Wiley: Grime Time

re: Wiley: Grime Time

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re: Wiley: Grime Time

Que4Real — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:45:34 GMT

I Digg Homey. Once U Pay them dues in the game good things come out.

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re: Wiley: Grime Time

Water Ur Seeds — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:50:32 GMT

Hes doin His thing, but I aint A fan ov Grime, I like the energy, and the lyrical ability on A few tracks tho, but over all I aint A fan.

re: Wiley: Grime Time

STORMTROOPER — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:38:09 GMT

Wiley is one of the best producer's of the modern era.. From when you can produce tunes like Eskimo, you're a modern day musical genius. I doubt very much that he'll get the commercial success that he so wants, and even deserves. He's a lot older now, and realistically he should have 2 more years as an emcee and then focus entirely on production and artist development. He is the father of the grime scene, everyone in London knows it- and respects him for it.

'Wearing my rolex' is a big commercial tune, if he made an album with music like that he'd sell 30,000-80,000 records in the U.K alone. If i was him i'd make music under a different name, just like how Cee-lo did with Gnarls Barkley. People may call it 'selling out' but when he turns 40 years old and he dont have the money that he should have after all the work he's put in, he'll be like ''why didn't i just make music that will sell and make me money...''

I've been listening to grime from when i was in year 8, recording sets onto tapes... im now 20.. thats 8 years. And before that i was a big fan of drum n bass & jungle. I first saw Wiley when he was in 'Pay as you go cartel'... and he's developed as a vocalist a lot since then. He was known for his repetitive bars, back when there was the So Solid clash. He's improved a lot!!! But anyway... the future of grime is in the hands of guys like Wiley, Skepta, JME and Lethal B as those artists are involved with artist development. Dizzee and Kano need to come back to help fix the foundations, East (infact the whole scene) needs get back it's unity... fire bun all the clashing business, go get that money!!

Shout out to Lioness (best female emcee !!!) Little Dee, all the other Blue Borough affiliated artists... Nu Brand Flexx, Skepta, JME, D Double E, Dizzee Rascal and most of all Eski Boy Wiley... ur a legend fam, true STories.

re: Wiley: Grime Time

richie sick — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:32:11 GMT

grime don't seem like a new art form to me. they didn't even talk aesthetics in that news story. it ain't nothin but hardcore hip-hop. besides, onyx was the first ones talkin bout "grimey".

dudes songs were cool though. i'm feelin his music.

re: Wiley: Grime Time

Swytch — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:27:52 GMT

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re: Wiley: Grime Time

Water Ur Seeds — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:47:18 GMT

@ Ricke Sick
Grime is nuffin like Hip hop in the slightest

Wearin My Rolex is wack to, but there are few grime tracks are feel

Allhiphop, why dont U do A piece on sum good UK rappers man? Klashnekoff has got A new album comin out soon, sort it out please!

re: Wiley: Grime Time

richie sick — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:12:54 GMT

@Water Ur Seeds said

speak on it then, my nigga. drop some jewels. lace the game. you got the ball. let's see you run with it.

grime has lyricists spitting rhymes that speak about the inner-city struggle. grime appropriates the hip-hop image (slang, clothes, etc.). grime is practiced by disadvantaged blacks in the innercity. grime was born in the innercity. grime artists like to squabble, stab, and shoot. "grime" takes its name from onyx, and their griminess. grime music features heavy-ended rhythmic beats, with emphasis on drums and bass.

so separate grime from hip-hop for me, keeping in mind you said it isn't like it in the "slightest". which means not at all. therefore, your list better be a WHOLE lot longer than mine, ya heard.

re: Wiley: Grime Time

Water Ur Seeds — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:59:18 GMT

First off, Im from UK, and got loads of bredrens in the grime scene, as well as the UK Hip Hop scene, from producers to MCs. Im not keen on grime, but A big fan of UK Hip Hop.

Hip Hop is not just practiced by blacks and people in the inner city... anymore. At the end ov the all the shooting, stabbing, 'squabbling' is irrelevant Im talking about the music, other wise U cud say rock music is hip hop if thats the case. Not all hip hop, its bout guns, murder, violence and money, not what I listen to anyway.

I understand where U coming from, coz they MC, but the beat is at like 130 plus beats per minute with crazy baselines etc, also they dont talk much apart from violence unlikehip hop, they repeat there lines, like for example: Man A get shot, Man A stab, Man A get jacked, Shanked, Shanked, Shanked What brappp!!! lol That aint Hip Hop fam, they have different patterns in there tunes to, at the end ov the day, they dont use hip hop beats, like U wouldnt call Drum and Base hip hop, or happy house or dance music either, they have MCs, but in no way shape or form would U call them Hip Hop. They also clash alot as well. They also have electrick samples quite often. Its mostly about bringin loads of energy to A track, not all bout your lyrics. Hip Hop is bout tellings stories and dopin knowledge etc

And UK didnt get the word grime from Onyx, I know Oynx used to say grimey and that, but thats not where they got it from, its coz the beats and the baselines are grimey.

Check these and see what you think. Take time to listin to a least abit ov each tune. PEACE

UK Hip Hop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vL0zhBdCk8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAr4jVZIV2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv-lx1xd5G4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOd7Cum5ng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59aQXRmDuaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqOgxUWw_PQ

UK Grime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgPXjlBQx3E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENq5rJDFA1o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK51PpoRVDU

re: Wiley: Grime Time

Water Ur Seeds — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:03:34 GMT

@Richie Sick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRu_OA0r0RM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAeiX9iNmrw&feature=related

re: Wiley: Grime Time

richie sick — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:18:07 GMT

good shit, my nig. you broke that shit down nicely. thanks for the knowledge, and the links to the music. i can see i was wrong. i got a different impression from the videos that were attached to the article, and also that news story. i should have looked into it a little more.

that roll deep song was kinda bangin to me. unique music. but i can't really get with that other super fast, electro type shit.

by the way, i wasn't meaning to give the impression that hiphop is all about murder and money. it's a strong theme in hiphop, and i saw it echoed in the grime samples i saw, that's all i was saying.

over and out. from tha yay to tha uk!

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KAdo-eM — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:13:02 GMT

Nah Richie that guy is wrong. He made Grime sound so negative, that Grime mcs arent good lyrically. Typical UK Hip Hop fan trying to shit on Grime.

Wretch 32 - Punctuation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_shm7bKtKUw

Ghetoo - Top 3 Selected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOuXcS_0BTg

Ice Kid - Water It Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=251i0Cj04UA

Thats just a tip off the iceberg, i can even show u Grime artists doing hip hop better than most UK Hip Hop artists. There's a couple UK Hip Hop acts that are good but they fail to grab attention from the US and they are pissed that Grime is getting more recognition.

Ghetto - So Damn Dedicated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTdn05tnQGA

Wretch 32 & Faith SFX - Play Hard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYb0pb3gI2o

Ice Kid - Hold You Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZtIVWSfDOY

There's 3 grime artists doing both Hip Hop n Grime.

re: Wiley: Grime Time

KAdo-eM — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:14:00 GMT

By the way ice kid is 16/17

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Water Ur Seeds — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:34:59 GMT

@ Richie

Safe star, Im glad U like sum UK stuff still, Peace

@ Kado

I aint shitin on Grime blud, We all entitled to are OPINIONS, I like some grime, but I think some ov it is wack. Sumtimes Im really impressed by them. Skepta is good, but sum is just terrible. Its very basic. I got Dizzees albums, Kano's album, wen I mean in the mood I like abit ov grime, but some dickheads are so ignorant wen they spit I gotta laugh and stop listing. Wot I was just sayin to Richie is that Grime is not Hip Hop. And Im sure Ur agree with Me, U just stated Urself that some grime people spit BOTH grime and Hip Hop.

Grime artist have some easy listin punch lines etc, but couldnt come near to touch lyrics likle these

Jehst -
Calculate the maths, navigate the maps
travel through the minds eye, meditate relax
find time and create the space to make tracks
celebrate the fact, that we escaped the traps layed to catch
the subconscious mind decieve mankind and leave the third eye blind
but my insight can not be impaired, I’m visually aware
although initially unprepared for the actuality
stifled by the practicalities of creatively, I seek freedom
I visualise the scene, I can see the grand scheme through these eyes
and dreams
my stream of consciousness is liquid tranquility
a turquoise pool of limitless calligraphy
my brain engaged in sub-aquatic activity
the endangered species released from captivity to reclaim the rainforest
and roam the outback, in the clouds we compose a soundtrack
I focus on beats and day dream about that
the fat cat scheme but we avoid the mouse trap
its abstract as a androids aspirations
seen through computer generated animations
a rainbow of pixels, invisible to the fickle
your will too weak, ya bones brittle
my flows a lone trickle of liquid on the sickle of a druid
the essence of this - the life fluid
life, I pursue it with a passion
lights camera action, another cinematic adaption

Klashnekoff
Yo my thoughts grow like herb in wild fields of mango
A certain man of jankrow, I'm flexed like flamingo
I'm buffalo, this shit gets venomous like Kosovo
The manimal, man of maneuver undetectable
I'm out the manor smokin' the poisonous vegetable
Soakin' in herbs and drawin' the vital mineral
Channel my inner Chi, regain my energy
Can't ya see me, I'm a soldier
Penetrate the pain barrier
Carry the legacy that's left by my father
Dictate my work manifest into scripture
I paint my pictures with sound clash
Ya sound crash no counteractions
I cut my dubs from the stomach of the mountains
Buildin' the rhythm from the natural surroundings
Surrounded in red mist
Yo, grabbin' my Charlie Bronson, manifestin' ya death wish

klash
ow triple nine is the reflection of the ripplin' time
While cripple minds run blind into the eye of the storm
I've fought wars and returned war torn
My wife was scorned, she took the life of my first born
So be warned, these days of times are now transformed
A pen is a now formed of states and collateral
As clapped opium petrels, a rose sent to capture you
From Clapton to Katmandu, what can a man do?
It said man handle my inner feeling, sealing the inner angles
Maintain my balance while walkin' on broken ankles
My moods manifest into red shades of scandals
Home of website of the seed we weave
My chest heave, I breathe to ventilate this grief
I'm seekin' relief in a brief glimpse of Parrowdice
Beget left paralyzed from the Jankrows and parasites
My eyesight, from great heights of hindsight
I'm tryin' to line the blind mind with divine light
But find my life to be a start to the death
So fuck vex, my mind state is Semtex
Explosive guides of venomous viper
Stalk the beats like a wild tiger
The Son of Niah, spit my phlegm on the flames of desire