Bump Beef. Where’s The Battle???

Generally speaking, commentary on the follies and foibles of rappers is best left for others. Those of us in an editorial position come too close to the subjects at hand and, in my opinion, actually share a mutual need with the artists we profile. To be heard.

But, as of late, I can’t seem to keep my own personal commentary at bay. You see, lately, well, there have been some major mis-steps in the community. Things like:

Bottles thrown during brawls over babes. Bustin’ off bullets at each other. Bangin’ like this is still 1993 in South Central or something. Oh, brother.

And this isn’t in the ‘hood! This is in the rap game!

I’m tired of beef. Actual beef – the meat – I gave up eating in 2000, and it’s been a good, 12-year long, clearer colon sort of ride. I highly suggest not eating it, or at least cutting back. But the other beef? Rap beef? I’m tired of that, too. Especially when it seems fruitless, especially to those of us who would pick beef as the absolute last thing on Earth we’d want if we had adoring fans, millions of dollars, and pretty much whatever toys we desired in life.

Still, in the midst of the opulence and blessings and fame, there’s time for people to reach into their literal “street bags” and possibly pull out literal weapons on one another. The incident in New York a few weeks ago, the strip club shooting in Houston after that, the Yo Gotti concert shooting, and back in March, when I saw more beef than enough as we all converged on SXSW – it was all baffling.

In the words of the Old Negro spiritual, with all of their wealth and impact on pop culture, haven’t rappers already “overcome?” So, what’s the beef about?

Now, let’s not get it twisted. I know men and their testosterone. Shoot, I know some women with too much testosterone. I understand fully that rap, from its very foundation, was built on competition and who’s better-than-who, and I actually love nothing more than a good lyrical lashing from one MC to another.

And, I like it even more when no one gets hurt in the end. Well, except for a bruised ego and a crushed reputation.

So, I ask, where the hell is the battle in rap anymore???

We’re seeing people like Canibus (who I really think a lot of as an artist overall) being pummeled in a Pay-Per-View battle by a relative no-name. We’re witnessing the era of sub-disses on songs and sub-tweets and Facebook arguments between rappers that have to be solved by $100-an-hour PR specialists and gangs of ex-bouncer bodyguards. We’re watching as people get hurt needlessly in the name of crew love and groupie love…and little love for Hip-Hop.

I want the battle back! I want mugs to keep it in the booth, and say recklessly clever and outrightly outlandish stuff back and forth to each other. And, they should fight it out by one-upping each other with wit, wordsmithing, and Wu-like weaponry. And when there is the threat of real trouble, someone like Rev. Al or Rev Run or Chuck D can help work it out.

And we, the listening audience, can be the judge of whose beef is bigger (whoa there). So, seriously, get your battle weight up, guys.

Lastly, to rap up my rant, we were in the AllHipHop offices last week, listening to an oldie-but-greatie from 1991 by Tim Dog (look him up, kiddies) called “F*ck Compton”. With his menacing look and booming voice, he was GOING IN MERCILESSLY on Compton and certain members of N.W.A. We sat in the office listening last week like, “Dayyyyyuuuummm! Now that’s beef.”

By today’s standards, that song could possibly cost him his life. But it didn’t. From what we heard, some people talked to some people who basically told Tim to chill – but no one died, and quite frankly, I think his opponents (who I love to this day) got fried with that song…

…in the booth. Where the battle reigns supreme, and no beef is allowed.

Seandra Sims is’s Editor-At-Large. She actually likes beef, but only in the right context. Follow her on Twitter (@SeandraSims).

  • rep87

    Promoting ignorance and having young men and women fighting over silly rumors is the worst you can do to try and save hiphop you are doing a Disservice to our youth and with out hiphop AHH is DEAD While Tim Dog career went into the toilet the rest of NWA members soared to the top Movies and many awards Tim Dog has been reduce to running scams and going to jail but this hiphop site want beef why not promote ways to get jobs and education , fight crime ,Nobody cares about two rappers talking bout each other

    • He’s not promoting beef, he’s promoting competition which has always been a part of hip hop. It’s unfortunate that too many artists (and fans) don’t know the difference between battle rapping and beefing.

      • Yeah, but in reality, a Battle is an adversarial relationship.

        Take KRS-ONE, in a battle, swinging on him is the only chance to win & in reality, that isn’t much of a chance either.

        AHH should have Pay Per View battles.  Host them.

        Give MC’s the forum to flow, instead of reasons for punching to throw.

      • rep87

        Thanks for educating this guy in the real difference in Rap Battle and Beef

      • Educating me? LOL, you guys aren’t serious. Of course a battle is an adversarial relationship thats implicit in the word, but not every adversarial relationship leads to blows or bullets. A tennis match is a competition between two adversaries and the vast majority of those end without violence. Hip-Hop has lost it’s sense of competition because people like you continue to equate battling with beefing. Battles happen on records, beefs happen in the street, big difference.

      • rep87

        Tim Dog was not looking for a rap battle and AHH is not promoting a rap battle AHH is searching for someone to pull a gun and bring negitive impact to blow up a dying rap game wake up and read what my man below wrote allso

    • Casor_Greener

      He did crush NWA though.  Forget who wining now, they got murdered back then.

  • OnlyFaDaReal

    Youtube Lil Neek/Spend the Night. Dis dude is truely talented and has rap skillz!! Mainstream rappers take notes!!!

  • KingsCountyCrooklyn

    wow, haven’t heard this track in a long time T-Dog went in but his west coast Rivals prevailed in promoting the gangster rap which went from underground to mainstream and new york gangs also got on the fighting for colors stuff. to me its all going 360 degrees because older cats from the 90s are dissing the younger MCs today for not being focused on lyrical content but when you think about it their on a more commercial / party tip like a lot of the MCs from the 80s and early 90s.

  • ccwaterbound32

    battling is cool but these days nobody really wants to f*ck with that no more especially after what went down between pac and big aint nobody went it heavily since nas and jay z, besides we got wayyyyyyyyyy too much s*it to deal with than to battle another person over how great they are. we need some great records with a message or just some great party jams with a message behind it. personally….big krit we buy gold…check it out!

  • Being from the Boogie Bang, I had to roll with Tim Dog, but that “Crush Ice Cubes & Cool Ice T”  was uncalled for.

    In reality, Cube & T are role models, even if they always were.

    Still & all, YEAH! , Tim Dog either ed them both, fast forward 20yrs?  Who is winning?

    • immackulate

      man tim dog aint either shyt …

  • CaliTransplant

     I believe you both are misinterpreting the posts because what I’m reading, you are saying the same things..

    Shit, every rap beef had the potential to be violent though. T.I. vs Flip (in fact it did, but not sure who won their supposed fistfight; i’m gonna assume Tip cause Flip has all but vanished after it allegedly happened.) Cube vs. NWA, Kane vs. Rakim, Jay vs. DMX, LL vs. Ice-T, Lyte vs. Antoinette, The Roxannes, lol hell all of them.

    • immackulate

      nall TI aint win that fight … matter fact him and flip never even got to throw hands … TI looked like the aggressor by coming to H-TOWN but he got snuffed by one of flips guy’s right when he was headed for the SQUARE – then shots fired and the crowd dispersed – he was just the better rapper witht he the most concrete background out of the two … and the truth always prevails

  • Bumpy Johnson

    id like to see someone come up with a song sayin “F*** atlanta” thats how alot of east coast niggas feel anywayz but scared to say it

    • digitallife

      Scared of what? Bright colors and party promoters? lol


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