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Transformers or Trans-Coon-ers? 
Published Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:54 AM
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By Harry Allen
That Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, which just opened this week, is a narrative and conceptual mess is neither surprising nor the greatest of its blames. That it is, at critical moments, visually incomprehensible—and this from someone who considered the faceted clatter of the first film’s shifting multiplanes, at moments, symphonic—is the least of its faults.

Mudflap and Skids

That it endorses crude racism, however, serving up, not one, but two near-buckdancing, shiftless Black stereotypes—the sambots, as one reviewer adeptly punned, Skids, top and above right, and his twin (get this), Mudflap—reveals not only how clearly insulated the white people who work at Paramount and for director Michael Bay appear to be in their racial supremacy, but how out of touch they must be with developing, changing American and world tastes in entertainment. (That’s without even getting into what will surely be Afrocentric outrage at key scenes of desecration.)


Here’s my prediction: Transformers: ROTF will do huge first-week numbers, based on awe-inspiring trailer footage, then rapidly descend in flames from orbit, as people share with friends that the film is a stinking, heaving pile of constipated rhinoceros feces.


Let me put it this way: I saw it on a massive, five-story high Imax screen with a crowd of expectant, excited, average New Yorkers in their 20s and 30s. The biggest response that night was for the Imax trailer which precedes the showing of each film. Throughout the entire movie, no one cheered, no one gasped, no one did much of anything. There were a few laughs, but even the small number of guffaws we heard for ROTF’s desperately unfunny, jive-talking duo seemed concentrated to a few hillbillies strafed over and behind my right shoulder.


jazz-bot


Remember Jazz, right, the windmilling, beatbox-blaring Autobot from Transformers? You may, or may not, because, though a groan-inducing aspect of the first film, he wasn’t continuously on screen.


As escorts of Shia LaBeouf’s and Megan Fox’s lead characters, Skids and Mudflap seem to be everywhere, bantering, fighting each other…sheesh. The only thing they don’t do is shoot craps and eat chicken with watermelon. At one moment, even, LaBeouf’s character asks the two if they can read a robotic script that will reveal crucial information. “Uh, we don’t do too much readin’,” one drawls. Nail. Coffin. I’m guessing somewhere at Industrial Light & Magic, the almost utterly white special effects firm for ROTF which typically does such mind-boggling work, there’s a gag reel of the gold-toothed Skids pulling a 40-ounce from his Chevrolet Beat cooler as Mudflap nervously fingers a switchblade. Like, to which part of the car, into which Skids transforms, does a gold tooth conform?


Of course, ILM is also the company that, a decade ago, gave the world Jar Jar Binks, in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. Ironically, however, in comparison, Skids and Mudflap make Jar Jar Binks look like Gandhi. Which means that we’re going backwards, not forwards, in the depiction of ethnicity in films.


hes-just-not-that-into-you-poster


But it bears ongoing repetition: ROTF’s sloppy boilerplate is not the key way race is conveyed in movies, anymore. The predominant way people in Hollywood both reinforce and refine white supremacy is by the manner least commented upon, but most obvious, once you notice it: Their relentless focus on white people, right, emphasizing them, accentuating them, centering them in everything that is meaningful and important, and mostly including Black people so they can serve as on-ramps for white people’s planetary self-absorption; their 20-20 navel-gazing. (Of course, this is supported by an entire infrastructure of white movie executives, financiers, critics, and others.)


By filling movies with white people, telling stories through white characters, making them diverse in mode, occupation, and outlook, especially when compared to non-white characters—by projecting them as dominant when they are, in fact, recessive; most humans are brown females—an understanding is rendered: White people are the smartest, most beautiful, most important beings of which we know. This understanding, in entertainment, serves an understanding of white people in all areas of activity by people: economics, education, labor, law, politics, religion, sex, and war, as that understanding, in those other areas, serves each other area.


Indeed, this aspect of race is so foundational that, like water to a fish, it typically doesn’t seem worth noting, because it’s omnipresent. Transformers: ROTF irritates, then, because, as well as maintaining film history’s pallid hue, and serving race that way, it goes an extra, unnecessary step to nastily reinforce what white media say, wordlessly, already all the time: White people are the smartest…. Or, as Salt from Salt ‘n’ Pepa once said to me of an increasingly trifling boyfriend, “‘You’re already being mean, but now you’re just being cruel.’”


"Southern Fried Rabbit," 1953


You know those really offensive Warner Bros. cartoons, like 1953’s Southern Fried Rabbit, right, with scenes so vile that, when they show them today on TV, they edit the repulsive parts out?


If there’s any justice in the world, and that’s doubtful, a future, more enlightened generation will one day digitally erase Skids and Mudflaps from every RAW file of footage, deeming them too retrograde for an ethnically sophisticated and interconnected world. The movie, of course, already a noisy jumble, wouldn’t miss a thing.


That imagery so out of date can be built into a piece of entertainment so technologically advanced should tell us that there is something about racism that has nothing to do with how educated white people are, or even sophisitcated they become. I don’t want to get all corny and say that, like Optimus Prime, humans need moral heart transplants, so to speak, but, actually, I think the leader of the Autobots might be on to something.


"We don't read."



Originally published on HarryAllen.info.


Comments

 

Water Ur Seeds said:

wooooooooow

i cant stand them movies anyway

sounds crazy about all the rasicst shit put in tho
June 25, 2009 6:04 AM
 

nwt said:

Great written article
What's messed up is that there's so much more which you could have included in this to show how things like movies only creates further racism and emphasizes Eurocentric views - constantly portraying Muslims as terrorists, for example

I've written several essays and related stuff on this very same subject, and even on levels people deal with every day like how the school system creates and re-enforces these very same things, good to see the topic being touched upon on AHH...


(No I'm not awake early I'm overseas right now haha)


June 25, 2009 6:18 AM
 

Sean Stylez said:

i never fucked with transformers anyway
June 25, 2009 6:22 AM
 

Lion_Heart said:

One of the voices for Skids and Mudflaps is the same guy who does the voice for Spongebob.
June 25, 2009 6:29 AM
 

whobetta said:

stop crying
June 25, 2009 7:00 AM
 

Epix said:

I respect your opinion, but again, when something is offensive to black people, it quickly becomes about race and as a result, a big deal. Stereotypes, whoever they are meant to be portraying, are always offensive, but ultimately stem from some truth.

How many movies produced, aimed at, written, starring, predominately black people, are filled to the brim with white stereotypes? (Insert - white, racist, sleazy, corrupt cop.) All of them? (ignorant comment)  Perhaps not, I understand this is big film, a lot of people will see this so i'll hold final judgement until i've seen it.

At the end of the day, i couldn't give a shit what a collection of small minded ignorant simpletons think, neither should you!
June 25, 2009 7:12 AM
 

Frizzodetroit said:

So the robots don't read, have gold teeth and drink 40's and the author of this article saw these as being "black" characteristics? That shows how racist the author is. Lighten up, it's just a movie. I don't know how many movies I wouldn't be able to enjoy if their innaccurate depictions of white people made me uncomfortable.
June 25, 2009 7:32 AM
 

Ironman32 said:

I like this article, it is well written. It has outlined some valid points with regards to the portrayal of black people in films and the industry.

I've always felt that black people are stereotyped in a negative light in films, and this article highlights this.
June 25, 2009 7:33 AM
 

tripcity86 said:

i have not seen da movie but how do you know there are black stereotypes? unless you urself already have those same stereotypes in ur head....so its okay for rappers to wear gold teeth and speak improper english and promote black stereotypes but when its a robot then its wrong.....GET A FUCKING LIFE DUDE, AND STOP CRYING WOLF, its funny how us black folks could make off da wall comments about other people but we are always da 1st once to cry foul when da slightest thing may or may not affend us...how many times have you watch a black stand up comedien make stereotipical comments about white folks but if its a white comidien then theres a huge conflict
June 25, 2009 7:40 AM
 

tripcity86 said:

  Frizzodetroit said:
So the robots don't read, have gold teeth and drink 40's and the author of this article saw these as being "black" characteristics? That shows how racist the author is.  
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I'm a back dude and i co-sign dat comment a 100%. LOL
June 25, 2009 7:48 AM
 

Mr-Justice said:

THE MAN WRITES ABOUT SOMETHING CONCIOUS AND EVERYONE HAS AN OPINIONATED OBJECTION. GOOD JOB HARRY ALLEN. WAY TO BRING "REAL ISSUES" (AND NO I DONT MEAN THE RICK ROSS VS. 50 ISSUE) TO THE FOREFRONT. I APPRECIATE IT AND WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPEAKING OUT WHEN INJUSTICE IS SEEN. SPREAD THE WORD.
I AGREE 100% THAT THESE CHARACTERS REPRESENT A DATED STEREOTYPE THAT IS NOT FITTING FOR CURRENT DAY AFRICAN AMERICANS. OBVIOUS THEY WERE REPRESENTATIVE OF BLACK PEOPLE HOWEVER, A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. MOSTLY JUST RAPPERS WHO REPRESENT A VERY VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF OUR CULTURE. IF YOUR GOING TO GIVE THOSE TWO CHARACTERS LIGHT, AT LEAST GIVE LIGHT TO THE OPPOSITE BY MAKING OPPOSING BLACK CHARACTERS SHOWING THE INTELLECTUAL SIDE OF OUR CULTURE.
AND YOU SHOULD ALWAYS CARE WHAT THOSE IN POWER THINK. WHY? THEY HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE MINDS OF THOSE AROUND YOU AND MAKE YOUR LIFE HARD. SLAVERY DIDNT END BECAUSE BLACKS DIDNT CARE. SLAVERY ENDED BECAUSE BLACK FOUGHT AND PROVED AND EARNED AND SHOWED ENOUGH INTELLENGENCE THAT THOSE IN POWER SEEN THE ERROR IN THIER WAYS OF THINKING AND REALIZED THAT THE BLACK MAN AND WOMAN ARE JUST AS SMART AND CAPABLE AS THIER WHITE COUNTERPARTS.

GO READ A BOOK, THEN COMMENT. IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. IGNORANCE IS IGNORANCE.
June 25, 2009 8:10 AM
 

Mr-Justice said:

THE MAN WRITES ABOUT SOMETHING CONCIOUS AND EVERYONE HAS AN OPINIONATED OBJECTION. GOOD JOB HARRY ALLEN. WAY TO BRING "REAL ISSUES" (AND NO I DONT MEAN THE RICK ROSS VS. 50 ISSUE) TO THE FOREFRONT. I APPRECIATE IT AND WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPEAKING OUT WHEN INJUSTICE IS SEEN. SPREAD THE WORD.
I AGREE 100% THAT THESE CHARACTERS REPRESENT A DATED STEREOTYPE THAT IS NOT FITTING FOR CURRENT DAY AFRICAN AMERICANS. OBVIOUS THEY WERE REPRESENTATIVE OF BLACK PEOPLE HOWEVER, A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. MOSTLY JUST RAPPERS WHO REPRESENT A VERY VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF OUR CULTURE. IF YOUR GOING TO GIVE THOSE TWO CHARACTERS LIGHT, AT LEAST GIVE LIGHT TO THE OPPOSITE BY MAKING OPPOSING BLACK CHARACTERS SHOWING THE INTELLECTUAL SIDE OF OUR CULTURE.
AND YOU SHOULD ALWAYS CARE WHAT THOSE IN POWER THINK. WHY? THEY HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE MINDS OF THOSE AROUND YOU AND MAKE YOUR LIFE HARD. SLAVERY DIDNT END BECAUSE BLACKS DIDNT CARE. SLAVERY ENDED BECAUSE BLACK FOUGHT AND PROVED AND EARNED AND SHOWED ENOUGH INTELLENGENCE THAT THOSE IN POWER SEEN THE ERROR IN THIER WAYS OF THINKING AND REALIZED THAT THE BLACK MAN AND WOMAN ARE JUST AS SMART AND CAPABLE AS THIER WHITE COUNTERPARTS.

GO READ A BOOK, THEN COMMENT. IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. IGNORANCE IS IGNORANCE.
June 25, 2009 8:10 AM
 

CRANSTONJ said:

why are you so surprised at this....go and listen to "burn hollywood burn" this has been going on for years...racism is alive and well...i hate the double standard though...for example when black comedians clown white people in the audience during standup and all throughout their act its funny....but when a white cat does it it's racist.....this site feeds into alot of stereotypes also..so start looking at the man in the mirror...and intstead of complaining act...one author in rumors said the first movie had similar overtones..so why then did he check for the second one?? did he think it would be any different?....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGU4DWajFGM
June 25, 2009 8:23 AM
 

tripcity86 said:

Mr-Justice said:
THE MAN WRITES ABOUT SOMETHING CONCIOUS AND EVERYONE HAS AN OPINIONATED OBJECTION. GOOD JOB HARRY ALLEN. WAY TO BRING "REAL ISSUES" (AND NO I DONT MEAN THE RICK ROSS VS. 50 ISSUE) TO THE FOREFRONT. I APPRECIATE IT AND WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPEAKING OUT WHEN INJUSTICE IS SEEN. SPREAD THE WORD.
I AGREE 100% THAT THESE CHARACTERS REPRESENT A DATED STEREOTYPE THAT IS NOT FITTING FOR CURRENT DAY AFRICAN AMERICANS. OBVIOUS THEY WERE REPRESENTATIVE OF BLACK PEOPLE HOWEVER, A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. MOSTLY JUST RAPPERS WHO REPRESENT A VERY VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF OUR CULTURE. IF YOUR GOING TO GIVE THOSE TWO CHARACTERS LIGHT, AT LEAST GIVE LIGHT TO THE OPPOSITE BY MAKING OPPOSING BLACK CHARACTERS SHOWING THE INTELLECTUAL SIDE OF OUR CULTURE.
AND YOU SHOULD ALWAYS CARE WHAT THOSE IN POWER THINK. WHY? THEY HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE MINDS OF THOSE AROUND YOU AND MAKE YOUR LIFE HARD. SLAVERY DIDNT END BECAUSE BLACKS DIDNT CARE. SLAVERY ENDED BECAUSE BLACK FOUGHT AND PROVED AND EARNED AND SHOWED ENOUGH INTELLENGENCE THAT THOSE IN POWER SEEN THE ERROR IN THIER WAYS OF THINKING AND REALIZED THAT THE BLACK MAN AND WOMAN ARE JUST AS SMART AND CAPABLE AS THIER WHITE COUNTERPARTS.

GO READ A BOOK, THEN COMMENT. IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. IGNORANCE IS IGNORANCE.
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I MIGHT BE IGNORANT BUT I THOUGHT THE CIVIL WAR WAS FOUGHT TO PRESERVED THE UNION NOT TO ABOLISH SLAVERY.....(STATE RIGHTS VS FEDERAL RIGHTS)....... AS FAR AS I'M CONCERN AFRICAN AMERICAN ARE STILL IN SLAVERY
June 25, 2009 8:40 AM
 

seanedge2003 said:

I don't even know where to begin with this film. It's not only a racially foolish and prejudice film but it’s also a prime example to the rest of the world about the uneducated aspects of the US. Let’s start on the two “ghetto” bots, what the F was that about? Like having Iron Hide as an ebonics spittin bot wasn’t bad enough or Jazz. I’ve gotta say though, to me is doesn’t display how they portray white people as better, only that Michael Bay has the brain span of a gnat. I mean, any one who knows any thing about the Middle East’s gonna point out that you can’t run from Cairo to Petra in Jordan, back to Cairo then to the Southern tip Jordan, mainly cos you’ve got Israel smack in the way. Then using an Indonesian midget from Willy Wonka to play an Arab security guard was so off point it’s unreal! The whole Team America aspect of it just made me laugh but almost every aspect of the film was about as wack as the word wack!
But wait, we’ve now got Disney’s G force coming out with its band of jive spitting, minority centric rodents followed by Cedric wise cracking “you just got beat by a hamster” or what ever. Psh.
Lets face it people, the American media system is run by white/jewish middle aged men who have no interest in representing reality.  
June 25, 2009 8:40 AM
 

Ron said:

well, i guess I'll give my two cents.  As black people, why are we even complaining, when we are steady cooning out here for them to see?  Are you telling me that they just conjured up these images of people with broken language, gold teeth and 40 ounces? Or did they see these people with gold teeth and 40 ounces on tv, at award shows and hear them talk on the radio?  maybe if WE stop cooning for them, THEY will stop clowning US.  Pick up some books, read, learn the english language, THEN when they put out stuff like this, we can complain, right now we can't complain.  Look at lil wayne's teeth and tatoos.  look at what Game did to his face.  Look at how Soulja Boi talks and raps.  look at how Tru Life is about to catch a murder 1 charge.  Look at Rick Ross fronting about all the coke he "supposedly sells".  Don't blame them for putting that crap on the screen, blame ourselves for making it available to be seen.
June 25, 2009 8:42 AM
 

Jumpstreet said:


Ron//

Havin tattoos as grown men is cooning?

nigga shut the fuck up u hoe ass nigga i hate mufuckas like u scared what every other race will think of you u hoe ass nigga

i can have 100 million tattoos if i want to white people be havin tattoos all over their body and shit do they say anything?


u a hoe scared of what others will think of you


tattoos does not make u a coon

smokin weed does not make u a coon


i hate fruit cake niggas like u and i would love to beat the fuck outta yo coon ass
June 25, 2009 8:54 AM
 

rshanks44 said:

Ok.  I understand the article but I have to ask, "this again???"  How many times have we sat in our homes or movie theaters and LOAO watching the Wayans bros portray white women? We thought it was hilarious that Chirs Tucker played the weed addicted Smokey in Friday.  More recent in the movie Hangover, did anyone else notice that 4 white guys were being pursued by gang affiliated minorities and Mike Tyson with his gun toating body guard in Vegas? Plus the fact that the only drug dealer in the film was Mike Epps?  Or were we too busy laughing?  Someone mentioned in a previous post that we applaud rappers for acting this way but get upset when the mirror is put to our face by a white director.  Next Day Air was full of stereotypes, but because it was funny we didnt fuss.  We need to stop setting the double standard and either be one or the other.  By the way, there are white people that have gold teeth and can't read as well.      
June 25, 2009 8:56 AM
 

stevenyayo said:

Epic Fail of the day = Harry Allen and everyone who thought it was racist
June 25, 2009 9:02 AM
 

D.P. of Dunamis Records said:

I cosign Ironman32 but to add if i may...

After realizing these facts then what?  Play the blame game or keep it moving?  It’s the way the world is but none of this takes away anything from me as a man first of all, secondly me as a black man.  If I’m moving forward displaying exemplary characteristics and traits for the advancement of my family and my culture then I'm killing the stereotypes one person at a time.  

Racism is still here but we can either let it make us bitter or better.
June 25, 2009 9:03 AM
 

seanedge2003 said:

Allright, I'll co sign to what Ron said.

But just cos we as a people allow ignorance to emanate doesn't mean "non-ignorant" people should allow that ignorance to pervade. Michael Bay put those two bots in cos he knows that the film is aimed at mainly teenage kids who find that kind of foolishness "cool". If we're gonna blame cats like Lil Wayne for that then we gotta ignore tracks on his albums that show that he's not as ignorant as he acts, even if we disagree with what he says.
They don't write about or depict any of the positive aspects of our symbols of modern black people; they don't mention Jay when he's making money but when he shouts out we got a black president fuck Bush they spurt off like a hydrant. When Pac was doing speeches for the black community they didn't say shit but when he released toss it up they all paid attention.
Now when it comes to those old WB cartoons we gotta take a second, if we get rid of all that, like the black made in Tom and Jerry then we loose a part of our history, not because any of these aspects were true but because if loose then we forget. We have to remember the bad in order to make the good.
June 25, 2009 9:04 AM
 

stevenyayo said:

Why lower your standards? Why not think maybe all the robots are black? You got some smart ones and you got some dumb ones. I mean they are technically doing the robot. Some dance they can fight you never know lol. Im just trying to make a point that its a movie you take it how u portray it and if you only portray those to be black then you might be a little racist yourself.
June 25, 2009 9:08 AM
 

stevenyayo said:

Maybe it is a jab at black people who knows. Maybe he heard about Yung Berg having a Transformers Chain and Trick Trick and everyone in hip-hop community beating up Yung Berg for no reason and stealing his chain and posting pics and blogging about it all stupid and child like. Im sure thats what he wants his movie affiliated with...
June 25, 2009 9:11 AM
 

Ron said:

Jumpstreet ...Having tatoos doesn't make you a coon.  Acting like you, does.  Internet thugery as usual.  How old are you, 12?  Listen to how angry you got.  You aren't a man, you act like a little kid.  You are the exact example of what they depicted in the movie.  Thank you very much for proving my point.
June 25, 2009 9:13 AM
 

D.P. of Dunamis Records said:

Oh yea, and the movie was alright.  Not as bad as the critics say.  Prime kicked tail...he's a G wit his and bumble bee stepped is scrap game way up.  

Too much dialogue though, to much outta the way humor,  a lot of the scenes meant to be funny could have been scrapped from the film; looked like they tried to hard.  

Plot was alright though and the fight sequences were spaced to far apart; could have used more slow mo to actually see what was happening.  The robots are hard to follow for me; even with the first one I had to watch it like 2 or 3 times to see what all happened

Overall though movie was alright....Been on transformers hard since the 80's though so consider me a "head".
June 25, 2009 9:17 AM
 

D.P. of Dunamis Records said:

ROFL @ Ron and Jumpstreet ......      lol
There dey go!(Mystikal voice)
June 25, 2009 9:18 AM
 

Ron said:

seanedge2003....I like your comments, not just because you co-signed part of what i said, but just because it's the truth.  

stevenyayo....You make a good point, also.  Unfortunately, I really don't think of it as 'maybe they were all black", but I do understand what you are trying to say.

June 25, 2009 9:18 AM
 

D.P. of Dunamis Records said:

@stevenyayo

Thats good!!!!!  YOU ON POINT.  

(standing ovation)
When life gives you lemons make lemonade type of view point.
"Classic" brother.  You just gained 10
June 25, 2009 9:24 AM
 

Sincere7X said:

(Sigh) I co-sign Ron on this.  I find it rather humorous (though not really funny...lol) that we still feel the need to comment on stereotypes etc. that is heavily apart of this society's dominant psyche and culture.    

Though I like Transformers and other forms of entertainment, I'm not blinded by that like.  A major truth has been present among us for over 70 years and unfortunately many if not most of us have either not understood the depth of it or simply turned a blind eye to it, which leaves other things to have to come to past to drive the point home to us all.  I know I'm being vague here...however, it is what it is.  (smile)  
June 25, 2009 9:30 AM
 

gods_son_510 said:

Are we going cry wolf everytime hollywood put a movie out that has racist conotation or characters? how come no one complains when a black director make movies with stereotypical characters i.e tyler perry movies? is that our way of saying its ok for us to put stereotypes of our people and community out there?. . .how about this, how come noone complains when our black men plays the lead role and they always have part of making them look/act gay? . . . .lets be real honest, we cannot do anything with what hollywood puts out. The reason is we are the biggest consumer community of them all, and most of all, the ZIONIST JEWS who control hollywood can do whatever they want. . . .Personally, it is better for us to look at this in a positive note.If the stereotypes are we wear gold teeth, uneducated and doesnt read. therefore, we should read, educate ourselves, and conduct ourselves with dignity and respect. we created this negative culture, it is our job counter it. the problem is majority of us mold ourselves as the stereotypes.
June 25, 2009 9:43 AM
 

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June 25, 2009 9:56 AM
 

Zeke615 said:

It hilarious that most people missed the point of the article and how some have even began disputes with one another. The gentleman was trying to inform the masses of what he saw as an injustice. This is microcosm of what happens when one tries to warn the masses of anything. It seems as though he was warning people of the Sambo type characters in the film. This character is taught in most Black History and Black Literature classes. It is taught so that you may be able to readily identify the Sambo when it is present. Sambo is just one of the many literary stereotypes. Don't kill the messenger the author is trying to show people that it is present. Sure it there are other stereotypes sure Black people feed into other racial stereotypes. Entertainment has been built upon these attitudes. Bare in mind, entertainment and the media are often used as a way to spread propaganda and promote oppression.

The man makes several good points.
June 25, 2009 9:56 AM
 

EDOGZ818 said:

Fuk it , Based on this review, I'm not going to see movie!
June 25, 2009 10:01 AM
 

Supreemwun said:

Saw the movie yesterday and when me and my family left the first thing we discussed were the Twins buffoonery. I was offended by the twin characters. To me it was obvious...the problem is the stereotypes that are being re-inforced. The Twins not only look dumb by physical appearance with the lazy eye and buck teeth (one gold) but they are speaking in a manner which is has been perpetuated in Hollywood since its beginnings. So for some readers to now insist that we are reading too much into this or are being too sensitive well shall I say is a common response from those who do not or rather can not feel what we feel. The new spin now a days is if you bring up something about race well there must be something wrong with you. "Lighten up, it's just a movie" does not fly. Now that Obama has been elected we are no longer allowed to bring up racism.

Do we self perpetuate stereotypes? Yes. Is that encouraged by record execs/ CEO's and Hollywood absolutely. Like one poster above said listen to Public Enemy's "Burn Hollywood Burn" Featuring Ice Cube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6MlwT1lBk0

Harry Allen broke it down very well and for those that disagree I would ask do you know the history of Hollywood and how Hollywood has continuously portrayed Black people? Before you re-post do some research on the topic. Its no different then the propaganda that is used in war times to belittle your enemy i.e. WWI and WWII. This is why the late 80's era in Hip Hop was so important with groups like Public Enemy.

I wonder what Professor Griff thinks about this topic?

June 25, 2009 10:16 AM
 

milliondollarbaby said:

fire this man please..i think i read somethng the other he wrote..dont remember the name of the auther..but changed this man as a writer to some other shit..you sound like you pic alll the negative shit out of smoething..like there is a hidden racial message in EVERYTHING shut the fuck up man...and let these ppl watch there movies. i didnt even read the whole thing so i might be wrong..but damnm man shut the fuck up with all this....hold up let me go see the words you used=----
That it endorses crude racism, however, serving up, not one, but two near-buckdancing, shiftless Black stereotypes

wtf is that !!! lol come on man..
June 25, 2009 10:17 AM
 

milliondollarbaby said:

yall should be use to it by now..we have a black president??? so why should we give two fucks about movies or songs or tv shows.. its been going on for ever...just be happy we are alive..fuck a movie..if you watched it already..and left feelign someway...to fucking bad..they got your money already..try gong back to get a refunc cuz you felt insulted.....come on ppl our president is black..when you watch a movie with a racist comment or wahtever ..just think to your self about that white man that wrote that  ( ha ha your president is black )
June 25, 2009 10:21 AM
 

milliondollarbaby said:

come on is the whole fucking movie racist? or just those two parts?? get over it man your pres is black
June 25, 2009 10:28 AM
 

Airjunior23 said:

Whoever this guy is is a LIAR. I saw this movie last night. This shit is a classic. My theater was going nuts. The movies was off the hook and people clapped as we left, even though I hate people clapping at movie screens, I condoned it for such a vicious flick.
As for the Coon-show. Get over it. If those robots would've sounded like hicks,  the joke wouldnt have lasted past the first fuckin scene.

I AM NOT saying that anyone should have racial connotations dipicted wrongfully at their race, but these cats were funny, and the jokes weren't tasteless at all. Now I knwo what you're thinking. Let's make them "white people cars" and see how people overlook those underlying tones of physical racism. I'm not buying it. Part one had absolutely no references to race relations or derogatory content so just leave it alone. Everybody knew Jazz from part one was "black" and everyone said how cool he was. May he rest in pieces lol.

I'm a black dude, a very highly educated one at that. from the hood. East Oakland. I know what a coon show look like dammit. Yall get that shit wrong. every time somebody show a black figure in a movie, it's a menstrual show. Stop that shit. Was Michael Bay supposed to bring in  his "Black" consultants and see what "Black" behavior is really all about. Hell nall. that's worse than going in blindly.

Bottom line. White people somehow rule the hemisphere, although they are the minority in the world and US. So I understand how people feel sometimes. It's an ugly world but stop the dumb shit. Everyone's not picking on us man. And fuck em if they are. It's no longer "The White Man" thats holding us down. It's been us for like at least 35 years now. With all of our rights and access to educational tools and access to this whole big ass planet, we still fuck eachother up.

"Enough of this shit, I'm going to Canada!!!" MLK form Boondocks
June 25, 2009 10:34 AM
 

battle4cash said:

That is honestly disappointing to hear. Maybe nobody was making noise in the theatre because it was a mostly white audience? (kidding)
June 25, 2009 10:39 AM
 

Black Nicholson said:

aint no one crying wolf, it is what it is, the robots displayed stereotypical behavior that whether you admit it or not reflected racial stereotypes. dont try to justify it by it saying oh well when blacks to do it to white people like white chicks or when blacks do it to themselves, NO THOSE ARENT THE SAME. and if u cant see the difference, that people inside a group get a pass to critique the group, because of social norms but outsiders dont, for example, the use of the word "nigga," and the fact that a minority talkin about the majority is totally on a different level than the majority talkn about the minority,  then there aint no point even talking about it. hollywood is racist and has always been so its no surprise.
June 25, 2009 10:43 AM
 

Airjunior23 said:

Just look at this shit. I don't know bout yall. But even with the gold one. I see a white, back alley hick, red neck salami smelling ass, too much whiskey drinkin, insest luving ass white dude from arkansas. The voice is whatever. It does sound bad. But these two twins dont resemble a black person.
June 25, 2009 10:48 AM
 

Airjunior23 said:

I feel you God's Son
June 25, 2009 10:51 AM
 

cbo29 said:

do stereotypes in movies go both ways...sure they do. but the point the man is trying to make in this article is, you see all sides of white people.....successful, family oriented, white trash, etc. Unfortunately for black people, you just see one side (for the most part). Now are black people to blame for this as well, i.e. BET, black radio, etc. of course they do. But the point is, we need to see all aspects of our community bc unfortunatley there are people around the country that have never seen black people in person before or rarely come around us, so their perception of us come from these outlets. As far fetched as this may seem to certain people....that could potentially mean, cops, judges, your congressman, your potential boss, etc......who think we're all uneducated, thugs, gun toters, et.
June 25, 2009 11:00 AM
 

Chris Note said:

Well, most of the stereotypes are done in jest...So for the most part i enjoyed the robots....but people need to understand that some stereotypes arn't good to potray to a audience....The gold teeth and "jive talking" wasn't anything to get worked up over....but when the potrayed black robots say they can't read does bring up some concern...normally i shouldn't be a issue...but I still remember what happened with Jazz...

Also...Not sure if anyone else caught this. In the beginning of the movie, When Shai's Parents are helping him pack for college, his Father slaps his mother on the ass...after Shai saw that he said to his father..."This isn't a rap video".....Now keep in mind....i'm a black dude, dressed as if i may listen to hip hop (baggy jeans,headphones,Fitted,Armbands) in a theater in Great Neck which is nothing but rich white people. How do you think that made me feel...or how do you think people perceived rap videos at that moment? Like i said, i don't have a problem with the basics...but when your stereotype insinuates that people to look down on something negatively then there is a problem.
June 25, 2009 11:05 AM
 

bklynaziaticson said:

Only thing worse then the disguising depiction of us africans in america in this film is how much whitewashed, uncle tom, house n*gers this site has my lord. 1 of these morons actually wrote if we didn't do what these robots did in the film then hollywood wouldn't still have it in their movies ...... wow wake the fuck up this has always been a white supremist racist driven country instead of placing the blame on our fellw brothas about you look further into it and see why things the way there are, who's responsible, how far back in history this started in, and just because there isn't such thing as physical slavery doesn't mean MENTAL slavery doesn't still exist, the day most of these condescending, aryan, neo nazi, redneck, hillbilly, recessive genes, whites are robbed for damn near everything in their country, put into slaveships, forcably put into a new country where their strip of their languages, culture, NAMES, religion, etc. then put to pick cotton, wash other people sh*t on top of being lynched, bombed, scalped, etc. struggle just t get their freedom yet put into ghettos where most the guns & liquor stores are at is the day WE'LL STOP COMPLAININ til that day shut the fuck up cause our struggles are completely different what double standard? the most black comedians will go as far as to saying is cracker..... compared to n*gger.... ISN'T SH*T also just cause Obama is president doesn't just erase all the injustices done to our people & other non white races in this country.
June 25, 2009 11:11 AM
 

bklynaziaticson said:

Only thing worse then the disguising depiction of us africans in america in this film is how much whitewashed, uncle tom, house n*gers this site has my lord. 1 of these morons actually wrote if we didn't do what these robots did in the film then hollywood wouldn't still have it in their movies ...... wow wake the fuck up this has always been a white supremist racist driven country instead of placing the blame on our fellw brothas about you look further into it and see why things the way there are, who's responsible, how far back in history this started in, and just because there isn't such thing as physical slavery doesn't mean MENTAL slavery doesn't still exist, the day most of these condescending, aryan, neo nazi, redneck, hillbilly, recessive genes, whites are robbed for damn near everything in their country, put into slaveships, forcably put into a new country where their strip of their languages, culture, NAMES, religion, etc. then put to pick cotton, wash other people sh*t on top of being lynched, bombed, scalped, etc. struggle just t get their freedom yet put into ghettos where most the guns & liquor stores are at is the day WE'LL STOP COMPLAININ til that day shut the fuck up cause our struggles are completely different what double standard? the most black comedians will go as far as to saying is cracker..... compared to n*gger.... ISN'T SH*T also just cause Obama is president doesn't just erase all the injustices done to our people & other non white races in this country.
June 25, 2009 11:11 AM
 

bklynaziaticson said:

Only thing worse then the disguising depiction of us africans in america in this film is how much whitewashed, uncle tom, house n*gers this site has my lord. 1 of these morons actually wrote if we didn't do what these robots did in the film then hollywood wouldn't still have it in their movies ...... wow wake the fuck up this has always been a white supremist racist driven country instead of placing the blame on our fellw brothas about you look further into it and see why things the way there are, who's responsible, how far back in history this started in, and just because there isn't such thing as physical slavery doesn't mean MENTAL slavery doesn't still exist, the day most of these condescending, aryan, neo nazi, redneck, hillbilly, recessive genes, whites are robbed for damn near everything in their country, put into slaveships, forcably put into a new country where their strip of their languages, culture, NAMES, religion, etc. then put to pick cotton, wash other people sh*t on top of being lynched, bombed, scalped, etc. struggle just t get their freedom yet put into ghettos where most the guns & liquor stores are at is the day WE'LL STOP COMPLAININ til that day shut the fuck up cause our struggles are completely different what double standard? the most black comedians will go as far as to saying is cracker..... compared to n*gger.... ISN'T SH*T also just cause Obama is president doesn't just erase all the injustices done to our people & other non white races in this country.
June 25, 2009 11:11 AM
 

DontDieDontKillAnyone said:

Oh noes, Hollywood is racist!... Sorry but it's pretty much obvious how racist the film industry is. Hollywood always has and always will be racist. Did it really have to take Michael Bay and Transformers 2 for people to realise that? He's been pushing racial and social stereotypes in his films for years now yet people still enjoy them. The studios don't care because people, black and white are still stupid enough to carry on paying to watch bullshit like Transformers and continue to let studios get away with it

Already voiced my opinion on Michael Bay in the rumours bit so I can't be bothered to repeat it again. In his case I just think he's resorts to stereotypes because he just can't direct, he's just a really bad director. He can't create characters or films with any substance so characters come off as one dimensional, obnoxious and stereotypical because it's easier for him to do so hence the calls of racism. End of the day if you don't like it then stop paying to watch his shitty films, same goes for other film studios and film makers known for white washing their films or putting black people in a bad light
June 25, 2009 11:15 AM
 

Hoeyuno said:

I was watching a old bugs bunny show with my daughter the other day and saw how they made a Native American man as dumb as they possibly could.. Then the next seen they had a little black kid with huge white lips and a bone in his hair....I can't believe people got away with that back then. And as far as this goes im sure they did not intend to be racist, but instead there just ignorant to what would offend people..... Or who knows maybe they all have sheets in there closet, we will never hear the truth anyway...oNe
June 25, 2009 11:34 AM
 

zlander said:

Harry Allen your ignorant. Just one of those people jumping at every chance they get to play the race card. Like stated hundreds of times before, when the Wayans brothers make a movie, stereotyping other races, you see nothing wrong with it. The stereotypes were placed in the movie as comedic relief, mike epps in the hangover played a stupid black drug dealer, who didnt even know the medical names of the drugs he was selling, I didnt see you cry about that. In ROTF, a little decepticon is stereotyped as an italian mafia rat. saying things like "I'ma get whacked if I go back to the boss without anything"..wheres your gripe there? You posted a pic from He's Just Not That Into You, but what about movies like all the madea films, soul food, drumline, and all those movies with Sanaa Lathan (love and basketball, the wood, brown sugar), which are labeled as 'black movies" and barely have any white cast. You need to chill with playing the victim role, Obama is president, if the nation was soo racist as you put it, that wouldnt have happened.

and secondly, I saw Transformers yesterday, basically the same crowd you described, in IMAX, and people gave it a standing ovation, They clapped when they first saw optimus prime, first saw bumblebee, during both big optimus prime fights, when the "black" autobots fought the in the desert, I think your prediction of its box office success is nothing more than hate. I guarantee it's going to be the highest grossing movie of the summer
June 25, 2009 11:35 AM
 

thebarber said:

nobody should be offended about this  is a movie they are robots did anybody stop and think how does a white boy act when he trying to be black he exaggerates the whole thing the walk you know what i mean  who is to say these are WHITE robots trying to be black is just how you look at things unless you like drinking 40's got a gold tooth and can't read i cant possibly imagine why this would bother you
June 25, 2009 11:52 AM
 

BeatsByNonsense said:

Too much Plies/Lil Wayne on tv and not enough of the other side of hip hop music probably led to this.  Tv and the media have been working hard for years to bring the most mind numbing stereotypical images for white people to stay scared of.

www.reverbnation.com/megatrifenonsense
June 25, 2009 11:55 AM
 

CRANSTONJ said:

racism is a problem for the past present and future...as long as we look different there will be racism...i think that you can find something racist in everything so why the uproar over this movie?...from music, movies, sports, schools, gov't, etc...everything and everyone has some racism in them...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGU4DWajFGM
June 25, 2009 12:13 PM
 

andreharvey said:

is u fuckin crazy son how u gonna call bay racist he done worked wiv will smith, martin lawrence, gabrille union (bd boys 1 & 2) tony todd (the rock) michael clark duncan (armageddon) & cuba goodin jr (pearl harbor) dont b suck a fuckin fool... wen i seen formers 1st thing i fort bout mudflap & skids bickerin an shit was bd boys gd comedy u need 2 check urself everybody always tryna look for a reason 2 put an epic down!
June 25, 2009 12:13 PM
 

CrazyOlie said:

If the makers of this film is not trying to make a stereotype, just say they represent a culture other than the obvious.  Then it will go away.  I also see a lot of people are upset because this represents them.  The culture needs to be responsible for themselves, when people buy the music that this represents, how can anyone be mad when it is portrayed in a movie.  If people buy other albums besides coonery, then we will have that representation.  When you have options, people will exploit the worse of the genre.  We could have Jay-Z influenced characters, but we ended up with the Gucci Mane.
June 25, 2009 12:23 PM
 

CRANSTONJ said:

@andreharvey im not saying the director is racist or not but just because he worked with black actors doesnt qualify him as not being a racist....the bottom line is directing movies is his job not his lifestyle....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGU4DWajFGM
June 25, 2009 12:24 PM
 

Premium said:

its 2009 and people are still this fucking sensitive? its a fucking movie....i bet you watch saw and cant walk home alone at night....
June 25, 2009 12:40 PM
 

CrazyOlie said:

Plus, he is the director, he is not the animator.  Nor the executive producer.  The company that created this is mostly at fault.  This is the image that they collaborated and submitted.  They also created Jar Jar Binks.  They had a scene where Jar Jar kicks what looks like a piece of poo.  I know of a term called a shitkicker and it is not a good one.  So the track record is not good for them.  Watch the big battle scene in Star Wars Episode 1.  Second you have to look at the producers.  Spielberg is upset at a president hurting his money right now.  There was a lot of political satire in this film and it was unnecessary.
June 25, 2009 12:42 PM
 

RMONEY said:

what a fucking joke...old Harry says how this is racist, then calls the people that laughed at some of the 'racist' stuff 'hillbillies' hmm...isnt that stereotyping...ur whole argument was voided...YOU are racist...im sure if they didnt have characters that 'act black' in this movie you would be the first one to be like, "why arent there any black robots in this movie? RACIST!!!"


HARRY ALLEN SHUT THE FUCK UP
June 25, 2009 12:48 PM
 

glovestate05 said:

ok i usually choose not to comment  on issues however  i  visit the sit everyday but i had  to sya something on this issue im a  24 year old black male , and i went to see the movie last night and not once was i offended by the twins they made the movie funny and interesting why are  my own people so sensitive and always think everything is to down grade  black people  when we have an black president ..news flash the  black community on makes up 32% of the u.s.a. so that means the other 70% who   is not black help  get obama in office..now back to the movie you failed to mention that bumble bee sam's car was there too and also  couldn't read the symbols the only one's who could read it where the  older transformers that's why  they couldn't read it get your facts right dude and on part one the transformer you mention was played by the same guy who plays eddie on  family matter (he is black )so you want him to act white??? come..and the guy  who does the voices for the twins is the guy from sponge bob and he also does Patrick voices who also  can't read is very  stupid but no one compares him to anything maybe because he has a white voice then but with teh same characteristics you are describing  the twins come on now poeple
June 25, 2009 12:51 PM
 

glovestate05 said:

ok i usually choose not to comment  on issues however  i  visit the sit everyday but i had  to sya something on this issue im a  24 year old black male , and i went to see the movie last night and not once was i offended by the twins they made the movie funny and interesting why are  my own people so sensitive and always think everything is to down grade  black people  when we have an black president ..news flash the  black community on makes up 32% of the u.s.a. so that means the other 70% who   is not black help  get obama in office..now back to the movie you failed to mention that bumble bee sam's car was there too and also  couldn't read the symbols the only one's who could read it where the  older transformers that's why  they couldn't read it get your facts right dude and on part one the transformer you mention was played by the same guy who plays eddie on  family matter (he is black )so you want him to act white??? come..and the guy  who does the voices for the twins is the guy from sponge bob and he also does Patrick voices who also  can't read is very  stupid but no one compares him to anything maybe because he has a white voice then but with teh same characteristics you are describing  the twins come on now poeple
June 25, 2009 12:51 PM
 

Premium said:

"Skids and Mudflap seem to be everywhere, bantering, fighting each other…sheesh."   Really thats a racist portrayal?
June 25, 2009 1:04 PM
 

jpeso said:

the movie sucked and that shucking and jiving disgusted me!! i was the only person who noticed the bullshit it seems but im glad im not the only person who's not drinking the kool aid. also the the army message in this movie is not lost on me also, sign up 4 the army we can do anything bullshit! brothers and sisters wake up 4 real and stop saying just cause theres smoke theres no fire.
June 25, 2009 1:10 PM
 

Curry Media said:

I'm Sorry Harry Allen.  I want to apologize for this "new generation".  If our forefathers were here today and could hear the ignorant comments made....OH MY GOD!!!  WAKE UP!!!  But you know what...It's not their fault.  No one said you have to be millitant...just recognize it when they call a you a coon.
June 25, 2009 1:29 PM
 

that N____R Jhamal said:

There's a old saying "it's not what you are called but what you answer to". Lately we as black folk have gotten overly upset over things that are really of unimportance in the stream of things. look at this an article about a movie with alleged racial undertones on a site that has more daily coonery on it supporting a lot of these hip hop acts. We need to stop looking for little excuses to be mad when black men are still the major targets of police. What's happened to our people we have survived slavery, ridicule, a fall from greatness, and wars. We are a proud race of thick skinned people now a alleged character representation is our downfall? when you see that and equate it to a black person is it because that's a realistic portrayal of a black man? or a realistic portrayal of a part of black coulture?
June 25, 2009 1:29 PM
 

nockamechie said:

fuck you and transformers...............im waiting for that THUNDER CATS movie!!!!!!!!!oooohh
June 25, 2009 1:34 PM
 

RMONEY said:

u guys preach against racism...then call eachother niggers and use words like 'coonery'...i have never heard that term before, you are CREATING more racist terms...can you say bringing this upon yourself?
June 25, 2009 1:41 PM
 

BrandonTex said:

Im from Toronto, where there is a large carribean and aftrican population, everyone who saw this movie with me loved it whether black or white. This is rediculous first off, i think too many people pay attention to the small problems that we have to deal with today instead of focusing on the larger issues. Race is something government and big business keep us busy with so that they can destroy thousands of lives across the world,  besides we seem to think that cuz we are black that we have it the worst and all that shit, every person should go and study fuckin history, native americans have it the worst. so stop bitchin about a fuckin movie whom ppl obviously have to much time to analyze  and not enough things to do.
June 25, 2009 1:42 PM
 

B*braze said:

lmao @ all the white people logging on and trying to defend the "sam-bots".


fuck y'all. you know that shit was racist.

the fucked up thing is if they were "bill and ted-bots" they wouldnt trip because white people dont have a history as being depicted negatively all the time in the american media like.
June 25, 2009 2:06 PM
 

B*braze said:

i bet if it was a pair of "nazi jew killer-bots" this movie wouldnt have seen the light of day.
June 25, 2009 2:07 PM
 

CRANSTONJ said:

@brandontex...native americans have it the worst????..if im wrong please correct me but i thought that all native americans go to school for free, don't pay taxes and get a monthly check from the gov't.....those repirations are great compared to blacks....www.myspace.com/keioshi2k20
June 25, 2009 2:11 PM
 

CRANSTONJ said:

(lol) i posted the wrong link...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGU4DWajFGM
June 25, 2009 2:14 PM
 

BrandonTex said:

@cranstonj, the only thing i need to say is take a look around you, do u have any natives walking down the street, cuz i know i dont, they are a rarity..and then when u actually see the "reserves" your and my governments given them, ull understand. im not knockin you at all, but if you really want to see why i believe this you will watch on google video:

Unrepentant: Kevin Annett and the Canadian genocide.

Its no different in the U.S.

As KRS-ONE said (and he is in support of alex jones, www.prisonplanet.com) "There can never truly be justice on stolen land"
June 25, 2009 2:21 PM
 

bluvelvet said:

Here we go again. I am sick beyond belief with the race card being pulled up at the slightest little thing. It is a movie, let it be!!! Put your race cards down and try to enjoy some entertainment. Stop this race card thing and just enjoy!!! Plus if they were able too read the symbols there would of been no more storyline the symbols were ancient.Just stop it
June 25, 2009 2:31 PM
 

bluvelvet said:

Big $%^&ING deal. Stereotypes of all races are used in entertainment. Just watch Chappelle's Show. He pokes fun at everyone and it's hilarious. This has too stop and i'm black and indian and asian all mixed let it go

June 25, 2009 2:35 PM
 

bluvelvet said:

Man i'm so sick of it u pussy black folks stop making us look so weak all the time trying 2 grab headlines stereotypes are fuking true get over it.It's always how we look inthe media stand tall and be like fuck it fuck how they think fuck how they perceive us because white's hispanic's asian's sure don't
June 25, 2009 2:45 PM
 

anzee11 said:

You too much thought into shit. Stop with with the overanalyzing and this black white shit.
June 25, 2009 2:47 PM
 

EddyCaPPacHinO said:

This is the most bullshit I have read on this website ever. First of all, after googling this I realize you are one of many on the internet that has written an article about this so it's not even an original thought on your part. Secondly, you want to demonize racism but you make your own remarks about "the white people who work at Paramount" and the "hillbillies" in the theater (which seeing as how you said you saw the movie in New York, I doubt they were actually hillbillies but you still chose to label them as such). Speaking of which, if those two charcters had been based on white hillbilly types instead of blacks as it seems to be, would you be offended then? Would there be an outcry? I doubt it. In fact, I bet you would have laughed your ass off and probably have given the movie a much better review. So don't try to act like you are standing up against racism itself. On top of all that, what about the hundreds of rappers who choose to perpetuate the stereotype of the uneducated, gold tooth having, 40-ounce guzzling thug? Where is the condemnation of that? Is the character of Lil Jon not a more severe stereotype than some computer generated robots that speak in "jive-talk"? And those are the people we are putting out in the forefront of our culture for the world to judge us by. Unfortunately, Harry Allen, I hate to break it to you but there are black people that act like that out there. So if anything, that's who the movie is poking fun at, not black people as a whole. And you should be just as upset at those people for making your race look bad as you are at the media for making fun of it. But you wouldn't do that because you feel this need to stick up for your race no matter what and you have taken it too far. People like you see racism where they want to see it. Jar Jar Binks??? Really?? And yes, it's obvious that the overwhelming majority of movies star white people. You know why? Because they are made by white people. What about the movies made by black people? Do you hear any white people complaining that there aren't enough white people in Tyler Perry's films or the ones that are there are often made to look stupid? What about black stand-up comedians most of whom devote at least 50% of their act to pointing out how un-cool, weak, and pathetic white people are. What about the movie "White Chicks" by the Wayans brothers? Not only did they potray an exteremly stereotypical image of upper-class white women, but they actually painted theirself white for the film! My point is that just as we hate it when rap music is criticized for it's content and we are so quick to defend it as just entertainment based on real life scenarios, we need to understand the same goes for other forms of entertainment whether it's made by us or not.
June 25, 2009 2:55 PM
 

SEVERE SWAGGA said:

2 much racist shit for me everybody thinks they better then 1 another ..whites,blcks ,brown,yellow...who cares its bout green in da mean tyme try 2 get along if u racist u a weak minded mutherfucker ..in n.y. we aint on it like dat.......we all mixed up 2gther where im @ in b.k. spanish blacks and sum whites..
June 25, 2009 3:01 PM
 

stevenyayo said:

@    B*braze

They make movies about Nazis and jews all the time, its a movie entertainment! If it offends you then dont see the movie they dont need you it already made over $60 mil in the first 2 days being out I think.

Rick Ross calls 50 Cent a "Munkey" (people dont even spell it right) but yet a robot with a gold tooth  and cant read is too racist? Ive seen white and latino and asians who cant read or have grillz and shit.

In the last 20 years how many black people have been Lynched? How many White people have raped black woman? Can Black people not legally go wherever they want? Can Black people not go to school? How many Black millionaires do we have in the past 20 years? How many of the most popular Celebrities are black in the past 20 years? Now answer me how many Black people have killed Black people, how many black people have raped black people in the last 20 years? Of course racism will prob never go away but some people act like its still 30+ years ago. Dave Chapelle makes fun of all races, I can name pretty much every black comedian or minority that makes fun of white people. Look how white people are portrayed in black movies. Do we say its racist no we think its funny, well I do and I watch the movie. Im half white half mexican. Im just bored at work so I need something to do lol. I see how AHH threw a column about racism to get so traffic on today lol.

@  D.P. of Dunamis Records

Appreciate it. I get tired of the race card I mean I understand when something is blatanly racist its wrong and people should stand up for them selves. Im mixed and I get hit with racist stuff too. But I just keep it moving cuz usually if someone is racist they are just ignorant.
June 25, 2009 3:31 PM
 

four said:

it was funny to me... i grew up in the south (infact im still here..)

the movie was dope and megan fox is sexy as hell. end of story.
June 25, 2009 3:34 PM
 

four said:

oh and i co-sign;  no double standards - if you make fun of them they'll make fun of you; don't cry about it

enjoy movies for what their worth

June 25, 2009 3:37 PM
 

renzoantwan said:

All i can say is damn. Many people don't even realize when other are spitting in their face. This changed my mind to see this movie and opened my eyes. Thanks, this should be front page, for real!
June 25, 2009 3:41 PM
 

zlander said:

and you gave it 4stars...you sir are an ASSHOLE
June 25, 2009 3:42 PM
 

sephenrings said:

the transformers movie wasn't all that great. The effects were hot but the rest of the movie sucked. I'm sorry that's it. I'm not going to talk about how there was only one prominent black person in the whole movie. Or how the raciest comments about  Muslims slipped through the cracks, or how the two robots in question(which seemed like a bad representation of stereotypical white Americans from the south to me) were acting one way or the other.

There is serious discrimination going on as we speak that spans race, religion, economic status, and a hundreds of other differences people think they have. This article was well written, and it did produce a large amount of feedback from the people that use this site, but I think it failed to make everyone realize the one important point: It doesn't matter.

All the isims of the world will continue as long as people belly ache about them instead of neutralizing them. I will begin the trend by saying the movie was ok at best, and a waste of time at worst. Thats it. If I felt strongly about the racial issues in the movie than I would begin a group that will boycott all its products(good and bad) and bring as much media, and community attention to the problem as possible to destroy the racist bigots, but seeing as I dont I will just not rent the video.
June 25, 2009 3:48 PM
 

B*braze said:

stevenyayo said:
@    B*braze

They make movies about Nazis and jews all the time, its a movie entertainment! If it offends you then dont see the movie they dont need you it already made over $60 mil in the first 2 days being out I think.

Rick Ross calls 50 Cent a "Munkey" (people dont even spell it right) but yet a robot with a gold tooth  and cant read is too racist? Ive seen white and latino and asians who cant read or have grillz and shit.

In the last 20 years how many black people have been Lynched? How many White people have raped black woman? Can Black people not legally go wherever they want? Can Black people not go to school? How many Black millionaires do we have in the past 20 years? How many of the most popular Celebrities are black in the past 20 years? Now answer me how many Black people have killed Black people, how many black people have raped black people in the last 20 years? ***********************************************


for the record i have not and will not watch this filthy movie

and yes they make many nazi/jew WW2 movies but none of them are jokes or made fun of.

i do NOT support the music of rick ross' nor most of these mainstream rappers nowadays.

and no... black people arent being hung from trees but they are still lynched by police and media


so when white people have lived through generations of slavery, discrimination, dehumanization, stripped of their identity and culture, and been called only "3/5ths a human being" by the constitution of the so-called greatest nation on the earth which was built on your back...

we'll call it even and never mention racism again.


lol.

June 25, 2009 4:14 PM
 

B*braze said:

and please dont speak on black on black crime/murder.

lets compare numbers thru history...


who has been behind more slaughter of people throughout the history of the world?


June 25, 2009 4:16 PM
 

B*braze said:

lol

we s'posed to forget the thousands of years of wrongdoing because white people been on they best behavior for the last 20.


lmao
June 25, 2009 4:19 PM
 

tbirdandkoolaid said:

did they run a train on the white broad?

No.

then they ain't brothas.

im jus saying

lol
June 25, 2009 4:24 PM
 

poe said:

blown out of proportion.
June 25, 2009 4:30 PM
 

EST said:

Very interesting article and comments. I saw some of the movie yesterday but didn't finish it so I'm going to watch it from start to finish this evening before making any judgements.
June 25, 2009 4:37 PM
 

Mr.GoodBrother said:

May as well call these sterotypes "Jar-Jar Bots...." Michael Bay needs some sensitivity training (FOR REALA...) He dropped the ball on this go round with these Stephin Fetchitt characters.... True Talk.Brooklyn Lives-B.I.G.
June 25, 2009 4:51 PM
 

DaWildchild said:

IF a black dude had made this movie those bots would have been some coon ass niggas and people would have thought it was funny. I think people overanalyze shit too much. The plot of the movies sucks but as far as the characters niggas only mad cause there are no black bots that are heroes in the transformers movies. I'll be glad for them to make a movie and put Blaster in the mufucka so we black people can finally have a movie with a hero in it. Niggas is too sensitive these days.
June 25, 2009 5:12 PM
 

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June 25, 2009 6:15 PM
 

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June 25, 2009 6:32 PM
 

RADAMOS2 said:

This is what the actor (Reno Wilson, a black man) who is the voice for Mudflap (one of the controversial robots) had to say about it:

"It's an alien who uploaded information from the Internet and put together the conglomeration and formed this cadence, way of speaking and body language that was accumulated over X amount of years of information and that's what came out," the 40-year-old actor said. "If he had uploaded country music, he would have come out like that."

"It could easily be a Transformer that uploaded Kevin Federline data," Wilson said. "They (the robots) were just like posers to me."

----------------------------------------------------

So their characteristics came from internet research.
I wonder what site they got it from?
June 25, 2009 6:37 PM
 

Black Nicholson said:

all i know is whenever nonjews make something that is derogatory towards jews its labeled antisememtic and the jews shut it down. whenever derogatory things are made about blacks, or brown people in general (asians, middle easterners, latinos) some people speak about it and try to shut it down but it continues in the media. so if people want to see better images of dark skinned people potrayed and speak up at the slightest infractions to let mothafuckas in hollywood know we not letting shit slide whats the problem? its for everyones benefit, if u cant see it then u blind and brainwashed by the dominant culture, wake the fuck up
June 25, 2009 7:12 PM
 

MaybachMania said:

U guys are takin it way too fuckin far!

TRANSFORMERS WAS ILLLL!! BEST MOVIE THIS YEAR!!

And it is makin fun of hill-billy's more than black people..
Why so sensitive? in movies all the time they make fun of chineese and arabs... its all for fun and jokes!

WAY TOO FAR!
Go see that movie people.. it is AMAZING!
June 25, 2009 7:16 PM
 

MaybachMania said:

U guys are takin it way too fuckin far!

TRANSFORMERS WAS ILLLL!! BEST MOVIE THIS YEAR!!

And it is makin fun of hill-billy's more than black people..
Why so sensitive? in movies all the time they make fun of chineese and arabs... its all for fun and jokes!

WAY TOO FAR!
Go see that movie people.. it is AMAZING!
June 25, 2009 7:18 PM
 

mike10088 said:

this is ridiculous..people really need to grow up and stop trying to pick fights over every little thing..seriously..the last things anybody needs is little f*cks complaining this much over a MOVIE!!! thats exactly what it is, a movie, nothing phenominal, nothing life changing, its just for entertainment, the robots are entertaining!! thats all, nothing more nothing less...its for a good laugh at most and then to MOVE ON...all anyone wants to do is bit*h and moan about everything..im sure the only reason this writer is doing a story like this is to stir up a little controversy to get a little noticed...its always gotta be race this race that, well maybe if you would stop acting like a child over it all they would get bored of it and move on also! really its not that big of a deal at all...do you think white people get mad over every movie thats made and has white people looking like idiots? look at rob zombies 1st halloween remake..the family was a bunch of white trash, did wwhite people go on a rampage and rally against the move? no! becuase white people dont get hung up on stupid sh!t like that..because its only a movie!!! look at all the pot head movies there are..pineapple express anyone? it makes it look like all white people are stoners like that, there are soooo many movies, like horror movies that put white people as these crazed maniac killers...theres so many to name! all of this and people love to go see these movies, there some of the best of all time, and nobody goes overboard and having to but race, gender, or class of people have to do with everything!!

and......are any of you forgetting the movies that black people themselves put out??? the waynes brothers just put out the movie dance flick that had a high school black girl with a kid that doesnt even know how to take care of it and puts it in her LOCKER on the hanger and leaves it there, but that doesnt get any of you mad?? thats like saying all black girls get pregnant young, or that theyre bad mothers, or how about the "dont be a menace to south central" movie, there are UNLIMITED amounts of things i can name that should be making you waaaayyy more mad than this transformer movie....but its not...and why???? because the people who made those movies were black, but the people who made transformers were white...so whos really having the problem with race????????????
June 25, 2009 7:31 PM
 

dubem said:

@ AHH

Ya'll got the most racist editorials and seem to keep racism alive and strong!!!!  Every week it's a different, retarded point of view from one of your racist journalists, sparking contraversy between races!!!  This has to be the most retarded editorial I've read on this site!!!  As long as different races live together, there is going to be racial stereotypes!!!!!  Get over it, and enjoy the movie instead of thinking Transformers are racist!!!  Why are you so fucking sensitive???????????????????????////
June 25, 2009 7:34 PM
 

mike10088 said:

this was going waay too far, anyone reading any negative posts about the movie or this "review" do not listen to any of the bull...go see the movie, its worth it, it was a GREAT movie, regardless of which race made it!! go support a good movie!!
June 25, 2009 7:34 PM
 

mike10088 said:

 dubem said:
@ AHH

Ya'll got the most racist editorials and seem to keep racism alive and strong!!!!  Every week it's a different, retarded point of view from one of your racist journalists, sparking contraversy between races!!!  This has to be the most retarded editorial I've read on this site!!!  As long as different races live together, there is going to be racial stereotypes!!!!!  Get over it, and enjoy the movie instead of thinking Transformers are racist!!!  Why are you so fucking sensitive???????????????????????////




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June 25, 2009 7:36 PM
 

prob_limbs said:

i love how dumb niggers never care about how they people are portrayed,and i use nigger to the one's who act like everything is so good once you get a lil bit and don't do anything to help out yo folks,i don't care if you live in a great neighborhood or have white friends or white wife, just always look out for your people and don't accept no bullshit from that other side,yell

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June 25, 2009 9:05 PM
 

cuyahogatalls said:

"HARRY ALLEN R WE THAT TYPE?"'DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!'
June 25, 2009 9:15 PM
 

DC CA$HVILLE said:

Dear Harry,

If you are going to exploit the black sterotypes in this film, you need to exploit the other racial sterotypes from other races as well.  No race or culture is safe in a michael bay film.  He has been doing this for a while now.  His movies are not taking seriously because it is just dumb fun.  I am still going to see this film.

Peace and more hair grease,

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June 25, 2009 9:26 PM
 

allhiphop145273 said:

boohoo, they didnt put more black people in transformers

whinge whinge whinge
June 25, 2009 10:14 PM
 

LifeOnWax said:

Didn't feel like typing, so I recorded my thoughts about this hilarity of a review. Feel free to comment/hate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbPNR7Gy_CU
June 26, 2009 5:58 AM
 

kingjust627 said:

B*braze said:
and please dont speak on black on black crime/murder.

lets compare numbers thru history...


who has been behind more slaughter of people throughout the history of the world?



I say:
Chrisitians and Middle easterns... biblical shit if you believe it.  Next would probably be germans against the jews... 1 million +.  And that was white on white.

July 1, 2009 1:17 PM
 

kingjust627 said:

He said:
lol

we s'posed to forget the thousands of years of wrongdoing because white people been on they best behavior for the last 20.


lmao

I say:
You didn't go through none of what your ancestors did.  Your ancestors died for you to be able to do what you can now.  And you still bitch about shit??  Get over your self righteous self.
July 1, 2009 1:18 PM
 

kingjust627 said:

It's funny no one has mentioned this... but remember in the first one where OP was asked how they learned human language?  What did he say?  "The internet".  So if you think outside the box, none of these robots were like this from jump, and "learned" all of this through observing our dumb ass ways.  The second part just expounds on it.  Oh yeah, didn't Tyrese play one of those kick ass roles... oh yeah, we are all focused on "robots" who's characteristics are determined by humans, but then we get all sensative when this is on the big screen.

Reality check you fucks, go to gorillafights.com, psfights.com, hell... truTV.com and let me know if that is a bad stereotype, because honestly, I still see that myself.

Lastly, i'm puerto rican and vietnamese.  I rag on being the mixed up slop of a human being I am all the time.  For example, I love eating dog... LOL just saying that is fucking funny because I have really had dog meat in the form of a korean dish called kugolgi.  Secondly, I always say shit like you better keep yourshit locked up, you know us puerto ricans steal shit.  That shit is funny also, because I have been arrested for stealing.  What it boils down to is how much of your dick is really a clit.  You sensative fucks need to get over this shit, now matter what is being made fun of.  Only those who listen to shit people say define what is being said.  None of that shit in the movie prevent you from making money, getting an education, buying a nice care, etc.  So get the fuck over it, it's a good movie, and the twins kick ass when they go against destroyer... but i'm sure that was left out so nit picking can be done.

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July 1, 2009 1:27 PM
 

WIllCalhounfan said:

B*Braze:
"and please dont speak on black on black crime/murder.
lets compare numbers thru history..."

Lets.

"who has been behind more slaughter of people throughout the history of the world?"

That would be a close tie between Josef Stalin and Chairman Mao.  Both literally produced mountains of corpses of their own countrymen.
July 12, 2009 7:35 PM
 

WIllCalhounfan said:

B*Braze, since we're talking about world history, please tell me who, through their direct actions and by inspiring others to do the same, caused the most people to rebel against tyrants who ruled other men by birthright, paying with blood for the right to elect their leaders.

The same sort of people are the ones who first recognized that slavery was wrong and did something about it.  We can debate whether the Civil war was fought over slavery or to keep the country in one piece but those two things are connected.
July 12, 2009 8:06 PM
 

WIllCalhounfan said:

In both movies Tyrese, in the role of Epp's USAF CCT  (Combat Controller)  gave an inspiring example of a positive black role model.  He directed a fire mission against a decepticon, saving the lives of of his team.  He also gathered crucial intel that helped the government piece together what was happening and how to fight back effectively. He was the epitome of competence under intense pressure.  These Combat Controllers from the Florida Panhandle are a rare instance Airmen falling under the command of SOCOM (Special Forces), and the job is HIGHLY sought after and competed for.  All of these guys are quite intelligent and most speak several languages.   Hooray for Tyrese's Epps.  Maybe he has inspired a young black kid to try to become one of the best of our Special Forces.
July 12, 2009 8:17 PM
 

WIllCalhounfan said:

Let's not forget Jazz from the first movie either.  Obviously he learned earth's languages from downloading some hip hop culture and thus can be thought of as a black character.  He fought bravely, and was Optimus' lieutenant.  He wasn't just a scrap happy autobot, either.  He got in Optimus' face about a decision made.  He questioned the ethics of not rescuing Bumblebee, and why they were fighting this whole fight in the first place.
July 12, 2009 8:24 PM
 

adopefemalemc said:

There were too many dope comments to read. How come I didn't see this article before. Wish I coulda jumped in the discussion.

Anybody who does not think that those were stereotypes in ROTF, please youtube Ethnic Notions and watch ALL parts.

Hollywood has been portrayin us this way since before cinematography existed.

This was a great article.
September 2, 2009 6:01 AM
 

adopefemalemc said:

Zeke615 said:
It hilarious that most people missed the point of the article and how some have even began disputes with one another. The gentleman was trying to inform the masses of what he saw as an injustice. This is microcosm of what happens when one tries to warn the masses of anything. It seems as though he was warning people of the Sambo type characters in the film. This character is taught in most Black History and Black Literature classes. It is taught so that you may be able to readily identify the Sambo when it is present. Sambo is just one of the many literary stereotypes. Don't kill the messenger the author is trying to show people that it is present. Sure it there are other stereotypes sure Black people feed into other racial stereotypes. Entertainment has been built upon these attitudes. Bare in mind, entertainment and the media are often used as a way to spread propaganda and promote oppression.

The man makes several good points.
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Well, go on & tell the truth, then.
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ParkinLotDrunk said:

The movie was not the cause homie, it was the result of racism... but as a black man, I was expecting some fucked up and over exaggerated black character that was probably created and voiced by a white person....

it didn't bother me NEARLY as much as it bothered you.... I know RACISM still exist, so I don't throw a fit about stupid s**tlike stero-typed characters in a FUCKING MOVIE........

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE ROOT OF RACISM, STOP WATCHING MOVIES AND FOCUS YOUR ENERGY ON THE DEEPLY-ROOTED PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE OF A RACIST...

YOU CAN NOT DEFEAT WHAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND....

I'm just sayin...
-Él
September 18, 2009 5:18 PM
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