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Starlito & Don Trip Talk ‘Stepbrothers 4,’ A Love Of Heavy Metal, and Tennessee’s Rich Hip-Hop Roots
Jun 4, 2025
Hip-Hop heavyweights Starlito and Don Trip link up with Chuck Creekmur of AllHipHop for an unfiltered convo about their long-awaited project, "Stepbrothers 4." From studio chemistry to Tennessee pride, this episode is packed with real talk and raw insight.
📍 What’s inside:
The real reason Stepbrothers 4 took time—and why geography nearly got in the way
How Nashville and Memphis shaped their sound and brotherhood
Why being in the same room matters when making timeless music
The duo's take on today's Hip-Hop culture and how to keep it authentic
The role of storytelling, strategy, and therapy in their art
💥 Plus: Don Trip’s surprising hobby, their favorite rap duos, and gems on collaboration that every artist needs to hear.
🎧 Whether you're a day-one fan or new to the Stepbrothers series, this interview goes beyond the bars.
👇 Drop your thoughts in the comments:
Who’s your favorite rap duo of all time?
#Stepbrothers4 #Starlito #DonTrip #AllHipHop #ChuckCreekmur
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yo what's happening Star Leo hey Mr Don Trip We are Step Brothers for life and
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we're checking in with our hip hop hip hop What's going on world it's your man
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Chuck Creekmer aka Jigsaw here in the building at One World Studios with two legends in hip hop Staro and Don Trip
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What's up yeah man Just cooling Appreciate how you doing Hey man can't complain We ain't got complain Y'all was
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handling business in the in the elevator I was I was trying to talk chitchat They was handling business I was glad we had
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service You know business got to get handled That's what's up How y'all doing though man hanging in there Yeah Hanging
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on by a thread Yeah Thread Don't say that Don't say that Y'all got Step
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Brothers for Life Indeed Indeed The the new the newest installment in the mixtape series uh the legendary mixtape
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series Now before I get into that um I want to you know I want to get back into
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this hanging on by a thread stuff cuz cuz the the level the level that y'all
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operate at is is a high level artistically Yeah So you know what I mean i I don't think he mean in general
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I think he mean like right now uh you know I ain't had my uh my vehicle nap
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for the day Yeah Yeah Yeah We in we in grind mode Yeah definitely It's not the
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We're in the next phase of stuff like the the album is is on his way May 9th
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Yeah May 9th Yeah And so we doing all the rest of the work that's outside of
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the rapping outside of creating putting pen a pad and recording Now we in the
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you know presentation the marketing phase and which is a lot of travel It's a you know Yeah A lot less intense Yeah
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and he play uh PlayStation a lot So Oh no I know you weren't up you wasn't up
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last night playing PlayStation No actually uh we was up last night running around Okay And by the time I made it to
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the hotel I crashed but you know it ain't enough uh ain't enough hours in a
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day for me to get some sleep So Right Right Well they say a nap extends your life so I'm not going to judge you on
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the nap part Oh indeed Yeah So let's talk about the album a little bit I mean
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um this is an album but it's it's an extension of the of the mixtape series right right Um first of all like what
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took so long for y'all to to put this together i think uh life you know we uh
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we initially intended I don't know which camera I'm supposed I guess the first one We initially intended to to drop the
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uh the third mean the fourth one shortly after we did three I want to say you said 9 months or no no more than 9
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months Yeah that was that was the game plan at the time Yeah And like you said
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life happens Yeah Yeah It's what it goes without saying a lot happened between
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Step Brothers 3 and and up to now and four So when you say it took a long time
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it did chronologically you know we look at from 2017 to 2025 But in truth when we
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actually locked in zeroed in and focused on making the project it it took like 6
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weeks Okay And even with that it's our geographical distance that that is the
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primary challenge cuz we're from two different cities He's from Memphis I'm from Nashville about 200 miles or so
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apart And we have our personal lives that a lot of times take precedent over
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you know we got in-house studios set up so we can record and create at our own free will But when it comes time to
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collaborate we get in the same room which requires one of us or both of us to to travel to meet And like I said in
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six weeks time we had about six or so studio sessions True And there's the 16
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tracks that you get on this album So that's great to hear man You know we hear about people phoning in you know
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phone and I literally mean that like phoning verses and and and beats or
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whatever but to hear that you guys were actually in the studio is dope to hear that Well for for every uh Step Brothers
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project that's the the number one you know that's the main factor We don't we
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don't email those I mean when we doing solo projects you know we be in different places in different times of
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our lives So it's nothing then you know for us to email each other a record But you know it would be my record and I
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just need his contribution But when it comes to the Step Brothers projects you know even from day one we felt like that
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was the main ingredient The fact that we were in the studio together to create everything from scratch together Yeah So
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for every tape that's how we rock you know Same thing for step brothers 4 and like you said the time in between we
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done a lot of records together but none of those records with step brother records so you know again it's
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easier to get that done throughout the you know throughout the years we just send those to each other or you know I
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might make a stop out his way but we ain't doing step brothers and you know
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once we lock in and and you know and we doing a step brothers project we truly
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focus our resources to That's right And what's funny is if you
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look at the time lapse on the earliest version of the step brothers you guys
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are I don't want to say getting old together but y'all like Yeah we grew
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Yeah Yeah definitely I mean it's on two ways to go You either you either grow or
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you go in the ground So you know it's it's uh uh a luxury to be able to you know to
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grow with your brother your friend you know your your comrade So cuz a lot of times people grow apart Yeah And so true
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that like I timeline all of it even with the greater distance between Step
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Brothers 3 and four we actually grew closer Okay Yeah Some of our favorite groups we watch them go away We're go
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turn into solo acts stop recording together despise each other and everything else
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So to say we didn't return with a Stair Brothers 4 but we probably gave you 20
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or so records in the time in between And also we I was in his wedding and we you
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know were at family events I popped up at a surprise birthday party they had for him He's you know and vice we have
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kids birthday parties and otherwise and baby showers funerals it's like like I
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said we family in real life So dope Yeah You know versus you see people that you
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can tell they ain't been around each other Even when you go see them perform if they they going to go get the check together it's like man y'all ain't
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practiced You know what I'm saying next thing you know they they publicly beefing Some can't even get the check
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together Right Right Right You know they can't put the differences aside And you
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know I think I think that's a a wonderful thing to have I think that's like I said I think that's a luxury to
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be able to you know for us to to still be able to coexist with each other and
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not have grown apart you know in the in the midst of what we're doing And at the same token not grow egos I think that's
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you know I think that's vital in this in in our existence as well You know I I
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don't you know ain't no ain't no big eyes and small U's We we truly do this as as a team So Okay I want to ask you a
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question about Tennessee Who was the first rap artist you knew about from Tennessee
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that's hard to say cuz um when I was growing up they kind of
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were all in the same group Okay I don't know
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if you can call them a group or not Was the what was the name of the group well uh 36 Mafia I don't know It had a lot of
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different names Okay But when I started hearing 36 Mafia it was 36 Mafia
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uh Ganga Black Okay Uh Player Fly Okay And like I said they all were together
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And then at some point you know Ganga Black and Player Fly branched off to do other things They had a you know a whole
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feud and everything to go along with it But I heard all of them at the same time So I can't say who was the first first
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person I heard cuz I heard them all in in unison Yeah He's from Memphis I'm from Nashville And this for sure
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wouldn't wouldn't have been the first rapper but in my childhood the first that I can remember was a rapper named
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LA Mike Okay And um he's LA was for Linton Apartments which is in East
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Nashville Like we went to the same bar he got his haircut in my cousin's barber shop Okay So that was my earliest memory
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of seeing LA Mike posters in the barber shop and that was my first introduction like "Oh somebody from around here is a
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rapper." cuz short of that it was like if it wasn't too short or Snoop probably
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NWA or whatever you know in in my my era of being introduced to rap if it wasn't
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something I saw on TV yeah or heard on radio like that like LA Mike for me like
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I wasn't even aware of like the Memphis rap scene as a a young kid I'm I'm
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talking like five six years old six years old or so And it I I can remember sitting in a barber chair and LA Mike
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walk in and I'm looking over at the poster like man that's LA Mike So that was you know for me but I mean there was
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some other predecessors of mine that did did some big things from Nashville I know you said Tennessee largely I can
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remember Tila being you know along with like 36 and stuff but G a JG
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Yeah but their music being big to me being from Nashville and those were
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Memphis artists but other me artists like with Pistol who signed with Easy
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uh first Nashville artist to get like a a major deal and uh Cool Daddy Fresh did
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a lot of units a few hundred thousand units independently Like later on in my childhood I remember them making making
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an impact and making waves from as far as on the Nashville rap scene Then of course later Quanic Cash Young Bug
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leading into you know my my early beginnings Was there a rapper named
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Gangster Pat from Tennessee yeah Yeah He from Memphis Yeah He's the first one I remember Okay Okay Okay I I'm like I
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think Gangster Pat I used to listen to him Yeah What's up i don't know who he was signed to but he was kind of hard
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It's tricky when it get to that part because a lot of it was independent And I think at some point all of that
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[ __ ] was well all of them were together And you know like we were saying a second ago you know you started to grow
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apart branch off Especially you know with it being business it's a little easier to see you know people wanting to
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go their own ways and try their own route Uh Tennessee in general I mean first of
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all you just me you mentioned the distance between Nashville and Memphis I never even thought of that Like I just
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assumed it was like near nearby or so You could just pull up I mean in a sense
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but it's still a what three and a half hour it's still three and a half hour drive So you know that's what I mean You
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know in some in some cases like you got uh what's we were just talking about it earlier like Louisiana I mean not
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Louisiana New Orleans and Baton Rouge are so close Mhm They like uh I think
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you said an hour like an hour apart or something I'm not sure exactly Might be an hour hour and a half you know but
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they're different places right yeah Two totally different places But if you're not from Louisiana you just look at
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somebody as being from Louisiana The same way if you're not from Tennessee it's like oh you don't know how many times people mistakenly thought I was
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from Memphis Now granted I've lived there before I've spent half of my life in and out of Memphis and some of the
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roots of my career are definitely planted there Uh I consider a second home But the mistake is just association
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like Tennessee and and then there's so many artists that risen to prominence out of Memphis and that indie like you
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said a lot of them artist early artists being independent You had seleto hits based out of Memphis So you had artists
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from everywhere putting their music out coming through Memphis for that to happen Um it's way more of a high for
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hiphop than Nashville is Nashville is country music USA It's big business but
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not urban not for urban music and Nashville and Memphis are completely
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different places on a lot of different levels culturally and otherwise And it's
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not like it's a neighborhood over you know you you going through a few different a few other cities to get
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there You know cities with colleges you know you pass Jackson Tennessee and it's you know schools there and otherwise
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But yeah it's it's I I understand it because like even up here all day
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yesterday we like what part what burrow we in now or like you know where we cuz it's it's foreign to us in the sense of
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like it all looks the same because it looks so different than where we from Right Right But you be cussing somebody
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out from Queens to say you from Brooklyn like hell no you know Right Right
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Exactly Y'all fitting in like that in New York They they they mistaking you as New Yorkers No no no He's saying the
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same the same what the same way a New Yorker would feel if if you from
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Brooklyn like [ __ ] that's Queens like what you thought that was Yeah Same deal Feel like that Nashville and Memphis
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Uhhuh You ask a person from Memphis if they from Nashville it'd be the you know it be the the the same thing Like no of
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course not What make you think I'm from from Nashville yeah in prison The prison
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system ain't done no favors to that cuz you know by the time you uh in state
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custody you go to the state pen you in there with people from all over the state man So early in my career cuz I
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did business with an artist from Memphis uh partner with Yo Goti I remember it
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being a thing like people back home like man what like what you doing like we from Nashville like we like it was I can
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say in that time this is early 2000s we bridge the gap in a lot of ways on certain street levels you know what I'm
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saying we made that like okay I guess they ain't so bad from over there and
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vice versa kind of thing in college college too I went to school at Tennessee State with so many people from
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Memphis that's how my music made its way to Memphis originally and it was my peers that I'm you know on on the campus
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with and so it's like I never saw the divide because I made friends there and
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then I did business with people there So and I think that's why Memphis embraces me too cuz I never leaned into that
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stigma of it being two different worlds I'm just like "Y'all rock with me I rock with y'all." And it's through that love
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ever since That's good Are are we too tribal cuz I'm like "Well shoot Can we
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cut it out once and for all like it just come together I'm tired of being from
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here or from like oh you you did this or you not from here You you know like we
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all Yeah Yeah It's defin it's definitely weird And in most cases outside of our
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culture it don't really matter I know You know you know I don't know Asian Asian people be on that Well Chinese and
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Japanese people they do not like each other Yeah And it's a lot of other Asian cultures that like don't mistake them
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for that you know Well I don't mean that for them that's an actual
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ethnicity though Yeah Okay True Still territorial almost But even so it ain't
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because of like No our [ __ ] is broke down to like what part of the city from
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Right Right Right Right They ain't like oh well you from from East Asia We don't
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rock with you Well you know East China you East Chinese North Korean South Korean Well that's
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again though two different that's two different places right right But you know I don't know I think you could be a
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block over or Yeah Yeah For us it it's too It's too ridiculous Right And that's
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the other thing We have no ownership in in these places and you know we killing
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each other over over the the street signs Yeah So you know they get it get ridiculous I I don't know you know I
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that's part of the the the culture that I'm I'm waiting to see uh mature Mhm
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Yeah Speaking of maturing um hiphop is past 50 now Um
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Yeah that's we're having a lot of debates on on where we're heading A lot
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of folks feel like there should be more power systems
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that we own or control in the culture And I don't know What do you think about
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where we're heading me personally um I don't I don't think I don't think
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that's what's really important that you know who who runs it or or or you know
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or who the gatekeepers are I think like right now you could weigh the argument that it's too wide open Anybody could
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get in But in that same notion that's a good thing cuz that mean nobody's in
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your way Nobody's stopping you And of course it's flooded So you know you got to really do do you stand out from from
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all of it But it's easier now than ever for you know so take a person who truly
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loves music and wants to become something Now it's less barriers in order to do that You know you don't have
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to go and stand outside of you know you used to have to come to New York and stand outside of the labels and try to
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catch somebody coming out in order for them to even hear you rap and then it go from there It was a point in time where
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demos did work And then of course you know as it progressed they start throwing them in a room But either way
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you know there there was a time where that's what you that's what you needed So you had to go and and pay a fortune
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to even get in the studio just to do four songs So you can turn around and start trying to shop your demo You fast
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forward to now you don't got to shop your you can go make your first song ever and you can put it through DSPs
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right now Now again for a person that actually loves it that wants to do it
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you know that's been their dream that's no better time to be able to do that right of course the flip side is you got
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people who going to do it just for fun and they might get they you know they might get they they day sooner than the
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person who truly loves it right but just like everything else in life nothing that came quick was worth holding on to
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anyway So in that regard I think I think the focus should mainly be
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on you doing what you do right i think a lot of times we get caught in the when you get caught in the trends a lot of
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the trend you know that's why the the the trended music don't last as long as you know the the the music with the
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substance because you're not doing what's what's true to you You're not doing the the the music that you you
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know that you find near and dear or the music that speaks to you You doing what so and so is doing And if that's the
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case when it burn out for so and so it burns out for you Mhm I don't think it really if you know at least in my
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opinion I don't think it really matters who gets to facilitate it cuz the more technology and you know the more it
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enhances the the the wider it become you know like right now you used to have to
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go and sit you know Master P had to go sit down with somebody to get that distribution deal Same for Baby same for
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you know uh Tech 9 Like these people had to go and and do physical leg work to
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make that happen And now all you got to do is sign up and you can now you got a distribution Do you got the Dro Kids and
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Toon Corpse to core I think that's how you say it Core To core Yeah Right You know it's it's a very long list and it's
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growing So you know I think we have to I I understand that as like a concern but
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I think we have to take control over what we can which is
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uh owning the influence that we have as a culture because I mean even at the
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time the industry existed before hip-hop was a thing and in every genre of music
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what ends up happening is something gets taken away from it and it's happening in
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real time Um hip-hop is morphing and merging with
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other genres of music like country and you getting all these fusion records and otherwise which is
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it's like a yin and yang to it Like I think the acknowledgement of the influence is is there but what happens
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is there's so much in hip-hop that's like almost literally poisonous like that
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the you know so much of I'm not saying ours but the messages within are so
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destructive and then we'll let another genre music come and like take the lifeline of it which is the the the beat
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which is the rhythm which is the the the the nuance of you know what I'm saying
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cadence and otherwise and they going to apply it with all of their themes and otherwise and run off with it if we
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don't take hold of it and have something like you said that that's sustainable Yeah Like soul like message like rap
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used to be the news for the hood and now it's just like horror story like I mean
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I'm I'm saying this is a lifelong rap You know what I'm saying i watch it change and and that's where we are in
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our lives and careers like we're very very very intentional and very mindful to like tell it like it is and give a
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full range and broad perspectives because that is going to last That's going to stay You going to be able to
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come back to this and be like man 2025 these dudes was talking about some things that matter at the least matter
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to us And for sure that's got to be some like-minded people out there And even as independent artists like you said
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because we got more access it's like it's less time or less room to make excuses for the way things are Yeah we
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got we got all these access points Like somebody can have a $10 million budget and a a building or machine behind them
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and they put out some [ __ ] It's just [ __ ] And it's like versus or they
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can put out something that's that's just an agenda behind it or bad Now you can have somebody that's doing it out of
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their bedroom and it's real and it's true Like he got on from just pouring
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out his heart pouring out his soul and and revealing his true self and where he
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was right there in that moment No frrills on a a $100 camera and he had
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the tools to share it Yeah And look at what it's blossomed into And so it's kind of like well you can't say that we
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don't control anything when that's an origin story that's led to 15 years of
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you know what I'm saying he's in a far better position in every way and he ain't compromised or his message along
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the way So if every darn trip there's a hundred other kids or somebody you know
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what I'm saying with that spark in them and it ain't time for us to say "Man we should be doing this as a culture." Well
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then do your part You know what I'm saying and stick to your guns and stand on that Because what happened is that
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same industry came beating this door down You know what I'm saying and trying to make it happen with them But a lot of
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times I feel like people lose their spark and just kind of fall in and look at what's happening on the other side of
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it They putting lots of money into like hey let's let's take away from what we know works for them over there and apply
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it to you know what I'm saying cuz that's just what it is But I think we just you got we got to be true We got to
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preserve the essence of this thing You know what I'm saying this thing of ours is hip-hop culture at large
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Um are you guys you know as you know as I thought about you guys you were doing
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your business stuff you know that's important too Like like like
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most people when you talk about people just uploading stuff like that's why they capped off how you can upload
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because it was everybody was just I mean meaning like the threshold for payout was like zero at first then they put it
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at a thousand because it seemed like everybody was just uploading so much But you know the marketing the the videos
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and the other aspects of it do you uh enjoy that aspect of it or is that
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annoying to you does it take away from what you really love doing cuz most
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artists aren't thinking about the other things that make projects successful I think I I kind of
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look at that like maintaining my house Okay And if you if you want to own a
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house then it it come with some responsibilities You know at some point
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you going I'm speaking from from experience At some point you got to buy new air conditioning units You got to
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get new hot water heaters You know you got to redo your gutters You got to get
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new shingles on your roof That's if you want to to maintain this house I mean you know if you want to keep this house
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you're going to have to maintain it right and same for us you know if we want to keep our livelihood and us being
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independent that mean I don't I I can't call somebody to take care of it I can pay somebody to take care of it but no
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other person's going to you know I got to be the person to be proactive in in that manner And the same thing for our
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careers you know when it come to the marketing the leg work you know if if I don't do it who's going to do it and in
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that same regard even if there is a person you know you know it's a flip
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side You can be signed to a label There are people that that do these things But even in that sense if you ain't
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proactive if you don't believe in you why why would somebody else believe in you and in our cases you know we kind of
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got we have we don't have the luxury of not leading by example I I think to double down on on what he
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said I I do enjoy the marketing part of it
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because to me marketing is storytelling and we're already like vivid
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storytellers and you know and on the lyrical side and on a you know
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production and creating a music but it's this as it said no one can tell your
27:33
story better than you Yeah So even as you outsourcing with PR firms and and
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people that do marketing like you got to understand your vision for yourself and how you want to present yourself and and
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in this case a project like there's a full story behind it Now sure if I can get you to sit down and listen to the
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51minute album maybe you'll get that But part of the challenge is I got to get you to sit down and listen to that and
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to get the the full scope of it So um I welcome the challenge of like how can we
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present this how can how can we maybe if I can get three minutes of your time how can I turn that 3 minutes and parlay
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that into 51 minutes or into you getting into my back catalog or you anticipating the next thing and just as a hustler I
28:20
understand that like what are you without a c without customers you know whatever your product is people got to
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know you got it You know what I'm saying and and I know we got high value product
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So it's like first step one is get the word out And so you know that's that's
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the biggest part of my hustle is knowing that you can't skip no steps And like you said one even if people are behind
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you are helping supporting empowering They got to believe in you and nobody
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going to believe in you if they don't see that you believe in yourself And so I I've like as a true independent I've
28:57
had to learn how to do everybody job Like I know I worked them cameras back there Like I you know what I'm saying i
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could tweak the audio if it came to that cuz when it's time to fix things I think um a handy person has has a leg up on on
29:11
maintaining their house if you know what I'm saying And and that's just like I said the the ethics of it as a hustler
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is like yeah I I embrace the marketing side and this part of it as much as
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writing the raps or you know when y'all listen to the old you know when you go back and listen do you well first of all
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do you go back and listen not often Not often occasion occasionally Not for me
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not while we're creating Oh definitely not while I'm creating Okay But even in
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my leisure I don't much go uh I don't look at old pictures so I
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don't I don't really listen to old music I don't know I don't never really focus
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on what it used to be Yeah I'm only trying to progress I was I was there I remember it you know but now I'm trying
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to build something for you know for the future Okay And I don't know I guess
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that's kind of my philosophy when it come to that Now now you know they
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say well I have a philosophy that you can become depressed looking back Like you could be like man it was so good
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back then I be man I wish it was Well see I grew up in a a family with a lot
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of um with alcoholics and addicts and I'm a person that I guess I overanalyze
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people or situations So growing up they used to tell us you
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know they get get lit and tell you the same story you've been hearing for 30
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years So at some point I started like piecing together these stories like you know your version of it your brother's
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version your mama version and you know I start making whole stories And what I
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gathered collectively is that it's not that they telling you the same story cuz
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they got no more stories they living They telling you they glory years And in
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most cases once you reach a certain age the glory years are over Mhm So for me
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that's you know that's that's how I live I live like the glory my glory days are ahead of me right so I you know I ain't
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really focus on what happened You know I we speak on it I I'm you know I might um
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I won't say uh reminisce I might recollect but I never you know get stuck
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in what used to be Maybe when you know when I think about people that that didn't you know that didn't uh survive
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this long Yeah But other than that I don't really you know I don't backtrack I don't do uh my my personal montages
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I'm just like you know I get it I know I know where I came from I never forget that But I know where I want to go And I
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don't know I think you know what uh Jelly Roll said said uh your windshield
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is bigger than your rearview mirror for a reason Mhm And you know that's just how I live Like you know I'm trying to
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see what's ahead of me not so much what's behind me Okay Okay Yeah That's
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that's uh that's kind of deep I think uh it's
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value both ways to having tonal vision or facing forward I also think there's
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there's a lot of lessons you know as I say learning from mistakes learning from
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experience and otherwise but it can go either way cuz I'm definitely equally familiar with people being stuck in
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certain places and I think that could lead to what you were saying about the depression part of it or it's depressing
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I've I've seen it in certain regards Um I've like my dad had a brain injury
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had a clo closed head trauma and for large parts of my childhood he would talk about the same time period and I
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heard the same stories and I realized that he was kind of stuck there you know maybe on account of his injury But I've
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also heard and saw something about artists that a lot of times
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wherever they peak or first see success they end up stuck there you know
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artistically right and so even I've seen it with some of my favorite artists where they're trying they're trying to make that record that they that they
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broke through from And I I can remember hearing that and and as an artist I had
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a a record I had a Grey Goose a club record and I signed a deal and otherwise
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and it was like that's what they wanted over and over And early on I'm like I ain't that ain't me That's not the end
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all be all Same thing I'm sure he was encouraged to make letter to my son well make letter to your daughter make a
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letter to your dog and what you know cuz that this is the business of music and it's like well it worked so it'll work
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again But for sure I've seen artists stuck there and you in that same man
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this ain't 99 no more This ain't 200 whatever no more And um so I think
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that's probably why we don't revisit the music in real time while we're creating
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cuz I ain't trying to make that song You know sometimes I like even as we finished this project as we were rapping
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I went back and compared to the other projects just almost just taking inventory like which where do I rank
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this one or how do I feel about this one versus this one but because it was done if I did that in real time I think it
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would have taken away from what we were creating you know and um that's but I
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think that's a real thing cuz when you do that too much reflection you're going to compare you're going to size it up
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And it was like man we did we was doing numbers at this time It's like now you weighing that against that and what you
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doing now can feel like a failure But if this your this the best that you doing
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your best right now you got to you got to ride the wave of that and you know what I'm saying and try to keep going up
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Maybe you'll supersede where you were But as long as you looking back it's like man you like you said you gonna run
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into something you know like right for the sake of that analogy But so I want to try to get y'alls top five if you can
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do this If you can do this top five duos here's the trick Curveball
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Top five duos in hiphop You want individually each one of us
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Between you know it's on it's on you know however you'all want to do Cool I was thinking between the two of you but All right Well let's let's do one at a
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time for our five and five So we don't give y'all the same list Okay Oh hold on All right So any era though it doesn't
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have to But the duos got to be duos It can't be two of a threeman group Well
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I'll have it if if you want it if you want to say a duo with a DJ is a duo
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I'll have it Okay Okay So we'll say the DJ can be included in the duo All right
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So like I think he was going to say Styles and Kiss right but they a trio
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Fair enough Yeah Yeah That that that counts That counts They've done they've
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never done a whole album together That's why So I But they count because they done so much Well I we'll just stick to
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to tr traditional uh duos then Um
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I would have to say we sitting top five all time And I got to say Chris Cross
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Chris Cross Okay I wasn't expecting that Yeah If if we saying all time I got Okay
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Yeah I'mma start I don't know if we ranking them but I'm going to start with UGK UG
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K Okay I can dig it Um Ballinger G Ballinger G All right Damn We at three
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Okay Way in order Oh two Five and five Okay that's perfect That's perfect
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That's perfect We overlap Okay Because I think it's it's So that's a total of three right so we
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going one for him and two and two for me You said crisscross Crisscross ball UGK
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Um I'mma go with I'mma go with Outcast Okay Yeah of
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course Of course All right Run DMC There you go
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Boo and Web Are they at Are they Yeah they put out an album Ghetto Stories
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It's It's my era of my generation like Fair enough I didn't realize that That's
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That's That's three or three All right [Music]
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Um I'mma say Red Man and Mean Okay Okay Damn He took He took my next uh I'm
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going go with the clips Clips All right Yeah I [ __ ] with that Uh
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that's four for me How many is that eight Yeah Four Uh do y'all doing good though
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i'mma say Capon and Nora I got it I got it You said CNN You said
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CNN See all right That's not a wrong answer
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but I have a logical reply to that I'll just say M I knew you were gonna say M I
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had to I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt your list but I have to Sorry Queens Shout out to Queens Go ahead NY
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Now your your turn That was ain't going to be my 10 so cool cool cool I'm cool with that Uh
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man I want to go off the rails You know I'm slightly unhinged Uh these things
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but um I'm gonna go Starlite on Don Trip I
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can dig that I can dig that Y'all deserve it though Y'all deserve it I can
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definitely say that I could definitely say that I thought about uh I thought about Gangster Bu and Lhat cuz that
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Ganga Bu is my my girl I know they didn't they never did it Uh I know they never did but they they they were very
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close though Yeah Yeah I was listening to them the other day Shout out to the chat Yeah Rest in peace to Boo
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Definitely Yeah Rest in peace That was my man There was two people that embraced me from day one like I I
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was nobody and I met them both separately in different times or
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different points in my my life and they both embraced me and it was always genuine even up to you know even up to
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now you know I still rock with you know you know know me and chat still rock and you know um Boo her and Boo are like
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sisters I don't know how they were like together early on and you know that is
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what it was but when I met them like you know they they they were super tight and
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even when uh even when she passed Chad took it pretty hard So you know I think even though they didn't have a uh you
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know official project together I think they definitely worth worth mentioning
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And if anything they you know they were the queens of Memphis So definitely definitely they um I always give 36 a
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lot of respect because they were like the only group I don't know another rap group that had two women in it You know
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what I mean and they That's true That's true Crime mob
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Crime mob True True But you know it's levels Yeah We probably 360 levels to that Yeah I was I was about to say DJ P
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and Juicy J That was I was close to name even though you know they worked as a part of a bigger
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click or collective but they were you know at the forefront They were definitely pink in the brain or the
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brain in the brain Yeah For sure For sure For sure man and set a standard It was It was a lot of honorable mentions I
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wanted to say Nate Dog Warren G I was thinking Corrupt and Dash I was thinking Dog Prime Corrupt and Dash That was that
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was one Phil Mob out of Georgia Definitely Phil Mob Shout out to Smoke
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Yeah It's a lot It's a lot I mean and that's to say even for us like man we're
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students of this Like we're not so full of ourselves to act like we God's gift
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to rap and nothing before after matters like um I like what some some of some
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people collaborating have done since in the time since we've linked I will say
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the collab project is kind of more of a like novelty thing than we turned it
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into its own entity or brand or franchise if you will cuz there's been
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Drake and Future project was dope but it was a oneoff you know what I'm saying and a lot of times it it can seem like a
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play more than like okay we locked in or we rocking like that So I agree and I
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appreciate y'all's chemistry through the years and the music holds up which is really dope cuz a lot of music
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can well it's it's nothing wrong with being in a time capsule cuz I think that exists but for it to be in that that
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year or whatever and still be uh listenable is is always dope Yes sir
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which fortunate too Yeah for sure The big timers That would that was going to be my number 10 That's what I That was a
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big one Yeah Yeah Big time Underrated For sure For sure Yeah Yeah Okay All
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right All right Well fellas I appreciate y'all's time Hey man Yours Any final words for the project uh man Step
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Brothers for Life May 9th The tour We gearing up man We adding new dates daily
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So you know we we we putting as many plays together as as physically possible
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For sure Y'all got a favorite city outside of you know your city no I
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actually don't I I don't have a favorite anything You don't have a favorite anything no I don't know Well you know
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when I whenever I travel Favorite gun bro Favorite gun what's your favorite gun he got like 200 something guns What
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oh my god We got to talk to 244 I just bought four Whoa Um I don't know It
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depend on All right baby Doesn't have a favorite
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Anything No you got to No you got to give a Oh my god Now
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okay We got to We What's your Why you love guns so much um it's a few
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different reasons Uh the main reason it's
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uh it's like painting It's it's like uh it's therapeutic It's like painting Yeah
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it is It is Will you ever if you see y'all in New York so you don't you can't like go to the gun range But if you go
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to the gun range and you know you take your target it's a a line seek loose Say
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I put 30 in your head all in the same hole Yeah If you can manage to to
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destroy a complete circle out of a a target then that in itself is is that's
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art That's artistic rendering Yeah you could you could frame that Okay But um
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Chic is a poet I be a painter It's like um I mean you know I I that's I guess
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that's how I co-related It's uh I don't know man It's well being able to control
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something that powerful cuz you know that that same round that
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you using for could be for sport could be for training could just be for practice or for me you know stress
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relieving pointed in the wrong direction that round destroys Yeah And you know I I
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think that you know might might be like um maybe not the exact kind of thrill
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you would get from like being a uh like skydiving or that kind of
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but I I think it it's it it really bottled down to the control Okay Cuz I
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got um I got some extremely powerful rounds and I got some kid-friendly rounds I
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teach my my kids how to shoot So you know I got small calibers like uh 22 uh
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what is it 17 and I think it's NHM or something like that Okay Um uh four 4.6
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by I'm not sure what the the the
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uh casing is but it's a 4.6 five
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um then you know I don't know if if you're familiar with any of these rounds but those are small calibers and a round
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like a uh like a 4.6 Six is a round that's typically fired from uh uh MP7
45:56
The MP7 is not civilian legal It's a uh a military gun There's no single fire
46:02
for this firearm Okay But those rounds are pretty powerful Like you know even
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though it's small caliber it it it would destroy anything If you was shooting at
46:14
a car door it it might make its way out of the other side of that car door Got it Same for like a uh a 57 to make it
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way through the door Okay But uh I even got I mean I also got like big rounds
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like a 458 SOCOM that would then knock the door off the hinges That's how long
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that's how long the round is But it's about as thick as my thumb is But it'll
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knock the door off the hinges It's a um like a 4570
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4570 was designed to to drop uh small elephants in in Buffalo
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Yeah So you know I I is a sniper a coward a
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coward no Okay No I Well you got to
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consider first if we talking about like DC sniper learning I thought Remy was a
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cow Remy was definitely a cow Well see but that's what I that's what I was getting at If if if
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if if you take a gun and put it in and you know if you use a gun for malicious intent you a coward anyway cuz there is
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no way to defend But I mean in the true sense of what a sniper is for war right
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that sniper is there to to cover what you can't see if you on the front line
47:39
And in that sense you know them snipers keep people alive and vice versa those
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snipers keep you from getting hit by other snipers and you know so I think I
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think that's one of the um one of the most needed positions if we speaking like armed combat if we talking about
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like on some uh you know some mass murder terrorist kind of right and I think that's quite cowardly cuz you know
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I don't know I I only believe in using a firearm when it's necessary got you know
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cuz you Can't ain't no erasing that You can't undo that You know I hit you in your jaw a few you know days maybe a
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week you know swelling go down you good But you know shoot that's a whole different You good after a week well a
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punch Oh right That's what I'm saying If I physically hit you but that's what I'm saying If with a bullet that [ __ ]
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irreversible Yeah Yeah Yeah And you know there's ain't no taking that back Even if it heals there's no taking that back
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And you know I I wouldn't dare use the gun for you know for all the extra Like
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I said if anything it's more more therapeutic Same for building them You know it's shit's more therapeutic But we
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live in Tennessee so you know Yeah Out here you build that you might learn how
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to sharpen shanks immediately because Right Right Right They slamming you here
49:04
with that So all right I don't want to get too deep in this because I I have way more more questions than I should
49:10
but there's a movie called Havoc on Netflix Havoc And it's crazy You got to
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watch that movie They just you know it's crazy You got to watch it cuz Well see that's the thing
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with some some of the movies most movies they get real unrealistic with the guns
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man Yeah Super But I I respect the movies like or films I don't know if you
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familiar with Lioness with uh Zo that had they had sniper couple snipers on
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that joint That's the most accurate I've ever seen firearms be displayed in in
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film Okay Okay Like if you know if you wanted to get get a get a know a feel
49:50
for how firearms actually operate that would probably be See I like the snipers in that one They was protecting and
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Right But even you seen that too yeah I watched them When you watch that you see
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that no matter what happens tactical awareness is what's the most important
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Not what gun they shoot not how many rounds they shoot The tactical awareness is what's important And in real life
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it's the same thing You know they it's people that go train every day and you
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know you you want to be prepared and you want it to never have to happen in real life Yeah But you you know when when you
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got a firearm it's first thing they tell you in firearm safety is you you're responsible for everything that that
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that bullet touch right and you know in real life if you ain't got no training you got it's a very high chance that
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whatever you aiming at you won't hit and like I said a film like I mean well a
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series like the lioness they you know they show you that you know it's easy to
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just be shooting Mhm But you know they they shooting with purpose and with intent You got to know that you know you
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responsible for whatever happens once you fire that firearm Okay All right All right I'm I'mma stop I ain't going to
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get into the to the uh sidearm or whatever that we No appreciate y'all Thank you Thank
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you man Appreciate you brother Presence Yeah indeed
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