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Nas Concert In Canada Canceled Over Lyrics According To Students 
Published Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:02 PM
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By Chris Richburg

A Rock the Vote concert featuring rapper Nas has come under fire amid controversy pertaining to where the show will be held.

 

CBC News reports that the concert was scheduled to take place Oct. 1 at the Ottawa Congress Centre in Canada.

 

However, student groups at Carleton University and the University of Ottawa were told two weeks after confirming Nas’s appearance at the centre that they would not be able to use the venue.

 

According to Isaac Cockburn, vice-president of student issues for the Carleton University Students' Association, he was told by the centre’s vice president of food and beverage, Peter Seguin, that the centre has a policy banning Hip-Hop and rap.

 

"He in fact said that he'd had over 200 requests for Hip-Hop shows that he's turned down over the past couple of years," Cockburn told CBC. "He said that it was an increased security risk and that it was a vulnerability that the Congress Centre was not willing to take on."

 

The purpose of the Rock the Vote show is to encourage concertgoers to vote in an Oct. 10 election in Ontario.

 

In light of discussions that took place with the venue since July, Cockburn said the students were surprised by the centre’s decision to not hold the show and added that preliminary arrangements for security, lighting and sound were also made.

 

Although they were told that their choice of musical act had to be cleared with the centre, Cockburn stated the students didn’t think they would have any problems with having Nas, since a hard rock band had played at the centre last September.

 

Nevertheless, the group said they were told that the rapper was the reason why they could not use the venue.

 

On Monday (Aug. 27), the students received a phone call from the centre's vice-president of client services, Paul Keogh, who said the problem did not stem from the internal policy.

 

Instead, Cockburn said, Keogh told the group that Nas' lyrics promote gun violence.

 

The group voiced their disappointment to the centre's president and Tourism Minister Jim Bradley, stating that the policy was culturally insensitive.

 

Neither Seguin nor Keogh were available for comment, said Lynne Martichenko, a spokeswoman for the centre who disputed the students’ claims as she denied that the problem did not lie with Nas or rap music.

 

According to her, the centre is designed for meetings, trade shows and conventions.

 

The type of event that the students want to have is not suitable for the congress centre room they tried to book, which has new carpets and chandeliers, Martichenko told the CBC, adding that the centre had not signed any contract with the students.

 

Rock the Vote organizers are currently looking for another place to hold the concert since it would be hard to find another act to perform, said Cockburn.

 

The Ottawa show is the latest setback for Nas, who experienced a similar situation recently after being booked to perform at "A Concert For Virginia Tech," along with John Mayer, Phil Vassar and The Dave Matthews Band.

 

The event, which is slated to take place Sept. 6, was created as a way to for the University and the surrounding community to move forward in the wake of an April 16 shooting that left 32 people dead and 15 others wounded at the school.

 

Despite complaints from the families of some of the shooting victims about Nas’ lyrics, university officials decided to go ahead with the show.

 


Comments

 

Ol_Skool_K said:

What's wrong with this picture:

The students didn’t think they would have any problems with having Nas, since a hard rock band had played at the centre last September.

Lynne Martichenko, a spokeswoman for the centre who disputed the students’ claims as she denied that the problem did not lie with Nas or rap music. According to her, the centre is designed for meetings, trade shows and conventions.

I guess rock bands don't play music now, instead they go on stage and have a meeting... GTFOH
August 29, 2007 10:35 PM
 

rush what said:

1st bitches. Game and Nas best hip-hop duo right now. Nas has trained him so well. Them stoping from doin hip-hop shows is wack. Canada needs some good music. Nas is an uplifting MC not negative so take his prespective and quit hating and open your ears you  old canuck. Nas is to intelligent for them. one love. one blood.
August 29, 2007 10:35 PM
 

MAK™ said:

damn that sucks for good ol' Canada...

CANADA CAN VIEW THIS NEW JOINT ON HERE BY NAS ft. LUDA

http://myspace.com/crackproductions

-mak-


August 29, 2007 10:35 PM
 

illseed said:

nas needs to come to allhiphop week...we got ya back!
August 29, 2007 11:16 PM
 

MAK™ said:

illseed i have questions for you to ask him for me...

-mak-
August 29, 2007 11:40 PM
 

FlyBoi Wiggie P said:

damn Bill O'Reilly fuckin Nas up!
August 29, 2007 11:46 PM
 

BigSlimFL said:

This is just retarded. BLAME CANADA! I bet if their beloved shania twain or bryan adams wanted to play there, they would have no problem with it. Hockey loving bastards.
August 29, 2007 11:53 PM
 

Darnell004 said:

FOH with that. I think if Justin Timberlake was the one performing this would not be an issue. Damn they trying to shut rap down but it going to happen.
August 30, 2007 12:32 AM
 

Proklame said:

BIG SLIM you stupid as fuck, only reason shania and bryan are known are b/c americans bought there albums....inbred fuck...bet you couldnt even point out canada wit a map infront of you.............get educated or get tha fuck out clown
August 30, 2007 1:33 AM
 

wooohah said:

As a former concert producer I can tell you straight up that many venues are against hosting hip-hop acts due to the "unrulies" and "gangstas" that attend. Yet these same venues will host Rage Against the Machine and Korn and watch people set trash cans on fire and riot. I'm not saying it's a race thing...I'm just saying their are stereotypes to hip-hop that are reminiscent of Segregation.

http://www.wooohah.com
Where celebrity goes hip-hop
August 30, 2007 1:39 AM
 

Swiffness™ said:

Ask anybody who does concert security what artist has the WORST, WILDEST, and ROWDIEST shows out there. You know what they'll answer?


Jimmy f'n Buffet.

Seriously.
August 30, 2007 1:39 AM
 

DSheezy said:

FUCK CANADA!!! THEY HAVE RIOTS OVER A HOCKEY GAME AND  JUNKIES SHOOTIN UP IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AND THEY GOT THE NERVE TO STOP A STR8 UP DUDE LIKE NAS FROM MOVIN THE CROWD. I'VE HEARD A FEW CANADIAN RAPPERS AND I GOT 2 WORDS-BOO!BOO!. THEY SHOULD'VE LET NAS DO HIS THING JUST TO HEAR REAL MC SPIT. THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT CANADA IS THAT WHEN THE HOES SPOT A NEW NI99A THEY ON YOU LIKE DOGS ON A STEAK.
August 30, 2007 1:47 AM
 

mikeclassic said:

its pretty backwards when a Nas, a rapper who prommotes betetr living for people, is being denied concerts due the fact he mentions gun violence. Now i just used the phrase "gun violence". It doesnt mean i am promoting it. If u cant tell the truth about real life then what can u say? We are fighting a war with guns, why not ban the news cuz they mention gun violence in war or report a local shooting.  ANs doesnt promote gun violence, he promotes seeking the truth and living a better life.
August 30, 2007 2:07 AM
 

Style Sharpton said:

fuckin MR. MURDOCH AND HIS SEXUAL DEVIANT GOON BILL O'RILEY!!!!!  SOMEBODY NEED TO PULL THE COVER OFF THESE NEO-CONS OR PULL THE COVER OVER!!!! LOL

SHARP!
August 30, 2007 2:08 AM
 

Style Sharpton said:

fuckin MR. MURDOCH AND HIS SEXUAL DEVIANT GOON BILL O'RILEY!!!!!  SOMEBODY NEED TO PULL THE COVER OFF THESE NEO-CONS OR PULL THE COVER OVER!!!! LOL

SHARP!
August 30, 2007 2:08 AM
 

DwayneTheDreamPsychic said:

All around the owrld, one by one they are blocking and hating on HIP-HOP ARTIST!

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Lets all go down the the jail and protest or call JESSE JACKSON and Al Sharpton.  Im sure they will help out a 3 month pregnant Black Woman from being in Solitary Confinement.

THEY COULD BE DOING ANYTHING TO HE IN THERE!!!

SHE IS ONE OF US AND SHE REPRESENTS HIP-HOP...

August 30, 2007 3:51 AM
 

Rah-the-God_ahh said:

damn they really are going to try to make us censor ourselves huh?  oh well fuck it you win some you loose some I guess, nas has a hand full of record that have shit to do with guns or violence WTF?
August 30, 2007 3:55 AM
 

SYDsTeeZ said:

Isacc COCKBURN Ha fuck the article thats fukin funny ish
August 30, 2007 4:06 AM
 

LIL WAYNE SUED FOR A MILLION BUCKS said:

August 30, 2007 4:15 AM
 

SYDsTeeZ said:

I know ppl been tryin to ban gangsta rap 4 eva but eva since 50 blew up crazy all ova the world he is now a fukin household name and he claims hes hip hop not gangsta rap. So when ur average white or black uninformed about hip hop oldie hears the word hip hop all they know is that theyre told every day 50 cent is HIP HOP theres ur answer.

As 4 gun violence in lyrics, hip hop is about rhyming about life and ur surroundings im from Australia and from what ive read and seen in docos on the hood the US has serious problems. In Aus weve nothin at all like it, at the supermarket if u look under 23 u have to show id to buy a cigarette lighter and u guys sell guns at wall mart. We need a gun licence and a background check just 4 a replica and all forms of bb guns r completley illegal aswell as heavy duty sling shots. If u wanna fuck som1 up here u gotta use ur fist a machette or a trusty cricket bat.
August 30, 2007 4:49 AM
 

Mos High Films said:

All I have to say is, this is nothing new. We need to continue to get our funds together a get our own venues, so we dont always have to rely on people. This is from small things to large arena's. I'm from Toronto where black people do not own many things other than there house,Beauty Salon or restaurant. We need to diversify ourselves and own more properties/buildings etc. Anyways check out my man King Avalanche. He made the final 20 in 50 cents competition. He is the only MC from Toronto in final 20. His video is " Breakaway" check it if like then vote for it.

http://www.youtube.com/contest/ontherisevote?v=49TUK6duLkI&from=watch

May Jah guide and protect us!! Have a blessed day
August 30, 2007 7:54 AM
 

baltimoreson3000 said:

so does this mean Kardinal Offishal can't do shows in his own damn country?
August 30, 2007 9:03 AM
 

King High Pimpn said:

they act like Nas a killa, if they did they research i'm sure they'll see the nicca Nas soft az a new babys azz
August 30, 2007 9:15 AM
 

bvicious said:

that shtis fucked up, so they say nas promotes gun violence? and rockers dont promote..drugs?sex?guns? and the same shit as sum rappers? stupid cock burn./

-i am canadian
August 30, 2007 9:55 AM
 

BigSlimFL said:

prokLAME is avril lavigne defending her motherland. So some americans bought those albums, but america also bought yung joc's album, so that's not saying much. AND you're honestly telling me that IF shania twain or bryan adams wanted to play that venue they would be turned down? or how about Barenaked Ladies, or Celine Dion, or KD Lang, or Lighthouse, or The Matthew Good band, or Men without hats, or Nelly furtado, or nickelback, or rush, or sarah mclaughlin, or sum 41? Meanwhile if kardinal official or even (throwback) Snow wanted to perform they would turn them down. SIT DOWN prokLAME
August 30, 2007 9:56 AM
 

Metropolis Gold_ahh said:

Shakes head im dissapointment.

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August 30, 2007 10:12 AM
 

zino_the_great said:

i live in toronto ontario. for you americans thats in canada which is the country above you, assuming you know where you are and what above means. in the past five years there have been several shootings outside of hiphop venues in toronto, 2 of them were fatal. everyone who listens to hiphop knows that the culture promotes acting hard, not backing down, and violence. now with the cost of insurance and everyone suing each other for nothing do you honestly think anyone with a brain would allow a hiphop venue, that would provide a small profit, to take place in their facility knowing it could cost them millions if something were to happen. its not about censorship, its not about race, its not about music, its about money. if you were an insurance company would you put a million dollars on the line that nothing would happen at a nas concert or a bryan adams concert?
August 30, 2007 10:51 AM
 

Nas Rocks A Rock The Vote Concert / Stereohyped said:

August 30, 2007 11:01 AM
 

BigSlimFL said:

@ zino_the_great

Like Ol_Skool said they had a hard rock band play there last year..Hard rock bands entice mosh pits which is a clearing in the standing area for people to jump around, slam in to each other, and from ones I've personally seen, hit each other. That's battery, assault any way you want to put it. If the venue does SECURITY they wont have any problems.
August 30, 2007 11:58 AM
 

Nisa said:

It's crazy that Nas is being persecuted for his lyrics! We all know that he has always made an effort to balance the reality of street life with knowledge of self and morality...

... I feel sorry for his fans because I know how rarely he comes up to Canada to perform...I just hope they don't try this sh*t in T.O!
August 30, 2007 12:02 PM
 

black maybe said:

i seriously don't understand all this hate for hiphop cos everybody(hiphop fans or not) use profanity and have guns way back before hipohp started. i'm begining to believe that all this hating on hiphop is because majority of these hiphop stars are black people and they are just being racism. it's a shame how they trying to look for excuse to cancel the show. SMH

Peace!

August 30, 2007 12:19 PM
 

tprov said:

Don't blame Canada...blame white ppl...
August 30, 2007 12:36 PM
 

son of zaire said:

LOL @tprov...
For the record..Nas is not banned from canada..they just won't let him perform at the ottawa congress centre for their own reasons. It's open season on hip hop....and i am not surprised. They should just get another venue and do the damn thing
August 30, 2007 1:15 PM
 

Northern Fist said:

Nas' lyrics promote gun violence? Guess I listen to a different Nas.
What's funny is the use of 'Canada' so prominently in the headlines and the comments! We're losing focus on that one. The same shit is goin' down all over the world and in the U.S. Canada is a big country and like other countries we have our share of ignorant people. People that miss the point in hip hop and only hear what they deem to be negative language.  They should move the venue and stop supporting people who have biased opinions without just cause.

-Canadians for Nas
August 30, 2007 1:15 PM
 

LA_aka_SoundTrak said:

Come da f**k on!  I saw that sh1t on the O'Reilly show and peoples are crazy.  They take take a few songs from dudes 9 cd catalog that talk about gun play and he's called a " Gangsta Rapper ".  Dude was nominated for a song (I Can) that promoted education for kids and he called a " Gangsta Rapper ".  That's what happens when a elderly white dude who never listens to hip hop speaks on something he has know idea about.  He couldn't even say dudes name correctly.  Then he had the nerve to bring up Nas's gun charge like that helped his case any.  In that case I guess we all can call Queen Latifah a " Gangsta Rapper " huh?  

August 30, 2007 1:43 PM
 

LA_aka_SoundTrak said:

@ King High Pimpn

Oh yeah I forgot.  Nas might not talk about da gun play or slangin' as much as da next dude but I don't think that makes him soft as a baby's a$$.  I never shot a dude but I broke quite a few backs in my day and I'm far from being Baby Booty Soft.

(that picture that's posted w/ your comments looks quite soft though, lol)
August 30, 2007 1:47 PM
 

Smallaxe said:

Concerts dont get banned in the states?  What did the Canada do? lol, y are some Americans mad at all of Canada, lol, thats the tyoe of attitude that make a nigga say fuck the west coast or fuck the east coast cause two ppl from one ah those areas is being an asshole.  Yo man dem, dont diss Canada, use ur likkle brains and figure out where the hate is coming from... idiots... ill leave the rest to ur retarded imaginations... big up Toronto and Edmonton all day...i invite the ignorant Americans to visit one of our primary cities and gwan like we soft...come!
August 30, 2007 2:50 PM
 

macadoshis11 said:

@ zino_the_great said:
I know it's about money. It's also about politics, but what you said was disrespectful and ignorant. First of all, since you live in Canada, you are also an American since you live in North America so don't talk down to the United States like that (you can talk about George Bush, though. He fucked us over). Also, the Hip-Hop culture doesn't promote violence and acting hard. The media promotes rappers that promote that shit. If you know your history, the Hip-Hop culture was about survival and knowledge. It seems like there's a war against Hip-Hop when ignorant fucks who have no idea of what it really is try to tell people what it is and condemn it because they don't understand it.
August 30, 2007 5:57 PM
 

macadoshis11 said:

@ zino_the_great said:
I know it's about money. It's also about politics, but what you said was disrespectful and ignorant. First of all, since you live in Canada, you are also an American since you live in North America so don't talk down to the United States like that (you can talk about George Bush, though. He fucked us over). Also, the Hip-Hop culture doesn't promote violence and acting hard. The media promotes rappers that promote that shit. If you know your history, the Hip-Hop culture was about survival and knowledge. It seems like there's a war against Hip-Hop when ignorant fucks who have no idea of what it really is try to tell people what it is and condemn it because they don't understand it.
August 30, 2007 5:57 PM
 

TWON THE DON said:

WHITE FOLKS! NIGGAS U C WHAT HAPPEN THE LAST TIME WE TRUSTED THEM. WE AINT BEEN BACK TO AFRICA YET.
August 30, 2007 6:54 PM
 

LTBROWN said:

@TWON THE DON said:
WHITE FOLKS! NIGGAS U C WHAT HAPPEN THE LAST TIME WE TRUSTED THEM. WE AINT BEEN BACK TO AFRICA YET.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

LMAO GOOD POINT.

THE WAR IS ON MY PEOPLE! I TOLD YOU THESE STORIES ARE COMING WEEKLY, SO GET THE FUCK UP AND DO SOMETHING BESIDES TALKING SHIT ON THE BB.
August 30, 2007 7:30 PM
 

Proklame said:

big slim, first of all since when has kardi used entising words to cause any controversy???? never, second of all kardi aint shit... all you make reference to is barenaked ladies and a bunch of pop groups wheres the similarities between these groups and nas ???come on your stepping in your own shit, now if you know history which im emphasing IF you would know we dont shut down politcal speakers, or anyone of any significance, we embrace them, not like america.....so for you to speak like you know what ur talking about especially when it aint even in your own country is ignorant.....do you research...SIT DOWN
August 30, 2007 8:48 PM
 

Proklame said:

and yes we're AMERICAN but its not our nationalality...we're canadian...fuck whats the average grade completed down there??? 3 or 4?
August 30, 2007 8:50 PM
 

zino_the_great said:

everyone and their grandmother is an expert on hiphop these days: macadoshis11 said: "If you know your history, the Hip-Hop culture was about survival and knowledge" i didnt realize you were a founding member.
 TWON THE DON said:
WHITE FOLKS! NIGGAS U C WHAT HAPPEN THE LAST TIME WE TRUSTED THEM. WE AINT BEEN BACK TO AFRICA YET . i love how twon the don has a picture of al capone beside this statement. not only is al white but italian gangsters have nothing but contempt for black people and many hiphop artist worship these guys.
and as far as my negative comments about the US. i was only retaliating to previous comments about canada. apprently 1 in 5 americans cant locate the US on a map according to a question posed to a miss usa contestant. that would mean close to 100 million americans dont know where they are in the world. you guys have bigger issues then weather or not a venue in ottawa wants nas to perform.
August 30, 2007 9:07 PM
 

TWON THE DON said:

@ZINO FUNNY HOW I WILL SLAP THE SHIT OUTOF U.
WHERE U FROM? I C YO SMART ASS LEFT OUT I GOT MONEY IN MY POCKET, THEM WHITE PEOPLE FELT THE SAME WAY AL DID. SO NOW WHAT ZINO? YOU KNOW GOT DAMN WELL YO MOMMA AINT GIVE YOU THAT NAME. NIGGA YO NAME IS PAUL OR JIMMY,STAN SOME LAME SHIT. STAY IN YO PLACE JIMMY! DONT FUCK WITH THE DON! TWON OR AL. YOUNG BITCH!
August 30, 2007 9:42 PM
 

BADBOY704 said:

????/  NAS  CANT  GET  A  BREAK
August 30, 2007 11:03 PM
 

dOLOSTIMULUS said:

these hoes scared of us! they trying to weed us out, but whats so bugged about it, is that u still can get beat the fuk down at any concert rock, rap whatever. i see a trend forming!
August 31, 2007 1:55 AM
 

macadoshis11 said:

Hmmm... How ironic how you make smart remarks about me trying to consider myself a Hip-Hop expert when you make unfair and ignorant judgments. I'm not a founding member or an expert. I just know more about it than you do, and I do my research and get my facts straight before I say shit on the Internet. It's true that the USA has issues, but you were generalizing. You didn't call out the 20% of us that are ignorant. You called us in general. This is bigger than Hip-Hop, the world doesn't take the United States seriously
August 31, 2007 4:11 AM
 

zino_the_great said:

macadoshis11, born in 1988. i was DJ'ing hiphop when you were 5. i spun the pioneers, grandmaster flash, spoony g, melly mel, BDK. i opened for mad lion and sold mix tapes before they were "mix tapes". i watched the east fall to the west and the west fall to the south and master P start the decline of intelligent hiphop. you make a statement about knowing more then i do when you have no idea who i am and then you scold me for generalizing. little ironic, you think.
and then you generalize about what hiphop was about, "knowledge and survival", because you did research.
if you read the source hiphop guide 101 founding members claim hiphop was started by dj's who would ryhme to promote upcoming parties. i think ill take their word over yours.
and as far as hiphop and violence. read what twon the don has to say. first he calls out white people, im not sure why, and then he threatens me with violence in a statement that makes little to no sense which leads me to believe he is apart of the 20% you mentioned. this is very common with people who listen to hiphop. white and black fans alike.
and why is it that you blame the media for promoting violence in rap? it is so typical these days to blame everyone but yourself. does the media force artists to get in the studio and talk about murdering people and selling drugs? and if the album doesn't sell the artist then blames the media for not promoting it. there is no accountability anymore. michael vick is a classic example, the mans property is a grave yard for murdered and tortured dogs. the FBI caught him, his friends and family, including his dad,  all admitted he had a major role in it and michael vick himself admitted to it. yet somehow its "the mans" fault and he shouldnt be punished.
i also believe canada has a large percentage of ignorant people as well but most US ignorant are also arogant which is why the rest of the world has so much contempt for all americans. and  im canadian, not american. if you travel the world there is a huge difference in the way you are treated if people think your from canada and not the US. we also dont turn our backs on the poor or start wars for profit. that having been said the intelligent liberal community in the USA are some of the best people on the planet.
August 31, 2007 12:37 PM
 

twenty12welve said:

You're kidding me.. whats wrong with the picture..

It's called .. "Lynne Martichenko, want some salt with that foot"

Do you REALLY think they would, after this fiasco publicly admit musical segregation? The place IS suited for tradeshows and the likes, but we're talking about a crowd of 5000 students here.. people who enjoy the occasional drink.. The venue would benifit monetary wise, which i'm sure they don't mind.

Ohhh ps.  http://www.ottawacongresscentre.com/facilities/congress.html

You'd have to be blind to see that they state on thier own site.. "concerts/entertainment"
August 31, 2007 12:39 PM
 

twenty12welve said:

BTW

tprov said:
Don't blame Canada...blame white ppl...

Could you be any more ignorant.. Townhall meeting ring a bell? Why dont you listen youtube it.. maybe you'll catch a glimpse of oprah and some other big wigs doggin on hip hop.
August 31, 2007 12:46 PM
 

macadoshis11 said:

Ok Zino. It is correct that emceeing started out promoting DJ's and parties, but that doesn't justify your generalization that they promote violence. Despite the parties, when Grandmaster Flash & the Furious 5 dropped the Message, Hip-Hop took a positive turn. You can have more experience than I, but what you said led me to believe that you didn't pay attention to the courses that Hip-Hop took. What Twon said was uncalled for, but don't let that determine your view on all Americans, because there's more intelligence than ignorance. It's just that ignorance is louder, and that's why the world sees us as dumb and arrogant. I don't completely single out the media, but they are the biggest mainstream source. Everyone's to blame one way or another. The people buy the nonsense. The media promotes it, and the artists continue to follow it because that's what sells, or that's what's hot now. I admit we made our beds with the whole bling bling and thug life thing. Also, some labels do force artists to crossover with little to no creative control, causing artists to change themselves under the fear of either getting dropped from the label, having their albums shelved or just not being in the mainstream anymore. Besides, as you can see people are blaming rap for everything. Michael Vick... I don't even know where to begin with him (I lost so much respect for him). It is true. I'm even disappointed in the United States for their ignorance and arrogance, but it is difficult to voice when suddenly almost anything can have you labeled as a terrorist. This nation plays the blame game for every problem there is, and it gives the intelligent liberals a bad representation because they are in this nation. But instead of just poking fun and complaining,  action should be taken. The only reason Bush hasn't been impeached yet is because... Honestly, I don't even know why he hasn't been impeached.
August 31, 2007 2:18 PM
 

twenty12welve said:

Money... it makes the world go round.. hence him not bein' impeached.. too many people at all levels of life all over the world have thier hand in his back pocket, whether it be donating or taking.

As for consumers selling out, and going along with the bling bling phase of hip hop.. it's true i guess. Not too many hiphoppers can say they strayed COMPLETELY away from it. Yes labels and exec are to blame, as well as artists, but nothing chnages until people or time says so. Everything in this world evolves.. people, music, food.. everything.. The route the hip hop industry took was self destructive and also forsee-able. I mean really.. lets paint a miniscule timeline here.. grand master flash.. mmmk.. run-dmc.. whoa mighty big chains there.. public enemy.. this feels good you know.. NWA ... whoa.. they went there.. ummm ok.. Juvinile.. yeaaa... back it up.... Diddy... god-d**n thats a shiney suit... Eminem.. * shakes head*.. you're kiddin me.. Three 6 Mafia.. them beats are hype... but thats alot of repeating...

Money changes people.. and so does fame. It depends on how you treat it though, and how people treat you as well. There is only so much .. " man hip hop is whack" people can say while others are buying "get that money" albums. In my humble opinion, the game will change.. in no time soon i might add, but it will. My guess is it'll take a Public Enemy sized action though, cause there aint enough Commons. Kweli's and Defs to make this right.
August 31, 2007 2:33 PM
 

zino_the_great said:

macadoshis11, intelligent and well spoken.  i do admit my shot was uncalled for but when i read someone calling my country garbage and our women sluts over the cancellation of a concert i get defensive.
as far as hiphop promoting violence, it didnt start out that way, of course. i was refering to the top selling artists of the past 15 years ie. eminem, snoop, 50, dre, ja rule, pac-big etc etc... all violent and certainly not for the impressionable young minds that buy the majority of their music.
furthermore, the reason rakim didn't finish the album dr dre was producing for him was because ra refused to comprimise his beliefs and gun/drug talk on the album which dre insisted upon. goes to show the media isnt the only one pressuring the artists.

the main reason i commented on this article was race related. i really hate the fact that everytime an issue arises invloving black people there is an immediate backlash aimed at white people. granted, the USA has a horrible track record with their treatment of blacks and it really does need a second look to see if there are any other motives at work. again, over generalizing is to blame. im white and ive done nothing but support and admire hiphop artists and athletes of african decent as long as i can remember. this is why is hurts me to see people aim hatred towards me because im white and a concert venue, that could in fact be run by a non white, has cancelled a concert involving a hiphop artist. of course hard rock concerts get out of hand but not to the extent hiphop venues do. thats not racism that is statistics and insurance works solely on stats.
from duke lacrosse players to OJ simpson, race has destroyed americas sense of right and wrong. and the worst part is the rest of the world is heavily influenced by everything american.
August 31, 2007 6:06 PM
 

macadoshis11 said:

zino_the_great, Understandable. When people who are in my demographics get called out, I'm also defensive, but I hate when people of my area or who share any sort of similarity to me makes an outrageous statement which gives everyone they represent a bad name. You're right, though. Hip-Hop now promotes violence, selling drugs, and disrespecting women. I miss the way it used to be, but I was born in the beginning of the Golden Era, so it was mostly a blur. Worst of all, it is aimed at kids. USA does have a bad track record for how people of color are treated. Ever heard of the Jena 6? It's some bs. What makes me really mad is that since black people were treated horribly, alot of them feel they have the right to lash out on any white man who approaches them. I'll admit, I've pulled the race card a few times, but now it's out of hand like you said. Everything happens because of race. what makes it worse is we as black people react with racism. We've lost our sense of identity. That's why Africans don't even respect us. Alot of us are ass backwards
August 31, 2007 6:35 PM
 

crooked wild said:

man theyre just saying that about nas, if 50 cent got in then nas deffinatelly should do the concert
August 31, 2007 8:33 PM
 

twenty12welve said:

There's a HUGE difference crooked...

1. 50 was on a tour
2. It was put together at the scotiabank place ( giant arena)
3. Nas show is put together by 2 student associations.
4. It has nothing to do with letting Nas IN.. and 50 being let in.. Nas is welcome to ottawa.. just not that place.. and not cause its him.. just cause the congress center says they aint want no rap acts.. which they then told media they actually just dont want live sows... but i call that foot in mouth syndrome.
August 31, 2007 8:46 PM
 

MONEYCHAMP95 said:

what do u mean fuck canada? its not like all of Canada is angainst Nas its this one jerk in this one venue. Fuck the U.S. there are so many Nas haters in his own country its unbeleavible. Nas has has been my favorite artist for years and im proud to be Canadian.
August 31, 2007 9:08 PM
 

zino_the_great said:

i hadn't heard about the jena 6 until now and it is absolutly disgusting.  
canada has racism but nothing to that extent. when i was a teenager i used to buy all my vinyl from the only place in canada you could get new york underground records called "play de record" downtown toronto. you could listen before you bought by taking your records to the dj at the back. there was a black dj who refused to play my records, he wouldn't even look at me, yet if anyone black walked up to him it was all love. he would reach around me and take their records. ive never felt worse, i cant even imagine what the jena 6 could be going through.
life is a mother...

all the best Mac.
August 31, 2007 10:34 PM
 

macadoshis11 said:

The Jena 6 had me pissed. What happened at the record store is a bad representation of black people. All that does is breed hatred. and hatred breeds violence. But you're right. Life is some bs.

Peace and respect zino
August 31, 2007 11:24 PM
 

jaynnas said:

Okay...first of all I never comment on sites but the way some of you are bashing Canada I had to say somethin. Nas is an ill mc, I know that, some of y'all know that regardless of where you live. I live in Canada and a lot of people here got love for Nas, he was here in Toronto twice in about five years and both times I was there and it was sick.(See XXl issue from July of this year, TI has the cover) What some of yall don't understand is that its all politics, everywhere you go people are not gonna always except Hip Hop artist because like someone was sayin its stereotype....like look what happened to homeboy recently with that McDonalds shit...perfect example...but noone sayin fuck America or nothing crazy like that...look at that Jena 6 shit going on, might not be the same, but it just shows that fucked up shit worse than what happened here with Nas, happens every damn day. What yall gotta realize is that these are old white people making these decisions....read the article carefully and you see that all the students wanted to see Nas. Its true what dude was sayin...gals do like a fresh new black youth...but thats not the only thing good bout Canada...we also got some killa weed yall might refer to it as kush...not to dumb down what i'm sayin there is also of course other good shit here but for most of yall this might be the most relevant...and by the way who gives a fuck bout Shania Twain and Bryan Adams...course they'll let those fools perform at any school...its like sayin they wouldn't let Madonna perform at some school event in the States if the bitch showed up. See I respect most of your opinions to some extent...but when its ignorant and I can tell whoever wrote it has no sense, then whatever...see I got fam in the States and I love y'all but Canada isn't to blame for some nonsense in Ottawa...we don't all play hockey and other fuckery by the way, there's some serious shit going on here...not everyone gonna like Nas...I might, you might, but...you know the rest. Just kinda fucked how people just read the article and assume this shit only happens in Canada, and we don't know good hip hop...like come on...how you gonna speak on shit you have no experience with...but by reading some of the comments on here it proves there's stupid people everywhere not just the stupid fucks I run into here in Canada...thanks for that.
September 1, 2007 12:11 AM
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