It aint all tea cups, red telephone boxes and Buckingham Palace out here, Dizzee Rascal spat when addressing the myth around the idyllic life in the United Kingdom. There is a darker, dirtier side that outsiders may not know about when it comes to the UK and nothing epitomizes this secreted aspect more than Grime music. Born out of a combination of Hip-Hop, 2-step Garage, Drum & Bass and Dancehall, Grime music has seized the minds of a generation of youth who live lives far from what is portrayed on the postcard.No one comes close to embodying what Grime is about more than Wiley. After coming through the Drum & Bass and Garage scenes, Richard Wiley Cowie helped create not only a music scene, but has laid the foundations of a whole movement that has seen him secure various record deals, as well as bring through talent such as his Roll Deep and Boy Better Know crews and he even discovered a young Dizzee Rascal before they parted on bad terms. The 29 year-old MC is finally tasting mainstream success with Wearing My Rolex. The song shuns Wileys grimier background in favor of a more commercial electro sound, which has been A-listed on BBC Radio (a surefire way of guaranteeing a hit single), as well as topping the iTunes video chart. So does this signal a new path for the UK vet? Wiley explains why he will never turn his back on a scene he has helped build.AllHipHop.com: So Wiley, theres a huge hype on the Wearing My Rolex single right now, hows it all going?Wiley: Ive been trying to work on the second single [Rolex Sweep] so we dont lose the momentum. Thats in Skeptas name, so well do that on this label and then Ive gotta get the Boy Better Know album [VIP] together so were gonna turn this Wiley situation into a Boy Better Know album situation via mine and Skeptas singles, because Boy Better Knows quite a powerful thing at the moment and I didnt wanna go all the way on a major on my own.AllHipHop.com: How come you dont wanna go it alone?Wiley: I look at it like that sometimes, thinking I can go through the door on my own, but why would I want to? I dont really want to. Whether its me with Skepta and JME for Boy Better Know, or if its Roll Deep. Dizzee is on his own a lot. Thats not really me, Ill be honest.AllHipHop.com: The label are saying theyre hoping for top 10? So thats a good look Wiley: [Interrupts] Yeah, no I dont care, I dont care. Yeah I dont care, I dont care. Its not Grime is it? I dont care. Its just something I done on the 18th of January because I was using my brain and its turned out that it could be a top 10, its gonna make me that money and put me in the top position but then the next time you see me with a Wiley album it will be so Grime. Grime in the charts. Thats what Im aiming at.AllHipHop.com: So youre not that bothered about Wearing My Rolex? You dont seem excited by it doing well.Wiley: I am excited, but I dont want people to think, Ahh thats all you can do now. Cause I will shut down as soon as you think that. Thats not all I can do. I can do anything I want now. Like when I hear Jay-Z on any tempo, hes still the same person and hes still Hip-Hop. Thats what Im trying to master now before I reach 30 so no one cant say, Thats not Grime. Thats what time Im at.AllHipHop.com: Did you intentionally set out to make something that was going to be accepted for the charts?Wiley: No this is what it is. Bless Beats made that beat with the sample in it and hes played it to me a couple of times and I could see some money in that tune. So Ive did that, sent it out to the DJs. After about two to three days later it was getting played on the radio. Four to five days later it was getting played a bit more. After about seven days the label approached me about wanting to sign it. So then we went to the office, got that signed and since then Ive just been making more Grime. AllHipHop.com: Yeah youve got the underground album Grime Wave dropping next month and youve also stated that youre working on a project called Race Against Time. What can you tell us about them both?Wiley: Grime Wave is a project I have been working on since my last album [Playtime Is Over] come out, Race Against Time is what I started when I realised, that Grime Wave could have been my [equivalent of Dizzee Rascals] Boy In Da Corner. But regardless it still needed to come out, so I decided on 12 tunes to go on Grime Wave, moved a few of the best songs on to Race Against Time, and then just started making loads of new ones. So now Race Against Time is 13 Grime tunes. 13 good Grime tunes, that if I do em properly, mix em all down and get all the right people on em, it could go like that (raises arm to the sky in a rocket motion). But I cant stop making tunes for it until it gets signed cause the sound may change.AllHipHop.com: How do you feel about the Grime scene at the moment. A few people have even been saying Grime is dead?Wiley: The "Grime is dead" thing is just a trick cause obviously it will flush out anyone who doesnt wanna do it anymore. If youre in Grime and suddenly everyone says, Grime is dead, I wanna go Funky [House], then everyone will go Funky, but the people who dont think its dead will remain and then itll just be all the good people and no rubbish people and thats when itll go even furtherAllHipHop.Com: How fast do you see Grime progressing?Wiley: Not very fast. Hip-Hops taken 30 years to get to where it is. Grimes a similar thing so you know its gonna take a bit of time, but the day is very near. You wont see a big Grime concert in Wembley yet. Like there could be a concert right now, you wouldnt have to call it Grime, but it could have a powerful 30 minutes from Kano, a powerful 30 minutes from Lethal, a powerful 30 minutes from Dizzee and a powerful 30 minutes from Wiley. Our own Summer Jam. Skepta as well. Theres at least five or six artists who could give a powerful show. But obviously the different managers dont want it and its all silly and all the dreams that we as the artists dream of individually like, Rah imagine if we was all on the stage one after another.AllHipHop.com: Dont you feel like you, as Wiley, have the power to do that?Wiley: No. Ive brought people together through spirit and blood but I cant ring Dizzee now and be like, You know what Dyl [Dizzee], were gonna do a concert next month you put 20 down, Ill put 20, Kano puts 20 or whatever, lets go and do this. Cause each person has been put into their own cocoon to believe that they are the best, there is no one else above them and no one can chat to them, which is very bad, cause even though weve all thought that at times, as you get older you will sit down and think. I think, Why aint I done a tune with Dylan [Dizzee]? Back in the day I wasnt even ready to do a tune with him cause he was more of a songwriter, he was much better than me. But today if he said to me, Come on Wiley, lets do a tune, write a verse. Id write a verse to match his verse and the song would be the best. What I never had then, he had it, then he gave it to me, but we werent together anymore. So thats mad. So now Im like, Dizzee I can do what you was trying to show me, but youre not here. So now Im just doing it with other people in the scene, when in actual fact if we was in the same studio itd be the best thing I swear, cause I really could not do it back then, I could have, but I just was lazy or something. AllHipHop.com: Do you think it could ever happen?Wiley: Im 29 so he must be about 23 now. So time does pass. You cant hate someone forever, especially if you aint had a real reason to fall out. Theres people Ive hated, then one day Ive seen them again and its nothing. Hopefully that can happen cause I want him to know that, before he was trying to show me the thing and now I know. Its mad.AllHipHop.Com: Do you think the amount of negative things said in Grime songs holds it back from getting to the mainstream?Wiley: I always understood that the only way forward was being positive. Ive never seen negative people get far, thats why even if Im on this tune and Ive spoken about someone trying to pull a gun out on me and trying to shoot me, Ill try and mask it so that I dont sound ignorant with it. My dad taught me that still. And a lot of people lie. But you know what though, the world is a lie. You can tell when someones lying. If a boys on a track talking about whatever, you and I both know when hes lying or not. You can tell. Look at Eminem. Hes really good. But you know in your heart, for him to be that good, he isnt the murderer he says he is on his tracks cause hes concentrating on being a good MC. Obviously a mass murderer would be good at murdering, or in jail.AllHipHop.com: And though you do have street lyrics, the majority of them relate to experiences youve been through, rather than just what might be going on in the hood.Wiley: Again, this is Dizzee bruv. Dizzee taught me one thing; If youre not talking about something that youre going through, or where youre coming from, then what are you talking about? That is why Boy In Da Corner was what it was. Its the real reason why grime was accepted the first time. It was a very strong, detailed, powerful, meaningful album bruv and I listen to it some days, and I always think to myself, "Ive never made my own Boy In Da Corner but with Race Against Time I am gonna now."AllHipHop.com: What do you think about the latest wave of artists in the scene? At one point you were putting together a collective for your Eskibeat label, but nothing seems to have come to fruition. Wiley: I believe that Ice Kid is very powerful. He could sit on that computer and make a beat, he can write songs, hes very smart, he can do anything and I look at him and think, "Hes the one." Ice Kid, Chipmunk and Maverick; them three kids. Ive got love for them .and Little Dee. But now Ive sent Little Dee to Roll Deep so hes with the big boys where he should be, but those three kids are special. That is why I tried to put my heart and soul into them three. But what happened was other people got into their heads. Which is not bad, cause other people got into my head and that is why I am Wiley today. So theyll learn as well. AllHipHop.com: Do you ever feel like a talent scout for the scene?Wiley: You could say that. Im always looking for new talent to share energy with. But a few people have said thats the reason for my downfall cause if youre always looking for new talent, it means that sometimes youre not concentrating on yourself so you need to balance it.AllHipHop.com: I think there was a time when you were very wary of what was going on around you and you felt like a target almost. Is that still the case?Wiley: I dont look over my shoulder anymore. I used to. Now I just think that life is life and whatever will happen will happen. And if you steer clear, it wont happen. AllHipHop.com: So what are you working on apart from your solo projects?Wiley: The Roll Deep second album is almost done. Weve got 19 tunes that have been recorded silently. For the Boy Better Know album, weve got about eight tunes done, and were gonna go for a 12 track thing with elements of me, JME, Skepta and Frisco, but thats an album that can go. Its fresh and hasnt got any thing negative associated with it. Roll Deeps had some issues, but nothing too tough. Theyve sold probably 90,000 albums which is more than Ive sold as Wiley, so theyll be liable to get another situation going, and theres a few singles in that project.AllHipHop.com: And finally, who are your top 5 grime MCs?Wiley: Skepta, JME, Kano, Dizzee Rascal and Ice Kid AllHipHop.Com: Any last words?Wiley: Grime Wave is out May 5th. Follow whats going on. Grime will get there one day.