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Diddy Case: “The Feds Picked Me Up Like I Was Testifying Against a Mafia Boss" - Sharay Hayes
Dec 3, 2025
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What's up? This is Sheree Punisher Hayes
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and I'm on all hip hop.
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What's going on everybody? It's your man
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Chuck Creekmer aka Jigsaw here at One
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World Studios with my man
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DJ Thorough aka Thor Xano Britz to the
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streets. Let's go.
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And we have a special guest here. His
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name is Sheree the Punisher Hayes. In
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search of freezer meat is his new book,
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Pause. pause on everywhere books are
0:30
found right now. Um, your what's your
0:33
website?
0:34
Oh, uh, freezemeed.com.
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Okay. And that's that's you heard. Okay.
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Pause.
0:43
We're going to talk about this book in a
0:45
little bit. But you know, Shereé as one
0:49
of the prosecutions witnesses in the
0:52
Shawn Diddy Cones case um here in New
0:56
York City and he was front and center.
0:59
So we first met uh at the courthouse
1:02
outside of the courthouse and I saw this
1:05
person being interviewed by all these
1:07
people and I didn't know who who who he
1:09
was and uh you were the center of
1:11
attention outside the courthouse for for
1:13
quite a bit. So, I want to ask you first
1:15
things first, how are you doing now that
1:18
the dust has settled a little bit?
1:21
Um, I think I'm good, man. Like, going
1:24
through everything, it was such a
1:25
whirlwind. So, you know, I it definitely
1:28
put me like in like a kind of a state of
1:30
depression I wasn't even aware of, you
1:32
know,
1:33
cuz it it it's deep to just be reported
1:37
to the whole world as a a male
1:39
prostitute. You know what I'm saying?
1:41
like regardless if stuff like that went
1:43
on or whatever, that's kind of
1:46
closed doors. So when you get put out
1:48
there, you just feel like damage
1:49
control, damage control, cuz
1:51
you want to represent yourself in the
1:53
facts the best way you can
1:55
and now that everything's over, it's
1:56
just like, all right, man, what now?
1:58
Like what do I
1:59
do? Because I for the rest of my life,
2:01
if you Google my name,
2:03
this is what you see.
2:04
So how do you salvage that in circles?
2:07
How you're really viewed? What limits
2:08
does it give you? what benefits does it
2:11
have? So, just trying to figure it out.
2:12
I saw people advocating for you though,
2:14
like cons, you know, advocating for sex
2:17
workers, not um destigmatizing it. Do
2:21
you do you feel as though that's real or
2:24
is there really still that same
2:26
Well, yeah. I mean, there's there's
2:28
always going to be people that advocate,
2:30
but you know, we live in a negative
2:31
world, right? So, the negative voices is
2:34
going to be heard way higher.
2:36
So, it's just how do you get around
2:38
that, right? So, and again, I'll be
2:40
honest, man. I don't know. Like, this is
2:42
like uncharted territory, you know? I'm
2:44
just trying to spin it. Obviously, I got
2:45
the book and then I'm trying to do my
2:47
own. Even before the trial, I was trying
2:49
to
2:49
shift into like a men's health kind of
2:53
positive vibe with with just doing
2:55
things on that level. So, the C I'm
2:58
still kicking tires on it.
2:59
Right. Um, for those of people that are
3:02
watching that may be completely naive or
3:04
ignorant to to the situation,
3:07
why did you take the stand? Were you
3:09
subpoenaed? Were you forced? Was it by
3:11
choice? Like, why did you do it?
3:13
Yeah. So, I I didn't I didn't let it get
3:15
to the point of being subpoenaed. Okay.
3:17
Cuz they kind of kept it under wraps
3:19
that they were going to use me in the
3:20
first place.
3:21
Okay.
3:22
But look, man, everybody watch those the
3:25
mobster movies and people talk about,
3:27
"Yo, the feds gone. I ain't saying
3:28
nothing or whatever, my man. When they
3:30
when they knock, it's different. You
3:32
know what I'm saying? It's different.
3:34
So, you just want to stay out of their
3:36
line of fire. So, what was told to me
3:38
when they started contacting me was,
3:40
"Yo,
3:41
don't give them a hard time. Just you
3:43
didn't you you didn't do anything
3:44
wrong." You know what I'm saying? You're
3:45
not
3:46
like at risk of going to jail or
3:48
whatever. So, just be honest and keep it
3:50
100. So, I was just trying to cooperate
3:51
because I didn't want to piss him off.
3:53
That's just being completely honest,
3:54
man. How did it feel being in front of
3:56
Diddy, looking d Well, I mean, being
4:01
looked at by Diddy, I should say, and
4:04
and others in the in the room because
4:06
typically those rooms have a lot of
4:08
different people. How How did you feel
4:10
being in that hot seat?
4:11
Yo, terrifying, man. Terrifying. And And
4:13
I I didn't There's no way I I thought
4:15
that was going to happen. Like, it
4:17
blindsided me like going going into
4:20
everything. Literally, I felt like I'm
4:22
good. Mhm.
4:22
And when I walked in the room, I was
4:24
shook. Like I was trembling.
4:26
Yeah. I I think they build those
4:28
courtrooms perfectly to uh purposely to
4:31
intimidate. It's it's not no Judge Judy.
4:34
Yeah.
4:34
Bro, it's this big
4:36
like overbearing like room. You could
4:39
feel the tension when you walk in there.
4:42
And then I know I'm walking in like as a
4:44
prosecution witness. So when I'm
4:46
walking, I'm walking past his family.
4:48
like you like I didn't I I avoided any
4:52
eye contact but you could feel the
4:54
the eyeballs.
4:55
Yeah, you could feel it and it was it
4:56
was intimidating. It was great.
4:57
Did you feel that your life would be at
4:59
risk for I guess cooperating for a lack
5:02
of better words with
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So So that's why I wanted to testify.
5:07
Um, that's why I wanted to get the
5:09
testimony over with because it it I
5:11
always knew that what I had to say may
5:14
be a little bit embarrassing, but it
5:16
wasn't something that,
5:18
okay,
5:18
was throwing them under the bus cuz I
5:20
just didn't see anything that they was
5:22
alleging, right? But I got a real close
5:25
friend that's like a retired FBI agent
5:27
and I asked him straight up, yo, could
5:29
this be a scenario where testifying you
5:32
in danger? And he was like, my man,
5:34
absolutely. You know, so I just wanted I
5:38
believe it or not, I felt safer and more
5:40
comfortable after I testified. But
5:43
leading up to it,
5:44
yeah, was shook, man. Especially when
5:46
the feds come get you like you,
5:48
dude. The way they was picking me up was
5:50
like two agents like like get in the car
5:53
like you know what I'm saying? Like like
5:54
a sniper was going to take me out, man.
5:56
It was like, yo, this is crazy.
5:58
Making sure nothing happens. True. They
6:01
got to protect their investment.
6:02
You're like a star witness. Yeah,
6:03
witnesses are investments to
6:04
Did you get any uh amenities like a
6:06
hotel? Like did they put you on a new
6:08
car?
6:08
No, man. N man, actually they treat you
6:11
like like trash, bro.
6:12
Really?
6:13
Yeah. Because everything is on their
6:15
time. So like if I'm testifying at on
6:19
this specific day, they may bring you in
6:21
the day before. They take your phone,
6:23
they just put you in a room, no TV, no
6:25
nothing, no whatever because they don't
6:26
want you to see anything. And you just
6:28
sitting in this room for hours, bro.
6:31
hours like in silence like with an agent
6:33
like like guarding the door like
6:35
somebody's gonna
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Yeah.
6:36
Yeah. It it it feels like I felt like I
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was
6:40
they treated me like I was testifying
6:41
against like a mafia boss or something
6:43
like that like that's what it felt like
6:45
right
6:45
like they was going to put me in witness
6:47
protection after like it was crazy man.
6:49
So were they disappointed with your with
6:51
the result?
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So I'm going to assume so this why I'm
6:55
going to assume they were disappointed.
6:57
Not one word to me.
6:58
Oh yeah they were disappointed.
6:59
Not one word. not whatever. It was like
7:01
I walked out the courtroom and it was
7:03
like I wasn't even involved. It's like
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
7:06
Okay.
7:06
Did you feel inclined to
7:09
lean one way or the other? Um uh as far
7:12
as Diddy is concerned, like did you feel
7:14
compelled to maybe give him some favor,
7:18
some grace, or did you feel like things
7:21
that you had found out about Cassie,
7:24
maybe the alleged abuse or whatever may
7:29
have um did you had you formed an
7:32
opinion? You know,
7:34
honestly, man, I didn't. you know, you
7:37
know, not to way after the fact, but
7:39
leading up to the testimony. First of
7:42
all, man, I've been telling these
7:43
details for a decade,
7:46
right? And so, the first time they
7:48
interviewed me was a year before I
7:51
testified. So, regardless of what
7:53
opinion you form and stuff, you
7:55
shouldn't I can't The facts are the
7:57
facts, right? So, I'm not going to
7:59
change the facts of what happened, what
8:01
I saw, because that's all I could really
8:03
testify to. The only thing I would say
8:06
leading up to it that kind of threw me
8:08
off was actually the the first guy who
8:11
testified. Like I actually knew
8:14
of the guy and I knew his character or
8:17
whatever. And then it it came out later
8:19
that you could tell he was
8:22
shifting his opinion based on his
8:24
emotions and what he
8:26
heard. And I thought that was messed up
8:28
leading up to it. Like, oh, homeboy just
8:29
trying to throw him under the bus. Mhm.
8:31
And
8:31
I I didn't think that was
8:33
correct because these stories been told
8:35
for years and I know I never spoke to
8:37
the guy directly but I know people who
8:39
know him directly and his stories to
8:41
them was completely different than he
8:43
said on the stand
8:44
you know so I was like damn that's
8:46
rough.
8:46
Now the book chronicles to some extent
8:50
your experience.
8:51
Yeah.
8:52
Um
8:53
did they read that or did they um find
8:57
that out later?
8:59
So leading up to it, um the prosecution
9:03
was really going out of their way
9:05
because my book wasn't published.
9:06
It came out this year. So
9:08
yeah. Yeah. So it it literally came out
9:10
maybe three three days, maybe a week
9:13
before I testified.
9:14
Oh, okay.
9:15
So they were telling me the whole time,
9:17
don't put it out. Don't put it out.
9:19
Don't put it out. Because when you're
9:21
when you have a book, that's if your
9:23
book's 200 pages, that's 200 pages the
9:25
defense can use to discredit you.
9:28
Yeah. Yeah,
9:28
cuz it's all this information to pick
9:30
you apart on. So they were trying to
9:32
like passively aggressively saying don't
9:34
put your book out, but the defense found
9:37
out about it and subpoenaed it.
9:38
Oh.
9:40
So I So I rushed to put it out because
9:43
if they subpoena it and it goes into
9:44
evidence now it's public record
9:47
and who's going to buy it? You could
9:49
just pull it up online. It would be
9:51
everywhere. So I had to publish it real
9:52
quick to like get a copyright some
9:55
intellectual property on it so that at
9:57
least I can kind of control it a little
9:58
bit how much of it gets out.
10:00
Okay.
10:01
I got the impression u talking to you
10:03
during the break um around the
10:06
sentencing that you felt like maybe
10:10
Cassie was more
10:12
involved and proactively um a part of
10:15
this than than was testified. Is that
10:19
true? Or or or it felt almost maybe
10:22
sympa I don't know. I don't want to put
10:24
words in your mouth, but was there
10:25
sympathy towards Diddy or you know did
10:29
you feel he was being wronged?
10:32
So So look man, it's I'm everything I do
10:35
it from an intellectual standpoint and
10:37
the bottom line is
10:39
I was at the sentencing.
10:41
The judge based amount of time he gave
10:43
him on coercion, right? He said,
10:47
"Listen, the coercion and stuff that you
10:49
did, I'm going to give you this amount
10:50
of years." And the truth of the matter
10:52
is coercion is associated with sex
10:55
trafficking. And he was acquitted of
10:57
that.
10:58
So, how do you beat the charge, but
11:01
still get
11:02
the time?
11:03
And I don't care if it's Diddy, if it's
11:05
you, if it's anybody. You can't get a
11:08
not guilty, but I'm still going to give
11:10
you years based on that.
11:12
So, isn't that where the appeal comes
11:13
in? They can appeal it based on that.
11:15
Yep. That's that's 1,00% that's 1,00%
11:18
what they're appealing on. The only
11:20
messed up thing about it is I think the
11:22
judge was smart, right? Because the
11:23
judge
11:24
gave him an amount of years that it's
11:27
not too high,
11:28
right?
11:28
But it's not low. So court might be
11:31
like, ah,
11:32
right, right,
11:32
let him do it. You know, you know, but
11:34
so he he did it smart. But the fact that
11:37
he said coercion like I think is the
11:41
Diddy's attorney says like 13 times in
11:43
his whatever. It's like how are you no
11:47
force, no fraud, no coercion is how what
11:49
he was acquitted of. So if you look at
11:50
it that way, what's the point of a jury
11:53
if the jury can say not guilty and the
11:55
judge can just say, "Well, I'm going to
11:56
give you time anyway."
11:58
Yeah. Well, I I listened to a
12:02
lawyer talk
12:03
and a lawyer said, "This is well, this
12:05
might not be the same. It might be might
12:08
not be completely what you're saying,
12:09
but he was just like it's a huge win for
12:12
Diddy and his team that he got what he
12:15
got. You know what I mean? Because it
12:17
could have been um much worse, you know,
12:21
not not only not only the stuff that he
12:23
was found not guilty on, but even the
12:25
ones uh that he was found guilty on. So,
12:28
I don't know if that really matters
12:30
truly, but
12:32
Yeah.
12:32
Yeah.
12:32
Well, I think it depends what the lawyer
12:34
is basing that opinion on, right?
12:36
Because
12:36
well the possibilities I guess is what
12:39
we're all saying.
12:39
So well what I would say is the time you
12:42
get is supposed to be based on
12:43
precedents, right? People who did the
12:45
same crime before you and how much time
12:47
they got. And if you watch the
12:49
sentencing, every example they used of
12:52
somebody else getting sentenced. And
12:54
we're talking about straight pimps.
12:56
Yeah.
12:56
Pimps that
12:58
made excess of a million dollars and
13:00
stuff like that.
13:01
Like straight pimps,
13:04
right? And these guys were getting like
13:05
25 months.
13:07
Wow.
13:07
So when you see a pimp,
13:08
it's definitely different in that.
13:10
Yeah. When you see a pimp get 25 months,
13:13
when you see guys similar to Diddy,
13:15
first offense,
13:16
you know, no vi no uh money being made
13:20
get 12 months in a day, 6.9 months, and
13:23
he ends up with
13:24
50 months. You got to say, yo, hold up.
13:27
How does the pimp get less time than
13:29
the the the abusive boyfriend,
13:31
right? you know, like so it's just
13:34
confusing.
13:34
We know why.
13:35
There's a lot of Right. We know why.
13:37
We know why.
13:38
Do you um
13:43
let's hypothetically say um you you're
13:46
walking in a you know in five years
13:49
you're walking in a bar or something and
13:52
you see Diddy or you meet Diddy in
13:55
person. Do you think how do you think
13:57
that will play out if you all met each
13:59
other? Bro, honestly, man, aside from
14:03
because I gotta tell the facts, right,
14:05
which is embarrassing, the burka and
14:06
stuff like that. So, me personally, I I
14:09
would yo, my bad for
14:11
the embarrassment. Like, it's kind of
14:13
out of my control or parts of it was in
14:15
my control. I'm own the fact that
14:17
I went on a bunch of talk shows and
14:19
reiterated the situation. So, I have my
14:22
guilt be because I I did want to protect
14:25
the privacy, but in the moment, this
14:27
what everybody want to hear and I'm
14:28
taking publicity. But, dude, I would
14:30
expect
14:32
a good looking and a and a cuz I feel
14:35
like I'm the only person that went up
14:37
there
14:38
if the facts are the facts and didn't
14:39
lie on it
14:40
and didn't lie.
14:41
Right.
14:41
You know what I'm saying? Like I'm the
14:42
guy like like like like my testimony
14:45
could have been like there is said in
14:48
some circles that my testimony is how he
14:50
got acquitted
14:52
on the sex trafficking and the RICO and
14:55
dude sex trafficking and RICO they
14:57
confiscate your assets
14:59
and it was minimum 15 years.
15:02
Right. So if my testimony was the
15:04
difference, dude, I expect a pound. And
15:07
so he owe you. So basically,
15:10
so basically he owe you a check is what
15:11
you're saying.
15:12
I mean, I ain't say that,
15:14
but as your attorney,
15:15
yeah, I need my but but so so this these
15:18
are facts. Like uh um his uh attorney
15:22
Wes Morlin was on uh Pierce Morgan. And
15:26
Piers Morgan is one of the people that
15:27
says, "Yo, the dude, that dude punisher,
15:30
he changed my mind about it. Once I
15:31
heard his testimony, I thought Diddy was
15:34
innocent." Right? So, he asked Diddy's
15:36
attorney. What do you think about the
15:38
guy's punisher's testimony? He was for
15:40
the prosecution, but I believe his
15:42
testimony helped Diddy. And she was
15:44
like, "Agreed. Absolutely. I don't know
15:46
why they put him up there, but I'm glad
15:48
he did or whatever." So, it's already
15:50
kind of viewed that. And all I did was
15:52
tell the truth, bro. Like, you know what
15:53
I'm saying? But it's but because other
15:56
people went up there and exaggerated
15:57
exaggerated, right?
15:59
It's almost like
16:00
thanks for telling the truth cuz the
16:02
prosecution was trying to
16:04
manipulate my testimony.
16:05
So let let me add to the whatever
16:07
scenario. If you see Cassie right now,
16:09
what what would you say to her?
16:11
Um
16:14
I mean look man, at the end of the day,
16:16
like I just said, everything that I said
16:19
was just the truth.
16:20
Okay?
16:20
Right. So, one thing I will say about
16:22
Cassie, I I will never say what what she
16:26
said she experienced wasn't happening.
16:29
If she was coerced, if she was
16:31
manipulated, do that's her that's her
16:34
truth.
16:35
Okay.
16:36
But what I will say is she was extremely
16:39
extremely
16:40
excellent at hiding it
16:43
because there was just no signs. And and
16:45
so this is something I will say. For
16:46
whatever reason, after testifying,
16:50
almost all of the sex worker guys that
16:52
were involved just started hitting me
16:54
up,
16:55
you know, like we going to form some
16:58
some some escort Avengers or something.
17:00
Right. Right. Right. All of them hitting
17:03
me up like we going to be some group or
17:05
something, you know, be a new addition
17:07
of the of of of I don't know, bro. And
17:12
but it was crazy. Not one of them could
17:16
cooporate what she was saying. Like none
17:19
of them saw signs. None of them saw
17:22
anything that would have made them
17:24
think, "Oh, she's
17:26
she's doing this under force." So when
17:28
you hear this from multiple people, I
17:31
would say if she was going through
17:32
something, she was super poker face with
17:35
it. Nobody saw, you know,
17:37
there's a lot of uh breadcrumbs online.
17:39
And you know, we all saw it in media
17:42
her, you know, big sunglasses. Sometimes
17:45
there be clearly
17:48
what you would believe to be a black
17:49
eye. You know, it was it was it was a
17:52
lie. And then the video dropped and then
17:53
it was kind of like we all saw real
17:56
proof. You know what I'm saying?
17:58
Real proof. She was she was leaving
17:59
breadcrumbs. Um, obviously I think it's
18:02
always going to be different when
18:04
you're, you know, it's like when some
18:06
when you just when you argue with your
18:08
wife or your girlfriend and then
18:10
somebody comes in the house, you you
18:12
know, you might tighten up. You might
18:14
pretend everything's good. I'm not
18:15
saying one way or the other. I'm just
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saying, you know,
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um, for you, um, now you did not know
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this was Diddy in the corner naked with
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a burka on, right?
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For like half the time.
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For like half the time.
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For like half the time. So it went on
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this went on two and a half years and I
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didn't figure it out till like 15 months
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in
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15 months. So that that's not that's
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pretty good actually. Um
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so like a year a couple months
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basically.
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Yeah, like a year and a couple months.
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So ED is something that you talk about
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in the book. Um
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you I would imagine that just that alone
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can be difficult, right? Just someone
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else being in the room.
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Yeah. No. And then then adding Diddy
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being the other person, then it turns
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into something even more daunting.
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Yeah. I mean, dude, man, it's a whole,
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you know, look, sex is supposed to be
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like an enjoyable
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in your vibe thing. And so doing it
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under pressure, you know, like under
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pressure,
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the free throw line like
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Yeah. Yeah. Like
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under pressure.
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The buzzer beater free.
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Yeah. Like you got to hit this
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under pressure. Like you don't know.
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That's a whole different animal, man.
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And so, and I know I'm I'm it's it's a
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lot of money to be made for what I'm
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doing, right? And who I'm doing it with.
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And if I'm keeping a hundred, I want to
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keep this gig. Like, I want to,
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you know, it's it's it's every time it
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was the call came, it was like three
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days in a row, 2,000 a pop, like five
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$6,000 weekend for
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for maybe three hours of activity total,
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right? So,
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