. As ive gotten older i realize that even some of my friends, if they stuck on the same shit we was stuck on 10 years ago...i really caint fugg withcu. I understand 108506204% where he was at Kingdom Come....but i dont think it was really needed since Black Album was such a graceful bow out and he said he retired....thats my opinion...his come back is a who 'nother issue...

but basically as someone who loves this music...who loves this culture...i mean LOVE IT i made my previous statements to make folks think about what they getting and why. It seems like the fans now adays dont think about the music, whats its saying and even why....because OBVIOUSLY THE ARTIST WE LOVE AND MAKE RICH DONT GIVE A FUGG ABOUT US...they give us bullshit and excpct us to like it. as a fan...im offended...so with that being said i like u took the time to peep it and know your history....i just wanted to make folks think...UNDERSTAND the difference in real and when an artist only wants you for your money. these artist need to respect us as fans....fuck you nigga...work hard and spend your money on me...i just want ring tones...and money so i can floss on you and show u what u DONT got...

make me appreciate what u want me to buy...and understand what your buying...

much props you spoke some real Tha Truth Be Told

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HIPHOPBOY1 — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:09:52 GMT

YEAP HE LOOK SERIOUS..ITS ABOUT TIME.CAUSE ONCE THIS RAPPERS GET SOME MONEY THEY ALL START DOIN SOME ALBUM THAT ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT FEELIN...BUT NOW BY JAY Z DOIN THAT IS HAVIN RESPECT FOR HIPHOP AND THATS WAT RAPPERS FROM BACK IN THE DAYS NEED TO DO BRING SOME ALBUMS THAT WILL SHOW THIS YOUNG ONES HAVE RESPECT FOR HIPHOP....

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ILLAMANIK — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:54:36 GMT

I havent been on in a minute but...SagNasty on this bitch snappin...lol

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Daredevil_21 — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:10:06 GMT

I have high hopes for a hip hop comeback in the near future. It's been great to see the energy that was created around the Kanye/50 face-off, and that's why Jay-Z's upcoming album is so important for the future direction that hip hop takes. But it's not all riding on him, he simply has to set the scene for the artists under his label. Ultimately, his job is to showcase them and sell albums, and what better way to do so than fuel the fire. Showcase the next rapper to release a cd, like Freeway, for example. It's the least a good businessman could do after taking his release date and bumping him back once again (Kanye's Graduation bumped Freeway's "Free At Last" back a month and a half). The hype has to stay strong even after Jay's album has come and gone in order to truly send Hip Hop on the right track. I'd hope a true American Gangster would concentrate on rebuilding an empire that is the Dynasty of Roc-A-Fella.

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Intelekt — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:28:08 GMT

@ SagNasty989:

Yo man, don't generalize a whole region or state. Talking like all NY cats are haters and acting like we're stuck up on our Hip Hop shit and whatever... That's bullshit man. A lot of us are like that (sad), but at the same time, there's a lot of us that aren't. I was heated at first too, but its cool. I'll forgive the ignorance; it's no problem. I hope for any good hearted, mature individual, no matter where the fuck you're from, to do your thing and get your money.

Truth Be Told, I feel ya 100.

As far as Jay, I been a fan since Vol. 2, and I continue to feel his music. I even thought Kingdom Come was good. American Gangster sounds like it's gonna be ill.

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shani — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:34:49 GMT

@Tha Truth Be Told (?)

"I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars"

period end of story,
but I'll have to explain, it's clear but not to you

You said:

"I mean how much clearer could it be. The game so fucked up that 1 of the best lyricists out has to dumb down his lyrics just to make ppl undertstand what he trying to say and to make $. Look at what happens to those that don't compromise like Common. Any hip hop head will tell ya he is a true lyricist but bc he don't dumb down he gets no recognition or extreme radio play."

Let me rephrase that truthfully:

***I mean how much clearer could it be. Jay Z so fucked up that being 1 of the best lyricists out he to dumbs down his lyrics just to make to make more $ even though he doesn't have to work a day for the rest of his life for ten lifetimes. Why isn't he less compromising like Common and Talib Kweli who have showed and proved they lyricists and as a byproduct have achieved wealth and fame without selling out, without trying to appeal to the dumbest just to put themselves into some filthy rich bracket where artists compete like A holes for sales figures instead of the quality of their art.*****

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Layne90043 — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:28:21 GMT

...dumbing down something is a slap in YOUR face...he's like yall niggas will buy anything so instead of the real dope imma sell u some soap and make u like it....dude i like jigga alot, but that line makes me so mad...

...in a sense that line is that same as mims sayin...i can sell a mill saying nothin on a track...but jigga sayin, i wanna make money so imma short yall...

thats what im saying these artist dont respect us as listeners

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Tha Truth Be Told — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:09:46 GMT

@ Layne90043

I feel where u were coming from and as a listener it is frustrating to see artists short us on the lyricism bc of things like $. Yeah when Jay came back it was like when MJ put that Wizards jersey on. It's like u wanna see it bc its MJ but at the same time its like Yo u gonna mess up your legacy.

@ shani

I understand where u coming from but at the same time u gotta remember when Jay came out with Reasonable Doubt it aint get the love it deserved. I mean the cd finally went platinum in 2002. On the real that is hand s down his best cd and a classic with classic lyrics and shows extreme lyricism. It cam out in 96 and didnt go platinum until 6 yrs later. If u look at his sales his highest selling cd is Vol. 2. So when u think about it as a lyricist if u see that the majority of the public are not true listeners and they dont appreciate Reasonable Doubt ur gonna make more commercial songs and dumb it down. ANd even then what Jay does is give u radio hits to bring ppl in and then makes u listen to the gems. If her were to put the gems on the radio ppl wouldn't get it. I give respect to those that never chose to compromise but at the same time they dont have the same amount of fame that Jay has or even wealth. So in the end who do u blame the lricists or the ppl?

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da bul Reef — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:13:03 GMT

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HoodProphet — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:07:29 GMT

I guess that dummy down lyrics thing works both ways because check this

If your a teacher of a 5th grade class, and the average kid in your class in on a 3rd grade reading level, do you read them books from the 5th grade?

Now on the flipside, if your a type A personality in a room full of type B people, do you change you personality to fit with everyone elses to fit in or do you be yourself?

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Overall I think we missing the point. The power isnt really in the hands of the artist, its the people. Your dollar counts like a vote counts in politics. Sure if you think of yourself as an individual, then you might not feel that your that important. But from the greater perspective, us as people control exact what this music climate is like.

These artists' jobs are to express the mindset and ideals of themselves and the culture of people they come from.

Instead of looking at them, I think the greater focus is us and what we support as a people. Thats what Jay Z was saying in that line.

From a business perspective he put both types of albums out there. Unfortunately the albums that got the most monetary success were the dummy downed ones. On the flipside the intellectual albums got the most acclaim. Its money vs prestige.

Jay aimed at getting both. And thats why he's arguably the best because he got the fans money and respect. When at both markets.

If we dont like all the bullshit we getting out here, guess we gotta stop paying attention to it. Stop letting the commercial or pop culture tell you what hip hop is. If you feel its something else, are you sitting back watching it go in the trash or are you using the power you have to influence its return?

Like Democracy people, its all up to us. Its all up to us...

-HP

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bnreal80 — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:38:15 GMT

dang yall keep hating on jay. smh, why? the nigga spit and he clever wit it, beats bangin, i dunno man its almost comical to say jay is wack if u heard 9 albums and say that

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