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Soul Pioneer Sues Various Rappers Over Sample 
Published Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:00
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By Nolan Strong

Rappers Will Smith, the estate of Tupac Shakur, KRS-One and Michael Jackson are among the defendants named in a copyright infringement lawsuit filed by R&B veteran Syl Johnson.

 

Johnson and his Twilight Record Co. filed the lawsuit in the Northern District of Illinois, claming that the artists illegally used portions of his single "Different Strokes" without permission.

 

A number of rappers and record labels are named in the lawsuit, including Peedi Crakk, Young Chris, famed rap group NWA, Sony BMG, Universal Music Group, EMI Capitol Records, Zomba Enterprises and Universal Publishing.

 

Johnson owns the copyright to the song, which was written by John Andrew Cameron and John Zachary in 1967.

 

He renewed the copyright to the song in 1996.

 

According to the lawsuit, the infringement on "Different Strokes" dates back to 1991 and has been used without permission by a number of artists ever since.

 

Johnson seeks a full accounting of record sales and a portion of any earnings each artist may have made from using "Different Strokes" in their respective song. Johnson is the legendary father of R&B singer Syleena Johnson.

 

The elder Johnson played guitar on sessions for a number of blues artists, including Elmore James, Jimmy Reed, Howlin’ Wolf and others.

 

After recording for a number of storied labels, including Federal, King, Johnson helped shape Chicago soul.

 

Starting in 1968, Johnson released a series of recordings for the tiny Twi-Night label, including singles like "Different Strokes" and "Come on and Sock It To Me," while producing Chicago soul groups like The Radiants,, Ruby Andrews and The Notations.

 

Click here to listen to "Different Strokes."


Comments

 

Water Ur Seeds said:

he renewed the copyrights in 96, which means they went out ov date prior right??? so maybe there mayb a clause or chance ov avioding the lawsuit if u used a sample during the peiord it was out ov date
January 3, 2008 9:24
 

Jay Curtis said:

Dude just wants money. SMH!
January 3, 2008 9:28
 

Boss Up said:

theres no link to the song?

January 3, 2008 9:29
 

Eight Mile Road Music News » Soul Pioneer Sues Various Rappers Over Sample said:

January 3, 2008 9:34
 

GOOD MUSIC IS DEAD! said:

pay that man!
January 3, 2008 9:41
 

poe said:

January 3, 2008 9:49
 

MISS INCREDIBLE said:

stupid record labels...  where was their sample clearance person... they're always f*cking up...  like Riley says "you gonna pay way you owe"  dummies...
January 3, 2008 10:05
 

edit said:

whoa that guys gon' be laughin all the way to the bank but he should leave 2pac out of it man his momma aint know.

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January 3, 2008 10:12
 

disconnexions said:

Hmmm... obvously the songs were old.

2Pac's been dead, Will Smith only put out like 2 albums since the 90's. Michael and Krs-1? NWA? Why it take so damn long to put a lawsuit together?

What.. they couldn't live off the Jagged Edge song "Put A Little Oomph In It"? Maybe they'll get sued 10 years from now...
January 3, 2008 10:14
 

jaeda said:

If dude have his shit copy written then he deserves his cake.
January 3, 2008 10:14
 

HypnotizedMind said:

old wanker wanting money
January 3, 2008 10:19
 

99Live said:

He deserves that money.

*bumps Is It Because I'm Black?*
January 3, 2008 10:24
 

EReal said:

No mention of any specific songs that used the sample or anything? Mehhh... weak.
January 3, 2008 10:25
 

Boss Up said:

wtf this nigga sound like James Brown
January 3, 2008 10:26
 

grouchy greg said:

yall are buggin. this guy is a living legend. It's funny cause I was telling my homie the other day, that music is like art. And if these guys had left behind something more visual (IE a painting), they would have a lot more respect.

Because its music, the state of the radio and a number of other factors, pioneers like this guy get swept under the rug.

Kanye, Common, Chicago owe a small debt to guys like this because of how Chicago soul advanced the entire music biz before everyone packed up and left Chitown for New York or LA.
January 3, 2008 10:35
 

QayyimAllahKabar said:

Yeah, there were a lot of artists that sampled that joint from Wu to Brand Nubian.  He should be able to kick back off of that lawsuit.
January 3, 2008 10:38
 

slimturk said:

hey we all need to get paid....so he does deserve the money....the only person i know so far to go bankrupt is Suge Knight ...but then again they are thinking of overturning that case suddenly...Wow this year should be filled with some interesting news for ALL of us whether we hate on something we will see a difference...

As for this sample....I dont ever recall hearing it being used....but then again i dont recall ever listening to a fresh prince of belair album....only watched the tv show...
January 3, 2008 10:43
 

Hoodgrown said:

I guess he deserves the cash.. but why wait so long to take action?

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January 3, 2008 10:43
 

SOUTH DEKALB404 said:

This song jams!!...And Syleena Johnson is a beautiful woman with an incredibly stong voice. I finally see where she got that voice from..I'm gonna sample this for something..
January 3, 2008 10:44
 

Token said:

This guy deserves the money if they stole his intellectual property. The labels need to respect people's craft and clear the samples.
January 3, 2008 10:50
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

tune is heavy by the way, i mite try grab his cd
January 3, 2008 10:58
 

Space Cowboy said:

Damn he bout to get paid. I don't blame him, and since this took so long he might be making big money off of this shit. Damn.
January 3, 2008 11:01
 

Gentle Jones said:

its good to see that the soul legends are listening, even under these circumstances.
January 3, 2008 11:06
 

cliveone said:

maybe he was counting on Syleena's career blossoming and when that didnt happen, he thought where else can I get the money ... maybe I should just sue them niggas - NWA last album was more than a decade ago and Tupac been dead even before Biggie, so tell me did you just find out that they was sampling your song coz you took too damn long to sue???
January 3, 2008 11:53
 

tha clear said:

What songs is the sample used?
January 3, 2008 12:01 PM
 

odeisel said:

you dudes are wild. of course he want shis money they made money off his productand didnt ante up.  He got his lawyers on it and they wen tback to see how any times his song was used
. Pay wha tyou owe
January 3, 2008 12:04 PM
 

42wo non-fakin said:

Someone is VERY VERY VERY FUCKING BROKE!!!
January 3, 2008 12:10 PM
 

VAgogetta said:

stop sampling and be original!!! bottom line!!! these samples gettin' too costly. especially if they don't get cleared.


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January 3, 2008 12:18 PM
 

wataboxa said:

This dude is a piece of doo doo. I don't care who he is, or what copyrights he holds. Fucca didn't even write the song. When Hip Hop infused the practice of sampling NO ONE, I MEAN NO ONE CARED!!!!!! The Music was supposed to die, it was a fad, some said it wasn't music at all, You know,a trend. In steps YT, lawyers and the rest is History.
January 3, 2008 12:20 PM
 

chocol8b0y1da said:

O.k. first off why dude wait 17 years to drop a lawsuit. If it wasn't a problem back in 2000 (4years after he renewed the copyright) why is it a problem now. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve his money but damn, why wait so long. In my opinion I think the I.R.S got after his ass for some back taxes he owe, now he scramblin to come up with the cash.
January 3, 2008 12:59 PM
 

The_R_ said:

I'ma talk like sex....
January 3, 2008 1:09 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

Be original and get urself some Instruments, if you wanna be called
a Producer and like a free head without any worrying, cause e'rything you did s yo own.
January 3, 2008 1:31 PM
 

slimhermano said:

If you are going to sample, GET CLEARANCE!

I'm glad I don't sample, too much of a headache for clearances and percentages off my publishing.......
January 3, 2008 1:57 PM
 

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January 3, 2008 2:06 PM
 

Bobby Then said:

*sigh* our youth are so misguided...him being 'broke' has nothing to do w/ it, everything doesnt always boil down to f'in money.  

Bottom line there's a 90% chance that your favorite song now, last year, and of all-time came from a sample...no matter what genre it is

Yall will realize the importance of paying whats due once rap is extinct in 10yrs and pop acts are sampling forgotten songs that are hot now


January 3, 2008 2:16 PM
 

dwill1 said:

pay the man if yall owe the man. foot note sounding like james brown is not a bad thing.
January 3, 2008 2:44 PM
 

Katalyst said:

Thats like hittn the lotto!
"Thats what Happen you make shit thats timeless"
January 3, 2008 4:03 PM
 

infamous118 said:

didnt niggas 4 life come out in like 91?
January 3, 2008 4:16 PM
 

BOOTBOY337 said:

He may be legendary, and I definitely respect that because he's from the original state of music. When dealing with a lawsuit of large magnitude of course it's going to take a while to put all the pieces together  and try to account for all the times his product was used. But one thing stood out, which will need to be verified. They said he renewed the copyright if 1996. The question I have is when did it expire? Because that will play a heavy role in the lawsuit if the copyright of the song wasn't active during those years that these people made these tracks. Which is probably what the labels noticed when they went through the sample clearing process.
January 3, 2008 4:46 PM
 

Swiffness™ said:

SMH @ you naive-ass niggas

Peedi Crackk? Young Chris? They ain't drop no albums, this old dude is trying sue over songs put on mixtapes, fuck outta here.......

these old artists are so damn greedy with that clearance nowdays......albums like P.E's first 3 albums, 36 Chambers, Long Live the Kane, Paul's Boutique, etc would be IMPOSSIBLE to make under today's sample clearance rules. And I don't know about ya'll, but I'm TIRED of these same old ass recycled Fantom/Motif sounds in every damn track nowdays. So fuck Syl, fuck Gilbert O'Sullivan, and fuck all ya'll Tap-Dance-for-the-Copywrite-Man ass niggas. CREATIVE COMMONS BITCHES!!!!
January 3, 2008 4:48 PM
 

LTBROWN said:

"I WANT MY DADDY'S RECORDS!" LMAO
January 3, 2008 5:13 PM
 

Cnspeace said:

That copyright shit is bullshit if a person doesnt sue in 3 years or less they are only doing it because of hard times. He should have been asked for it. I know he jus
January 3, 2008 5:45 PM
 

RLM $Getmoney$ said:

just pay the man.. thats not hurtin will smiths pockets lol

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January 3, 2008 5:59 PM
 

Dub_City Bomber said:

Hey, it that used his stuff without his permission, they owe him. Peroid.

Pay him.
January 3, 2008 6:32 PM
 

v4vendetta said:

Let's see.... Shame on a nigga from Wu comes to mind..Talk like sex from G rap.. "hut 1, hut 2 hut 3 what! Ol dirty bastard live and uncut".. Listen to the beginning of old song.. like he's boning the bejesus out of some bimbo as he yells "UH" with cacophonous laughter in the background! Classic, B!
January 3, 2008 10:43 PM
 

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January 3, 2008 11:06 PM
 

Ken_P said:

pay up niggaz...gramps want his bread
January 4, 2008 12:33
 

adopefemalemc said:


Hmm..yeah, I'm an artist, I think it's about principle and paying what u owe, but I do hope he realizes it makes him influential, not just raped 4 his music. Shit, we all inspired at some point by the person b4 us. Overdoing it w/ the samples aint coo, but some samples and direct quotes/remakes keep the song alive and school the next generation. Next time they in Starbucks and hear the original song, they gon' be like "THAT'S where So-And-So got it from?!"
January 4, 2008 1:24
 

BumpHipHop: The Hip Hop News Source » Gimme Some More (January 4th, 2008) said:

January 4, 2008 8:24
 

hater hurter said:

if copyright was out of date when used then they dont owe nothing.
January 4, 2008 10:47
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