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J. Cole’s “Poor Thang” EXPOSED? 910 Space Speaks on “Light Skin Jermaine” & Fayetteville Fallout
Feb 11, 2026
Is J. Cole’s new song “Poor Thang” really about 910 Space? The streets say "YES" and 910 Space thinks so too, which is why he's talking to Chuck Jigsaw Creekmur and his friend DJ Thoro.
As Cole hits the road for his grassroots The Fall Off tour, longtime Fayetteville figure 910 Space is revisiting his claims about the early days — including the Scoop DVD, behind-the-scenes access, and a show incident that still hasn’t sat right.
910 Space says:
“I got footage of everything. The documentary will show it.”
Meanwhile, fans are connecting dots between “Poor Thang” and 910’s earlier track “Light Skin Jermaine.”
No names, but a lot of angst and speculation.
In this video, we break down:
The original Scoop DVD claim
The show confrontation story
“Light Skin Jermaine” timeline
Why fans think “Poor Thang” is a response
What’s confirmed vs. what’s speculation
Is this real beef… or misunderstood history?
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What's going on world? It's your man Chuck Creekman here with my man DJ Thorough aka Thoros on Bridge to the streets.
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Bridge to the streets. And and now we got we we look the the
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the the internet is on fire right now. Fire. Internet is on fire right now. And it's
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all because of this one brother 910 Space and
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the internet detectives. [laughter] They [snorts] went to work in the last
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Yeah, they went to work. They went to work. So, let me say this real quick. So, I listened to most of the JCole
0:44
album and I noticed there was energy on the project and I couldn't make sense of
0:52
the energy that was being put on full display and me and my boy were like,
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what is what is going on here? Yeah. And then in the last few hours, it all
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made sense. Yeah. So, Thorough, I'm gonna let you talk about y'all's relationship a little
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bit and then, you know, we'll get into the conversation. Yeah. So, um, my man off space, man, we
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we go back maybe what, 10, 13, 14 years, probably longer than that. Yeah. Um, when I was running around with
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Cassidy, we linked up, you know, and I've been um advocate supporter of him, you know, everybody in the Carolinas or
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whatever. I go I used to go down there a lot, so I used to always come down there, you know, he would hold dudes down. is a good dude. Certified,
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verified, you know what I mean? Um, always stand up, always looking out for people, you know what I mean? Like I've
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I I don't know any ill thing. I've never heard anything bad about him personally. That's, you know, me personally. So, we
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have a relationship. I've hosted mixtapes for him. I've done work with him, you know, musically, you know, you
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try to help him and, you know, just support his career. That's that's what I've always been about. I always been about talent over popularity. A lot of
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people just popular. They don't have the talent. You know what I mean? So, um, this kind of this whole story
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kind of brings us full circle because I'm, you know, I'm looking on the internet. I'm seeing the pot. I'm seeing, you know, buttons potting about
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it. I see the Breakfast Club and everybody's asking who is J.Cole talking about in this record. Um, poor Was it
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Poor Thing? Poor Thing. Yeah, the record is Poor Thing. Well, he's apparently talking about somebody from from Fedville, another artist,
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another, you know, childhood person he grew up with or come up with that he has some type of animosity towards us.
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Something must have went left. And um it just dawned on me. I'm like,
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that sounds like, you know, my man now on the face or whatever because I remember he had an issue with Cole
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couple years ago and I kind of talked him off the ledge, if you will. You know what I mean? Yeah, he did. Definitely he did. Yeah,
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I talked him off a ledge because one thing about me, a lot of people, one thing about all hip-hop, I'm not gonna say me because I represent this
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platform. We're not about ignorance. We're not about uh talking people to crashing out. That's a new thing,
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crashing out. They call it crashing out, right? I call it destroying your life. That's what I call it. [laughter]
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We we not we're not into that for views and clicks, you know? We talking about human beings. People have families, kids, they have grandmothers and fathers
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and mothers that love them. So when he brought this to my attention at the time, mind you, I just told him like,
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"Look, bro, just focus on you." You know what I mean? Like what's meant for you is what's meant for you. I felt he was
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giving it too much energy. And I know what type of person he is. I didn't want to see it go nowhere where it shouldn't go. I mean, everybody don't
3:33
know how to keep everything music. You know what I mean? That's that's another thing with this with the with the era we in. You know, everybody don't know how
3:39
to keep it music. And you know it's and it's not always the artist, it's always the entourage because they have something to why they should be around.
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You know what I mean? So basically I felt that I kind of needed to talk him off the ledge and told him, "Yo, focus
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on your craft. Focus on your music. Focus on what you're doing and everything else will happen. If what's meant for you is going to be meant for
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you." You know what I mean? So before we get intellectual because
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you know we we're hip-hop. But I do got to add I want to ask you you going to get you going to take his offer up on
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the fade cuz I got to I just definitely like Yeah, the he I feel like
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if again they saying it's me, he ain't saying it's not me. If you call me out
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publicly on the fade, then we got to do the fade publicly, too, right? So, you know what I mean? Yeah.
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Yeah, definitely. Let's Let's talk Let's talk about the receipts. All right. Let's talk about Let's talk about Let's talk about the
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receipt. you have the footage because you know um Jay Cole is doing these um these appearances where he's riding
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through Fedville in a in a in a Honda court if I'm not a black Honda court that you guys used
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to ride around in. And I was just on the phone with him before we did this interview and he sent me the footage of
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the actual scene of them riding around him helping JCole with his CDs. So
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everything he's saying is validated. He was there. They have some type of relationship clearly and obviously.
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Yeah. He he took it it seems so personal. It feels like it was so personal for
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him. Um can you explain because I I hear I've seen two different stories. It
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sound like y'all went to school together then it sound like y'all didn't know him. Which which is it?
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I didn't go to school with Cole. I went to school around the time Cole was in school. So you know like our county is
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Cumberland County. So let's say it's 11 high schools there. Yeah. you might have been in the mix of the high schools, but
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I didn't see you at that time. And I mean, I did win like a championship battle at his school at that time. Um,
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they they took all the high schools and the best MC's with the championship was
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at his school. He wasn't in it though and I didn't know him if he was in the crowd or not, but I won that. So, yeah, that's really the
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only way we cross paths in in school, right? But I didn't go to his school. No. Uh-uh.
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Right. So, um, I was getting kicked in and out of school and stuff like that at that time. Not glorifying it. I'm just saying, you
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know, a little hard-headed, little knucklehead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, I know, you
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know, I don't I guess we're gonna jump around a lot in this conversation because there's so many questions, but I
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noticed, you know, Cole's response on Poor Thing, he he stresses no guns. It's
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like gun noises in the song, but he stresses no guns. I don't know nothing about no [ __ ] with no guns, man. I don't
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know nothing. All I know is the fade. I just got hands like, you know what I mean? I'm like Craig. Dad, put that gun
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down, son. You mean? [snorts] Okay. Okay. Good. That's a record. That's a record right there.
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Yeah. Facts. Guns down. I don't think they doing that though. I ain't gonna lie. Not Not
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youngsters. Not the youngsters. Yeah. And I ain't worried about it even if they not. It's all good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Um Yeah. So, like you um So, I I'll let you I'll keep it open-ended. Explain the
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relationship. All right. Um I'mma take you all the way back.
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So, the guys First, I'mma fill you into the future real quick,
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which is this album, this 26 album that he dedicated to 26, the fall off, right?
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Um on that album, he reached out to some guys I've known since the Sandbox. They
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had a song in the early 2000s in Fedville that was jumping like f a yee t
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v i l e. That was the hook. Everybody knew it. Like they open for ll when he
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came down off of that song and everything. Like so they was bubbling, you know what I mean? Um and those were
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like the people that I was moving with, right? Like I wasn't a part of their group, but it's like that's the squad
7:47
that I'm hanging around. They're older than me. And Cole was the group that's ground zero, right?
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Okay. That's who he talked about in that thing. Okay, bro. That's who he sampled. Cole was running around with a group called Bomb Shelter,
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right? Um they had made like the I think it's like the Five Mics and all that
8:04
kind of stuff, XXL and all that. So, they were that level of success and my
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people was this level of success in in the game. So, everybody had their
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crews that they were up under like they prot, right? Um and Rain was running around with like um his own crew. So um
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910 Rain. But anyway, so let's fast forward now. Cole end up sampling their song on this album. This is how it went.
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I'm on my way. I'm doing this thing called the scoop DVD. Kind of like um I got the idea from Smack French Montana.
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Like I could get around celebrities cuz I won the battle in the school system. The radio let me be the hottest radio
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station would let me be up in the radio station. So, I'm like, I'm not just going to be in here when they interviewing people. Going to go get a
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camera and start doing my own interviews with these people when they leaving out and you know, like getting the crumbs
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out of the interview type joint. And I'mma take local artists where I'm from and put them in segments. And I didn't
9:04
charge nobody. I just wanted us to get some shine first, right? And um so I end
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up battling, me and 910 Rain end up battling one day and it caught fire,
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right? Man, he was signed to Corey Guns at the time, the militia, and it traveled up to NYC. And Corey
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Guns and Peter Guns had came down to do like a this thing called Iron Mike Tuesdays.
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And in Iron Mike Tuesdays, like a celebrity would be there and you would perform. You would pay to perform and
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they would judge it. You know how those go back in the day. And I got a phone call like, "Yo, Corey
9:39
Guns want to meet you." So I'm like, "For what?" So I go to the club, I meet
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Guns, and he like, "Yo, man, what's up with you and my man Rain? How y'all flaming each other up and all this?" And
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my dad want to meet you. So I met Peter Guns and it was all love. And I told Guns about my DVD. And he like, "Yo, get
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in touch with Rain and when you come to New York, I want to be on it." Mhm. So I'm like, "Say less, but I'm not cool
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with Rain." Like we walked away from the battle like, "Fuck you, [ __ ] [ __ ] you." You know what I'm saying? Like,
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but I'm not going to tell Guns like I ain't cool with your man. Made a phone call. Somebody get Rain right now. I got
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to talk to him. And Rain being the humble guy that he is, um, he's even younger. And I always looked at him as
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equal eye age cuz he always carried himself like like an adult like us and [ __ ] you know what I mean? Older. So,
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he was cool. He was like, "Yo, you nine with no family." So, yeah, man. Get him on a DVD and whatever I can do. Boom,
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boom, boom. Fast forward, Guns is signed to death gym, right? Jay's the
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president. So when I'm going to film Cory Guns, he's telling me we going to
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be at Baseline Studios. I don't know what Baseline is, right? Like you need like the XXL and [ __ ] and all this and
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reading the back of CDs. I'm not into all that [ __ ] I know what Quad Studios is. You know what I'm saying? [ __ ]
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getting, you know what I mean? So anyways, my man Rick Ricochet, that's a
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part of that Favville song. He's like, "Yo, that's Jay-Z studio."
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I'm like, "Okay, cool." He like, "Please let me go with you." I'm like, "All right, I asked Cory Guns, but you going
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to have to like play like you my cameraman, right?" Like, I can't just say you coming in the building, I got to give
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you a job, right? Everybody got to be doing something. So, he like, "That's cool." So, and then my other man's came,
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Ji. He's a beat maker from the Vil. So we getting ready to go up there and I stay in Harlem. I stay in 140th and
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Linux whenever I'm up there cuz that's where my people from. So I'm like we going to stay in Harlem so I can get
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Joelle Santana and the whole thing. You know you got to be in the mix. If you in Manhattan somebody might be like yo they
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on the block right now. You going to miss the opportunity. So I'm like we going to stay here in the hood. His
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family ain't with that. They come from a little bread. So they like yo we going to stay in Manhattan. my mom and get us
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a room. I'm like, I can't do that, right? Cuz plus I want to see my people. So he like the day before we get ready
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to go, he like, yo, it's a dude from Fedville that stay up there. And I'm like, I don't know him, so no.
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You know what I mean? Cuz I'm going off of extension asking guns, can you come and can he come? I can't keep asking.
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And you know, moving in the south, you from the south, y' ain't never been to New York. I got to tell y'all how to move around here. It's too many [ __ ]
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No. No, that's unexperienced in New York City. You know, it was treacherous in New York in the early 2000s, right?
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But um that's my brother. Mark is like a brother to me. So I said, "Nah, we'll go
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check your man out." We went over there and this therapist at the time, not JCole, he's going to school or working,
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whatever. He had a little black Honda. He like, he already got the game plan. Oh, I'm calling out of work tomorrow.
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I'm rolling with y'all. Y'all ain't got to give me y'all ain't got to take the train. I'll drive y'all there. And I'm
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like, "No, wait. Pull my man to the side. What's going on with your man's?" Like, "How he know he rolling?" And I
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like the train. I like taking the subway. I like swiping the metro. You know what I'm saying? Like, what's going
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on? So, he was like, "Just let him come, man. Just let him roll, bro." I'm like, "It's not that simple, bro. Like, I got
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to tell Guns and he might just shut me down." That's like me telling you I'm bringing two people over your house. And
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then I say, "Hold on. I got one more that want to meet you like, you know what? Nah, bro, you're doing too much,
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right? So, when I asked Guns, I was actually extending a favor, right, for Cole to be
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able to come and I let him. And Guns, Guns, knowing me from around rain and everything, he
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was like, "Man, you good, bro. Just tell your people don't be tripping. We going to be in the studio."
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Cole comes with us. This [ __ ] throw on a shirt that say, "I produce for Jay-Z at Dry."
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Oh, cold. Cold. Yes, he has a shirt made and [ __ ] already. Like, how the [ __ ] So, I'm
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like, we already gun said [ __ ] don't be on no extra [ __ ] You know what I mean? Um,
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he has the shirt on. I produce for Jay-Z trying, right?
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I go in the back to film for Corey Guns. Um, well, to listen to some beats with guns. Ray introduced Cole to a guy that
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um ended up becoming Cole's manager at the time. What is it? something. Rooney.
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Yeah. Rooney. Yeah. So, he introduces them to him and they
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end up clicking up. I go back down south. Let's just sum the day up. But I got all this footage. The
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whole [ __ ] on footage, right? Sum it back up. I get back down south. I go to Virginia. I got things going on.
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So, I'm in Virginia for like a year and a half or something. Right. My man's Mark on this Fville song that
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got the credits right now on Co album. He calls me like, "Cole trying to get in touch with you." You know, he signed a
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Jay-Z now. And I'm like, "Okay, tell him I said congratulations, but I got my own
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[ __ ] going on right now. I don't really care about that." You know what I mean? But tell him congratulations. Nah, he
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really trying to holl at you. So I'm like, I get at him when I come back down
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in the field. I come back like a year and a half again. Yo, he really want to
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talk to you. So I answer, I get the phone call through. Co's like, "Yo, I made it. I need you
15:30
now. I just extended my hand." Now, this ain't how I'm thinking then, but how I'm thinking now. Like, I just extended my
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hand for you to get in the door. Boom. Boom. Boom. I'm happy for you. Boom.
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And I put you on the scoop DVD rapping in J Studio. Let's add that in there, too. Right. With a Jay-Z plaque behind
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it. So, then he tells me, I need you to like, you know, talk to the promoters in
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the vil. you know the city, you know the club owners, like cuz then just cuz he signed a Jay didn't mean nothing. You
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didn't have internet like to where it's like you got to like open a book like oh
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Jay-Z did just sign this guy. I ain't got no song, no nothing. It's like so me telling the club give him a VIP.
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It's like who the [ __ ] is [clears throat] he right? But my I knew a lot of people and
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I still know to this day a lot of club owners down there. And Cole didn't know the city because he been off in college
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for so long. So he needed me for that. And I did that. No contract. I'm not
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Dreamville. I'm not none of this. I'm not part of the the deal. I'm just a dude helping out a brother from my city,
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right, that called upon me, right? Um and never did was no money exchanged
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between me and him or nothing. I'm getting you free bottles. I'm getting you VIP. I'm getting you inside the
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clubs and your entourage. And I'm not your manager. Your man is your manager. And he coming. I got it all on footage
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though. I got your manager saying like, "Yo, shout out to Kid always holding this cuz they know me by Kid back then.
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I changed my name to space recently in the later 2000s, right? I'm getting rid of like old energy and shit." But um so
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anyways, yeah, I'm getting them all of this and everything. And I remember one night Cole said, "Um,
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yo, out of everybody," talking to his own crew, he said, "Out of everybody, kid, the only one that ain't never asked
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me for shit." And he was like, "So when that [ __ ] asked me for something, I got him." He
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was like, "Kid, you hear me?" Right? And I told him in front of his whole crew, I said, "Co, you ain't even in a situation
17:32
to help nobody right now. Like, we trying to get you there, right? So you just focus on you, [ __ ] And when you
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get set up, I might come back and holl at you about that, right? like I might come back about that favor, but I had my
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own things going on. Like I was shopping myself to DB block. Um Rain had his own
17:50
situation. Then I had the Hoodie six situation which RP to my man Huie. Um
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this is when it all went left for me and I had to call on that favorful co right
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um my man's put me in touch with Hoodie 6. I didn't know who Hoodie was. I'm in
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the studio. One of my man called me like, "Yo, this guy want to h I want to put you on the phone with this dude." So
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Hoodie jumps on the phone and he's like, "Uh, he's like, "Yo, people up here in Harlem." I had done battled in Harlem a
18:20
lot. I done 106 and Park all that. He like, "People in Harlem on the block telling me you can spit like so you
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know, give me some music." I'm like, "Nigga, go right now on the phone." Hoodie like I don't do all that [ __ ] man. You know what I'm saying? Real
18:33
words of Hoodie. Like, I don't do all that [ __ ] man. Give me some music. He like, "Give me some music." and we had
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talk. So I came to New York, found Hoodie, got the music to him. Huie get out missing. He gave me his number
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though. He get missing. Now mind you, I'm still doing [ __ ] with Cole. Cole got beef in the city. He's calling me to end
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[ __ ] I'm ending beefs with him. But still not asking no favors cuz [ __ ] [ __ ] I got Hoodie on the I'm going to
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be over here with dip set and [ __ ] is what I'm thinking, right? Um Hoodie got the CD. He goes down. I think he was in
19:04
Florida at the time he told me. And um I hadn't heard from him in like a week. I'm blowing this [ __ ] [ __ ] up. You know
19:11
what I'm saying? Like, yo, you like it? You like the music? Thorough? No. I I done bothered the [ __ ] out of Thorough
19:17
when the mixtape was being made. Right. That's just I'm hungry. I'm adamant about mine. So Huie finally responded
19:23
and said, "Rest in power to my man." Yo, uh I only knew him for this short amount
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of time, but he had such a big impact on my life. Hoodie said, "I don't care if you call me or message me a hundred
19:35
times, [ __ ] I'mma get at you when I get at you." Right. Mhm. You gave me three songs on the disc. Two
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of them was fire and I'mma holl at you. Right. That's it. Text message. I'm like, "This
19:46
[ __ ] just son the [ __ ] out of me. But I'm happy though, right?" So, I get a
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phone call one day, maybe like a week later. Hoodie like, "Yo, I'mma [ __ ] with
19:58
you. Be in New York Friday. be in New York Friday. I said, "I'll be there tomorrow." He said, "Calm the [ __ ] down,
20:04
nigga." I said, "Friday. Be in New York and do you got a portfolio?" Blas blas
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blah. Right. Um, I said, "No." He said, "We'll get you all that." And the last thing he
20:17
said to me was, "I'mma put you in a situation that'll change your life. That's what I do. I'm hoodie six."
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Whether he was bluffing or not, I don't know. This [ __ ] made me feel good, right? So, I go back to the studio. I come back
20:29
the next day and my man is like, "Honey, he died, right?"
20:35
And I'm like, "Who did what to who?" Because I'm furious like, "Nigga, [ __ ] that." The [ __ ] took my opportunity.
20:42
Not even thinking about Cole cuz I'm not a I don't rely on my people. I'm just I'm
20:47
trying to get my own situation. I'm not even thinking about Cole. I'm shattered like me like, "Nah, it was some car accident type joint." You know what I
20:54
mean? And rest in power to Hoodie. So that's when I extended to to ask Cole for that favor, right? Like, bro,
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hoodies gone. I had my own situation, bro, to keep me moving. I don't care if
21:06
it's this DVD [ __ ] I don't care if it's his music [ __ ] but like, take my music, pass it on to somebody. Let me make the
21:12
situation. I ain't trying to be signed to you. I don't want to be signed to Jay, but just put me in a situation
21:18
where I can make my own situation. Oh, I got you, my [ __ ] That's nothing. Say less. Get me the music. So, you know,
21:25
studio cost money, blas blah blah. Now, [ __ ] get missing on me. I I can't get
21:32
a line to nobody. I'm trying to hit everybody up. Can't get a line to nobody. So, I had to pull up on Cole.
21:39
Pull up on Cole when he was doing like a Drake tour. He was in like Raleigh, I think. I pulled up on him. That's the
21:45
first time I had to pull up on him about not being in communication with me. [ __ ]
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pulled up on him and I had to force my way through but I made it to the back
21:56
and then I'm like yo what the [ __ ] is the deal? Like this what we doing now? And he like nah [ __ ] come on the bus
22:03
let's talk like come on. So we go on the tour bus. He cleared the tour bus off and he trying to pull money out of his
22:09
pocket. I'm like yo what are you doing my [ __ ] Like I don't need no bread. He like my fault bro. Like mad [ __ ] just
22:16
my bad. [ __ ] just be coming at me for all types of [ __ ] my [ __ ] What's up? Just go ahead and spit it out. And I
22:23
said, "Yo, I need I'm going to need you to do that faker that we talked about, then they'll pass it off to somebody.
22:28
Blues." Boom. He like, "Nah, man. You going to have to be right here."
22:34
And I'm like, "Cole, I'm a real [ __ ] bro. I'm not I'm not going to jump to the first opportunity. If what's in my
22:40
mind is set, that's what the [ __ ] I came for, right? So, I'm like, "No, my [ __ ] No disrespect, but I want my own
22:47
situation. You know, like outside of your thing, like let me get my own situation and just if I don't make it
22:53
pop after you put it in somebody hand and tell them that's on me cuz that's what I'm asking, kid. I hear you and
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[ __ ] but you got to take it how this game give it. And I'm telling you this. Let me clarify. Let me clarify real
23:05
quick. So, you're saying Cole wanted you to go on the road with him or be He was saying I'd be on Dreamville.
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On Dreamville. Okay. Right. And we was negotiating that like, nah, I ain't what I want to do.
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Right. Hold on space. Let me let me play devil's advocate. So with that information because we fair up here.
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Yeah. By call offering you a position on Dreamville. Isn't that a form of assistance? Isn't someone say he's
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trying to help in that in that maybe that's how he he can help you. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely.
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So why would you not So why would you not take that young? For one, I was younger and I had
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done enforced [ __ ] to help you get out of problems. If anything becomes a problem and I got an answer to you, it's
23:49
not going to work. That's what I was thinking. Like, I'm going to bark on you. I'm not going to ask you. That's
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what I was thinking. Like, I could never let you be my boss because of the things you asked me to do for you in certain
24:02
situations. I wouldn't put you in that. You get what I'm saying? Does that make
24:08
that makes sense? Right. Mhm. But he had said, but the last thing he
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said was, "I can't do that other [ __ ] You going to have to be right here." And I said, "All right, word, co. That's
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what it is then." I agreed. Right. He like, "Stay on the tour bus." But I had
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[ __ ] to do. You know what I'm saying? I keep it moving, right? So I'm like, I got to go. Boom, boom, boom. All right. Hit me up. Get the music. I'm hitting
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the [ __ ] up. We playing that game again. I ain't hearing nothing from nobody, man. Three years go by,
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everybody telling me, "Nah, man. Just just be patient. You know that." I pull up on him again. He hit Greensboro. I
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pop out. [ __ ] that. Now I'm hot. Now you playing with me cuz you told me I said
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I'd do that. You told me, "Fuck this. I'm pulling up." I pull up to the show. His man's in them back there. I done got
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there early. They know what I did. I sat out there. Let's say the show is at [ __ ] 7:00. [ __ ] I got there at 2.
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I'm in the back before the [ __ ] with the vest come on and tell the the important people with the park, I know
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how to move. I'm I'm out there like, "No, he going to see me. We going to talk. [ __ ] the [ __ ] We I need
25:19
something solid this time." Right. Basically what Cam said he did running around playing [ __ ] I'm not with all
25:26
that, right? I done did real [ __ ] for you. You told me your word was what it was. If
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you didn't say you would do nothing for me, I wouldn't hold you to it. You get what I'm saying? So, I pull up
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his mans and them acting like they don't know what's going on. Yo, kid. What's up? Hey yo, I'm not even going to front.
25:44
I'm like, yo, y'all [ __ ] out of here, man. Where Cole at? Oh, man. What's going on? Come on, kid. Chill, bro. Man,
25:51
I'm not saying [ __ ] to nobody till Cole get here, bro. So, they I guess they talked to Cole.
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I'm not I don't know if they did. I guess they talked to Cole. Yo, you got some tickets up front. Um, go to the
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front to the will call and get these tickets. It's four general admission tickets,
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[ __ ] you crazy me, I gave them shits out to the people
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in the crowd like, "Hold on." Cuz you know, I'm a little, you know, so I'm like, "What are these?" They like, "Oh,
26:19
these will get you in here." No, I'm not going in there. I'm going back through that way again. Right. So, I give them
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out to people in the crowd. They happy and [ __ ] It's only just me. Why you give me four tickets? Yeah.
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Scary. Anyways, so I go around. They like, "Did you get the tickets?" I'm
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like, "Y'all don't ever play with me like that. [ __ ] get out my face. I'll see Co when he get here." They did not
26:42
try to stand the ground for the [ __ ] and shoot me off. It's police back here and all this [ __ ] Ain't nobody like
26:47
playing tough. So be that tough [ __ ] Cole pulls up. Soon as he get out the Range Rover, I'm like, "Yo, what's
26:54
popping, nigga?" Now I don't know like what's popping. I'm like yo what the [ __ ] is going on [ __ ] Like what what
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what we doing co? He like yo kid. What's up [ __ ] Damn playing that game. You
27:07
know the game I'm talking about. Like you don't know. Y'all ain't been like they ain't call you and tell you I was here and you ain't say give them some
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tickets. Get them the [ __ ] out my way before I get there. No. He had to take me inside of there talk to me and he's
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like yo I'mma talk to you after the show. Get him all access. Now I'm good enough for a all access pass,
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right? Get him a All access pass. Go sit over here with with the family and friends and after the show I'mma come highlight
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you. We going we going to make some [ __ ] happen. All right. You going to watch the show? No, I ain't
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come to watch no shows. I'm on that [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? He like, damn. He like, damn. Well, I
27:45
ain't, man. This [ __ ] did this show and left and didn't say [ __ ] to me. I ain't see the [ __ ]
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That's how we got to where I'm dissing you. And what year is that? Man, I'm not good with dates, bro. Like,
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I would have to look it up and then get back to you. But he had did a show in he was doing a dollar in the dream tour, I
28:04
believe, at that that time. So, Ron about what? I don't know what's going on with Thorough. He just
28:10
Yeah, his [ __ ] going. His internet is trash. I don't know what's going He in the Matrix.
28:15
Yeah, I apologize. Um, but I mean, Ding Your Dreams, that's
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what 10 10 years ago. Yeah, probably something like that. Yeah, he still had the dreads and [ __ ] Um, if
28:27
I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.
28:32
So, that's how we got to I'm not talking to you no more. I don't trust your word. I'm just going to go at your neck.
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You know what I'm saying? And you going to know how I feel. I got Since you won't let me tell you how I feel, I'm I'mma show you how I feel.
28:45
That's how we got it. So, you recorded a disc then or did you
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not? No, I waited mad time cuz everybody just kept trying to talk me down cuz they know I'm like hotheaded and hot
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tempered and I just stopped listening to everybody and did what I wanted to do. You know what I mean? Finally, you know
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to that's this year. No, that that disc the disc I did is two
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years old. Oh, the disc. Yeah, the videos both videos is like one
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is a year old and one is two years old. So he had mad time to say whatever he
29:19
wanted to me. So for him to pull this now and you done done business with all my homeboys and everything, man, you
29:25
just talking cuz you got lips. So don't get me wrong, if we rapping back and
29:31
forth, that's cool. But when people on the internet like, "Oh, Cole want to shoot the fake, man. We ain't buying it." And if you do, we going public with
29:37
it because you call me out publicly. Right. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. So the
29:43
the the the song is two years old. His response is new and basically brought
29:48
attention to it this year. Yes. Yeah. Oh man. Okay. So, yeah. Well, he's been
29:57
working on this forever, so I guess you know it could have been recorded right around that time. So,
30:04
that's a fact. Yeah. Yeah, man. I mean, he he went hard, bro. It
30:09
felt like a betrayal and and and I think that um you know I guess his mom was
30:15
mentioned in in your original uh ver song, right? Is that is that
30:20
Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I I heard I heard him refer to his mom like the hardest dude got a white mom type
30:29
thing like this and I didn't know what was going on. So I
30:34
guess all of that is referring to you and your Yeah.
30:39
Uh, a lot of people a lot of so so a lot of people were like, you know, he didn't
30:45
he didn't give this energy to Kendrick, you know. Oh, I was about to say that myself. Yeah, he didn't he didn't. And then but
30:52
then then somebody on the internet, you know, I had to look at the comments. They were like, well, Ken Kendrick didn't mention his mom. You know, if you
30:59
say mom, it's, you know, it's well, it's all on deck. When you when you jump
31:04
in this field of the hip hop culture that I come from, man, when you battle, you go. You know, Jay says some things
31:11
that N that I would never shake his hand. But men grow, right? Men grow past
31:17
it. You understand the culture that you in 50 and Fat Joe and 50 and these men
31:22
would style said crazy [ __ ] about 50 mom and blah. Hey, I'm not saying I was
31:28
emulating them. I'm saying that it's no hoes bars. I don't know what the [ __ ] he might say back to me. let me go ahead
31:33
and make my my strongest shot. You know what I'm saying? Like that's what you do in battle rap, you know? That's what you
31:39
do when you coming at somebody in this hip-hop [ __ ] You know what I mean? So yeah, I'm going all gloves off. You know
31:45
what I mean? When I come at you word. So I I got to ask you this. You also
31:51
incorporate Illuminati and devil energy. Um or you did, you know, what made you
31:58
what made you go there with it? like that I felt was crazy cuz I never got that from Cole.
32:05
I mean it's [ __ ] that it's [ __ ] that I can't
32:10
really speak on that that raise antennas on me, right? Um, and I won't speak on
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like I said it in the song and that's about as far as I go with it because I don't like like I wouldn't publicly uh
32:23
outside of music kind of like breaking the details of what I think. You know what I mean? On that man when it comes
32:29
to on some [ __ ] like that, but at the same time I seen him change into something I didn't recognize no more.
32:36
You know what I mean? like that ain't the guy that I knew and I've been around a lot of people in this industry and
32:42
people don't do and and turn into what I seen him turn into and right I I've seen
32:49
some things that make my antennas go up you know what I mean devil baff like that ain't even a you
32:57
know what I mean like I I I'm just I'm just curious from all right I'mma ask you this like if I'm
33:03
shooting a video why would I put a upside down seven in my video.
33:09
Uh, did he do that? I don't even know. Yeah, go back and look at the um nobody's perfect video with Missy. Why
33:16
would I have like the only thing that has I don't even want to get too deep into this, but like the only thing that
33:23
has like the eye shape like this right here is cats and reptilians,
33:28
right? And all those lenses in that video, you going to see that reptilian eye, that one eye, and all that. And
33:35
then things start changing, you know, you start seeing like devil horns on [ __ ] and then you started seeing the
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number seven pop up a lot. Yeah. For me, seven is a a god number.
33:48
Yeah. To us it might be right. But if it's a god number then why are we playing with it like in to where you got
33:55
to decode see it and why are we doing these? Hey man, I don't know. All I know
34:01
is that to me it made me feel that way so I mentioned it. You know what I mean? That's why I kicked it out there. Yeah.
34:07
Okay. I [clears throat] ain't see the [ __ ] eat a [ __ ] you know drink a cup of blood or no [ __ ] like that. No, I ain't
34:13
gonna Yeah. Um what what would your character like like what was he to you early on? like
34:19
was he I mean I mean putting in the looking at some of the video footage it
34:25
looks like he was quiet sort of sort of in the background a little bit you know playing you know playing the back
34:32
yeah not very outspoken not very outspoken um definitely didn't
34:38
non-confrontational super non-confrontational right but that's understandable
34:45
uh that's very understandable everybody not built to like, you know, put their feet down to stand up for theirel and I
34:52
don't knock a man for that. You ask a person when you need help, right? Point blank period. So, yeah. Nah, very
34:57
non-confrontational, but also uh, you know, a little chill in environments that he don't feel comfortable in, you
35:04
know. But I've seen Cole turn up on some regular [ __ ] Like, he'll turn up and be on some chill, very
35:11
involved in the party and all of that, but I I've seen him be laidback in environments where he didn't feel like
35:17
this where I fit in at. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it it's it's interesting
35:25
to me. Um, do you feel do you feel responsible for his success in any way?
35:32
Do you feel like, yo, I I made you I was the bridge for you? Like, I made you
35:39
into what you are today. Co was already a dope MC. Let's get that
35:46
straight. You know what I mean? Like, he was already a dope MC. We all all we got in the vil is straight monsters. Like,
35:52
but he ain't the best out of Fville. You know what I'm saying? I could go on list of names and [ __ ] I'm nice. Like ain't
35:59
nobody not nice coming out that city. We take that [ __ ] serious, right? Um so
36:07
all you need is that door to crack open for you to get the opportunity, right?
36:12
You need that opportunity like and if a person let you come on, man. Come on. Let's go. Let's go. And you go through
36:18
there, they helped you. I don't give a [ __ ] whether you want to say it or not. you know how you know how tight this
36:25
[ __ ] is knitted in this music industry. So if you get a little bit of space, you can go right sometimes. Right. And
36:32
that's what happened. Like he was able to come in to Jay Studio.
36:38
He met somebody that person put up whatever for him to get there. They got him to Jay and boom.
36:45
Right. And then you called me after you got on. That's the biggest part. I ain't even
36:52
But I got footage of everything. So anybody try to contest anything I'm saying the documentary will show. You
36:59
know the documentary is going to be bad if anybody say I'm lying. So you working on a documentary?
37:05
It'll [clears throat] be out in August. Is so tell us about that a little bit. Well on this documentary it's really
37:12
Fateville hip hop culture. Right. Like I said, I was doing the scoop DVD, putting
37:17
like TI on here, Gucci Man, Cory Gun, so and so, and I was taking all these artists from my city and giving them
37:23
like fill in gaps between the interviews with them and D. And that's how Cole cracked through because a DVD opened the
37:31
door that rack wasn't opening for us. Like, you could come here with your camera, and feel me, but I ain't trying to do no song with you. You get what I'm
37:38
saying? Yeah. So, I used that camera to like open the door to where we could be around
37:45
this music [ __ ] Yeah. In a different like because going to New York, right? New York taught me like,
37:51
"Yo, you gotta learn how to move. You gotta learn how to move." And you know what I mean? So, I use that as my
37:58
way to open doors that we could never make the knob turn, right?
38:03
And that's how we got Cole into that situation, the DVD. So, I got a love for
38:09
film and with Cole being on that DVD and my only scoop DVD, we got a J.Cole out
38:16
of it. That's crazy, right? That's crazy, right? So, all this footage, I start thinking
38:24
through time cuz I even tried to give Cole his footage. Nah, I'm straight, man. I I don't need
38:29
that. I'm good. So, that's when I realized like, [ __ ] you just don't want [ __ ] to get
38:35
no type of situation, huh? Right. Right. Okay. Then
38:41
it's funny you bring that up because I um there's a there's a there's a rumor that Cole is doesn't he he'll say one
38:47
thing, he do another. Like he just spun Cameron just had a story about Cole saying that I just told him that.
38:53
Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if you brought that up. Right. He's notorious for this [ __ ] Yeah. Right. So So has he helped anybody from
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the from your from your observation? Has he put anybody on or brought light to
39:04
anybody in the city that does that that does music? He put on his men that was that bomb
39:11
shelter group. He put his mans on from that. But his other man he didn't for I
39:17
would say decent reasons. Right. His man had some [ __ ] going on that I could
39:22
understand how he couldn't, you know, pull him out of that. Right. But he did try with him. I found out later and I
39:29
said that in the disc that, you know, he did this, but I found out later that he did try but it still won't really [ __ ]
39:36
You know what I mean? I'm not going to say it wasn't [ __ ] but it was kind of like
39:41
it was enough to let a [ __ ] [ __ ] his life up even more. Oh, I see.
39:47
Right. I'm not putting it on Co that it's his fault of whatever transpire with that man. I'm just saying like,
39:53
yo, when you think you helping somebody, sometimes you hurting them. You So that's not Cole's fault. I'm not
39:59
even going to play that game. That's not his fault. You know what I mean? I wouldn't say I wouldn't say that. Right.
40:04
But he [snorts] put his mans on from that group. He signed another artist from there. I don't really speak on
40:10
[ __ ] that I don't really talk to. He signed another [ __ ] um from there, another artist from there to his label.
40:18
Well, a outside venture label from my understanding. Uh so, but the he's
40:24
picky. He's very picky about how he going to do this. You know what I mean? And I don't know how legit some of this
40:30
stuff is, but it's been forever. And that's when he started doing it. It wasn't like
40:35
right. I saw um a little footage and I'm wondering if this is your footage. I saw
40:42
he mentioned all hip hop in one of his in studio. Uh Rain is there and he talks
40:48
about um looking at all hip hop and we wrote a I actually I actually wrote this
40:54
article on Jay-Z and he refers to the artwork which I did as well. Thank you
40:59
very much. Word word. I salute you. Yeah. Mhm. And um and um I was curious if that was
41:06
your footage or if that was just something um that's just randomly on the internet.
41:12
Is that some of your stuff, man? Somebody I meant to put my [ __ ] on.
41:17
Do not disturb. Are y'all good? Y'all still can hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Yeah. Yeah. So, I can't say whether the
41:24
footage is mine or not. I can't really recall um what footage it is directly or what was going on right then, but yeah,
41:31
I don't know. I don't know, bro. If that was my Could be. Okay,
41:36
man. That's crazy. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you, fam. Okay, cool. Cool.
41:42
I can't hear nothing right now because a call is coming through type joint. Okay.
41:47
Boom. Damn. You there? Yeah, I'm here now. My fault. My fault.
41:53
Okay. technical difficult you got to do like me stay on do not disturb then it never
41:59
it never is but that's a whole another problem then
42:05
you miss you miss opportunities that way right but yeah but
42:11
sheesh I mean I don't I what what's the what's the feedback you've been getting like I mean obviously your song is two
42:17
years old the internet is looking you know it's it's everywhere now what
42:23
what's what's the feed feedback you've been getting from people. We could curse on here, right? Curse a little bit. Yeah. Don't go
42:28
crazy. Well, like that's what they've been doing to me. You know what I'm saying? So, a lot of
42:34
Yeah. A lot of FU's. A lot of you a piece of this. You a clout chaser. You hating on Cole. But then it's been like
42:41
50% love. You know what I'm saying? Like, so yeah, it's 5050 right now.
42:47
Yeah. I saw somebody say, "Oh, he cooked. Here's the guy that cold cooked."
42:52
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they saying all of that. I mean, that's the YouTube world, you know. YouTube
42:58
spice it up, you know. Yeah, man. I just take it for what it is. It's already out there. This how we
43:04
rocking. Everybody not Everybody didn't like Nas Verse. Everybody didn't like Jay verse. Somebody chose Jay. Somebody
43:10
chose Nas. If you If everybody not saying I'm whack, then all right, I did something right. Right. So,
43:17
yeah. Everybody has their fan base, you know what I mean? And they cup of tea. So, that's how I look at it. Yeah. Yeah,
43:22
I don't really get into that. Do you have any any regrets? I mean, do you have any Would you do it
43:29
differently? I mean, what do you Nah, cuz we here now. You know, it took that to get here. You know what I mean?
43:36
That's just real talk. Evidently, it woke something up in them to feel like, "All right, then if we ain't going to
43:43
talk, then we going to talk like this." So, that's where we at with it. No, I wouldn't change nothing. And I'm not
43:49
deleting nothing either. I like what you I see what you did
43:55
there. I see what you did right now. You're not apologizing. You're not You're not Nah, never. I would apologize as a man to him
44:02
oneonone if we if we, you know, move past the [ __ ] We done aired out our differences. We done shot that fade that
44:08
he claiming and [ __ ] After I drop him in the fade, I'll pick him up, tell him, "Yo, man, I'm sorry." You know what I'm
44:14
saying? But you called me in here to do this and I had to do this to you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Um, did
44:20
you did you urinate on his house? His childhood house.
44:26
All I know is my back was turned to the camera, bro. You know what I mean? For a second, I just turned my back to the
44:32
camera, you know what I mean? And I had to get my stuff together before I walked to the microphone and kick reverses, you
44:37
know what I mean? Had to get myself together. Sounds like you pleaded the fifth. Was
44:43
this uh in front of his child? The fifth is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you, though. Yeah.
44:50
You say he peed. You say he peed the fifth. I pleaded the fifth. Yeah. I thought he said I peed the fifth. That was crazy. That was crazy.
44:57
That's a song. Chill. Yo, the whole album is done.
45:03
Yeah. Yeah. I peed at [laughter]
45:11
Yo, that's actually a record. That's crazy.
45:16
This is serious business, man. Yeah, serious business. Um, listen man, I uh
45:22
you know, thorough and I we we relentlessly avoid beef. Like I I think
45:27
we should start beefing, right? Because it's more to be got out of beef and then
45:32
not beefing. Yeah. You know, don't listen to him right now. He starting
45:37
But but shout out to Cole. I mean, you know, I I I I appreciate Cole because we
45:43
don't have too many left, right? we people that rap the way he raps. Uh we
45:49
we got older people, but he's on the younger side and and then it's like, man, what what do we got left? You know,
45:56
it's it's a few, but not a lot on that high level. So, I say, you know, shout out to that.
46:02
Shout out to him in that regard. He's also an Aquarius. Um but yeah, when you get personal, when it gets personal, it
46:08
it's a different situation. And obviously it it it
46:14
made him feel something cuz they were like he devoted two verses a song to
46:22
this man. That's a lot. He could easily just walk on by and just keep on living.
46:30
I mean that's he ran with the situation with Kendrick. You know what I mean? Like he apologized to him the next day
46:37
or something, right? Like it didn't sit right with his soul. I think it's contradictive on his end like what he's
46:42
doing right now. But I'm glad he did it. You know what I'm saying? To let me know, you know, at least you not the
46:49
sucker I thought you was. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? But it is what it is, man.
46:57
May we continue to get it popping and unless he just say he don't want to do the whatever. You know what I mean?
47:04
Shoot the fade. If he run from shooting the fade, then he ran from a Kendrick battle and he ran from shooting to fade.
47:10
You know what I mean? So yeah, you asked for it, so let's make it happen. Right. So I wanted to ask you too. So
47:17
when he was in Fedville just a day or two ago running around in the Honda Civic doing a promo, were you in the
47:22
city? Did you were you aware that he was moving around like that? You didn't put pump on him and try to talk to him or
47:28
something? That didn't happen? No, it wouldn't because it's f right now. Let Fville have this
47:36
moment. They need to be, you know, peace. Nobody whing. Yeah. I don't mean crazy. I mean, try to
47:42
talk to him. You got to remember, like you said, entouragees things, you know. So, I just
47:47
wanted to stay away. Let them have a moment. Let the city be happy and let
47:52
the city embrace this moment and let us have a a great time for once. Cuz our city known for like all types of ruckus
48:00
and 10 shootings and [ __ ] in one night. and we don't need none of that crazy
48:05
[ __ ] So I was like, "Yo, let it just be up. Me and Cola, we'll figure whatever we out doing doing this." You know what
48:12
I'm saying? Through the microphones. We going to talk through the mics, right? Until we talk outside of this. That's
48:18
how it's going to be, right? Do you have a new song coming? I mean, yours is two years old, his is new.
48:25
A new one coming. Um, I'm focused on my documentary, man.
48:30
like I'm focused on putting this documentary out. Um, Before Space is the name of the documentary. Um, so I'm
48:36
focused in on that. We'll probably tell us about the documentary. Tell us about it, bro. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, in the in the
48:43
documentary, we got Kanye West in there. You know what I mean? Kanye West shoting me out. Um, I wrapped with Kanye West
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back when he was just a beat maker for uh Rockefeller. I didn't know who he
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was. He end up spitting a verse to me, asking me how did the verse sound. I told him that [ __ ] nice as [ __ ] Then
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he asked me to spit and he was a judge in a hip-hop battle that I was doing at the time and he gave me the W. Um and
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then later on I met him. We was in Favville. He was promoting through the wire and um we passed out turkeys in
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front of the strip club together and [ __ ] It was crazy. He said he feel like Nino Brown. You know what I'm saying?
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Yay is wild. And the third time I met him, it was in New York at a uh a red
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carpet event. Like Magic Johnson was there, Russell Simmons, everybody. And Kanye finally gave me a drop, a video
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drop. Like, shout out to my [ __ ] Kid. Go check out his music. And he was about to give me a 16, but he was like, "Nah,
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I can't do that." Yeah. So, yeah. Yay is on there, Fab is on there, Kevin Hart is
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on there, Day is on there. Um, we rap together on there. It's just showing like um the clubs that used to be open
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in Fville when artists would come through. Fab came through there. Mad people, man. And it's so it's so much
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Fedville [ __ ] that don't exist no more in there. And the story of Cole is in
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there. Um Max B is on there. So this documentary is like unseen footage of a
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lot of people and a lot of great moments that I'm pretty sure the world need to see in hip hop, especially if they want
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to know the culture of Fville. You know what I mean? Sounds good, man. But by the way, I
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might be the only one with a Jay-Z drop. I heard y'all trying y'all was trying to get that drop.
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Wasn't happening, bro. [laughter] I got I got one. I got mine, bro. I
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said, "Oh, yeah. How, bro?" Like, yo, I interviewed So, okay. Okay. All
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right. Okay. Check this out. So, I did a Jay Jay did an event. I can't remember.
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It was probably promoting the album or whatever. After the event, um, I had to
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get a picture, man. I was like, I had to get a picture, right? Mhm. So, so straight up, I asked him for a
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drop and he gave me a drop. Boy, that was a great day. But here's the thing. I used to uh I
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used to rap heavy, too, right? So, so I flipped it. I tried to get a I
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tried to get a drop for my group. Yeah. A double whammy, right? Like Yeah. Right.
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And his exact words was, "Can I get Paul? I'm I'mma pause. I'mma pause,
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Jay." Yeah. Can I get a piece of that? Because I guess just, you know,
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if I'mma keep shing out everything like y'all giving me 50% of this. Yeah. Yeah. Word.
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That's what he was saying. And I was like, "Yeah." All right. Never mind. Yeah. I'm doing too much. Yeah. Yeah.
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But yeah, that was a that was a good moment. Good moment. Yeah. But Jay Jay is notorious
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for not doing drops. Notorious. I asked Guru that day. I said, "Yo, you think Jay would do a picture with me?"
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He was like, "You're not getting a picture. It's not happening, bro. It was like, let me let me look look. Okay, let me
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Okay, look. I'm not trying to make you feel bad, but I When Jay-Z did Picasso, baby, I was the only one that got a
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picture with Jay that day. That's crazy, bro. Like, I think Jay likes all hip-hop.
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Yo, listen. Yeah, I was gonna say Chuck Chuck being modest. This man was on a panel with Jay-Z for You remember when
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Colin Kaepernick kne took the knee at the Super Bowl? He was in a room. He was only in one of
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those exclusive rooms, whether it was Jay-Z, uh, Chuck, Roger, like only like
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what you be doing, bro. Like, show me how to move to where this thing. Yeah,
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Jay-Z knows him on a firstname basis. He calls him Chuck. Chuck,
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this is documented. This is on camera, so he's being modest, but not for nothing, man. Chuck is the is the is the
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official He's one of the official voices for hip-hop. For hip-hop, period. Oh,
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so if you want a drop from Jay-Z, tell him your name is Chuck,
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right? Yeah. Tell say Chuck. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Right.
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Yeah. Don't get the accolades he deserve. But he's he's all these people that you know
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this. Did I mention this man has a song with Coogi rap? You heard me. He has a record with Coogi rap.
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It's not about me though. Bro, has anybody ever told you you give off like a Saigon kind of feel? Bro,
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I never heard that. But that's the homie. Real [ __ ] bro. I'm not even bullshitting.
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And Coogi rap is a goat. Coogi rap is a goat. See, see the difference with the difference with me and Chuck, a lot of
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people they they do commentary now or they do commentary, but they're doing it from a spectators. We're involved. We
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participated in hip-hop. We're not spectators of it. Most of these podcasters, they're special. They know nothing about it.
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They never participated. They never done nothing. They're not on Billboard. They never produced nobody. They never helped
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nobody. They never signed nobody. Never got nobody signed. They are not credible. They never done anything. They're just They're just
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spectators. Like, you done won like DJ Global DJ two years in a row and [ __ ] like
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Definitely. Definitely. I'm telling people like, man, I got I got a mixtape for one of the best DJs
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in the world. Like DJ Red Alert rock with my mans like is you [ __ ] and that's my idol. Red Alert is my Red
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Alert is a real DJ. Like that's why I seen Red Alert just be like this dude
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is nice. That meant everything to me to have. Yeah. When my joint
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listen two people told me I was nice and nobody else mattered. J God bless the dead. I DJ
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God bless J. He stopped the music and said yo this kid is nice. I don't know who he is but he's nice. Yeah,
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that was Jam Master J said that you to the moon. What can you tell me? You can't tell me
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facts. You know what I mean? And sometimes that's all you need, man. You just need to hear from some of your
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grace and you don't need nothing else. Just tell me you recognize my my work,
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right? And that's why I had to jump out the window to let know like now I get busy too. If he ain't going to tell you,
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you know, cuz I told people I extended my hand for him to be seen and help him
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get there, then I'mma have to jump out the window and, you know what I mean? Let him know that I get busy.
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Now, hold up. This is the DJ in me now. The mixtape DJ me. Do you got any unreleased cold from back in the days
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before you? Nah. Nah. I didn't mess with him musically. Yeah. Yeah. Not saying he wasn't nice, but it was like Yeah. I was
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on my own. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll say this. You know, we always
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do this, me and Thorough. I hope y'all work it out. I hope it somehow comes back together and the piece can be made
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and I mean, maybe something else that could come out of it, man. You know,
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we we all a rare breed. You know what I'm saying? That's a fact. That's a fact. Shout out to Cole in this album. You know what I'm
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saying? Let it keep doing good, but let that song and let our thing keep jumping, too. Right now, Chuck, I don't know if you're
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asking this. What's the end all? What would you like to see happen from all of this? What's going on right now? What
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would you like right now? The biggest thing I want to see happen is him live up to that fade that he talking about publicly.
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Okay. No joke. Like I'm not even gonna let him live that down. When you caught out some men on some man [ __ ] then we gonna have
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to screw back. But we're going to do it publicly since you said it publicly, right? If you talking to me,
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if if and um and back to this, can I just say one thing, a couple shout outs before we
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get up out of here? Y shout out to my man Carolina Cool Slim. Shout out to Ohe J Pilot on the track.
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Shout out to Traffic 910 Traffic. Shout out to 910 Rain. Um, shout out to Cast
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TV. And, um, shout out to the whole, the whole 26, man. Word up. We going to rock
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it like that. And shout out to Thorough. Shout out to All Hip Hop, man. I appreciate you a million times, man.
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Word up. I do. And anytime you need me, you let me know. All right.
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All right. All right.
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