October 18, 2013 by DJ V.I.P. (@djvip510) Headlines, Multimedia / Video. via @djvip510 ZUBU Whoever this Schoolboy is did not articulate himself very well IMO. All he said was that The Lord Jamar was racist, and ignorant. Comparing hip hop to basketball, football, baseball? Blacks were involved in all of the above from the inception, we were just exluded, banished, etc. Yet we did own and operate our own leagues in all of the aforementioned sports. Heck some of the early Kentucky Derby jockeys were blacks, then they excluded us. Lord J is right they are guests in many ways, heck they stole Rock & Roll now they want to steal this. Often they go where the money does. Blues, R&B, Rap, Break Dancing, OMG Twerking LMAO, they can have that ssshhiittt….. digitallife While I agree with you on alot of these points let’s not act like it was only black people with Herc at them park parties…hip-hop from day one was multicultural. The founders of this genre will be the first to say it themselves, when Bambatta brought hip-hop downtown it wasn’t only a black audience he was playing it for in 1980. W.E.B. Du Bois We dis-agree with you – Schoolboy Q Did articulate himself well, and he was Right – he spoke bluntly, and to-the-point digitallife You replied to the wrong person bro W.E.B. Du Bois digitallife – my bad homie – hitting the “reply” word is the only way I know to make my comment follow next – gotta go back to saying a name of who I’m talking to – ZUBU ZUBU Just wondering, did you listen to the fulll Jamar interview? Or just the sensationalized sound bites? IJS…… W.E.B. Du Bois ZUBU – I listened to what’s posted here – that’s what we’re talking about ZUBU OK, lets start from the top: Schoolboy was asked questions in regard to what Lord J said in an interview; Schoolboy responded; now we all are here commenting on his response. So my question to YOU once again did you list to Lord J’s interview? If not how can you possibly form an opinion on a topic that you’re illinformed about? ZUBU Bro, When Herc and them started it was essentially people of color bacause that’s all that was in the hood circa early 70’s. Neighborhoods were basically still segregated, now multicultural I concur blacks, latinos, but from my understanding whites were not privy to these events. Now by the 80’s with Africka Bam yes I agree whites had begun to come on the scene. My point being for decades generes we have created have been stolen. Reasons why artists like Little Richard, Chuck Berry, etc. all claim that the Elvis Presly, Buddy Holly, etc stole from them. digitallife With all due respect my brother i’m not trying to get into an argument i’m just trying to share with you a facet of the music’s origin i’ve seen people mistakenly dismiss. You need to go back to the 70’s and look at not the hood that’s there now but the hood that was there then. Italians, irish, polish, and even the British have lived in hordes within the borough of the bronx. It wasn’t until the crack epidemic of the 80’s that these people left those neighborhoods. So yeah there were projects where Herc spun breakbeats but what was across the street? Tenements…full of white folks, blacks,latinos, etc..those neighborhoods were only segregated in the fashion you couldn’t date outside of your ethnic circle and the occasional racial tension over disrespect or whatever but those neighborhoods were definitely gentrified. You don’t have to take my word for it, the census reports on all those years are available on government sites if you want to review them. I don’t deny rock n roll was stolen by Elvis i’ve pissed off enough white people telling them that same thing but i’m not dismissive to the fact that hip-hop wasn’t like many people perceive it to be as an exclusive thing to certain shades of flesh because it wasn’t. In fact i’ll toss in there that disco where breakbeats originate from wasn’t a favorite amongst people in the hood, so the influence to use breakbeats slowed down was experimental and you can’t play disco on the streets in the 70’s with white folks around and not expect them to not want to be part of the party. There are also an abundance of famous photographers from that era that have bunches of pics you can see online that will show you white folks at them parties too. Rent parties? Not so much but park parties? Definitely. pauleyPee White rappers participating in the culture is not like the new deal/post war era theft of black music. For one, artists like Berry and Little Richard actually had their records listened to by shady producers/opportunists, then shopped to the managers of white artists (as if the original music were just a demo), re-recorded by those white artists, and then re-released as if the new artist was the original artist… No money was paid to the original writer, no royalty attached; no type of compensation; nothing.That is distinctly different from how white artists participate in the culture now. Totally different. So, again… I think what Lord Jamar is saying is outrageous. If that’s the case, we, as black people should take off all of our clothes and re-dawn loin clothes and nose-bones, mutulate our daughters’ vaginas, and sacrifice children to … Because that’s part of our original schtick. Totally outrageous, right? Yeah, well that’s how LJ sounds. Jonathan Bacher you ait mr tunnelvision ? speedy37 This guy is jack ass. Ray vlad still instigating fights after all these years TRUTH Minista Paul Scott I would challenge SchoolboyQ to a debate over the merits of what Lord Jamar said versus his comments. Allhiphop lets make it happen. TRUTH MInista Paul Scott Militant Mind Militia Live Well Exactly. Q is way outta his league in this area. ZUBU Truth Minista, I’ve read some of your writings and peeped your site. AAH, set it up so Truth can set intellectual fire to Schoolboy’s ass! DJ7 Peace brotha….make it happen!!! I’m quite sure Lord Jamal would love the opportunity to take schoolboy to school…As for Vlad…I guess this dude hasn’t learned his lesson instigating trouble…time for another visit beezy On the one hand, it looks like Q is saying Jamar is saying something that Jamar did not say. Assuming Vlad’s quote of Jamar is accurate(did not verify), then Jamar’s description of white rappers as guests is not saying “stay out” because a guest is invited. Q incorrectly believes Jamar to be saying white people should be excluded from rap. I doubt that is what he meant. That is kind of ridiculous. But I also disagree with what Jamar’s statement(again, as told by Vlad) seems to imply which is that the person extending the hospitality to the guest reserves the right to kick the guest out. I’m not feeling that. You don’t maintain some general right over the art-form. It’s for everyone. PorchBoySlim Vlads quote is accurate…he actually sugar coated it a bit…Lord Jamar do be on some racist shit bruh…just peep his interviews DJ7 Do you even know the difference between bigotry and racism? Point me in the direction of documented evidence suggesting that black folks in America garnered the power to control what any another race did or does….I’ll wait…. artcryme99 i hear what ur sayin but i would describe that more as institutional racism. Just plain racism is viewing other races as inherently inferior, whereas bigotry = prejudice. For example whitey cant dance vs. whitey is the devil responsible for all evil. No question that Jamars beliefs are racist, but his racism doesnt carry the weight of a white in power, deliberately sabotaging black. `Personally i appreciate jamars music in the context of self empowerment even tho i dont agree with his ideology. Most of the best NY rappers were 5% but the new generation is not going for the religious dogma when the internet is there expose all that shit. The homo thug rapper is just the inevitable product of the prison lifestyle most of our favorites promoted. Tony G. We have to stop looking at things in terms of rap and look at them in terms of HIP HOP…hip hop is, was and always will be multicultural…not just the rapping aspect…but dj’ing, break dancing and graffiti…if we get out of the in the hood mentality and see what hip hop is on a global level we would see that its more than this shit that radio force feeds u everydya… Brooklyn Stoop its funny to me how when black people are excluded in things created by other races we will FIGHT to be apart of it. if we go to schools dominated by another race or is in a “high” position in a profession that was created by another race, WE the black people/person must conform or assimilate but other races can stroll in to something we create and control it, change it, flip it, add to or take away from it and all our dumb ass can say is “its for everybody”. what lord jamar was sayin is less about hip hop/music and more to do with the state of black people as a whole. clearly the 14th amendment is foreign to some black people if you dont “get” what lord jamar is saying. even our so called black organizations dont fight for blacks, they fight for minorities (white women, asians, indians, gays,blacks and others) and like claude anderson say, how can black people be the minority in cities they are the majority in? they fight for civil rights………….what do that even mean? they want us o be caught up in multiculturalism………..what do that even mean? but these groups DONT fight for black people, why? cause we are the only group in america that have a open door policy………….no one else no other group. look in your “community” and see how many non blacks have a business there, then go to they neighborhoods and see how many black businesses is there? NO ONE is multicultural to blacks, no other races is “we are the worldling” to black people. but lord jamar is racist………really school boy. an ignorant……….really school boy because he speaking of black people controlling something of ours for ONCE, not twice, not 3 times…..ours FOR ONCE. so its NOT racist that we dont own our creations and its not ignorant for school boy to think thats fine. its NOT strange that hip hop was created by black people and now the black people in hip hop culture must conform to another races view of what hip hop is. Chris Good sh*t, my G. Live Well Q heard what he wanted to hear. It’s easy to just discredit somebody’s point of view by calling them “ignorant” or “racist”. It’s a lot harder to actually deal with the facts. Hate it or love it, Lord Jamar was saying a lotta factual shit. Brindle perfectly said. I got respect for Q, but somewhat disappointed at the things he decides to take a stand on Jonathan Bacher like what mr shadowtalker Live Well Listen again, genius. ZUBU Bro, I don’t think a lot of people listened to Jamar’s interview they just took a couple of statements and based an opinion on sounds bites. His views on the Egyptians and the Greeks stealing their culture = factual. Ghostface equated to Action Bronson = factual. He dropped a bit of science if people can take the time to listen. Reasons why I said Schoolboy was off point, you can’t respond to 8:44 mins of dialouge with “he’s ignorant and racist.” Live Well Exactly, especially when it was supported with historical facts. If you wanna disagree with his premise then fine, but at least argue the points. DaHomey6Deuce Been in this discussion b4 and won’t do it again cause some will get it and some don’t..I’m gonna tell you know TDE will fight amongst themselves in 1 – 2 years. This dude right here is already jealous of Kendrick. Plus your on point with your comment..This nigga needs to be schooled, just like his name begs for it…. Live Well Yep. You can’t discredit a man that reads his history when you haven’t done the same. A teacher>>> A Schoolboy Jordan FU Wait the egyptians and greeks stealing whoses culture? Or do you mean the Greeks stealing the egyptians? Only reason i ask is tehre wasnt much culture sharing at that time in history, it still took f*cking forever to get anywhere else and your nationalitiy was way more important than today (as far as how you are viewed or treated). But yeah anyone can take somethign out of context and make it sound worse than it was. Like it or not the majority of rappers (by a large majority) are black, and then some hispanic, and a few are white. Its like arguing against the fact that the majority of basketball players are black. Take in the fact that black people make up something like 13% of the national population and just looking at the facts you would have to come to the conclusion that in general most professional basketball players are black, or at least are not white. David Gonz LORD JAMAR AND PROFESSOR GRIFF KNOW WHATS UP. THEY DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SELLIN RECORDS NO MORE. PROPS TO THEM FOR KEEPING IT REAL. Q IS STILL SELLIN HE GOTTA WATCH OUT FOR THE PINK MAFIA $18592567 Lord Jamar is like someone’s old school uncle that’s truly stuck in a time warp. Eminem, Rick Rubin and the Beasties are merely guests?gtfoh Brindle you sound dumb, young, emotional and possibly white. The 1st, 2nd and 4th options don’t usually interfere with humans accepting facts, but that 3rd one, that 3rd one will get you every time. $18592567 Hoe please… White folks are the reason rap music is big business. Jordan FU I dont think hes saying that you being white means you cant like rap or are a part of it. Reading his response hes just saying you sound like you are possibly white and offended (im white, its a little messed up thing to say but you might be overly sensitive to this issue). For the record i think Brindle is right, when emotions get involved to a level that it colors (no pun, just cant think of a better word for it) your opinion a certain way. And to be clear im not saying color as in skin color i mean the way it “paints” or “frames” your response a specific way. I think the 2nd is a big factor too Brin. I think most young people dont see things the way they are or refuse to accept that not everything is fair (for everyone, all races and both sexes). I know i was way wrong about my generation (im 28), i assumed as we get farther away from forced integration/over racism that racism by white people would decline (im just talking white people cause im white so i dont wanna speak on something i dont know for sure about). But i’ve found more and more that white people that are younger than me are MORE racist than people closer to my age. I dont know why, the internet has a big part of it because maybe its just showing racism more and more where as it used to be hidden more. But i’ve known people ive met through friends (who were white) that f*cking loved rap but still used the N word, and im talking ger ending to be specific so as bad and racist as you can be (verbally). Blows my mind, how do you love rap and then turn around and treat black people in racist ways (or atleast talk about them in privacy). And to be specific i dont mean these are white people who love like lets say just white rappers like eminem and whomever is white, but love black rappers, buy their cd’s go to their shows but talk shit about black people behind closed doors. Shit was amazing, im from Detroit and grew up with some black friends so its just something that would never pop into my mind to use, and not just cause i know black people but because i have good parents who taught me right. This scum ass 21 year old white kid who i had to get the f*ck away from for more than just his racism, but anytime anybody black would be on tv or on the radio or on a song he would be saying ignorant shit like spook, the n word (again GER ending, not that GA is cool for white people to use but GER is really as disrespectful as you can be verbally to anyone in my opinion). I dont get why either, cause he grew up in Kirkland Washington which is largely white, Indian (as in form India, cause where he was living was where alot of Microsoft employees would buy houses cause its close to one of their headquarters)). But the point is he doesnt even have the bullshit excuse like he got picked on by black people or beat up by black people to fall back on (which again isnt an excuse for racism, nobody represents an entire race of people). All i can think is hes very stupid (which he is, one of the dumbest fucks ive met in my entire life), and probably had really, REALLY bad parents or role models. Cause if your brought up with morals and a sense of whats right and wrong you know racist shit like im talking he said is wrong, you should know that innately really and not need someone to point it out to you. Sorry this is long but i got pissed cause i think people are getting butthurt about Jamars quote and taking it out of context or taking it like Jamar speaks for every black person into or involved in the rap industry. It should feel wrong to you, even if your quoting lyrics or singing a hook, it should still feel like nah i shouldnt be saying this. Black president or not im pretty sure racism is on the incline again for somereaso i wish i knew. $18592567 If it takes this many words to articulate yourself… Then you must be right.lol Jordan FU No i just am programmed to write long winded cause im used to having to write 30 page reports on the Wiemar (Weimar? I dont remember how to spell it, its that useless ass German government between ww1 and hitler) republic or other boring type subjects. They programmed me good, brevity is way better tho i admire people who can make their point in like a sentence or two and have it be smart. And on half the shit i do for a living they essentially pay you per word, well its not that straight forward but they want long ass documents usually. Its exciting shit too like how hotels get food from fisheries, wow it just oozes excitement. Dont take political science take something that will get you a job right when you graduate or else you feel like you just wasted thousand and thousands of dollars. People i feel bad for are like greek mythology majors, how the hell can there be that much need for someone to write about greek mythology? I assume it qualifies you to write books no one will read or teach. Only reason political science has any use is the word science. Cause politics doesnt pay dick to be honest and most of the jobs are obviously not consistent gigs. Brindle lot of these rap kats is just going along with the times to get a check (miley cyrus, justin beiber, pro gay, anti old school rap consciousness, etc). Every one is a fence rider now a days, no one takes a stand on much. apathy brings down all groups and societies. ZUBU Word! Well stated.. Dhz30 if u dont stand for somethin you’ll fall for anything Jordan FU Thats not original (as in you made it up) right? Who said that? If you made that up thats a good one, sounds like something a good speech writer would come up with for a president type. If its made up by you im wondering: Do you have a background in some form of writing/journalism? What level (GED. highschool, community college, college then the top level would be graduate school or a BA from an ivy league college, if your in America that is). Dhz30 Nah I didn’t make that up, it’s an old quote i heard in a song a while back. I can’t even remember who said it..probably Jada or Styles or somebody like that. Whether that rapper was the originator of the quote or not, I don’t know..definitely some real shit though, regardless of who came up with it. Jordan FU Yeah it sounds good, well good use of it anyhow. DJ7 No doubt….I find it difficult to comprehend why a black man would even entertain a question of this nature, coming from a known instigator, without consulting the actual source for clarification…division at work and this dud fell for it Brindle Wherever there is degeneration and apathy, there also is sexual perversion, cold depravity, miscarriage, premature old age, grumbling youth, there is a decline in the arts, indifference to science, and injustice in all its forms. -Anton Chekhov ItGoesDownINtheDM based on what school boy said yes they let us play in the nba but we had to conform to thier style of play …………………………. Josh Sykes Michael Jordan and many others say quite different Jordan FU Theres no way you are talking about blacks in professional basketball. The reason at the start that most where white was RACISM, until jackie robinson broke the color barrier in baseball all sports were all white simply because others who werent white were not allowed to play. Not in the same leagues. And how did blacks have to conform to a style of play? The only conforming to a style of play was/is based firstly on what works best at the time, whats most effective, and secondly what coaches were teaching/using as far as plays or play styles. Its crazy to say black werent allowed in the NBA simply because they didnt conform to “white” style of playing (we dont even have facts on that because again THEY WERENT ALLOWED to play due to racism and discrimination). Like i posted on the other reply, look at the percent of the US population that is black then look at the percent of professional basketball players are black. Guarentee they dont match or are close. Its something like 13 percent to i dont know ill make up a number 80 percent (its probably higher im just lowballing it so people dont agree with your thesis). illness this seems more like a battle between old school and new school again. Considering that School Boy Q comes from a different era than LJ, its no surprise to me that he feels that way. Question that I have is, why instigate some shit, VLAD, and why to folks keep falling for that divide and conquer BS ant662 how can ppl complain about racism yet fuel it themselves. if your going around saying racism still exist (which it does) but at the same time try and separate somebody out of something because of their skin color you shouldnt complain because u r part of the reason it still exist artcryme99 and lets not forget that Jamar was a thug character on one of the most homo shows ever. I guess it didnt bother him enuf to take a stand and turn down that bread and screen time Leo Heem I live in a reality of endless possibilities. I have the choice to fight it or go along with it. I spend my life getting influenced by information, whether it is a philosopher, scholar, rapper or historical occurrences that pertain to the way I want to view the world. Once I’m validated by the influences, I start living my life by these guidelines and I can proceed to alienate any adverse opinion that defies mine which will constantly keep categorizing me into a smaller group until I am the only one in the group. Why am I the only one? Because the minutest change in any perception of one’s spectrum can alter opinion. And I am the truth because history shows that I am, so I will not conform to the current mentality or any that slightly differs from mine even if there’s a 99% similarity ( almost doesn’t count ask Brandy ) right? Wrong. I also am Hip Hop from the golden era. We separated Hip Hop from rap back then (RAP IS SOMETHING YOU DO, HIP HOP IS SOMETHING YOU LIVE- KRS-1) but there ends the similarities. So now I’m out the club? I’m not black, I’m South American and Mexican Indian born and raised in the same poverty stricken parts of the USA. I’m from the early eighties throwing rocks at the crazy ladies. So the have not’s are about race? There is not one black man in Scarface, but that is a major influence in hip hop. Rick Rubin is one of the most influential people responsible for the rise of Hip Hop. Eminem was not part of the haves. And the hood is filled with gays. They do it for the rich gays? We had a gay rapper list back when Wendy Williams was on Hot 97. My neighbor in Bushwick had a gay son that had to live in Jersey because he wouldn’t accept him. Many gay kids had to go through that in the hood because of ignorance? Hip hop is an open source American culture. Ain’t nobody gone tell me I’m a guest of something that I’ve been a part of since its existence. Now I see why Puba left his dumb ass back in the days, Sadat was neutral. Don’t mix up your religion with my culture. Hip Hop is not your house that 5% god body shit is. And not to offend anyone else, I believe in a lot of the 5% knowledge, but he offended me with this shit here. Egyptian civilization and Greek civilization were separated by hundreds of years. Osiris, Zeus, Jesus-same thing different name for a different time. How does that tie in? It has nothing to do with Ghost and Bronson, he just bit his style. Jamar is just an Oswald Bates. I’m glad this new generation has more empathy than mine, it means we’re evolving. Young Lou Why is Schoolboy Q getting so many interviews? This dude is not even a good rapper and who the f*ck is he to speak on Lord Jamar? Ain’t that a b*tch!!!