Russell Simmons & Hip-Hop Struggle With Clinton / Obama Endorsement

re: Russell Simmons & Hip-Hop Struggle With Clinton / Obama Endorsement

JREAL337LA — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:38:40 GMT

MIND BOGGLING I GUESS NICCAS WILL RATHER SEE A WHITE FEMALE PRESIDENT THAN THEIR OWN KIND. IF THIS BITCH WIN THIS RACE BILL CLINTON WILL BE SITTING BACK RUNNING THE WHITE HOUSE FROM HIS HARLEM OFFICE. I GUESS THATS WHY NICCAS FEEL LIKE THE CLINTONS HAVE AN ATTACHMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THEIR PUBLIC APPEARANCES WHERE THE REPUBLICANS WONT GO RITE?... BULLSHIT OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT

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Kandi Cole — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:58:34 GMT

i'm still undecided. but i do agree that any republican running (other than ron paul) would be a slap in the face to the american public. it is time for a change. a major change. a revolutionary change. and if it takes a BLACK man or a white woman to do it, so be it. if you ask me...an OBAMA/CLINTON ticket is something i would vote for in a heartbeart.

be easy.
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69_delta88 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:12:16 GMT

Close your eyes and not look at gender or race look at the facts and see who will be and do what is best for you, your family and your way of life, all politicians lie, They say they are going to do everything that will get them in the office, but when they are in the office they either forget or don't give a shit. Clinton and Obama both have good plans. So right now I am 50/50 Fuck race Fuck gender what are you going to do for me, my kids, my kids kids.

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MAK™ — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:50:50 GMT

what 69_delta88 said....

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hiphop nerd — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:15:52 GMT

'I've been to yoga with john edwards'

'I don't have any political needs'

the man cracks me up!

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poe — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:46:14 GMT

I'm still undecided myself & I hope u cats ain't one of those who votes for somebody by popular demand, vote for who's gonna make a positive impact on this country, not a negative like Bush.

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tumelo007 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:51:39 GMT

If i was an American, I was gona simply go for Obama.....You want change? First of all, Black President in America is change enough...Clintons ran the white house before, changed a lot of this but not enough domesticaly and internationaly....What makes you think Hillary is gona make significant changes to American International Policies if Bills one sucked.
Obama represents change, and change is what is urgently needed.

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ARSUN FiST — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:41:44 GMT

about time our generation actually cares about the political process...tho' we let the Bushes damn near drive America up shit's creek...i think whoever wins is gonna have a hard time "de-bushing" our country but they will have an even harder time "de-bushing" our image on a global scale...things are gonna get worse before it gets better...

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Mafamadix — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:00:56 GMT

I feel the same way Russ does. I would love to see a black president in office and Barack has a pretty good track record but Hilary's track record shows more experience. I do think I will vote for Barack. I don't think he will lead the nation astray. He has the weight of every African American on his shoulders. The world will be watching for every little mistake.

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odeisel — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:07:29 GMT

i dont get where all this experience comes in. last time i checked she was JUNIOR senator from new york, and the presidne'ts wife, not the president. her draconian helath care policy was bogus . it's real cute to hear universl healthcare but did any of you actually read it and understand the ramifications of it?

Imagine the resident fucking crying. how conveninet that they calling you a robot, then amazingly you showing emotion. odn't be foole dby none of that shit. Her husband that you guys love so much is just as responsible for supermax prisons and the cutting of social programs as anyone else. These black assholes who are actually aware of the political process should know better.

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Just_In — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:36:01 GMT

@69_delta88
Your absolutely right.

Although a Black Man in office would be a nice check point for the history books, a persons vote shouldnt be solely based on race or sex. I'm with Obama because of what I believe the change he will bring, the fact that he is black dont mean shit to me. People pay so much attention to race that they totally forget about the things that truly matter. The good thing about it all is that at least we(black community) are more inclined to vote this year than ever before so I am happy to see that we are all going to be out there in November having our say.

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69_delta88 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:40:06 GMT

As I sit back in my chair here at work makes a Man proud to see AHH putting down their views on Politics, and they say we are the lost generation, and don't care about our future, I love Hip Hop I love our views right or wrong we have a voice that will be heard, positive or negative we will be heard.

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mu$h da great — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:58:47 GMT

looks can be decieving but right now obama is looking like the better candidate to me. I still concerned about this bilberg corp. or (whatever there name is ) that is producing these voting ballad machines, its been publicized that ballads were manipulated in bushes favor in previous presedential elections.to my knowledge they are the only company producing ballad machines used in the presedential elections. there should be atleast 2 more companies producing them to lessen the "margin of error" as they called it . Im not affraid of us as voters not selecting the proper candidate, however I am fearful that these mufuckers are gonna cheat us out of our voice . or something fluckey in going to transpire before everything is said & done.

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SPATE Magazine All Day — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:17:46 GMT

Bob Johnson had some hard words for Obama. It's interesting to see such a promising black male figure that is not getting supported. The world is changing as we see it and people are just too stubborn to flow with it. I'm not saying support him because he is black but support him because he is the best candidate. There is no one running that could do a better job then him, point blank.

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FATT MATT — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:22:59 GMT

MAN I WAS THINKING ABOUT VOTING FOR HILL CLINTON, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A BLACK PRESIDENT. AND WE CAN SAY WHAT EVER WE WANT BUT COLOR MATTERS..OBAMA BRINGS A BRIGHTER DAY FOR ALL RACES IN MY EYE'S... WE BEEN THROUGH THE CLINTONS ONCE.. I WANT A CHANGE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY , THEY CAN ONLY GO UP FROM HERE.. BECASUE THE BUSH'S FUCKED THE U.S. UP SOMETHING HORRIBLE....

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illseed — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:24:29 GMT

Bob Johnson thinks one thing: $$$$$$$$$$$$$

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college almost-dropout — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:14:52 GMT

Barack the Vote!... as long as Barack doesnt screw us... i dont trust Hillary cause shes playin the game like the last President played it... sumthin about her i dont trust, and its not because of her race... she just seems very cocky and rude... also i dont trust her agenda... id go with a people person over someone with their own agenda naturally... just gotta wait and see wha Obama is really like... he's interesting...

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DetroitsDaughter — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:14:56 GMT

Very good piece, Chuck... and the new pull quotes are that deal... that article was better than a cup of Gumbo Ya Ya.

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vega_diamond — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:17:56 GMT

hillary doesn't convince me enough. she lacks the conviction in her speeches and she just comes across as un-ginuine. she's been around for a minute but she has been letting bill do all the talking and fighting for her. she hasnt proven that she can stand up to a big battle. Barak has done the exact opposite, plus he can deliver a good speech. I like his stand on issues. Hillary is too emotional and doesnt hide it well..... but there;s still time to make a decision....

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college almost-dropout — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:20:25 GMT

Bob Johnson is a joke... i dont even know why his opinion is even being heard... what does he have to do with anything...?

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NightFall914 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:21:44 GMT

The fact is that ALL humans, blacC,white male or female once in positions of people become dangerous. Very few have shown the ability to be 100% for the people so I take all promises from the canidates witha grain of salt.

BUT as a 26 yr old blacC man 20+ yrs of my life has seen a Clinton or a Bush running this nation and change is mos def in order. Obama in office will force this twisted nation to finally take a real hard look at itself.

There needs to ba a serious house cleaning before the U.S can attempt to tell other nations what to do.

Finally, FucC Rob "Amerikkka's Next Top House Nigga" Johnson!!!!!

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darrick72 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:22:48 GMT

What change would she be? None....she's just a white man in a skirt. The world needs to see a face different from the 43 previous portraits. America needs to stay away from political dynasties, especially those as closely entrenched in special interests and the Bushes and the Clintons. Wise up black people. This is our chance. The time is now.

OBAMA!!! OBAMA!!!

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darrick72 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:24:10 GMT

P.S. Obama Boombaye!

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silencedaxiom — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:34:17 GMT

ummmm two words.

Ron Paul.

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JigsawTheGod — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:43:54 GMT

I wish i had some Gumbo Ya Ya on the real. haha

I'm certain russ is leaning towards hillary (thats pretty clear), but he and she been around long enuff to befriend people and what not...thats partially a NY thing and Partially a "i'm seasoned in the game" thing too. i think its interesting the people dont really note that barack has a very large white following too...so, in many ways, hillary is in the same predicament as barack. the clintons are just used to having the black vote all to themselves. with edwards in the mix, her white constituency is further split, which favors barack...i dunno...very interesting.

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j_ray — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:25 GMT

it's great following these primaries...it's like having two sets of playoffs....watch the game, watch the debate....catch highlights on espn, catch highlights on cnn

good stuuf!

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jalamc048 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:12:48 GMT

i don't think i'm voting for either... i'm still undecided

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odeisel — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:22:06 GMT

i think it's good for obama that all these black demogogues are not pulling for him. it makes all people think damn he cna't be that bad if THEY don't like him

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Krow132 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:31:37 GMT

She talks about experience. How long ago was she a senator? Bill Clinton left office in what 00 or 01. She became a senator in 2001 . Isnt that around the same time Obama was becoming senator 2 or 3 years after that?

She talks about change? What is she gonna do differently from what Bill Clinton did?

She talks about Obama is a great public speaker but behind close doors he does something different cause he voted to fund the iraq war in the second year the troops were there. Didn't she vote for us to go into Iraq in the first place also?

Than she says shes not trying to portray Obamas campaign as a race issue and they are the ones trying to play on race. Then why did she compare Obama to MLK Jr. Why she couldnt use the example of the difference between talking and doing with any other leader? In Essence, she brought up race.

She just goes down lower and lower to me everyday to the point im not even considering her anymore. Its between Obama and Edwards for me personally

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GrowSome — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:33:36 GMT

You know I’m going to try to appeal to you guys that are on the rope about this, the mogul (Russ) “hope he or someone in his family reads this”, and the 50/50 people who act like they don’t know what side of the jail yall going to walk on. And it is as simple as that, we would love not to make this whole election thing about race most black people have good hearts and were at one point looking for a hope and a dream, which is something else that is MIND-BOGGLING if you as a black American didn’t side with MLK on his quest for equality (which will only began when we have people (on the most part) who look, talk, eat, and smoke (LOL, okay that was a joke) like us). Fo-real though, our ancestors died for this period in time were we can really make MLK’s dream a reality. Look how long its taken for a black man, one on the level with no nonsense tied to him to get in this position and now when he is there all of a sudden we as black folk want to get decisive and righteous. My people bewilder me, talking about it would be ignorant to vote for a man because he is black. In my opinion it is just as ignorant to vote for someone who switches up there flow to suite a certain ethnicity, and every candidate I’ve ever known has done this, until now. I have nothing against Hillary but that she is a woman and I’m old fashion if a woman can’t run my house (traditionally, understand this!) then she damn sure can’t run my country are you kidding. She can help me do it. And I’m sorry if it sounds like this and like that but it’s the truth, simply put. I’m not mad at the Clintons for what they did/didn’t do but we got somebody who we are HOPEful will do a little better (isn’t this what MLK was talking about). Get some history! We have had the same white president for ages and again race has nothing to do with it but when you talk about a significant change what is more significant than the color of you skin, why do you think its so hard for people to get around this. Like-wise we sit here in this country knowing we need a significant change and sure Democratic as opposed to Republican is of significance too. But bigger than that is color! So wake the ‘F’ up yall you are not a racist if you buy from your own have faith in your own and trust in your own. And just because we had some white folks (presidents) that we have adopted as our own and “work” amongst us (true adoptees break bread with us health/financial wise) let us not get it twisted we voted them in as the “at least / might as well, if I’m gonna do it” vote. This year people we have the opportunity to vote with our hearts, our minds, and souls. We have got to wake up people. The man is qualified, I’m too afraid of waiting four more years for some more experience, or to see if another one will make it this far. I don’t know about yall but I’m tired of people who don’t look like me representing me. I work for a fortune 500 company and all of the pics on the wall in the upper office have the same in-significant / significant thing in common “COLOR” you decide------------------------------------
WE ALL WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO DECIDE COME NOVEMBER of this year. Bless you all, BTW this will be the first year ever I voted (20 years) didn’t have enough faith till now.

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AFRIRICAN — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:07:34 GMT

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Who cares about these tow that do not have the interests of working class Black, Latino, White, Asian and Native American, and fuck Russell Simmons, HIP HOP FOR PRESIDENT,

Obama wins the Iowa Caucus...

Hillary Clinton falls back on her white privilege....

Young People come out in record numbers....

Yet issues effecting African-American Latina/o, Asian and Native youth are not spoken about!

Xenophobic Laws and Police Brutality against Spanish speaking immigrants soars!

The Black and Latino Female and Male Prison Population continues to increase!

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AFRIRICAN — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:09:51 GMT

RUSSELL SIMMMONS IS NOT HIP HOP, this was written in 2001, so it is dated, but i stand by the politics, peace

An open letter in response to Peter Noels� article, "The Minster vs. the Mogul" which appeared in the Village Voice on April 25th, 2001
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0117/noel.shtml

Dear Russell:
Here is a new flash, as quiet as its been kept YOU ARE NOT HIP-HOP!
You didn�t know? Many of us have this conversation about you and others in the industry like you every day. The industry who has pimped hip-hop culture so the chosen few of you can live in a MTV crib, wear Iceberg jeans, Phat Farm sweaters, and Sean John fur coats, much of which I�m sure are made in sweatshops by Black and Brown children who earn an average of .75 cents a day and we can not forget about the �Bling-Bling� diamonds that are mined by South African workers who�s life expectancy is

"Russell, as quiet as its been kept YOU ARE NOT HIP-HOP!"

You promote rappers not hip-hop, you must have forgotten or maybe you never knew, Hip-Hop culture is compromised of five elements:
The DJ�s
The Lyricist�s
The Graffiti artists
The Break-dancers
Knowledge

"Russell, as quiet as its been kept YOU ARE NOT HIP-HOP!"

So I read you are putting together a "Hip-Hop" summit which includes David Mays, publisher of The Source, a magazine that is 60% advertising, and much of the advertising totally denigrates Black and Latina women, and the Reverend Al Sharpton? Am I missing something, when did Rev. Al become hip-hop? Oh, I remember, it was when he went to Cuba and said he wanted to bring rappers to Cuba, but please lets not get it twisted hip-hop is part of youth culture and for over 6 years the International Youth Festival has its base rooted in Hip-Hop culture been in Cuba for. Well when you have this next Hip-Hop summit maybe it will actually include those in the Hip-Hop generation, youth, women and Latino�s and this time skip Harvard, come to Harlem.

Russell, you say rappers and hip-hop executives have closed ranks against Minister Conrad Muhammad, so what if they have? Hell "Hip-Hop" executives, those who wish to make a profit of our culture have closed ranks against the Hip-Hop generation. Where we all of you when the Hip-Hop community united over the issue of AIDS, APARTHIED, POLICE BRUTALITY, GUN VIOLENCE, and the BOMBING OF VIEQUES, PUERTO RICO? Yes, I remember where you were; you were having those fundraisers for Senator Hillary Clinton, Former President Bill Clinton, and having your summer Hampton party�s hob-knobbing with the likes of Donald Trump and Martha Stewart. How many fundraisers have you heard for the numerous of grassroots organizations? Let me name a few in case you don�t know who they are:

Malcolm X Grassroots Movement, Youth Force, Youth Ministries for Peace and Justice, Sista 2 Sista, El Puente Youth Academy, Prison Moratorium Project. All those organizations work around issues such as political prisoners, the Rockefeller Drug Laws, The Prison Industrial Complex, Police Brutality, Violence against women, the AIDS epidemic in our community etc�. Give me a call and I will help set up the meeting so you can meet them. Instead of hosting one of your many fundraisers for white elected officials, why don�t you host a fundraiser or better yet attend one of the many events and mobilizations that these Black and Latino/a youth organize.

"Russell, as quiet as its been kept YOU ARE NOT HIP-HOP!"

THIS IS HIP-HOP
# The Annual Black August concert, which is a celebration of Hip-Hop and Freedom Fighters
# The International Cuban Hip-Hop Festival
# Stress magazine
# The Universal Zulu Nation
# Rock Steady Crew
# Dead Prez---who�s album "Lets Get Free" has been called a poetic 10-point program for our generation
# Mos Def and Talib Kweli helping to raise the Nikru Cultural Education Center in Brooklyn
# Common�s support of many political exiles such as Assata Shakur
# The Wu-Tang Clan�s recent trip to Albany with over 2000 young Black and Latino�s who rallied to repeal the Rockefeller Drug Laws

Russell, it is my belief that the images that you and your peers help to promote are the images that allow law enforcement to criminalize the Hip-Hop generation, the images you create allow for 10 year children to use the word Nigga, Bitch, Ho, Chickenhead, Dog, as frequently as they say "What�s Up?"

The images many music industry people promote allow for the sexual exploitation of our women, the murder of our young men at the hands of police, and ultimately the images you and your peers promote are why our youth are filling up prisons in record numbers. As recently as last week these images that have been created have not allowed police to focus their attention on "Rappers."

"Russell, as quiet as its been kept YOU ARE NOT HIP-HOP!"

You may be correct when you state that Minster Conrad Muhammad�s words "Will not endear him to the rap community," but guess what? It will allow those of us who love Hip-Hop culture to begin to come together, discuss, debate and come up with proactive solutions. Minister Muhammad�s words have the potential and power to serve as a catalyst for the Hip-Hop community who love and breath real Hip-Hop. We who need the Afrika Bambaataas�, Public Enemys�, Sister Souljahs�, KRS-ONE�s, The Rock Steady Crews, The Bobbitos�, The Tony Touchs�, The Stress Magazines�, The Dead Prezs�, Queen Godis�, Welfare Poets and the many Graff artists and breakdancers who speak truth to power. These Hip-Hop artists are not in it for the money, the bling-bling or the $350 bottle of Cristal. They don�t want the fancy cars; fur coats nor the mansions; they just to contribute to the greater good of the community. What do you want?

So in closing, I hope you read these words carefully, yes I have chosen to blow up your spot, I am not keeping yours, P-Diddy�s or Sylvia Rhones secret anymore, you are not HIP-HOP, we the people are HIP-HOP!

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DUBZ01 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:30:09 GMT

i don't think i'm gonna vote for any of them.
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illseed — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:43:55 GMT

i've been waiting for "barack obama" to run for president most of my damn life....a black president that 1) makes some damn sense 2) doent have blood on his hands 3) is relatively honest and 4) has a broad appeal.

with that said, i think he is for everybody more than hillary. russell knows it. those guys totally have their special interests and the clintons have racked up a lotta favors with their power thru the years...on a money level. thats why magic comes out and bob comes out.

Barack is of the people, for the people.

he's still in american politics so i am not seeing him as any messiah or anything like that, but i certainly believe he is a better choice than hillary at this time. hill could win and i wouldnt slit my wrists, but if one of these yahoo cats like mccain or rudy "9/11" guliani wins...i am blowing my brains on the white house lawn.

ok, that was extreme....but 4 more years of baby bushes is not WHOA.

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mIkE dA cHaMp — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:51:46 GMT

bottom line... its be real bad for one of them idiot republicans to win. so over all... as long as its hillary or barack. we should be in a better position. they both got positives. its just a matter of who's positives gonna win over the masses more. universal healthcare or change

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thehiphopnerd_08 — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:43:36 GMT

Honestly, the best ideas I've been hearing coming out of this whole campaign have come from John Edwards mouth...

But none of the candidates really impress me...

I'm waiting on somebody to adopt Edwards message about the two Americas...

I'm waiting on somebody to else to speak on the American healthcare system like Mike Huckabee (who stole this from Tommy Thompson before he dropped out on the Republican side) who recognizes that we have a system that doesn't worry about your health until you're sick...

I'm waiting on somebody else to speak up like Ron Paul about America's foreign policy blunders...

I'm waiting on somebody to be bold enough to take an Al Gore like stance on the environment and global warming...

I'm waiting on somebody to get up on Barack Obama's "come together" message and end bi-partisan feuding and political bullshit...

I'm waiting on somebody else to say they haven't taken any money from the lobbyists and special interest groups like Edwards and Obama claim...

Essentially, I'm waiting on a candidate that doesn't exist...and I'm not down for voting for the lesser of two evils...

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DJ_SHONA — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:48:03 GMT

im with u illseed. this is the kind of politician and person ive been waiting for to and in terms of american government, he's the best we can hope for.

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ThatDamnJay — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:53:40 GMT

Hillary's too polarizing a figure in politics...If she's elected, the next 4 years will be JUST LIKE the last 4. Why? Because all the Republicans are gonna attempt to block whatever policies and procedures she brings to the table. Some out of animosity, others due to her party. Expect more partisan gridlock.

Obama is a fresh candidate, and isn't a "member" of Washington yet. He's still relatively untested, but that can be a positive or a negative, depending on who's looking. The potential for partisan gridlock is also there, but consider the man's voting history...All those "present" votes he made in the pasat were made because he didn't agree with the issue at hand, but didn't have a way of addressing them...So instead of contributing to the problems we're already facing, he chose to simply acknowledge his presence...As president, he'll be in a better position to actually affect change.

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kim jong-ill — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:08:49 GMT

Russ is a black version of the white elitist culture that governs the world which is why he's having a hard time deciding.
He doesn't know how Obama is going to affect his money which is why he's hesitant to commit.

My choice is pretty cut and dry for me. Even as a man who lacks experience, Obama can't be any worse than Bush.

Obama Bumaye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MACCAPONE — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:16:21 GMT

MySpace URL:

http://www.myspace.com/maccapone1

RUSSELL MAKE UP YOUR MIND PIMP........

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System_Of_A_Brown — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:52:05 GMT

i think the republicans would have a better chance against clinton. if you ever watch fox news ( yea i know, but its good for a few laughs sometimes!) the republican "pundits" straight up say that they would prefer that clinton win the democratic ticket.

obama has more mass appeal.

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GrowSome — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:23:51 GMT

Whoever thought I would get a post history lesson here a AHH, check this, reading all these comments many of you struck me on this cord: we say none of our decisions should be based on race yet we live in a country where 90% (a percentage that’s on the decline) of the decisions made by the common folk and roughly 95% (a percentage that is not changing anytime soon) of the upper class people, do. Understand those are opinionated percentages but truthfully I don’t think I am that far off. And I’m guessing most of you all who have mentioned not using race is of the darker decent (for a lack of a better term at this time). We don’t like a sense of injustice because we are a passionate people. Think about this though when we look at the economic state of the darker decent who can help but arrive at the conclusion that its in ruins (overall). Yet we are always stating we shouldn’t base our decisions on race. I’m curious do any other race say that, hey lets not make our decisions based on race; hell no. Wonder why??? Cause they have a different value system; with some its honor, and with others is the synonymous/equivalent term “family”. And those races that use this system when you look at them they all are in a better economic state than us (those of the darker decent). So maybe this is why I see color and sticking close to my own as a must. Let me make the overall association: if we are mainly the only culture whom questions using race in making decisions yet all other cultures use exactly that, miraged in “my honor or my family” and all of them are somehow doing better than our culture on the whole’ economically. We can go out on the limb a say we are the only ones who would question supporting our own. And the point is If you are not smart enough to see the clear difference in who should be our next pres… and vice pres… use race if you have to, damn you wouldn’t be doing anything different from what most of America has already done (years prior)(BTW how do I explain white folks voting for Obama well they are fed up with bullshyt). We need to stop bullshytin too!
YES we as a culture need an enema. *smdh*

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DSheezy — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:32:42 GMT

I THINK ITS FUNNY THAT ALOT OF BLACK PEOPLE ARE QUICK TO SAY "IM NOT GONNA VOTE FOR OBAMA SIMPLY BECAUSE HE'S BLACK" WHICH IS IRONIC BECAUSE IF HE DOES GET THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION ALL OF THE CONSERVITAVE WHITE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE THINKING THE SAME THING. "THEY WONT VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS BLACK"

I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE VIEWD AS ONE BUT COME YA'LL LETS BE REAL. THERE HAS BEEN AND WILL BE HATRED AND DISCRIMATION AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE FROM THE TIME OUR ANCESTORS WERE BOUGHT HERE ON SLAVE SHIPS. AND ITS SAID THAT AS A PEOPLE IT APPEARS THAT SOME ARE QUICK TO FORGET OUR PAST.

AND WHILE ITS GOOD THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF US BLACK PEOPLE WILLING TO GIVE HILL A CHANCE, ME AS A BLACK MAN WOULD FEEL BETTER WITH A PRESIDENT WHO IS NOT ONLY QUALIFIED TO RUN THIS COUNTRY BUT ALSO ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BASED ON THEIR SKIN COLOR.

THOSE WHO FORGET THERE HISTORY ARE DESTINED TO REPEAT IT.

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DSheezy — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:36:06 GMT

AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT VOTING FOR RON PAUL, DONT WASTE YOUR VOTE AND READ THIS ARTICLE ABOUT THE PERSON YOU THINK SHOULD BE PRESIDENT.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

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Laws456 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:18:44 GMT

Read This carefully.....

Blacks Learning
'Goldwater Girl' Hillary Was AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964....Feel Deceived !

A March 12, 2007 article written by acclaimed Washington columnist Robert Novak sheds a very revealing light on the true sentiment of Hillary Clinton during the peak of the Civil Rights Movement. Clinton recently was found to have minimized the great and monumental strides taken by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. by stating that it was Lyndon B. Johnson, then president, who should receive the credit for civil rights progress including the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

In an attempt to attract black support Hillary Clinton regularly shares her 'civil rights experience' during every speech given to blacks audiences. Novak writes of one such speech at Selma's First Baptist Church on the 42nd anniversary of the "bloody Sunday" freedom march there, where Sen. Clinton declared: "As a young woman, I had the great privilege of hearing Dr. King speak in Chicago. The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear [King]. . . . And he called on us, he challenged us that evening to stay awake during the great revolution that the civil rights pioneers were waging on behalf of a more perfect union." But Novak's article states that there's a big problem with her statement.

The fact is, in 1963, the same period of time she speeks of at all black church appearances, not only was Hillary Clinton a republican, but she was also a staunch supporter of republican Senator Barry Goldwater, well known as a segregationist and one of the most vocal senators adamently against the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which is why he lost in his presidential bid to Lyndon B. Johnson. Novak writes "...how then could she be a 'Goldwater Girl' in the next year's presidential election?" He continues, "...she described herself in her memoirs as 'an active Young Republican' and 'a Goldwater girl, right down to my cowgirl outfit.' (Hillary worked on Golwater's presidential campaign)

Novak adds, "As a politically attuned honor student, she must have known that Goldwater was one of only six Republican senators who joined Southern Democratic segregationists opposing the historic voting rights act of 1964 inspired by King. Hillary headed the Young Republicans at Wellesley College. The incompatibility of those two positions of 40 years ago was noted to me (Novak) by Democratic old-timers who were shocked by Sen. Clinton's temerity in pursuing her presidential candidacy." Novak adds, "What Hillary Clinton said at Selma is significant because it betrays her campaign's panicky reaction to the unexpected rise of Sen. Obama as a serious competitor for the Democratic nomination.

Clinton's plans were transformed by the advent of Obama, an African-American threatening the hard allegiance of black voters forged by Bill Clinton. On one hand, the Clinton campaign has attacked Obama and his supporters. On the other hand, she has sought to solidify her civil rights credentials.

While Clinton was re-inventing her past, her road to the White House is not going as planned. Instead of a steady procession to coronation at the Denver convention, she is involved in a real struggle against credible opponents led by Obama. No wonder she and her handlers were tempted to imply the existence long ago of a young lady in Chicago's suburbs who never really existed."

We greatly appreciate Mr. Novak's findings which bring one main thought to mind. Wake up Black America! DON'T BE FOOLED ! The fact is, Hillary was AGAINST the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that Dr. King died for. As a 'Goldwater Girl' she was even against Lyndon B. Johnson, the very person she now gives the credit to for Dr. King getting to the mountaintop. !

re: Russell Simmons & Hip-Hop Struggle With Clinton / Obama Endorsement

rhyme-x — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:26:17 GMT

Normally when a lion sees you it will bite or feed on you, now tell me what happens when you walk in front of a lion and he doesn’t react that simply means the lion isn’t hungry or it’s seriously injured. That same thing implies when you talk about race, when a white person is friendly and doesn’t appear to be harmful then you should know that person wants something from you but as soon as you have nothing to offer that person is ready to sell you out. I will say Simmons Russell knows who he is going to endorse he is all playing with the Clinton’s and to safe their so called long term relationship and if it was me I won’t think twice Black is Black and White is White I won’t turn blind just because I have been helped before by a white person before. And call me a racist I will prefer to house a black than a white period so somebody tell Russell that he has his mind made up already and he should stop pretending; this said it all “I’d love to see a Black president. I’d love my kids to see a Black president”. See it will be hard to see a woman rule America and the world included expect for England and Liberia that was in a conflict state when that lady won.

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Laws456 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:41:13 GMT

If that's not enough for you Russ, I don't know what is. Is it an age thing that makes people like Russ and Rob Johnson act the way they do? It baffles me because they are both older Black men who I don't think came up in wealthy families, so they should understand the struggles that Blacks in America have survived through. And Faggot ass Rob Johnson decides to get on tv with Clinton to talk shit about Barack. He disgusts me, and it's too bad he doesn't own BET cause if so I'd propose a boycott of anything he's affiliated with. If he wants to support Hilary because he likes her experience and so on then that's fine with me. But to go and talk shit about Barack is fuckin stupid. And Russell Simmons, he should know as well. Like someone else in here said, he's worried about his money being fucked up. But he's already filthy rich. He couldn't go broke if he slept for the rest of his life. Bill Clinton did a decent job, and most of us anointed him as the first "Black Pres" cause he smoked weed, and got some head in the Oval Office. But he was not the first Black President. We have an opportunity in 2008 to make that dream/joke/hope come to reality. I would say that this race is more about economics, Rich vs. Poor, than race. Because if it were all about race the Congressional Black Caucus would be 100% behind Obama, Russ and Pussy Johnson would also. I'm hoping that Russ is just playing this smart and waiting for more people to jump on the bandwagon before he decides. PolitriX is a very, very, very, tricky game.

Think about it, there are other prominent Black Leaders who have not yet endorsed a candidate. I often wonder why they don't stand with Obama, especially because he is a promising candidate. Then I thought long and hard, and this is where race IS a major factor. If too many of these so called Black leaders such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Farrakhan and his Nation, Russell, and so on were to endorse Obama; I think White America who are on the fence about Obama probably wouldn't vote for him because it would appear that he is so Pro Black that he wouldn't appeal to their needs or issues. I hope that's why they haven't jumped on his bandwagon yet. Just a thought, intelligent folks on here, give me some feedback.

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rhyme-x — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:51:02 GMT

Law456 you have said it all *Co-Signed*

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rhyme-x — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:57:14 GMT

Law456, so what you trying to say is that Black Leaders are still waiting on the outcome of February 5th before they stamp their tickets. And if that’s the case then they are really intelligent and they know what they are doing, you know I have started wondering why they are thinking twice before they endorse Obama because if not anybody they are the set of people that really experienced the racial injustice. Black is Power…

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Laws456 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:59:36 GMT

Thanx homey!! I knew someone was gonna see it like me. I know I'm not the only "crazy" ni**a in the room.

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rhyme-x — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:14:52 GMT

Anytime homey and everyone else sees it the way we see it but they are just trying to be considerate but America doesn't need that at this crucial stage. *VOTE OBAMA NOW OR SUFFER LATER* that's an headline they have to reflect on when 70% of people in jail are blacks sh*t.

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Laws456 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:16:07 GMT

@ Rhyme X

Exactly!!!! I WOULD like to think that they are playing possum in some kind of way. I'm sure the Right-Wing, ultra conservative media is waiting for Barack to slip up in some kind of way and then they'll attack. Now peep game, if they (Right-Wing) were to go on the attack towards Obama, people like Al Sharpton and so on would jump to his defense and make it a racial thing. Then, those white folks who are on the fence, would not vote because they'd say to themselves, "I knew he was only going to embrace issues that effect Blacks and not issues that effect us." As I said before Politrix is very tricky.

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rhyme-x — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:23:36 GMT

Not only is politics tricky but it's a dirty game and I am sure the advisers Obama has around him are bunch of intelligent Blacks that won't allow him to slip up because if he does we can continue to dream of a Black President simply because we don't have a media, all we've is a KKK media can you imagine them going against hip-hop just because Al Sharpton kicked Don Imus off the air waves and thank God that lady called Oprah Winfrey has made her intention known because she is black outside and white inside...

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Laws456 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:29:34 GMT

Real Talk my dude. This whole Democratic Race is funny because all 3 of the candidates left are keeping each other from being the front runner.

John Edwards - Appeals to middle class white America the most. And maybe to a small amount of middle class Blacks.

Hillary Clinton - Appeals to the middle and upper class white America. And because of Bill, appeals to a larger number of both upper and middle class Blacks.

Barack Obama - Appeals to lower, middle and upper class Blacks the most. The same for middle class whites. His meal ticket though is the youth. Meaning cats like you and I.

I didn't get all the groups in that little stat right there but I'll expand more on the overall issue right here.

Barack has an EXCELLENT chance of winning because John Edwards and Hillary Clinton are going to end up with half the number of votes they "could" get because they're going to cancel each other out in certain areas. Barack only has to worry about Uncle Tom ass Blacks like Rob Johnson whose money can influence others like him to vote for Clinton. But I believe that the majority of Black voters will vote for Obama when the time comes. Barack is going to end up taking votes from Hillary and John. So as long as Edwards remains in the race, Barack's chances of winning will continue to increase as the campaigning continues on.

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rhyme-x — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:43:24 GMT

Man you should be an analyst because I can picture what you are trying to say here, John and Hillary will share the upper/middle white class votes whereas Obama has the heart of the entire black populace and some of the middle/lower white class, shit makes sense you know. Lets just keep our fingers crossed for the outcome and if Obama wins the primary then Democrat will rule this country because no one is ready to vote for Republicans man. You need to make a trip to the mid-east to see how Americans are been regarded there...

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Laws456 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:49:13 GMT

LOL @ the Oprah comment. But you're right that endorsement from her is real Big!! We know her fanbase is real big and she carries a lot of weight. I always say that Barack should be the logical choice. Because George Bush got elected off the strength that his dad was the President. And look what his "experience" got us. She always makes the claim of having 35 plus years of experience but as the above article states, her husband was the President. She was the First Lady. He was the Governor, not her. If you look at the facts, Barack has worked his way to the top from the bottom. He wasn't from a rich family. His fam was low-middle class, so he knows how whites and Blacks struggle.

Edwards doesn't strike me as a bad choice either, but he's been in Politics too long. Barack has not been tainted by Washington like Hillary has. And the fact that he's Black would help him tremendously. Because now the elected lawmakers who have a large Black constituents, (Senators and Congressman) would have to pretty much bow to Barack if they want to keep their position in those places. Because if they go against him, or talk shit, they won't get re-elected. Thus making it easier for more minorities to get elected to office. Man, we can take this shit over if we were to wake up.

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rhyme-x — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:53:14 GMT

Uhm word of wisdom, it's really good getting to meet an intellect here and good looking out, stay sharp brother and peace.

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Laws456 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:12:16 GMT

Same to you. We'll see each other on here again...

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ChuckTaylor17 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:48:01 GMT

Obama has to win South Carolina primary on January 26 because it would be pivotal. He has 25 delegates and needs 2,000 delegates to get the nomination for the presidency. Also the nevada Caucus is coming on Jan 19 Support your candidates because at the end of the day it would be us young people who inherit this country not the older people!

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edit — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:56:00 GMT

I think thats a great article, especially good to see a black man whom helped create an industry in hip hop sit here and say he's undecided between a white woman and a black man. While for sure some voters will most likely vote for Barack because he's black or Hilary becauses she's white. I really believe that someone like Russ saying he's not sure who he's going to vote for can help relieve medias broadcast that the democrat primaries are simply race wars.

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chuckwaters — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:56:25 GMT

Let's see...

Clinton pushed healthare reform while her husband was in office, and stopped once a lobbyist paid her..

In all truth, the best politician is one with little experience. He/She has no promises to keep, and less likely to be tied to anyone.

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v4vendetta — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:56:52 GMT

I cannot tell Billary and Obama apart! They have similar issues.
Barack/Hillary aren't talking about saving the constitution, abolishing the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank and IRS, shrinking government and bringing ALL of the troops home from hundreds of bases United Snakes maintain around the globe!

...But Ron Paul is..
To me that's gangsta, and I have to go with ol homey on that. Plus, without the constitution, Hip Hop as we know it is done! Not to mention confiscation of our beloved ratchets! So this one's a no-brainer..Strike a blow for freedom and support the Ron Paul Revolution! Ya heard???

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v4vendetta — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:20:11 GMT

How soon we forget the dirt and blood that Slick Willie has under his nails...

1993 Crime Bill he signed that threw a generation of black males in jails and under the bus..

The Waco massacre where the Federal Gestapo bolted through their homes with a tank and burned like 82 men, women and children to a crisp! (quite a few blacks were in there)

The Sistah Souljah rejection where he denounced her for exercising her 1st Amendment Right.

The downsizing of our military closing of US bases here at home.
The selling of secret Nuclear and military technology to the Chinese!

The strange death of Ron Brown, a brother and longtime Clinton supporter and Commerce Secretary who died in a plane crash but had bullet wounds in the back of his head.

Whitewater Gate!
Vince Foster Death!
The Mena Arkansas Cocaine Connection.
The Bush crime family ties!
It goes on and on like black children being born..
Let us not forget the lying under oath about some breezy giving him brain and the real reason he was called the black president was because of all the sisters he smashed! Right under Hillary's nose!!
So this is what you negroes are getting when voting for Hillary!
(We expect her to run US affairs in light of all this?)
So Russell, Jesse, Al, Maya Angelou, Bun B, Bob Johnson and the rest of the niglets can eat their fried Chicken using Sharpton's hairgrease at the Inaugural Ball!! You want our guns? Well come and take it!!!!

Ron Paul '08...

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Gentle Jones — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:44:23 GMT

the united states people voted george bush jr in office for 8 years! do you think hillary or barack have a chance? i think that if either of them are on the final ticket then we might could have a republican president for another 4 years. look how much people went out and specially voted AGAINST george bush in the last election, but it wasn't enough to overcome all the rest of them votes...

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whackrapper sniper — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:46:44 GMT

I mean i would love to see a blk president, and i love what obama is talking about. but i might be leaning towards Hillary cause that camp has past experince in office, Ninjas had money, And you get two for the price of one cause Bubba will have say so.

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Bird — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:02:24 GMT

Wow, thank you thank you thank you for this informative article first of all.

I am an undecided voter, but in all honesty this article made points for Hills who I had began to lose some respect for over the past week. It seems like a no brainer that Russell should be supporting her as she has had his back in the past. There is something to be said for loyalty. It's unfortunate that he is torn simply because Barack is black. I have no doubt that Barack would have worked with him as well, but that is beside the point. Hillary is the one that did it and he can rest assured that if he remains silent he probably won't be able to count on her in the future. All of those actions are taken to ensure support at a time like this. What is Russel not getting?

Anyway, this was great and let me know that I really need to look deeper into these people's ACTIONS and not so much at their words.

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Laws456 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:06:05 GMT

@ V4Vendetta

I'd prefer Ron Paul over Hillary anyday. Actually I wouldn't mind seeing Paul as Barack's VP. Or Barack as Paul's VP. I knwo Barack is more liberal and Paul is a conservative, but that's the change we need. A blending of the two...

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gluvnast31 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:25:18 GMT

before people start leaning towards hillary. honestly ask yourself that whut "experience" does she really have? in all technicality, obama has been in elected politics longer than she has.

and if its in regards of the things outside of politics, then both have some sort of "experience" with obama being more hands on.

but if you believe by coat-tailing a former president as well being 1st lady of a governor prior to that is reason for "executive" experience then laura bush has JUST as much of that "experience".

personally, just like people shouldn't merely vote for obama due to his race, people shouldn't vote for hillary due to name recognition.

the only true experience, in my eyes that she has over obama is CAMPAIGN experience, because this is technically her 3rd time participating in campaigning a presidential election, so she knows all the tricks and manipulations and ect. in order to get election. but that DON'T neccessary mean she's right for the postion. the question is WHO IS THE BEST LEADER??? who can lead people together and have the right judgement to help this nation vs. who's merely out there for personal gain...that's whut people need to look at

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truth tella — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:40:21 GMT

AmeriKKKa will never vote a black man president.What happened to Jesse Jackson? They operation pushed his black azz right outta the election thats what happened.Dont be fooled by the system which we call the government.I dont care how many black folk vote for Obama or how many states he win it wont happen.The wealthy people controll the government not the poor.Theres only two classes of people that exist thats the haves & the have nots.Rich white folk are at the core of the system which means they regulate who will represent the system.The shit is so deep it would take me years to explain this corrupt government.Obama is a front man thats only there now to make it look like the government is equal & their is no race issue in this country.Somebody prove to me that they really are counting votes? Idont want to hear no text book propaganda either.Their could be a million votes for Obama & 0 for someone else how ya gone prove it?Then lets not forget about the Congress votes.Black people are a small minority group in this country & our votes are a small minority vote.I wont waste my time voting its just a smoke screen to give minority folk a face.I know somebody gonna say its because of people like me not voting why a Black Man cant win also.I ask u to only prove to me that my vote is counted then i will vote.Untill then its just anotha day in the hood in AMERIKKKA.

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tupacfan35 — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:44:39 GMT

I Could cares less about republicans and democrats, the only person I'm voting for is ron paul.

And Obama will not hitlery's vice president, because of his opposition to the war in iraq.

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tupacfan35 — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:34:32 GMT

You speak the truth v4vendetta

That's why I Left the democratic party last year and became libertarian and now republican to vote for paul.

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illseed — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:54:57 GMT

OBAMA IN 2008!!!!!

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Musiclover79 — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:18:01 GMT

I would rather see a woman.

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TobyTheSlave — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:01:58 GMT

Eyes is gonna vote for massa clinton.

Massa clinton is a good massa.

Massa clinton gives us ole ni$$as plenty

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Dr.Truth — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:05:18 GMT

Man give me a break. If you vote for Hillary then you are by far a fucking idiot. Hillary is a power hungry Bish who think america owes her the presidency. I rather vote for John McCain than her.

Keep it Obama 08'

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Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:19:50 GMT

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MsMia — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:17:15 GMT

Russell speaks his mind!!! I lovedd how everything was layed out on the table when he posed some questions to both Obama and Hil here:

http://www.globalgrind.com/ContentDetail.aspx?cid=6762

Let the voting beginnnn!

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MikeBelgrove — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:39:45 GMT

One of our guys over on Highbrid Nation did <a href="http://highbridnation.com/2008/03/03/russell-simmons-endorses-barack-obama/">a post on Russell Simmons backing Barack Obama</a>. Lol, he didn't have very kind things to say about it. I'd have to agree with him too. Russell is one of the founding fathers of hip hop but he's not really relevant to the crowd he tries to speak on behalf of.

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