Scarface

Is There A Conspiracy Against Hip-Hop?

Without question, Hip-Hop is one of the most revolutionary art forms created. But, in 2013 the music has become void of the political promise it once held in the Golden 80’s and 90’s. Some, with an almost violent fervor, have maintained that there is an over, concerted conspiracy against Hip-Hop.

Enter: Scarface, the legendary rapper from the Geto Boys.

Check out what he has to say where he name checks Jewish people, old people and says Whites will soon take over the culture.

  • maya

    He just got a beef on the business end so he’s lashing out.

    That aside, nobody is controlling what black people listen to. With the internet, we can listen to whatever we want and don’t have to listen to whatever we don’t want. Let’s just face the fact that the majority of today’s black audience just seem to have lame taste in music. Soul isn’t appreciated enough. Talent isn’t required enough. It’s so superficial. Watching most awards shows these days, the white Rock, Country, and even some Dance artists have more soul than most of the R&B and Hip Hop artists performing.

    • RMfag

      Just because he has beef doesnt mean he’s wrong. Thats a common discredit tactic.

      • maya

        So Jewish people control what music you like? They don’t control what I like. Record companies are about making money and they are going to put out what people buy.

      • just_some_bastard #ALCOHOLIC

        I agree with you.

      • Q.

        Rather, people are going to buy what record companies put out.

      • DJ7

        I stand by you on this fam…..

      • EL_BARK

        Exactly…..

      • The stupid sheep,yes.not all.

      • OffBreed

        No Jewish people don’t control what I listen to, but that’s not the point Face is trying to make. He’s trying to say that Jewish music execs. are responsible for what artists and songs get played all day long over and over again on the radio. The younger generation follows what’s considered hot..and fall for the bait. I grew up with Rap City and Yo MTV raps, so I was able to listen to and become a fan a lot of artist that I would’ve never knew about if not for those shows. If all I had was the radio to get my dose of hip-hop, then there’s no telling what type of rappers I would of been a fan of. You may not be effected by what these record companies try to force on us….but just because you’re not doesn’t mean that their tactics aren’t working on and brainwashing the more naive people out there..

      • DJ7

        Maya is the minority fam……what you just said is in line with majority of the kids growing up today.

      • maya

        You listen to the radio? Why? This is a new day and age. Radio doesn’t have power like that anymore. I grew up on radio and don’t bother listening to it anymore. The younger generation is all about the internet. Internet communities. Music gets passed around via the internet. Record companies don’t even have the power they once had. They simply aren’t necessary. They are catering to the wants of the audience. They pay attention to what’s selling and they pump it out and play it out.

        We need to own up to what we value as a society. Sex is more important than soul. Image is more important than talent. Melodrama is more important than passion. A female who is an aight singer, but is sexy, is going to be more successful than a female who has an amazing voice but is unattractive. If a successful, talented, male rapper comes out as a homosexual, he is going to lose fans. Creative television shows aren’t appreciated so networks put out things like the Kardashians and RHOA – because that’s what is selling.

        Matter of fact – just go to the top of this page and click “Community.” browse around. Read the posts. Take in the vibe. That’s the Hip Hop audience.

      • OffBreed

        You made a few good points. As for your question, no I don’t listen to the radio to jam to it, I just listen to it every once in a while to see what’s considered hot at the moment.You’re sitting here acting like the radio doesn’t still play a huge part in what people listen to though. Just because we’re in the internet age doesn’t mean that people don’t listen to it. How are these so-called hip hop stations still on the radio dial if no one is listening. How do you think the people in the clubs know dam near every song being played. Do you think they all just happen to have the same taste in music, or is there a common factor between all of them. It is a common factor…. and that’s the radio. The clubs and the radio stations are in the same bed. If you don’t think so, how come every song that plays on the radio happens to be the same songs playing in the club. I’m 29 years old now, and every girl I’ve messed with in my lifetime still listens to the radio, at least occasionally. Whenever I’m out just riding around, how come I hear people jamming the same songs. Again, do they all just happen to have the same taste in music, or is there a common factor.

      • maya

        Radio stations are laying people off, left and right, because they aren’t making advertising dollars like they used to. Why? Because people don’t listen so much anymore. More than ever, radio is playing what people want to here. That’s why NYC radio stations are playing so much garbage from the south. Cause that’s what people like. What do you think would happen if, all day, Hot 97 featured a Stretch Armstrong/Bobbito Garcia type, “real,” “underground,” “quality” type Hip Hop. Would the audience be influenced and make them underground artists rich? Hell naw. Hot 97 would go bankrupt.

      • EL_BARK

        If you re read your post… U answer your own rebutall….

        There a why a female who is an average singer but sexy will be more sucessful the an singer with a better voice.

      • maya

        ??? umm… it was a rhetorical question…

      • THEINFAMOUSDOT

        @maya The people who are here have owned up to and presented their values to you i don’t see why you’d argue with them, but despite the comments that you see here in this “internet community” do you see this site promoting any underground artists or heeding any black societal ills? This site sets people like scarface up to look crazy while enabling the very labels to flood them with weak shit because they and the advertisers line their pockets. The truth is Society instills values in people, and most of societies values are influenced by the media. People will listen to whatever is out because its there, they arent trying to search for new music. U are right that people have to be accountable for what they listen to and what influences them but those who profit also need to be accountable for what they release and how that influences people. You coming down on disenfranchised people for being upset is just excusing the beast.

      • maya

        Disenfranchised? Allhiphop’s not the only game in town. Nobody is forced or required to come here. It’s poppin’ for a reason. Enough people want it.

        The corporate “beast” is raping and ruining society on so many levels. But it’s not causing poor taste. It’s fulfilling poor taste. What’s causing such poor taste? That’s complicated. But you sure can’t put the blame on a group of “Jews.” They don’t care about what we want. They just want to sell it to us for as much money as they can get for it. If we want high-brow symphony – that’s what they are going to sell us. If we want pure African drumming – that’s what they are going to sell us. If we want trash – that’s what they are going to sell us.

        Pointing fingers is easy. Digging deeper is hard. Looking in the mirror is hard.

      • THEINFAMOUSDOT

        Im not blaming jews for anything society is a bitch, agreed. The beast is money hungry, agreed. Do people have poor taste? that is questionable because what the industry pushes we do not buy, it should realistically be reserved for all of maybe 12 hours of 2 nights in the week, It is simply marketed to us. What I am talking about does not pertain to other genres of music, it isn’t about any other social issues (although it is both influenced by and a contributor to socioeconomic issues) it is about HIP HOP and how the is mainstream using hip hop to promote an unemployable image and self destructive behavior. do you disagree with that? are u suggesting that the majority of black people support that image? Do you believe that the majority of black people support that behavior? Do you believe that disposable artists who don’t sell gold records are reflective of a people who are clamoring for more of the same? They sell what THEY want to SELL and WHAT THEY WANT US TO BUY. Thats how they want black people to be seen. All hip hop isn’t the only game in town your right, do you suggest that I leave? There aren’t many blogs that extend past the complex or vibe network anyway but thats how it is. I just come here to speak the truth. i challenge you to read about indoctrination, as you may know the beast must effectively dumb down the population and discredit freethinkers in order to remain in power. The used to Do so with mind numbing entertainment like gladiators in the coliseum but now theres the media. entertainment today is generally written at a 6th grade level so that anyone can understand it so Its not truly a matter of taste as you put it. Its the climate. You can choose to steer around the obstacles, but that doesnt mean they didnt put it out there.

      • Bravo.salute.

      • Exactly maya, I hate the blame game, blame this and blame that when peeps clearly have choices.

        Don’t get me wrong I always bumped Geto Boys back in the days, but totally disagree with scare face on this one. Blame the people who support the artist that are wack that these labels put out. If peeps didn’t like these wack rappers then they wouldn’t be buying their albums.

        Let’s not blame the labels for putting out what people buy after all they’re in the business to make money. Proportion the blame on the people who don’t support real hip hop but are happy to support what the labels call ” hip hop”.

  • RMfag

    Thanks to my little friend.

    • RMfag

      And suckable penises.

      • get yo bitch ass off the board

      • RMfag

        Why?

      • because you’re just a troll here talking about stuff that has nothing to do w/ hip hop

  • Face, youre top 10 DOA but pointing fingers at Jews is the easy way out…the decline started when hip hop became extremely profitable, rappers usually rap as a way out and once that $ start coming crazy, the vision and sound become blurred.

    • greenhouse records

      You gotta ask yourself why tho. Those white record execs make artists dumb down there lyrics or just pic a dumb artist.

      • I want the people who gave me thumbs down to really think about it, $ dilutes alot of shit not just hip hop/rap. When did diversity start to dwindle within rap? Late 90s to early 00s. When we were so many rappers getting lucrative deals? you guessed it….the same damn time period! Its less about black vs whites and more about green faces. im not saying I agree with it but i gotta be real about it.

  • So true

  • As much as I respect Scarface I totally disagree with him.
    hip hop is NOT the same as it used to be — FACT.

    Most artist jump on the bandwagon of whatever style is trending
    and are afraid to be different — FACT. This may be down to
    their labels that invest in the artists. Hip hop is a business and
    a company will always find out what people are buying and
    create more of it. THAT’S CALLED GOOD MARKETING.

    What label wants to lose money? So if peeps are buying CRAP
    the sane thing to do is put out more CRAP since it sells.

    Moreover a lot of hip hop artists are afraid to
    put out new albums due to the fear of failure and be laughed
    at by their peers.

    Since hip hop became a global business the person with the
    most money now controls “hip hop”. And lets not forget
    he who pays the piper dictates the tune.

    I have to give props to the likes of Joey Badass for reminding
    me of what I loved about hip hop.

    • OffBreed

      I see what you’re saying, but answer me this…is it easier for these labels to find a Nas or a Tyga. I ask this because these record companies are thinking of ways to manipulate the system to make sure they get paid…they can care less about the art form they just care about getting paid. If they can get people to buy into rappers who are less lyrical, then it will pay dividends in the long run for them because they can always find another rapper to take the place of a Chief Keef or another dumbed down trap artist once their popularity wears out, but trying to find another Big, Pac or Nas is difficult because those type of rappers are rare. By dumbing down the masses, they reassure that they will always get paid because once one of these non-lyrical niggas fame goes by the waste side, they’ll just replace him with a new face and keep the money train rolling.

      • this is what ive been saying, its more about the $ and not the color

      • Nice point there OffBreed,

        I agree that its easier to put out a SH** rapper than to create another Nas or Tupac and co. But lets not forget its people who are buying these SH** rappers albums. The more these dudes sell the more these labels can invest into finding another horrrid rapper. Now if peeps start protesting with their hard earned cash by not supporting these rappers then Labels will begin to get the message clearly.

        It’s going to take more than millions of voices to change what’s happening in the industry. This hasn’t worked to far and I can’t see it working in the near future too.

        The Labels do the marketing but they don’t force peeps to buy the albums, I don’t think I’ve heard of a label putting a gun to someone’s head and dragging them into a store to buy an album or forcing someone at gun point to pay for an track online. The fact is no one can manipulate anyone without their consent.

        The art form is not what it used to be which I agree, but if people are buying those other peeps albums —– NO NAMES MENTIONED AS THERE ARE TOO MANY TO NAME then that’s what they want. Why wouldn’t the labels market more?

        Peeps need to understand that they have a choice of whether they support the hip hop culture or otherwise and stop allowing companies to dictate what they buy. Its narrow minded people that allow others to make their decisions for them. We can’t place the blame on the labels without blaming those who support these artists.

        As for me I’m happy that I am strong enough to support real hip hop without being influenced by external sources.

        I long for the days that hip hop will become what it used to be.

      • atlantahiphopshop

        Programming is a powerful drug. It is something too complex for some people to consider when making “choices”.

      • THEINFAMOUSDOT

        Be clear @disqus_9Zk6aPJRMc:disqus and @GetUrExLuvBack:disqus that NOBODY IS BUYING THESE ARTISTS. 200.000 records in a country of 300 million people is garbage. There are more black people in California than the actual amount of units most artists move. For every 1 originator in 5 years thats goes platinum and becomes a mainstay, there are hundreds of imitators that come out and go wood, the labels are signing imitators and milking them for fun singles, and then dropping them. They have successfully discovered a way to keep black artists broke, stop black music from selling into their neighborhoods, and make money at the same time. Most people have made a choice not to buy into this music, but it hasnt stopped the labels from putting it out. It hasnt stopped them from silencing all the artists who are in the industry today, or from using artist LIke Jay-Z to promote a sense of mobility despite the fact that he will do his best to keep other black artists down.

      • Great point Dot, You sound like a very intelligent folk that has a number of valid points and I respect that. We need more people like you to hold a healthy debate despite the difference of opinions.

        You stated that nobody is buying these artist’s music yet they sell 200,000 copies. That’s 200,000 copies to many.

        I’m also not familiar with many of these “rappers” contractual agreements, but some of them still sell tickets to their shows, lets assume that the label also gets a cut from that too including other endorsements from such artists. This all adds up and creates streams of revenue for the label.

        As long as the label makes money out of what they are doing they’ll continue doing it and even upscale it too.

        Now with regards to the messages that the media / labels use to market to peeps, if they continue to fall for it this sums up the way they use their brain. No disrespect here to anyone. But it had to be said.

        I’m human too and have been subject to rappers and the media marketing me stuff on a daily basis, but do I buy into it ? HELL NO. That’s because I have a mind of my own and know how to use my brain to filter things out.

        Here’s the fact and I know you’ll have noticed this by now, people want to be part of a group and that what the problem is, people also do things and say things for acknowledgement, take a look at Faceebook for example it makes peeps feel worthy. This is like oxygen to some people.

        Back to the subject of media influence, a rapper ” NO NAMES NAMED” promotes a liquor that is over priced, that’s even too expensive for peeps to afford, they still go ahead and buy it because it makes them feel good despite the sacrifices they have had to make. They probably feel like a nobody without it or inferior to others drinking it. If I have to drink beer and everyone else is drinking ” rapper endorsed liqour I feel no different and couldn’t care less what peeps think about me. Others’ might not feel the same way, but each to their own.

        We can’t blame the media for what’s going on, as humans we have choices and if peeps are not aware of this then they are ———– fill in the blanks

        The same people who understand how real hip hop is taking a nose dive are the ones that you’ll see at the shows and the ones wearing all the imitation rappers merchandise because their peers do.

        Lets stop blaming the media / label people have choices as human beings the media only influences peeps with their consent. If I don’t like the new “hip hip I go and listen to my old hip hop since that is the choice I have.

        If many peeps could think for themselves then maybe that could be a good look for hip hop.

      • THEINFAMOUSDOT

        You make valid points but as a freethinker you should know the importance of identifying the problem. Regardless of whether or not you tune out the media, u cannot remain oblivious to, or excuse the fact that its using programming and image control simply because its an industry thats designed to make money. Music was made to infect minds and inspire feelings, if its catchy thats what it will do, the music industry is designed to make money, the powers that be are taking something as innocent as music and using it to inspire destructive behavior in the black community for money. As much as you can take the high road and tell people to think for themselves they must first be broken from the strangle hold of what has been deemed acceptable and that is through alerting them that there is a problem, and dealing with it. You cant excuse it just because you choose to do something else, why not change it so that you can enjoy the mainstream?

  • atlantahiphopshop

    There will be others saying the same thing soon. Happened to every music Black Americans created. Where my brothers at? Hip Hop is not properly filtered anymore. Needs more regulation. Regardless of what you say, Hip Hop, blues, reggae and others were started from the struggles of Black people, period. If we didn’t create it and nurture it to the point of being a thriving enterprise, who did? Why wouldnt black people fight to preserve their culture? White rappers arent building or innovating the culture any, they just imitate what black rappers do as a means to make money or get some trim. They arent making songs about their lives. (outside of Eminem), so whats the point of defending a white rapper, they aint putting in no work for hip hop! The point is, white kids want their “own” heroes, period, and record labels know this. For kids (black and white) to come on here and disrespect one of the pioneers of rap for telling the truth is crazy to me. The labels use the mentality that blacks dont buy records so why cater to them but blacks arent buying because the music is not any good anymore. In the last 2 -3 yrs. Major labels have introduced Kreayshawn, Ignorant Azalea, Mack Miller, Yellawolf, Kesha, Machine Gun Kelly. How much money have they made? Are they moving units and inspiring America like 50 cent or Jah Rule or Ludacris? (Not that I like any of them) but remember the buzz? Do we see that kind of buzz for these artist really? I can ask a kid in my hood, who is Mack Miller and they dont know him. People say he is big though. Complex named him man of the year or something though. They called some of the others the next hot thing, where? Not in my hood. The same is happening with movies. Steve Harvey called it right. It may not be a conspiracy as much as it is a business move to make money off of the more naive public of white kids and black hipsters. Black rappers are going to be looking real stupid when no one wants to hear them period, and that day is coming. The only records that get rotation from a black artist are songs like “All I want for my birthday is a big booty girl”. Even 2 chains admitted to “surrendering” his education and respect to sell records. SO is Scarface actually lying? NO! Its just uncomfortable for some to see separation in the culture. Think about it, If you take the black influence out of rap, what would you have?

    • maya

      I feel the same way about Hip Hop that’s not from New York. As far as I’m concerned, if you weren’t here to experience New York, in the hood, through the 70’s, 80’s, up until the early 90’s, at the latest, you are not really Hip Hop, and you don’t really know Hip Hop. You’ve only jumped on the bandwagon – as far as I’m concerned. **shrugs** Same thing with Blues and Reggae. If you weren’t THERE when THE struggle, the PRECISE struggle that resulted in that music, was happening, you have no more claim to the music than Joe Schmo white boy. Sorry. Humble thyselves.

      • OffBreed

        What you said made no sense. How were people supposed to know about hip hop in the 70’s and early 80’s if they never heard it? It took time for hip hop to spread to other coasts to become the global genre of music it is now. If hip hop had stayed only in New York, it would’ve died out because there wouldn’t have been enough supporters for it to flourish. Just because I wasn’t raised in New York doesn’t mean I’m less of a real hip hop fan then anyone from there. Some of the biggest contributers to hip hop were from cities outside of New York. I’ve always gave props to New York for being the founder of hip hop because who knows what genre of music all of us here would’ve been listening to if not for the founders of hip hop….but it’s that kind of talk you doing that contributed to New York falling off….all because of that high horse bullshit.

      • maya

        That’s the point. You don’t know real Hip Hop. You only know it after it was stolen. Derivatives. You are a bandwagoner and all you know comes from what you heard. You lack the true, first-hand experience. **shrugs** Sorry to break it to you.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Who cares go outside and get stop and frisked then see if hiphop can help get some of those unconstitutional laws changed up there in NY.

      • atlantahiphopshop

        You are a constant distraction from the matters at hand. We ALL could spin shit like you do on here but why? Its childish and a waste of time. Stick to real facts and quit generalizing everything. Its deeper than your well thought out excuses. Kool Herc was from Jamaica…SO….Hip hop, Blues, Reggae ALL derive from our DNA. It’s embedded in us. BTW I was in NY when it began. I go all the way back to Caz. STFU

      • Smoke Peacefully

        That is the main reason why NY fell off. Im not hip hop nor do I want to be I want to just be a successful black man f*ck hiphop. NY doesnt have no claim to the music because they couldnt keep it up thats why every other part of the country was able to take hiphop and perfect it while you lame NYers sat around crying about hiphop is dead. Yea its dead in NY nobody care about NY anymore, same could be said about R&B it has been perfected everywhere except NY. NY is full of a bunch of lames who are all talk.

      • atlantahiphopshop

        You are a fool. Shut up yo.

      • kristin

        This Smoke Peacefully dude is a metrosexual. I can see him now with dreads in a tight suit 2 sizes small with black horned rimmed glasses acting cosmopolitan. I dont like him.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        I dont wear dreads, I like dressing sharp plus I am part owner of a tuxedo rental shop so I got a tailor and tailor made suits on deck for everyday of the week, and I wear Oakley halfshock eyeglasses you might not like me but your mother would love me.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Feeliana you probably got a bunch of kids by 3 different baby daddies living off of child support and welfare, you are probably fat, stink, nappy headed manly looking broad.

      • Two_guns_Billy

        Uncle Tom ass ni66er stereotyping a black woman because he wants to be accepted..Go bleach your skin coon ass nigg3r..

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Why would I bleach my skin I love being black so I guess your opinion of me make you an ignorant. So therefore you are a stupid ass ni66er.

      • thuglifefukdapolice

        Man wtf u talkin pppl dont care about that the hip hop evolved from jazz n the blues. N r&b it was already a blk thang like too short n ice t said nobody liked hip hop until melly mel came out with the fam message outside of nyc because he talked about real isssues n thats hip hop all that other shyt was jus as dumb as the lean wit it rock wit it

      • acapwn

        That attitude is why a lot of people that live outside of NY don’t bother checkin for none of your NY rappers no more. That’s probably the way you want it though, right? Love that elitist attitude.

  • PL

    WHITE PEOPLE…Swagga Jackin’ since Time immemorial…

    • maya

      And you never “jack” anything white people started? You on the computer, right?

      • PL

        The ABACUS, mostly referred to as the FIRST computer was invented by the ancient Chinese…Try again homeboy…I’m sure if you google that you’ll find some white person trying to take credit for that too..

      • maya

        Google something on an abacus, ma. Make beats on an abacus, ma. Download music to an abacus, ma.

      • PL

        Everything you just mentioned is based on MATHEMATICS…Now tell me who were the originators and masters of that? …and please don’t say aliens or “ancient astronauts”!

      • maya

        Not you or any of your friends or family. Stop reaching. You sound desperate.

  • THEINFAMOUSDOT

    you can disagree with the message that Face is trying to convey all you’d like but be clear to be logical about it. Whether face has a beef or not, he HAS A POINT, if you dont believe that, then you are an irresponsible hip hop fan, i would even venture far enough to say that you are an irresponsible black person. Its true that you can support whatever music you’d like, but if you don’t believe that even the music YOU DONT LISTEN TO and the IMAGES THAT YOUR EXPOSED TO don’t effect you, you are wrong. You will see and hear the artists that are being promoted whether you want to or not. The only way to tune out the public is not to go outside but we gotta eat right? Right, now primarily black people have TWO cultures, Church and hip hop. Believe it or not Hip Hop is in the way you dress, its part of the way you talk,its how you wear your hair, if your black and somewhere in your 0s to 40s hip hop is in you. If you think when white people hear Hip Hop or see an artist that they don’t associate it with you, then you must be ignorant of your surroundings. You have a right to distance yourself from it if thats your preference but don’t dispute the fact that it is influential or write off the idea that it is IMPORTANT. At some point hip hop resolved new york city street disputes, and provided a channel to the social ills of our community, I would even say it did so effectively UNTIL SOULJABOY TELL’EM dropped, shortly thereafter the floodgates were open and rappers(not artists) would be exploited as Marketing tools for the mans RINGTONE sales. Since then it has been used to make money for labels through black artists at the expense of their community. Between the church and Hip Hop white people are essentially in control of OUR SELF IMAGE. If you think, think about it..maybe Face has a point.

    • Smoke Peacefully

      The only people in control of my self image is me, you can listen to whatever you want to listen to that doesnt mean you have clothe yourself in that image. You cant blame Souljaboy Tell’em this young man was smart enough to market himself and better his situation, thats black entrepreneurship. I know alot of people who dont like hiphop and dont go to church but they still are a big part of black culture. Im 30 and I dont wear what people in hiphop wear, I dont talk with no hiphop slang, I wear a regular fad, I dress like a black business man should and talk like a black business man should. Hiphop is an image you dont hear people complaining about country music, pop music, or any other genre of music because people dont live to be country, rock, or pop like how ignorant black folk try to be hiphop. If people will see hiphop as a form of entertainment which is exactly what it is than alot of you young black people can develop your OWN IMAGE and stop being copycats.

      • THEINFAMOUSDOT

        Your choices as in individual does not change the cultural implications of societies product sir. you “dont talk with no hiphop slang” but what would u call that? why are you on allhiphop? What black person do you know who is BIG in black culture that is neither christian or hip hop? name names please. I dont Blame SouljaBoy for Hip hop being wack, he himself is wack, and he is the catalyst to a lot of todays bad Rap. Id hardly call him an entrepreneur, he’s a young man who started a dance craze, the black macarena. excusing Soulja Boys bad music because he’s black and making money is precisely how hip hop wound up in this situation. As far as Country and pop music…they do not have any influence on the minds and hearts of black people, equating those wit Hip Hop is suggesting that the playing field is level for both the fans and the artists who support those genres. If you believe that after 200 yrs of slavery, 100 yrs of jim Crow 50 years of “freedom” 30 years of hip hop and 10 years of affirmative action that the black image is in our control because a few brothers are getting money you are sadly mistaken. If you think that what goes on in Hip Hop doesnt affect you because ur A “black businessman” then you simply don’t know white people, or You carry yourself like a token.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Micheal Jordan, Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, Montell, Judge Mathis, Ronald McNair, Jackie Robinson, Tiger Woods, etc. I could go on for days and name successful black people who are not christian or hiphop. I dont know how a man that owns his own businesses is not called an entrepreneur, as far as country music and pop they dont influence the minds of none of the people that like that music, you know why… BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ENJOY COUNTRY AND POP KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ENTERTAINMENT AND REALITY… Its a shame that after 200 yrs of slavery, 100 yrs of Jim Crow, and only 30 yrs of rap. a whole generation no longer has that black pride, they want to now be HIPHOP. Martin Luther King Jr, died for you kids to run around copying entertainers and calling yourself an artform. I AM HIPHOP. Yea I know who the token is and Im far from it.

      • THEINFAMOUSDOT

        Outside of maybe Bill cosby..none of those people give one shit about black people Nor do they use their influence to do anything, they are just black and rich. As entrepreneurs the majority of those people don’t even have a business to speak of, rather they are a PRODUCT and are being paid as they are what is being sold, Michael Jordan for example, is a basketball player whos name and image ENDORSEMENT of PRODUCTS for NIKE made him millions. Country Music fans identify with that music because it speaks to their reality, to a mid american or southern white Country music is what Hip Hop is to a black person, however hip hop is no longer speaking to reality AS A RESULT of what scar face is talking about. People who listen to punk rock dress like it correct? People are influenced by music, period. If you had any “black pride” you would be upset about whats happening to hip hop because we DID create it and some of us DID get rich with it, you would want to counter act the very effects that face mentioned, not discredit him because you want to see your people do better. You wouldnt talk down about how free a thinker you are. get off your high horse, your definitely a token, or you look down on the whole generation, which means you cant relate, and ultimately, your a token…you certainly aren’t an activist.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        So you are telling me you can go to the mall and see a person and tell if he listens to country, punk rock, christian, R&B, rap, or urban music by the way they dressed? My grandmother listen to country music and thats not her reality she just likes it, my brother is black went to private schools his whole life and likes soft rock, thats not his reality he just like the music, my boss loves going to the opera I know its not his reality but for some reason he like the music. Music is a form of entertainment and if it can be used to educate so be it if not take it for what it is ENTERTAINMENT. Scarface has alot of music that is not educational or uplifting for the community, he didnt want some of his lyrics to be a reality to the community, but he wanted people to hear it and be entertained.. He is an entertainer and has gotten paid to make music to entertain his fans. Im neither an activist or a token, Im an individual that is trying to do all I can to better me, my family, and my community.

      • Troll_E_G

        You missing the point, music or entertainment period influence people one way or another from clothing to language. If you and your family made it threw life without being influenced by something you saw or heard…..then you my friend are a Damn LIE. Influence can be positive or negative, pick your vice but one cant deny the facts.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        I was influenced by Elder Lockett, Marcus Garvey, Martin Luther King Jr, Malcolm X, Ghandi, my dad, Mr. Kirk Gill, Coach Johnson, and plenty others I can’t think of right now, but definitly not hiphop nor any actor or music artist. I enjoy listening to music of all kinds but I will not nor will I allow my family to let an art form influence us, unless it is gearing my kids toward earning them a profit other than that hell no I dont want my kids to be HIPHOP.

      • Troll_E_G

        Point is everything is influential but your comment lost integrity when you mentioned that racist Ghandi. …Put it to you like this music is played at church and funerals and its because its influential, and evokes reaction/ emotion but you know this already…….I bet you played music to have relations with a young lady or man, and you did I because it would influence the mood… Like I said entertainment period influences but music is soundtrack to life, help even your has a. Beat……..also its not just hip-hop but music as whole was created by blacks and shapes the world good or bad…….now the article is about q culture as a whole not individual experience and as a whole black America looks a mess because white/Jews control the perception

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Micheal Jordan, Jackie Robinson, Oprah and others have done alot more for black people than you and your whole family together come on man get real. I see hiphop and hiphop artists are now getting the same recognition that every artist from every other genre of music have gotten all these yrs, hell I see hiphop has even made a black billionaire couple, why would I get upset that hiphop is prospering. It seem the only people upset are the ones that cant get heard.

      • THEINFAMOUSDOT

        Hip hop is not about capitalism, at some point it was ANTI establishment…u are defining how it is feeding the establishment. INDIVIDUALS are profiting from hip hop at the expense of the dignity of the black community. Hip Hop artists get recognized for hip hop awards, that is it. Most hip hop artists of the golden era have the same influences as you (malcom martin ect) because they were figures of the time when they grew up. Most of those influences were destroyed by the FBI. As far as being able to tell what kind of music people like by looking at them, for a good chunk of the population YES YOU CAN TELL BY LOOKING AT THEM, you might not know everything they like, but you can probably tell what they like more. Music is entertainment but you and I can agree that we don’t find the coonery entertaining correct? What do you suggest? Like i said before besides Jackie Robinson those other people are just rich and black they dont help, they dont speak, they motivate others to become wealthy and covetous just like them, they dont hold rallies, or even have political opinions, maybe a charity here or there but im sure u know how disingenuous that is. If the only point you have is about how people are using hip hop to make money, or that its ok because people have money, then i suppose all you value, is money. If you dont know the importance to the black spirit of hip hop then all your points make sense and we need not talk any more. If you dont see other black people as a reflection of yourself then what do you see? If you dont think that your kids will be labeled Hip hop by everyone else before they ever open there mouth, regardless of how articulant they are, then I dont believe that you have ever faced prejudice before. All you have done is embrace captivity.

      • Two_guns_Billy

        Tiger Woods?lol

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Tiger Woods is not Christian and he is definitly not hiphop. Billy put your water guns down and try reading. Reading is fundamental try it, it works.

      • thuglifefukdapolice

        500 years not 200 all the ppl u named were house nicaas n tiger is not bllk hip hop made it cool for obama not dr king n fuk dr king he was a house nicca too now malcom x n. The black panthers is my history

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Ok you big, dumb, field niqqer thats why them house niqqers made history for blacks, while your big field niqqer ass worshipping hiphop. Martin Luther King Jr did way more for black folk than black panthers, that type of field niqqer stuff they were on never would have helped blacks, if anything them field niqqers are part of the reason for drugs and violence in our communities now.

      • Two_guns_Billy

        Dude white ppl that listen to country do dress country..They wear the hats and other country shit.Just because you wear a suit and don’t talk slain you are still a ni66er..Just because you try hard to be different doesnt mean you will be accepted.Your old ass grandma is a country music loving ni66er…Thats all they will ever see as long as she’s black…

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Yea I stayed in Atlanta and everywhere I went I saw country music loving, white people walking around in cowboy boots with ten gallon hats on…. GTFOH they listen to they music and still dress casual.. While I guarantee I can go to the mall and know who listen to hiphop, pants or skinny jeans hanging off they ass, and hat to the side, you see that everyday. Thats HIPHOP for you.. My grandma dont want to be white and she has been called ni66er by worst than a lame on allhiphop you can believe that. Billy I guess since you are white it make you feel good sitting behind your keyboard calling blacks ni66er.If you are black quit trying to be white you are still a young, stupid, ni66er to them and thats all you will ever be.

    • Pierre Elliott

      I really havent had a reason to comment on not too many things as of late on this site because its been bullishlt.

      SIMPLE AND PLAIN IT IS THIS AND THE CONVERSATION IS OVER

      1. Hip Hop – Fell off in NY because like PAC said: You cant keep screaming
      “Im from NY Im from NY” because 90% of America doesnt live that reality.

      2. Hip Hop on a whole as of 1992 was ALL put under scrutiny by the U.S. Govt.
      It was studied, and as a whole feared because of the alpha wave brain patterns
      it amplified.

      3. In order for the to GAIN CONTROL of Hip Hop not RAP music, THEY NEEDED
      an IN–Hence people such as PUFFY and SUGE.
      They added an as NOT YET but UNWANTED attitude of CAPITALISM and
      Object worshipping.

      4. Destroy ALL the BLACK & Hispanic or Minority friendly Music Labels.
      Malac0. ZAKIA. POPART TUFFCITY Luke Skyywalker. NIA. Fever.
      Sleeping Bag / FRESH Records. Select Records, Warlock. Urban Rock.
      Fantasy. Prelude. Next Plateau.

      These Labels were CRUCIAL in helping Hip Hop and urban music come with
      NEW styles. THE STYLES THE MAJORS COULDNT CONTROL OR BEAT.

      5. MC HAMMER IS BUT A FOOT NOTE OF WHAT HAPPENED.

      6. TAKING BET OVER AND PLAYING Notorious BIG Single Juicy
      AND SAYING ITS OLD SCHOOL.. WHEN ITS NOT.

      7. THERES RAP MUSIC AND THERES HIP HOP.
      WHITE PEOPLE TOOK OVER RAP MUSIC..

      8. QUESTLOVE OF THE ROOTS IS NOT THE AMBASSADOR OF HIP HOP
      ITS WHAT THE ESTABLISHMENT IS PUSHING…

      9. REAL HIP HOP WILL COME BACK VERY VERY SOON..

      INSANE RELICK <===SOON TO BE KNOWN UNKNOWN LOOK HIM UP IM SERIOUS

      • Pierre Elliott

        AND TO THE SO CALLED BLACK BIZ MAN… YOURE A JOKE.
        I GREW UP IN AN ALL WHITE TOWN AS A KID AND LATER MOVED TO NY AS A YOUNG ADULT.. I GREW UP LISTENING TO THE EAGLES AND REO SPEEDWAGON, LINDA RONSTANDT CRYSTAL GAYLE, GEORGE JONES..
        AS WELL AS EARTH WIND & FIRE… SOME CALLED ME AN OREO BECAUSE I TALKED ” WHITE” AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

        YOURE AN IDIOT. WHERE DID YOU GROW UP AT?
        YOU SOUND LIKE A BLACK PERSON WHO IS ASHAMED OF THIER BLACKNESS

      • thuglifefukdapolice

        Wtf u talking about hip hop died cuz niccas rappin about bullshyt on every coast even in nyc. Cats might be lyrical but they are lyrical abbout. Bullshyt and nyc is the richest city in this country you u right 90% dont he live that

  • this is too true

  • DJ7

    Face dropping BOMBS

  • LoL@ScarFace… Bum ass mo fo, your broke ass sound like a disgruntled 2003 Benzino, WHININ’ and CRYIN’ about Mr. Mathers… Black people need to look in the mirror… WHITE people are “better” at rapping/writing than most black emcee’s because they HAVE TO BE… Whites(ME ME ME) have always had a DEEPER appreciation for hip hop than most blacks because we HAVE TO… Black guys go, “Yo, I’m black that AUTOMATICALLY makes me dope, I’m black…”…. WHITE guys on the other hand KNOW we come in at a disadvantage and are called “Culture Vultures”, so we try that much harder… I am a white male 30yrs old, and i know more about Hip Hop’s beginnings and history than all the black people i know combined… Why do you think Em came out as the illest…??? A G A I N – He HAD to be… So all you whiny ass blacks saying we stole your culture can kiss my ass, we didn’t “steal” your culture, some of us ADORE your culture and still nurture it… Hip Hop was started by blacks, and we don’t forget that… Wanna talk “destroying YOUR culture”??? Waka Flocka, Soulja Boy, A$AP Rocky(Who bit a REALLY dope white emcee’s name called Aesop Rock, but none of you BLACK heads knows that – so much for you all knowing ALL Hip Hop), Gunplay, Ricky “cop” Ross, etc… There are SOOOOOO many black emcee’s that are COMPLETELY destroying Hip Hop’s essence and core values, all the while a ton of white emcee’s are saving it by the minute(Apathy, Vinnie Paz, Slug, Eyedea(RIP), Brother Ali etc)… You wanna hear Hip Hop in it’s purest form PERIOD??? Cop that new Demigodz album “KILLmatic”… Treat your ears to true lyricism and take a break from that radio bubblegum bullshit you feed yourselves constantly…

    • Heart of a Slave, Blood of a k

      You have been listening to primarily white artists so you think those are the top tier lyricists. Jay Electronica would kill anyone of them and to a lesser degree, Slaughterhouse and Fabulous punch lines and word play would body any of the guys on your list. While youre talking about Em, he hasnt been dope since the Marshall Mathers LP and I havent paid attention to him since Rawkus record. Get off your high horse, youre not the only student of the game. There is a passion and a sincerity behind the words that an Action Bronson cant get across. They can only come from really experiencing the elements that bred this culture. When Ghost talks about roaches in the cereal or Beans talks about heating the home with the oven, these are shared experiences. Hip Hop is about shared experiences and started because our music was marginalized. Now that it has become lucrative, every bottom feeder has jumped on and leeched the life out of it. Since these contemptuous bottom feeders have the same attitude as you and believe that nothing profound couldnt possibly come out of the minds of Blacks, they put Gucci albums out because he represents the caricature of blackness that exists in their mind. Everything Scarface said was true and if you were really the expert you thought you were, you would know this. If a real artist were to run a real record label and put out real hip hop, he would be bought out or shun in the industry. That is the conspiracy portion of it. So for diversity in music, we have to go to 80’s and 90’s hip hop when Lyor, Jimmy Iovine and Jerry Heller were the only bottom feeders and there was still artistry in the craft.

    • n n

      You need to go listen to masta ace then rethink the stupidity you just typed .smh

    • n n

      Matter fact listen to the last track on long hot summer by masta ace then think about the stupidity you just typed.lol

    • OffBreed

      You wrote a whole essay without even catching what Face was saying. I bet all you heard was white and started to catch feelings. People be killin me with that, oh he’s just a hater or the old cliche’ of, he’s just old and washed up) whenever a OG is kicking game. If you took the time to listen to what he was saying instead of being bitch made and catching feelings, then you would’ve realized that what he was saying is the truth. Not trying to stereotype, but it’s rare that I hear a white person playing any hip hop that’s lyrical or has substance…they’re always playing whatever the radio plays which is that dumbed down bullshit trying to look cool.

      • Corelli

        Maybe he cant read too well.

    • ONE

      I dont have anything intelligent to say but ill say something anyway. All I got from reading your post is ” im a bitch, bitch, bitch, blah blah, im a bitch bitch bitch wan wan” SMH. I dont usually tell people to kill themselves but bitch ………….

    • Are you stupid? The average hood has tons of dope MCs who just rap to rap and be dope as hell.there are not white burbs/neighborhoods filled w/ good rappers..I guess white ppl play Bball better too.Stop it.there are many things I will give white ppl credit for but anything dealing w/ rhythm ain’t one.Em is dope but Em is Em, not all whites and his background is nothing like most white ppl because he was in Detroit which is one of the blackest places ever.And scarface is a legend and dope MC you sound dumb talking about him like he’s a bum when he been in the game forever and been a beast on the mic.You wouldn’t call The Rolling Stones old bums if they spoke out about music. This is what he’s talking.This is the white attitude.yall think yall better because you all have the power here.You basically explained why he said what he said.That’s white execs signing these wack groups for money to support and promote stereotypes.Those companies could promote other shit.

    • DJ7

      you sound mad foolish

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  • Banksy

    finally some body with credibility has the nuts to speak on this. Salute to my nigga Face

  • plsDontreply

    Hip hop ended when Dr. Dre signed and co-signed Eminem… Sure Beastie boys, Large Professor, and Vanilla ice had their lanes but this was different. Used to be black culture, now its just exploited for whatever makes money. Sure all the Soulja Boys dont help but if you dont feel that, Eminem, to Asher Roth, to Mac Miller, to machine gun Kelly, to iggy Azaliea, kreayshawn, yelawolf presence then you blind as a bat. Its going white and it wont come back after that. The END

    • Smoke Peacefully

      Cant blame white folk for contributing to hiphop. Blame black artists who sat back and complained about hiphop being dead instead of getting in the studio and making quality hiphop music.

      • plsDontreply

        Its not contributing when you are not a part of the culture in the first place. Hip Hop has been swindled by non blacks for years and now non blacks are trying to claim it for themselves. Its a disgrace. It has been manipulated by radio stations and magazines for larger audiences when the main focus and birth of hip hop was the voice of the Urban area plain and simple.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        You dont hear white folk complaining how black people stole basketball from them, blacks were not part of that culture now they dominate it. Get over it move on and take hiphop for what it is an artform for entertainment.

      • Corelli

        You stupid for that one.

    • THEINFAMOUSDOT

      Eminem was 10 years before any of the rest of them, and he did good things for hip hop because of his inspiring lyricism, he also came at all of popular culture and the presidents politics whenever it was appropriate, as well as battle with other MCs. Em is truly hip hop, the rest of them I can agree with you, they are just white kids essentially capitalizing of of what they have learned from worldstar.

    • TheProfessorsHotSauce

      Em did his thing man, he’s not to blame. He is probably the only white rapper to date that has deserved the sales he got. Why 350,000 dumbasses bought Mac Miller’s album I’ll never understand. You gotta look at the consumer and what the radio plays. It’s hard to be a hip-hop artist that makes good music and get recognition in 2013.

    • Black Cesar

      Large Professor is not white.

  • John Blaze

    Speaking of this, Face also said, “I think that anything goes in Hip Hop these days. I blame everybody who came before right now, including myself, for the conditions of what it is. I think the people that came before me taught me and if I couldn’t reach nobody else, then I didn’t do my job. I should’ve been a little better about the way that I laid my blueprint down. So I have nobody to blame but myself for the conditions of Hip Hop today.” <<<<< The Most Ignored Gem In this Interview.

    • Corelli

      I wish everybody could accept accountability like that and take steps to better themselves.

  • ZUBU

    Of course the corporate power-mongers control and influence what is recorded, marketed, played on the radio, allowed to be in heavy rotation on radio as well as video. Reasons why a lame ass, fake ass black barbie like Niki Minage can blow up but a lyrical rapper like Jean Grae gets no play. The power-mongers want to have us listen to dummy music that harms our minds as well as our communities. As others have stated it’s a lot easier to replace a no talent person like Soulja Boy then to deal with the honesty of a Nas, KRS-1, etc. Having said that mass media (print news, television news, radio, essentially all facets) in general is dominated/controlled by a small segment of our populace. They just want to rape us fiscally; keep us deaf, dumb and blind; keep us shucking and jiving; they want our eye off the prize. As many have said before: “The most feared thing is an educated Black Man.”

    • Smoke Peacefully

      Sorry but the songs soulja boy got put on the radio were just better songs to listen to than Nas or Krs, the same can be said about Minaj her music sound better than Jean Grae thats why they can make it to the radio. You cant blame the radio because some rappers are smart enough to make music thats going to appeal to the public, if you want to hear your favorite rappers make the radio they need to make radio friendly music.. KRS and Nas used to know how to make positive music for the radio now they just make weak music with strong lyrics, they need better music to make the radio.

      • ZUBU

        You have to be kidding in relation to Soulja or Minaj having better songs than the aforementioned artists. Bro please, much like yourself I’m black well educated, a small business owner, I don’t wear so-called hip hop garb, but unlike yourself my brother I don’t condone brothas and sistas making a mockery of our genre so they can make a lil’ bit of money and make the power-mongers a heap of money all while projecting negative imagery to the young black masses. Essentially this is a modern day form of being a house ni$$a, you eating better than the field ni$$a but you still a slave to the power-mongers, not you personally my brotha, but the sell outs who will do anything to make a buck. They will screw their heritage, culture, etc. to make a buck. Money ain’t the root of all evil, it’s the love of money that is the root of all evil!

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Good music is good music I can rock to old Krs and old Nas but now I cant music just is not good. The lyrics are good but the music is wack, artists like Soulja and Minaj music is good, but lyrics are wack. I dont think they are making a mockery of anything, broke hiphop artists trying to compete in the music industry is a mockery, hiphop artists fighting at award shows, interrupting people nationally while they are performing and recieving awards thats mockery. Hiphop artists disrespecting the POTUS while during his inauguration thats mockery, hiphop artists getting arrested thats mockery, but hiphop artists smart enough to make a profit off of their music is far from being a mockery to me. We are not in slavery anymore keep on with that field nigga, house nigga mentality and you will continue to be owned, stuck in slavery. Most hiphop fans need to quit worrying about the music these artists are getting paid to put out and start trying to figure out how they can generate their own money to save their communities. If you havent notice successful artists like Scarface, and others no longer live in these urban communities and do little if anything to give back after they make it.

      • OffBreed

        I don’t think you get it. No one here is blaming the artist…. because 9 times out of 10 the artist is a black man from a low-income community trying to make it out…so I can’t knock him. This discussion had nothing to do with the artist, it was more about the people in the higher positions that call the shots. People knocked Soulja Boy for making money, instead they should focus on the people who’s actually supporting that bullshit. I don’t know what you were trying to get at with that house nigga vs the field nigga talk.This has more to do with letting something that we created get taken and turned into the mockery that it is now. It’s bigger than hip hop (that’s a Dead Prez song for you’ll that don’t know), it’s about us as blacks needing to begin owning some of these distribution companies and record labels so that we have the last say so in our music…not some old white dude who’s not in touch with us or our lifestyle. Hip hop was this one outlet that we created to dialogue with each other in a street lingo that only fellow people of the same mind frame understood. Now the lyrics are so dumbed down that you no longer have to be a hip hop head to understand what’s being said…and now anyone can become a rapper with the right backing. This country is built on whoever has the money has the power, and we all know who has the money therefore they have the power and call the shots. So until we put ourselves in some of these higher positions, it’s going to stay th same or even get worst. One thing I do agree with you on is that we need to start focusing more on our communities, and figure out a way to better our situation.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        I like that and I agree with you. I was speaking about the artists before because some people were bashing the artists and their music. The slave talk was in response to somebody else who bought it up.

  • cannaski

    I believe what Face is saying to a certain extent. I believe that white people are putting out records that cater to ignorance and violence. The radio execs play the same retarded ass song 10 times a day. They display a culture of complete self-hatred. They give multi-million dollar deals to almost complete idiots. The execs are a part of the problem but the blame cannot fully be put on them.
    Rappers need to realize that they don’t need the execs. By learning the business and perfecting your craft, you become something more than a rapper. BY dealing with people you trust, by making your own money doing your own shows, you cut out the old white man. What I don’t like about what Face is saying is he putting the blame all on them. we live in an age where we can listen to music on many different platforms. No more hearing the same songs on the radio anymore, I got my ipod. There are a lot of rappers that are entrepreneurs and run they own label make they own money. Those are the rappers that up and coming rappers should be following. A lot of them have something that is distant from today’s rappers. it’s called “Longevity”.

  • Guest

    Incredible interview. What a legend.

  • God gave you ne-ger-o’s a voice, but you gave it back! Face has always been number one on my top five. 1) Face 2) Tech N9ne 3} Nas 4) Twista 5) Crooked I What Face is saying is very valid, you shouldn’t take what he’s saying lightly. Hip-Hop was once a voice for a race of people who otherwise didn’t have one! Chuck D, Ghetto Boys, KRS One, Ice-T, Ice Cube, Even Pac, they all had something to say, thought provoking messages, now it’s just like Face said, black rappers getting paid big bux to mack black people look like baffoons. There’s are still issue’s in the black community that are not being addressed! Our voice has been taken away…

  • TimeWillTellu1

    Right ON!

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  • SkrSteez

    Scarface is a Legend this reminds me to go put some Scarface on my iPod.The old white men and Industry doesn’t care bout the culture only dollars, True. I’ve been readin some of these comments with ppl reppin what they listen to and debating if they are worthy of being a true hip hop head. I’m white and a skateboarder i grew up in Sydney Australia watching skate videos from Philly with black and white skaters to hip hop music. By 15 we were getting deep,my closest mates and I would skate and Graff the streets, Abandoned buildings or factories and avoid gettin rolled while in sketchy spots. Then we go back to my place smoke bongs all night and listen and exchange dope hip hop music that we had dug up, as well as every documentary hood movie or concerts we could get. We had VHS tapes 3 hours long wit old 90s clips recorded from tv in the middle of the night. The older Boys showed us what was up and we took it from there. At 15 we wouldn’t have known NY was East and LA was west but 12 years later I am a true hip hop Junkie and have been to over 46 live shows. My mate and I still search out and share new artists everyday. Last year I went to New York Bymyself I went to the Bronx to see where the culture was originated all while KRS ONE is in my ears, I did it all skated LES went up to Harlem wit Immortal Technique and Big L bangin. Doin 360 flips in the Bronx at midnight after a Yankees game wit kids sayin I’m saucy and he deserves a dollar. Then for the Ender put myself up at a holiday inn wit weed and a bong in my room smoked up and went 2 days of Rock The Bells and Bone Thugs were stayin at my spot too soo that was dope to come back and kick it out front wit Flesh n Lazy. I remember Chris from Canada passin around a spliff and sum Bundy and told Flesh I had come from Australia solo Flesh tripped out that i would go that far. Chris said “Its Hip Hop man It’s universal it brings us together” Flesh smiled and just said “It does doesn’t it”.

  • atlantahiphopshop

    All these black artists like Jay and Beyonce who constantly flaunt their wealth needs to invest in their community and start labels that can grow to become the “major” distributor. Jay-Z even works for the labels, and we think he is doing it up LMAO>Blacks need to own more radio and media outlets. We need to stop “coming under” these so-called companies. Invest in our own culture. When black rappers get rich, they spend their money on cars and jewelry and the records tell you its OK to live and die for a Bugatti. The jews are cheap. They invest and own a lot of stuff and only care about their money and their culture. We must invest in ourselves obviously. EVERYTHING comes down to money these days because everyone is so materialistic and greedy. Blacks have a problem with spending money and not investing it. How many clothes lines, Vodka products, and barbershops are we going have? The only execs. that will ever care how blacks are viewed are conscious black executives, as you see from some of the comments.

    • Smoke Peacefully

      I think by owning clothes lines, Vodka products, and babershops are forms of investments.

      • atlantahiphopshop

        Investments that have nothing to do with what got them the money in the first place. How did they become Vodka experts again?

      • THEINFAMOUSDOT

        Barbershops Liquor(or liquor stores) and clothing lines are all good ways to get money OUT of your community, essentially EXPLOITING their need or vices. Investing in the community would be running the distribution of your Vodka(which is still poison) or Clothing out of your neighborhood as a means of putting money/jobs/ industry in it.

      • atlantahiphopshop

        I agree w/ you. Tell that to the Smoke Peacefully guy. Youre saying what Im saying.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        So just continue to let the white folk and Koreans get all the money out of every community(black and white), while black people like yourself continue to sit back and complain, while you go buy the Korean hair and let them do your feet and nails, go to their liquor stores, and buy their hiphop clothes and then get mad at the black man when they do it. Yea that makes alot of sense.

      • Corelli

        You right black people always support others and put down other blacks when they get successful. Now thats seems to be what HIPHOP is all about.

      • kristin

        Untrue. Blacks dont support blacks with or without money. Based on the comments, we have a self hate problem that may have come from oppression, Im not sure. I think we need a better image to look up to. THAT is what Scarface is saying! The images of monkeys dancing and cooning on movies and music is making US hate US!

      • Smoke Peacefully

        The only self hate is not admitting to the truth if you continue with that self hate you will only continue to be a crutch to the failures in the black community.

      • THEINFAMOUSDOT

        i believe we were talking about INVESTING in the community..i just gave the difference in building the community and making money off of it. I believe that awareness of the evils will cause people to wake up and enlighten themselves, not complain, do better. Its not about making money and its too big to be written off as entertainment.

      • kristin

        Look Uncle Ruckus, IF You are black, You hate yourself. You hate your own culture. If you are white, you are a racist. You obviously are not on the level of understanding what the affects of programming and promotion has done to the culture, Or you are insensitive to the naive victims of vulture capitalism with a twist of racism. You think you are smarter than everyone but you really are just a soldier for something that is bigger than you, and you dont even know it. You are on the wrong side of right, black or white.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Ok Aunt Ester I am black and I love myself and my fellow brothers and sisters. There is nothing racist or hateful about telling the truth about the black community if I am wrong prove me wrong. Its not about black and white is all about GREEN just like it was back then it is the same today. Is it a lie that black people go to the Koreans and get their fake hair and their toes and nails done? Is it a lie that black people buy from the same caucasian owned liquor stores in their black communities? Is it not true that we as blacks will go to a store and spend 100s of dollars on apparel owned by the same rappers that many of you people on here are mad at for not running hiphop? Please tell me Aunt Ester were am I wrong at I never claimed to be smarter than anyone else just speaking the truth.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        They are not Vodka experts its called an investment. Everybody should be an expert in business, how else will you be able to make your own money. Keep working hard for these white folks and keep complaining about black folk who are smart enough to legally hustle their way out of poverty see where that will get you.

      • kristin

        Isnt that the point of the post? It said exactly that! Whats your real deal man? BLACKS are experts at music and all entertainment, why arent we running it?

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Ok once again I was responding to somebody else’s post you missed the whole point of the discussion we were having. Blacks are experts at music and some entertainment but are not experts in the business. The experts in business like Puffy, Jay-Z, Russell Simmons, Master P, J Prince, Baby, and others were smart enough to build their business up in hiphop and invest in other ventures to gain more profit, which is what it takes if you want to run anything.

  • Prode Noire Inc.

    Some books who should shut down some

    talkshit in this bitch :

    – the psychological covert war on hip-hop by professor griff
    – hip-hop versus maat by dr. jawanza kunjufu
    – It’s Bigger than hip-hop by Molefi Asante Jr.

    Some cats need to read

  • atlantahiphopshop

    “Hey Im a dope white rapper and everyone needs to accept that. Word to your muvva.”

    Vanilla Ice 1989

    “Call me Vanilla Ice again Ill kill you! That whole fake persona made me want to commit suicide.”

    Robert Van Winkle 2008

    • Smoke Peacefully

      It has really only been a handful, if that many,of white rappers who have successfully made it so you cant be mad at the white rapper.

      • kristin

        Whats your angle? Makes no relevance to the quote. I am not feeling your replies. You seem jealous or envious.

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Obviously you are reading my replies and not comprehending here in this reply I was just answering the sarcastic post left. What’s your angle you could not comprehend that?

  • Reblogged this on Opulent Living Off Top.

  • Its no conspiracy or mystery. The fact is that the culture was born in the streets and controlled in corporate America. One of the reasons why is because most artists fail at making the transition to business. Hip-Hop has no one to blame but themselves.

  • Mike Swiff

    I’m with Face however Hip Hop did it to itself; way too negative and they’ve made it flip into commercial air play however they day of being different in Hip Hop is dead due to all of these horrible Hip Hop stations across the country..play list is as long as your index finger, the radio doesn’t break out any new talent just the same 5 songs all fcukin day! look at what is poppin Sloppy ass Rick Ross an ex Correctional Officer turns THUG, LIL Ugly aka LIL Wayne caught with a loaded gun on his tour bus with weed went to jail, then another charge with the tour bus where drugs were found.. Bottom line we need more then southern base music and stupid, ignorant ass songs that breed RAPE, SEX, SELLING DRUGS, KILLING (J COLE’S NEW VIDEO and OTHERS) STUPID BEEFS ABOUT NOTHING! what happen to creativity and lyrical content? The southern hip hop artist sounds like $hit with garbage metaphors artist like 2 CHAINZ and TRINIDAD JAMES..(and hip hop says these idiots are good rappers?) When hip hop was HIP HOP during the Biggie, Wu Tang Clan, Tupac, Rakim even a Tribe Called Quest era the songs on the raido now including artis like Kanye would not be palyed becasue they would’ve come across commercial and soft, now soft is hard and all of the above…I still stick to the slogan that “Hip Hop is GAY!” (period)

    • Smoke Peacefully

      Yea I guess artists like Biz Markie, Fat Boys, Beastie Boys, Fresh Prince, and a host of other wack artists that was from NY during that time were lyrical too huh? Maybe if your NY and west coast artists quit running down south jumping on the south bandwagon they could come up with their own unique sound again instead of stealing the south’s swag. Say what you want about the south they know how to make a profit off of the music and be heard. They could care less about what Scarface has to say or anybody else those artists stay on the grind whether they are wack or not and can make hit music accepted by every genre of person.

  • youngplaya

    When Niccaz gone stop blaming other people for their problems? That’s the only problem I see in the black community. As soon as niccaz stop the crying and blaming and get the hell on about they life and making the right decisions, the rest of these niccaz that’s falling behind can move forward. Poor education, multiple kids with different women, equals poverty. Do for self nicca. Every other culutre can listen to rap and enjoy it for what it is….ENTERTAINMENT………..ENTERTAINMENT……………ENTERTAINMENT…

    • DJ7

      yeah, you mos def young…playa…

  • kristin

    Based on the comments, we have a self hate problem that may have come from oppression, Im not sure. I think we need a better image to look up to. THAT is what Scarface is saying! The images of monkeys dancing and cooning on movies and music for decades is making US hate US! We embrace the negative images of ourselves, why? Were we born that way? NO. We were programmed that way. Do you understand that? If not, you are on one side, If you do, you are on the other side, period. What good does it do to come on here and say, “blacks are stupid for pointing out racism or blacks dont do anything right, OR blacks hate other blacks who are more successful”? If blacks are going to attack blacks, white people don’t have to change anything. We can’t even come together to get rid of racism correctly, this is a shame. We got educated business black men looking down on less educated victims of society, this sh!t needs to stop! Focus on the culture and leave your self hate out of it. BTW,**********Some of these so called “black” bloggers are white boys posing as black people, just like in music.

    • Smoke Peacefully

      Dont get mad at the truth us, or most blacks dont and wont stick together and they hate on each other’s success once we embrace this problem we can start trying to fix it. Just look at the majoritiy of BLACK hiphop artists and alot of BLACK R&B artists always spewing hate against the next artists.

    • Smoke Peacefully

      If anybody has any hate its you, you proved my point you said it yourself you dont like me, why because Im posting an opinion? Keep hating while I keep succeeding. LOSER. We know you wont be the one to help the black community you are too full of ignorance and hate. Its people like you who do not contribute to society at all.

      • timwest1000

        You seem hurt son. they got all up in your mind and picked you apart. You seem mad @ the comment if anything. seems like it must be true. must hurt anytime you are accusing someone you do not know of not doing anything. got you hurling insults everywhere. lol face it, you got son’ed

      • Smoke Peacefully

        Excuse me but noone was talking to you, you are not even in this conversation that we were having, anyway since you got so much to say when I made this post this morning I was just responding to the insults that was hurled at me at the bottom of this page. Maybe you should read all the comments me and feeliana have before you respond with your ignorance. Thanks. Next time can keep your $.02 to yourself when grown people are talking and use correct grammar.

      • timwest1000

        You look stupid. thats all im saying

      • Smoke Peacefully

        You look even more stupid with your grammar. Capital letters after periods is something you should have learned in elementary school.

  • Montezuma1

    Face is right and wrong. The people who control rap are not just white and Jewish but gay as well and rap has become a tool to advance their agenda. The problem with his argument is his era was used to promote a very narrow aspect of blackness so really his beef is his particular brand of brainwashing/blackness is no longer en vogue. Pac, Face and a lot of others made music I enjoyed but what they did was not an accurate depiction of the total black experience and it was pushed as that and perception got closer to reality in the name of sales deposited in the same accounts of the people he’s railing against. To be blunt the old “hoes” are jealous of the new “hoes” but it was always PIMPING. Rap is not and has not been black culture ever since it’s commercialization so playing the race card is non applicable. There are more white consumers with more disposable income and that’s what dictates the content. The bottom line. Didn’t you ni99as know starting with Run DMC’s foray into rock rap or PE or Beastie Boys that Pandora’s Box was opened? All your co-signs of Eminem and sucking up to Justin Bieber helped facilitate just what’s happening. Dumb ni99as helped orchestrate their own irrelevancy. I agree with Face but what he and the others have to recognize and atone for is their own contribution to the ongoing debacle. Don’t wait until it’s over to speak your piece, say it when you have something to loose. That I respect.

    • DJ7

      well said….^5

  • PL

    I remember back in the day y’all couldn’t stand this shit
    When white muthafuckas tried to ban this shit
    Now the same muthafuckas got they hand in this
    Claimin’ Hip Hop like they fuckin’ planned it
    I don’t understand it. Every since Em got signed
    Every white boy in the world thinkin’ that he can rhyme
    But nahh I ain’t buyin’ it…time to quit tryin’ kid
    You think you nice? Uh uh they lyin’ kid
    Ask a white “Who’s real nice?” They’ll say Em
    I know niggas on the block who spit better than him
    Another 50 locked down that spit better than them
    And don’t forget William Griffin aka Rakim

    Probably get banned for the shit that I say
    But understand I’m just a brother from around the way
    Sayin’ exactly what the radio is afraid to play
    On the State of the World today

    I wish whites could be black for one day
    Wear my shoes, eat my food, lay they head where I lay
    Probably share my views on the things that I say
    On the State of the World today…

    -PL
    2001

    • Bumpy Johnson

      who this…if its u im tryna hear it….link me

    • AfricanSoul

      Right on! Kept it real about Eminem too..finally, someone with some sense.

    • At the same time there are also dope white spitters who get slept on by Mainstream too, like RA the Rugged Man, Apathy, Copywrite.

      Blame wack guys like lil wayne, because when I see all these terrible new white rappers, I can see how they try to act just like him. If they were inspired by Eminem then at least they’d be good lol. Right now there’s some kinda red neck hill billy phase the mainstream is going through, look at guys like Riff Raff, Iggy Azaela, Machine Gun Kelly, Yelawolf. Look at their videos and the way they dress and rap, they all act the same. All their videos are shot in some country red neck setting with a bunch of red necks around them its fuckin stupid. There must be a million skinny white rappers with long hair and grills now. But then again 90’s and 2000’s had its own corny trends in videos. These new white guys are just a product of the corny rappers from the 2000’s like lil wayne, lil jon, paul wall etc

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  • Harrison Boateng

    And if I cried two tears for her…

  • ccwaterbound32

    face said that because it’s the truth! also there was a conspiracy to infiltrate the culture learn all the elements to it and to find a way to bring it down. nas was right all those years ago! plus em didn’t destroy the culture single handedly people like vanillia ice,mc serch, and the bling bling era all had a hand into the downfall of the culture. hip hop has lost it’s way there is no current mainstream artist who is putting it down and telling it like it is… i’ve said it once ill say it again… if hip hop is to survive we gotta support the underground!!! people like Big KRIT i tip my hat to because he don’t sound like nobody out now he has a message in his records and they all jam! the internet can change hip hop for the better we just got to utilize it more to get the word out! once that happens you’ll see a pattern with other rappers following suit…