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Was Author Dave Anderson Too Real For The Breakfast Club? Dr. Umar? Ice Cube? He Talks It All!
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Aug 15, 2025
“The Real Black Agenda” Author & entrepreneur Dave Anderson taped a Breakfast Club interview back in JUNE, but it STILL hasn’t aired. Was it too real? Too raw? Or just bad timing? In this clip, Anderson breaks down what went down in the studio, why he came bearing million-dollar ideas for the hosts, and why he thinks the conversation NEEDS to be heard. Is The Breakfast Club saving it… or silencing it? He also talks about Ice Cube and what he thought about "A Contract With Black America." The book also discusses the state of Black Leadership, Dr. Umar Johnson and more. #BreakfastClub #CharlamagneThaGod #DaveAnderson #TheRealBlackAgenda #HipHopNews #DJEnvy #JessHilarious #Rumors #BlackExcellence #MediaControversy Subscribe to AllHipHop on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/allhiphoptv?sub_confirmation=1 Check out more of AHH here on social media: https://allhiphop.com https://twitter.com/allhiphopcom https://facebook.com/allhiphopcom https://instagram.com/allhiphopcom Executive Producers: “Grouchy” Greg Watkins and Chuck “Jigsaw” Creekmur AllHipHop.com, a powerhouse in the Hip-Hop world, was established and brought to life in 1998 by the visionary CEOs "Grouchy" Greg Watkins and Chuck "Jigsaw" Creekmur. Over the years, AllHipHop has solidified its position as an invaluable hub for all things Hip-Hop on the web. With its daily dose of news, exclusive interviews, in-depth reviews, multimedia content, a newly-minted expanding community, and a treasure trove of other engaging material, it has garnered immense praise and a dedicated following. Renowned publications consistently turn to AllHipHop for their news and feature references, attesting to the site's unparalleled accuracy and trustworthiness. Additionally, AllHipHop has fostered strong partnerships with numerous offline print magazines, newspapers, television networks, and radio stations, further cementing its influence and reach in the world of #HipHop.
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What's going on world? It's your man Chuck Freler aka Jigsaw All Hip Hop's in the building with Dave Anderson, author,
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motivational speaker, business mentor, advisor, health advocate, and more. He
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has written this book, The Real Black Agenda. We're going to talk about it. Exposing the myth, Igniting the
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Revolution. Yeah, Dave, thanks for coming in. Talk to me about this book a little bit.
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What made you write it? Thank you for having me. I wrote this book because I got tired of people talking about we don't have no solutions
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and we need a plan. We Everybody knows what the problem is. What's the solution? And for me, I said, "Okay, I'm
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going to write it down so you can't say that you didn't hear it, pick it up, read it, the whole nine." And um the
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response is is insane. It's my 22nd consecutive bestseller and it's arguably my favorite book that I've written to
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date. Yeah. Now, I looked at the Amazon reviews, all fives. Yes. Straight fives. Um, but when you talk
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about the real black agenda, uh, the word real that stands out.
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Why Why did you include the real black agenda? Because a lot of times people will write
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an agenda for black people and it's condescending. It's disrespectful and it's for other people's profit, not
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necessarily the profit of black people. For example, um when Kla Harris was
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running, and this is no disrespect to the former vice president, she said, "Well, you know, I've got an agenda for black people and black men specifically,
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and we're going to figure out a way to let you sell weed." I was like, "Wait, whoa, hold on. You mean to tell me like
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that's what you think we are?" Or you'll have other politicians say, "Oh, well, we got to deal with the prisons." Okay,
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yeah, that's a third of black men, but what about what really needs to happen?
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how we get educated or miseducated, how we cut out anything creative and focus
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on balls and prison pipelines. We we focus on the wrong things. And to me, a
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real black agenda is one that protects, uplifts, and respects our ancestry and
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also respects the direction we need to go as a people. And so that's why I called this book the real black agenda.
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Plus, I ironically found out after this book was published, there's a book called The Black Agenda. And I didn't
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even know until um the book was already out. But yeah, know thank god I called it the real black agenda.
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Yeah, definitely. So you you're wearing this shirt, no handouts, no begging, just power. Yes,
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that's a powerful statement. Certainly. What made when you looked in the closet, you said, I'mma wear this.
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I mean, it's it's it's my real black agenda shirt. You know, the other part of it is we got to stop getting caught
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in the trick bag and the nonsense of, well, you're asking for handouts when you're asking for reparations. the
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Japanese Americans who got taken from their homes and their business and put in internment camps. Were they asking for handouts or were they asking for
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repair? Is it a situation where you look in every hood in America and the gas prices
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are are extensively higher than what they are in the suburbs? Is it asking
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for a handout to say our people are the fattest, the most unhealthy, the most chronically
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ill, and most of it has to do with what we're consuming. We have more churches and churches chickens than we have
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co-ops and farms and farmers markets and people who are building towards our health. We want to have people talk
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about, well, we're going to drop the cost of diabetes medication. How about we get rid of what's causing the type 2
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and type three diabetes. Now, in America, we don't call it type three diabetes. We call it Alzheimer's and dementia, but it's sugar on the brain,
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right? And you know, for me, those are the things we need to talk about. But we
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need to talk about the fact that we're being miseducated. We're being misled. We have so many of our sisters in
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college and no one's talking about the debilitating student loan debt they're dealing with. And you look right now
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300,000 black women 3 months after I finished writing that book are now out
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of a job because those degrees ain't as hot as they used to be. And those programs, yeah, they created these DEI
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programs. White women have benefited, but their numbers from employment have barely changed. while black women just
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got decimated. Yeah. To quote Umar Johnson, you don't find that suspicious? I'd say it three times, but we're on a time.
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You'd repeat it. Repetition. Repetition. We'll talk we'll talk about Dr. Umar in a minute. In a in a in a in a little
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bit. Sure. Um the uh the the the solutions, you know, that's
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that's uh that's key. Yes. Let's let's say what's a first step? I
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think our first step is understanding that the number one export America has ever put out has been black labor, black
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talent, black creativity. And the problem is there's a lack of black ownership. Not just cooperative group
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economics, but black ownership for the idea, for the IP. You know, you just
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take hip-hop for example. Look how many people give away their publishing the same day they signed their deal. Or
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they'll say, you know what, I I made all the money I can make. I'm just going to sell this catalog. And then you see how
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other folks who do not look like us will take that catalog and all of a sudden it's on Apple commercials and it's in
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all different types of forms that had never been in before. They're they're cashing out on our hard work. And so I
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think ownership is extremely important and control of ownership. So, you know,
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being black, building black, and buying black needs to be something that goes beyond a slogan. You know, you don't got
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to go to Chinatown and see by Chinese because you don't need it's it's implied. It's a part of the culture. Same thing with Jewish people. You go
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anywhere in America. I've lived in 34 cities in 19 states. And what I found for the most part is there's a little
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Italy, there's a Chinatown, there's a Korea town. And with Jewish culture, there's a deli district and usually a
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diamond district. And I'm going to ask you, where's Brother Town?
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Where's Black Girl Magicville? Yeah. It don't exist. But you know what does exist? The hood. Yeah.
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And that's where they want to relegate us because we have been told that there's no money there. But you know as
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well as I do, no business like a McDonald's or Dunkin Donuts is going to build in a place that's going to not be
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a profit center. So show me a hood without a McDonald's, I'll show you a hood that doesn't exist. Yeah.
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So there's money there. We are just not collecting it. Our dollar stays about 6
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hours. Everybody else is, you know, 20 days, 28 days, 14 days, you know, a week and a half. That is a problem. But we're
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also economically miseducated and undereducated. So, we have to realize
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that if we're going to do this, we have to do this from a real place. Not just a cute little festival where we're
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shooting money guns and talking about business in a 35,000 foot sense, but in
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a real sense and talking about this is what it looks like. There are days where there's going to be more month at the
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end of your money. Entrepreneurship is not easy and an education ain't always going to save you. You have to be
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prepared to ride out all of this. I know it looks glorious on Instagram, but in real life, I know plenty of millionaires
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who are broke. Yeah, absolutely. Because there's a difference between assets and liabilities. And those are
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conversations that we have to have without being offended and without looking like just because you don't know
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something makes you a bad person. And ignorance isn't always a bad thing. It's an opportunity for you to learn what you
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need to know. Right. Right. Hey, now I was talking to somebody about hiphop specifically, but
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it seems to be almost like um more broadly about black folks and
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he basically was like, "We've just trained people. They can take from us and there are no repercussions and they
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can take from us and monetize or we give it away and they can monetize." Um, from
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a hip-hop perspective, it sounds about right. Sure. Especially when you're looking at the other art forms or
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creative spaces that we've create made and then made popular. Um, but as as black people as an export,
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it seems to apply as well. Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? Well, a couple of things. The first thing I'll ask you, because I mean
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you're Mr. All Hip Hop. Um, name me the Black Record Company. The Black Record Company,
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not a label. Uh, yeah. Not an imprint. Okay. The Black Record Company.
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I don't know. They don't exist. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We either, you know, we either build it up and then
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sell it or we have the label, but somebody else handles distribution. And I find that very laughable in an age
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where what do we really need a distribution for? Yeah, the marketing dollars are nice, but you know as well
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as I do, the average deal is going to be what, eight points. And everything comes out of that eight points, right? So all
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your recoupables, everything comes out of that. So you're basically whoring yourself out. And what I find so horrible is you'll
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hear black people say, "I'll never take a payday loan." What do you think a record deal is, boos? Like I mean, you they've done it to
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everybody. And it's like, okay, they're going to give you this big old signing bonus. And then when your album doesn't
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do that well and you're sitting up here struggling, guess what they're going to do? they're going to sign you again or say, "Hey, give us your publishing or
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let's" So, at what point do we not realize all we got to do is get behind
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these folks and we don't need them. We got to start building up our own type of
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situation, whether we build our own SoundCloud or exploit SoundCloud for, you know, digital independence and start
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showing up to shows again, not just the shows they tell you to show up to. Start building your own awards. I love
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what they did in Nashville. They created the Southern Entertainment Awards. That thing's been around for 21 years now. Like, we need more of that. I look at
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what just happened with um BET Hip Hop Awards and all that good stuff. That doesn't surprise me, right? You know,
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but now the only thing black that's standing when it comes to um celebrating
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who we are is Jason Lee's show. I can't count the image awards. I I can't count none of that other
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stuff. Why Why can't you count the image awards? The NAACP has not had didn't have their first black president until after I was
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born. You can't destroy the root of a thing from the fruit of a thing. I'm talking about blackness. I'm not
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talking about black faces and white spaces. I'm talking about things that are owned by us. Like you're getting upset, not
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you, but societyy's getting upset at BET, but Bob Johnson sold BET before my oldest daughter learned how to walk,
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right? She's 26. Let's do the math here. Yeah. So at what point do we not say
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that our addiction to palmcoled adjacency or the illusion of access is
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more valuable to people than us thugging it out and building something from scratch
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because they're throwing you an easy button that comes with a whole lot of chains and conditions that you can't get
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out of. Look how many people trying to get out of deals and walking away. And then when they do, look at what they did
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to Chamilillionaire. All of a sudden, Chamilillionaire can't rap. No, he went and got an audit and all of a sudden he was persona non grata.
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Yeah. That's the thing. And then look who gets elevated. The people who go along, the people who partner. For every Jay-Z,
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there's a dame dash. Right. Well, that that was kind of where I was going to go next with it. You know what about racism? Like racism is very
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real. Sure. the the penalty for someone that's perceived as too black or too rebellious
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is powerful. Yes, I know a little something about that. Um what I will say is this. I
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remember um being interviewed at some venue. I don't remember what the venue was, but the person was like, "Well,
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what's your issue?" And I said, "My issue is you got these folks who will act like it is okay to exploit our
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women, to exploit our young people, to promote gang culture, but they would not let their kids who live in gated
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communities and our palm colored while they listen and uh and consume 70% of it. They would never let their kids
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participate in that type of stuff." Yeah. Then come to find out, people like Leo Cohen hopped on a breakfast club and said, "Well, I got to eat. You've never
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starved a day in your life, bro. You invented the 360 deal." Scooter brawn. Like it amazes me. Here's an example.
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Not just hip-hop, but black music. And when I say black music, I mean throughout the diaspora. Yes, I'm a
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foundational black American, but I'm black wherever I go. What happened to Millie Vanilli?
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They got screwed. Uh-huh. Yeah. But here's what the narrative was. The
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narrative was they lip-synced and they fooled everybody. Do you know who was in charge of the record company?
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Clive Davis. Okay. Clive Davis was in charge of the record company. And I'm not saying anything that isn't true because Fab is alive.
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Rob is dead. But Fab told me himself. Clive Davis knew everything that was happening. And they put them little boys
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up there. The same reason that they threw Martha Wash in the back of the room and put models up when she was
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singing. Right. They continue to say, "If you don't look a certain way, if you're not the right type of black, if you're not culturally
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uh offensive, if you're not question markish, then you can't be out front. So we gonna put you in the back, and then we're going to exploit these cats. And
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then when the cat gets out of the bag, we're going to run off and act like, "Oh, we didn't know." There's a whole
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documentary on it on Paramount Plus. I saw it. It was great. And and and that's my thing. It was redemptive, too, by the way.
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It really was. And and that's the thing. You look at who continues to get screwed. And when you look at just the
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amount of people, right, people look at what Puff did, and I'm not excusing his behavior, but who taught him
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allegedly? I'm not even going to say No, but my whole thing is you look at David Foster
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said something very important when Whitney Houston did her last stop. He said the difference between Whitney Houston and Barbara Strian is only the
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instrument. Whitney's instrument has been through hell. Barbers has not. That's why Barbara can still sing. And I think, and
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I'm paraphrasing, so forgive me, David Foster, but I remember him saying something along the lines of, "I think it's criminal for a voice like that to
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even be pushed at this point because it's just not what it used to be, and that's going to diminish her
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legacy." Yeah. I'm not going to say that somebody particularly pushed that. And while
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Whitney Houston laid dying in a bathtub, that same person was having a party that night.
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Oh boy. And and that's the thing. And it's not just him. Who won the East Coast, West Coast beef? Inner Scope.
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Jimmy Ivy. I can say that. Who made more money off of Beats by Dre than Dr. Dre did?
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Jimmy Ivy. Every time you look, they're right there. And it's the same thing in
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hip hop, in R&B, in sports, in every major field of black human endeavor.
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There's somebody else getting paid off of what we create. But isn't that our fault? Isn't that
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Isn't that ultimately our fault for making those decisions in and and and
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going along with that? Let me let me ask you this. Would you blame a lab rat for being put in a lab
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uh maze and smelling cheese and on the end of that cheese there's a trap that
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they didn't know? All they know is ooh there's cheese and this is my environment. Mhm. You know what I'm saying? They've done
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that experiments where if you take the the lid off the jar, the gnats that haven't been in there before, they're only going to go so far. The fleas or
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whatever it is. There is a certain amount of ignorance that has been taken place. Then you also
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have to look at what's happening culturally. Culturally, it's always been if you want to get anything done, you
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got to go to the white boys. If you want to get anything done, you want to be somebody, you got to go where they are. I've seen rappers, you've heard rappers
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say, "Well, I'm going to go wherever the white boys tell me to." That's not an uncommon phrase, right? The thing of it is, is it your fault?
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To a certain extent, yeah. But did you create the system or are you just trying to play in it based on what those rules
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are? You know what I'm saying? Like Bo Jackson could never take a baseball bat into an NFL locker room,
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right? Even though he's a phenomenal baseball player, when he's there to play football, he's there to play football. Same thing with prime time. So, you have
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to play the rules of the game the way the game is set up. Now my question is at what point do we not take our ball
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and go home without being ostracized, without being labeled difficult, without being labeled a rabble rouser or a
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troublemaker. When you ask for your money like Left Eye did or like Ice Cube did or like Tupac did, all of a sudden
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what do Left Eye ice cube and two Never mind that sounds conspiratorial. Let's keep going. Yeah. Okay. Black leadership. Let's talk
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about that. I'm sorry. What? Black leadership. Oh, this is the oxymoron part of the uh
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conversation. black leadership. Um, what's what's your take on black
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leadership? My take is the same as my good friend, the late Dr. Julia Harris's take. The problem is not black leadership. The
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problem is we have too many leading blacks. They're bought and paid for. They are told who to do what with and
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how to do it. And if anybody steps out of line, you you condemn them. We look at leadership and say, "Oh,
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well, you know, this person is great and this person is um this person is
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wonderful and this is the person you need to follow behind." and we just do it without asking for anything. Who
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Who's a black leader now? I mean, I know Jesse Jackson's in a wheelchair, but Jamal Bryan is rolling
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him out to to to either fight about Target or fight about illegal immigrants. Neither, which is our fight. Like, who's our
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leader? When when do we lead ourselves? Better yet, who's the leader of the Italian-Americans?
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Great question. Who's the leader of the Chinese Americans? Who's the Japanese American
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leader? Who's in charge of the Latin Grammys? Off the top of your head, do you know? That's a great question. I don't know.
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Although I would argue that white people have one, Donald Trump.
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Here's my thing with Trump. It's amazing to me how the same people
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who are calling this man racist was watching the Celebrity Apprentice and cheering on Nene Leaks, Arinio Hall, uh
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what's her name? Oh god, I see Kenya Moore. All those people had no issue with it. It was number one in black households.
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Um, I do remember that Arseno when he had Farrakhan, allegedly had Farrakhan
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on his show the first time, so it wasn't a black thing or a white thing, it was a night thing. All of a sudden, his show
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had to go. Mhm. Who got him his show back? I don't know.
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Trump. Oh, that's nice of him. It was very nice of him. And that doesn't mean that I don't think he's problematic, but my whole thing is, name
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me a white president who hasn't been racist. Uh, JFK.
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Hm. Okay, that's one way to go about it. But even with that,
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what what what did we have? And what what did they do for JFK? Like how how did JFK tangibly help the situation?
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Well, you know, are black people any better off now than we were in the 60s?
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Not now, but there was a period of Sure. of of upward mobility.
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Absolutely. Now, here's the thing. A fairly long case. Here's my thing. I don't care who's in
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there, right? In in the movie Black Panther, Coy says to Niki, I serve that
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throne, no matter who sits on it. It is up to Chuck Creekmore. It's up to Dave Anderson. It's up to whomever to
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still provide for our families, regardless of who's at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. We spend so much time focusing
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on who the president is and not enough time focusing on who our alderman is, who our block captain is, who's in
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charge of our school boards for our children. You know, what homeschooling
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options we have. We get caught up in all of that. But my whole thing is the one thing that I know about every single
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president, including the one that we like to say was the first black president, is they all do for the people
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who pay them first. We like to sing and hashtag and we shall overcome and complain about oh this push is bad and
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this person is racist. You live in a country that was founded on your blood and racism.
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Yeah. What else you got? There was a point where we had a thing called the black liberation movement but magically that
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got wiped I'm sorry wiped and I almost said whitewashed. Oops, I said it. Um
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into civil rights where fat white women got to work at Panam because you know before that they
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weren't sexy enough. It becomes about everybody else. Yeah. The 13th and 14th and 15th amendment were about black
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people, but it became about everybody else. And you know who's last to get paid? You know who's last to get taken care of? You
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know whose communities are last and damn near everything? Black communities.
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But we over here caping for everybody. We in the streets in in LA because they're going to deport us next to where
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where is our country if not this one? So, at what point do we not start writing checks and holding all the
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politicians and everybody in his cabinet around him? Yeah. Well, writing checks, that's an important part that most people don't
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talk about. No. I mean, last year I supported a couple of politicians and gave more than ever
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uh at that, you know, in my life, right? Which I think more folks need to
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consider when and then some of us will back both. Yes. You know, in order to get
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Yeah. It's called hedging your bets. That's what smart people do. See, black people are the only group in America
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that vote 90% one way. Everybody else has people on both sides of the aisle. And for those of you who
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say, "Well, what about the gays?" I give you, Bruce, I'm sorry, Caitlyn Jenner. Hispanics have people on both sides of
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the aisle. Asians have people on both sides of the aisle. Then we don't hold our black politicians to a higher
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standard than we do the white ones. And to me, I expect people to behave
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differently, especially when our votes and our dollars put them there. Here's what I mean. If you were to
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Google, and I challenge anybody on this, Google, you know, there are caucuses for every important group. There's a
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Congressional Black Caucus, there's a Congressional Hispanic Caucus, and there's a Congressional AsianPacific American Caucus. When you look at the uh
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Congressional Black Caucus versus the other two, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus says our fundamental issue is
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making sure we secure America's promise for Hispanic Americans. The AsianPacific American Caucus says
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our mission is to secure the American dream for Asians and Pacific Island
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Americans. Mhm. The Congressional Black Caucus says, "We want to secure uh American uh the
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American dream for all different types of marginalized people." So, the black people ain't putting black
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people first because everybody's afraid to say black. That's why we get all these terms. I knew Tupac. I don't know Bipac.
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I don't know who that is. You knew Tupac? Yeah. Uh oh. Okay. And by knowing him, I worked for his mom. I met him twice. Okay.
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But I knew for a fact like when I spoke to him, you know, we got down on the fact that he was a theater kid. I was a
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theater kid. you know, we got down on the fact that we had uh mothers that were big on stoking our creativity, you
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know, and that was, you know, for me that was a very very cool experience. I met him once when I was 17. I met him again when I was 19. And then later on I
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worked for his mom. Um, and my whole thing is they don't talk about that side of that man. We
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have to control our image. But that's the thing. We're all about people of color and being so
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inclusive and and black and brown and this that how what's the black award that is carved out at the Latin Grammys?
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What is what is the part of Chinatown that's carved out for black people? So why is it that we're putting on a
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cape for everybody except for us? And when we do put on a cape for us, we're we're being called divisive.
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That's my issue when it comes to okay, orange man. Yes, he's bad. He's absolutely horrible. I can't stand him.
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But the truth of the matter is we done been through worse. Yeah. And we will be through something worse
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than him. Because before him the the the the thing was, "Oh, George W. Bush is a racist." And da da da. Okay, cool.
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We made it through Bush. I bet you you'll take Bush over this dude. Absolutely. But even Bush in his last interview said
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to the lady who was like, "Well, on your watch, we had 9/11. We had Hurricane Katrina. And Kanye said you're a racist.
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And what do you have to say about that? This is your last interview." on Bush basically leaned back in his chair and he said, "I promise you history is going
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to be kinder to me right now than what you're being." History is kinder to him now.
24:02
Because now you get an extreme. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? It's the Batman effect. You you you throw on a cape and
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a cow and all of a sudden you get people walking around with exploding winded penguins and now you're like, "Oh my god, Gotham is ruined."
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That man, listen, now let's go. I want to go through some of the chapters real quick in this book. You've got chapter
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one, the setup. I'm just going to run through them. The setup, the agenda,
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economics of freedom, the mindset of domination.
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Yes. Okay. Damn, I'm slowing down a little here. It's okay.
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Uh, family legacy, generational codes, the new education, the body count, how the system profits from
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our pain. our pain, culture as currency, the vote, the
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agenda, what we're building, who's it for, receipts and references.
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Yes, sir. Because the thing that I did not want to do is write a book that was just full of my opinions without having
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any type of factual basis. So, chapter 11 is receipts and references. I wanted to make sure that you could look, if I
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say this happened on this date, you can go and look it up. If I said I saw this on YouTube, I'm going to give you the
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the link and the time stamp. Yeah. So yeah, you can feel how you want to feel about the facts,
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but there's still the facts, right? You know. Okay. Okay. Now, let's talk about
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something that I'm wondering what happened with. I saw some promotion around you being on the
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Breakfast Club. And I was like, well, when's it when's it dropping? When's it coming out? You know,
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Charlemagne, you've known him a long time. I've known him a long time. And we've both been on that platform.
25:40
It's an amazing platform. Absolutely. I should I should add. Um, and shout out to Lauren Lar Roa who's on there now,
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too. Brilliant. Brilliant. Beautiful edition. Absolutely. But, um, I haven't seen the episode with
25:54
you and I'm wondering what happened. I don't know. I wish I could tell you. I went in there and told everybody to go f
25:59
themselves or it was a contentious interview, but none of that happened. I've been with Charlemagne 20 years. Um,
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it's the question I'm getting because I taped the interview on June 25th. Um, and we're well into August at this point
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and it hasn't run. I don't know why that is a question for the Breakfast Club. Um, what I will say is they knew what
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the book was. I gave them the book ahead of time. They had it in digital form, physical form, audible. So, I can't
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really say why they would not run um the interview because especially if you've
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known me, their producers know me 30 years. Charmaine has known me 20 years. You know how I get down. I didn't say
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anything that I haven't already said publicly. Yeah. Um my main thing is always going to be what
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it is, which is I don't see anything wrong by saying I'm proud to be black. I love being black. To me, it's like the
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concept of Black Lives Matter is a beautiful one. The execution from that particular
26:58
organization is a is a bit much. I don't have an organization. I'm just saying we need to be black. We need to be proud.
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We need to uh circle our wagons around each other. And I did not think that
27:08
that was too radical of a concept. Now, in all fairness to the Breakfast Club, I've been an executive producer of a
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nationally syndicated, very top rated show several times, and I know how many interviews get put
27:21
in the can or how long it takes for those things to get chopped, edited, and released. I also am not set up to
27:28
believe that I'm on the level of a John Cena, Idris Ela, Tisha Campbell, a full Force, or a kid from Kid and Play. I
27:35
understand that it might take some time, but I do think because of the things I
27:41
said in that interview, I think it's important for people to see it. And for me, just as a practice, with
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very few exceptions, I very rarely sit down for an interview when I don't have my own camera person. You're different. I've known you for a very long time. I
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know you're going to put it out, but I have no I I wish I could tell you that something volatile happened. I mean, we
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took pictures. We had a great time. It was a phenomenal conversation. And for
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the first time, I think I could be wrong. Somebody might be able to fact check me on this and prove me wrong, but
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I took time and my team and I took time to research every single member of the Breakfast Club, including the people who
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played a background. And I gave them each an estimated $2 million plan as to
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what they could do based on the holes I saw and the holes my team saw in what they were doing.
28:27
And I gave it to them in shiny red envelopes. I gave one to Jessarius. I gave one to Radio Big Mac. I gave one to
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absolutely everybody. I don't know any other business um person, I don't like the term guru,
28:38
entrepreneur, whatever, who was going up there and said, "Hey, here's something for you. No pitch, no nothing. This is
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what it looks like in practice to actually do this. I'm not a talking head. I'm not a substitute teacher backed by Steve Stout or somebody else.
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I'm a person that actually left the industry and started building businesses and coaching and and writing books. You
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don't write 23 books as a [ __ ] I've done some things and I've failed a whole lot. So, outside of what I've already stated,
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I can't imagine any reason they wouldn't let this interview go. But again, that is a question for Charlamagne because if
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it was up to me, it have been out cuz I got the footage. I just respect the platform too much to just bootleg it
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like I'm a rerun at the Doobie Brothers concert. Now, that's half of the people ain't
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going to get that reference. Exactly. Exactly. It's from oldheads. Yeah. Shout out to Charlamine. We'll make sure he sees this and hopefully has
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some answers and hopefully, you know, release it for people to see. I would love that. But anyway, he slice it. I I appreciate you just sitting down
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and having this conversation with me because it's not about the book and it's not about me. It's about the message
29:41
that needs to be disseminated. One thing he he did say, he being Charlemagne, that I liked, he said, you know, based
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on what I hear you saying, because he had not had time to read the book, which we get it. Charlemagne got more jobs than the Jamaican weigh-ins brother
29:53
Skip. He said, "A lot of what you're saying, I've heard Minister Faracan say.
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I've heard uh the Honorable Elijah Muhammad say. I've heard Malcolm say it. I've heard this one say it. That one say it?"
30:04
And what I said to him is the same thing I'd say to anybody who asks that question, which is, "Are black people
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where we need to be? Do we have Wakanda in America?" Then it begs repeating,
30:17
right? You know, there's only 88 keys on a keyboard. There's only so many songs I'm going to be able to sing. The other part
30:22
of that is I have a 26y old and I have a 10-year-old. If you tell my 26-y old, "Hey Dory, 2 * 2 is 4 and so is 2 plus
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2." She like, "Yeah, Dad, no duh." To my autistic 10-year-old, that's a revelation.
30:35
Yeah. I wrote this to give a revelation to a generation that has been completely disrespected and ignored, but I do think
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has the capability. Pac even said, "I might not be the person that changes the world, but I'm going to spark the mind
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of the one who does." I took that as a personal challenge. This is my continuation of that thought process.
30:53
What about reading in general? People don't read. And well, the the the the
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impression we get is that people don't read. I I'm very intentional now about
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reading. Um especially just for quiet time, peace of mind time.
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Yeah. And and also obviously for intellectual purposes. Sure. Do you think young people will pick up a
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book and read it? It's been on the top of at least four bestsellers list. I know it's not a
31:21
whole bunch of people who are just my age. I've ran into plenty of young people like, "Yo, Uncle Dave, man, I love a book." The other part of that is
31:29
this book launch has been different than any other book launch I've ever done in that I not only wrote the book, but for
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my Christian folks, I created a devotional. I created a workbook for everybody. I put it on Audible and I released what I'm calling the graphic
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manifesto which is the real black agenda in an manga style comic book formow
31:48
because I didn't want the excuse to be well people don't read yeah I read two books a day but I got time to read two books a day
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the average person doesn't have that you know so to me I was going to find a way to get the message out whether you
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pick that book up physically or not all right um let I mentioned black leaders earlier
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um when you gave me this book in the uh you know the digital copy. The first thing
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the first person that came to my mind was Ice Cube. And I say that because Ice Cube wrote I forget exactly what the name of it
32:18
was. Contract with Black America. Yeah. Contract with Black America. What did you think about that? I thought it was phenomenal.
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The problem wasn't Ice Cube. First of all, he went to somebody who
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when Jesus ascended, if you believe in the Bible, if you don't, the story is still important. When Jesus ascended, he
32:34
realized that he didn't have a theological expert on the team when he ascended. So he went and stopped Saul on
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the road to Damascus and said, "You're going to be Paul." Paul went and wrote 75% of the Bible. Ice Cube realized he
32:46
wasn't a financial expert. So he got the best black financial expert he could who had been working on behalf of black
32:51
people screaming at windmills, you know, like Don Kyote. And that is Dr. Claude
32:57
Anderson, no relation. And he put together something solid. And what
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happened was he went to the Biden camp and he went to the Trump camp. The Biden camp said, "Yeah, we'll deal with this
33:08
after the election." And the Trump camp said, "Uh, like some of this, don't like all of it, but you know what? We're going to put some of this together.
33:13
We're gonna create a platinum plan. You like platinum. Yikes. You like platinum. I know you like platinum. Going to check ourselves before we wreck ourselves."
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And people automatically called that man a sellout. And I'm like, so a sellout is
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a person that creates a basketball league for people that the NBA threw away, empowers a black woman to lead
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former NBA um players to a championship. I'm talking about Lisa Lesley who's a
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phenomenal WNBA athlete and everybody owes her and Cheryl Swoops and Dawn Stilly a great deal of gratitude for
33:45
what um you know Angel Reese and and Caitlyn Clark and those ladies are experiencing now. Ice Cube without Ice
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Cube would John Witherspoon be as big as he was before he passed? Absolutely not. Michael Blacks and Don DC Curry Chris
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Tucker we would not be having a conversation about Chris Tucker 30 years later if it wasn't for Cube. And even
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then, nobody believed in that movie. That movie became a cult classic. That movie is black people's Austin Powers.
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Austin Powers didn't do so well in the theater. Did all right. But Home Video and then, you know,
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watching it on cable. Friday became the blueprint for a completely different genre movies
34:22
because, you know, for those of us who grew up in the hood, yeah, the hood was dangerous. Yeah, we had to take, you know, crack vows out of the grooves of
34:28
our Timberlands before we went in the house, but we had a lot of fun in the hood. And he showed that. And he also showed
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that you can evolve from being one of the forefathers of gangster rap to being the are we there yet guy. Being the guy
34:43
who is putting other people on and being the guy that realizes that even though I'm rich and I'm able to put my kid in
34:50
positions that most people can't put their kids in, my people are suffering and I want to do this. I don't have an
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issue with anything Ice Cube did. I have an issue with the way black people responded to it because black people still love Steve Harvey but cancel
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Chrisette Michelle the same way they tried to cancel Ice Cube. If we're going to be consistent in our outrage and then we need to be
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consistent in how we revere or diminish or disrespect people who go against the
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program. Yeah, that's it. I don't care who the racist is, whether they happen to love an elephant or a donkey. If they're a
35:21
racist, we need to shame them and then hurt them financially. Mhm. That's just where I am with it.
35:26
Uh you you've made public commentary on Dr. Umar. Certainly. Uh now Dr. Umar,
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I'm not sure what we're looking at at this point. What are your thoughts on him?
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In rural Georgia, there's a kid named King Randall who's a year younger than my 26-year-old. He Tony Stark a school,
35:48
and by that I mean he built it with a pile of scraps in less time than Dr. Dr. Umar had been promising the school. He
35:54
didn't get $2 million in donations. He isn't the world's most requested scholar by whatever metric Dr. Umar
36:02
claims that to be, and I can't dispute it, so I'm not going to refute it. What I do know is that 400 some odd thousands
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of that 2 million was used to buy the school. It does not cost that much to renovate the school. I have donated to
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the school because just like I vote whether I feel my vote counts or not, I vote so that I have a right to complain
36:20
when something doesn't go well. You've invested in things before, correct? You've had you've had investor meetings
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before, correct? Absolutely. When was the investor meeting for the Frederick Douglas Marcus Garvey Academy?
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I don't know. There in lies the point. I think when you have a situation where you're
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taking donations, you have to be transparent. When that doesn't happen, there's an issue.
36:43
You have to look at what happened with GoFundMe. You have to look at what happened with Cash App. You have to look
36:49
at what's been happening. and now his accounts are frozen and you know there are some discrepancies with his tax
36:56
returns leading up to 2019. I think that he thought that he could pull this off by himself and he spent a little bit too
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much time leaning into the fun hokey meme on the snow bunny undertaker black
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queens forever snow bunnies never narrative and not enough time into taking into account what it takes to
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build a school. You know, my aunt, my uncle, my mother, my grandmother, hell,
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even my daughter are all teachers. And have you seen the curriculum for the
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Frederick Douglas Marcus Garvey Academy? No, I haven't seen uh any curriculum. Can you name a teacher that has been
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hired or said, "I've signed on?" No. Have you found a child who said that
37:39
they're going to be metriculating in the fall? No. What we have had is paint jobs,
37:44
memes, block parties, baby mamas, girlfriends, side pieces, and things of that nature. And I don't wish any ill
37:51
will on Dr. Umir, but I think his best move would have been from like if I was coaching him, I would have said um right
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around COVID, your best move is to take this situation online and create a supplemental program. It
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works for Khan Academy, you know, it works for um Harvard even has an online
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program that you can take edx. Like there all these things that you could have easily done, right?
38:17
And saved yourself a whole lot of overhead because what's happening is because of the lack of transparency, because of the antics, because of the
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fact that we don't have a curricula, we don't have any type of, you know,
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scholar other than him attached to this situation. You got people like DL Hugley
38:34
who's like, "Yeah, we can have a debate at your school as soon as you open your school." Like you're leaving yourself open and
38:40
that in and of itself becomes a problem because if a kid can figure out how to do this and you can't and then you got people
38:46
like Lord Jamar said, "Listen, I got I got family members that are open a school, you know, I've sent my contractor down
38:52
to Dr. Umar. I sent my attorney down to Dr. Umar to see if we can help." And you know what? you get either crickets or a
38:58
block party or barbecue or if somebody says, "Hey, I think you might be in over your head, then you're a YouTubing
39:04
struggle streamer or you're a hater and no." Yeah. Black boys need a place to be.
39:11
Black boy, he said it himself. Black boys get penalized and treated like criminals because we like to move
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around, right? That's why our favorite class is always either gym or recess. Yeah. Even the nerds of us, right?
39:23
Because we got to move around. We need this to happen and if it doesn't happen, somebody needs to pick up the
39:29
ball and run it into the end zone. So, it's not about, you know, not liking Dr. Umar. I think Dr. Umar is hilarious. I
39:36
also think as a father of a child with autism, Dr. Umar gives a whole lot of advice about IEPs and how to navigate
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that system. Can't take it from him. I think he's brilliant. Can't take it from him. This
39:47
school is the albatross around his neck and it's going to hang him if he doesn't
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produce something very soon other than we got a building. Let's paint. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, we're going
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to wrap up soon, but I want to get from you your top five dead or alive and and it
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can just be your favorites or it can be who you think are the best rappers of
40:10
all time. Okay. Cuz you you're still a hip-hop hit. Oh, yes. Absolutely. I just want to make sure. I love hip-hop
40:16
and I'm going to get listen I'm going to get blown to smitherreens, okay, for my top five and my top five come
40:21
down to my favorites and I have my reasons for my favorites. Um, and this is in no uncertain order.
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All right, Ice Cubes on that list. Okay, Lethal Injection changed my life.
40:33
Okay, as a person of faith, there's a skit on the Lethal Injection album where this dude is he's just standing there and Ice
40:41
Cube walks up on him says, "Hey man, what you doing?" He says, "Oh, I'm waiting on my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." He said, "You just wait for Jesus to fall out the sky." He's like,
40:46
"Yeah." He said, "You're going to gonna be needing them sneakers then." Wow. You see what I'm saying? But if my man was moving, Cute would have took his
40:52
sneakers. So, for that alone, I got to put in there. KRS1, the teacher. Um, Love's Going to Get
40:58
You. Phenomenal song. I relate to that song. I've lived that song. You know, I had a brother.
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Yeah. You understand? Um, I also think, you know,
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the amalgamation of his name, knowledge reigns supreme over nearly everybody still holds true. So that's why I wrote
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that book. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I was 17 years old in KRS. One, gave a lecture at Mama Mater Temple University and I was
41:20
floored cuz I was expecting a show. Yeah. What I got in return was an awakening I wasn't ready for. Um, you have for me,
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you got to put Queen Latifah on that list. Okay. The reason I put Queen Latifah on that list is the same reason that I put next
41:36
person on that list. transcending beyond
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what you're supposed to be. You know, a a thicker than average girl,
41:47
somebody from Jersey that most folks would have just written off has had a damn near four decade career of nothing
41:54
but greatness, Oscar nominations, Broadway talk show, revamping what it
42:01
means to have a black femaleled sitcom that then friends went and
42:07
stole. Stole. Yeah, literally stole. They watched this, oh, we could do this better.
42:13
Um, always hated Friends, by the way. Never. I never watched a full episode ever in
42:19
my life. Yeah, me neither. Um, Will Smith. Okay. Will Smith has to be there. First rapper to win a Grammy,
42:26
right? And he boycotted and everybody was behind Will for that. People act like Will is from West Philly.
42:32
And if you understand West Philly, the last thing you would ever do is call Will Smith soft. If he's soft, ask Tommy Davidson how soft Will Smith is.
42:39
You mean um Chris Rock? No, I said Tommy Davis. Tommy Davis on the set of Woo. Uh oh.
42:45
Tommy Davidson improvised a kiss with Jada Pinket. Uhoh. Will Smith was in that trailer having a
42:50
conversation. And I'll leave it there. That's Tommy Davidson's story to tell, not mine. But I said what I said. You can research it and ask Tommy Davidson
42:56
next time you see him if he thinks Will Smith is soft. Okay. Um
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so that's four, right? Shout out to Will though for people that know first album Will and you would
43:08
never you would never argue with what you just said. No, but I mean even with that like even if you and people are going to grime you
43:14
up for this because the singles were so poppy but if you go and you listen to Big Willie style
43:19
that record is incredible. Shout out to Ryan Toby who who ghost wrote a lot of those records. But
43:25
you know um what he did with Larry Blackman in Cameo that record Candy. Do you ever hear that record? Excuse me miss Can we tell for a second
43:31
I'd ask how you doing? You find I reckon. Wait, do you have a man? Cuz I ain't in home reckoning. No. All right, cool. Just check it. Like the way he
43:37
took a classic that was played at every family reunion and barbecue and turned it into something that was
43:44
just out of here. Like I think people don't understand the level of that man's talent. Plus,
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Will is a researcher. When you take time and say, "What do the biggest movie stars in the world do?
43:55
How can we make that better?" Yeah. Then it becomes a collaborative effort. Plus, Will Smith had something that I
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think a lot of people now understand was very powerful. He had Jeff and he had
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Charlie Mack. If you don't have a Charlie Mack on your team, you are losing. I'm sorry. Meek
44:13
Mill's best records were when he was with Charlie Mack. I will die on that hill. Yeah. So, that's four. I got to give you a
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fifth. God, this is such a hard thing because in my head it's a three-way tie with
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Rockham, Biggie, and Pac. I'll give you a three-way tie. Go ahead.
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Rheem for me. Lyrically dominant. Took 20 years off and made a truth hurt
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single relevant. Here it is. A groove slightly transformed. No, he didn't write it. But
44:44
that cadence Will stole from Rockham and admits he stole from Rockham. Right. Tupac took
44:53
he took an art form and elevated it in a way that very few people did
44:59
in that he could he could paint pictures like Slick Rick. He could give you gangster stuff like Ice Cube. He could
45:07
give you Mama's Boy track while keeping your manhood and street credibility intact.
45:12
He acted as if he wanted something better. and
45:17
his next move was always more. Where he would have been, he would have been where Will was had he lived.
45:24
Um, and so I said three-way tie, right? So then you look at Big. What made Big dangerous was when Big was
45:32
working, he was working. When he wasn't, he wasn't. Right. But he could take your style. The only person I've seen do Bone Thugs and
45:38
Harmony better than Bone Thugs and Harmony, aside from Biggie, is Mariah Carey. Okay.
45:43
Big was one of a kind. And Big understood Michael Jackson's influence
45:49
on hiphop better than damn near anybody. And when people say that uh you know uh
45:55
Michael didn't influence hip hop, I got a a debate with uh Tore one time about this. And I said, "Well, it's funny
46:02
because the engineer who engineered this time around, which is a record with Biggie and Mike, said that when Biggie
46:07
saw Mike, he said, "You're such an inspiration to me." So, if the king of hip hop on a lot of people's top five
46:14
said that Mike was an inspiration to me, that's all I need to say. Yeah. So, you know, that's my top five with the asterisk.
46:20
All right. So, wrapping up, talk uh lastly about your health and wellness journey
46:26
a little bit. Yeah, man. And and and you know, I've known you long enough to when you were over 300 lb
46:34
500 561 lbs. Five. Man, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I lost 343 lbs.
46:41
That's like two two to three people depending on the size of the person. Yeah.
46:46
I I I weigh more than the Undertaker and Kane combined at one point. You know what I'm saying? I I weigh more than the
46:52
collective unit of my family in my household. Um, a couple of things. First, my wife
46:58
came to me and she said, "I love you. I don't care how big you are. What I do know is I want you to go out in the
47:04
world and show me where you see a bunch of elderly almost 600 pound men and then I'll never say another word to you about
47:10
your health. Wasn't about my weight. It was about my health. Um and so I took steps. I saw a
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therapist because I came up with a grandfather who had a sixth grade education but said take all you want,
47:24
eat all you take. Because he had to feed six kids. And so you know you got 15 16
47:29
grandchildren. So we you couldn't waste food, right? You know, um also culturally
47:36
when somebody dies, we had a repass and that repass fried chicken is the tastiest chicken you will ever have. It makes you almost forget that your loved
47:42
one died. Um we have divorce parties, we eat, we have weddings, the reception,
47:48
what what kind of place you getting, beef or fish or chicken or whatever the case may be. Everything around us
47:53
is about food. And we need to start living living our life. Eating to live, not living to eat. And that became a thing
48:00
also. I was in broadcasting. I was in radio and you know I came up the from
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1987 till I say 2001 that part of my career. Most people you ain't see
48:11
nobody. Yeah. The days of the fat DJ got over real quick. And for me I want to be able to
48:18
dance at my granddaughter's wedding and neither of my daughters are pregnant, right? I wanted to live. I wanted a better
48:25
quality of life. You like comic books. You ever notice how people say like Spider-Man is like 10 times stronger
48:30
than a normal man? First of all, as a person that can now run up and down the steps multiple times. I will tell you,
48:36
we really downplay what it means to be a normal man. Normal feels amazing.
48:41
I did not realize I was carrying so much weight. And once I stopped digging my
48:48
grave with a knife and fork, I had more time to spend with my family. I wasn't always obsessed with what I was going to eat. And then I realized that
48:55
we have a lot of vitamin deficiencies. We have a lot of things that could be cleared up. And again, I already talked
49:01
about type three diabetes. My father suffered from Alzheimer's. My grandmother suffered from Alzheimer's. My grandfather suffered from
49:07
Alzheimer's. That is type three diabetes. It is sugar on the brain. We got to look at the high fructose corn
49:13
syrup. We got to look at what we're being fed, how quickly we can go get a a
49:18
two-piece meal, but how hard it is for us to get good whole foods. And it's not a it's not a coincidence that most
49:25
public schools in black neighborhoods don't have home, don't have a kitchen in it anymore, right? That's a fact.
49:30
So, I went from being the person that would have been the doctor now a bunch
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of times. You got to have a 1200 calorie diet. And I became the person that I
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always wanted to be. The person that could go to Target and pull a shirt off the rack and get it or go on a roller
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coaster with my kid. Now I'm almost 50. Roller coasters don't hit like they used to. Like I ain't got I mean, you running
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marathons, you know how hard it is. It's hard. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm still half a century. You know what I'm saying? I'm getting there. But at this
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point, the one thing that I think is revolutionary, the one revolutionary act that most black people don't talk about, Chuck, is if we got control of our
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health. Imagine how much brain fog would lift off of our people. Imagine how much more
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we would do. But if we decided to get healthy all at once, we'd be public
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enemy number one again. You wouldn't be able to control us again. It would take a whole lot more than a real housewives or a rap record or a sexy red to
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hold us back. Yeah. Because we'd be a nation of millions that would actually be able to walk the
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talk of so-called revolution if it ever came to that. Because let's face it, the only thing the dominant society understands are two things. The loss of
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revenue or the loss of blood. And we ain't prepared to pull our money. We got 22 black banks left standing. And
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obviously, most of us can't even tie our shoes without needing an oxygen tank. So, who we going to fight?
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So, that that's why health is wealth to me. Okay. Thank you, man. The real black agenda. Dave Anderson, salute, respect,
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congratulations, and everything. Thanks for for for being here at All Hip
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Hop and we will definitely talk soon. Any last words? Yeah, I just want everybody um to check
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out the book. Um please go to the realblackaggenda.com, follow me on all platforms at the businessbully. And I'm
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telling you, if you find fault in this book,
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I welcome that cuz I don't think I got all the answers. But this is just what my research showed. This is what I
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thought was important. And I think the best way we can get anywhere, especially
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when it comes to getting to the top of the mountain, whatever that looks like for us, is by having opinions that are
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different from each other. That's how we learn. We don't learn anything in a vacuum. We don't learn anything in an echo chamber. We don't learn anything
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sitting Sunday morning at a mega church giving, you know, billions of dollars a year. We learn by pulling our money,
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pulling our resources, and pulling our experiences and taking the sum total of all those things and building our own.
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And when we do that, we won't need anybody's help. We'll be able to repair ourselves while we wait for them to give us the reparations we're so greatly
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owed. Thank you. Thank you, brother.