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Published Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:24 PM
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By Nolan Strong

An informant has made a number of startling allegations surrounding organized crime, Hip-Hop and the music business in FBI documents released by Los Angeles Times reporter Chuck Phillips and the Los Angeles Times.

 

An unnamed informant in prison claims in the documents that a teenager named James Sabatino owned Soundstorm Entertainment, which was allegedly a front for a number of scams.

 

"The source claims that Soundstorm worked with many famous entertainers such as Biggie, Heavy D., Puff Daddy, The Lords of the Underground, Busta Rhymes and others in the Hip-Hop industry," the FBI document reads. "The talk in the industry was that Sabatino was shaking down many of these entertainers."

 

According to the Los Angeles Times, Sabatino, who was a teenager when he allegedly helped Jimmy "Henchmen" Rosemond plan an attack on Tupac Shakur at Quad Recording Studios in 1994, is allegedly involved in organized crime.

 

Rosemond has vehemently denied any involvement in Tupac Shakur's 1994 shooting at the Quad.

 

Prior to his arrest in London in 1997, Sabatino was allegedly involved in a number of scams and was labeled as a "master scam artist," who reportedly once ripped off Samuel "Tone" Barnes from the Trackmasters for $25,000 dollars, the document reads.

 

Another scam, which was allegedly more profitable, involved Sony Entertainment.

 

According to the documents, Sabatino attached Soundstorm’s applications for credit to Sony Entertainment’s Tax I.D. number.

 

"The source heard that the then President of Sony Entertainment, Tommy Mottola, was aware of what Sabatino was doing, but was told to ‘stay out of it’ by members of organized crime who Mottola was with."

 

The source claims that this and money earned from other income is how a number of different conferences were funded, including the legendary How Can I Be Down conferences.

 

The document also makes a bombshell revelation: that Sabatino was connected to Marion "Suge" Knight prior to both slayings through a different organized crime associate.

 

According to the FBI documents, Sabatino was allegedly scared that either "Haitian" Jack Agnant or Randy "Stretch" Walker, to former associates of Shakur who allegedly helped set him up, would talk to police about the shooting.

 

"Sabatino seemed concerned that either Agnant or Walker would talk to the police," the source told the FBI. "Shortly after, Walker was shot and killed in Queens, New York. The source heard that [Randy "Stretch"] Walker was killed as a form of respect to Suge Knight. Knight had since took over the career of Shakur and Sabatino had ties to Knight through an organized crime associate in Las Vegas."

 

Apparently, this is the reason why authorities implicated Sabatino in the death of Christopher "Notorious B.I.G." Wallace in March of 1997, just six months after Shakur was gunned down in Las Vegas in September of 1996.


That information was revealed when Sabatino filed a $19 million dollar lawsuit against Sean "Diddy" Combs in October 2007, reportedly over money owed for footage of Christopher "The Notorious B.I.G." Wallace taken in 1994.

 

In November of 2007, Sabatino filed a motion to prohibit Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs from allegedly circulating FBI documents that named Sabatino as a suspect in the 1994 shooting of Tupac Shakur.

 

According to The Associated Press, James Sabatino, who is currently imprisoned in Allenwood, Pennsylvania on fraud charges, claims that Combs was circulating the FBI records ‘as part of smear campaign against him.


To view the document, click here.


Comments

 

Rydeit4me said:

FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
March 18, 2008 4:58 PM
 

chopavelli said:

first.
RIP Tupac, Biggie, Jam Master Jay, Pimp C, Static/Major, Big Moe , Bob Marley, and Jimi Hendrix
March 18, 2008 5:01 PM
 

chopavelli said:

damn
March 18, 2008 5:01 PM
 

TwoHunidProof said:

That's heavy
March 18, 2008 5:05 PM
 

Yadadamean said:

This whole story gets crazier err day
March 18, 2008 5:08 PM
 

DEKALBCOUNTY said:

The Plot Thickens
March 18, 2008 5:11 PM
 

RHT Magee said:

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.  Organized crime has been involved with the American entertainment scene for a very long time!  And if I were Diddy or The Henchman I would be denying it too because "the mafia doesn't exist"!
March 18, 2008 5:12 PM
 

Eight Mile Road Music News » Informant Makes Controversial Revelations Regarding Tupac; Music Biz said:

March 18, 2008 5:14 PM
 

Phillyhiphop215 said:

Hey people what IF DIDDY had PAC KILLED and then had BIGGIE KILLED cause he felt some type of way by it???? Any which way DIDDY and SUGE HAD SOMETIHNG TO DO WITH BOTH I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT ANYBODY SAY
March 18, 2008 5:18 PM
 

Cypha Da Weapon said:

Damn If it werent for Yadadamean posting the Vibe article alot of us would be lost now we learnin' all the background ish that was going on. Damn the articles the real knowledge is in the comments. ONE to all subscribers!
March 18, 2008 5:20 PM
 

INANYSTATEOFMIND said:

WOW
March 18, 2008 5:22 PM
 

Boss Up said:

the FBI?
wtf

they had more to do wit this then anyone
March 18, 2008 5:23 PM
 

Tupac - Informant enthüllt neue Details über Tupacs Tod « Sabatino, Soundstorm, Angeles, Times, Hip-Hop, Busta, Makes, Informant « SWISS SECTION said:

March 18, 2008 5:25 PM
 

chamelio.s said:

stay awake to the ways of the world cuz shit is deep...
March 18, 2008 5:31 PM
 

juicedlikepac said:

Henchmen is a biatch and his son deserved that slap. None of this info is really that new. Pac had been saying it for a while... in the Tupac Resurection. Pac is all saying how he comes outta the elevator and they pretend like they dont even know him. Then they interview BIG and Puffy and there all saying they were trying to help him and shit.
March 18, 2008 5:32 PM
 

duttyp said:

that mafia shit is gangsta
i cant believe it took over a decade for this shit to come out
March 18, 2008 5:32 PM
 

JRucker said:

"The feds is watchin, n!ggas plottin to get me, will I survive, will I die, come on lets picture the possibilities.." All Eyes on Me
March 18, 2008 5:33 PM
 

IkonRadio.com said:

This is getting deeper by the day. Its kind of suspect though. Who is this informant? I know this type of thing takes some time to figure out but all I'm saying is this.....I'm tired of all the speculation talk, just find out who did it and email me the story at ikonradio@gmail.com

R.I.P. Tupac, Biggie, Mausberg, Proof, JMJ, Big L, Soulja Slim, Stack Bundles, Big Hawk, Scot La Rock, Fat Pat, Freaky Tah, Mac Dre and anybody else who has died from senseless violence in hip-hop.


Thank You,

DJ K-Money
Ikon Radio
March 18, 2008 5:42 PM
 

hotfire82 said:

man the more and more i read these articles I really don't know if these are conspriarcy theories or what. I think these 2 articles i've read so far are bringing out some type of truth in them and I still think suge knight still played a very big part in 2pac's death.
March 18, 2008 5:46 PM
 

chopavelli said:

No fourteen y/o kid deserved to get smacked up by a middle aged man. Use some common sense homey . don't be ignorant
March 18, 2008 5:47 PM
 

TheHollerinMusicExchange said:

Really who cares if any of this shit was true it would have came out a long time ago. This is nothig more than another attempt to sell newspapers. I swear people act like Tupac was god or some shit like that. The nigga aint did shit but rap and die broke. There is alot more serious shit going on in the world that effects the community than Tupac news..
March 18, 2008 5:51 PM
 

Shifty_UK said:

this is getting deeep dam
March 18, 2008 5:51 PM
 

TheHollerinMusicExchange said:

Really who cares if any of this shit was true it would have came out a long time ago. This is nothig more than another attempt to sell newspapers. I swear people act like Tupac was god or some shit like that. The nigga aint did shit but rap and die broke. There is alot more serious shit going on in the world that effects the community than Tupac news..
March 18, 2008 5:51 PM
 

Die2Live said:

I hope you guys starts blogs in shit when someone you know dies........Let these Blackmen Rest shit!!!
March 18, 2008 5:54 PM
 

AMBISHN said:

"suge shot me"

March 18, 2008 5:57 PM
 

samydman said:

"You know what gang violence is, mostly
and the people dont want you to hear this
somebody shoots your family member
so of course you retaliate, You know what i mean
Same thing the U.S does except nobody
even shot their family members
you know, they see that, somebody bomb a school
and all these people get killt
so the united states feel like ooh thats messed up
we gotta go show em who tha real killers
this country was built on gangs, you know
i think this country still is run on gangs
republicans, democrats, the police department, the FBI
the CIA, those are gangs, you know what i mean
the correctional officers,
I had a correctional officer tell me straight,
we the biggest gang in New York state
straight up"---tupac

every single gang in the u.s is connected one way or the other...it's like a chess game, and the ones moving the damn pieces our the ones on top...you kill one of mines and i kill one of yours, then we can have coffee and play some golf.

anybody who doesn't think that suge and puffy had nothing to do with both deaths is a fool...those 2 idiots name tupac and biggie thought they were ganstas, thought they had friends, well they real ganstas  that run them got them killed, and became much richer...tupac understood the game more than biggie though, but he was too much of a knuckle head, suge played him like a damn pawn in a chess game.

before you see these ganstas in jail, you'll see them in hell, because nobody is getting locked up...if everyone was too start snitching, it would probably link all the way to the white house

March 18, 2008 5:57 PM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

That's real deep and very believable..It all makes since in fact..Everything Pac said plus we already knew a lot of NY rappers were getting extorted..I think that situation in Vegas was a setup and that's why a lot of people that were involved aren't here..One of the first tasks after a murder is killing the person implicated, which was done a year later as well..Pac implicated Stretch and he was killed a year after Pac was setup at the recording studio and Orlando Anderson was killed a year after Pac got killed..Then add to the fact that it happened in Vegas the spot where Sabatino and Suge had a mutual friend..Pac doesn't sign to Sabatino but still signs up under the same umbrella..He won't sign to Sabatino and gets setup and then he tries to leave Deathrow and is killed..It all seems kind of fishy because why wait this long because i'm sure they've had this information for awhile so i'm not jumping to conclusions..I'm just throwing out possibilities..
March 18, 2008 6:00 PM
 

VMW said:

TheHollerinMusicExchange said:
Really who cares if any of this shit was true it would have came out a long time ago. This is nothig more than another attempt to sell newspapers. I swear people act like Tupac was god or some shit like that. The nigga aint did shit but rap and die broke. There is alot more serious shit going on in the world that effects the community than Tupac news..
............................................................................
you an ignorant stupid motherfucker!!! why would you even bother posting such stupid fucken garbage...a nigga would get clapped for saying shit like that in my hood...go listen to flo-rida or something and stay the fuck away from the real shit faggot!
March 18, 2008 6:04 PM
 

ReD spAdEz said:

Damn.... R.I.P Pac
March 18, 2008 6:07 PM
 

Eight Mile Road Music News » Informant Makes Controversial Allegations Regarding Tupac; Music Biz said:

March 18, 2008 6:07 PM
 

GizProductions said:

@ TheHollerinMusicExchange

If you don't care don't comment on it, mind your business... Nobody has claimed Pac was god, wtf, your hallucinating...

People needs to relax though, it ain't new information that Pac was set up in 94, if Pac wanted people to go to jail for it, he would have went to the police...
March 18, 2008 6:08 PM
 

IkonRadio.com said:

@GawgawgaBwoy770

Co-SIGN!!!

I dont want to speculate but so many people that were connected and involved in both cases have been murdered it just real suspect
March 18, 2008 6:12 PM
 

SagNasty989 said:

Somebody need to merk this fucking WOP  sabatino.
March 18, 2008 6:12 PM
 

samydman said:

and it's also so fucked up that all the people that died over this shit are black, our own brothers are still selling us like the slaves...damn shame

fuck suge and fuck dbitch for real son...i am a little heated right now thinking about this shit
March 18, 2008 6:22 PM
 

Ceccotti said:

March 18, 2008 6:44 PM
 

KeNDaWg505 said:

fuck SABATINO that bitch can burn in hell for all i give a fuck... FUCK HIS FAMILY too let them die slow ...
March 18, 2008 6:59 PM
 

International said:

mayn, this shyt just makes me understand why pac was actin the way he was, niggaz talkin bout how he was paranoid an smoked too much weed an blah blah blah...that nigga Pac was on point most of the time, the shyt he was rappin bout what was goin on in his life an the interviews was really happenin, really goin down like that, there will never be another Pac fo real...no wonder he was goin at Big an Puffy an most of the eastcoast, whatever that nigga was doin an actin like at the time there was mos def an explanation for it, an its now becomin visible.
March 18, 2008 7:09 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

why the l.a. times won't run this story in they print edition that go to the streets?  what they afraid of?

why they only got in online where it dont hit the barbershops & pool rooms?

suckas.
March 18, 2008 7:23 PM
 

dustemoff151 said:

the question is who is the most VALUABLE player not who is the best player on the best team.  this is why rarely get the rational behind the player who gets the award.  if you follow the letter of the award then LEBRON "KING" JAMES is hands down the MVP with CP3 and Kobe Bryant close behind.  If you take Lebron off of the Cavaliers, you have the worse team in the league.  Can you really say that about the Lakers when they boast a roster that includes Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, a young Andrew Bynum when he comes back as well as many formidable role players?  I don't think so.  With Bron being the ONLY player you have to game plan against, he continues to perform at a rate that no one in the league can match.  The boy, Paul, is just sick.  He's going to be the best point guard in the game over the next decade, in my opinion.  Without Bron constantly shitting on everyone lined up against him every night, he just can't get it.  Scary thing is Bron hasn't even begun to maximize his potential.  Just wait, the kid just get better and better as the game continues to slow down and he realizes he can do whatever he wants to against whoever staring him in the eyes.  LEBRON JAMES, hands down!
March 18, 2008 7:23 PM
 

cantfademe1 said:

www.cantfademe.com

hip hop social networking site.

yall think DIDDY has security now. lol. he is about to employ a whole army. dont matter, a crazy pac fan will find they way through..... say it aint so puff.


http://www.cantfademe.com
hook your page up....
March 18, 2008 7:44 PM
 

juicedlikepac said:

@chopavelli

you must not have kids


March 18, 2008 7:51 PM
 

One Hun-ed said:

Hentchman, Sabatino, Puffy and all the rest of those mutha fukas knew. I just want to see his homies start riding on them like they said they would. Its funny how the outlaws still living and doing music and shit in Pacs Name. All the shit they rapped about they didnt do. They said they would ride for Pac. That means any mutha fuka that had something to do with it should of been touched. Wrecklessly. Period. Hold ya Head
March 18, 2008 7:55 PM
 

HipHopManiac said:

damn.....god bless the dead
March 18, 2008 7:55 PM
 

WhoRyde said:

This is just crazy. Sounds like Pac got caught up in some crazy shit basically over hatting. Damn!

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March 18, 2008 8:07 PM
 

Goldy74 said:

NO, FUCK SUGE FAT X PILL POPING ASS. HE HAD BOTH OF THEM KILLED. YOU FUCKING DUMBIES AND AIN'T NOBODY BEEN TRYING GO UP SIDE HIS HEAD. FUCKING PUSSIES TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY LOVED BIG AND PAC SO MUCH. THATS A DAMN SHAME!
March 18, 2008 8:21 PM
 

kiffkiff said:

hmmmm
look suspicious how these old stories goes out during election time...
March 18, 2008 8:53 PM
 

Informant Makes Controversial Allegations Regarding Tupac; Music Biz [allhiphop.com] at dropmagazine.com said:

March 18, 2008 9:07 PM
 

Informant Makes Controversial Allegations Regarding Tupac; Music Biz [allhiphop.com] at dropmagazine.com said:

March 18, 2008 9:07 PM
 

Katalyst said:

All these so called Gangsta ass Niggas in the rap game, an come ta find out an 18 year old white boy was run'n shit.
March 18, 2008 9:15 PM
 

SpliffStaR said:

if u real...then the first thing u did after readin this was...

put on 'Agasint All Odds"

hopin my true muthafuckaz kno...this be the realest shit he eva wrote !!!
March 18, 2008 9:32 PM
 

Just_In said:

If this Italian mf'er had somethin to do with it, he would have been singin a long time ago. Them fuckas cant hold water for nothing. They sell out they own people so why would he carry shit for a "nigga" especially something that could possibly get him free. It's funny how the media/government is always throwin us in a twist over this shit....
March 18, 2008 9:35 PM
 

upperklass_g4 said:

MAN WHO KILLED PAC?????
March 18, 2008 9:49 PM
 

Hardbody88 said:

Listen to against all odds, number 12 on the don killuminati again and he talks about being set up and whatnot, it's crazy though
March 18, 2008 10:06 PM
 

ledroconline.com said:

The Consp theories live on.

But this sheds more light on most of the theories since the 94 attempt tho'!
March 18, 2008 10:10 PM
 

MOBVII said:

HERE WE COME GUN SHOTS TO TUTT,

NOW U STUCK ! FUCK THE RAP GAME NIGGA THIS IS M.O.B.

SO BELIEVE ME WE ENEMIES,

AGAINST ALL ODDZ !!!!!!
March 18, 2008 10:17 PM
 

cptcpt said:

lol at people believin this nigga..just goes to show how people believe everything they read and hear
March 18, 2008 10:20 PM
 

daz156 said:

i think it is evident Pac was not a street dude, more of a regular dude that got caught up in the world of real gangsters that viewed him as a cash cow to extort.....

SO Haitian Jack and who really robbed/disciplined him at Quad ?

it also seems that the east coast scene is run by OG's and these rappers are their bread and butter and anyone who is against that gets dealt with, cases in point - Pac, Stretch, 50 Cent, E Money Bags, Troy Outlaw ?    Think of Chaz, Supreme, Henchmen.........Then think of the Mafia involvement, would they have the power to influence Puff, Suge to lose their MVP's cos obviously this increses sales and therfore income, which they (LCN) would be taking from Bad Boy/Death Row, and also involvement in "artist management" eg Chaz Williams, Sabatino, Henchmen, Chris Lighty( Violators used to be a NY gang which i believe then got into the "security" business then artist management )

Industry Rule No 4080....
I honestly think the truth will come out over the next year about it all....heres hoping....
March 18, 2008 10:33 PM
 

daz156 said:

additionally what about Busta gettin robbed allegedly by The Commssion- who are they and who are they affiliated with ?, did this happen after moving to Violator after having some tie to Soundstorm /Sabatino ? NORE who was down with E Money Bags then being down with Murder Inc/JaRule and its affiliations with Supreme after Supreme ordering E Money Bags murder ? Jam Master Jay and his ties with 50 and his beef with Supreme ?

it seems only a handful of people might be involved in all these Hip Ho crimes.....
just putting that out there for feedback ????
March 18, 2008 10:41 PM
 

daz156 said:

oh and i forgot, E Money Bags was friends with Pac- they done a track together for E's album....
Wyclef has mentioned Haitian Jack in some interviews and claims he is his good friend, brother from another mother etc and i see Henchmen has just spoken about getting more involved with Wyclefs Haitian Charity Foundation thing, are their ties there ?

ARE THESE EXAMPLES OF SIX DEGREES OF SEPERATION OR ARE THERE REAL CONNECTIONS IN SOME WAY ??

March 18, 2008 10:48 PM
 

Decepticonz said:

daZ156

hatian jack is wyclefs cousin thats why henchmen is correlated

member pac said fuck the fugees
March 18, 2008 11:13 PM
 

Decepticonz said:

this shit is goin on in hip hop today in 2008 tho.
March 18, 2008 11:15 PM
 

dwill1 said:

only way this will ever be really solved somebody creditbale has to all out bitch up and sing like a bird. cause this shit they telling us does not seem to mean shit as far as somebody being held accountable for the studio shooting or the murder's of pac, big, stretch, orlando, suge cousin, jmj, kadafi and so on. cause one thing we can all agree on i'm sure is that the same circle of O.G'S name's come up when you talk about one of them nigga's dying. if i am missing any names please add them. but if you know anything about the G-CODE you know most times there is know closure. just a whole lot of, i think that nigga, maybe that nigga, could of been that nigga and then you have this shit something that sound true as hell but still no one held accountable. this is the life alot of us chose including PAC these are the breaks it is hard but it is fair. one side of me want to see who did it but the other side of me know these street's, and know the only way we will know is if someone snitches and to me that is some bitch shit. AS A NIGGA THAT LIVED A STREET LIFE FOR THE MAJORITY OF MY YEARS ON THIS EARTH. i hate to see any nigga snitched on even a sneaky bitch ass nigga that need some work put it on his ass. R.I.P PAC your music and MILITARY MIND lives on thru alot of young thugs out here getting money and taken no loses.
March 18, 2008 11:21 PM
 

dwill1 said:

does anyone have a link ABOUT KING TUT who is he.
March 18, 2008 11:27 PM
 

Ridicolous Nicholas said:

I second what Boss Up said....the FBI is in on this shit....they have everything to do with both biggie and pac 's murders...we gonna find out soon...somebody gonna snitch...bet
March 18, 2008 11:30 PM
 

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March 18, 2008 11:39 PM
 

jamali said:

man the nigga is long gone.let him rest in peace.chuck is tryin make some money of this story.he can careless about pac gettin shot and who set him up.
March 19, 2008 12:19 AM
 

Daily Recap - 3/18/08 at SNICKA.com said:

March 19, 2008 12:20 AM
 

Jiggagirl007 said:

I don't know what to believe anymore....
March 19, 2008 12:31 AM
 

aj22 said:

Wow..... what is next?
March 19, 2008 12:59 AM
 

Cabana da Don said:

Jesus and this is only about the robbery case they aint even investigating his assassination smh.


To me the mafia story sounds valid.

There gots to be one street nigga that lived in the 90's in NYC that knows the whole story come one ya.

nobody is going to snitch until sabatino dies.
March 19, 2008 1:27 AM
 

chopavelli said:

@ juicedlikepac

I don't have kids but I could justify If Tony Yayo was the kids father. But the kids father was one of Yayo's known enemies.
March 19, 2008 1:41 AM
 

ArcticFury said:

@ Gawgaboy

Let not forget Kadafi who could suposedly identify the killer who was murked 2 mos after Tupac
March 19, 2008 2:15 AM
 

Nolex said:

Its time for diddy to DIE
March 19, 2008 2:57 AM
 

StreetzRUS said:

Puffys the Informent ..lol
J.k .
It says the Informant was in the Quad that night .. hmmm ..
March 19, 2008 3:01 AM
 

slimturk said:

@ Boss Up,

Co-sign...

*************

@ GawgaBwoy770,

co-sign....

I even said a few weeks or months ago that the only way you get killed in Vegas is by permission....Who else owns the Casino's....we shall not speak on that....because we could be murdered by them tracing our IP addresses...

And still for this day....I truly do not agree on how PIMP C died....I am sorry folks....I truly beleive that PIMP C was murdered in a way to make it look like an OD...

************

@ VMW,

co-sign....

***************

@ TheHollerinMusicExchange,

I am still wondering who this brave star is "TheHollerinMusicExchange" because honestly.....i could care less whether he white, black, spanish, asian, indian, caribbean.....man i may be from the North which is Canada ....but let me tell you....people say we ain;t killers up here....for saying what you said man about Tupac Shakur.....Thats enough to get yourself killed literally....

Are you sufferring from some sort of sickness you dumb ass?

************************

@ jubilee.shine,

if it is ever printed in the newspaper then that journalist will no longer be breathing....and his.her family will be found slain....entire family....

**************

@ Hardbody88,

I thought i was the only who disected every word said on that album....good to know im not the only tupac fan disecting the words...

*****************

@ daz156,

co-sign....
March 19, 2008 3:32 AM
 

poe said:

March 19, 2008 3:42 AM
 

Cephas said:

Pac said all this shit almost verbatim in his lost interview. You can buy it on bootleg. It is a interview he did with Sway right before he died. He was talkin about all types of shit on the air, gettin his own satelite radio show, and doing work with Alaynis Morissette.

The real shit was said when they went to commercial but kept recording audio. Thats when all the shit in this article was brought up by pac. "The problem is them east coast dope boyz got puffy and them under extortion"
March 19, 2008 6:29 AM
 

daz156 said:

@ Decepticonz said:

i didnt realise he was cousin to Clef, but is that family relation cousin or just like Meth says cousin as a term of friendship ?

And i know why he said fuck the fugees, cos of that relationship, but what i meant is Henchmen getting involved in the Haitian Charity thing cos him and Haitian jack are still business partners or anything, ie does the charity have them named as directors or anything on the board along with Clef ??
Where is Haitian Jack ? Is he involved in the music industry in any ways ? Where is King Tut ??

and if i recall does 50 not make a ref to Tut being locked up and some link to Pac and read betweeen the lines ??......on some old rottenappleent mixtape (his original series of mixtapes)....

I think there is info on King Tut on wikipedia, i dont know how accurate it is tho.....
March 19, 2008 6:32 AM
 

daz156 said:

@ Decepticonz said:

i didnt realise he was cousin to Clef, but is that family relation cousin or just like Meth says cousin as a term of friendship ?

And i know why he said fuck the fugees, cos of that relationship, but what i meant is Henchmen getting involved in the Haitian Charity thing cos him and Haitian jack are still business partners or anything, ie does the charity have them named as directors or anything on the board along with Clef ??
Where is Haitian Jack ? Is he involved in the music industry in any ways ? Where is King Tut ??

and if i recall does 50 not make a ref to Tut being locked up and some link to Pac and read betweeen the lines ??......on some old rottenappleent mixtape (his original series of mixtapes)....

I think there is info on King Tut on wikipedia, i dont know how accurate it is tho.....
March 19, 2008 6:32 AM
 

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March 19, 2008 7:11 AM
 

WE$TCOA$T ALL STAR said:

Pac been said all this ... do your historys kids !



http://www.myspace.com/djuavemente
March 19, 2008 7:18 AM
 

anzee11 said:

Here goes IC CSI. I bet Pac's mom doesn't really give a fuck about these soap opera antics. She knows her son is at peace now.
March 19, 2008 7:25 AM
 

K.r.u.n.k.y said:

R.......I.......P
March 19, 2008 7:58 AM
 

young boss said:

fuck henchmannn and diddy combs
March 19, 2008 8:04 AM
 

Trium918 said:

Puffy and Suge had something to do with both deaths. James Sabatino was associated with both producers.
March 19, 2008 9:40 AM
 

EReal said:

They're Dead.
March 19, 2008 9:45 AM
 

Buckeye Blaze said:

What up AHH Fam, check out this link: http://www.miaminewtimes.com/1999-09-09/news/con-kid/print.

This is an in-depth story about Sabatino.  Interesting story.
March 19, 2008 11:20 AM
 

LEGACY143 said:

Dam man you young dudes really gotta do the knowledge to PAC's music.  He was always caught up between being a thug and being a positive brother.  I am from north NJ and all these articles and info is old news up here.  The only thing I didn't know about what Sabatino.  When i was in college a year after Pac died I meet a dude from newark who was down with fatal hussein we were gonna fly to LA to be in the OUTLAW video ( the one right after pac died that they did  i forget the name) But we didn't have the ticket$ we were broke college kids.   I know dudes that chilled with PAC during the filiming of juice some of it was actually filmed in Jersey city NJ   Pac was outside smoking trees with the students.  bottomline PAC was one of the realest dudes to pick up a mic. I got alot of other info but I dont feel like typing it  lol
March 19, 2008 12:07 PM
 

j.johnson said:

@ Cephas

i got the video from that interview...
March 19, 2008 12:22 PM
 

Reggie Push said:


MEDAL OF HONOR: song for the Troops, 'bout a Marine goin to Iraq wit war sounds and George Bush samples
ONE OF THE BEST STORIES IN HIP HOP

HIP HOP NAMES: where i use different rappers names in the industry to tell a story about me.
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I'M NOT HATIN BUT THAT KISSIN SHIT WAS SUPER GAY

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VERY FEW CAN RIVAL MY FREESTYLE SKILLZ

SLUGGAH: tight azz club banger named after my nickname.
SHOWS I CAN MAKE A CLUB BANGER

S.A.N.D.I.E.G.O.: song reppin my city.
HAD TO DO ONE FOR MY CITY

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March 19, 2008 12:29 PM
 

BLUNTBLAZER said:

I GIVE IT TWO MORE YEARS PEOPLE CANT HOLD THA TRUTH N
FOEVAN SOMEBODYS GONNA TELL STATUE OF LIMITATIONS IS COMIN UP

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March 19, 2008 12:32 PM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

LAPD, SUGE AND THIS ITALIAN KILLED PAC!!! WE ALREADY KNOW IT WAS A PROFESSIONAL HIT!!! NO GANGBANGER CAN PULL THAT OFF ON THE STRIP ESPECIALLY WEN MIKE TYSON WAS IN TOWN!!! END OV
March 19, 2008 1:00 PM
 

TwoHunidProof said:

This is some real heavy shit, the FBI,CIA, n the mob!  This is like some Freeway Rick type shit, n muhfuckas thought Pac was trippin.  He had an uncanny intuition, n even while livin thru this type of treal ass shit, he still always tried 2 send a message n give the ppl a heads up on whats goin down on the under.  He's like the MLK 4 80's babies.
March 19, 2008 1:19 PM
 

coolidgeforpresident said:

daz 156 is police
March 19, 2008 1:40 PM
 

j.johnson said:

coolidgeforpresident said:
daz 156 is police



I agree....
March 19, 2008 1:59 PM
 

c_a_k said:

THE GOVERNMENT KILLED PAC!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL THIS IS A DISTRACTION SO THAT U WON'T QUESTION THE REAL CULPRITS.

HASN'T PAC BEEN GONE FOR 12YEARA ALREADY AND I DON'T KNWO ABOUT U BUT THE STORY HAS GOTTEN CRAZIER AS THE YEARS WENT BY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS THIS SABATINO DUDE TALKING  NOW?????

PEOPLE LETS NOT FORGOT THAT THE FBI IS THE MASTER OF INFILTRATING AND DISMANTLING ORGANIZATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 19, 2008 2:21 PM
 

c_a_k said:

THE GOVERNMENT KILLED PAC!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL THIS IS A DISTRACTION SO THAT U WON'T QUESTION THE REAL CULPRITS.

HASN'T PAC BEEN GONE FOR 12YEARS ALREADY AND I DON'T KNWO ABOUT U BUT THE STORY HAS GOTTEN CRAZIER AS THE YEARS WENT BY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS THIS SABATINO DUDE TALKING  NOW?????

PEOPLE LETS NOT FORGOT THAT THE FBI IS THE MASTER OF INFILTRATING AND DISMANTLING ORGANIZATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 19, 2008 2:21 PM
 

Reggie Push said:

MEDAL OF HONOR: song for the Troops, 'bout a Marine goin to Iraq wit war sounds and George Bush samples
ONE OF THE BEST STORIES IN HIP HOP

HIP HOP NAMES: where i use different rappers names in the industry to tell a story about me.
ONE OF THE BEST SONGS IN HIP HOP

LIL WAYNE DIS The Best Faggot Alive about Lil weezy kissin Baby.
I'M NOT HATIN BUT THAT KISSIN SHIT WAS SUPER GAY

FREESTYLE: tight azz freestyle over grillz beat.
VERY FEW CAN RIVAL MY FREESTYLE SKILLZ

SLUGGAH: tight azz club banger named after my nickname.
SHOWS I CAN MAKE A CLUB BANGER

S.A.N.D.I.E.G.O.: song reppin my city.
HAD TO DO ONE FOR MY CITY

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I think he probably did do all that stuff. But information from the government always comes when it's too late to do anything about it.
March 19, 2008 3:01 PM
 

WILLY KILLEM? said:

ANOTHER TALE OF THE TELL.
March 19, 2008 3:43 PM
 

Nosweat said:

Pac Said All This On Against All Odds Pick Up The Makevelli Album
March 19, 2008 4:02 PM
 

Mean Dean said:

daz156 said:
additionally what about Busta gettin robbed allegedly by The Commssion- who are they and who are they affiliated with ?, did this happen after moving to Violator after having some tie to Soundstorm /Sabatino ? NORE who was down with E Money Bags then being down with Murder Inc/JaRule and its affiliations with Supreme after Supreme ordering E Money Bags murder ? Jam Master Jay and his ties with 50 and his beef with Supreme ?

it seems only a handful of people might be involved in all these Hip Ho crimes.....
just putting that out there for feedback ????


According to the Hip Hop Cop's book, The Commission was a bunch of youngin's lead by a 19y/o dude. They robbed mad folk and had intel from a popular body guard of rappers. Pretty sure ODB and Busta Buss got robbed by them.
March 19, 2008 4:20 PM
 

v4vendetta said:

Here is the real talk, party people...

The Feds use the mob as a front to extort ni99as, distribute dope and run numbers so they can have a cover and use the plausible deniability defense. This is also an avenue to create a "patsy" like the infamous Oswald/JFK/Jack Ruby scenario. As long as there is an underworld, the feds can always point to that element as the culprit deflecting the blame from them. The creation of a "mob" is a buffer class designed to have an underground criminal enterprise of which their federal laws and thus encroachment upon individual liberty can be effectuated. The result is a prison class, ban on various types of weapons, bank account regulation and a pipeline for drug distribution. Tupac was a pawn in a chessgame that extorts artists and demands allegiance to a machine based on corruption. The federally funded "mafia" continues to intimidate, manage and take cake and royalties from shook artists too afraid to speak up like PAC!! This would explain Pac's outbursts and lashing out at "enemies" in his songs and even his seemingly self-destructive mode as witnessed by head-scatching fans™™
March 19, 2008 5:09 PM
 

a dawgz lyfe said:

jimmy henchmen said in a vibe mag interview, that he had dudes come to disipline pac . that right there is telling everyone he had something to do with it!!!!!!!!
March 19, 2008 5:16 PM
 

zacreole1976 said:

Oh well.  I  mean too bad but oh well.  I guess maybe the unseen hand got a little tired of rappers using their names & images & decided to come through & take their share for copyright infringement.

SMH at these big black gangsters getting shook down by Italy Wop teeny bops.

White people are the biggest gangsters in the world.  Blacks, (& everybody else) need to think more of themselves as a community & family instead of thugs & pimps & gangsters.  That's what the "mob" does.  It works for them.  Right?????

I feel bad for legitimate artists who got caught in the fray.  Wanna be thugs & tough talkin' dudes-You deal in vice you pay the price.  Real thugs too: There's always somebody bigger, badder, tougher, with more guns, more money, more connections & more willing to do things you aren't to get ahead.  Hell's full of them.  What's the point.  Why not just myob, get your own hustle on-whatever that may be-& live a nice life till you die.  I don't understand what the appeal is in knockin' on death's door.

RIP 2 PAC & BIG
March 19, 2008 5:32 PM
 

Hoodgrown said:

I don't know about no mob shit.. but there are a lot of street niggas extorting rappers in NYC.

The extortion game is like the drug game. You now how all the big drug dealers are familiar with each other. So goes it in the extortion game. If "such and such" is extorting "rapper1" he won't really get at "rapper2" cause he knows dude already got him. A lot of lower level cats who are still "in the streets" is getting extorted. The game is crazy...

but it is what it is...


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March 19, 2008 7:56 PM
 

InfamousMobstar said:

mobism, its a way of life.... its also my religion, but damn, sab did them dirty...
March 19, 2008 8:15 PM
 

tidyga said:

Obviously the guy Sabatino had clout(no matter the age) b/c he has never ever been spoken about till now, even by Pac(Rip) himself. Being the Pac head I am, now alot of stuff is making sense, like the Pac subliminals "You think you Mob, we do muthafucking Mob" All along Im thinking he talking about Biggie....

The Fugees went at Pac first on their hit cd "Ready or Not"(I think thats what it was called.), based on their/Clef's Henchman association/extortion so they began sneak dissing Pac on wax b/c Henchman said so, then Pac started firing back

King Tut is one of the 2 informants talking
March 19, 2008 11:06 PM
 

billy_gramz said:

BiG and Pac fall on the list of Black Men Killed while under surveilance by Federal Agents...The Hip Hop Police DID IN FACT exist during the 95, 96, 97 whole "coastal war bullshit." The Hip Hop task force was with BiG on March 8 1997, following and investigating and all dat other b.s. they do...leading up to the early hours of the morning (March 9).

If anyone up here seen "Gang Related," one of Pac's last movies he did, his character, a cop, gets tied up in corrupt cop shit and owes the mob money...life imitating art or vice versa...i mean, Pac was implying BiG and Puff's guilt every chance he got. I feel that Pac fucked up bad...but he couldn't help it. In a situation like Pac was allegedly in, he felt his life was in danger, which it prolly was. Some people offered protection and shelter, an armored shield, if you will. But just like taking snacks from a nigga in jail....niggas know what I mean. Pac was owned...and he was TRAPPED just like his old song.  Its sad the way it played out and now 13 or so years later, its still a lead issue. There are kids in junior high, old enough to make babies, that don't even understand who BiGGie and Pac were. I just wish that everyone understood the situation for real and not the smoke screen that has been set to make people believe that these rappers killed each them selves. The East Coast West Coast beef is a cover up for a deeper scheme. This way, no matter how ugly it gets, there will be an excuse...so that it looks like senseless violence by rich rappers (niggers)...when in actuality its senseless violence by gangsters and mobsters...real gangsters and mobsters, not niggas from Kelly Park or Lueders Park or Bed Stuy or Hollis...theres always a bigger picture people. Randy Moss mite be a rich nigga...but think about the mufucka who owns his ass...who can AFFORD to pay his ass millions...the BIG PICTURE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
March 19, 2008 11:17 PM
 

Bootlegg305 said:

March 20, 2008 1:03 AM
 

daz156 said:

coolidge shut the fuck up
j johnson shut the fuck up

pair of faggots.....

I am from GLASGOW, SCOTLAND so i dont think i would have any juristiction if i was a cop to do anything you pillow biters.....


go suck each other off or something, if that is all you can contribute on here


i was only asking cos there are a lot of things that confuse me when rappers talk about street codes and shit but there is not one amongst them know anything about real G codes- honour, loyalty, and being a man of your word.....

but i suppose animals lack the intelligence to know any better.
March 20, 2008 6:29 AM
 

WhoRyde said:

This is some crazy shit right here. I guess this was deeper then we imaged.

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March 20, 2008 10:42 AM
 

city414 said:

i always knew about haitian jack he aint like pac
March 20, 2008 11:10 AM
 

nyga07 said:

wow crazy shit right here aint it but the word in the street sback then been that rosemond henchmen or watever he calls hisself set him up and i aint even really know the nigga then
now as far as big and pac
yeah they been saying big knew who did it and he said hisself pac know who set him up why he going at me
so he knew in ways but its liek any street shit he woulda got killed too
big downfall was being next to puff
who got too many ties and too many shady niggas in his pocket
and i feel pac for being tight that big didnt say shit but teh ma fuckers they was fucking wit kill famalies that lil nigga
henchmen been killing niggas since he was 16
and he is very connected
same shit going on 2day 50 the next big name they wanna extort
thats why he went at ja rule so hard
ja and them niggas getting extorted by supreme team and all them old skool drug lords
and for who asked tut fall in that same bracket an old legend hustler extorting dudes
thats why tho i dont agree wit 50 he know them niggas want him dead
and for those who think that irv is telling the truth about preme being his man
come on these dudes will extort they momma for that cake ,kill they cousins and all no 2nd thoughts
why u think 50 got all that security wit him
that shit wit henchmen started when he asked 50 to do that documentary with him which they both in all cool then but them niggas was suppose to give the money to the real 50 cent family and kept it so basically the dude found a reason to get at 50 just so he could have a reason
extortion read the lines now u tell me these niggas slapped his kid up aka when he dead dudes wont think i just extorted him it will be like he deserved it
same wit pac
suge hung that white boy out the window who was bringing him millions
so u think he got pac out of jail and wasnt in his pockets??
and suge pushed that beef wit puff bcuz his man got killed at puff event in atl
big and pac was both good dudes got caught up with shady niggas period i doubt they had a real beef between the 2 besides they both couldnt do shit to help the other
pac was a true genius putting what he was going thru in his music without u really knowing but at the same time knowing well now anyway
and u think he wasnt set up in vegas by suge get real
in vegas u just dont get killed
and i wouldnt put it past puff to set his man up to save his ass
but i do feel he was hurt by it but still that dude shady u dont get the money these niggas got without being shady
and lets face it these rappers are not besides what we think gangsters just rappers none of em u getting money then putting niggas in front u dont make u a g they rappers thats why they rapping
and lets stop knocking em for not being that thats why they keep dying tryna be that shit let them tell they story and roll
bcuz i hear pac was gangster then we say 50 is pussy for being shot and not shooting well let me refresh ur brain pac was shot up too without shooting back so let these niggas just live they all great for there own reason and if u got something ignorant to say plz just save it im not on that shit wit this one ,catch me in the rumors section (0=
March 20, 2008 11:38 AM
 

ALX said:

Any 1 involved in the tupac shooting should suck dicks in HELL

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March 20, 2008 11:45 AM
 

playa629 said:

NYGA07...Cosign everything you said, up until your last paragraph.

Dig a little deeper and you will see that Pac actually shot TWO WHITE OFF-DUTY Cops in GA and ended up getting off of the charges.  He saw these two cops messing with a black man so he decided to start videotaping the shit. When the cops got mad and stepped to Pac, they pulled out guns and Pac told them if you shoot you better hit me...They didnt shoot, but Pac pulled out and shot em...Im pretty sure thats how the story goes, but Dude def. shot these two cops and got away with it.

Pac didnt start having a "gangster" image until he was doing the Juice movie and ended up meeting Haitan Jack and Jimmy Henchmen.  Haitan Jack was running around doing crazy stupid stuff and Pac thought he was the real gangsta and Henchmen was his sidekick, meanwhile the exact opposite was true. Henchmen was the real "G", and after Pac kept doing crazy shit, he found out the hard way...Real Talk. RIP Pac and Big.
March 20, 2008 12:02 PM
 

v4vendetta said:

basically the call went to Puff..

"Look nigga, it's either you fork over your body or Big's"?

James Sabatino was tied to Puff, Jimmy, Suge and most likely the FEDS. Too many suburban white kids buying rap and you know, we need to give it a black eye! There are too many other reasons and convoluted ties why this scenario had to play out. Space will not permit. If you file a FOIA request for those documents relating to the PAC/Biggie shootings, it will blow your friggin mind who's who.. My book is on the way.
March 20, 2008 1:03 PM
 

v4vendetta said:

Then to see that bi*ch ass ni99a dancing in a tribute to BIG off of a stolen Sting song and an exploited Faith singing the hook, I wanted to vomit!!

This industry needs a purging!!

March 20, 2008 1:14 PM
 

nyga07 said:

@playa679
oh nah i know about that shooting and it wasnt to try and take anything away from pac
i was just tryna make a point about u not having to be gangster to shoot a ma fucker lol
shit gangster is in all forms
all theses single moms who raise 5 bad ass kids
to the regular dude who just work everyday or the fathers that actually take care of they kids real is just real shit sometimes it takes more of a man to just walk away and so forth and so on i just feel its sad when u think a person has to justify his g to another man by throwing his life away
but u right i shoulda metioned how he popped them to bitch ass off duty cops who was beating the shit out of another man
shit pac was gangster for just being pac with out a shooting and all that and i've seen that boy give a speech and he was farrrrrrrrrrrrr more than just a rapper
and yes henchmen was a real g dude did it thru the 80's 90's and now the 2g's
March 20, 2008 2:42 PM
 

nyga07 said:

and @v4vendetta lol lmao yeah faith was a damn fool 4 that
i wanna know when that book drop
March 20, 2008 2:44 PM
 

Body Snatcher said:

All i know is i will forever name Suge Knight in all this
March 20, 2008 3:46 PM
 

Body Snatcher said:

All i know is i will forever name Suge Knight in all this
March 20, 2008 3:46 PM
 

Kris King said:

M O B
March 20, 2008 4:41 PM
 

BULLCITY FELLA said:

whoever dude is he's creating a buzz for himself now, that's for sure.....find the killer(s) and all the lines will connect in this elaborate-aze conspiracy theory.....right now all we got is two dead soldiers and two families still trying to get answers.....CHUUURCH.!!!
March 20, 2008 5:14 PM
 

tidyga said:

nobody talking about the fact that Orlando Anderson was present on the night on both murders, and communicated with both artists prior to their deaths....

Who was Orlando working for???
March 20, 2008 8:32 PM
 

H-Town 281 said:

Orlando was dead when B.I.G died. I think until they have some proof they should leave this shit alone. All you tough guys on here wishing another black man get locked up. What happen to all the tough talk? Oh! Because it is Tupac it is okay to be a  snitch bitch. It is never okay to snitch even if it is Tupac, yall did not know that nigga anyway. He died just like nigga's i know died. What make him so fucking special, yall sound like a pack of bitches mourning a nigga yall never met.  
March 21, 2008 12:19 PM
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