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EXCLUSIVE – 21 Questions with Big Meech Part Two: Crack Laws, Obama, and the Jeezy Connection

In Part One of AllHipHop.com’s exclusive interview with Black Mafia Family (BMF) boss Demetrius “Big Meech” Flenory, he shared his thoughts on the origins of BMF, what he felt his prison sentence should have been, and his thoughts on his iconic status.

In Part Two, Big Meech discusses his thoughts on “Blowing Money Fast,” his relationship with Young Jeezy, and what his days are like inside Lewisburg U.S. Penitentiary, Special Management Unit:

AllHipHop.com: Mandatory sentencing disparities recently changed under President Obama. Any thoughts?

Big Meech: (LOL) Yeah, they changed the crack law twice in 24 years, and it still only helped a few people. We are grateful for the ones that it has helped, but all of the drug laws need to be changed, especially for first-time, non-violent offenders. Everyone deserves a second chance in life. Powder and crack are the same drug in different form. You put 15 grams of baking soda on 35 grams of powder cocaine, then cook the 15 grams of baking soda off to bring it to a rock form of 35 grams or less, depending on how you cook. So, what’s the difference besides the thousand years the judge is going to sentence you to in court for the crack instead of powder? The government knows that crack is sold in predominately Black and Hispanic neighborhoods, so that’s who their targets are to keep the incarceration rate up.

AllHipHop.com: What are your thoughts on the president?

Big Meech: First, I’m thankful that God blessed me to live and see our first Black president. I feel that the president before him made one big mess of America that it is impossible for Obama to clean it up, even if he gets a second term. I feel that all the stimulus packages in the world won’t revamp our economy, if we can’t create new jobs or new ways to make money. Violence is high in most of our Black cities and communities because our children have no guidance or people that they respect enough to listen to at home or in the community.

Hopefully, President Obama will take the time to look out for his people before he leaves office. Bush pardoned the most people ever before he left office, which included John Forte who did seven years of a 14-year prison sentence. I’m not looking for a pardon, although I would take it if he did it for me. I would love to see him change all the drug laws which are too severe and extreme for this day and age. If you look at all the fathers and mothers serving lengthy prison sentences, elderly grandparents are raising their young children. The gap between the children and their grandparents is so far apart that communication and understanding between them is almost impossible. So, there’s a lot of hostility and disrespect between young people and elderly people. Other than that, I think President Obama and his family handle being in the spotlight and the scrutiny that comes with that office very well.

AllHipHop.com: What are your thoughts on prisons in America?

Big Meech: We have the highest incarceration rate in the entire world, over three million people and counting. America is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave. Prison is nowhere near the rehabilitation place the justice system claims it is. They mix nonviolent inmates with violent inmates. Some people come in with three or four years, and end up with 20 or more years, or a life sentence simply because they had to protect themselves. Any and everything can send you to jail or prison in America, and that’s not always the right answer. They need to bring back 65 percent (time served of time sentenced) and parole for federal inmates. In the state of Georgia, you do 35 percent of your time if your crime is non-iolent or drug related. The feds are taking over so many state cases, that people who would’ve gotten probation or county jail time are now getting six years or more.

AllHipHop.com: Describe what your day is like?

Big Meech: (LMFAO). I have to laugh at this question to keep from crying, but trust me, I’m crying inside. I’ve been in the hold on ’23 and 1′ [23 hours in cell and one hour out per day] since June 2011. This SMU sh*t is like a torture camp for real. First, showers are only on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Both me and my celly have to cuff up whether one of us is leaving to go to rec, shower, or medical, or if both of us are leaving. Everywhere we go, our hands are in black box handcuffs behind our back with a C.O. holding our cuffs, walking with us. I’m always trying to get out of my handcuffs first because you never know when your celly may have a bad day and jump you while you still have your cuffs on.

There’s three or four fights or stabbings daily, especially since it’s hot. If you disobey them, you’ll get a heavy dose of tear gas, which has the whole building choking and coughing, eyes burning. Then they’ll put you in restraints handcuffed extra tight with a chain around your waist, shackled. I’ve heard grown men cry crocodile tears from their hands swelling and nerve damage from the cuffs. If that’s not enough, they have another form of punishment called “Four Points” where they put you on your back chained around both ankles and wrists in a very cold room with the lights on. Everyone who reads this should look up Lewisburg SMU online and read about the deaths, disfigurements, and inhumane conditions and brutality that goes on in here. So, my days are like a living hell.

AllHipHop.com: How is your family coping?

Big Meech: My family is handling my incarceration the best way that they can, but it’s very hard on my mother and father. My father went to prison for 18 months for money laundering, and both their sons got 30-year sentences which, at their age, seem like life sentences. I’ve been in the worst mood of my bid because my father is in a lot of pain due to diabetes and may have to have both of his legs cut off. I can’t even make a phone call to speak to him or anyone for that matter. I get so frustrated and agitated at times. I have a really strong family bond, so when one of us is going through it, it’s like all of us is going through it.

AllHipHop.com: Do you still talk to Young Jeezy?

Big Meech: I haven’t been able to talk to anyone on the phone for the last five months. The last time I spoke to him was near the end of last year.

AllHipHop.com: How do you feel about his success?

Big Meech: Being the person largely responsible for his success, I’ve always and always will be proud of his success. I would never wish or hope or his downfall for any reasons. I just personally feel that he could do more abut helping me to regain my freedom in a timely fashion, with his success and the position he is in right now in life. For example, [he could say] ‘I could not rest knowing he has a 30-year sentence for a first-time, nonviolent offender. I’m meeting with every reputable attorney in America until I can find one that can at least get him a sentence reduction, if not bring him home…’

…but that’s me and the love I have for him and the majority of people in my B.M.F. family. To be honest, I get ask so many questions about him – from C.O.’s to convicts to random people in the mail – some of which I have no answers for, ’cause for me to have the answers to most of the questions, I would have to have an excuse which there is “NO EXCUSE.”

AllHipHop.com: What do you think of Rick Ross making the song “B.M.F.”?

Big Meech: Actually, I appreciate all of the music that Rick Ross and MMG has put out period. But in 2010, when I first heard my name repeatedly in the “B.M.F.” song, I was like, “Damn, that’s hot.” And it’s a hit. To this day, he has people from all over the world saying, “I think I’m Big Meech,” which is a priceless way of recognizing and paying homage to me and the B.M.F. family. We all have 100% love for Ross and MMG. I think he is a helluva artist and mogul.

AllHipHop.com: Does it bother you that he was once a corrections officer?

Big Meech: (LMAO). I think this question is old and irrelevant, because I have friends and family that are C.O.’s. I’ve ran across some good men and women C.O.’s. I think that Ross is a great example of being a dreamer and dreams coming true, just from what I know about him being with Suave House and writing rhymes and rapping and for all the years he stuck with it. And now he has built a brand and an empire. So the answer is no, it doesn’t bother me that he was a C.O. It would only bother me if he was a “rat.”

AllHipHop.com: Or that he is in a fight with “Freeway Ricky Ross” for the use of his name?

Big Meech: I know “Freeway” but I’ve never spoken to him about his name, but in my opinion, if I felt that we had to get an understanding about the use of my name, then we would arrange a meeting at everyone’s convenience in a comfortable environment not a courtroom. I personally don’t see anything wrong with him using the name. I think he made the Rick Ross name popular and positive; it would be great and more beneficial if they did some charity events together instead of some senseless feud.

AllHipHop.com: Would you ever permit an aspiring rapper to use your name?

Big Meech: I wouldn’t have a problem with it as long as he’s good at his craft, especially if he’s as successful as Rick Ross and 50 Cent. Both of those men made their names worldwide household brands, and I respect both of their grinds to success. They both are very blessed, whether they realize it or not.

AllHipHop.com: Is it possible that you could come home?

Big Meech: I have an out-date where I could come home one day, but I’m not trying to wait until the “Elroy Jetson” date of 2032 that the BOP has given me. If some of these political figures, ACLU, or NAACP would speak up and stand up for me, which would put my unjust 30-year plea deal in the spotlight, I probably would’ve been home three or four years ago. Those types of people only seem to speak up once one of us has been killed, then it’s too late. If enough people come together with voting power, I could see a change in my sentence or come home, just like when Russell Simmons helped change the RICO law in New York.

AllHipHop.com: How do you keep your sanity?

Big Meech: I’ve been through so much in my lifetime to make me the strong-minded man that I am. They can’t break what they didn’t create, so I stay focused on the future and being free again. I try to stay in tune with what’s going on in the world today in music, entertainment, technology, and sports, just to feel like I’m still up on everything. But for real, I refuse to lose anything more than the time I have already lost that I can never get back. They can’t undo what I’ve already done and they can’t change or erase my memories and history. I know I have more life ahead of me than behind me so like I said in my letter on MySpace in 2006, “Nothing beats the trials of the present like the EXPECTATIONS of the future.”

  • CanYouAllHearMe

    Why do the black community act like this guy is some sort of god and role model he sold drugs and now is locked up big deal get over it

    • Because he is a role model, he’s a role model of what not to do. I believe he needs to be remembered in that capacity. Not remembered as the drug dealer that made millions, he needs to be remembered as the Human (not even black guy), but the human that sold drugs, and is doing 30 years in Fed and will most likely not attend his parents funerals, children’s graduation, grand children’s births. Worse case scenario he gone be in prison if the world ends December 21st (lol). But he most certainly is a role model, DONT BE LIKE THIS GUY.

    • They act like he’s a God because when he was getting money he shared that shit with everybody. I live in Atl and ppl love him here cause they be like man whenever Meech was around he would buy the bars out or throw $100,000 in the club or stuff like that. He just showed love as you can see in this interview..no shade thrown at nobody

      • Pan-African

        And you call that love?..smh

    • marcus wallace

      The same reason white people worship George Washington for selling hemp alcohol as well as owning slaves he started with nothing n ended up with a lot and his son is still going to private schools and riding in nice cars thats why. My question is why r ignorant white people the ones who have the most to say about drug policy the first centi millionaire in this country John Jacob Astor sold opium to poor Asians but people don’t stop going to the Waldorf Astoria do they why to people go to sites like this to purposely disagree with whatever point someone is trying to make pre judging but upset when u call them prejudice .Get a life really if u don’t like black people grow some balls say it and stop coming to sites aimed at that demographic.

    • realposter

      Because the “black community” is stupid. Hardworking black people don’t respect these dudes… Just like hardworking Italians don’t like the “real” Mafia…

  • How did the rapper Rick Ross take the name and make it positive, when he raps about being a drug boss? The main reason he uses the stage name Rick Ross is to bolster up the image of Drug King Pin rapper.

    • Choppaliss

      positive meaning he doesnt actually do it , its only entertainment, the other Rick Ross well ………. u know that story

  • OaklandOxymoron

    The relationship between him and Jeezy irritates street niccas because it appears that Jeezy is committing the cardinal sin: turning your back on the person who helped make you who you are. Theres NO EXCUSE for Jeezy not to be lobbying for at least a retrial for his friend. No reason why he shouldn’t be helping his appeal, at the very least indirectly.

    • FOLK103

      it is jeezy could had done time if he didnt stay lowkey look the feds still bringing his name up smh one lil mistake and jeezy wouldnt be here where he is today ..and as far as meech being one off the biggest lords doesnt he have more people than jeezy to handle his shit

      • OaklandOxymoron

        Jeezy couldnve been indicted but he wasn’t, for whatever reason. I don’t think the complaint from Meech is that Jeezy won’t handle everything. I think hes saying he should do SOMETHING. Obviously he feels jeezy us totally distancing himself from Meechim but hes saying at the very least use your influence to speak out against my sentence. I’m sure the people who could ve done something for Meech probably have but considering that his whole crew got indicted I’m sure there weren’t too many people capable of doing much, except for the man who remained free and used the BMF stamp for his career

    • $18592567

      Jeezy ain’t tryna do no time behind BMF. Plain and simple. All his actions dictate that and he lookin @ them dudes like they’re done already. He’s moving on w/his life in his mind, but @ the same time u right; streets are lookin’ @ Jeezy sideways and that been goin’ on for years already. Pimp C interview.

  • Nemo Hos

    Big ups to mech and lol I kno about the 23 hr 1 hr outside…bird bath and all dat…i looked at my lil bid as a learning lesson…just stay up and keep getting at the lawyers…u already kno what them pigs and honkies want…$$$$$$$

  • jsj23

    It’s funny how this guy Meech seems more articulate, informed and better opinionated then most of the people outside of jail and college professors I have met.

    • FOLK103

      how is it funny he is a smart guy

  • 0_BMF_MADE_NIGGA_0

    WORDS FROM THA BEST TO EVA DO IT…..FREE THA LION….BO$$ JR…ILL PE$CI….
    TITO D….THROBEEZY….J-ROC & THE REST WHO KEPT QUIET….NOW THE WHOLE INDUSTRY WANNA COATTAIL THA MOBB…..”HOLLERIN OUT YALL MAKE IT RAIN WITHOUT SAYIN MY BROS NAME”…..YALL NIGGAZ OWE AN ITS TIME TO PAY UP…..JEEZY TOO….HE KNO THE DEAL….SHOUTS OUT TO ALL MY MOBB NIGGAZ ACROSS THA GLOBE, STAYIN TRU TO THIS THANG OF OURZ AND SHOWIN NIGGAZ HOW TO BE MEN….#WESTILLHERE……DB4D……4LIFE4DEATH4EVER
    LONG LIVE THA GREATE$T $HOW ON EARTH…AFTA US THERE WILL BE NO OTHA!!!
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ THA WORLD IS STILL BMF’S $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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  • Nemesis_Enforcer

    Who are our hero’s?

  • $28825362

    Instead of showing this guy in a suit behind a desk why not put up a photo of what he was wearing when you did the interview with him.

  • Meech sound like a smart dude. He should have just left those drugs alone! Smh….

  • STEPHEN BATISTE

    sclass from bmf checking in. check out that shinning like money fea big meech and bmf’s producer sclass with his artist mr tan. free all the bmf homies. jabo, weezy, and southwest T rip baby bleu and wade county. for bmf beats email. sclassbeats@gmail.com. what up bleu welcome home!!!

    • 0_BMF_MADE_NIGGA_0

      S-Class wha it do cuzz….no stopping the greatest show on earth….4life4death4ever

  • 7yoyo7

    Fcuk Meech and fcuk BMF!
    Any ni99a reppin a crew like this is OBVIOUSLY NOT FROM THE HOOD! There is nothing cool about flossin diamonds by puttin’ dope fiends in the hood!

    And they did NOT bring anything relevant to hip-hop neither.

    • 0_BMF_MADE_NIGGA_0

      ^^^^^ square as a box chevy….obviously u dunno wha the fucc u talkin bout lil nigga

      • 7yoyo7

        Right…. Because you are a “BMF MADE NI99A”….. Pretty busy on the internet uh?

      • 0_BMF_MADE_NIGGA_0

        u sound white

      • 7yoyo7

        Unfortunately I’m blacker than you Internet BMF gangsta ni99a….

      • 0_BMF_MADE_NIGGA_0

        215 comments?? lmao….an im the internet head? stay in school…corny ass goofball blogger…..#NerdyWhiteNetHead

      • 7yoyo7

        Done with school, got my own company and making my own money.
        However, I aint the kind of ni99a who is gonna act like I’m part of BMF on the net…

        My hood is Castle Hill Projects, Bronx. Ask for Buddha and you’ll see if I’m white “BMF Gangsta”…

      • 0_BMF_MADE_NIGGA_0

        an while u brawdcastin live from the same bum ass project stoop u grew up on, niggaz like me are gettin money and workin the map….gettin it how we live….Atl To Tha D AN KC To LA with HOMES in ery state u simple nigga….and its BMF at all times whetha on the net or LIVE in ya face…rememba that shit mr Castle Hill…like yo jects sposed to mean sumn…
        BMF4LIFE4DEATH…$$$ THA WORLD IS STILL BMFs $$$$$$

      • 7yoyo7

        Riiiiight…. You prolly just loved picturing yourself partying with them BMF ni99as… Homes in every state? OK….

        My hood aint supposed to mean something… Please send your BMF “rich buying houses” homies here. But I guess your reply is gonna be something like “I’m pushing keys all over the country ni99a! I don’t have time to waste with you. I just bought myself a new yacht in EVERY STATE ni99a”.
        Oh, I almost forgot “BMF4LIFE4DEATH FREE MITCH Money money money BLEU DAVINCI = Best rapper in the BMF world”.

      • realposter

        somebody sounds white because they don’t support drug dealers?

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  • Bumpy Johnson

    Big meech failed to mention that Rick ross didnt say he was a C.O but denied it numerous times and that is where he started to lose respect.

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  • Carlos TheKing Lawrence

    Meech is obvioiusly a very intelligent and driven man. He made his mistakes and hes paying for them. however i feel as though hes paying too much for a non violent first time offender. He had already realized what he was doing wasnt the best thing and he was making the proper steps to turn his life around and leave his Drug King Pin lilfe behind. The problem is the pollice dont want to see u doing anything positive. as soon as he went legit thats when they brought up charges. I would like to see his sentence reduced to at least half and when he got out start a campaign educating young men and women on the negative side of the drug game. Meech is an example of a brilliant mind used for the wrong things. He could have been anything in the world but some how ended up on the wrong path. We all make mistakes. Why should his cost him his life?

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  • Nonpartisan

    What it’s not like the CIA allowed planes filled with cocaine to come to the united states to fund the contras so they could buy weapons and overthrow their gov’t. That doesn’t change the fact that inner city people like big meech were opportunistic exploited and caused havoc, violence and death in their own communities. But if they’re serving time while other more sinister gov’t employees are walking free we’re not really doing anything to fix the problem. Now we’re giving guns to the Mexican drug cartels who are killing each other over drug traffic routs into the united states. Americas appetite for drugs and propensity for violence will only get worse as the economy keeps going down and big brother get’s bigger and is successful with gun bans. Wake up people! It’s about control.

  • My comment is about the Young Jeezy response that he gave. Personally no ones ultimately responsible for Jeezys success but God & Jeezy out here working hard & staying relevant & giving the people his talent & His heart. This is the road that God had for Jeezy @ no man can take credit for that. As far as Jeezy meeting every lawyer etc.. We as people have the right to choose our battles & if that’s not what he chooses to do.. It doesn’t make him unloyal or any less a man. And the fact that Meech is saying on paper he wouldn’t have done anything different or made different choices.. That gives a lawyer little to work with. Personally I feel his sentence is unfair and he shouldn’t be there for 30 years… I just felt he shouldn’t have spoke anything negative about Jeezy cause we must remember because a person doesn’t do what u want them to do doesn’t make them wrong disloyal..

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