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I want to shout out to allhip hop.com for having me. If you don't know who I am, I'm Little Lee from the iconic movie
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What's going on world? But it's your man Chuck Creekmer aka Jigsaw here with my man DJ Thorough aka Thorough Xano Brit to
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the streets, baby. We got a special guest in the building. Now this is being recorded on hip hop's
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birthday exactly. August 11th. How fitting, right? Outfitting. Outfitting.
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We are here with a legend, a dude who I can't really put into words what
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he means of me. Iconic. Iconic. Come on, man. Let's get it right. Let's get this man his flowers properly.
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Give him his flowers. Further we just let's just clap it up. In my opinion, a poster child for hip-hop. I'm going just say it. All
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right. Word. Clap it up, man. Clap it up. Robert Taylor aka Lee from the movie Be
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Street. 1984. The world changed, bro. Yeah. 1984. The world changed. A movie was
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released. I don't even remember when I first saw this. Came out June 8th, 1984. Let me tell
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you. Go ahead. Go ahead. June 8th, 1984. It would came out in ' 84, but it was recorded in 83. It filmed
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in 83. That's right. Yeah. And everything changed in my opinion
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after that movie was released cuz it went wide. Hip-hop started to be um more
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universally received and recognized. Other things were going on too, but all the elements were in
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this movie. It's important to note that that was first that was um outside of New York City. That was a people's first time
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even even knowing what B Boying was. graffiti was rapping. They they had never seen it before.
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So he was like for a lot of people the introduction to how to dress, you know, how to all of that.
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And in that movie was Lee, the character Lee, played by Robert. And
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we all wanted to be you. That's a fact. That's just a fact. This is a fact. It wasn't easy.
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It wasn't easy being Lee. How do you Hey, that's a song. You know what I mean?
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What makes you say that? Um the pressure I mean I was young.
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Yeah, it was a lot of pressure my age. I forget me forget that you were still
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in school. Yeah, I was about How old were you then? Um so when I auditioned for the movie, I
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believe I was like 15. Wow. 15 for the audition. I believe I was 15 years old. Yeah.
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Yeah. And um yeah, we started filming right before I
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turned 16. Okay. So, yeah, it wasn't easy being Lee. Like
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there was for me, you know, um at that age,
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yeah, I might have introduced the world to hip-hop, music, dress code, style,
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dancing, but it came way before I did, you know. Of course. Right. Right. Of course. I I
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I was fortunate enough to be um blessed with I guess being at the right place at
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the right time, you know. Um right. But yeah, there I mean I was breaking
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was out there. There was people I looked up to. Um for me,
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Rock Steady Crew was one of the inspired me. Okay. I was going to ask you. Dave was out
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a long time long time, you know, and um like I'll never forget there was one
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time. So I have a I had I have a friend, he lives in Paris now. Um he's we all grew up together. So they
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was like the like so my little group we was like 13, 14, 15. They were like the older brothers, a lot of my friends
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brothers. So they was like 17, 18. So one of them, my man Tori, he was a graffiti artist. He actually became
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famous behind graffiti. And I mean back in the 80s when graffiti was in art. It became an art. I mean
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where his work was in galleries, people was coming and buying for thousands and thousands of dollars. He became famous.
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He had um Brock Ste's manager, Lady Blue, was involved with managing him as well,
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you know. So we was young, you know. We every time something in my neighborhood happened, we was always with them.
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So Tori was he became really famous and he used to get in all his clubs. So at that time you know for us all we
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wanted to do was go to Roxy Roxy Roxy Roxy. So used to go to to Roxy a lot. You know your guest list. He was famous.
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So I used to bring us there a lot. So no back door getting in. We used to come in
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the front way. You know VIP straight up. We in the VIP lounge back then. Rock Steady. Um they used to perform a lot in
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that club among other clubs. So that this night for me it was like when I really like I knew about breaking. I
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didn't even like it wasn't really nothing. You know I was still a kid. I was going through phases bike riding,
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skateboarding and all kind of stuff. So Toxa got us into the club that night and
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at that time there was this song set it off by Strat. They was performing. So I I really wanted to be performing.
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Yes. They were performing live. Roxy's used to always have the hottest groups. The hottest song that came out, they were always performing the Roxy.
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So, we was in the club. We was in the VIP lounge. Now, the stage floor, this is where we filmed the movie as well.
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Mhm. The dance floor is mad big. The stage is all the way in the back. The stage is humongous. But parallel from the stage
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and a slight angle was the VIP lounge, which is a big ass booth. Excuse my language, but it was all glass. It was a
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bar, you know, little area to eat and chill screens. you could watch the show and outside the booth like you had to go
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up these steps outside the booth they had the security and it was a little landing and you know people used to come
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out to go in. So I was up there one night and the show started stra and I was already excited me and my boys and
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then during intermission rock steady came out and this is the first time I really got to see break
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dancing and and I seen him perform and from that point my heart started beating fast. I'm like, "Wow, this is hot. I
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want to learn this." And it was a combination of seeing them dancing, the ambiance, the way the the crowd reacted,
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just like the excitement. It was just Oh, man. Yeah. And from that point, man, I just just
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wanted to start learning how to dance. What year was that? 83. That was 83. Oh, that was 83.
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Wow. Early. Um, no, it was 82, actually.
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Okay. 82. Um, so now I live in the area. I'm from the South Bronx. I grew up in
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Mitchell Project. Mitchell. I mean, I'm from Mitchell Projects. Um,
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it was no break dancing around there at all. You know, nobody knew nothing about breaking, let alone me. So, you know, we
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used to go to clubbing a lot and I used to always watch and try to get all the basic moves and we used to go back and start practicing, practicing till we get
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moves, get moved them. We started getting confident enough to we started getting the moves the way we wanted them
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or we felt they was right. Then we started doing a little extra trying to add a little make a move up or
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and from there man um
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I don't know I introduced break dancing to my neighborhood. Wow. South Bronx where I was from. That's crazy. Me and my little group like we used to
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come down I lived in the projects. I had my mom's go out and buy me a lenolium.
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She she put me through hell at this lenolium 20 by 20. Oh wow. Because we we couldn't dance anywhere.
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We used to dance in the lobby of the hotel. I mean of the the PJs. But you know management used to always be
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like ah cuz everybody used to come and crowd up the hallway. People couldn't get in the building. Music was loud. So
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my mom's bought me a lenodium. And with that lenodium now we was mobile. We could travel. We could go all over the
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place. I mean, it became from practicing around my neighborhood to going down to Time Square in the
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train station out in front of FO Schwarz on Fifth Avenue at the end. We used to, bro, making money, doing all
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kind of stuff. And I just love the feeling of just
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want to dance. Yeah. All I ever wanted to do was just learn how to break dance and be just little
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decent, little good, little something, you know. Um, we used to be all over. So from that you
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know a lot of people started coming to my neighborhood wanted to be a part of this. They wanted
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to either watch us battle us or learn or join. Um we used to get a few battles. I
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man let me tell you a lot of time I was scared through battles because I didn't know we was good enough for a lot of these battles but we got through it.
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We lost some we won some. We got through it you know. What was your crew name? Um what was the name of my crew
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back then? I think it was the B boy crew. Okay. BBC. Yeah. My name back then used to be Saw the
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Rock. Sidewinder. Sidewinder Rock. Wow. I learned something today.
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This is This is This is I mean, we was young, you know, the name we came up with. Um,
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but yeah. So, you know, a lot of people just started coming to our neighborhood after school, man. We used to have a
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session right in front of our building. Yo, my little crew became humongous.
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I mean, I had people that lived in Manhattan and other parts of the Bronx that was down with my crew, right?
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And you know, we wasn't we wasn't old enough to get into clubs. I got into clubs because of toxic.
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We was just in the street just dancing for fun. Um, battling never was something that we
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really just we were still like just wanted to dance learning. We wasn't we wasn't like Rock Steady New York City
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Breakers. We wasn't like floor masters, all these famous big crews, you know. Um,
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we we idolized them. We looked up to them in a lot of cases, man, because you know they man they from Wild Style, this
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original break dancing movie, hip-hop. And before that, I mean, I used to go to to house parties, street parties, and I
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see them performing. Rock Steady is huge. New York City's huge. I will always see somebody performing and just
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seeing them dancing, man. They was always doing it for fun. They made it I mean, you see battles, but they it
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wasn't about battles. They made it fun. just watching it. They made it fun being a part of it.
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They made it fun actually learning how to do these moves. So I started understanding how other people cuz you know it was confusing why
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everybody want to come. So I kind of understood because I went through that phase you know. So with that being said man
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how I got into the movie. Let's just say this from that point. Um I had a little name for myself. Um,
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so the director of the movie Stan Le then he has a cousin that was a principal of a neighboring high school in my
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neighborhood, Alfred Smith. Okay. So I guess they, you know, family they
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they get along. They always met up and got along and had dinner, whatever. And there was a discussion one day at the
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table with Stan Leon and his cousin. And the cousin was complaining about oh how all the the kids was cuz break dancing
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was everywhere. during lunch and all the high schools kids used to go down in the lunchroom move the table start breakdown. It became a problem for
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security for all the schools. So he used to he used to you know he told his cousin about it like look you know I
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I got all these kids. He's like it's funny you said that cuz I'm about to make a movie. We in the productions of doing a breakdancer movie. Maybe we
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should come to your school and audition some of your kids. Yeah. Fine and dandy and all.
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I had no clue about what was going on. This is all in the works. Yeah. Yeah. So, um,
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come to find out it was only for the school. Auditions, the first auditions was for
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Alfred Smith. Only only. I went to pray. Oh.
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So, funny thing is that school got me a pass to come in for
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that audition. I was the only outsider. Everybody that was there in that school even lived in my neighborhood cheered us
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on. The other half was there dancing with us every day, learning how to dance. And the school, yo, everything
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happened for a reason. The school stood up for me and was like, "Yo, if you're gonna do this with us, this is the guy that used to
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have here. This because of us, right? We're here because of him." Because of him. That's crazy.
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So, they got me a pass. This is a crazy story. Got me a pass. Um,
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back then, we didn't have cell phones, landlines. Remember that? Of course. So, you know, I was a little
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knucklehead in school at some point. At some points, I used to cut class and just follow behind my friends at school, you
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know. I mean, I always pass, but at some points I knew when to mess up, you know. So, at that point, I was
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knucklehead in school. So, my dean in me was like this because I was
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so um my friend called me. He told me, "Yo,
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I came from school. He called my house. He told me, "Yo, um, there's an audition for a movie coming up.
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There's a movie coming out. Break dancing movie." He said, "It's in my school and my friend named Mario." I
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want to shout out to my boy Mario cuz if it wasn't for him, I would have never be through the whole process of where I got
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to be to be lead, you know. Um, he was like, "Yo, there's a there's an audition in my school for a break dancing movie
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that's coming out." He said, "Yo, the thing is like they only doing it for the students of the
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school." He said, "But we got you a pass." I'm like, "We"? He's like, "Yo, the whole school, we
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stood up. We went to the principal's office. We got you this pass." And he allowed you to come. So
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I'm like, "All right, cool." So the day I guess was a Thursday or Friday after school. Now I'm in
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Manhattan. I'm down I go to school 49th for night between 9 and 10 down here. So it took me some time to get home. So
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you know, I got to the audition. I got there a little late. Um I'm nervous, man. I don't know why I'm
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nervous, but I'm mad nervous. Like, I just was nervous. I couldn't control it. So, I come in. Now, he met me when I got
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off the train in our neighborhood. Now, I live on 140 138. We had to walk to 153rd. So, we walking. I needed that
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walk to because I'm nervous. I I just like, oh my god. Like, what am I going to do? Like, I can't think straight. So, we
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walk. We got there. He's telling me everything. Gave me the pass. We went through the gym. Security seen the pass.
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I had to show school ID. They let me in. So I'm walking down the hall to the gym. I hear mad noise music playing.
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So we walk through the doors. The whole school's there. They all on the bleaches all along the far back wall.
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Um for the audition. Just the audition. The school was there. The whole school, not everybody in the
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school audition, but the school was there to see everything. Like nobody went home. Yeah. The whole school stood there. They
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wanted to see this is big. This is their school. They want to be a part if they in the movie or not. Everybody didn't
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Everybody was there and I wasn't there to audition, but they still wanted to be there. I think I would have too, you know.
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Um, when I walked in, everything got quiet now. Really? My
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[ __ ] going to do now? Like, right. Right. So, I come in. So, the casting director is a little short black lady. Her name
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is Pat Goldwin. Um, she had an assistant. I don't remember his name, but so she she approaches me, you know. Um
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I guess they was waiting for me, you know, cuz nothing was the music was playing and they seen when I came in, the kids
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was practicing, but like the auditions clearly didn't start. I thought they did when I walked in, but
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they was clearly waiting for me. So I know I came in, I spoke to the lady, she's like, "Oh, so you're you're the
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guy that we all heard about." Yeah. Like Yeah.
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So, um, yeah, we heard you really good. We we glad that you could come to for the
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audition. She's like, we just, you know, we going to do a couple of of moves. We I want to, you know, the lady was like,
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I want to do some groups, groups of five, you know, guys do some routines and then solos. So, um,
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she called everybody that was auditioning for the movie. Everybody got together. Um, people just picked their
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groups. I I was still going through it here. So, I I wasn't involved in that. I got picked.
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So, um they had a group. We all split up. Everybody was in the corner for 20
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minutes making up a routine. We did the routine. Everybody Everybody, in my opinion, everybody did good in my group
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and other groups, you know. Um and then the solo part came. So now um I mean
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it was a lot because I mean I know a lot of moves but I don't know all the moves. I didn't know all the great moves you
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know. Um by the way they were all auditioning to be Lee in the movie. Well it was no say we was just
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auditioning to be in a movie. Like you got served and everybody came to audition. Right. Right. Nobody had a clue what was going on.
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Question. Do you remember what music was was B boying to what was being played? Do we remember that? So usually like
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when I dance everything was pretty much James Brown
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right you know it was a few other but that is a classic song for B boy like
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it'll never never never die if you put that music on if there's a battle people just want to dance man it controls you
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takes over. Yeah. So, you know, um the solo part came and um
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for some reason they had me go last. So, I I went out, did a couple of my moves, you know.
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Um I think I was fortunate because a lot of kids that were there, I taught them. So, like nobody really there at that
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time at that point in time was really better than me, you know. So, I think that's an advantage that I had, you know. Um there's more elements
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to it, you know, like than just being a B boy. Like we didn't
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know what was going on, but they was looking for more. They look they was looking for a young little black boy from the South Bronx,
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you know, um that knew how to break dance and
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you know, just had a personality. No, no, but not just a personality, but just growing up in the South Bronx, the
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trials, the tribulations, what these young kids do as they growing up, right? That was great for that time back then
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cuz you know we had abandoned buildings. We had abandoned lots. We had matches used to flip on. There was a lot of
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things to show back then, you know, and and that was perfect, you know, cuz a lot of that was neglected. A lot of that wasn't when we was when the
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Bronx was on TV was because of a fire, another building loss, another life. Mhm. Right. You know, it was nothing in a positive
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sense. Yeah. Right. You know, so that kind of like highlighted where we came from, what we was going
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through, and how we came from something that wasn't so negative or so positive and how we turned our our youth into
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something that we, you know, some people became ball players, artists, skateboarders, bike riders, bboards,
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MC's, musicians, writers, like you know, we we invented oursel out of just
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what we was going to do as a kid. there's nothing around like so we this every generation does that you know it was our time so
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you know um dance did the audition the audition was over I felt still nervous I was a little
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more confident that it was over you know not for any anything in the world would
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I have ever thought that they would ever actually want to consider me being a part in this movie so um you know it was
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just another dance for me I went out did my thing had fun it's time to go Um,
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time passed. Never thought about it. They had my number for my house. Never thought about it. Like 3 weeks later,
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Mario calls my house. He's like, "Yo, um, they interested. They're going to
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contact you." The guy just called me and he was like, "Yo, um, cuz something happened with my number, so they needed
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my number again." So he was like, "Oh, just look for a call." So mind you, I told you I'm a little knucklehead in school. I was cutting class. I got
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called to class. the dean calling my mom's to for me to get, you know, to report what's going on. My mom's was
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flipping out. They had just called her. She ain't give a [ __ ] what up, excuse my language. She ain't care what I had, what happened in school, what I did. She
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told the dean to put me on the phone. She's like, "Ah." She was mad excited. So, she had me get a pen and a paper. I
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wrote it down. For what was that? I had to stay in school till the end of the day. It
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started pouring. So, the thing was for me to go after school. When I left, I remember it was I go to school on 49th
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between 9inth and 10th. The studio where they was doing all the audition and everything um was on like 46th Street,
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47th Street and 10th a 10th 12th Avenue. Mhm. So, I had partly remembered the address,
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but I didn't remember at all. So, when I got to the corner, pulled that paper, it was smudged. All
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the ink ran off. I was soaking wet. Oh, shoot. Man, I stood down there in the rain for like two, three hours just
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walking around, going in buildings. Nobody knew nothing. I couldn't get in some of the buildings.
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I came home that day, got home late. I got sick the next week. I was sick for like a week. It was over. I just
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whatever. So now my cousin Thuty, she lives a few blocks from me. She had some
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boyfriend that she was dating, some kid, Tito or whatever. He had actually went to the auditions. I
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guess he was at the school and he found out about the other thing because mind you they reached out to everybody that they wanted to part of the movie but not
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me. So he was I guess at some point they he
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he I guess spoke to them and they was like yeah I know him that's my my girlfriend's cousin. Uh
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so um they was like can you find him? Like yeah now me and my cousin we not close we not cool. They see me whenever
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I pop up. Mhm. Right. She She know I live down there somewhere where, you know, we not She's
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a female. I'm a boy. I'm a You know, we we're not that close. You know,
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they paid this kid money to find me, bro. Wow. Took him like a week to find me. He found me.
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He came to my house on a Sunday. It was late, like four or five. And he's like,
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"Yo, they paid me to find you. They they really want you for the audition." He made some phone calls. They agreed to
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meet us at the studio that I couldn't find that thing. So, um, we got down there. It just so
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happened to start raining on our way down there. Me and the rain, bro. I don't know what's going on, but So, when we got down there, was nobody there. It
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was uh Harry Bellfonte, David Pickup. Wow. Uh, Pat Goldwin, and her assistant.
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And we walk into this big, it's it's like a old studio, old loft. We walk up these old squeaky stairs all the way to
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the top floor. It's all open space. And soon as we come out the stairs and I turn left and I look down, it's this big
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open space. It's a long table with with chairs and it's a giant tripod with a
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big movie camera on it. And it's fac. So we walk in, they was excited to see
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me. They was happy. Oh, we glad we've been looking for you. you know, um,
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we think you're going to fit this part that we looking for. I still don't know what what part this is. None, you know,
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being explained to me. My mom's wasn't there. So, you know, a lot of that I didn't like communicate with her. I
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wanted to do it on my own. So, you know, um, I thought, you know, I was like,
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"Yeah, I got this." You know, thank God, you know, things worked out, you know, to some points and extent.
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But, um, so we go there. I'm a little wet. They had me read a script.
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So, I'm pretty good reader. So, I I read the script. No stuttering. Even though I was nervous, but I I didn't stutter. I
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didn't pause, you know. So, that part I did pretty good. I felt confident I did pretty good. Um,
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now they want to see me dance. So, now they put some music on cuz they asked us to bring a tape. Back then was cassette
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tapes. We brought a tape. They popped the tape. Um, I start dancing. So now at this
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point in time, I'm a little better with my dancing, you know. I'm a little more confident, a little better with my dancing. This time pass, you know,
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because like I said, we practice all the time. Um, so I go out, I got certain moves that I
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want to do, I'm excited about, I can't do them. There's Lenolian floor, my sneakers are wet, I'm slipping and
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sliding, I need the the grip to do certain power moves. I couldn't do it. So it didn't really like work out
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the way I wanted to. So I was very very like disappointed, discouraged. I was like angry with myself. They was like,
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"Nah, don't worry. I'm doing, you know, you did good. Don't worry. We're going to have you come back." I didn't really believe that, but they did. I kept
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coming back, coming back. Every time I came back, there was more and more people. Um,
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man, it was it was a lot of, you know, artists. Chaka Khan was there.
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I started meeting all the artists, all the groups. Melly Mel, Furious Five. I mean, there was just ongoing. There was
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groups that came to audition that even get parts, you know. Um, Chaka Khan. Um, I don't
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even think she auditioned for the movie. I believe she was there for support. Like her and Harry were friends and she was there doing a throughout a
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lot of the interviewing process. So, um,
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funny part is um, God rest his soul, but Malcolm Jamal Warner auditioned for my parters le.
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What? Remember, um, remember um, what was his name? Um,
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what was the little guy? What's the name? Not Arnold. No, he said Arnold.
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Nah, the other kid. He had the TV show Webster. Webster. Webster. Emanuel Lewis.
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Brother. Yeah. Wow. By the way, audition for Lee.
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Wow. So, I I a have a clue. I was auditioning, but I at this point I still don't know I'm auditioning. Like, their
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agents told them, right? Yeah. They already knew what they was coming to do. I'm still there dancing. Like I know
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I'm there. You know what I'm saying? Like I just want to make a reference to Malcolm Jamal Warner. We were just
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talking about that how you both were like brothers to us. Like we felt like
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that. Rest in meet him. I had the pleasure to meet him, you know. Yeah.
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So this was I believe this was in his early early stages of his crazy. He really
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wasn't famous. But Cosby Show came that next year. Yeah, Cosby came out.
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Cosby was 84, too. Cosby Show wasn't just his first thing. He was done other things, you know?
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And when he auditioned for our part, they had already finished filming the Cosby. Oh, they didn't film it. Like a lot of this
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stuff. We filmed 83 movie came out 84. A lot of these TV series and many pilots,
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they're not filmed live. They even like you see like a Mory show that's filmed the previous day. Right.
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That's a previous tape recording. Yeah. Right. You know, it's very seldom you see anything live, you know?
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Right. So, like they had already filmed finished that the filming for the Cosby show, but he's done other things like
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I've heard of him too, you know? Yeah. So, when he came to audition, did you see his audition?
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I was Yeah, I had. Yeah. I was like, "What? I couldn't wait to shake his hand, say, hi, my name is Robert."
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Right. Right. Right. You know, it was when you were reading the script, was it the script from the actual movies?
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So, yeah, it was script. But, see, mind you now, I've done a few movies, man. I've done a few things. I've done commercials. Like,
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the script never stays the same, bro. It never stays the same. It could be a 20 minutes before
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we're about to shoot and they change the script. Like, it never stays the same, right? Never stays the same. Never, never,
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never, never. So, like, you just you just got to, you know, be good with memorizing your lines. Um, and be very adaptive. You
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just, you know, just keep pushing forward, bro. It's just something you do, you know. But
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yeah, so like they auditioned for my part or they auditioned for the part of Lee, which I didn't have the part yet,
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right? So, um, every time I came, there was just more and more people that was auditioning
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that like that studio was just more people. I've seen people I've seen in clubs that danced on the regular and other
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clubs. First Class, Inferno, Roxy's, Funhouse, North Mall. Like I could go on at that point in time
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like you know I'm still young. I'm not in the movie but with my friend Toxic getting us to all these clubs like all the
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security knew us. We was going on our own at that point and we was coming to dance perform and sometimes we was even
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getting paid to come out by the club owners to dance after a show or in between shows like
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like it it got it was going bro. It was really, you know, it was getting up there. So, um,
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I'll never forget at the end of it, like everybody was anxious waiting to find out, you know, in one big room, you
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know, every all the groups and all the single dancers, singers, rappers, DD DJs and everything. So, they was calling
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groups and people in from, you know, periodically. Um, then I came in and
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then like I wasn't paying attention to anybody and everybody around me because it was too much, too many people, too
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much going on at this point. I was only focusing on what was going to happen to me. Right?
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So now no major part and no dialogue part was even considered as far as I'm
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concerned. I'm just there to dance. I love dancing. That's all I want to do.
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Like you know I never thought like I would be in a movie. I wouldn't even audition for a movie if if I wanted to. My
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friends actually like yo you got to come. You know dancing was just the only thing I want to do. So, like I was here
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now and it's like, damn, bro. Um, now you're going to have a shot to at
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least if they pick you to be in a movie. They have a scene, a quick scene. Let's do this. Yeah.
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They called me in the room. I didn't know that it was the cast that was actually going to be picked. Ray Do
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Chong, um, Guy Davis, John Shotty, it was just everybody. So, they was like, you know,
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not for nothing. Congratulations, guys. You guys are going to be the cast of the movie. Mhm. And they said, "Robert, you are the big
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part of the movie. You are going to be the little brother." So I'm like, "The little brother?" They said, "Yeah, your nickname is going to your character name
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is going to be Lee." And I'm like, "Okay, funny name is my nickname is Lee." So I'm like, "All
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right, Lee." So I'm still not, you know, understanding what's going on. So now,
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um, everybody was excited. We came out. They started calling other people in, but at at this point, nobody got turned
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away. Everybody got a part in the movie. like is at at one point and and or another like nobody got turned away and
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I I think you know um God rest his soul man Harry Bellafonte
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this was like the best thing he did for us black people him being black you know him going
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through all the things that he's done all the achievements that he made in his life um
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hip-hop we all to Harry because if it wasn't for him who knows the West Coast movies ain't like ours
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they came out after I always did when they found out. Now, mind you, breaking dropped the same year as we did.
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But they found out about what was going on with us, then they did it. And that's when that whole rivalry thing became.
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Now, in my opinion, Biggie and Tupac, that rivalry with the
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rap, it started from breaking, bro. It started with break dancing, bro. Because
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there was no battle, no real battle rap back then. Like I mean the Furious Fall
31:43
I mean they was they had battle but it wasn't to the extent now with K slay and all this where people get money off
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these battle raps bro you got YouTube and all these people they becoming famous like it wasn't at that extent you know
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and it was no battle rap from east coast to west coast in ' 84 right you you can't tell me tell me one big
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one big one there weren't any n there was none it all started with the
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break dancing in my opinion I could be wrong please nobody hold me accountable for this. But that's what I believe,
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right? It started with us because let me tell you, bro, when break dancing started and we became
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famous, then the break movie came out from B Street. It yo, it just yo, we had
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West Coast rappers coming here to to battle. We had East Coast rappers going down there cuz they came here. We
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couldn't be down there without them either trying to kill us. I mean, it was crazy. It was crazy. It was really, really crazy
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from the dancer perspective. Yeah. from I don't mean kill us like kill us, but I mean they was all over us. They wanted we couldn't go nowhere
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without a battle, right? There was a lot to prove from them, bro. They was coming at us left and right. Wow.
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And it it just let me tell you, there was so many things that I've seen over the years.
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Who's better, Lee or Turbo? It got to a point where me, Michael Chambers, while we spoke about it, we
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wanted you want to do a project with me, we never got to do it, but yeah, man. Like you still can
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and they still talking about it to this day. That is so true, bro. It started with break dancing, bro.
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Cuz he did the the the the the broom, but he was locker. He was a beat, which I know it's definitely
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different. Think about what I'm telling you, man. It's the truth. There was no there was no rival rap back then with the East
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Coast against the West Coast. Yeah. It started with the break dance cuz everything was who's better? Break
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Dancing, Beast Street, Breaking One, Breaking Two, Turbo, Ozone, New York City Breakers, Rock Steady
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Crew. In my opinion, Rock Steady, New York City Study, Breakers, all of them. We always was better than them. Always.
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My opinion. It varies. Let me tell you why. Because they have a different style. Yeah. It was pop.
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We have a different style. We started this [ __ ] Rock Steady Crew, New York City Breakers, Floor Masters, it started
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with them. Mhm. We started this [ __ ] East Coast, we started this [ __ ] So they tailed, they you say coailed
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along. They they they changed it in their own style, their own music, right? Give them props. But it started because
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when we started getting famous with it, they wanted to. And now they want to
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I never I never put myself in a position where I would battle somebody from the West Coast or put anybody in any issue
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where there's a big issue like oh no. Yeah. I'm I'm not with the drama, bro. Right. I I like I said, it was always about
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dancing, having fun, man. Yeah. I don't need If it ain't about money, I don't want to hear it. I I got kids, you know? I live my life.
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I do stuff. I got my own business. I ain't got time for BS. Even now, you know, we grown. Some people still living back in in in
34:38
in the 80s. I can't knock everybody hustle, but we at some point we got to progress. We got to move forward in every aspect,
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right? In every aspect for ourselves, for our kids, for our environment, and everything around us. We got to learn
34:50
how to adapt to to survive, right? Clothes change, music's changed, computers change.
34:58
Pretty soon everything is AI. You know, you got to learn how to adapt. I go to a lot of events, man. Yo, I'm very
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grateful for who I am to this day, where I what I've been through and all the luck that I had to be who I became.
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Um, but I I go to a lot of events and I see, man, a lot of people that they
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still in that era, bro, that [ __ ] makes me feel good because, yo, it's a part of that childhood that they would never let
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go. Yo, I done did so many events, so many talks and questions, answers and
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panels where I seen kids, man, 18, 15, 21, and they
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know who I am. Yeah. They know about me. They watch my movie 30, 50 times, bro.
35:41
Right. Why? Because of their parents. That never let that go. Sometimes I be with some of my peoples
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and they be clowning them. Ah, why your man still dressed like he the 80s with the bro? First off, don't clown him.
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That's the area I grew up in. I used to dress like that. Hold up.
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I probably did too. Hold up. Right. Secondly, it was a great era.
36:06
Mhm. You know, um, and another thing to say about it was, you know,
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it affected his childhood where he still that doesn't mean he dressed like that
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every day, but he came to a vet. It's a hip-hop event. That's like going to Hollywood costume. You out of costume, bro. You don't even need to be here,
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bro. Get out. You got to be in costume. Exactly. Right. But it's the vibe, it's the feeling,
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it's the ambiance, it's the way, you know, I see that. That [ __ ] make me feel good, bro. Right. Yeah.
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My Yeah, bro. The hip-hop trooper. Yeah. Hip-hop trooper. He's dope.
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Dressed up like heard of him. I don't really know nothing about him. Like, people had to put me on and I'm not really on that social media
36:45
thing, man. I'm really just It's just too much for me, bro. You did for a while though. You You was off. You on
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and off my man. Yo, you can only have with so many friends. I got I got thousands of requests. I
36:57
can't accept people. I got mad pages. I can't go. How many pages can I make? Right. First off, you know,
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with all of that, I'll be there 24 hours a day. I mean, come on, bro.
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I lose my eyesight. I'll be 90 years old by the time I get to the last text. Like, I could show you on my phone. It
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don't stop. I could scroll like this for hours and you see confirm, confirm, deny, confirm.
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But we've both reached out. We've been
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not a social media. I can't do it. I can't do it. I mean, I'm sorry. I don't mean no disrespect.
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Every once in a while I get on, I try to, but I can't do it. You got people see for one,
37:40
everybody wants something. Oh, yeah. A lot of people don't think like, "Hey, I got a life. I'm going on." I'm not rich, bro. I have work. I have
37:47
to work. I have to wake make money, pay bills. I got kids. Five-year-old. I'm still I'm living life. I'm I'm still
37:53
I don't have free time. Not Chris Brown. Any of these people that got money, they can just travel, do what the hell they want. I can't do that.
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Yeah. You know, not for nothing, I'm not unhappy. I I Yo, bro, look at me.
38:04
I'm about to be 58 this year. I'm I'm still moving. I'm still doing stuff.
38:10
If I slow down, my age is going to catch up to my body. I'm not going to let that happen. I'm in good shape. I work out. I jog.
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Bro, I could still make You still be boy, right? I was going to say still. I mean, come on. Like, but I'm grateful,
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right? A lot of people always want some. I got people that try to reach out to me, want me to come all the way to another
38:27
country and don't want to pay me for stuff like this. That's crazy. You know, everything takes time. I got
38:32
to take time. I got to spend my own money for stuff. Listen, you want something, I ain't got a problem with that, you know. But you know, you got to
38:39
understand then people don't they don't see that you got your own life, you got things going on, right? People
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and sometimes it's attitudes and then I have other people on social media like trying to hit on me, bro. It's like
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I'm not on there for that. I came, let me tell you, I never want to do the social media thing.
38:56
I was for a long time people like, "Yo, what's up with leads, social media, Facebook?" All my friends got me to do
39:02
this [ __ ] for years. I said, "Fuck it. You know something? I'm going to start making a page. start
39:07
posting up so people know you a lot. I started getting a lot of positive feedback. Oh my god. People I haven't even spoke to or moved and I haven't
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seen since I was a little kid. You know, he looks the same. He looks
39:19
the same. It's not for me to be like trying to pick somebody up. I'm trying to look for work.
39:24
I'm trying to put my face out there to make money off of YouTube. I'm I'm not that Let me tell you something. Like my boy a
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lot of times he want to go to events. Like we went to this show one time. It's funny because It was a freestyle show. I
39:37
grew up on freestyle music. Cynthia Ola, dance to it, break dance, all that. So, we went to the show and
39:46
a lot of the performers are big fans of mine. They dragged me backstage out the audience. They had me back there
39:51
chilling. We was down in the locker room chilling in between shows. And so, I
39:57
brought my partner with me. So, he was excited, man. He's Oh my god. He's all over the place.
40:04
At some point the promoter is like, "Yo, why don't y'all go out and dance?" I'm like,
40:10
so he told that to to my partner. My partner's coming to me. I'm like, "Yo, bro," I said, "Bro, they getting paid. You
40:16
want me to go out there and dance for free? What do you I said, first off, bro, why would I be dancing? I can't
40:22
even watch the show. I'm not even part of the show, right?" And he came over some last minute stuff. I said, "Yo, not for nothing, bro. I
40:28
don't need the fame. I'm famous for life. I'm always going to be famous. I don't need to do something for fame.
40:34
Mhm. If I do something cuz I want to do it right. This guy trying to talk you in for us today. I said, "You want to dance? Go
40:39
ahead." But I actually came here, I paid for my ticket to watch the show. Yeah. I didn't come here to do that
40:44
right now. You want to, you know, get a little upset with me, but you got to understand, bro. You know, absolutely.
40:50
There's a give and take for everything. Sometimes you, you know, you okay, let's do something, but not all the time, right?
40:55
You can't let people control you. Why you think a lot of these people that are really famous, paparazzi, they try to
41:01
beat them up, kill them, they got lawsuits left and right? Because no privacy privacy. You got to respect people's privacy,
41:06
right? A lot of times. And how did you deal with that back in the day though? Cuz when when the movie dropped and after that you really famous
41:14
and young, too. I did a lot of traveling, man. Um, at that point, we I was traveling. I mean,
41:20
man, I was going all over the place. We did a couple of commercials. I I was doing mad [ __ ] I mean, but um I did a
41:26
show with New Edition, Johnny Gill, Stacy Ladaw, um Evelyn Champagne King. We did how Jackson's talented team in
41:33
the internationals. Um, from there I started traveling, going other places and I was getting mad offers, you know.
41:39
Um, then I just started slowing down. I just I started getting tired. It was just
41:45
it's too much. And I was still young, you know. You got to understand something. A lot of people don't understand, man. I
41:53
I became a movie star because well, I became a movie star. I didn't want to become a movie star.
42:00
This is not This never was a dream. This never was something that I I wanted.
42:05
Like I said, I'm an active kid. All I want to do is dance. If I could put my picture on me
42:10
dancing on on a TV or something, that's what it was always about.
42:15
Nothing else really really really me really mattered. So like
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I became a star. It wasn't something that I wanted to be. So, you know, um
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I didn't really like the fame wasn't I didn't care for that. I didn't like all of that. It was too
42:34
much. I hate girls all over me at that age. I hated people crying to me. Yo, it was just
42:40
when filming the movie when it all started, I had to give up my childhood. A lot of people really don't understand.
42:45
Like, I left in the morning before they before the sun came up. There was a limo downstairs that picked me up 3 4 in the
42:50
morning every day of the week. I came home 10, 11, 12:00 at night to go back to do it the next day again.
42:56
They took me out of school. They had a tutor for me. I didn't see my friends. I couldn't hang out. I couldn't go shopping. I couldn't
43:02
see my girlfriend. Like, I had no childhood, bro. I didn't ask for that.
43:07
All I wanted to do was dance in a movie, get an audition real quick, be in a part, and that's it.
43:12
I didn't Yo, I had to give up a whole lot. Yeah. I gave up my childhood to be Lee.
43:18
Wow. And that's not something that I wanted to do because I didn't know what came with it, right?
43:23
You see a lot of these stars go through a lot of stuff, man. [ __ ] is tough, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I can I
43:29
I It took me away from so much. Yeah. Even my family, I come home, they sleeping, I leave, they still sleeping.
43:35
Let me tell you, it had got to a point where I play sick, not to be in certain scenes to go hang out with my friends,
43:41
bro. Go to a club that night, right? I did it a few times, right? I had to lie and play sick.
43:46
Yeah. Yeah, just to go hang out. I had no life. And it got worse after the movie. Right. Wow.
43:52
Right. I wasn't part of any group. Rock Steady, New York Street Breakers. They they they took off. They they started going on
43:58
tour overseas, B Street. They was doing their thing. I I I'm glad I couldn't I I wasn't even on their
44:04
level at that point. I wasn't a part of the group either. Yeah. But I don't think I I would have been able to to do it to deal with it. It was
44:10
I was already going through my own [ __ ] Right. I want to ask you how did they receive you? Those two cuz you were
44:16
Man, it's family, bro. Yeah. Okay. Family. I mean, you know, I'm young. I mean, these guys are veterans. They see
44:22
me come in. I'm a little brother. I'm just learning. They know. They know. New York City break. They just took me under the wing like a little brother. Okay.
44:28
And let me tell you, there was a battle on on on the set, but they was actually they got along, man. They they friends,
44:35
bro. They got along. Yeah. You know, it was no real drama there. It was all, you know,
44:41
they just dancing groups. They competed and that's what they did. They was very competitive and whoever they needed to
44:46
compete with, they did it. Whether it was a friend group or not, a neighboring group or not, right?
44:52
It's just who wanted to be the best at what they do. You can't The Olympians do that. You can't be mad at that,
44:57
right? I always want to ask you, so from the battle of the Roxy, right, there's
45:03
there's a part I'm very detailed with the eye. So there's there's a scene where when you go out, you go down,
45:08
right? You got on a knee pad and then it cuts and then you I know and then you go
45:14
into a back spin. It looked like you was trying to do a head spin but you came down. What were you trying No, I did what I did. Oh, you did. Okay.
45:19
Came out to do a suicide pop. Okay. All right. All right. I thought you was trying to go into a head spin and then I mean but you couldn't get up
45:26
there so you just No, it was it was like a suicide pop. Okay. I always wonder like was he trying to do a head spin or I always wondered
45:32
that. Yeah. My head spins wasn't like their head spins and they had head spins. They had head spins, right? Okay. Yeah,
45:37
they really had aspects cuz it kind of looked like just from my perspective, it looked like you were disappointed that you didn't get into
45:42
what you were trying to do. Nah, you know, I I just I wanted to do a little more. Right. I could see that cuz you was
45:48
like, "No, I mean, not as far as booze. I wanted to go a little further." Okay. Like we had Okay. So,
45:54
there we all had time like you know like we couldn't go out there and do 10 minutes of moves. Like you had to go out there and do a movie and be out like too
46:00
many people. It was a you know it was a film you know they was filming. It was just everything was timing right? So, I mean, I got to show off
46:07
some moves. I'm happy, bro. It was dope. It was dope. I got I got that point at that point in my life, I got to to really People know
46:14
who the hell I was, right? Yeah. I mean, they know about Lee, but they seen they seen Robert dance.
46:20
Yeah. That's what's up. That's what it was always about. That's why like like that movie star [ __ ] it really
46:26
I never it never went to my head, man. I'm very humble, bro. I'm very very grounded. It never
46:32
Right. It never did. The interesting thing about the movie Beast Street is that you
46:38
have like Rayon Chong, Guy Davis is an actor. Um, Ramo's an actor. They're
46:45
actor actors and then you have, you know, the others like Cool Herk is in
46:50
there. Bambada and then there's hip-hop, right? Then there's hip-hop
46:55
and it's all kind of and then you know Harry Bellafonte and then smooshed kind of in this thing. Did it did did
47:02
anything did everybody get along? Was was it Of course we did. So
47:09
like this is my first movie. I mean I never really knew how a movie would you know the production would go but we we
47:17
pretty much the only thing they did was do the filming. Say that again.
47:22
Only thing that they did was the filming. Okay. We was the movie. They didn't know [ __ ] about the hood.
47:27
Yeah. The clothes. We picked the clothes. Now the reason why we bought Pumas and we couldn't get Adidas is because they had
47:33
an endorsement with somebody else, right? It was another movie a group of son and we couldn't do it. So we had to get Puma
47:40
to endorse us, right? And at that point everybody wanted to endorse us. But Adidas
47:45
was the sneaker at that point, but we couldn't. It was an issue with them. They had already endorsed somebody else.
47:50
So and it had to do with the breakdancing and things. So and that was your sneaker choice at then. Adidas. All of us, you know, for sure.
47:57
When we worked out, right? Definitely worked out. We worked out. We had the suits, everything. They endorsed us, you know. Um,
48:02
but we we they didn't I mean, Harry Bella finally black, but he never lived in the project.
48:08
Yeah. He never drove through that [ __ ] He never stopped for lunch. I don't [ __ ] know how we dress, what we wear. Right.
48:13
Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, they didn't know our style. Yeah. Right. They didn't know our style in any
48:19
aspect, whether it was dressing, whether the style of rapping or graffiti artist,
48:25
they didn't know our style. So, you know, we was partners with them. We had to show them what it was really like.
48:32
Cuz the thing was it was a movie, but it was based on a true movie of a true events
48:37
of true people, of true lifestyles. It wasn't a movie from a script that was made up. And now we got the wardrobe,
48:43
something you never wore before, right? Something you never, you know? Yeah. So, we all the clothes we picked, I
48:50
picked the Kangos, I picked the Kazak, that was me. All all the shirts, all the jeans, the Levis's,
48:56
the pit strike, that was the bombers. That was that was me. Yeah. Where I did the wardrobe. I was I was the one
49:02
to pick all that. Where did y'all go? J man. You shopping at J Man. Nah. N.
49:07
Okay. Cuz man was Jew man was the hood. Was the hood. Okay. They was going to the sauce. They was buying bulk.
49:12
Bulk. Okay. They was going This [ __ ] was coming in boxes. But let me tell you, when the bombers came in, I was so excited. I
49:19
couldn't I couldn't I took some home. I couldn't decide what color I wanted to wear for the movie. I had like 10 of
49:24
them [ __ ] Wow. I took home 12. Do we still have any of this stuff? Um, nah. Nothing.
49:29
I I had the beast street jacket. You got the beast jacket. Dar jacket. Wow. Yo, who who made up? Cuz I used to
49:35
always see I saw Pex, Powerful Pex. You used to always put the goggles on the shoulder. Who who who who came up with
49:42
that was some fly. I don't before the movie. I used to wear goggles. Yeah, you had to stop for all of us, right? Then he if you in the movie and
49:48
we all in um in the in the in the building or whatever on interville I think on a whatever he had the goggles on the shoulder with the beast jacket
49:55
and I was like I used to always see cats do that had rock the goggles on the on the shoulder I'm like I see this not for
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nothing you know that that was the style right and it's crazy cuz the other day I was at a bike shop and I seen goggles I'm
50:07
about to bring the style out for the winter right you know that's I seen a pair I'm going to rock watch you'll see me when I start posting yo that yo
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I'm about to bring it back though for real but um Oh go ahead. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was No, I was going to ask um I mean
50:20
for me be street was everything, right? But then I would talk to other people like Melly Mel or somebody that was
50:27
living in the Bronx. I'm not a native New Yorker and they would be like, "Yeah, it was all right, but it wasn't
50:32
authentic to the to the to the Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, you know. Um
50:38
I could say for me, you know, that that was okay. So you got to keep in mind different aspect." So Melly and his
50:44
group they I'm not I don't I'm just saying I'm just saying like from their aspect maybe
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things didn't go the way they wanted it to go. I was part of the cast. So from my aspect everything was the way
50:56
I wanted it to. No no I'm not saying anything wrong way. But you know I mean I'm pretty sure
51:02
people had issues with them that they wanted something a certain way. You know the way they dress the you know
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Africa bamb and all of them right? That was their choice. That's what they wore when they performed. They was the
51:14
ones that put them on how to dress. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They dressed themselves. Like, you know, I'm pretty sure they gave him
51:20
a hard times with certain things. But I didn't have a problem. Yeah. Because like I said, you know, they got
51:26
a lot of their influence of how to do this movie from all of us. Right. Right. Because even though they may give Mel
51:32
and some problems with with things that he wanted, he still got to wear their they wore their outfits.
51:37
That's how I always remembered them. how they dress with the fire and yo their performance is always crazy like even Africa Bamboden
51:45
when he come out with so sonic force I mean come on bro they were dressing wild how they dress
51:51
you don't even see that anymore people dress different in a similar sense but not not that different
51:57
not that different I mean you know everybody I I was the cast so I was a little boy they didn't know as far as my aspect so I mean I
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didn't have any issues everything you see my wardrobe and my group that was That was
52:09
cuz they didn't know what the hell we wore. I was like, "Yeah, this that and the third." I was the one show showing them everything to get little chain and
52:14
all that like right the only thing we couldn't get was right. Adidas.
52:20
So So the part where you go that's a bit was that in the script or you improvised? No, everything was script.
52:25
That was script. Okay. Was it the mini bit that came right? So yeah, we didn't use our own words. Okay. We just influenced the how we dress and
52:31
how we dance and the music and the way we write. We didn't allow them to commercialize anything that we've done
52:38
or was doing our thing. Mine dancing, him as a graffiti, a DJ. We didn't let them change nothing about it.
52:45
Right. Uhhuh. You understand? Yeah. They we we got a part of the movie, but there's certain things we did not give
52:50
up. And we did not give that up. None of us. Right. Everything you see in that movie was authentic. Okay.
52:55
In the club scenes, that's how people went to clubs at that time back in the day. The way they dressed, it was crazy.
53:01
We did not give that up. We did not we did not give up who we were, bro. Yeah. And that what captured the world.
53:07
Yeah. That is what took on a whole new era of hip-hop. Let me tell you,
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people dress in any way around the world. There's a hood in every world. All around the world, people have their
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dances. But when I hit the big screen and it went nation international,
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we changed the face of the world. This is a fact. And look at hip- hop to this day. I have
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on I have on Pumas right now because of these street because of y'all. I mean, excuse my language, but real talk. You
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know Pumas. Suede Pumas. Pumas. I wore these just for this. Where your fat laces do though?
53:39
I I ain't go that far. I should I should have bought the fat lace. I didn't go that far though. I didn't go that far. You know what I mean?
53:46
What's up? You've been in a couple other movies. Did What made you stop acting? Like why would you had a kid, man? You know, I started it.
53:53
You know, it just like I said, it was it takes a lot away from you. You can't. Why you think a lot of these performers
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and actors, they go through episodes with mental and it's a lot. You give a lot of yourself up, man.
54:07
You really really, you know, everybody just looks for the fame and the money and the stardom. But
54:12
for every good is bad. Everything is a balance. You got to you have to be strong.
54:17
And you don't matter how strong you are, some things you just can't take anymore of at some points in your life, you know. Um, nothing bad happened. I just I
54:25
had a had kids, you know. Um it was taking away a lot of my free time
54:32
and I I wanted to start just, you know, I just slowed down until a point I was just wasn't doing
54:37
anything anymore unless people was calling me to do little beast feet related events like Right. Yeah. You know, but it it's just a lot.
54:43
And then I started doing other things like figuring out how to make money. I started um so one of my Okay, so I have
54:52
a business. I'm I I do staging. Okay. Staging. I do I'll do events. I do concerts,
54:58
anything from mobile staging and I also stage hand, local stage one. I work out of colleges, Apollo. I do all
55:05
kind of stuff. Summer jam, um, citizens globe, glo global citizen, author.
55:11
So, you know, started doing that. And I started doing that. I started getting into business. Started contracting,
55:17
getting contracted by people, people I knew, people I was worked with in the business. And I just started doing that,
55:22
you know, and just live, you know, travel a lot. Travel a lot. Yeah.
55:28
Whether it's business or it's just family, but I love to travel. Um I travel a lot,
55:33
right? And um just here, grateful to be here. I'm still here. Still
55:39
still leave, still still able to to move and do everything that I can. Um
55:44
I might I just funny, you know, speaking of I might be doing a gig with Mass Skills. He actually reached out to me.
55:50
from our guy from VSR. Yeah, they just skills. See, he's a catchy guy.
55:56
Get us to go down. Um, he trying to Yeah, he hooked they hooked up with me over the weekend. Good. Call me. I was actually on
56:02
vacation when he hit me up. Okay. And I came back and um Yeah, they want to do he wants Mascus
56:08
wants to give me legs to come down do a screening. Okay. And question answer. And I said we'll see. We'll see what happens.
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That's good. That's good. October. We'll see. That's He's a good guy, right? Yeah. Money always talk, bro.
56:20
Yeah, I hear you. And I I I want to thank you again, man, just for doing the interview cuz sometimes they'll bang you
56:27
and and and and listen, man, people going to say and feel and think anything they want. You know, you always,
56:32
like I said, you got to stay humble. You got to stay grounded. You can't control a person's emotions or their actions.
56:39
When you do, then you bring them out of their time zone. Yeah. But that doesn't necessarily always
56:44
happen. But for that to happen, you got to allow a person to do that. Yeah. You know, people always going to
56:50
say what they want to say or think or feel. I can't change that. Can't change your mind. I don't want to.
56:55
I'm not I'm not here for that. I'm here for me to live my life. You know, all I can say is meet me.
57:01
Yeah. Judge me on your own opinion. Yeah. Don't go by what somebody else say or what you heard or what you might think.
57:07
Right. If you don't know me, you don't really have the right to say anything positive or negative. Unless you really
57:13
know me. Right. Right. If it's personal, you don't have that right. Yeah. Right. You might heard my name from
57:19
somebody else, but they call me in the street or this that and the third, but you don't know me. Meet me. All I say, meet me. Get to know
57:25
me. Get to know who I am. Not Lee. Right. Robert, see a lot of things, a lot of times
57:31
people only see Lee. Let me just real quick in that. Yeah. When I go places, I don't
57:37
like people to know who I am. Let me explain to you why. If I go on somewhere, I be like, "Yeah, I'm Lee from the be street."
57:43
People treat me different. People act different. They go out their way for me. I like to come in a room where nobody
57:48
know who I am. So the first reaction I get from that person is a true honest reaction.
57:53
Right? Now I've done that and got a negative reaction. Overlooked it and later on they're like,
57:59
"Oh, now they want to come and kiss my ass and say, hey, I say, hey, wasn't you that person that early?"
58:05
Yeah. Now you want to say hi. See, but that you get to know people when they know who you are, they go out their way and
58:11
jump out the window just right. It's for that. It's for Lee. It's not for Robert, right? I don't want you know Lee. He lees a
58:16
character, bro. Yeah. Right. I mean, you want to leave, go watch the movie. You got to get to know who Robert is,
58:22
right? I'm not nothing like him. Yeah. People do get that different person. That's a character. I'm fiction. You're fiction. I'm, you
58:28
know, reality. No, I feel you. I was always raised to treat not you saying you a janitor, but I was always raised to treat the janitor
58:34
like the CEO. Meaning, treat everybody the same. No matter who they are, it doesn't matter. Some accomplishments,
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you know, you show honor, you show respect. Uhhuh. But to an extent, right,
58:46
if if even if I wasn't who I am as as far as like a old movie star, hip hop,
58:51
you know, I mean, I I'm not going crazy with somebody. I I there's a lot of artist. I love JD kids. There's a lot of
58:57
fabulous, but I'm not going to go crazy to jump out the window to go to meet him and get a right. I never been that type of person like
59:04
Right. I mean, I always try to you got to But they should be fanning out of you.
59:09
Actually, matter of fact, Jay's dad does. I don't think he knows that. Do you know that? Did you know that Jay kiss fans out over you if you
59:15
I mean I heard I heard I heard my name a couple of times Jiss there's footage of him bboying in his so do y'all know
59:22
about Nas of Of course I know about I know Nas big fan of mine yeah I was at the I was at the event he
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hosted but you wasn't there they didn't they didn't reach out to me are you serious I'm dead ass it's all right
59:33
wow everything happened for that's all he was talking about listen I
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wasn't invited to that event but anyway so so then then you know about the play that's coming to Broadway.
59:45
Yes, of course I do. Talk to us. Talk to us. Are you excited about it? Are you a part of it? Let's
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listen. Well, nobody reached out to me yet. Okay. So, we'll see. But I'm very excited. I mean, if it's going to something I was a
59:56
part of becoming a play, it'll never die, bro. We got museums opening up in New York, one in in DC. Like, come on.
1:00:03
Right. I mean, I I'm long gone. People still going to remember, right? I mean, I'm very honored. Why was not to
1:00:09
be honored about that? Let me share something else with you. Uh, I DJ for Wuang Clan. From Raycon for Wuen Clan. He's a huge fan of yours.
1:00:16
Really? Yes. That's crazy. Yes. I think I heard once or twice. They might have me.
1:00:21
Yeah. Huge. I mean, I heard over the years. Yeah. Yeah. But the Nas thing Well, how did you find
1:00:26
out he was your fan? That I've been knew about that. But he he met
1:00:32
Yeah, I was in the rap. But listen, it's funny, right? One day I was driving. I was on a trip somewhere and I was just
1:00:38
leaving out of town. I like to drive. I do a lot of So, um I was listening to I
1:00:45
don't know Funk Flex. It was a Hot 97 show. Angie Martinez, I think it was Angie, but she was with Hot 97. She had
1:00:51
N. And yo, she was like, "Yo, nah." So, he had a big concert coming up. I don't
1:00:57
remember the year was, but she was like, "Yeah, so like what are some of the things that get you amped up in the dressing room before?" He said, "What?"
1:01:04
He said, "Yo, a cold Bev." And he said, "The movie, that's his favorite movie. to put it on before I perform on every
1:01:10
show. I was like, "Wow, pulled once." Yes. Yeah, that's crazy.
1:01:15
So, I I kind of knew that from at that point, you know. Um, yeah. So, like, but
1:01:20
that thing that they did, I wasn't invited. Nobody reached out to How were you not invited to that? I don't know. A couple of my partners
1:01:26
from the movie. I know Michael Hman had something to do with it. They couldn't find you. I know. Nah, they could find me. Stop.
1:01:32
Um, Tony Wave, he was there. Yeah, he was there. I don't know. Nobody reached out to me. I don't know her name. Carmen was dead,
1:01:38
the actor. Not only that, but so Harry Bellfonte's daughter, Gina,
1:01:44
Mhm. she found out about it and I don't know, she wasn't on the list and they turned away. She never made it in.
1:01:50
They turned Gina away at that event. That's Was that at Tribeca? Yes, at Tribeca, bro. I was there. This
1:01:56
where I got this shirt from. Nobody told me. Nobody Nobody I didn't go to that. But that I don't know how I heard about it.
1:02:01
And that's all Nas was talking about. I don't know how. We going We We got to fix that. Yo, but let me let me tell you something, bro.
1:02:07
Not everybody want me in everything. You got to understand that. I learned that. Is there a reason for that? It just I
1:02:13
was seen. You were in the movie. You was like, "Yo, let me tell you something that I've learned." Like, so a lot of the things
1:02:18
that I've do over the years that have to do with be street, I don't Everything comes to me.
1:02:24
I've been on projects where people Okay, so there's a lot of people that's into
1:02:30
hip-hop in the movie and a lot of things that they they trying to do big things for themselves, you know, and a lot of times I disrupt
1:02:36
that. You got to look at it in a certain way, bro. A lot of time I disrupt that when I come in a room and a lot of things, bro,
1:02:43
attention come to me in a lot of cases, right? And it's not fair to other people, too. So, you know, I'm humble, bro. I'm
1:02:50
humble. So you saying you take the shine away from other time. It happens.
1:02:55
Yeah, it happens. Sometime people don't want me around because of certain things maybe. So it it could be your show,
1:03:02
right? And we from the same me being there might take away what you
1:03:07
trying to promote. Yeah. I mean I I get it. Some people are like that. But I I mean you're the lead
1:03:14
lead actor. Yo, now yo, everything happens for me. I need the hands of God.
1:03:19
You know what I'm saying? I got you. I don't stress nothing. I don't Right. Just just knowing that they made they
1:03:24
making a play and people still look up to me and even famous people. No. Right.
1:03:29
It's enough, bro. Right. You know, but not everybody want me everywhere. Always know that. So true. Let me ask you a question.
1:03:35
We're celebrating um the anniversary of hip-hop today, ironically, and you're here, right? Yes. Um obviously hip-hop has changed, you
1:03:41
know, the fashion, the music, the attitude. Um how do you perceive hip-hop now? Is anybody you rocking with now?
1:03:47
Like what's your take on quote unquote the music? I listen to a lot of music, man. I'm very adaptive. I listen I'm adaptive
1:03:53
with gear, clothing, style, music. I listen to a lot of artists. Okay. You know, um there's not really nobody I
1:04:00
don't listen to. Okay. I'm not into all of that BS, you know? Right. Any of that, you know, drill rapping and
1:04:06
I ain't call it BS, but like I don't understand it. So, it's for me. It's not for me. I'm not into all that like
1:04:12
disrespectful rap or any cursing or downplaying anybody. I'm not that's I'm
1:04:18
into Drake, you know, love songs. I'm into old school rap like fabulous, right?
1:04:23
Fabulous ain't talking about nobody talking about shining and you know Jakus and all of them. Nas, you know,
1:04:29
I listen to all kind of music. I listen to Cardi B, you know, right? I listen to music, man. I get in the car that come on, it grow on you, right?
1:04:36
Maybe how many times you heard a song you didn't like and then you heard the song. Yeah, it's called programming. You're like
1:04:41
huming and you singing next, yo, play that song, right? Damn, did I just say that? Right, right, right.
1:04:47
Now, let me ask you a hip-hop question. Do you still have Do you have any tapes from back in the days from the Park Jams? Like any Bambada, Cool Herk tapes,
1:04:54
any My cousin has all any any T connection Harlem World? My cousin, you know what I mean?
1:04:59
Yeah, he has everything. N I wish. N I really don't know anybody that does,
1:05:07
right? No, I got a lot of tape, so I just figured I'm just saying I mean that's be worth a fortune these days.
1:05:12
Yeah, definitely. And then you got people that do have them that don't want to let them go. Even put them out there.
1:05:17
Well, a lot of it is on the internet, right? A lot of it is on on YouTube because a lot of people don't want to share it. They want the actual tape now. You're
1:05:24
not going to get that. You're not going to get that. I don't think it's worth selling. Like that's something that you would
1:05:29
Hell no. Right. Like a lot of my stuff, my kids, you know, they not into breaking and they wasn't into that era. So, it doesn't
1:05:35
mean nothing to them. Wow. It's fine. They they I mean, it's cool. My kids, they they
1:05:41
grew up me famous. They know who I am. I'm not No, that's like runs. His kids don't look at him as nobody big,
1:05:46
right? You know that's my dad. He ain't nobody. It's my dad. My dad, right?
1:05:52
But I always let them know like, "Yo, bro, you see how the Pokemon card 20 years later is worth $2 million. My
1:05:59
stuff going to be worth a lot more." Keep in mind, bro, cuz you got something from somebody that started something
1:06:05
from the very, very, very beginning that's going to be priceless one of these days, right? I already got stuff that's going
1:06:11
to be in the museum, so you know. Yeah, that's still Yeah, I saw you got the figure. They they made a um Yeah, I got a couple
1:06:16
You got a couple action figures. I I didn't get my hands on one, but I definitely saw that. I think out in
1:06:21
Arizona out in Phoenix, the trail store. I think I was there, too. They paid me to go out there. Yeah. Um is a nice gentleman.
1:06:27
Yeah. So, that's a by the way, you should go out there. It's a dope. I sent him a beach.
1:06:32
Okay. Okay. Um your son's a rapper, right? Yeah, he's a true rapper. How do you how do you you know how y'all how do y'all
1:06:40
work out in I don't I you know um he's good he's really good at it. Um like I said it's not really my type of
1:06:46
music. Okay. I mean it hasn't grown on me at this point but he's good at it. I mean he's making money so
1:06:53
I mean it can't be that bad. Yeah. He ain't out on the streets nothing doing anything negative. So
1:06:58
I give him a lot of credit. Yeah. I mean if that's a way to make money without taking or hurting or robbing or
1:07:04
stealing. Uhhuh. I just having my little concerns because you
1:07:10
know as a young child actor you know a lot of that money can change you
1:07:16
can make you become something that you parents didn't have intended for you right
1:07:21
you know I mean you know lot of people bad people in the
1:07:27
world you know from fame bro I ain't want to say that but y'all know y know what you're saying you know um
1:07:34
just I I Really honestly, I want him to learn what it's like to make an honest dollar. Working, picking up a box,
1:07:40
right? Driving a car, making a delivery. Yeah. Cuz at this point, if he's going to if he go through his life like that, he'll
1:07:47
never appreciate the little things, man. Right. Right. You know, you know, when you get something that's given to you or fast
1:07:54
money, you go through quicker because you don't appreciate it to whereas if you had to work 40, 80, 120 hours a week
1:08:00
to save up that money to get that. Right. Right. You got to learn responsibility.
1:08:07
That's a heavy that's kids do it differently. It comes you it comes, you know, you
1:08:12
gota you got, you know, it doesn't come easy. You got to earn it. You got to you got to go through the process, the steps, man.
1:08:18
Yeah. Yo, I'm be 58 this year. Let me tell you, I'm still learning things, right?
1:08:23
And I'm grateful cuz I love to learn. You're never too old to learn something. The littlest things you got to pay attention to.
1:08:29
The littlest things you don't overlook. Mhm. The littlest people in your life you always appreciate.
1:08:34
Tomorrow's not promised. Right. Right. Today, gone tomorrow, famous yesterday, a bump tomorrow.
1:08:41
Bump tomorrow. No, it's fact. I mean, non honestly, you got to stay grounded. You got to stay grounded. Humility is the biggest thing in your
1:08:47
life, right? In your world. You know what you give out is a strong vibe. It comes back,
1:08:53
right? That's a fact. How you deal with people, man. That's why all the negative I say, "You got to come eat me, man. You don't know what
1:08:59
I'm about. you know who I am. You can say anything and listen to anybody and go by what they say, but do you know me?
1:09:06
Right? Do you know me? Well, the reality is is, man, when I saw you um with the National uh Hip Hop
1:09:12
Museum, I I did observe and I did watch and I did listen to you talk from the stage and then and then that's when I
1:09:19
came over to you. You know what I mean? Because you did you made a great impression on me. You know what I'm saying? And that's ultimately why, you
1:09:26
know, I mean, honestly, me and Thorough talked about it. We were both going to go, but um he didn't make it. And we
1:09:34
were really going to see you. It was a good turnout. Yeah, it was it was a great it was a good crazy all the action figures sold out
1:09:39
before I got there. Of course. Why wouldn't they? They should have saved one. Save one. I got some now, but for me,
1:09:45
oh man, I'm the main attraction, but you got to me. You ain't got to dog me for me, bro.
1:09:50
Right. Facts. Facts. I could have been a bomb and just blew up. head so angry like ah bro
1:09:56
but no n just joking but I mean yeah I mean you know it was sold out it was a good vibe I had
1:10:02
a good time you know um but there was like one important thing that I did
1:10:07
stress I don't know if you remember you know I'm very grateful to for you know the opportunity I got to be who I was
1:10:14
but you know for me I think my character really really took over a lot of people that
1:10:20
could relate it wasn't it was a lot of things about me, but the biggest part I think
1:10:26
was the little brother. Everybody related to that little brother side. The little strugg little brother
1:10:31
struggles trying to be a part of something bigger than him. Mhm. Right. That's a fact.
1:10:36
You know, I mean, everybody been there at some point whether you had an older brother or not, but there was a somebody that was there
1:10:43
in that place that you, you know, was But you were fighting to be at that point. Of course,
1:10:49
we were all trying. It's always about what you you know, determination. You got And there's a lot of so much talent
1:10:56
from us, man. Yeah. I I I know we like the dominant species. Yo. Yeah. No, that's a fact. You can say
1:11:03
that. Egyptians. Come on, man. Yeah. No, that's a fact. Who was better than the Egyptians back then? They still haven't figured that out.
1:11:09
Still haven't figured it out. Still haven't figured it out. Yeah. Who? You tell me. That's a fact. Nah. Who had the jewels? Who had the style?
1:11:15
Who had They was doing hair. Teeth and front. Dental work. are so superior
1:11:21
surgery. And the crazy part about it is a lot of us don't know it.
1:11:27
A lot of us are not aware. A lot of us don't accept it. And a lot of us don't know what to do with it.
1:11:34
Yeah. No, that's a fact. Sad. But you know, we find our way, man. You know, some people get the message a
1:11:40
little slower than others, but we find our way. For me, I think being a kid was
1:11:45
tough, but what really changed my life was having kids. Being a dad, y I love being a dad. I love my kids.
1:11:52
They like the best part of me. They bring childhood back out of me. Like I, bro, I like going to music parks. I like
1:11:58
riding. Well, we went Yo, let me tell you. I took them to Vegas on a trip. Bro, I was we was doing a zipline
1:12:04
downtown Vegas. Yo, we went to Red Rock Canyon, Hoover Dam. We drove to LA. We
1:12:09
was at the Hollywood sign. Then we went across to the other side to the observatory. Bro, my kids got me. Like, they got that
1:12:16
the energy I have is because of them, man. I love being a dad, you know? I come from a bad neighborhood. We still
1:12:21
in a bad neighborhood, you know? Um, I can't keep them in these streets, bro. I have to keep them out of these
1:12:27
streets. And I got to show them there's more to life than growing up on the corner, than growing up with a gun in your
1:12:33
pocket, right? Growing up selling drugs. There's other ways of making money, you know? Like I said, I got my own business, bro. I'm a
1:12:40
contractor. I've been in this business since 2010. Uhhuh. Um when I officially started my own, you
1:12:46
know, I had my son working with me since he was 14, making 800,200, $2,000. He's been he
1:12:52
know how to manage money, how to spend money, right? You know, um but like just having them, bro, they
1:12:59
give me so much energy. Like like I said, being in that neighborhood, I got to get them out of it. So I got to let
1:13:05
them know like, you know, every year we do a family vacation two and three times a year. Oh, that's so we can travel. They know
1:13:10
there's more to life. So when they finish college and they want they talking about a trip, it's a real trip. When they want to take his girl
1:13:16
somewhere, they going to Bahamas. You know, they going they know about traveling. They know more about the
1:13:22
world than just the corners, right? And I got I got peoples that they kids
1:13:27
don't leave the neighborhood. They don't even go to amusement park in the summertime, right? And I I I can't have my kids doing that.
1:13:33
They got to know there's more to it. And it comes from us. It's about us. It starts with us. And you know, like I
1:13:39
said, it's a good thing, man, cuz my kids give me so much energy, bro. I'll be the first one up in the morning. Yo,
1:13:44
come on. Y'all ready? Let's go. We out, right? I can see the excitement, boy. Like, yo,
1:13:50
yo, it's a great thing, man. That's beautiful, man. Both fathers, too. Everything happened for a reason. I lost
1:13:56
a lot of my life trying to be, you know, living a life as a movie star and doing all kind of stuff, making
1:14:02
money, and but at some points in time, you know, you want other things. And when I slowed down and I stopped with
1:14:08
that, another part of my life opened up. And yo, life is beautiful, man. Do you have any regrets?
1:14:14
Uh, everybody have regrets, but nothing major. I mean, let me tell you
1:14:20
something. Regrets come from mistakes you feel you made.
1:14:26
Right. True. Yeah. Regrets come from things that you felt that you did wrong in a certain way or
1:14:32
said something. Everything's happens for a reason. Without a regret, there's no mistake. Without a mistake, there's no growth,
1:14:40
no lesson. True. The best teacher life is experience, bro. Right. Yeah.
1:14:45
Yeah. That's a fact. We got to learn from from all our regrets. We got to learn from all our mistakes, you know? That's what makes us
1:14:52
where we are to this day, right? So, um, a question about BC. Where the hell
1:14:58
is the unedit the extended footage? Because I know there's footage, unreleased footage. Uh, you know, not for nothing. There
1:15:04
there is, but it's not a lot. They wasn't really doing a lot of that because I seen that scene where y'all in the record store like there's there's
1:15:11
scenes that I'm like, where's that at? Wasn't there, you know, you you could find some around, but there wasn't like keeping bloopers and
1:15:17
stuff like that. There's no there wasn't it wasn't really it wasn't hot there cuz I want to see that stuff like you know what I mean?
1:15:23
I mean, a lot of that stuff like when the movie was done, we had to go and do the looping. A lot of that stuff that they added our
1:15:28
voice to and cut out. It wasn't clear. They they got rid of that. I mean, there's a real somewhere, right? Yeah, somebody got it. Maybe Stan Leon, the
1:15:36
director. I'm pretty sure he got it. Right. Of course. Where did you go to see the movie when it came out? If you did theater.
1:15:42
Okay. And that's like the the most prestigious theater to go see a premiere in New York City. Now, was was your was your family there?
1:15:48
Like, how was what? Man, my family, bro. My neighborhood. I I had my own
1:15:55
section, right? I had the top row, the middle section, and the two sides. That was everybody I
1:16:00
knew. All my friends that I made along the way, the friends I grew up with, their family members, their friends and
1:16:06
girlfriends family. Yo, bro, I had my own section. Wow. We came in there like we coming off the
1:16:12
block, right? And bro, when we when it was over, like we got a lot of
1:16:18
It was a great feeling, man. It was a great dope, man. It was an experience. So, yo, yo, speak going to the gear right at
1:16:26
the end of B Street when you in the Roxy, right? When the day the end of the show you had on this white I never seen this before. You had on a white the
1:16:32
white nylon puma joint. It was white with the red burgundy and burgundy and gray. No. No. At the end you had on a white
1:16:39
stage. We was on stage and I had the the the thing around the Yeah, that was that was Puma. No, but it
1:16:44
was burgundy. I never seen that color before. That offset. It was more white than burgundy. So Chuck Trill,
1:16:51
right? He got He got that. I'm like, "Yo, where did he get that, bro? I never seen that before." Actually, I was I was I was
1:16:57
there a week before I went with y'all. I was in Arizona a week before. I was there for like the weekend.
1:17:02
I had he had the red t for show and then I came home for Christmas with my family
1:17:07
and then I flew out to go to the to be inducted. That's crazy. That scene was crazy. Yeah, he got it. Yo, my So my partner Oh
1:17:14
my god. He bought m Chuck his Yo, but he got stuff I never seen before. He got
1:17:20
stuff I I I never thought I would see again, bro. We got mock necks. Original KGO. Yo,
1:17:27
bro. Playboys. I'm having a heart attack.
1:17:32
Yo, bro. He had the suits hanging up on walls. Like he has Who painted the beast street breakers?
1:17:38
Who who did that? Oh, uh I believe that was phase two. Phase two. Phase two makes sense.
1:17:44
I believe that was phase two. See, there's even a a section when they was advertising the movie. You see phase two tagging up, but he was in but
1:17:50
he was the one that actually um he was the one that actually uh taught Ramon, right, how to paint, right?
1:17:56
They used to go out, you know, like cuz they split us up in the beginning. So for me, like I was a I wasn't an actor.
1:18:04
A lot of us there only like two people, three people had acting out of the cast had acting experience.
1:18:10
So we had a coach actress. She would take us out. We would go around the city in this big old bus and
1:18:16
we'd go in just nice sceneries, parks, all kind of places and start rehearsing
1:18:22
our script somewhere private, right? You know, and they split us up and then, you know, they had other people doing
1:18:28
other things, the the artists and Right. So, it was it was just different stages, but they split everybody up until we
1:18:34
just Right. was able to get everything together, you know? Right. Even when the movie came on the intro, you had the blue and white Puma
1:18:40
joint on and I'm like nobody had that on. Like I mean that was flying. Keep in mind we it was it was sponsored
1:18:47
now, right? No, Flip Rock had one on you. Wanted to be a part of this Puma, but we didn't want Puma, but they sent
1:18:53
us everything they had, you know, but us wearing them made them suits. You know how hard it is to get a suit
1:18:59
now? I know who you talking. You know how much if you could find one? No, I got I got two. I got the black and gray and I got the the black and white
1:19:04
one you had on the party. They even got imitations that they sell knockoffs and people bought them,
1:19:09
right? And overseas, like Japan, that's crazy, bro. You could get money for one of them
1:19:15
suits right now. No, I I I got two. Yo, they we we we blew all of that up. It It just went
1:19:20
No, you did. Everybody in the world started wearing that after the movie. Everybody the whole culture. I'm very honored, man. Let me
1:19:26
tell you, bro. I got people that made jackets. Yo, I got so much [ __ ] People I mean, I got so many I got dolls
1:19:34
made of me. I got wooden like remember when I did when I was in
1:19:39
the um in the college and I did the the spin and I came up like a bridge. Somebody made a a a wooden dog
1:19:47
right like that. I got I got somebody tattoo me when I had the black hat and the
1:19:52
black and white puma suit tattoo me on there. Bro, I got tattoos of people all kind of hats and
1:19:58
shirts and jackets that people just people mail me stuff. Oh, can I send you? Like it's crazy. Now, let me ask you a
1:20:05
question. Um, so this the City College scene you were talking about when you did the bridge, right? And you had and
1:20:10
you actually had on the black and gray Puma joint, right? You did it. Well, you there was a move
1:20:15
that they call it 1990. That wasn't me. Okay. I'm glad that was that wasn't me. Okay. Cuz Lex asked me told me that that
1:20:23
wasn't Lee. I mean, that wasn't Okay. Okay. So, everybody got to keep in mind, okay, I just coming in a scene as a dancer.
1:20:29
Okay. I'm just starting off. Okay. Okay, remember I did say that in the beginning, right? So, you know, I'm
1:20:35
still learning. I was just honored to be around my heroes. New York City Break is Rock Steady Crew.
1:20:40
Okay. So, I wasn't on that level. So, at that point, you know, they had Tiny. Was it a kid named Tiny? Tiny.
1:20:47
Tiny. It was tiny. Kid. He was really good, too. He came in, he did the He did the windmill, right? And he did the 199
1:20:52
1990. That was the first time anybody If you really look, you could see it's not me. I was trying to look when I freeze it.
1:20:58
Yo, my boy. Yo, me and my friends, we used to do that with like, "Yo, look, look, look."
1:21:05
Yo, so you were you there for that? Of course. He was there. Okay. So,
1:21:10
they switched it back and forth. They edit it. Okay. Some scene, you can see me doing me, but then if you switch, you look, he had
1:21:16
the same gear on, right? Now, what was it necessary? Was it that they wanted him to do that my double stunt double?
1:21:21
Right. Did they Was it that they wanted him to do that move and they just said, "No, he No, he they he went out to go. He did he
1:21:28
did what he wanted to do. Okay, that's what he did. That was incredible. They didn't choreograph him, tell him what to do.
1:21:35
They had him there to do real good moves for me for that scene. For that scene. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Cuz I was pausing. That's him. I'm like,
1:21:42
he made that 1990 movie. Yo, some movie. This is called the 1990. That's the first time anybody has seen
1:21:48
Yo, everybody in their mama wanted to do that. I'm like, yo, how the [ __ ] did he do that? And then it went from the 1990 to the
1:21:53
2001, right? You know what happened when you when when they when when the 1990 happened? Everybody was saying why Lee
1:21:59
didn't do the 1990 in the in the battle. Why? That's what I was saying. I'm like, why the [ __ ] he didn't do that in the
1:22:04
battle? But that's real. That's dope. That's dope, man. That wasn't me. I wasn't on that level.
1:22:10
Right. N Shout out to Tiny though. That was Either way, it was it was a hell of a move. It was, man. It was It was a hell of a move.
1:22:15
Yo, I'm telling you, everybody wanted to do that move. Everybody Everywhere I was going to club, how many times I fell in my head trying to do that?
1:22:21
Then I learned how to do it afterwards. I I got it. I did get it. That's what's up. Later on, I got it. That was a crazy move.
1:22:26
Suicide was my move. Like, I know that sounds mad basic right now, but for me, Frosty No, not Was it? No. Was
1:22:33
it Frosty? Yeah, Frosty Freeze. Was it Frosty Freeze or Yeah, it was Frosty was suicide. Suicide. Yeah.
1:22:39
Always. Yeah. But he was the bad. He used to go up bam
1:22:44
bam. Everybody soon hit the ground. Come up. Come up. Yo, that's what got me into this, man.
1:22:51
Right. Yeah. them boys right there. It just it was amazing, man. It took Bro, come
1:22:57
on. We in the gymnastics. It kind of didn't work out the right way, but come on. We made it to the Olympics.
1:23:03
Olympics. How did you think? What did you think about that? What? Yeah. What? Yeah. What are your thoughts? What the world thought about it?
1:23:09
Well, they had the wrong people represent. They definitely had the wrong girl. It was just everybody, bro. They didn't
1:23:15
Come on. I mean, I was It was a big disappointment. Yeah.
1:23:20
They got people I mean, come on. I mean, they really need to get some of the realest realest break dancers with the
1:23:26
realest moves. I mean, you got young kids doing all these old moves that we had, right? It they they I don't think it'll happen
1:23:33
again. It they already messed it up. Red Bull did not know how
1:23:38
to sponsor it correctly. They did not promote it, right? Whoever they had hired to orchestrate
1:23:44
it, they did not have the right breakers. I mean, bro, you go on YouTube, Instagram, and you see some of these kids. Are you serious?
1:23:51
It's insane what they doing now. And of all this Asian girl, come on. You know how many
1:23:56
other Asian people that could have the level that they're doing to now? It's insane.
1:24:01
We need we needed to do like how can I say um that was something that they tried to do
1:24:07
that should have been in our hands. That was a project that we needed to orchestrate ourselves. Us as break
1:24:12
dancers and and everybody that had part to do. It should have been break dancers orchestrating and in charge of
1:24:18
everything. Right. Yeah. You're going to put, you know, you you you got a rehab full of drug addicts
1:24:23
and you got the counselor has never been a drug addict before trying to orchestrate something. How the he know what he's doing, right?
1:24:29
He doesn't really he never been there. He hasn't he doesn't understand or really relate. Yeah. Right. Or know the process,
1:24:35
right? Right. Yeah. You know, it's crazy. The first time I I
1:24:40
um saw who you were, it was actually I saw the movie I saw the video be street
1:24:45
strut before I actually saw the movie. And that's when I saw you walk around the Magenolum and do the head spin real
1:24:50
quick or whatever. Um, man, a lot of them videos I forgot. That was the one with the the white girl. With the white girl.
1:24:55
That's Kim Kimim Kimazi. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, that's We're still friends. We still
1:25:00
That's the first time I seen you in my life. I'm like you I remember you walked around long socks. You had You had a
1:25:07
head and you had a headband on. I look at that day. You had to dress like how did you get that
1:25:12
short ass shorts with the lime? remember the white. Yeah. Like like walk me through that. How did how did you get approached to do
1:25:18
that video? How did that happen? That if you can remember we was already in the movie, right? But I'm saying for the movie part
1:25:24
of the movie. Okay. That was all production. And then you were on the cover of Newsweek. Yeah. Like you was like that's like Ebony
1:25:30
magazine. Ebony magazine. Like I'm talking covers. Do you still have these magazines by the way? I need a copy.
1:25:37
Did you blow them up? They on the wall. Um I had a poster. It got destroyed. There was at one point I had a fire so I
1:25:43
lost it. But okay. I mean I can always I mean when I didn't I mean if I really wanted I could just reach out to
1:25:49
Newsweek right and they send me a copy. He's on the cover of I mean I had a friend I think earlier this year he was like oh my god he
1:25:56
bought it off eBay the magazine for like3 $400. Right. It's it's out there Cosby four like 400
1:26:04
I think. Right. It's out there but for me I would just contact them. Right. Right. Now, let me ask you, did
1:26:09
you have any crushes on the set? Cuz you know, you had us girls, you had uh
1:26:15
Oh, man. Latina. I just thought about another part. I think I think the only girl I had I
1:26:21
was crushing on was Brenda. Brenda. Brenda K star. Yeah, Brenda K star. That's right. That's me.
1:26:27
Everybody Friday. I was actually I seen her Friday night. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We was at a um um Ruben Blades
1:26:33
concerts. Salsa. Yeah. So, yeah. in the Bronx and I seen her. Yeah.
1:26:38
Yeah. That was my crush back then. Yeah. I was little. I was She's older than me though. Right. Right. Right.
1:26:43
But yeah, I was a little kid, you know. Um I know Tony Tony and Lisa Lee, they had
1:26:49
a crush. Yo, it's funny you said that because um she danced. Yeah, but listen, there was a few crushes.
1:26:55
She He was dancing in front of her. Yeah. Let me get somebody I forgot. One of my one of my group one members was
1:27:01
crazy about Shro. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But let me get to this part. For me it was Brenda. Brenda
1:27:06
in the house party scene. You were dancing and then you and you and um Tony I'm sorry you and on Mr. Wave switch
1:27:12
places right that was that was behind yo
1:27:17
that was us behind the scene. So insane. So I was like yo and they just yo I was the little brother on set one of
1:27:23
them bro the youngest one. Yo I mean you know he was like I was like all right no problem. I picked up
1:27:28
everything cuz he was like Debbie D told me that. I was like, "Yo, that's Debbie D told me."
1:27:33
Yo, I picked up everything from that movie. Yo, look what he wearing. I got to get that. Look what he got on. We definitely had all the
1:27:39
everything he had on. I had it all cuz we were we weren't on Puma type time at at that point. It was always Adidas, man.
1:27:46
Excuse me. But it was Yeah. Always Adidas. Crazy. And you know what's crazy? As a breaker, Pumas are too long and heavy,
1:27:53
right? Than Adidas. Adidas was short. They were more narrow and they were lighter who's on your feet.
1:27:58
They were more heavy. I had to adapt to how to dance with those sneakers on. Right. You could do it. It's just
1:28:04
certain moves. It's just not absolutely. So overall the state of you know the
1:28:10
culture if you will. What what are your what are your thoughts on it? You know obviously you've made your mark and and
1:28:17
are still a legend but it's changed a lot. You know 50 years plus now 52 years
1:28:23
of a lot's changed. Okay. So, um, you know,
1:28:29
a lot of people don't see this, so let me go back to the beginning. I'm
1:28:36
honored to be where I'm at, who I am. Um, dancing has never really been a big
1:28:42
thing. How many real dancing movies have you ever ever seen in your life?
1:28:48
Any type of dance? Think about what I'm telling.
1:28:53
break dancing, any opera, modern dancing, salsa. How many salsa movies was that?
1:29:00
Um, Patrick, what was that? Dirty dancing. How many How many How many throughout
1:29:06
your whole life? We What? 40s and our 50s. How many dance movies have you ever ever ever ever seen? Really?
1:29:11
Saturday Night Live? No. A dancing Saturday Night Fever. Saturday Night Fever. Sorry. Saturday Night Fever. But really,
1:29:18
how and how far and few in between? Right. Not dancing is not a thing that a lot of
1:29:24
people think they can make money off of, right? Because if it was, there'd be a lot of dancing. You got served. I like you got
1:29:31
served, right? It should have been something after that. That was the last dancing movie that came out. [ __ ] It should have been.
1:29:36
And how long before that was a dancing movie. And how long has it been? But And there's still no dance. There's no dancing movie.
1:29:42
Think about what I'm saying. Producers don't see money in dancing. And I ain't going to lie, bro. I done seen throughout my life a lot of dancing
1:29:48
movies. Spanish in the movies or Netflix all kind of [ __ ] that that are moving moving dirty dancing moving
1:29:56
even there's there's none yo they they would do a movie like lab bamba about an artist Selena and make
1:30:03
money off of that of an artist's life then there's no money in a dancing movie
1:30:09
break dancing is not something you can make a profession off of bro right it's a it's it's a hobby it's a passion
1:30:16
it's a lovely Mhm. Yeah. You got people from the movie in my era that go out of town and trying to still
1:30:22
trying to do something with it. They got schools. Yeah. But really, how how good is it? How big is it? How many students?
1:30:29
How long how known is it? How many people really want to put their kid in there? Yeah. Where they choose to put their kid in a boy or girl scout over the think about
1:30:35
what I'm saying, bro. No, I agree with you. Cuz the Olympics, they had to raise that. I've done as like I said, I never
1:30:41
wanted to be I I was fortunate to make money off it, right? It was for fun. I did it as love. It was
1:30:48
my passion. Legs, he's still doing it. He's fortunate, but he's still like
1:30:54
there's no he's not getting no movie off. It's none of us. I mean, he's he's he he's he got to go and and and be a part of this, that, and
1:31:01
the third, you know? Yeah. These people contact him. He's famous. But I mean, really, if there was another
1:31:06
breakdance movie, he would have been the first one to know about it or any kind of movie, right? Think about what I'm saying. There's not
1:31:12
no love for us as dancers in any type of dancing. It could be modern dancing, ballet, how many movies.
1:31:20
What was that movie about um Julia with the the the black actor and the girl?
1:31:25
I forgot the name of it. I forgot the name of it. I don't know. I know yall know the movie I'm talking about. Oh, you mean fame? That's another one.
1:31:31
You mean the uh black um Yeah, the black actor with Julia, the girl. She was doing to be the dancer. Yeah. Yeah.
1:31:37
Oh my god. But listen, I know you're talking. What kind of dance is that? Modern dancing in opera.
1:31:42
How many movies? Any aspect of dancing. How many movies? Not a lot. It's no love for dancing, bro.
1:31:48
I think you could have had a beat street, too. You think you could think they could have made a lot of talk about it? Nobody never did it. There was a
1:31:54
gentleman named David Sharief. He's a well-known m uh magician, right?
1:32:00
Retired. He made money off it. He's doing things. He wanted to reach out to me about doing it, but he's looking for
1:32:07
partners. Yeah. Uh when he reached out to me, I assumed that he was they had all the backing, the money, everything. But he
1:32:13
was just wanted to do it, looking for me to for help like Oh, okay. So that ain't never go nowhere,
1:32:19
right? I mean, you know, right? Um yeah, there's no love. It just I don't
1:32:25
know. So Harry was Harry took a chance on us. Yeah. He took a chance and everybody for that
1:32:30
that that in any movie that came out, them producers took a chance, right? But there's no I don't think they ever see
1:32:36
any money in dancing. And I ain't going to lie. Yo, bro, I I get more excited in a dancing movie than I'm going to see
1:32:42
about somebody's life. Silly Lapo or Madonna or somebody. I mean, I'm just excited too, Selena.
1:32:48
Don't get it wrong. Biggie Smalls, but I don't get excited. I do when it's when I got you got served. I'm ready to get up
1:32:53
and dance. Do my stuff like Come on, bro. Yeah. The excitement level like nobody I don't get it, man. No love for
1:33:00
us dancers in any aspect of dancing. You got schools that like Julia, it specializes in dancing.
1:33:07
Even ballet. How many shows in ballet? It's seasonal. I have a friend that she works in the balance right here.
1:33:14
It's seasonal. How much money they got? They got to travel to make money all year round. There's no love in dancing, bro.
1:33:19
Yeah. You got fun. They coming for two years, two weeks.
1:33:25
The Asian thing. What they doing? They traveling. There's no love for dancing, bro. Think about what I'm telling you.
1:33:30
We need it back. Everything is music. Everything is songs. Yeah, we need it back. Yo, and everybody that's in movies came
1:33:36
from singing. For the most part, every damn body I see in the movie now is a rapper, singer, R&B artist,
1:33:42
right? That was a stepping stone to get to where they got to be at, right? Where they want to be at, what they want to do next, what they want to add to
1:33:48
their portfolio, their resume, right? Think about it, bro.
1:33:53
There's only money in music. I'm not around. And that's and that's fleeting now. You ever tried to rap? Back in the day
1:34:00
with my kids, I used to me and my boys back in the day I used to write music. I used to write. Okay. Did you rap though? Did you get on the
1:34:05
mic? Yeah. Yeah. You remember your first rap? No. What was your rap name? I know it was off of to um the first I
1:34:12
know it was off the music of um
1:34:17
Okay. Seven minutes style double trouble. Oh don't
1:34:24
beat it's called Down by Law by Law Killer. That's the name of the beat. That was our first song I ever wrote to and I
1:34:30
don't remember the live. Did you ever record that? I need to hear that. Nord back to the tape.
1:34:36
What was your take over the next one? Yeah. Take over the next one. You know what I mean? Wow.
1:34:42
I got I got all my tapes, bro. I got all my tapes. It was through the air. I went through errors as a kid, man. I
1:34:47
done did everything pretty much like Yeah. As a kid, like we was always into stuff. Yeah.
1:34:53
All type of athletic stuff. I used to do bicycle rides, the pipes, the tricks, snowboarding. I did everything as a kid,
1:34:59
man. I did that, too. Everything. That's crazy. I I hand glide. Hand glide. I got to do it one time.
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I want to um I was on a trip. Uh it was in Jamaica. Jamaica. I was in Montego Bay.
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Okay. Hand glide. Oh my god. Fire. I did that [ __ ] like eight times. Wow, man. That's dope.
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I did a lot. Skydive. I did a few things. I love I haven't scuba dive yet. I was scuba. Don't go in no cave if you
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Yo, man. It's good to hear you say all this stuff to let us know you've been living and living to the fullest cuz a
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lot of people man I heard I I died. People said from a head spin one. I heard that a long time ago.
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You don't mean about me, bro. Don't Don't go. I 100% heard that before. From the horse's mouth, man.
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That's crazy. That was before the internet. I had heard that. I heard I heard stuff, too, man. I'm glad. I'm glad I had a lot of I heard I
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was a crackhead. I've heard that too. I gotta be honest with you. Doing I heard I definitely heard I heard that too.
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I heard I was homeless. I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that. I heard I was a homeless bum
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in Detroit. Why would you be in Detroit? I never been in Detroit. I never been to Detroit in my life. Why the hell would you be in Detroit?
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Never been to Detroit in my life. You might like Detroit though. I mean, don't get it wrong. I just did some stupid I was a kid.
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We all have. We was out sniffing coke. Oh, don't don't get me wrong. I masculine try stuff. I was a kid following. It was
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a come and go type, you know, like but now there was a lot of that you just tried as a kid and that was it.
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Yeah. P head to to the end, bro. I'm still a pie head. Always going to be I'm not a drinker. I drink occasional like I don't
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Right. I've never been into that. Were you smoking weed when Be Street was out? Of course.
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He said, "Of course." Okay. I love the honesty. I used to have the VIP packed in the Roxy, bro. All my people, bro. Everything.
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Then we come down go to the bar. Had a box. just bought the bar drinks all night. Everybody still love that.
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This was before Papa. So he invented he in the bottles. He bought the bottles. He brought the bottles. I said, "Yeah,
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but now let me tell you, bro, back then." So, okay. Okay. So, remember the
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big big black bouncer name is Kenny. He was in the movie with us in Roxy, right?
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He actually worked there. All right. He really worked there. So, they hired him as part of to be in the movie tour
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to play himself. Yeah. So, bro, like I got to know the the owner, Steve, and all of them back then. Real. I was young from the movie.
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Like, they bro, that was my club, right? Yo, I could bring anybody, as many people as I wanted. Yo, I used to I was
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there every week, bro. It got to the point I didn't even have to spend money for the bar. I said that I had bought the bar without
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spending money. Wow. I had it like that back then, bro. I was like, D for everybody. And Steve was like,
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"That's Lee." What? Bro, anything I say, they would do, bro. Yo, it was lit.
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That's crazy. It was lit. Like I had a lot of love back then in all the clubs. The fun house,
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bro. I used to be the fun house was the club, the DJ booth was a clown face and the cool her used to DJ back and behind
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the eyes. I used to be back there with him chilling back there chilling. Yo, and come out the you slide down the tongue out the
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mouth down the tongue. Come out. Yo, that [ __ ] was hot. You go in the ear. Yo, I used to hang out cool back in the
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but everywhere, bro. Anything I Everything I wanted, bro. That's crazy. So you every club I used to I was everywhere
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original Barnes. Y'all don't remember Barnes. That was
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the old club from back. Oh Bar. I thought you said a person. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that spot.
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What was the other one? Studio 54. Studio 54 fun house. Yeah, 54. There was another one. Um
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um what else was there? 50 51 something. There was a lot. Inferno. I used to be in all of them,
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bro. North Mall. Did you ever go to the Healo? No, I never heard of it. And then it's in the BX. There's no Simpson.
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The only club I went to in the BX was first class. Freeman Simpson, right?
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Before the burndown [ __ ] all that, right? Um Oh, and the Fever. The Fever. And the Fever Fever. Forget
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the Fever. I was young back then. I was that's when Busy B and all of them. Yeah. And um
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S's the owner. He still do stuff. He still tours with the freestyle artist
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TK and all. This man is walking hip-hop here. Everybody, are you Latino? Yeah, I'm Puerto Rican.
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Puerto Rican cuz Okay, cuz I was like, man, okay. I I picked that up. I picked that
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up. Okay. Nobody knows that up like that. Know me, man. Like I said, you got
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Yeah. Yeah. I picked that up. I was like, I'm hearing this. That's what's up, bro. Shout out to
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Yeah, I'm huh? I'm a New York. I'm domesticated. Yeah.
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Yo, brother. I want to thank you again, man. I really do, man. Robert Taylor of from the movie Be Street and much much
1:39:42
much much more. Thank you for pulling up on um All Hip Hop, man. It's a true honor and a
1:39:48
privilege. True honor, man. The privilege, man. Thanks for having me here. You know what I mean? You don't do this, man. I'm not
1:39:53
No, I told him that. I told Listen, I I told him. I'm tell I know, man. This guy doesn't do interviews. Trying
1:39:59
to get me right, bro. You probably the beginning of our our our GOAT series, man. We we really
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want to just like the ones that we want to like praise and give honor and
1:40:11
respect to like we just we just want to start like a whole series on it, man. That's what's up. Yeah. I'm glad to be a part of it.
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Yeah. Send me the link so I can watch it. Okay. Definitely. Definitely. Word.