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what's going on world it's your man
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Chuck Creekmer All hip hop is here and
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we are talking to someone who's
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representing someone in a highly in an
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in a highly publicized case Nicholas Ram
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Chartan did close enough All right All
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right All right It's good to talk to you
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Nick Um we've just briefly talked a
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little bit and you're representing Misa
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Hilton in a lawsuit against Mary J Blige
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the iconic singer And Misa is an icon in
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her own right uh from a fashion
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perspective but this is a business
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lawsuit Um first of all can you give us
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sort of a rundown on what we're what
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we're talking about here there's a lot
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of chatter uh online offline in private
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circles about what's really going on
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So here's what's going on and it's it's
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nothing short of a tragedy Chuck And
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again thanks for having us on We
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appreciate it Um everybody in in the
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world knows especially in the hip-hop
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community and you know if you're an old
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head you understand who these
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individuals are and it is nothing short
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of a tragedy This is not something we
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wanted to do This is something for
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almost a full year we actively try to
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avoid doing Um as the world knows and as
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you know Chuck Misa is a wonderful
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person She's a talented artist a creator
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and her and Mary were closer than
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biological sisters Um and that's what
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the world knew So we unfortunately tried
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every avenue to reach out to the to
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Mary's camp to reach out to people that
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we knew to legal you know Misa did
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everything before even coming to us did
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everything that she could to try to
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figure out how do how do we amicably
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resolve this Let's be family because
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family they don't publicize their mess
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We sit at the dinner table and we hash
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it out and we talk it out and we yell
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and we scream but at the end of the day
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we're family and that's how we wanted to
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do it and that is exactly what Misa
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wanted to do and unfortunately just
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didn't work out that way So was it just
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radio silence were you guys sending
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legal correspondents was she was she
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texting and then it got to this point or
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um and there was no respon there were no
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responses at all Yeah So it was kind of
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interesting how it kind of went down So
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uh the last I can tell you from my
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personal perspective that Misa and Mary
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were together was out in the Amalfi
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Coast probably in the month of August We
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all happened to be out there together
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and they were having a wonderful time
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just like they always do It was from
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that point moving forward Chuck that it
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looked to be as if the relationship was
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somewhat deteriorating but Misa chalked
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it up to Mary's Mary and she's busy and
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she's obviously has all these wonderful
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things going on You know the Hall of
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Fame stuff and everything like that So
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you know Mary chalked it up to all right
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maybe she's just a little bit busy right
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now Unfortunately as time went on the
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text stop the return phone calls stopped
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the invites stop things they used to do
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together all the time that all stopped
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And then communication stopped alto
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together Um so Misa came to us and we
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tried to reach out appropriately to say
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hey listen we're just trying to talk we
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don't want this in the media you know
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come to the table let's sit down and
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that's kind of you know from my
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perception through Misa how their
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relationship kind of unbeknownst to her
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because we're still trying to figure out
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the reasons deteriorated
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You know it's funny When all hip-hop
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broke the story uh we were the only one
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that had it up for for quite a while I
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think everyone was collectively in
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disbelief Um really truly uh did not
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want to believe this Uh have you guys
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uh heard anything since it broke have
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have um anyone has anyone from Mary's
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no one from Mary's camp has reached out
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yet Chuck Uh we've sent letters to legal
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um prior to the lawsuit becoming public
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and prior to his filing Um but as of
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today May 1st 2025 aside from seemingly
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sub subliminals on Instagram that we're
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just catching here and there um we
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haven't heard from anybody yet and we
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look forward to hoping that someone will
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reach out Yeah Okay Now there's a there
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are quite a few jokes uh online and a
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lot of them deal with the fact that the
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center of all of this at least outwardly
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is a rapper named Vado If you're from
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New York if you're in the area you know
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who Vado is He's not a a mysterious
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figure or unknown figure at all Very
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well known actually Absolutely
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However um there's always well there's
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around 5 mil VTO Um why why is this
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valued at such a high amount of money uh
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considering if you're in another part of
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the country or world you may not not
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have heard of him That's a great
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question Chuck And I that is definitely
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a lot of questions that I've been asked
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you know to myself that we've seen
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online And I believe the most important
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part about answering that question is
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understanding the dynamic of an artist
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So let's let's be honest This suit is
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about VTO And yes the story is Mis's
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relationship with Mary Um but this is
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about VTO And why is it so much Chuck
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it's so much because he's been boxed in
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He's been held back Now listen I
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understand that you know as you put it
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maybe VTO in May 1st of 2025 may not be
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as relevant necessarily and I do not
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mean that in any sort of you know bad
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way but as he was a couple years ago
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even last year And that's the best point
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to make because contractually he was
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supposed to be on tour with Mary
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Contractually he was supposed to be
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featured on Mary's albums and her songs
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Contractually there were music videos
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and albums to be released And you know
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well way way better than I Chuck is that
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how do you do that how do you get that
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exposure it's airplay It's ANR It's you
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know funk flex on Hot 97 You know it's
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that's what we focus on That's what an
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artist needs Whether you're coming up or
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whether you're already up in the
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stratosphere So by VTO getting boxed out
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and not being able to be on tour with
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Mary not being able to record music not
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being able to be featured on anything On
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top of all of that he's losing
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opportunities on the back end from other
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production companies other other
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independent labels you know other labels
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that may want to produce his music And
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we're stopped So if you can kind of
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articulate and speculate the amount of
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money that VTO would have made I mean
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I'm going to be honest with you Chuck I
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think it might be more than $5 million
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Right Gotcha Now most people don't know
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he signed to Mary's uh record label
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Beautiful Life Productions is what the
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Um I hate to ask this
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but did personal and business coingle in
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this situation in any way there been
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rumors that Mary was dating Vado Some
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have speculated maybe he was seeing both
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of them like we you know it's a lot of
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rumor and conjecture online Uh is that
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possible is it possible that um Mary sat
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down in in in in a way that was outside
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that you know that I know of no Chuck I
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I can't really comment on that I I don't
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know the personal relationships that
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Mary J Blige has with anybody aside from
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what we're dealing with Um I try to stay
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out of you know my client's personal
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lives as much as I can unless I'm
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brought in What I will tell you is that
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I understand that I know Mary has been
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dating an individual for you know for
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quite some time and that's who she's
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been with And when Misa and Mary talk
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business even though I have not been
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there personally for that but I can tell
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you when Misa and Mary talk business is
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business And both Mary J Blige and Misa
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Hilton forever stand on business because
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at the end of the day as fantastic
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friends as they were and hopefully they
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will be in the future Um they are
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beautiful wonderful articulate
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successful black powerful business women
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and I think that that is always
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separated from you know their personal
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life and whatever may be going on
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personally Okay And where is Vital in
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all of this is he still with Misa's
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management company is is he still signed
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to Mary like are they you know are they
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still working together it's a good
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question So he is contractually still
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obligated to Mary's label Uh which is
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why that puts you know stunts his growth
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from you know not just from the filing
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of the lawsuit but you know years prior
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to that where he didn't get acclimated
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didn't get the opportunities that was
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afforded to him in the contractual
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agreement between him and Mary So um he
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is still tied to Mary J Blah and her
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label Misa is still his manager and VTO
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is on the side of right and the side of
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right is hey listen you have a contract
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listen I know it's Mary Jay blah and
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it's Misa Hiltan and all this wonderful
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stuff but listen at the end of the day
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it could be nobody it could be you and I
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this is a contract or contractual terms
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and those terms were violated and that's
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just the bottom line regardless of how
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you know salacious the names are yeah
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what exactly was violated um the did
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Mary go on tour and exclude clude him
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like what parts of the contract were
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violated exactly So I can't talk
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specifically to that because it's on
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it's ongoing litigation but I can tell
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you some specific examples that are
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already out there you know publicly and
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the contract is out there publicly so
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it's free to be viewed and give you an
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example he was supposed to open for Mary
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on tour Has that happened no He was
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supposed to be featured on certain songs
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and albums Has that happened no you know
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have people from allegedly from you know
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Mary's circle Mary's camp I'm not
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alleging they were directly related but
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seems so asked him to drop Misa Hilton
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It's quite possible You know there's
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some things again it's all in the in the
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papers that we filed but there was a lot
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of fire Um there was smoke at first and
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then you know the messages that he was
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getting and he felt offended because he
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thought he was with family and he was
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until whatever happened And the biggest
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question mark Chuck is what happened And
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that's what everybody's asking online
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Even Misa doesn't know what happened We
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don't know why the relationship turned
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non-existent And that that's really
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what's bothering her the most And
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obviously this is a separate business
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transaction But at the end of the day
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we're just we're curious If we're not
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mixing business with pleasure then what
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yeah it's it's really strange On a
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personal note I just you know we we all
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as almost like big sisters but sort of
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like goals almost like goals you know we
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saw them growing together through
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decades decades and decades And it's uh
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it's unfortunately unfortunately turning
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out this way Do you see any hope for
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their friendship i I hope so Chuck I
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know there's a lot going on in
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everybody's life but you know just like
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you said growing up I'm 41 years old You
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know growing up it was it's Mary it's
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Misa it's Biggie it's Puff it's those
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are the heads that we knew and we held
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them to the highest level And it is
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always an amazing thing to see a woman
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of color get to that status like Misa
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and Mary And that is one of the reasons
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I respect Misa Hilton so much One of the
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reasons I respect Mary J Blah so much is
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because they built this empire They
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standed on they they were stood on their
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own twos and and they did this And it is
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sad to see what we know as a long-term I
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was explaining this to my wife uh the
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other day about why this was so
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upsetting to Miss Hilton and and to the
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world is because we looked at their
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their relationship as two strong black
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women holding it down forever and ever
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and consistently elevating themselves So
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to see them have to go at it it's just
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it's sad Yeah Well I can say I had a the
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pleasure of meeting both of them last
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year Both of them at two separate events
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One with Mary at a power event and one
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with Misa at a Timberland 50 event And
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uh it was it was awesome I I mean Misa
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was really awesome because she actually
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time Mary was on the go She was out Um I
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think her feet hurt or something But
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um you know kind of final final thoughts
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on this um in terms of what's next um
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what do what are you thinking as far as
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uh you know you haven't heard anything
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is does this just do we start
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subpoenaing people or what so just a
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quick little insight into like how this
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is going to work Great question Um you
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know a lot of people file lawsuits every
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day but when you're physically in court
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in front of a judge how does that happen
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that happens by the way of what we call
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an RJI a request for judicial
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intervention And all that means Chuck is
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that you're saying "Hey court we can't
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figure this out Please assign us a judge
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so that the judge can tell us what to do
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and we can pursue you know the
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litigation going forward like you see on
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TV." But that doesn't happen until that
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one document gets filed And just so in
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light of being amicable I even spoke to
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this about you know with this with Miss
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Hilton is that we want to give them the
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opportunity We're not trying to rush to
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court to start you know going back and
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forth and doing discovery and
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depositions and we're not trying to do
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that So whoever's out there listening to
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this and I hope Mary's team is listening
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to this and I'm sure that they will
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reach out I mean they're going to have
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to at some point let's try to figure
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this out and let's try to make sure that
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Vad gets back into the position that he
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could have been you know he's going to
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have a substantial loss but let's try to
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remedy that Let's put him back Let's
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prop him up Let's let's respect our
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brother and give him what you told him
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you were going to give him and then
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we'll figure it out from there This
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isn't about money Both of these both of
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these women have money right this isn't
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about getting $5 million This means
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nothing to Mary I'm sure and it means
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nothing to Misa Hilton I'm sure This is
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just about standing on principle And we
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want to be able to have that family
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conversation We want to sit at the table
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Let's break bread Let's figure it out
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And let's put this to bed
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in a in a in another world What if what
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if or maybe this world what if Mary
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comes back and says "Hey look I'll okay
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great I'll do everything I'll put him on
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tour I will let him uh record or write
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or whatever." Um does this lawsuit go
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away uh it's a real good question Chuck
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I think there's a lot more to it than
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that I think we're going to have to you
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know Misa obviously has been affected
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financially by this for you know
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multiple different fronts um you know
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we're not very cheap to to handle to do
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this And on top of that there's there's
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just a lot of other uh you know
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goarounds But yeah I mean I think
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there's that's an absolute possibility
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that if we can you know put VTO back in
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the place that he was that Misa you know
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that Misa would be like "All right let's
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let's keep this moving." Okay Uh last
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question All of this is being all this
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is happening to the backdrop of the
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Diddy trial Obviously Misa's got a
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personal uh uh blood connection with
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Diddy and Mary and Diddy go way back Uh
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friends work music hits everything Is Is
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this impacting her personally that you
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know of yeah I mean listen Misa is the
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number one thing I can say about Misa
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Hilton is that she is a wonderful mother
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She has beautiful kids You know both
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Christian and Justin are I got to tell
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you man I you know when I met them when
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I did and been in contact with them and
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helping them or whatever we can help
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them with these are two fantastic kids I
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mean it is it is I think a testament to
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Misa and to Sean about what a wonderful
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job they did raising these kids So on
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top of dealing with that and these they
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you know Christian and Justin are very
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close with their father and Mises
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obviously has a wonderful working
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relationship with Shawn So on top of all
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of that with the trial with the kids
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having to deal with this it's taken a
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toll on her This again this is I'll tell
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you honestly Chuck we tried everything
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Misa would call me five six times a day
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Call my office staff five six times a
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day We have that relationship How do we
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not include her in this how do we keep
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her out of this because this is not what
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she needed right now right but it wasn't
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needed but unfortunately it was
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warranted and it's it's taken an
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emotional toll on her She's not happy
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about it Well it's unfortunate but
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that's that's where we are right now
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Well Nick I appreciate your time Um I
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know you're busy and
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uh you guys are keeping us
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busy But thanks a lot for your time Um
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if you need anything from us just let us
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know We appreciate you Chuck Thanks for
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having us on again on behalf of Miss
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Hilton Thank you very much And we'll
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keep you guys updated so we can stay
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together on this Awesome