When keeping it real goes right, there was Willie D. The most outspoken Geto Boy, Willie spoke bluntly about race, class, sex, and money. The Houston rapper suffered for this. His loved by few, hated by many attitude spent years in the shadows of GB brother, Scarface. But 20 years later, Willie has never bit his tongue.
In a Midtown Manhattan hotel room, Willie D returns to New York armed with a passionate mission to rebuild his career. In between meetings with distribution companies and record labels, Willie plays new material, reveals his plans, and reflects on the state of Hip-Hop and America. Though Willie D laughs far more than he raises his voice, he shoots from the hip, and frequently criticizes from the phonies. In age of saturated carbon-copy characters in Hip-Hop, Willie D is one-of-a-kind, with music that still packs the punch that his enemies have come to fear.
AllHipHop.com: Youve got a new group of White rappers, Huntzville. Theyve made some songs, including Uncle Sam, about The War in Iraq. How do you think opinions on the war vary over the color lines in the South?
Willie D: Theres a major f**kin difference. When I presented the idea to the group, my stance is Im against the war. Each [member of the group] was like, Why? I just think its the right thing to do. Typically, thats how White people feel. I feel like theyll defend [this country] at any cost. Black people, they are less eager to go f**k with somebody that aint did s**t to em. Black people are more willing to give people the benefit of the doubt because we have been abused and oppressed for so long. We can relate to somebody to bein f**ked with, without justification. Thats the major difference right there.
Having said that, you really have to put yourself in the other persons shoes. The reason I cant get mad at [pro-war] White people, because, let me tell yall something, if I had the motherf**kin privileges yall had around this mothaf**ka, Id say, F**k that s**t, lets defend this motherf**ka; I dont give a good god damn what happens. If you dont like it you Anti-American, go the f**k back to Africa! Thats honestly speaking. Its like Chris Rock said, There aint a White person in this mothaf**kin room whod trade places with me. Im rich. I like to do the role-reversal thing, as long as its distinctly heterosexual. [laughs]
AllHipHop.com: A few years ago, you felt differently though, right?
Willie D: I was. I was pro-war in terms of goin after Afghanistan. Those mothaf**kas deserved everything they got. But now, the Iraqi situation was different. I still feel like something shouldve been done to remove Saddam Hussein out of office from the injustices hes done. I feel like the U.N. shouldve handled that. [Because] the United States put the future of my children at risk and their children at risk, cause these are some retaliating motherf**kas. We went over there under false pretenses. Were still over there. Motherf**kas are getting killed. Its cool to kick some ass, but its a whole other thing when you f**kin with somebody and they sendin your kids head home in a box. Had we just went over there, kicked some ass, laid mothaf**kas out, and come on back, everything wouldve been cool. Now, people are, I want to go home. I got friends in Iraq that work and are in the military, and just the s**t they say, man, it aint no joke.
AllHipHop.com: 2005 was a monumental year for Texas rap. Going into a new record on your own the hard way now, how did you react to all that last year? Do you get your respect?
Willie D: Listen, I resent the overt celebration of some of the new acts [when] mothaf**kas act like these mothaf**kas invented rap and all that s**t. However, Im not bitter. The reason Im not bitter is cause I understand human nature. Its human nature to celebrate the times. Although I dont wish any bad luck on any of the guys thats got it goin on right now, I do know that everything has a season. I know that the time now is not forever. Its like [Ice] Cube said, Theyll have a new n***a next year. My thing though, is that overall, I can appreciate anybody that shines out of Houston. All that does is make people look at Houston more, and its bringing attention to the city and the state. When those executives visit Chamillionaire or Paul Wall, and I see em hangin out in the clubs or Cheesecake Factory, it aint nothin for me to run and get my CD and say, Check it out. Thats the major advantage. Thats why Im in New York right now. Yall have that. Yall can be walking to the post office and [run into] Clive Davis.
I wish that I got my equal share of the pie, and all that stuff. But the bottom line is people dont give a f**k. They dont give a f**k what you did, what you created, all that s**t. You look at people like Oscar Robinson and Wilt Chamberlain these guys names very seldom come up when you talkin bout great basketball players. The main reason is theyre Black, and its Black peoples job to preserve their own history. Its not White peoples jobs. Its human nature to look out for your own. White people will never let you forget Babe Ruth, John Wayne, Elvis Presley, because they say, These are our icons. Were gonna name a street after em. Black people traditionally havent honored their own. We like to talk that s**t in magazines and on TV, but if you open up a magazine, the only time youll see something from a legend is the back page, where it says Props. People dont give a f**k. Im not bitter, that s**t fuels my fire, cause Im finna make the biggest comeback in Hip-Hop history.
AllHipHop.com: Do you think Scarface gets more acknowledgment than yourself because he talked more about drug raps?
Willie D: Nahhhh. He get looked at more than myself because he sold more records as a solo artist. He sold the records, and he stuck to the script. You see, I dont just talk about drugs when I make the music. I talk about a lot of socially conscious s**t. Yeah, I can talk about rollin on somebody. We can do that all day. But my music really is a reflection of what goes through my mind everyday. I think about p***y every day, I think about family every day, I think about makin money every day, I think about my health every day, I think about the under-privileged every day, I think about world conditions every day. My thoughts run the gambit. When I write, my writing is indicative of my mind on a daily basis. [Scarface] gets a lot more attention cause he stuck to the script, and no matter what hes thinking, he [shows] hes thinking of drugs, murder, and s**t. I dont know whats goin on [inside] his head, but I know he stuck to the script. Thats the script that we wrote back in 89. Mothaf**kas stuck with him.
AllHipHop.com: I read a recent interview that said hes done with that
Willie D: I read the same interview. But actions speak louder than words. Im the kind of mothaf**ka, if Im sayin some s**t, Ill act on it. I been hearing a lot of s**t people been talkin, but actions speak louder than words. I dont know where dudes mind is. But I do this: I know that Geto Boys, although we one of the most respected groups in the industry, our compensation aint a reflection of that. I do know that the main reason is Faces lack of cooperation. To me, fans deserve to see you in concert. We want to make money, all that is fine. But to me, the fans deserve more than a record. To me, fans deserve to see you award shows. Even the label deserves more than that. He wouldnt tour. He wouldnt do interviews. You cant put yourself in a position to compete [that way]. It defeats the whole purpose of making a record. Even the Rolling Stones tour, to this day, and they one of the biggest groups in history - Public Enemy too.
Were supposed to start on our new album. This was [several months] ago. Face came to the studio [a total of] one day. It didnt make sense. [Scarface and I are] the writers. If we dont get the s**t done, it aint gonna get done.
AllHipHop.com: On the Geto Boys DVD that came with Greatest Hits, you were performing solo in Cleveland, Ohio. You welcomed a guy on stage to battle another audience member. He started battling you, and you laid into him. What keeps you sharp like that?
Willie D: [Laughs] You know what, I think the main thing that keeps me sharp is the lack of respect. I dont getting embarrassed, and I dont like being disrespected. Ill find a way to get a motherf**ka back if he embarrasses me. I feel like I been disrespected by the industry. Ive given a lot to Hip-Hop. I feel like Ive been disrespected by media personalities. How you gonna let Let a Hoe Be a Hoe, Gangsta of Love, My Minds Playin Tricks on Me, how you gonna list that on your [top lists], and then, when it comes to rappers, not mention Willie D? I wrote those mothaf**kas. How can I not be that? I aint nowhere on nobodys paper. No mothaf**kin where! Cats said I rapped too loud, or I screamed, and then they turned around and praised Onyx, Ja Rule, Busta Rhymes, and DMX. What is it about Willie D? Its a mothaf**kin double-standard. All that s**t gonna change as soon as I pop off. Mothaf**kas know they cant out-work me, and they cant out-think me. All they got on me is that mothaf**kin machine. When you got that, its hard to lose.
AllHipHop.com: Controversy is worth over a hundred dollars on CD today. How do you approach your early solo stuff?
Willie D: I really dont put a lot of stock in it, unless Im at a show and I hear people screaming for a song. Then, Ill go grab it and Ill perform it. But peoples memories are so short. Its not me, its the fans. Every five years, you got a whole new legion of fans. Its 2006, and if you perform something from 1992, you gonna lose fans unless it was something that you couldnt miss, like My Minds Playin Tricks on Me.
AllHipHop.com: Youve got a new record, Nobody Cares About Me. Youve always promoted hopeless on records. At this stage, youre a family man, youre successful, how often do you still feel alone like that?
Willie D: All the time. It comes and it goes. Right now, Im alone. Im in New York City all by myself. My family is in Baku. Sometimes I call my kids, Hey Daddy, when you comin home? I miss you. I love you. Sometimes I call my son, Love you, bye. I might just be callin to hear a friendly voice. Sometimes theyd rather be watchin TV than f**kin with me. I love them so much that I dont think theyll ever know how my heart beats for them. I blush when I think about it. I was there when my boy was born, and I was there when my girl was born. Each one was a different set of emotions. I really believe that if I die today, theyll obviously miss me, but I dont think theyll be ripped. I got friends who only call me when they want something. Its like that. Human beings are so f**kin fickle. I just dont know how to be fickle.