Emanny Talks Working With #JoeBudden, #RickRoss Jadakiss His New EP, The Opps & The Evolution of R&B

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[Music] yo what's going on this is your boyman and I want to send nothing but love to all hip hop my boy Chuck W World Studios
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it's amazing to be here salute this is allhiphop.com your man Chuck creeker you
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know what I'm saying AKA JS are here at one world Studios with imanie now yep
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you got a song with Joe budy I was trying to how do I start this interview off but you used to have me singing to
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the top of my lungs I gave you my own I like that's not enough
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so oh yo you know what's crazy I think that's the song that kind of really started my I don't want to say my career
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but that was my first introduction to Industry right like being actually
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received as yo you're an actual act like that was the first song I remember being really posted r like oh we heard you on
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that that was like the start for me I think so yeah I was going through so much life we've we've been talking
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offline about life relationships and things that we go through as people and
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relationships with men women me mean what women well period just life but life and that was one of my anthems at
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that point I was going through it it's still it's still one of my it's funny I
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I I don't I wasn't even going through that at that moment the fact that now it resonate so much today it's like all I
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damn near predicted the future with that yeah right right yeah um now you have a
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a new project yes how how is it pronounced her before her before her
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before her okay before her but it's like a three in there well well because I did my first real project that I released
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was called songs about her and that was one and then I released another one 2014 songs about her too and uh before I
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dropped three I was just adding the three in there just so people know like the Three is coming way
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threey okay okay um let's let's start off with this project and this you know
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this EP three songs three songs but um but very very good record sonically um
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you saying a little something on each one talk talk to us about that um each record I picked three just to also
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symbolize the three like just everything just kind of felt right um each of those songs kind of represent a chapter in the
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project and I wanted to I think the first project I did was so uh revered or considered cult you know ctly loved uh
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because it did give you a storyline okay and I was always big on like a lot of my
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favorite hip-hop albums played out like that and don't get me wrong I'm an R&B dude by by trade and but I've just
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always been a hip-hop head so I wanted to try to transfer that energy into R&B project so I chose those three songs
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because they mainly represented the different stages that we were going to uh visit within the next project and you
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know BD is me in my player mode and yeah me running out here chasing and trying to grab what I can grab and uh ATL is
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like you know trying to find a resolve to being caught right and then you know don't give up is all right it's a little
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short storye baby baby please don't leave right right yeah definitely I love
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The Vibes though because uh it does Express the range that we that we go through as uh you know men particularly
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in the music industry right you're always well at least I think most of us are balanced you know trying to contend
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with everything in in there yeah I I I struggled um me my search in trying to
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be this artist that I believed I was supposed to be or people told me I was supposed to be um it didn't help my
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personal development I do feel like the the the better I became as an artist the
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less develop I became as a man wow which is why uh you know I haven't put out a
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project since 2017 like honestly today is the first time I've done any level of press since 2014 really yeah like I why
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is that I there was a confidence that was missing for quite some time there was
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also a um a lack of of really just being
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comfortable with exposing and being vulnerable with what I was really going through at the moment like the music
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might have felt confident but you know I was dealing with a lot just mentally and just how do I how do I get on the stage
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and and exude this confidence and everything and when I get off I'm just like oh God I don't know what I'm doing this just and I've always you know I I I
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won't say that I've been absent minded in business but I didn't really make a lot of good business decisions as an
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artist so once I realized that it was like I I need to step back I need to reassess all of this but not just that I
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need to just get myself together as a person as man let me re-evaluate why am I even trying to be successful in this
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business am I really prepared for the success that comes with this cuz I do think I think if I received early
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success the way that most people would have liked it to been I don't think I'd be around yeah I don't think so I think
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the industry would have ate me up I I would have been one of them one of them stories yeah MH you you kind of kind of
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for us at least came in the game along with Joe Buton you know you guys are attached in that way MH um did seeing
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what he went through perfect yeah perfect I I him and him and jiss I
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always attribute to being like the the the people that opened the door for me to be able to walk and be heard and the
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great thing about them it was just two totally different perspectives of what industry looked like yeah one side was
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Joe who immensely talented M um maybe made some some decisions in business at
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a point or whatever just in rubbing people way where people just kind of like we love your talent but like like
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right but still push through and was still confident what he was doing and and still made a lane for himself and in
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his jiss which is like can't say a bad word about the man
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yeah like he's he's done thing honestly I've never really had a chance to really tell him like like he's done things in
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my career that even it was a smallest I was like yo bro I don't think you understand how much that meant to me and
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Joe of course still to this day does things that I'm like bro thank you so much but um just two totally different
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worlds and two totally different roads that I was like damn this this is this road and then it's this road and then
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there's me trying to figure out how do I fit into this game yeah um and maybe maybe the fact that they
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were so so hipop and I was so R&B I needed to see what that looked like cuz I didn't the the industry told me R&B
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was supposed to be glamorous and supposed to have the Allure and and them [ __ ] we was gritty we was in the
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Suburban going from City to city and with kiss we was in a nice little swag joint yeah so it was it was great it was
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a great contrast do you do you feel like uh your proximity to hip-hop did it
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hinder in any way your aspirations as an R&B
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singer a little bit a little bit I do think that I got too comfortable uh relying on hip-hop to be
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my uh my voice mhm most of the time when I was getting spoken about or even pressed
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or anything it was through hip-hop forms yeah it it was I I to me I still appre I
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think that's really honestly the only reason why I'm around today like hip-hop
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kept me alive even as an R&B artist you know when when Royce hits me to go do a
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hook or when you know Styles or or crooked eye or like DJ Premier or like
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I'm on records with Legends yeah definitely like and it's never been a matter of me having to be like yo can I
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get on it's always been yo E I gotta like
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just couple of weeks ago well not even a couple of weeks ago I did a record with with DJ Premiere years years ago years
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ago then we were like yo he hit me was like yo we need to revisit this record and we need to drop it yeah and I'm on
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the phone like yo that's dope I'm like yeah for sure and then I hung up and I was like bro DJ Premier just called you
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and said we need that's like Quincy like for me that's that's the equivalent and I'll
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never take like that for granted but I would have loved to been able to have that balance as well of a Timberland or
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you know Rodney jerkings but I just didn't really focus on them because it just didn't feel like they were there
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they didn't feel like they were at reach fair enough yeah and they and they kind of aren't you know what I'm saying a lot
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of the a lot of the uh R&B people feel unap Ro or even unreachable I a really like R&B [ __ ]
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back then I'm be honest with you I I didn't I didn't like being around them yeah and then for the ones that I was
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competing with I definitely didn't want to be around them um so I just I just got and then as a kid from the Bronx you
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you I I just felt a little more at heart a little more gritty than maybe some of the music I was trying to make just in
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personality so it was easier to sit in them rooms and even if I wasn't partaking in the lifestyle I could
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understand it and uh connect with more than I could wearing a Lea pants
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and I couldn't get it that's funny how were you how were you coming up in the Bronx like you know I know that uh most
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of most where my come up we were like yeah I can't even be a singer cuz that's not
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what's happening right now people have no clue I used to rap before actually
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trying to to become a singer me and my cousin we used to rap and we rap like we were Bone Thugs and Harmony
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you look a little bit everybody say that too I say those were like those those
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guys were for me and me and him we had that
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down pack yeah where we were like we gonna be rappers and we gonna rap like boom and we going to get on boom boom
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and of course they were very uh Harmony based so we would have to infuse the singing and it got to a point was like
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all right you might just and you just you're a better singer than a rapper let's leave alone let's go over so um
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that's that's the start for me that was the introduction it's just even just when I was around in the Bronx and
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hanging out people doing ciphers like I can't come in there doing a note I want to be a part but I can't do
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that so it is what it is yeah now the state of R&B has been you know a lot A
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lot has been talked about uh that uh and and for a while now you know what I mean
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in fact I I kind of proposed here in our studio debates you know it did did
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hip-hop ruin it did hip-hop ruin uh R&B uh as a as a genre um now it feels like
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it's coming back uh thank you know shout out to Usher coko Jones there's a
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there's a lot of artists we just had Simone in here she's dope um and yourself um but you kind of came out
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earlier than that Renaissance yes so what would you say to that now that you
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know your the state of R&B and your place in it there's a frustration because when I first came out a lot of
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my own music was sounding like the things everyone's trying to do today and I remember the industry tell you we not
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on that like we trying to do this and I was like you know what yeah maybe they right I wish I wish in that case because
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my foresight is is pretty good I wasn't in that moment I wasn't good yeah I should have said you know what like I
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know what's coming like this ain't this ain't the way we supposed to jump on this is going to come back around um I
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do there's a lot of artists today I love that I think are really true to the to what I love as R&B uh the alternative
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stuff the the the new wave stuff I'm all for like I think it's all dope it's all
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creative I just I always push a balance that we need a balance um anytime you lose the source of something you you
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kind of taint the original product yeah and I can't really respect it to the highest degree like don't get me wrong I
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love what everyone I love the drill stuff I love all that but if I don't have no good boom B if I don't have no
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good like Griselda to me when they came it was like thank God we finally got some balance yeah um anybody at that
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moment wasping me so yeah like the Coco Joneses uh Luke James is like I think
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thank you God thank you for for artists like him her um just anybody I I I heard Miguel
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just put like I need that I need those people Mario I I need all those people to still be able to come out Usher today
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as the icon is to still be able to put out albums tour the way he's touring receive a Grammy nomination for album it
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it's that's what I need that's what I love so we need that balance if we don't have that I'm gonna always complain yeah
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yeah I think it's a good time I was telling Simone I think I might try to go
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a year without listening to hip-hop maybe maybe like professionally I might do it cuz I work in the field but like
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as an enjoyable art I I just want to hear what everything else has going on
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like I you mentioned like Luke James like I don't know the last time I've
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either gotten him through my algorithms like the algorithm does not send me no her Luke James like some of the other
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ones because I don't know what brings them to me but it's tough sometimes I
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was I was kind of late to some of these people like even like uh like with lucky day and Leon Thomas I was late to the
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game with how dope those guys are right and it's because the algorithm just wasn't pushing it towards me so I'm not
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going to lie I kind of feel like I did that not purposely but it just started happening I was like you know what I got
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into the house I didn't play music like I got to a point where when I get home I wasn't putting on no music I didn't want to hear music I just needed it to
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organically happen and in certain ways it just started to so I'm not against
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that idea um I wouldn't say block out hip-hop totally cuz there's a lot of
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dope hip-hop never but um finding a bance and that's
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that's to me life right now just in all spectrums when it come to music just life kids relationships balance yeah
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yeah definitely so you know as far as your uh career I mentioned um you know
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talked about Joe now what would you say uh you guys are
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like now I know you're part of the button podcast yeah yeah um the network
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yeah um that came out of nowhere mhm wasn't expected at all I'm first off I was a
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fan of the Pod when it first started I remember going to the Pod and just seeing them start from very simple no
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money no nothing renting out the studio trying to figure out what this
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even looks like and then also uh I had started my own podcast like in
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2013 and um early yeah and it was it was like oh shoot like this this is a lot
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yeah did some episodes and everything and it was like all right we closing up shop just so when he picked up on it and
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started doing I was like all right this is dope this is dope came around and I moved to LA and then that's
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when the podcast is shot I was like oh they did it yeah fire yeah so when I
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moved back to New York I would just go up and just chill like these are the friends these are homies yeah so you
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know naturally you know Joe has always been somebody who's wanted to include
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people into the fry I feel like he's been podcasting ever since he's been a rapper right by the Joe Buton TV show so
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I think he's just naturally been able to feed in a in a positive genuine way with
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his friends so now when I'm up there and I know a little bit more about him than you know some of the other people or
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whatever it's just easy to be like e come on sit down let's yeah let's chop it so when he even just was like yo come
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and be on the Pod I was like all right dope cuz yeah first off I like to talk
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yeah and I I love to you know debate and I love to do all that so to be and it
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came at a time where I needed the distraction and I needed to see what else was out there besides you know
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having to rely on music to be a sole source of income or just even a sole
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source of creativity so that was amazing and at the end of the day I get to go sit and work and talk with my friends
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two days a week and and not have to worry about where the next check or anything is coming from that's it's a
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blessing you're uh you know we've talked you know offline about the difficulty in
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making it in this industry this this game is tough I don't think people
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understand I I try mentoring people
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and uh it's almost like either you got it or you don't and I don't even mean talent I mean like the ability to
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withstand the rigors of the game
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I was talking to somebody actually on the Pod uh and they had asked me a
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question and it made me say something about myself that I wish I could now go and take back I was like you know what
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man I just wasn't consistent and I just you know I just didn't have the the push in me the this and this and this and
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that and then I got home and I was like you know what that was wrong um the fact that I'm started 2009
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maybe didn't do everything the right way but and still able to be here still have the achievements I've never really had
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no secure management situation label situation I move by myself I don't um
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and I'm still in the game the way that I'm I am I think it speaks to my consistency it speaks to the level of
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push that I've had and I've tried no matter what to figure out not even try I figured out how to somehow stay in this
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business without having to do the other things that maybe I didn't want to do um but it's hard yeah your own money
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goes into it that you don't have um having to trust in people that you don't really want to trust in um to push your
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career to a certain level um the true Independence that comes with this thing is a pressure that I don't think many
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people can deal with and then still be consistent so it's hard and I Pat I I I
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Pat anyone's back in this industry whether I like your product or not that can do this yeah and do it at a
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consistent level and actually make something out of it cuz if people really knew how hard was to stay in this game
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and not lose a bit of yourself it lose a bit of yourself that's
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actually so super clutch because I think a lot of people in fact in fact I
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brought people in this game or people who aspired and I brought them in and
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then I watched them change and I watched them become something completely different than what I knew them to be
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and I was like yo and then I've watched people get ate up spit out and sent back
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home I I watched I watched that um the greatest the greatest thing
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that most people can have is having some insight and having some actual real moments with themselves because I saw
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that happening with me like I noticed it like I looked in the mirror I was like oh this game is changing you your your
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attitude is changing a little bit your approach to it is changing your love for it is changing you're getting a little
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lazy you're getting a little entitled like it's time to back and yeah let's get back to why we were really doing
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this [ __ ] but people don't possess that right um I watch you like i' I've watched you
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manage through this industry and I've never felt like you as a person changing any bit no matter how you spoke no
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matter how you dressed no matter how you look whatever you did it was consistent yo that is Chuck yeah and we can always
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expect Chuck to be Chuck whether he got zero in the pocket or 30 million I app
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like I had that conversation about 50 I love 50 and his approach to the game because no matter what I saw about his
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growth he always just seemed like he was 50 yeah yeah and and a a dollar amount
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wasn't going to change that so that's a fact in fact I saw 50 uh whereever the
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last power part he was m and like I hadn't seen him in a long time and soon as he saw me eyes kind of kind of lit up
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and he handed me some champagne and I walked right past security I was like I hate the people that do that [ __ ] game
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the people that knew you from then and then things change might go you remember me like stop like you seen me enough you
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ain't got to act like yo who are you again shut up like like I'm a part of the the the the the the story going up
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and if you really appreciate the story going up you don't forget yeah any of that [ __ ] yeah so that's I watch out for
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people like that yeah no that's a fact um yo fun fact well never mind forget
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that fun fact it was it was a Joe Buton fun fact and I'm like that matter to you right now but fun fact I I co-authored
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uh a movie about your but really I don't know if I should say that but yeah back
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in it back quite a while ago Hil hilarious he knows this oh yeah he knows
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this what happened to it yeah we it was scrapped just it just got scrapped I
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don't know what happened I should go readdress that [ __ ] today right we should definitely the the book and the
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the movie about that [ __ ] boy yo crazy it was crazy but but um but anyway um move
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moving forward the the state of the U artist is kind of crazy right now um
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specifically around technology and its relationship to music right you know so
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not to smash on Spotify because it's a great resource of Music Discovery by the
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same token you like a perfect example would be like you have to get to a th000
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streams before before you get paid, 1500 1,500 yeah for me that's like it's crazy
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really foul it's crazy I I consider that nasty work and I and I have to say it
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because for your forget about just the fragment of a penny you get off a stream
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then to up it to, 1500 for almost any
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upstart it's almost like a kill shot before you even get started so
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imagine how the the the artists and the the generations before us felt about
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about their situation like their deals were horrible to them in that time it's
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the same thing to us today yeah I say that to say imagine how how much worse it's going to be in the next 10 like
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what's what's going to be the the reason for even doing this [ __ ] you can't really make no money which is why the director consumer thinks is the most
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important thing today if you can find a way to do that then you're gold um the business is never not going to be
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predatory unless we find a way to at least create some level of Union and and
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have a standard for how we are treated within a business there is no business without the art right we have to make
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that clear I get it everyone's yeah but there's no business without the labels who push with the money cool that to me
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that's secondary yeah you have nothing to push if you don't have actual art first so let's protect that first and
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then we we'll figure out the business and I mean we ain't greedy right like we we just want a fair shake and a fair
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hand at the table so um I think people should really be concerned about the
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music business I mean should be concerned about it now but if you think it's bad now just imagine how much worse
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it's going to be in the next 10 when the technology gets even better with them and the situations are even more dire
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and you're realizing that labels now are cutting whole departments and you know I
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had I had a a homeboy who's really talented and he had a deal and great music they put it out and it was like
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cool now he dropped and now you back to yeah you know nothing and you didn't get really no real money out of the
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situation and you don't own the records anymore and it's just it's a predatory industry predatory situation period and
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it's going to get even worse if we don't have some level of understanding yo we have to work together to get this better
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unionized uh have a standard gatekeeping in this situation might be the best thing because we start
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letting people in who don't give enough care about the art that they'll just take any deal yeah some for some people
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a a penny of something is cool enough yeah and it's like no because you set
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the standard for how everyone else is going to get treated and if they feel like we can keep putting [ __ ] in the microwave then we don't never need to
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work the oven yeah no it's a fact I actually have a a theory it's an attack
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on Excellence um particularly black Excellence right so you got
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situations or circumstances where we don't see any more versions of Michael Jackson
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for example prince in fact they were under attack at one point um and not to
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get into legal situations but uh certain Moguls are now tremendously under attack
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or well let's just say there are circumstances that seem to lend to an
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attack cuz you never see a broke dude getting these charges never I like mad broke dudes out here doing everything
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never um and so my theory is that on um almost every level we we want to make
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sure we can keep the artists marginalized not have leverage the way
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um a prince or Michael or a Jay-Z for that matter or an usher or a
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Beyonce so that we can control you we can pay you what you just said little
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pennies M and then we have the all the control all the leverage we we need we
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need um cuz we have some really great Mogul uh on the on the business end we
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really need we need more Jermaine dupr right we need and when I say that I say people that really are focused on um
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building and crafting new talent and and extending that like Quincy Quincy has
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generations of building artists yes not just on like R&B like Frank like
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he he dates Jack to before Frank right like he's he's went through the G and
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even if he didn't do it as an exec he did it on the on the creative side to where he extended himself to where I
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don't want to just be great I need for other people to become great because it only extends my legacy right um Barry
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Gordy did it you know what I'm saying it's just we need more of that we need people who are really focused on yo you know what I can't be
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the last of the great I have to figure out a to pass this greatness on to others so when I people like who to me
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is not talked about enough as far as just one of the to me
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icon sh to him we need more of that people who are really focused on yo I
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want to break new talent and I want to give them the voice and the opportunities that I had and further
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because that's that's the only way we keep you know what's going to happen when Stevie's not here what's going to happen when even talk like that he's in
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bubble WAP somewhere thank Lord willing like what's going to happen yo bro like
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with losing Quincy it it it told me like yo we are we're down to our last yeah
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we're down to our last to where we can say yo we don't know who out yeah man
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yeah man rest in peace Quincy Jones I'm reading his biography his autobiography now and I mean from the very first
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chapter it's like oh you different yeah I I automatically get it but I'm you
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know obviously reading into it the Curiosity based on that first chapter is is crazy his his story of how first off
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where he came from how he learned to make music then not being able to you
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know having his brain aneurism now not even being able to play so you know what
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I'm not going to stop here I'mma go ahead I'mma figure it out okay cool I'm going to extend myself past just the
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music industry I'mma score movies I'm score and by the way he's the one for
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the violins in the beginning to Michel want to take it out Michael
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right sit down sit down I got this i got this and we G we we go we gonna we're going to make you You're great yeah but
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we're going to make you greater than what you even know you can be yeah rest in peace to him M yeah so so um you know
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enough Doom and Gloom man tell us something positive POS about what's going on with you now you know you have
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the EP what what what's good in your life um I am I'm inspired again okay
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that to me is the greatest thing um I'm inspired and I'm inspired by many things not just you know um new music inspired
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by my my my love for just creating um Great Moments outside of Music kids with
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friends just everything I'm just inspired I'm inspired I've not to go back to do but I've dealt with enough
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Doom and Gloom yeah to where to come out at the other end of it thinking like you might not come out of this and then to
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come out of it on like oh there's some sunshine here all right cool let's get to it like and you know you you afforded
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as much time as time allows you to have I'm going to do everything I can do to enjoy it and and
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make make this ride as important as special for me and for everybody else around me as I can yeah so I'm just
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inspired man yeah now you came out of the Harlem Boys yes Cho yes uh first of
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all we do definitely need more sing sangers coming out of choir environments
30:35
cuz yo the choir will kick you out you know that right you know that's why R&B started lacking right exactly people
30:41
stopped going to the stopped going to church stop going to choir stop learning some of that musical theory that diction
30:48
that you know technique that's lost a lot a lot of a lot of yall should go sit
30:54
go to your local church even if whether you believe in God or you don't I'm not here to tell you that but go sit and
30:59
talk to some of them people yeah yeah learn learn learn yeah Harlem board uh board Harlem like I'm I'm so sad that
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it's not around now so you know it could kind of help but that that was every if
31:13
I didn't go there honestly I MH how to harmonize how to structure records um
31:20
everything first was classical music learning there so that to me was the basis of how I even formed music today
31:26
yeah um it was and then the competition of when I was in street I was always singing
31:32
lead and I was always the guy that oh yo come here sing and then to get to that school I'm like all right going the
31:39
back yeah sing that part we don't need you I was like oh wait a minute I ain't
31:44
it right so it was it was amazing um you know Dr turble who was the
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founder he was strict Stern guy but he show he showed
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you that he wanted the best for us and he wanted to extend his legacy further than just um his own name he was giving
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us a gift that as young black boys we would have have gotten no nowhere else yeah yeah um what's your favorite collab
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you've done you've mentioned some heavy I mean you know just thinking about J but
32:24
and you know y I've wored I remember my brother playing Co G Rap
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and I remember when my boy uh 38 spe hit me was like yo I got a I got a joint I'm
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doing with Co G Rap I want you to do the hook like what you just said what like
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yo come to the stool and this is back in DND D like literally like whoa D and D yo come through and I remember that
32:50
night I was out and I was already Twisted all right come through we here now all right bet y I walk in
32:59
you to me you the orig you're the original gangster rapper like I'm doing a record with you that was fire
33:05
um the record with Royce was dope anything I did with slaughter house was like just sat around and just in a maze
33:12
like all right um everything me and Joe did yeah fire
33:17
the record with with the last feature I did which was with uh J kiss and Rick Ross like just seeing that happen was
33:24
because me and my boy uh Ronnie we would first moved out to LA was kind of one of
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the first batch of Records I did and I was like yo I know I'mma send this to kiss I know I'mma send it to him but y I
33:37
ain't G to lie I think Ross Sound fire on it we said it yeah sent it out got
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placed this is just kiss on it boom boom and then I get a call yo we put in we need you to structure different CU we
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gonna put Ross on like oh man we couldn't have play that and then you know I sent it off like y'all can do
33:55
whatever with reg y'all might take me off and put Neo or some yeah we keep you on the record oh
34:01
yeah we need you to fly in to do the video it's like wow yeah like it stuff like that so I think that was a great
34:06
moment um I don't have a favorite I don't have a favorite they all were important why
34:12
didn't you sign to some of these guys what what were people I was scared scared I was scared of the commitment
34:18
um contrary to belief I was never signed legally to kiss I was never signed to
34:23
Joe uh it was really just working and working maybe at possi maybe we'll get there at
34:30
some point but you know the fact that they were even comfortable with working with me in that realm you know my my
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most popular record um to date record called I messed up beaches Joe right and
34:45
the video just happened to be at his house chilling boom boom he's like I got a camera you want you want to shoot a
34:50
vid for this joint and I'm like all right cool yeah he could have been like no we shooting something for my joint
34:56
literally shot the video put it out and um I look at moments like that like you know that's that's trying to help me
35:03
kiss same thing like yo I got records we GNA do record hold you down yo make sure
35:10
you good I'm GNA get the styleus things that they didn't have to do go so um yeah man them dudes was like godsend
35:18
in a moment where I needed somebody to like put a a light on me you you are the
35:24
secur what what wait wait wait wait wait wait go ahe yeah wait let's get to it cuz I'm the only one in here right now
35:30
too so so secretary of defense for the lightskinn delegation did I get that
35:37
right that's right right that's right now I'm standing on it right you light
35:42
you lightskinn that be so mad when light brighten you you acting lightskinned yeah so what right I don't care what you
35:49
want me to do run from it I ain't ask for the complexion I got handed to me right so yeah I live in that yeah every
35:55
stereotype that come with it yeah that's me no problem that's hilarious now my first
36:02
thought I was I I started laughing so hard earlier because I mean unfortunately y'all took a ma massive L
36:09
uh with well well it depends on how you look at it with Drake the Drake Kendrick situation has has put a stain on the
36:16
lightskin delegation this year nah we listen that's that's Canada lightskin we
36:22
that don't that ain't the same as us N N I mean you know what the funny thing is when when people mention um his l m and
36:31
maybe in the the sense of the the the battle l i don't look at it as a l for
36:36
him because he was still competitive right um he's not going to lose his fan base right he's still going to be who he
36:43
is um I think he probably just needs to process it in a different view because
36:49
in that moment yeah I'm I'm I'm tight right I'm seeing the world turn against me I'm seeing people that once love me
36:55
now say ah get this I understand that proc but to still be a to go through that and he went through it back to back
37:01
CU you lost to push too but to go through it still have your fan base still have people that love you that's not a l yeah it's you know now if he was
37:09
in competitive then then it's it's like yeah go home right it was strategy too
37:14
so you know and you went against Kenny is Kenny's it bro Kenny's he's him isn't
37:20
that what they say he is him Kenny moved up he moved up very high in my uh hip-hop artist ranking for me very
37:27
quickly which is to me was impressive cuz I don't I'm I am hip-hop A hip-hop head I
37:33
don't give how much singing you heard me do I'm studying this so he moved he moved pretty high for me yeah yeah
37:40
definitely I he actually you know I think was that his
37:45
first was that Kendrick's first battle Yeah but he been asking for it for quite he been asking for it nobody accepted
37:53
Drake is pretty much the only person that accepted the battle yeah I remember mhm I I remember and he and he been
38:00
talking for quite some time and whether it be interviews he's been telling people I want to be if not one of the
38:07
best go down as the best and that confidence is amazing so I remember a time whenever you said that you had
38:12
people at your door like no no no slow down we still got him over here over there
38:18
so that that that dude is just different his musical brain is different he's he's
38:24
wired a little differently from most people and yeah I love that about him fun fact I wrote an open letter to Drake
38:31
when he wouldn't battle Joe Buon really yeah I was like Drake you need this battle for hip-hop this is your time you
38:38
know you know how many more records Joe had how many I'm I'm not g to I'm not
38:43
going to say cuz at some point I'm pretty sure that should be something that he like but we were we were
38:50
literally at he would go and sleep at the stew wow like yo we he I think he
38:55
released what like four he released a few yeah there's there's more more than
39:01
five I won't I won't give him but he was ready yeah he was ready and I'm not
39:06
saying Drake I think if Joe at that moment as a rapper had more notoriety
39:13
yeah Drake would have respond he would he he would but at that point I think if he did he would have been putting a highlight on someone that he didn't want
39:20
to have that highlight yeah facts facts y was ready yeah okay okay and and we also know your hip-hop based on the 40
39:27
belows you got I ain't going to lie I should I shouldn't be having them like this I naturally you should let to let
39:34
them ride yeah but it yeah he got the 40 belows on uh people like myself I got
39:40
the uh beef and broccoli myself uh I always I I I kind of refuse to pay the
39:46
resale the resellers what they want I mean God bless them but I try to get
39:52
them at the regular price for things that I couldn't get back in the days I'll pay for whatever the price is I'll
39:58
pay for it cuz I remember as a kid I wanted those and Mom and po was like
40:04
listen you 40 below your ass to bed today right yeah I'm I'm I'mma pay
40:10
for certain things and I'm not materialistic like that like I'm not not into cars and all that other thing like
40:16
as long as I got nice things that's nice to me I'm cool but things that I Desir as a kid like I remember I was a vinyl
40:22
head there's certain vinyls that I wanted as a kid that once I got to an age where I can afford it I purchased
40:29
immediately even if I didn't play it like I those are the things that were important I got Michael Jackson Thriller
40:35
on vinyl actually I have that in my vinyl right now really my vinyl player right now literally crazy crazy who your
40:41
top five dead or Al um of singers singers it's sad cuz I'm a singer and my
40:48
quick thought was hip-hop no I want that too though um top five um Michael
40:54
Jackson is going to I I don't even put Michael Jackson and R&B so I'm I'm going to exclude
41:00
Michael and Prince okay I'm excluding them Stevie is number
41:06
one Marvin two Donnie ha theway three
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um all this is when it starts to get a little heavy weights
41:19
uh Ara mhu
41:28
James Brown is in there even though it's I I won't he's not harm beat him it's Soul it's just but if I'm going to
41:36
extend it I'm going James got he gotta he's yeah so that yeah that's that's my five okay what about what about uh
41:43
rappers ofon hip hop big as first he he I'm biased I know if I'm
41:51
being unbiased he shouldn't technically be first because his run was cut short
41:56
but uh biggest first um I got to go hold mhm
42:04
Nas um personal personal favorite of mine is ghost ghost faceh face yeah um
42:12
and five I struggle between kiss and styles
42:18
man oh man throw them both in there because they I think styles styles for
42:24
me styles for me is like cool g rap on just steroids like as far as like that
42:31
Street gangster gentleman [ __ ] and then kiss is Just ball for ball like I I
42:36
haven't heard him spit no who's better back to back ghost face and Ray or
42:44
Styles kiss I got records with kissing Styles
42:50
so I'm going with kissing Styles but that's a tough one Wu Tang was my introduction to hip-hop when people say
42:57
yo how would you introduce my sister my older sister is the person that really said yo hey sit down like I know you
43:03
listening to all that Michael and all that Bobby Brown and all that [ __ ] but come sit and listen to this yeah and
43:10
ghost ghost and Ray like just the tone of their voices alone was just like that's different yeah especially
43:19
then I don't think [ __ ] now I just heard I just heard ghost just Dro an album sometime this year I'm like sharp still
43:26
sound sharp definitely yeah so but I got to go kissing Styles kissing styles are
43:31
are are have a different kind of closeness um proximity wise so it never
43:37
feels like they aren't together they feel like it feels like they're all I know they're not always together but it
43:43
feels like and I think that was most evident in the versus Battle you know you could tell kiss kissing Styles just
43:49
that whole crew up there d block period being going up there working at DB block
43:56
Studios and just seeing how they with each other don't don't let nobody tell you like I'm pretty sure they've had
44:01
issue or in just their movement or how they move as brothers and as a team it it's inspiring
44:08
because I that's naturally how I want to move with people period and especially in this business that's hard to find you
44:14
know we don't know too many people that have that level of legacy and and tenure
44:20
without the public ever having a question whether this group is going to survive or not yeah yeah yeah the locks
44:26
are going to be I me the locks are going to be around no matter what we ain't seeing a breakup we ain't seeing them
44:31
fall out even if there were ever to be a point where they might have it it we won't know and I I respect that to the
44:37
highest degree yeah facts so what's what's what's next for you more music
44:43
more more podcasting okay um just more creating like I said I'm inspired again
44:50
I'm inspired in ways that I didn't think I could be inspired yeah um I want to pass some of some of these gifts and
44:57
some of this knowledge down to others yeah I definitely don't want to be the person that keeps any of this to myself
45:03
um there things that I wasn't able to achieve that I'm not Longing To I don't have a desire to compete with yeah Chris
45:11
or you know lucky or I don't have that desire it's it's but I would love to be the person to help the next person who
45:18
wants to do that yeah I have no problem with playing you know I can drive the car but I have no problem getting a
45:24
passenger seat and allowing that next person to come through and kill the game that's funny I was going to ask you who
45:30
your who are your Ops who you know you know cuz you got the ushers and the um
45:35
uh I I I I I bow I tip my hat like I
45:40
said what they have done I went to Usher show and in Vegas and I sat there I remember I remember uh the people I
45:46
worked with at a at a certain point in life man you going to beat Usher you going to kill you have he can't sh like
45:54
yeah and I'm like yo you know what man it's it's amazing to have that confidence but what he's done in this
46:01
game is is different yeah and I don't I don't know if a lot of people understand
46:07
like you might not really be prepared for that level of success yeah he's
46:12
different just the the Showmanship the way he just controls the it's don't don't get me wrong I do know for sure I
46:19
can get on the stage and command a crowd and do all that but he's been doing this since 13 14 years old on a high level
46:27
and been consistent and been through ups and downs and not falling off a bit he
46:33
still sounds amazing he still dance he said Can roller skate I like really I
46:39
don't want no roller skate lucky day to me is another cut off of that that
46:44
lineage of like vocals on point creative uh ability is on point I would love to
46:50
see him grow Leon Thomas I'm now just becoming a new fan of him bro push the
46:56
envelope yeah I don't want I don't want to look at any of them as Ops if anything they just inspiring me to get
47:01
better that's dope have you ever considered signing someone and you know helping steer someone's career I I would
47:08
want to do that when I could actually help and provide them with the opportunities that they need I'm I'm
47:14
still growing and learning in the space the idea of signing someone to something
47:19
and holding them into something that I can't really that's what always kept me from not want to do it cuz I always felt
47:25
the people trying to get me to sign they really couldn't do for me the way they they really should have so I would want
47:30
to help and if I get to a position where I can now provide that opportunity for you then yeah let's talk but even if
47:37
you're not stuck with me in it let me just help you get to the next level and I only hope that when you do get there you shout me out give me a pat on the
47:44
back or something n son I know it don't happen I don't do that these [ __ ]
47:52
forget that it don't work like we we going to do something else I don't know what it going to be but it's going to be
47:57
something else something something a little one sheet yes sir yeah a little one sheet little percentage little
48:03
something something yeah something cuz hey what's meant for me is what's me listen fact and it's not about look I
48:09
have turned down every single op uh opportunity that presented itself as management or signing and I would put
48:16
stuff out there like yo um and then some when somebody replied to it I was like oh no no I'm no and it would be
48:23
established artist it wouldn't be like just people off the people off the street have asked me manage them forever
48:28
but then an established person will say yeah no put me put me down for that I be like uh no yeah cuz I don't want that
48:35
responsibility I I'm at I'm just I'm at a point where I want to my way of helping the next artist is
48:43
helping them avoid the things that I went through yeah that's how I look at it and some of that was the predatory
48:49
nature of the contract and this and that the last thing I want to do is preach one thing and then start aligning myself
48:56
to do those business practices um I I'm going to put my morals I know people say
49:01
this [ __ ] all the time I think that might be a not might but be a big part of why maybe I didn't reach a certain
49:07
I've just always had this level of um yeah Quincy Jones said the illst thing
49:13
when you once you take God out of the room all this [ __ ] is irrelevant yeah so for me I want to keep that in the room
49:18
as long as we start from there we in here for the right reasons that's what I want to live off of today yeah I I'll
49:24
receive my blessing I'm supposed to receive and by the way 38 spe his philosophy to music and collaboration is
49:30
really dope it has no paperwork involved but it's really very much rooted in what
49:36
you just said and that's I'm going help you you're going to help me and we grow together and that's a dope spee I lived
49:42
in rockchester for quite some time so I was really aware of 38 like up there it was like specials already that dude yeah
49:49
so when I lived up there um I was like yo that' be somebody I want to work one day and we reached out um it's like yo
49:57
bro what you need to do to Joint what you I was like bro I'm good I'mma cover the studio at least all right cool cool
50:03
and he kept doing it kept doing it just I'm like yo spe this is a honor like this is a pleasure to work with you bro
50:09
don't ever send me let make this be your last time you feel like pay for like we are doing this together in collaboration
50:15
it's an honor to work with you you you put me in connection with Benny you put me in connection with COI like the
50:21
things that you've done for me has helped extended my name so this ain't a matter of exchanging that when we get to
50:26
a big bag then you we nickel and D no and you that dude and I've seen you I've
50:32
seen you go from what you've started as to where you revered as one of those dudes yeah so I I like to honor people
50:40
like that so salute to 38 salute to that whole movement Upstate is yeah yeah yeah
50:46
yeah we got to well I hate saying that we got to bring it back but no we don't
50:52
we we we here it's here it's here it's here and the people that recognize it recognize it and they keep pushing it
50:57
forward and I think the the the nature of the business would tell you that you
51:03
have to be the the most popping artist in society to be deemed success and
51:08
that's not the case these guys are successful they built up core fan bases they're able to tour they're able to sell merch they're able to really extend
51:15
their career pass just you know nickel and diamond yeah so 38 speci is a
51:21
success to me grisela is a success to me rock Mariano is a success to me you know those guys even down to the Eric Ro uh
51:28
uh uh Robert gaspers or you know these guys that you might not be talking about
51:34
dayto day and these guys have created fan bases that when Robert go to the Blue Note It's Pat bro it sells out
51:42
before I get my ticket yeah so I I love seeing that and that director consumer
51:48
idea to me is where we're leaning and I want to model that before I try to run to a label begging for a loan yeah yo I
51:55
just want to say man congrat congratulations man you made it you know what I mean you made it to here and now
52:01
that's that's amazing testimony um don't make your last time here at all hip hop
52:06
you know what I mean we going to have you again when the new album comes out and you know whatever else you have in
52:12
store you've been supporting me since 2009 yeah I took my I took 10 about almost 10 years off yeah
52:21
of of being the artist that people knew me to be and the support is still there so I appre appreciate you I appreciate
52:27
the platform absolutely absolutely respect all right

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