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Wu Tang Clan: 8 Diagrams 
Published Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:10 AM
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By Jason Newman

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Wu-Tang Clan’s first album since 2001 is already shrouded in controversy and legend. The Clan is at a strange crossroads as infighting plays out in real-time through back and forth interviews and videos. With that said, it’s hard not to feel a chicken or egg scenario when listening to their new opus 8 Diagrams (SRC). Does the lack of cohesiveness found throughout the album bolster and prove some of the member’s claims of friction? Or does hearing those claims manipulate you into hearing something that doesn’t exist? Fans of the Wu would love to believe the latter, but while the album contains its share of gold, the former ultimately prevails.

 

This isn’t to say the members don’t shine. Ghostface continues his ability to adapt his flow to any beat possible, while Method Man sounds inspired and determined throughout the album. That energy is not always shared by all the swordsmen, as verses from GZA’s on “Starter” or Raekwon’s on “Weak Spot” sound phoned in. It's as if the talent of the group, which once played off each other and grew, is now being passed around in some bizarre Hip-Hop zero-sum game.

 

With guitars implemented in nearly half of the tracks, its’ use alternates between ominous (“Weak Spot”) and soaring (“Sunlight”). Don’t get it twisted though, RZA who produce most of the album, avoids any forced Rap/Rock collaborations and uses the instrument as an effective minimalist addition. John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers plays with restrained excellence which supplements, and doesn’t dominate, both “Heart Gently Weeps” and “Windmill.”

 

Musically 8 Diagrams is arguably RZA’s most diverse group of beats, ranging from circus/horror movie strings on “Rushing Elephants” to the snake-charmer, ragtime-inspired horn driven “Starter,” to dirty funk guitar lick laden “Take It Back.” The album’s consistent diversity, unlike the consistent grittiness of say, a 36 Chambers or consistent electro-funk of Bobby Digital in Stereo, will either fully elate or frustrate the listener.

 

It’s probably not a coincidence that the strongest effort “Life Changes” sees everyone minus Ghost join together for a eulogy of sorts to Ol’ Dirty Bastard. Over a slow soulful sample, each member shares their thoughts and memories on Dirt Dog. It’s hard to hear GZA rhyme, “I cried like a baby on the way to his place of death/Hate not being here the minutes before he left/Now I’m in the booth ten feet from where he lay dead/I think about him on the song and what he might have said,” without getting a little choked up. Given the group’s current situation, this tribute is proof that the eight remaining members of one of Hip-Hop’s greatest groups can still sound like a team. If only it took less than tragedy to regularly make that happen.


Comments

 

Shawon said:

First!  My first first!
November 28, 2007 2:22 AM
 

the problem child said:

i'm second not sure what to think???? but im definitely pickin this album up
November 28, 2007 2:53 AM
 

daz156 said:

PICKIN IT UP ASAP
WU TANG WU TANG WU TANG

FOREVER
November 28, 2007 5:22 AM
 

Code of Iron said:

there are some hot tracks on this album but it isnt the WU we know and love. the beats are a little too diverse and with the exception of ghost and meth. everyone else seems uninspired and outdated. cappadonna is garbage as usual, raekwon shines sporadically, no  ODB. masta killa, inspecah deck and gza are basically lyrical filler and who ever cared about U-God. all in all its not traditional WU-tang but its still better and more inspired and imaginitive then 85% of the garbage you hear today.
November 28, 2007 5:33 AM
 

EMS the Gawd said:

life changes is butt, that song sound like its about somebody they barely knew, contrived
November 28, 2007 5:40 AM
 

biggmike03 said:

the albums cool but not the wu they used to be. they really didn't go in like they were suppose to.
November 28, 2007 7:00 AM
 

baltimoreson3000 said:

@Code....damn..u stole a lot of my words..lol. It's not a bad album on a whole...I think Meth and Ghost shine the most.  Disappointed that there's no Masta Killa on there...he's never been all over Wu albums but his appearances are usually strong..they'll never recreate 36 Chambers of course...but they can come better than this..kinda lends to the theory of Rae that they werent feeling this album
November 28, 2007 9:57 AM
 

xburnoutz said:

how do these ratings work? This got 7/10 stars.

Camron's mixtape got 8. Is this really not better than that breakup card?
November 28, 2007 11:02 AM
 

Boss Up said:

'Black People 1'
where u at?

u've been waitin for this
November 28, 2007 11:48 AM
 

kenny1234 said:

THIS THE WORST ALBUM BY WU AND ALL YEAR GHOSTFACE AND RAE PLEASE SAVE YOURSELF
November 28, 2007 1:32 PM
 

Da Common Cauze said:

I FUCKS WITH THE WU FOREVER

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November 28, 2007 4:22 PM
 

shynebb4life said:

..this review boy Jason Newman gonna get his head smacked with some liquid swords...7/10....jim jones,camron and other clowns gets more than Wu?!?.....who knows where he lives?will pay cash.....
November 28, 2007 6:26 PM
 

shynebb4life said:

..at least 4 joints is ''bunker busters''...campfire,gun will go,weak spot,rushing elephants......nowadays albums have 1 or max 2 bangers....wu has at least 5.....theres enough ammunition for all these fake wut it do/my grillz typa fools..period...point blank


WU music is needs to listen over and over again to understand their genius....


am making new entry in Wikipedia definition of word FOOL=Jason Newman=CLOWN WHO GAVE WU 7/10
November 28, 2007 7:44 PM
 

PreciseChi said:

The Wu is Forever....come hear "Get Back Up" featuring Cappadonna from the Wu....http://www.mspace.com/precisesoundz
November 28, 2007 9:50 PM
 

SHWELL said:

This album will be a classic... The way things sound on all these interviews, I believe this will be the last joint Wu venture.... Money is a terrible drug....

Rza has grown as well as everyone else.. They all have growth and you can hear it in most of their music these days.. I think the problem with their current situation is that they all have an idea of what Wu should sound like, but the RZA owns the brand and  therefore has alot of control over the final sound..... The Collective hunger is gone and you can def hear it in the music they release as the WU.. The individual projects mirror the individual emotions, but this record lacks that focus..... This album will be loved by many, liked by most, and hated by fans of certain individual styles.....


But please buy this album and support the art...... The Big Doe Rehab, and built for Cuban Linx II will be def bangas as well.... Wu, Wu-Tang Forever Muthafuckas..... All my Niggas and Niggettes......... Peace to the Gods an the Earths.......
November 29, 2007 6:43 AM
 

SHWELL said:

The ratings are on an individual opinion by diff individuals...... To give cam an 8 on a mixtape release kills all credability... A mixtape! We talkin bout a Mixtape! A Mixtape!.... Get the Fug Outa here! This dude should be fired for this shit... And the Editor as well.......

If his rating is based off of previous WU shit, then maybe, but if it based on he competition, I'll pull the trigger on this bootleg Nigga myself.......  
November 29, 2007 6:48 AM
 

Demsky said:

Fuck what a review say Im coppin this joint and the solo's regardless
November 29, 2007 9:11 AM
 

scholar emcee said:

WU-Tang is Forever!!! MOTHERFUCKERS!!!
November 29, 2007 9:45 AM
 

Eddy C aka Ed Sizzaleen said:

I HEARD THE ALBUM!!

It's better than the W and Iron flag. That's for damn sure!! And how come no one is talking about "Tar Pit!" That song's got that grimey classic Wu Sound to me.  It's not there best work. but you have to expect that.  And definitely better than a lot of garbage that's out there. I just wish RZA would get back into hardcore sampling. I downloaded it but Im still gonna cop it.
November 29, 2007 10:51 AM
 

da bul Reef said:

SHIT IS TRASH!!!!! DESE NIGGAS NEED 2 KICK RZA OUT DA GROUP, HIS BEATS AINT BANGIN NO MORE!!! ON SOME JOINTS, U CAN HEAR HOW RAEKWON AINT FEELIN DA BEAT HE SPITTIN ON!! THEY FUCKED UP DEY LEGACY WIT DIS BULLSHIT!!!
November 29, 2007 10:59 AM
 

BKsDrDRE said:

Wu-tang  is for the children! I'm buy'n it!!
November 29, 2007 11:18 AM
 

Profit101 said:

This album will be fire

I will have the review up at:

http://livehip-hop.blogspot.com/

Check it out now for the latest info.
November 29, 2007 11:20 AM
 

Squareone1 said:

To shynebb4life: That's a fucked up pic you got there...Should had been bin laden w/ Giulliani, but whatever Repub...

Haven't heard the album yet, because I refuse to, until I get it in my hands in a couple weeks. So far the shit I've read niggaz really hate it or like it, there's no in between. I didn't like American Gangster when I first heard it, now I can't stop playing it, so maybe after a few spins, it'll grow on you. Even Rza said it took Gza a couple weeks to say "this is the one, we got it!" so give it some time to digest.

And I have to defend cappa and u god, niggaz have you heard "Winter Warz" off Ironman. Arguably the best fucking verse of the 90's cappa spit on that shit...

You heard of the rasp before but kept waitin
for the sun of song, I keep dancehalls strong
Beats never worthy of my cause, I prolong
Extravangza, time sits still
No propoganda, be wary of the skill
As I bring forth the music, make love to your eardrum
Dedicated to rap nigga beware of the fearsome
Lebanon Don, Malcolm X beat threat
CD massacre, murder to cassette
I blow the shop up, you ain't seen nuttin yet
One man ran, tryin to get away from it
Put your bifocal on, watch me a-cometh
into your chamber like Freddy enter dream
Discombumberate your technique and your scheme
Four course applause, like a black dat to dat
You're stuck on stupid like I'm stuck on the map
Nowhere to go except next show bro
Entertainin motherfuckers can't stop O
in battlin, you don't want me to start tattlin
All upon the stage cause y'all snakes keep rattlin
Bitch, you ain't got nothin on the rich
Every other day my whole dress code switch
So just in case you want to clock me like Sherry
All y'all crab bitches ain't got to worry
Can't get a nigga like Don dime a dozen
Even if I'm smoked out I can't be scoped out
I'm too ill, I represent Park Hill
See my face on the twenty dollar bill
Cash it in, and get ten dollars back
The fat LP with Cappachino on the wax
Pass it in your think, put valve up to twelve
Put all the other LP's back on the shelf
And smoke a blunt, and dial 9-1-7
1-6-0-4-9-3-11
And you could get long dick hip-hop affection
I damage any MC who step in my direction
I'm Staten Island's best son fuck what you heard
Niggaz still talkin that shit is absurd
My repotoire, is U.S.S.R.
P.L.O. style got thrown out the car
and ran over, by the Method Man jeep
Divine can't define my style is so deep
like pussy, my low cut fade stay bushy
like a porcupine, I part backs like a spine
Cut you like a blunt and reconstruct your design
I know you want to diss me, but I can read your mind
Cuz you weak in the knees, like SWV
Tryin to get a title like Wu Killa Bee
Kid change your habit, you know I'm friends with the Abbott
Me and RZA ridin name printed in the tablet
under vets, we paid our debts for mad years
Hibernate the sound, and now we out like beers
and blunt power, born physically power speakin
The truth in the song be the pro-black teachin...

And U God had a dope solo album, Golden Arms, I still listen to that shit....U God comes off when the beats are dope, so I would never classify him the soljah boy, boosie, mims rappers of wack...

Fuck that Buying this and BigDoe Rehab!

CAN I GET A SUUUUUUUUUuu!!!!!!!!!
November 29, 2007 12:28 PM
 

Nuyawker said:

I dont doubt some of the wu's cats sound dated but this is gonna be an album worth checking out!
November 29, 2007 10:12 PM
 

bellzofwar said:

PEACE WU TANG CLAN. DOWN SOUTH LOVING WU TANG, SCREAMING DIRTY SOUTH.
November 29, 2007 11:04 PM
 

darrick72 said:

I'm scared now.  I've been expecting this since the W.  That was where the Rza and the Wu split paths.  Nothing lasts forever.  As far as being "one of" the best groups, puh-leeze.  Deep Space Nine is the definition of a hip-hop group.
November 30, 2007 6:29 AM
 

OneMannGang said:

Wu is fuckin Wu.  No way to define them otherwize.  As far as dude above me addressing "deep space nine".... I own 1,400 -HIPHOP- CD's and I've never, ever even heard of it... but whatever.... W.T.C.A.N.T.F.W.!!!
November 30, 2007 6:30 PM
 

illRoots » Blog Archive » Eight Diagram Pole Fighters said:

December 2, 2007 9:26 PM
 

SHWELL said:

I just heard 8 Diagrams.... I am glad Ghost is puttin sumthin out now... 8 Diag is a good album, and you will all hear what Rae and Ghost is speakin on when they say the album aint Wu.....  It is a good album, but it def has a sound that is kinda too mature (I am not sure how to explain it)... RZA was def on some guitar shit... It starts off hard and then it kinda fizzles to some unknown soundin sh!t.... But Meth killed that abum Lyrically! I mean every verse he did was pure Hip-Hop Fiyah! Meth was on some serious sh!t for this album...... Some of the tracks have unecessary guitar (Or something) elements, and for a pure listener, it fucks up the flow of the song... Not saying that they are terrible, but it just didn't feel right... When you hear the album, come back to this and fill in the blanks on how ya'll feel about the joint.

Every Wu member made Wu as big as it is, and no one member has been able to emulate the success of the collective, therefore no one member knows what is the best "WU" sound..... When you hear the album you will understand these comments......
December 2, 2007 9:40 PM
 

RHiNo... said:

Half of the albums tracks are bangers..."Wolves" and "Stick Me For My Riches" are probably the best tracks...8 Diagrams is a good Wu album...even with all of the in-fighting going on right now..Imagine what kind of an album they would put out if they could put their differences aside...Still gonna buy it of course...Gonna go buy the GFK album right now...
December 4, 2007 10:01 PM
 

BKsDrDRE said:

I was a little disappointed but its still the WU!
December 6, 2007 1:06 PM
 

Hip Hop » The Dream Could Sue Jay? Bow Wow Goes Off? Common and Serena CHILL! said:

December 14, 2007 1:37 AM
 

T.N.R. said:

I never thought I'd hear another wu collective on a major so shout out to them for getting that part done.

Niggas are hating on the clan but dig this they have no national radio single or video out  and are still the biggest thing in music this week in the fourth quater thats gods work right there recognize that.  

Mef and Ghost are standouts on this and its time for them to raise the iron flag on solo joints to bring back the reason we all loved wu.

cuban linx II is a legened and it aint even drop.

but at the end of the day theres two dominant styles in the clan you got the rza gza deck masta and you got mef ghost and rae u god is trash

they need seperate factions. id love to hear ghost and his affiliades (lox / TU) mef and red and rae / busta combined into 1 joint

juut like id love to hear a rza / gza joint the clan needs to just think outside the box a little

but the album is made for niggas like me fuck you if you dont like it Wu Tang Mother Fucker
December 15, 2007 3:10 AM
 

T.N.R. said:

I never thought I'd hear another wu collective on a major so shout out to them for getting that part done.

Niggas are hating on the clan but dig this they have no national radio single or video out  and are still the biggest thing in music this week in the fourth quater thats gods work right there recognize that.  

Mef and Ghost are standouts on this and its time for them to raise the iron flag on solo joints to bring back the reason we all loved wu.

cuban linx II is a legened and it aint even drop.

but at the end of the day theres two dominant styles in the clan you got the rza gza deck masta and you got mef ghost and rae u god is trash

they need seperate factions. id love to hear ghost and his affiliades (lox / TU) mef and red and rae / busta combined into 1 joint

juut like id love to hear a rza / gza joint the clan needs to just think outside the box a little

but the album is made for niggas like me fuck you if you dont like it Wu Tang Mother Fucker
December 15, 2007 3:10 AM
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