Knockout Nation: Pacquiao Will KO Cotto? Berto-Mosley Beef, Mayweather Debate, Mike Tyson or George Foreman?  
Published Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:27 AM
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By Ismael AbduSalaam

 

Freddie Roach Lays Out Cotto Blueprint

Manny Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach has never been shy when it comes to interviews. As the days wind down to the anticipated showdown between his fighter and welterweight titlist Miguel Cotto, Roach laid out some interesting quotes on how he sees the fight going down.

 

“I’m very confident in my guy. With the power he’s bringing up in weight I feel he’ll knock Cotto out,” Roach explained in a conference call earlier this week. “We got two more big sparring days and then we’ll start tapering off.”

 

On Cotto’s last fight against Joshua Clottey, Roach argued that Miguel was ready to quit in the 9th, and that his defensive lapses will be his undoing against Pacquiao’s speed.

 

“He makes adjustments when he fights southpaws. He’ll have trouble with the speed,” he explained. “I think he’ll try to be a counterpuncher and not come at us. Manny’s punching so much harder than he’s ever had. Cotto doesn’t have great defense, he’s very hittable. He looked better in the Clottey fight but he did try and quit in the 9th round…we’re going to start quick.”

 

To some critics, Pacquiao has become overrated for his win over a weakened welterweight version of Oscar De La Hoya, and a Ricky Hatton people are now calling shot.

 

Roach quickly dismissed these comments as simply Monday morning quarterbacking.

 

“Manny would beat Oscar on his best day. Hatton was supposed to be stronger, too” Roach pointed out. “Skill wins fights and Manny is the better boxer. If we stay off the ropes, it’ll be to our benefit. We’ve got to take his confidence away right away”

 

Of course, Manny Pacquiao was his usual modest self on the call, and declined to co-sign his trainer’s prediction of a knockout.

 

“Cotto is a bigger guy, hard puncher, and strong,” Pacquiao said. “For me, I focus on the fight. If the knockout comes, it comes. I always believe in my power.”

 

November 14 can’t get here quick enough.

 

 

 

Berto Furious with Mosley, Lays Down Challenge

For the last year, there have been rumors that Andre Berto would eventually face Shane Mosley in a classic “passing the torch” style contest. Throughout it all, both guys have remained very respectful to each other. That was, until this week.

 

Earlier this week, Shane Mosley conducted an interview where he proclaimed that he’d ruin Berto’s career, should the young welterweight decide to step in the ring with him in January.

 

Berto, a Twitter regular, was incensed and uncharacteristically went after Shane on personal levels regarding his divorce and steroids controversy.

 

“I want him to say all that smack to me. I showed him only respect now he’s getting real slick out the mouth. He grew a pair of balls overnight,” Berto tweeted. “Is Shane Mosley that desperate talking all this crazy s**tnot knowing he’s making himself look like a dumb ass like he did with Floyd? Boy I will shred yo’ ass up. You popping smack at the wrong one I’m not Floyd. His old lady had the pants in the relationship now she’s gone so he’s starting to speak up like a big boy ha ha, I see you. You know what I don’t even think I want to fight Shane Mosley you know he’s known for taking them steroids. Probably got some in his pocket now.”

 

So far, Mosley has not responded to Berto’s tweet rampage. But nonetheless, we have a fight on our hands.

 

You can’t blame Berto for his passion, considering how flippant Mosley was in his dismissal of him. Still, Andre cannot go into the ring angry against the fighter of Mosley’s caliber. A brawl plays right into his hands and gets Berto knocked out.

 

Most experts and fans favor Mosley in this matchup based on Berto’s alleged chin issues (Collazo, Rivera). However, by January Mosley will have been out of the ring for a full year. And Berto is quick, and will be a more elusive target than Mosley's last two powerful but defense deficient opponents (Mayorga, Mosley).

 

Berto’s a live underdog, but I have to lean towards Mosley on experience. Your thoughts?

 

 

Margarito Calls Out Cotto, Gets Rebuffed

Disgraced former welterweight champ Antonio Margarito is hoping to make his boxing return with a rematch of his signature fight against Miguel Cotto.

 

In a recent public statement, Margarito challenged Cotto to a return bout early next year if the Puerto Rican gets past Manny Pacquiao.

 

"I'd give Cotto a rematch. I think that fight will be good,” Margarito told ESPN. The only loss he has is to me, and if he wants to remove that thorn from his side, then I will give him a second defeat."

 

From Puerto Rico, Miguel Cotto immediately shot down the challenge and made it clear whether he thought Margarito cheated against him last July.

 

"I don't care about anything Margarito has to say,” Cotto stated to the Associated Press. “He lost all of his credibility, benefits and consideration in boxing. When it comes to Miguel Cotto, he will not earn another penny."

 

Margarito is currently serving a one year suspension after officials discovered plaster-like residue in his hand-wrappings before his  January title match with Shane Mosley. Mosley subsequently dominated Margarito and knocked him out.

 

Does Antonio Margarito deserve a second chance? While there’s no evidence that he cheated in previous fights, it’s hard to imagine he would pick the Mosley fight to be the first time to pull that stunt. Additionally, you can’t ignore how quickly Cotto’s face was bludgeoned in the later rounds. And who can forget Sebastian Lujan having his ear ripped open?

 

I propose as a condition of his reinstatement, his first fight must be an immediate rematch with Mosley.

 

Floyd Mayweather and RA the Rugged Man Spar on the Radio

Last night, Floyd Mayweather got on the radio and engaged in a heated debtate with RA the Rugged Man over his recent selection of opponents.

 

Both guys had good points, however I felt RA glossed over the fact Mayweather went up to 154 and fought De La Hoya at his natural weight, and outclassed an undefeated Hatton. If these were bad opponents for Mayweather 2 years ago, they can't be good wins for Pacquiao now.  Plus RA shouldn't have tried to imply Ricardo Lopez wasn't great.

 

Check it out, hilarious. I'm ready for a part 2!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mythical Matchup of the Week: “Iron” Mike Tyson vs. George Foreman (Prime)

As a young fighter, Mike Tyson’s mentor Cus D’Amato used to show him films of all the previous champs. The legendary trainer would break down their styles, offering Mike detailed analysis of their strengths and weaknesses.

 

When they got to George Foreman, Cus is reputed to have told him that no swarmer, ie.come forward aggressive fighter (Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier) ever beats Foreman. He was too strong, and would push them into range of his deadly uppercuts, as seen in his two round blitz of a previously undefeated Joe Frazier in 1973.

 

 

 

Trying to box Foreman wasn’t easy, either. The former champion possessed a hard jab, and could cut off the ring quickly and trap opponents on the ropes. Ken Norton fell victim to this and suffered a brutal KO in just two rounds. Ali was forced to adopt the rope a dope when Foreman was able to easily trap him on the ropes despite Muhammad’s excellent footwork.

 

And when he was landed on, George Foreman held a sturdy chin that served him later in the 90s, when as an old man the young fighters were wary of mixing it up with him on the inside. Add this up with his punching power, and it’s easy to see why pundits expected Foreman to reign for a long time.

 

Mike Tyson, contrary to popular belief, did not excel at in-fighting. He retained a bad habit throughout his career of stopping his offense anytime he was clinched. This was unlike his idol Jack Dempsey and others like Joe Frazier, who would punish opponents in clinches: whether through legal punches or foul shots to the kidney, hips, or groin.

 

Tyson’s lethal game was at mid-range. From there he could rip off hard combinations. His great head movement and weaving kept him from absorbing punishment, and kept him in position to crash home counters on his usually larger opponents.

 

 

 

Against Foreman, this would be crucial. Tyson would not want to get too close, as Foreman would simply push him back by his shoulders and smash him with uppercuts and hooks. At mid-range, Tyson would have opportunities to counter the slower Foreman. Although Foreman shook off several Frazier left hooks in their two bouts, Big George would have never faced someone like Tyson, who was blessed with dynamite and speed in both hands.

 

With all that said, there’s one other Tyson flaw that I feel would sink him against Foreman, and that is Iron Mike’s inability to fight going backwards. His offense is 100% forward, and when any fighter has forced him in the other direction he loses most of the leverage on his punches. George Foreman is likely the strongest heavyweight champion physically, edging others like Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson. At many points during the fight, he will move Tyson backwards. It will be bullying, but not involve all the grappling that Holyfield did against Mike in 1996. It will be shoving coupled with hard punches. And on the backfoot Tyson doesn’t have the capabilities to make Foreman pay like Ali and even Jimmy Young did.

 

This is a shootout and a great fight to debate. To add more allure to this matchup, rumors persist that Tyson refused to fight Foreman in 1990 mostly due to what Cus D’Amato had instilled in him about Foreman’s abilities.

 

So who are you going with, Tyson or Foreman?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Comments

 

Smoove82 said:

more boxing i watch i realize styles make fights and IF pacquiao make it past cotto floyd mayweather gonna murk him just like he did homeboy recently, and my heart wants to go for mike tyson in his prime but my mind says foreman, I would go for tyson in his prime but I ont know what would happen, we'll never know thats a dream matchup tho
October 31, 2009 2:47 AM
 

Lifestyle / Sports : Knockout Nation: Pacquiao Will KO Cotto? Mike … | Breaking News 24/7 said:

October 31, 2009 4:34 AM
 

MIGS said:

f**k margarito haters, i was reading an interview he did and he said that day that they checked his gloves they didnt do anything they just made him unfold the wrappin and put it back on... i think foos are just mad and sour how they main man Cotto got demolished by mexican power period, margarito just had heart and didnt wanna give up easy so he gave yall the best fight of 08. Take your loss like a man lames.
October 31, 2009 5:44 AM
 

gorgan said:

i voted undecided on the Tyson vs Foreman match because

Standing in front and trading with Foreman at his peak is suicidal because the power he had was unlike any heavyeweight in history

Standing in front of Tyson at his prime and trading shots will most times get you ko'd because he was merely to fast for any heavyweight to get there shots off

I HATE SITTING ON THE FENCE BUT THIS IS ONE OF TOUGHEST PREDICTIONS I'VE BEEN FACED WITH
October 31, 2009 8:42 AM
 

gorgan said:

MIGS said:
f**k margarito haters, i was reading an interview he did and he said that day that they checked his gloves they didnt do anything they just made him unfold the wrappin and put it back on... i think foos are just mad and sour how they main man Cotto got demolished by mexican power period, margarito just had heart and didnt wanna give up easy so he gave yall the best fight of 08. Take your loss like a man lames.

Gorgan said:
I'm a black boxing fan not Peurto Rican or Mexican so i have no reason to side with Cotto . but if Antonio was so innocent why was he suspended after the fight . Your facts are incorrect Nazeem Richardson felt the gloves felt unusually hard and Margarito was forced to re wrap the gloves "fact"

AS A RESULT this must put in to question did Margarito have his gloves tampererd beforehand in in other bouts before the Shane Mosely

no disrespect but i hate when ppl hijak sports to make racial point
October 31, 2009 8:53 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

Man, that's a tough one between Tyson and Foreman, but i would have to say Tyson in his prime, but it could go either way. Tyson never faced someone with so much power, like Foreman. If Tyson did win, it wouldn't be by a K.O. though, Foreman only been down one time in his career, that was by Ali.
October 31, 2009 9:21 AM
 

Ashy2Clazzy said:

I got Tyson by KO.

To the author of this article, name one fighter who was good while backing up...I'll wait for that...matter of fact I've never seen a heavyweight do anything while backing. Maybe Jack Johnson, but he would have been clowning if/when he backed up.

Tyson was powerful, fast, quick, and his defense is what legends are made of. Foreman would have never even seen anything close to this in his prime.

4 real tho, when Foreman came back in the 90s they str8 screwed him against Morrison--that sh!t was wack. The fix was on HBO-great-white-hope style!

Check that Tyson documentary for da raw and uncut Iron Mike.
October 31, 2009 9:55 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:


@Ashy2Clazzy

Tyson couldn't knockout Foreman, you must not know about Foreman chin. Foreman faced fraiser, and he had a deadly right hook.
October 31, 2009 10:14 AM
 

Ashy2Clazzy said:

@liquidswords95 aka Marq wink wink

Not even Frazier had Tyson's power and it wasn't just the power, it was the accuracy and speed of the punch that woulda had Foreman taking more shots to the face then the chin.

Shots to the face = Dazed for uppercut
Shots to the face from Tyson = Head twisted backwards

Frazier had a deadly hook, but Tyson had a deadly everything in his prime. Go watch the first 20 Tyson fights--it might take you 10 mins lol, but nobody (maybe Ali/Johnson) would've survived those fights...nobody.
October 31, 2009 11:00 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:


@Ashy2Clazzy

What you mean by aka Marq wink wink? Foreman wouldn't got knocked out, but it's possible that, Foreman could knockout Tyson though.
October 31, 2009 11:04 AM
 

Ashy2Clazzy said:

@liquidswords95

You look like a dude I used to work with at UPS in Atl a while back...his name was Marq-well that's the first part of his name that's all. Tryna see if you were him.

If it could have gone past 6 rounds, there's no doubt Foreman "coulda" knocked him out, but it's like a bully finally squaring off with the new bully---Foreman would not have mentally been able to handle someone strong, powerful, with the quickness of a welterweight, and the defense of a lightweight and just as mean if not meaner. They just don't make those in the heavyweight divisions.
October 31, 2009 11:24 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@Ashy2Clazzy

Nah, i ain't him, i been to Atlanta, but never worked there.
October 31, 2009 11:34 AM
 

Ashy2Clazzy said:

@ LiquidSwords95

Bet. Another case of the mistaken ID, no diss.

but Tyson in a KO in 3 rounds.
October 31, 2009 11:41 AM
 

gorgan said:

@  liquidswords95 said:
Man, that's a tough one between Tyson and Foreman, but i would have to say Tyson in his prime, but it could go either way. Tyson never faced someone with so much power, like Foreman. If Tyson did win, it wouldn't be by a K.O. though, Foreman only been down one time in his career, that was by Ali

Gorgan said:
Foreman was floored about 2 times in a all out brawl with Ron Lyle which he eventually won by ko in the 5th
October 31, 2009 11:42 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

Gorgan said:
Foreman was floored about 2 times in a all out brawl with Ron Lyle which he eventually won by ko in the 5th
October 31, 2009 11:42 AM


I don't recall that fight, i didn't remember anything about the fight. If that's the case, still he got a solid chin, going by you, he only been down 3 times in over 60 fights, that's still good, how many boxers can say that? Also, you see Foreman still won that fight, that he got floored in twice.
October 31, 2009 11:48 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

Foreman knocked Lyle down twice as well, the second time knocking Lyle out in the ... Professional boxing record for Ron Lyle from Boxrec ...


@gorgan

this is from Google, you got it backwards bro. Foreman knocked him down twice. Like i said Foreman only been to the floor one time and that's against the Greatest of all time, Muhammed Ali.
October 31, 2009 11:52 AM
 

Allahschild said:

@ Ashy2Clazzy

Thanks for reading. There's several heavyweight who can fight well backing up, and have based their entire styles based around it. We can start with the only two men to beat Foreman in his first career: Muhammad Ali and Jimmy Young. Both hated to lead.  A few years later you have Larry Holmes as well, who incorporated that in his style after years of training under Ali.

Today, you can look at Vitali Klitschko as an obvious example. In his last fight against Arreola, he hardly came foward even once and still dominated him.

Check out some youtube clips of Jersey Joe Walcott too, he was a master at countering and making aggressive opponents look foolish (even the great Joe Louis).

So yeah, fighting off the backfoot is not something just confined to the lower weight fighters.

For Tyson, it just doesn't fit with his style. I'm not saying that takes away from his greatness, but with certain fighters it's a very bad style matchup when his opponent is stronger and can bully him backwards.

Ismael AbduSalaam
October 31, 2009 11:53 AM
 

momanpr100 said:

obvious freddy roach aint watch da cotto-clottey fight. clottey was da one bitchin da whole fight. cotto got head butted had a major gash on his eye and still comin at da dude. dat n***a said he wanted to quit, get da f**k outta here wit dat bs. clottey wanted to quit even da ref was tellin dat n***a da whole fight to man up and fight like a champ, thats y he lost cuz he was actin scared. i think roach jus tryna hype da fight but his facts is wrong.
October 31, 2009 1:11 PM
 

mcfaz said:

nothin about this story but any yous gonna watch th david vs goliath fight?
October 31, 2009 1:59 PM
 

gorgan said:

October 31, 2009 2:09 PM
 

mcfaz said:

u cant really say who is the best,diff generations = diff training

if tyson had they right ppl behind him and the right mind set ,he would b unstoppable

October 31, 2009 2:55 PM
 

icecold1727 said:

Iron Mike all day. Greatest boxer ever...hands down. But, in his prime? Faster than Foreman in his prime. Stronger than Foreman in his prime. More stamina than Foreman in his prime. Tyson's defense is arguably the best ever witnessed in the heavy weight class. Foreman's brute strength would be rendered useless against Iron Mike!

Also, Manny will be Floyd if they ever get to fight. Only thing stopping this from happening is Floyd. This would be his biggest pay day ever, what's he running from? I'm a Floyd fan and a Pac man fan...but Manny is quicker, stronger and has more stamina than most boxers Floyd has dispatched...

October 31, 2009 3:46 PM
 

Ashy2Clazzy said:

@allahschild

Point well taken.
October 31, 2009 3:51 PM
 

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October 31, 2009 4:08 PM
 

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October 31, 2009 4:08 PM
 

blackrome said:

When you say Hopklins is the best fighter out you lose all stripes when talking boxing.

Floyd would kick Sugar's ass. It wouldn't even be fair.
October 31, 2009 5:29 PM
 

SuperChrisbo said:

@Liquid Swords


It is very much possible for tyson to ko Foreman! Ali exhausted Foreman and then ko'd him so why can't tyson?

Mosley will whoop soft ass Berto! Berto damn near got his ass whooped by colazo.

Cotto is scared of Margarito! Cotto a few months ago said that he was eager to rematch Margarito. NOw he changes his mind? Thats wack because Miguel's uncle/trainer was in the locker room while Toni was getting hiss hands wrapped. Thus Margarito didnt cheat against him.  So his excuse cant be that he believes Margarito cheated against him.

Floyd is weak as hell! that n***a turned down 8 million to dodge a fight with Margarito ( proof is on youtube). And he retired to dodge a mandatory defense of his title against Margarito.
 Thats perfect illustration of a paper champ, someone who hand picks his oponents to protect his 0 on his loss record.

Tyson knocked that n***a Lennox Lewis out of the ring when they sparred as young adult teens. Also Tyson beat the hell out of Evander Holyfield after they got into an arguement over a pool table.
Thus, Tyson would have polverized both them cats if he was mentaly together
October 31, 2009 5:31 PM
 

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October 31, 2009 5:35 PM
 

blackrome said:


icecold1727: You were doing OK until you mentioned Manny would beat Floyd.

The only person that has a chance at beating Floyd is Paul Williams.

And that's a CHANCE.

He has the tools and the build. I don't know if he has the head.

Manny would look slow when you put him next to Floyd.

It would be just another boxing lesson.

Easy.

No one Floyd's size can hit him enough to beat him.

That's why I say Williams has the only chance.

I don't even know if Pac is going to beat Cotto.


October 31, 2009 5:44 PM
 

general_J_Hood said:

that first frazier knock dow look fugazie
had to watch the replay at 4:00 min in
like 5 times and it looked fake every time.  
then at 5:48 he gets hit thinks about it jumps and falls down...
shits funny to me

tyson was a beast honestly im like u all i don't know who would win...

but im going with mike.

neither was very smart as a young fighter

both had power but mike had incredible timing

although advantage goes to the taller fighter( says the art of war )

i love mike joe... followed his career and im bias so if u said forman

eat a grill lol...


October 31, 2009 6:01 PM
 

JRucker said:

@blackrome

Preach brotha! Mayweather will eat Pac up

And, I believe Cotto gon KO Pac. Pac done bit off more than he can chew.
October 31, 2009 7:15 PM
 

fightnews10 said:

Where is part 2 of the Hopkins interview? It's very unprofessional to take this long putting it out.
October 31, 2009 10:04 PM
 

Slumlord said:

Mayweather is an entertaining dude that can sell a fight and staight up, he is the best lb for lb fighter out right now. The dude Ra had some good points about him being ultra selective about picking his opponents and worrying about his legacy and alot of what he said I belive to be true.  Mayweather is undefeated and if he runs the risk of losing at this stage in the game, he would want something that he can pass the blame too.  I dont feel it is so much about the money like Ra was saying but there is alot of politics in boxing that Mayweather is not going to come out and be transparent about.  If I was dude, I wouldnt even had that arguement with that cat but it was good to hear where he is coming from.  

As for the Tyson - Forman matchup.  Tyson in his prime would destroy Forman, just like he would any of his other opponents.  I have boxed for over 20 years, did some boxing on the Amatuer circuit and have been trained by some of the best. I can honestly say that Tyson would win because of the style matchup and how dude trained.  Tyson was a serious student of the game and had excellent trainers early on.  He was very disciplined, were talking waking up 4 am every day running 3 to 5 miles, sparring 10 rounds, doing 1000 situps stuff like that.  He would have been able to get inside on George because of his style.  

Tyson was much faster than Frazier, had more head movements, slips and to close the distance - he would sometimes switch to southpaw after ducking a left jab.  Foreman's strength was that he hit hard as hell and he had a strong chin and could take a punch from the best but Tyson would have rocked his dome after a few rounds.  It would of course have been a good fight if it took place and I think it wouldnt have been close. The way Tyson fights, either he would have knocked Foreman out or Foreman would knocked him out.
October 31, 2009 10:05 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@gorgan

Yeah i saw the fight, foreman wasn't even hurt though, he got back up and won the fight. But you right he was dropped 3 times in his career, but he was only KO'd once though. He still got one of the solidest chin in boxing history.
October 31, 2009 10:39 PM
 

gorgan said:

@  liquidswords95

Gorgan said;
Jimmy Young actually decked Foreman in the 12th and final round and outpointed George
October 31, 2009 10:52 PM
 

raerok3 said:

tyson g.o.a.t.
November 1, 2009 12:46 AM
 

El.CaMiNo_82BoY said:

Foreman would beat Tyson... KO in 5th or 6th rd.

90% of Tyson opponents were intimidated when the contracts were signed!

Back in Ali's era... Boxers were tougher and went longer distances in championship bouts. Foreman was the ultimate intimidator who should've been Ali (GOAT) and dominated Frazier. I love Tyson but he was to small with very little stamina in his prime to beat Foreman in his prime!

Remember: Foreman's opponents had to go @ least 8-10 rds in order to start wearing down Foreman and Tyson couldn't go past 4-5 rds in his prime no matter who his opponent was.

Foreman was a Klitschko body type but bigger with Joe Frazier aggressive fighting style. Tyson beat a lot of wanna-be counter punchers that were scared in his prime.

Mayweather is a boxing technician but he's a classic "fraudulent" champion and will find multiple reasons not to fight Pacquiao, Margarito and Mosley! I wouldn't be suprised if he retires before fighting another capable fighter. Pacquiao is the man until Cotto or Mayweather beats him! Mayweather doesn't own this era unless he beat the best and not the best opponent for PPV ratings. Just like with Tyson... Boxing fans purchase PPV bouts to see Mayweather lose not because boxing needs him or owes him.

Berto wins by KO over Mosley...

Mosley is a capable fighter but he's writing a check his @ss can't cash. Berto is faster, stronger (KO power in each hand) and more aggressive than Mosley. Mosley would have to put on a "boxing clinic" for 12 rds to beat Berto. Mosley can't KO anybody and I doubt he could take Berto's attacking punching power and speed. Reminder: Margarito is a lot slower than most of Mosley's opponents.
November 1, 2009 2:56 AM
 

flyest1 said:

Andre Berto isn't knocking Mosley out, lol. The man power is overrated. Mosley has only been knocked down once against Forrest. That was after a headbutt. The man had over 250 amatuer fights and wash never knockdown. Berto has problem with pressure as seen in the Collazo fight. He was even scared of Urango when he was applying pressure on Berto. It's obvious that Al Haymon is trying to cashout with Berto. We all know Floyd isn't fighting Berto. Arum and Haymon hate each other, so a fight with Berto and Cotto or Pac will never happen. The only fighter Arum would give Berto is Clottey. We all know they're not going to take that fight. The only fight were he can make cash is Mosley. He sin't ready for him at all. I bet that Berto is going to try and hug Mosley all night long. All Mosley needs to do is apply pressure and throw that jab. Berto isn't going oto avoid thatleft hook or over right hand by Mosley

Ricardo Lopez was a great fighter. To bad fights with Carbajal and Canizalez never happened. He still fought everyone besides does two. I still believe Alvarez was robbed in both those fights.

Pac vs Cotto is a hard one to chose from. Of course Pac is smaller. But the man has speed and power. Plus he is great at moving in a out. Cotto has slow feet. But he makes that up with great timing with his jab. He will be the bigger the man and can apply pressure. But unlike the fighters that Pac has had problems with like Morales and Marquez. Cotto isn't a great counter puncher. But he is a great body puncher.

Floyd is probably the greatest pure boxer ever. He is up there wit hfighters like Pep, Whitaker, Lopez, and even Hector Camacho in his prime. But the thing is he needs to fight legit threats to prove he is the man. If Floyd would have fought Cotto after the Hatton fight. That would have bee na huge victory. Cotto just beat my man Mosley in a close fight. Both him and Floyd were undefeated at the time. That would have been a great win. If he would have retired after that a beat a Mosley after the Margo fight, instead of fighting Marquez. That would have been like Leonard beating Hagler after a 3 year layoff.  Then a fight with Pac could have bee ngoing on now.  hose fights would have been huge for him.

Can't nobdoy tell me that a fight between Floyd and Mosley wouldn't sell. That's a huge fight.


Cotto vs Margo will probably happen sometime next year. If not Cotto vs Mosley 2

People can talk bad about Tito, Hoya, Vargas, Mosley, Cotto, or even Pac. But they fought everyone they needed to fight win or lose. That's why there respected. Floyd can be them to if he fights the best. Mosley called him out in his face in front of the world. If the fight was so easy, that money in the bank.

I'm a Floyd fan, but it's time for him to step up.

Tyson and Foreman have the power to knock out anyone along with Ernie Shavers and Tua at HW. I believe Tyson in his prime had the best skills for  HW, besides Ali. The man was a beast,
November 1, 2009 3:46 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

well freddie has a knack of correctly predicting fights, so who knows!!!

i dont even wanna get into the tyson foreman fight... lmao

im gonna check them floyd r.a intervews in abit, sounds funny... and random!! ra is a beast when it comes to rap tho!!! he came to my bredrens graff shop in the uk a while back


November 1, 2009 8:01 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

@gorgan

Okay, how many times, you trying to say foreman been on the canvas?
November 1, 2009 9:21 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

RA the Rugged Man was hating on Mayweather, on the radio. Paquio or Margarito, don't want it with Floyd. And Sugar Shane don't deserve a title shot against Floyd, But i would go ahead and fight him, to shut him up, after Floyd kick his ass.
November 1, 2009 9:41 AM
 

odoggz said:

That was an awesome writeup!  Floyd is really good, but I'm sure he will not want to tarnish his record, on paper, thus he fights the people he fights. His ego can't take loss, and he doesn't want all he ever worked for to be erased in 1 night of a loss, as people seem to do to good fighters all the time.  Floyd also is concerned with MONEY, but taking into consideration all the stuff said earlier, he will not put his ego on the line, against a much bigger pot of money, if the fighter is truly a threat.  He takes safe fights that net the most money.  Roy Jones JR used to do the same. Delahoya was a quick payday, so was Hatton and fan favorites at that.  Fighting Mexicans on Cinco de Mayo, walking into the ring with Mexican attire, pisses Mexicans off, and makes people remember his uncle Roger, the Mexican boxer killer. lol  Floyd is doing WWE villain-style tactics to gain spectators- being the N166a you love to hate. lol  People don't pack stadiums to watch him win, they want to see someone beat his ass.  People love to hate Floyd like people love to hate the Yankees, just by name you can make people mad for no reason at all. Floyd will have to let Cotto physically beat up on Pacquiao for 12 rounds (although Cotto IS going to lose), and then fight a worn-down Pacquiao, while Floyd rests his body up.  Many fighters have that strategy.
November 1, 2009 12:33 PM
 

gorgan said:

liquidswords95 said:
@gorgan

Okay, how many times, you trying to say foreman been on the canvas?

Gorgan said:

i count 4
November 1, 2009 3:23 PM
 

gorgan said:

@liquidswords95

Gorgan said:

you got to bear in mind this is the heavyweight division any man who weighs 15 and a half stone and heavier and is in reasonable shape HITS HARD

IF YOU GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPS

Jack Johnson
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Marciano
Tyson
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Frazier
George Foreman

they've all been on the deck not because of glass chins , but because there in the firing line of concussive punchers every fight

November 1, 2009 3:32 PM
 

SuperChrisbo said:

@ Liquidswords

How can you say someone is hating on anyone if they are just answering a question with an honest OPINION influenced by actual fact?!

Floyd has ducked Margarito to the point of retiring! Margarito offered the brotha 8 million to fight him ( the proof is on youtube ). Also, when Margarito defeated Cotto it was mandatory for Mayweather to fight Antonio, but, we all know what hapen, the p***y retired until Shane stopped Margarito. thus, Floyd had an incentive to come out of retirement. He would no longer have to fight Margarito and he could avoid Shane with an excuse ( which is valed to a degree).

November 1, 2009 4:13 PM
 

Narcist-Prince said:

Yo Liquid you sound like a fucking fool ... get off Floyd's d**k. He won't fight nobody ... wouldn't fight Cotto , wouldn't fight Margarito , WONT fight Shane , WONT fight Paul Williams ... s**the won't even fucking fight Pacman. Floyd COULD beat all of them but he could also get his ass whipped but you wont ever know cuz he's more concerned with making money than making the fights that the fans want to see ... that makes him a business man not a boxer and makes you a fucking fool for riding his d**k cuz he don't give a f**k about you or the sport of boxing. He'll just keep fighting De La Hoya again , Hatton , Gatti , or any other fucking stiff he's stepped in the ring with to make his bread.
November 1, 2009 7:18 PM
 

Narcist-Prince said:

Shane Mosley doesn't deserve a shot ? He knocked Margarito ass out after beating the brakes off him for the entire fight , he fought Cotto in a fight me and about 100% of the motherfuckers who watched the fight think he either won , it was a draw or he barely loses ... on top of that Cotto don't want a rematch because he knows whats up. If Floyd is this world beater than why isn't he gonna fight these dudes ... and don't tell me cuz they don't want the fight because if he fights Margarito/Cotto/Mosley/Pacman everybody is gonna get paid. Floyd fought Carlos Baldomir who had 11 losses on his record and he won't fight Shane because he lost to Vernon Forrest a multiple time world champion who was physically bigger than him and Winky Wright who also was a multiple time world champion who was bigger ... Floyd is a p***y.

R.A. the Rugged Man was right and he's not hating he's telling the truth. He's got a right to be mad he loves boxing ... and whats wrong with boxing is motherfuckers like Floyd Money Mayweather won't fight nobody. Sugar Ray Leonard is better than Mayweather , Marvelous Marvin Hagler is better than Mayweather, Ali , Pryor , Arguello , Ray Robinson , Duran.
November 1, 2009 7:27 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

 
@Narcist-Prince

Shut the f**k up, cause i can see you have no knowledge, on what you is talking about.
November 1, 2009 7:46 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

 
@Narcist-Prince

You talking all that shit. I will knock your b***h ass out. You a boxing fan and can't fight. The only thing i agree with what you said, is Floyd ain't better than Hagler, that's common sense. Hagler is the best Middleweight in the history of boxing, in my opinion. You talking I'm riding Floyd d**k, say that s**tto my face, you will get knocked the f**k out,  and that's real.
November 1, 2009 7:57 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:

 
@Narcist-Prince

And it should be about the money, these white folks making the majority of the money off your fights, you the one taking the punishment, so why not get compensated for it, Them white folks making all the cash and they ain't taking no punishment. Floyd is doing the right thing, more black boxers need to view it like that, cause it is a business. So what you saying holds no merit, you don't know what you talking about.
November 1, 2009 8:11 PM
 

BigDickSwangin said:

lmao @ liquidswords
you mad? XD damn man you dont have to start some e beef ahaha

anyways I agree with RA

Floyd needs to fight Mosley

Thats my hometown hero and I think he got a good chance of knockin Mayweather out
November 2, 2009 12:41 AM
 

PurpleHaze559 said:

~I've Been A Boxing Head My Whole Life, You Can Tell Boxing Has Changed Alot Over The Years, Remember When The HeavyWeight Division Was The Best Division Years Back... Take Nothing Away From The Klitchsko's But Damn The Division Hasn't Really Been Poppin Since Lennox Lewis Retired... But Hey My Niggga Holyfield Still Fightin To This Day... LoL... That's How Sad The Division Is Right Now... Tyson Was My Niggga, But To Be Honest I Was More Of A Holyfield Fan Back In The Day, That Niggga's Heart Was Untouchable On Some Real Shitt & I Was A Big Lennox Fan Early In His Career, He Was A Beast With The Hands... Okay Enough Of That, It Seems Like Berto & Mosley Gonna Get It On At Some Point, Shane Gonna Sleep This Niggga Somethin Terrible 2... Also, I Think Pac Man Gonna Son Cotto, In My Opinion Cotto Shouldn't Even Be Fighting Pac Man Because Clottey Beat The Shitt Outta Cotto & Got Robbed On The Cards, Every Boxing Head Knows Cotto Didn't Win That Damn Fight... As For The Dream Fight, Foreman Vs Tyson... This Fight Was Going To Happen, But I Did Hear Tyson Was A Little Shook To Fight George, Remember Years Later Down The Road, Foreman Became The Oldest HeavyWeight Champion After Knocking Out Michael Moore, That Just Proves George Was Still Dangerous No Matter How Much Younger Tyson Or Anyone Else Was, And Another Thing Foreman's Chin & His Peek A Boo Close Arms Defense Was Crazy... This Is One Of The Toughest Fights To Call, But I Would Have To Go With Foreman By Late Knockout... I Favor His Conditioning & His One-Two (Jab/Big Right Hand), That Was Always The Formula To Battle A Raging Bull Like Tyson... Lastly, I've Been Saying For Years & I Agree With Some On This Board That Money May Only Likes Fighting Nigggas That Are Naturally Smaller Than He Is... @ Mayweather C'mon Son Your In The WelterWeight Division Last Time I Checked, Fight The Nigggas That Are Equally As Big As Your Damn Self, Don't Get It Twisted I Think Mayweather Is A Tremendous Talent No Doubt, But Wouldn't It Be Great For Him To Use That Talent On Nigggas His Own Size... C'mon Sons...~
~@Liquid: What's Wit It My Niggga, I See Alot Of Nigggas Comin At You, Even Though I Disagree With You, You Know You Still My Niggga... I Do Wanna See Mayweather Vs Mosley Get It On, For Years I've Been Waiting For That Fight, Not Because Of The Post Fight Drama After The Marquez Fight, When Mosley Was In Front Of Mayweather He Made His Ass Look Like A Kid, I Strongly Believe Mosley Has His # My Niggga, And Apparantly So Does Mayweather... Hopefully It Happens, Because If It Doesn't... It's Always & I Mean Always Going To Be A Dark Cloud Over Mayweather, For Not Making It Happen... People Want To See It Happen My Dude, Every Great Fighter Is Defined By Another Great Fighter, And I Think That Is The Fight That Mayweather Needs... Look At It This Way, Mosley Fought Everybody... You Name It, He's Fought The Best For Years Over Years, Mayweather Hasn't & I Mean Hasn't Done That... Thats The Difference Between Them, Then You Got Those Out There Like Mosley's Old... Okay He's Old, But Currently He's The #1 WelterWeight Ring Champion... I Just Hope It Happens...~
November 2, 2009 1:37 AM
 

flyest1 said:

If Shane fought everyone on Floyd's resume the same times Floyd did. Shane would be 40-0 (40's) Shane would have beat that version of Hoya easily. Would've knocked out marquez easily, and would've stopped Castillo.

If Floyd fought everyone one on Shane"s resume. He would have problems against Forrest, Winky, and even those version of Hoya that Shane fought. s**tVargas the first time would've been problems for Floyd.

I hope everyone can agree with that
November 2, 2009 2:02 AM
 

K-dub 818 said:

@ SuperChrisbo

That's not true that Mayweather had a mandatory fight against MargaCHEATO!!! Floyd retired instead of having a rematch with De La Hoya, which was Mayweather's next scheduled fight, and I doubt many people would have wanted to see anyway.

I feel that Floyd will fight the winner of Pacquaio-Cotto, especially if the Pacman wins. Everybody wants to see that fight, and the money would be TOO BIG FOR ANY FIGHTER TO RESIST!!! However, I think Cotto wins that fight. Pacquiao does have boxing skills, but he is a brawler first and foremost and will probably will resort to that style. Plus he is a headhunter. Cotto is also a brawler, but he bangs to the body and that will wear out Pacquiao in the later rounds. I think that Mayweather will win regardless, he either retires, or fights Mosley.

@BigDickSwanging

I'm from the L.A. area as well. I don't think that Shane would beat Mayweather, but he would probably have the best chance to beat him. Both are probably even in foot speed, which means that Mosley could probably close that gap that Mayweather enjoys against most of his slower opponents. Floyd definitely has the faster hand speed, but not by much. Mosley has the edge in power, Mayweather in accuracy. All of that makes for an interesting matchup. However, I believe that Mayweather will be able to adjust to Mosley's style, which would lead him to victory.

Ra is wrong for dissin' Mayweather for not fighting Paul Williams. NOBODY wants to fight PAUL WILLIAMS!!! Reason is his awkwardness. He has the reach of a heavyweight. fights will on the inside despite being so tall, and they don't call him the "Punisher" FOR NOTHIN'!!! Mosley could have faced him, but decided not to. Makes sense since Mosley has always had problems with taller fighters. He lost both times he fought Vernon Forrest(R.I.P.) and Winky Wright. Mosley instead wants to fight Berto. Berto's a good fighter, but he will be easy pickings against a fighter of Mosley's caliber. Plus, I think that staph infection Kelly Pavlik allegedly had was a little suspect. I thought they were supposed to fight in November, and that's when the staph infection happened, then they moved the date to December 5th. Now that fight has been canceled. Williams is still fighting on that date, but his opponent is TBA. To me, its pretty obvious that Paul Williams is the new WINKY WRIGHT!!!
November 2, 2009 4:41 AM
 

K-dub 818 said:

Oh, I forgot. about something. Mike Tyson would have lost against George Foreman in their prime. Foreman always did do well against shorter fighters. Foreman was one of the Feared Heavyweight boxers of his time. That fight probably goes into the later rounds, and Tyson gets knocked out. Tyson was not the same fighter after the 1st five rounds. Not to mention, WHO HAS TYSON BEAT?! Any NOTABLE NAMES?!

And how can MargaCHEATO call out COTTO?! Who knows how long Margarito has been cheating?! Plus, the California Athletic Commission didn't catch Margarito trying to cheat. Nazeem Richardson DID!!! Hopkin's people know WHAT'S UP!!! They also made sure that Felix Trinidad had no unfair advantage when he fought Hopkins. After that, Trinidad was never the power puncher he once was.
November 2, 2009 4:52 AM
 

Narcist-Prince said:

Yo why you mad cuz I'm styling on you ? First and foremost n***a I don't scare easy and if and thats a big if you could beat me in a fist fight what does that fucking mean ? Does that mean Floyd is god and I should suck his d**k like you do ? You're a fan of the sport and he just said in an interview that he don't give a f**k and that your opinion dont pay bills ... he not giving you any money so f**k are you talking about ? You a hoe ass n***a cuz he's telling you f**k you and you still giving him your money. He's a great business man and I said that ... but he's not paying me so I don't give a f**k about the business of boxing ... I'm a fan I watch the fights so I care about the sport of boxing.

Anybody can be beat ... if you a true fan of the sport you know that nobody( Floyd included ) is invincible ... look at his fight with Castillo for the proof. Castillo should have won that fight and he did it by applying constant pressure cutting the ring off and forcing Mayweather to stand and trade with him and thats the exact reason he would never fight Margarito because he'd walk him down, cut off the ring and beat him up physically for 12 rounds. Same strategy Cotto would apply the way he did to Judah. He won't fight those guys because styles makes fights and they're both tailor made to beat him or at least test him in ways he hasn't been.

If Floyd Mayweather Jr is the kind of marquee attraction or brand he thinks he is that it doesn't matter who he's fighting. He should stop making excuses , stop handpicking guys he knows he can beat and fight the best guys in his weight class. Fight Shane Mosley , Fight Miguel Cotto , Fight Antonio Margarito , Fight Pacquiao. Those are the best guys at 154 and instead of ducking them he should be trying to prove himself by beating them ... thats the difference between him and Ray Leonard , Marvin Hagler , Julio Ceasar Chavez, Pernell Whitaker,  Bernard Hopkins , Shane Mosley ... guys who loved the sport of boxing. Mayweather only loves the money and he'll make plenty but when its all said and done nobody wont give a f**k about him because he didn't  give the fans the fights they're gonna remember unless beating a washed up De La Hoya ( by split decision ) , Sharmba Mitchell , Carlos Baldomir , Arturo Gatti  , Zab Judah , Ricky Hatton ( at 147 not 140 ) count as great fights.
November 2, 2009 2:59 PM
 

SuperChrisbo said:

@ K-dub

Yeah Mayweather was probably going to rematch Oscar but, Margarito was the welter weight champ. Thus Mayweather would've had to fight Margarito and take his title to unify the division.

Also what do u call Trinidad, Mosley, Chavez, Aaron Pryor, Roberto Duran and cocain sniffing Ray leonard? Its speculations that they cheated.
November 2, 2009 9:14 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:


@Narcist-Prince

Like i said f**k you. You just a broke ass hater, with no money.
November 2, 2009 11:04 PM
 

liquidswords95 said:


@Narcist-Prince

You don't have to be scared to get knocked out.
November 2, 2009 11:07 PM
 

Speculative said:

@   liquidswords95

I know what you're saying about Foreman's chin but for me Killer Mike was the hardest, most ruthless boxed ever to step in.
He was almost possessed!

Foreman would go down is Mike had caught him flush or with a flurry.
November 3, 2009 8:44 AM
 

Allahschild said:

FYI everyone I'm working on getting Mosley on here to address Mayweather and Berto's comments about him.

Ismael AbduSalaam
November 3, 2009 9:13 AM
 

MCGeek1 said:

That Pacquiao vs. Cotto fight is going to be a good fight!

Can' t wait to see that one!
November 3, 2009 9:39 AM
 

MCGeek1 said:

That Pacquiao vs. Cotto fight is going to be a good fight!

Can' t wait to see that one!
November 3, 2009 9:39 AM
 

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November 3, 2009 5:23 PM
 

Narcist-Prince said:

@liquidhomo

and you don't gotta be hard to make threats over the net you fucking f***ot
November 3, 2009 11:42 PM
 

Narcist-Prince said:

n***a if you don't sit yo dumb country ass down ... you don't like what I got to say about Mayweather make a valid point ... you can't make one because what i speak is the truth ... why you give a f**k if he making millions you his son or something ? I make a point and its oh you broke or its oh you don't know what you talking bout ... i love it when a stupid motherf**ker have a mental break down because he can't match you intellectually and then has to resort to name calling or threats ....I'm not a sucker so all that tough talk you can save it and as for me being broke n***a I probably gross more than you make annually ya dig ?
November 3, 2009 11:54 PM
 

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K-dub 818 said:

@ SuperChrisbo

Hey, I called out Trinidad. There was always speculation about his hand wraps and Hopkins' people made sure it was gonna be all fair when they made that fight. Mosley said that he unknowingly took performance-enhancing drugs, and that's hard to believe. However, I actually thought De La Hoya won the rematch vs. Sugar Shane. Chavez? U mean Julio Cesar Chavez?! Never heard any cheating allegations against him. He got that bulls**t stoppage against Medrick Taylor, but that's about it. I didn't know about Aaron Pryor until I saw that documentary on HBO. I never heard anything about Duran either. Leonard got some questionable decisions, especially the one against Hagler. However, sniffing cocaine doesn't enhance your performance, does exactly the opposite.
November 11, 2009 5:14 AM
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