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Ice-T vs Soulja Boy: What Does It Really Mean? 
Published Saturday, June 21, 2008 12:20 PM
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By Illseed

When Ice-T called out Soulja Boy, I knew it was going to quickly spiral and degrade into something completely unproductive for Hip-Hop. So let us examine briefly and then engage in some productive dialogue.


Earlier in the week, 50-year-old Ice-T boldly released a viral video where he said, “F**k Soulja Boy! Eat a d**k!” The words were in part promotion for a new mixtape with DJ Cisco, but the words rang true for many in Hip-Hop – older and younger.


Between the lines:


“This n***a single handedly killed Hip Hop. That s**t is such garbage man. We came all the way from Rakim, we came all the way from Das EFX, we came all the way from mother f***ers flowing like Big Daddy Kane and Ice Cube, and you come with that Superman shit? That s**t is garbage.”



See the video below:




Here are some things that Ice-T neglected to mention.


-Back in the days, there were scores of “garbage” rap artists and knock-offs. These acts ranged from Run DMC rip offs to MC Hammer splinter acts. Garbage is a long-standing tradition in Hip-Hop as with most art forms.


-The Sugar Hill Gang rapped about Superman in 1979 and frankly their lyrics were quite “corny” too, but the song remains one timeless gem. Also remember, the lyrics from the song were stolen from the well-respected Grandmaster Caz of the Cold Crush Brothers by S.H.G. member “Big Bank” Hank.


-An old head and successful producer named Mr. Collipark (aka DJ Smurf) is the man that really brought Soulja Boy to the masses when he signed him. Collipark has also had a hand in the success of Hurricane Chris (who Ice-T name checked) and other similar artists.


Then came 17-year-old Soulja Boy, with revenge in his eyes and a pocket full of disrespectful jokes.


See the video of Soulja Boy exacting his vengeance on his elder:



Here are the comments that most people are paying attention to:


"This n***a Ice T old as f--k, this n***a old enough to be my grandfather, he's the forefather of my nuts...we wikipedia'd this n***a and this n***a was born in 1958.”


“Real talk this ain't no beef, n***a. Hit me, n***a, and your arm gonna break. Real talk, I’ll let you fight my grand daddy, dog.”


Like the Ice-T part about S.B. “killing Hip-Hop,” Here is what I got from Soulja Boy:


“You was wrong for that. Think about it in my shoes. This time last year I was poor as f**k. I was in the hood, I was in the ghetto. If what you [were] living is true, you would understand where I’m coming from…I’m 17 years old, I worked hard for this s**t. Even if I got all this off one song, you should be congratulating me. Real talk, you should be telling me congratulations young brother, get your money. That’s what you should be saying, instead of 'eat a d**k.'”


Emotions and communication.


For all of their ability to put words together, rappers have yet to effectively communicate with each other. The root of this matter is these are two Hip-Hoppers from two very different eras. Ice-T was correct. Soulja Boy doesn’t come close to the artists he mentioned from a lyrical perspective. Yet, the kid is 17 years old and really, these days, Hip-Hop teens aren’t as engaged in the same ways that they were back in the days. The 80’s and part of the 90’s yielded a certain consciousness. Did Soulja Boy kill Hip-Hop? No.


Does Ice-T’s age really matter? Have you seen the 47-year-old rapper? (Click here for that!) What about a live Public Enemy show for rappers Chuck D and Flavor Flav, aged 47 and 49 respectively. They have a show Soulja Boy can’t compare to even with the cute dance. African Americans and Hip-Hop heads always want to limit an artist’s growth and tell him when to stop. The Rolling Stones, The Red Hot Chilli Peppers and other rockers are antiques and relics and yet they fill stadiums to this day, cherished by their fan base.


The older generation can’t forget where they came from. Ice-T was in a video for a rapper named Joe Ski Love, who made a song called “The Pee Wee Herman.” In hindsight, it was fairly “corny” and campy – and we love it. He was also in a wack movie called “Breakin.’” We love it, Turbo and Ozone. When it’s all said and done, we’ll look back on “Crank Dat” with some affection too.


The younger nation has to remember, they will need the wisdom of older heads to maximize their own growth. Ice-T has seen it all, been through it all and has insight on the music game that a Soulja Boy can’t pay for. From the early days, to the life experience to the censorship matters, he’s actually paved the way for these younger rappers.


We can’t make the same mistakes as the “Civil Rights” age group and create an irreparable gap. Let's respect each other. Fact is, Ice-T has no less than five classic albums (Solo and rock) and a TV and film resume to kill for. Admit it or not, Soulja Boy wants those accolades.


That’s all have to say…now let’s talk about it.


PS: For fun, here is the Joe Ski Love’s Pee Wee Herman video. Classic!



Comments

 

fonkyfreshwestcoast said:

ice-t need to ease up.I cant stand that superman shit but let a lil nigga eat.people gonna bump garbage regardless cant be mad at dude for sellin it.if hip hop survived the pee wee herman, woop there it is and walk it out then the superman cant kill it.
June 21, 2008 12:35 PM
 

IkonRadio.com said:

Good Job on this one Illseed.

I think that Ice-T was reaching a lil' bit and I expected Soulja Boy to react the way he did.

But as far as the age thing...Hip Hop is a fairly new genre. With rock, jazz, classical, blues, and other genres of music dating back 50+years at minimum, hip hop is still in its adolescent form as a genre. In saying that, those of us who grew up on the "old school" formula are constantly seeking substance in a record. The problem with that is those who provide (in my eyesight) quality substance are more seasoned veterans who are seeking retirement because of the new trends set and adored by younger fans. Now can a 47 year old rapper sell 2 million records in a market that is ruled by suburban teenage kids? He would have to already have a name and even then, it would be a very difficult task. The younger rappers can relate to the younger fans. I'm not a teenager so I don't relate to records that they relate to. But I did buy the latest Jay-Z, Talib, Common, etc.

Let them have their lane.

Rhythm and Blues has provided foreshadow of what is to come because of the age split. R&B has a thing going on we might as well get used to. When my mom says she listens to R&B, she's talking about Gerald Levert and guys of that nature. Not Omarion and Chris Brown. Two different markets. Normally a 46 year old woman isn't listening to the younger R&B fellows. As rappers and fans mature, they won't listen to content they would have previously. Rest assured though as younger fans listen, younger artists will provide them with their music.
June 21, 2008 12:35 PM
 

MAK™ said:

LMAO!!!!!!!!! MAKES NO FRICKIN SENSE FOR GRAND DAD AND GRAND SON TO EXCHANGE WORDS... GRAND DAD SHOULD KNOW BETTER THO...

http://www.myspace.com/crackproductions

-MAK-
June 21, 2008 12:38 PM
 

MAK™ said:

ICE T LOSES THIS ONE...

http://www.marketamerica.com/tiamanya/

-MAK-
June 21, 2008 12:38 PM
 

abgtypenigga504 said:

get money keep shittin on them niggas
June 21, 2008 12:44 PM
 

coughdrop said:

I mean i am no big fan of souljah boy but it speaks volumes to the way he handle himself compared to ice-t ice -t is too  old to engage in "corner"talk with a 18 year old kid .what we should do is make records and money together Hip Hop is the only music where it destroys itself and does not acknowledge there past,present and future.do you see usher and michael jackson beefing over bs? micheal jackson knows that usher is not on his level nor justin timberlake but he gives them a nod of respect  to say yeah i see you trying to be  me.   just make your money and do it right .hip hop needs to grow up in all aspects creatively .mentally,and emotionaly because the words of another old school head michael ray richardson "the ship be sinking"with all this disrespect going back and forth.
June 21, 2008 12:46 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

Thats wassup Illseed I dont think Ice T was right comin at the young cat the way he did, he is only 17 why did he have to be so harsh? I don't think Crank Dat Soulja Boy was meant for adults, my kids love that song and that's who listens to his music any dayum way. I agree with Soulja Boy, he is way too old for that shit and he should be ashamed for comin at a teen like that. If anything he should be attackin these grown ass men out here puttin out these corny ass songs!!! Soulja Boy didn't single handedly kill hip hop, all the wack ass corny songs that came out before he was even born did that!!!!
June 21, 2008 12:47 PM
 

ladyof70s said:

Well I want to start off by saying Ice-T should be ashamed of hisself. Hip Hop is for everybody and me personally I have three young children who listens to soldier boy and to be honest I'd rather they listen to him instead of Ice-T. Hip hop has become a part of all our childrens lives and I think they should listen to songs that aren't all talking about sex, drugs, killing,etc.(Ice-T) I really think he shouldn't of made the comment he made because now I have lost respect for him as a person who grew up listening to his songs, watching him in movies and even now on Law & Order. I am glad there is something different for kids to listen to even some of these songs have been modified to be gospel songs. Can Ice-T modify any of his songs to fit a gospel genre?? Now I also want to say to Soulja Boy, I know he pissed you off but if you really respect someone the way to show your respect is to ignore ignorance when it comes your way. I hope you don't allow yourself to get caught up in a beef that shouldn't even exist. Show your maturity level by not responding to anymore comments because you know they are coming. No matter what, be something that kids(since they are the ones helping you get money)can look up to any say he did the right thing.
June 21, 2008 12:47 PM
 

coughdrop said:

Man hip hop been around for almost 45 years now it aint "new" no more
June 21, 2008 12:48 PM
 

CamRon said:

Ice-T shouldn't worry because eventually this style of Hip-Hop will die out.
Just like the 80's and 90's Hip-Hop did.
It'll be like this for a while though but people will start getting tired of Soulja Boy Music and all the dance club music and something different will become popular.
Hell Soulja Boy might end up like Ice-T hiself.
But the Hip-Hop Cycle will go on but for right now its gonna stay clubbish because thats all people do is go to clubs.
You know that style won't last forever his fans will get old and actually start to have minds.
Just hopefully people who have little babies will raise them to have respect for thereselves and other people.
June 21, 2008 12:48 PM
 

INGE&J said:

well see it has always been weakness i feel both of their opinions
June 21, 2008 12:50 PM
 

Boss Up said:

great article seed
June 21, 2008 12:52 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

lmao @ Ice T tellin Hurricane Chris to take them braids out his head, lol. I am @ work and that shit made me bust out laughing, lol......hold up, Soulja Boy made a point when he said "how u gone write a song talkin bout fuck the police and 20 yrs later you playin one on a show"??? lmao, that was a good one.
June 21, 2008 12:56 PM
 

Squareone1 said:

Crank that has to be the most ignorant shit ever created, in a world when we're dealing with so many ill social issues, world issues and constant murdering of our youth, soljah boy is not a true representitive of any kind of hiphop, the dude is a pop artist trying to do rap.

Ice-T, who I respect as a true OG in the game, I think is saying that during the golden era of rap (I say that would be from 88' - 95' before puffy almost killed the game with shiny suits), EMCEES (something soljah boy has no clue about) were spitting about concience shit that was relevant in their lifes and that was effective in building a culture up. If you say a 17  year can't make some real shit, just look at LL cool J who made quality shit, or Shyheim, the rugged child who made hard core hiphop music, so fuck what somebody's age is.

Soljah boy, maybe not even his fault because D4L, and them laffy taffy ma'fuckas might've given this kid a idea, to just be as fucking ignorant with the music, grab a keyboard, get some protools and say they producing real music. I know it's just entertainment, but his influencing so many people (mostly kids) to get on you tube and just portray a abundance of self hate for millions to see, it's disturbing.

It's not all soljah boy's fault to be singly handly blamed, but when you're in the front of the pack, that's the responsibility and heat a person like him has to take, either he can defend himself with a ignorant response (which maybe most of us might've made too) but he could had just picked up the phone and called Ice-T and been a bigger person than a 50 year old, instead he choose to be put himself out there and display himself in the same crude manner as when he pissed off the side of a hotel balcony. I'd tell this dude if I was to run across him in the streets is to grow the fuck up, and go to college.


Peace
June 21, 2008 1:02 PM
 

HELLRAISER said:

i hope this shit wont get past the trash talking because ice-t is OG status. even though soulja boy is annoying ill hate to see the dude get done up over some lame shit lol now that i think about it i havent heard people going at it with ice-t over some beef.
June 21, 2008 1:04 PM
 

SouthernThick said:

Soulja Boy vs Ice-T..Please...Soulja Boy is fucking joke.  He need to get all the money that he can off of "superman"  and call it a day.  I can not believe the radio actually played "YAHHH."  The song was just stupid.  
ICe-T is a Legend in the game...Soulja Boy will "just spit a sentence and the game forget his name."
June 21, 2008 1:10 PM
 

Rosco! said:

“You was wrong for that. Think about it in my shoes. This time last year I was poor as f**k. I was in the hood, I was in the ghetto. If what you [were] living is true, you would understand where I’m coming from…I’m 17 years old, I worked hard for this s**t. Even if I got all this off one song, you should be congratulating me. Real talk, you should be telling me congratulations young brother, get your money. That’s what you should be saying, instead of 'eat a d**k.'”

Tha smartest and most tru shit S. Beezy has ever said.
June 21, 2008 1:11 PM
 

Rosco! said:

“You was wrong for that. Think about it in my shoes. This time last year I was poor as f**k. I was in the hood, I was in the ghetto. If what you [were] living is true, you would understand where I’m coming from…I’m 17 years old, I worked hard for this s**t. Even if I got all this off one song, you should be congratulating me. Real talk, you should be telling me congratulations young brother, get your money. That’s what you should be saying, instead of 'eat a d**k.'”

Tha smartest and most tru shit S. Beezy has ever said. Ice-T juss tryna get a buzz for his album comin out....dat i dint even know existed until this beef got started. lmao.
June 21, 2008 1:12 PM
 

TX Made Marcuz said:

ok i see yawl play'n favoritez.......hell yawl play'n this video of tha pee wee herman dance video..and thatz supposed to be hip hop....but soulja boy crank dat song aint hip hop?? .....shit dont make sense ppl been make'n dance songz since hip hop started......niggaz really need to know where their been be4 they talk bout tha new generation....honestly....Ice-T wuz talk'n out thazz when he came at a lil kid like soulja boy he killed hip hop wit crank dat but Ice-t in this Pee Wee Herman dance video fuck outta here mayne yawl really jus need to get off soulja boy's dick Trill Talk give tha lil nigga credit mayne

http://www.myspace.com/bang_screw_4lyfe go add now!!!!!
June 21, 2008 1:14 PM
 

TX Made Marcuz said:

ok i see yawl play'n favoritez.......hell yawl play'n this video of tha pee wee herman dance video..and thatz supposed to be hip hop....but soulja boy crank dat song aint hip hop?? .....shit dont make sense ppl been make'n dance songz since hip hop started......niggaz really need to know where their been be4 they talk bout tha new generation....honestly....Ice-T wuz talk'n out thazz when he came at a lil kid like soulja boy he killed hip hop wit crank dat but Ice-t in this Pee Wee Herman dance video fuck outta here mayne yawl really jus need to get off soulja boy's dick Trill Talk give tha lil nigga credit mayne

http://www.myspace.com/bang_screw_4lyfe go add now!!!!!
June 21, 2008 1:15 PM
 

TX Made Marcuz said:

ok i see yawl play'n favoritez.......hell yawl play'n this video of tha pee wee herman dance video..and thatz supposed to be hip hop....but soulja boy crank dat song aint hip hop?? .....shit dont make sense ppl been make'n dance songz since hip hop started......niggaz really need to know where their been be4 they talk bout tha new generation....honestly....Ice-T wuz talk'n out thazz when he came at a lil kid like soulja boy he killed hip hop wit crank dat but Ice-t in this Pee Wee Herman dance video fuck outta here mayne yawl really jus need to get off soulja boy's dick Trill Talk give tha lil nigga credit mayne

http://www.myspace.com/bang_screw_4lyfe go add now!!!!!
June 21, 2008 1:15 PM
 

fiskballa24 said:

Another irrevelant rapper trying to make some noise by hating on a hot artist.  Even if you don't like soulja boy, you gotta admit that he is one of the hottest rappers out there right now.  Especially if he got old niggas like ice-t coming out of retirement to hate on him
June 21, 2008 1:17 PM
 

DAREALGUNSMOKE said:

1ST OF ALL! I HATE SOULJA BOY
IN ACTUALITY IF ICE-T DROPPED A GREATEST HITS ALBUM TODAY AND SOULJA BOY RE-DID HIS ALBUM, IN THIS GENERATION HE WOULD OUT SELL ICE-T. ITS HORRIBLE TO SAY THAT BUT ITS REAL.
ICE-T IS OUTTA LINE FOR CALLIN A YOUNGSTA OUT WHEN HE GOT A SON ABOUTTHE SAME AGE AS SOULJA BOY.
SOULJA BOY IS OUTTA LINE FOR GOIN BACK AT ICE-T LIKE HE WANTS BEEF. THAT SHIT SHOWS HIS IMMATURITY!
NOW BOTH OF EM ACTIN LIKE SOME KIDS!
June 21, 2008 1:23 PM
 

Shifty_UK said:

ICE T should know better than to act like that. damn.
June 21, 2008 1:30 PM
 

Lexx Diirt said:

We should jus change the name hip-hop music to club-dance music. the most talked about rappers are having their careers fueled by singles made for the club (lil wayne). but not just wayne and not just soulja boy.people confuse chris brown and usher with hip-hop artists. when u no longer can tell who is an RnB singer and whos a Hip-hop artist..we have a serious problem. the problem is that corporations choose to put out ONLY safe pop music. they cant take a risk on music that doesnt make u dance. they cant risk leaving it to the youth to actually listen and hear good sad hip-hop. good angry hip-hop. good emotional, meaningful, loaded hip-hop. music is MADE for kids now. It used to be made for urban culture. because the artists never expected to make the money. never expected young white girls to swoop it off the shelves. now that they know it happens, they make the music FOR them
June 21, 2008 1:33 PM
 

everybodyisasnitch said:

Sometimes I forget I was young, full of cum and dumb. Because I thought that peewee song was fire at the time. I guess Ice T did too. Anyway big up to the artist I listen to....Jean Grae, Little Brother, Buck Shot & the whole Boot camp,MF Doom, Pumpkinhead, Nas, Jay Z, Mos def, Andre 3000, Gnarls Barkly aka Cee lo, M.O.P pick up that rock album they put out under the name Mash Out posse, Marco Polo album was great, O.C last album great & his first one is a classic, Common, and can't forget GHostface. Good music is still here, just that radio wont play alot of great artist.
June 21, 2008 1:38 PM
 

illseed said:

the pee wee song IS fire hahahahaah....the thing is, thats what it was at that time. this is before PE and them swept the nation. And ice t cant front on that. ice t is an OG in the rap game, one of my favorite rappers -period. he made some of the most thought provoking music ever in rap history. but he was a grown man when he was rapping. Now, even when soulja boy is grown, he prob wont  be doing anything substantive because thats not his market. when ice was poppin i was a kid more or less. he made me think. rob base made me dance. same applied now, but there is less of that  "real" stuff and more just the frivious stuff. Ice just didnt quite get the point across...he has a point though.
June 21, 2008 1:52 PM
 

ImJamminScrew said:

New Song about Ice-T hating On Soulja Boy!!  Funny!!


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZnvbvBWtBEs
June 21, 2008 2:00 PM
 

CamRon said:

Lexx Diirt you are right.Thats all Hip-Hop is,just music you dance to in a club it aint like the old Tupac Music people still bump years later after it came out.
Chris Brown and Usher aint R&B artist they're POP artist but they got stuff so mixed up that we can't tell because its all dance music.It was better when Hip-Hop talked about real stuff instead of cummin on girls backs and putting a napkin on it.
Also when R&B had soul in it and people made babies to it.
Now they've all fused into one genre besides Country Music.
Even artist like Britney Spears sound Hip-Hop and using the T-Pain voice and the same sounding beats.
June 21, 2008 2:00 PM
 

thefirm97 said:

@  MissDallasTx214

1st off the song was called cop killer and 2nd that joke already been said...he got that from wild n out
June 21, 2008 2:02 PM
 

music iz lif3 said:

it waz never no beef to me ice t waz way out of line now he need to squah it n sit his old azz down
June 21, 2008 2:10 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

I know the name of the song, and who cares if the joke was recycled the shit was still funny so my question to you is wtf is your point, you aint told me shit I didn't already know......
June 21, 2008 2:11 PM
 

Savy Da Boss said:

Let that lil nigga get his money!
June 21, 2008 2:17 PM
 

ANTI1 said:

ice t has a point but it came across disrepectfully and soulja boy responded in typical fashion. The youth dont respect the old heads and vice versa thats just one aspect of this issue. todays youth also dont have much knowledge of the game and those who came before them, and thats another aspect. soula boy and mr. collipark are only out for the cash, much like most people in entertainment, but the difference they are willing to play themselves to get it. forget about target audience, they makin straight up coon music, period point blank. ya people was makin bs back in the day but back then they was more diverse music being exposed, now today only coon music bs rap seems to be played. if there was more diverse hip hop getting exposed but since puffy came along hip hop since like 99, 2000 has pretty much been straight boo boo so Ice t's point is yo all u soulja boys you the ones gettin exposure make sum real ish. soulja boys point is respect my hustle but i cant really support soulja boy on this one cuz he makin trash and i dont support trash. i just watched that nyoil video and all the soulja boys, d4ls and hurricane chris's need to study that video and song.
June 21, 2008 2:22 PM
 

Boldseduction69 said:

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME?

DAT LIKE YOUR GRANDPA WANNA KICK YOUR FRIEND'S ASS.

DA OLDES VS. DA YOUNGEST

T, NO. GET BACK TO MOVIES.
June 21, 2008 2:24 PM
 

Boldseduction69 said:

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME?

DAT LIKE YOUR GRANDPA WANNA KICK YOUR FRIEND'S ASS.

DA OLDES VS. DA YOUNGEST

T, NO. GET BACK TO MOVIES.
June 21, 2008 2:24 PM
 

MileHighFlyGuy said:

Black on Black Hate should be a felony. You got this yellow (clearly a house Ni@@a) that has being nothing more than a big contradiction open his trapp about a kid that he say killed Hip Hop. Maybe he should look at the the Gangster rap and dope boy rhymes that motivated young black men to commit genocide.
June 21, 2008 2:23 PM
 

MileHighFlyGuy said:

Black on Black Hate should be a felony. You got this yellow (clearly a house Ni@@a) that has being nothing more than a big contradiction open his trapp about a kid that he say killed Hip Hop. Maybe he should look at the the Gangster rap and dope boy rhymes that motivated young black men to commit genocide.
June 21, 2008 2:25 PM
 

MileHighFlyGuy said:

Black on Black Hate should be a felony. You got this yellow (clearly a house Ni@@a) that has being nothing more than a big contradiction open his trapp about a kid that he say killed Hip Hop. Maybe he should look at the the Gangster rap and dope boy rhymes that motivated young black men to commit genocide.
June 21, 2008 2:25 PM
 

ATL$t@r said:

good article illseed, good avi too lol
June 21, 2008 2:32 PM
 

mistachuck said:

Lil Wayne is a rock star, as with Souljah Boy. They both got a lotta energy and another language entirely. The only road to take here is a higher road. Iceberg is my brother , Souljah Boy, T Pain, Lil Wayne our sons ....especially Souljah Boy/ Flavor Flav

I thought they both were funny ...ICEs line about fixing bikes had me off the chair as much as SB laughing before he could get his jokes off. Reminds me of a BBQ family picnic ....but we old cats need to be here to school them ..black artists should never sit down no matter what the age, while rockers like Bon Jovi, Metallica, and the Rolling Stones will put your day on hold with their largely white american supported traffic in the streets headed to their stadiums.

However

My daughter likes to drive her car but cannot handle the thought of $5 per gallon gas this summer...I have to figure a way to school her thoughts on handling that rather than talking how great it was in 98 when gas was .98 per gallon..

Ok imma sit my old ass down ... and keep attacking George Bush till he's out of there ....cause that sht has affected all of us...word!
June 21, 2008 2:33 PM
 

Oath said:

@ MAK...... Every comment you make on here sucks ass unfortunately
June 21, 2008 2:44 PM
 

bigron202020 said:

Ice T went about that in the wrong way....period...and he conveyed his message wrong...and although soulja boy came back like expected..dumb jokes(even his homies wasn't laughin)..he had a point..the older generation doin alotta bitchin and complainin..instead of educatin..niggas are veterans..even tho they ain't sellin like they used to..they still have influence on the newer generation..niggas still repect them even if they don't feel they music like the generation before did...we grew up listenin to em...niggas can't relate to the older generation becuz the problems of today are different..we can relate to niggas in our generation more than the generation before us...but the problem with Soulja Boy(and it ain't his fault or his burden to bare alone) is we're lettin our voice, the only thing  we can call our own(Hip Hop) be manipulated by others who don't really understand or care about it(the corporations)...everybody can't be serious all the time...but we can't dance and party all the time either..we need a balance..and the problem...everybody wants to party all the time..and we can't blame the artist..i think the fans killed hip hop more than the artists..did..as long as we generate the market to buy trash..the trash mans gonna sell it
June 21, 2008 2:48 PM
 

bigron202020 said:

@Illseed

i agree with ya..but that still ain't an excuse to put trash out..Nas put out illmatic and did his thing with Large Professor around the same age give or take a few year..people keep usin age as an excuse to doin things..which don't get me wrong..dudes only seventeen...but if he knows better..why not do better

@ol girl who said she'd rather let he kids listen to soldier boy than Ice-T

u do know wut super man that oooo mean rite???

@everybody sayin Ice-T a clown for playin a cop on TV

it's just actin..he's playin a part..that doesn't mean that's part of his character..he's playin a character...Ice Cube doin the same shit, but i bet he'd get pounds for transitioning rite...that's like bein mad at Arnold swarzawuteva for not bein a robot...
June 21, 2008 3:03 PM
 

Smallaxe said:

Ice T should have been a lil bit more mature about it still... the problem is never gonna be the artsit, the problem is the coorporate guys that dont give other rappers, that may rep for hip hop in a more authentic way ,too much shine... Souljah Boy is lucky to have the oppurtunity to get some money and make summ of himself... I dont think the young boy is talented by any adult standard... he could be the cat in the hat rapper, but he entertains the kids and make them wanna make there own lil dances up, which is cool, cuz i use to listen to Kris Kross, and ABC and God know they werent writing SHIT!... at the end of the day we have to keep our generation together and we cant allow the generation gap to get too wide... Ice T is mad at the wrong person, but I do think its was cool for him to step up and say "something"... but like Souljah Boy said "gimme some pointers" these kids need to be told what to do and what type of music to make and how to make it, if the older heads aint sittin them down like look, "this shit sucks do it this way" then how can they be mad?..... Ice T lost this one still, but no respect lost to the forefather of Souljah Boys nutts lol.... Im playing.....

Click on my name for some real music!
June 21, 2008 3:06 PM
 

Gold Mind said:

i feel what ice-t was sayin but he went about it wrong. he too old to be callin out some teenager. soulja boy coulda won by not even responding, makin ice-t out to be the ignorant kid while he be the grown ass man in the situation. instead, they both lame for that shit..
June 21, 2008 3:07 PM
 

Gold Mind said:

i feel what ice-t was sayin but he went about it wrong. he too old to be callin out some teenager. soulja boy coulda won by not even responding, makin ice-t out to be the ignorant kid while he be the grown ass man in the situation. instead, they both lame for that shit..
June 21, 2008 3:11 PM
 

WhutTheeHail said:

If you think about it, Hip Hop has changed over the years. You had the beginning when the focus was on the the elements: The MC, The DJ, B-boy, and the graffiti. Then you had the Golden Age Part I & II and now you have this era where it's all about the monnnnaaaayyy(shoutout to Vince McMahon -- where's my phone call fool!) So you can't expect hip hop to stand in certain era forever. Someone new is bound to come along and cause things to evolve. If you look back @ movies like Breakin I & II, you gonna be like oh shit this is mad corny but when it first came out you wanted to be just like Turbo and Ozone breaking with the wild colors and all that. Peep the Jean Claude Van Damme cameo *dead*

The point I'm trying to make is that yeah Ice T is mad at the state of hip hop but when you think about when he was out in the 80's, how folks really didn't want hip hop to be around and was trying to find ways to rid of it. Years from now, folks will look at Soulja Boy the same way they look at Breakin now. Maaad corny.
June 21, 2008 3:13 PM
 

acuradan623 said:

children need to be put in their place and since no one was donig it ice had to do it, hes keepin it real and hopefully this discourages other kids from wanting to make lame ass songs like soulja boy, its not an age thing its about hiphop as a lifestyle that ice helped build and im sure hes tired of seeing it go to waste. im with ice on this one
June 21, 2008 3:14 PM
 

Gold Mind said:

i feel what ice-t was sayin but he went about it wrong. he too old to be callin out some teenager. soulja boy coulda won by not even responding, makin ice-t out to be the ignorant kid while he be the grown ass man in the situation. instead, they both lame for that shit..
June 21, 2008 3:12 PM
 

BlackPeople 1 said:

stop makin excuses for these corny muvafuckas.

tell it to them like it is so they'll grow up strong.

so the moral of the story is "if it'll get you money no matter what it is go on and do it" ?

that's how you raise a nation of spineless weaklings.

a man should draw the line and at some point be able to say "naw. i ain't gon do that."

talk to these boys like men so they'll grow up strong.
June 21, 2008 3:29 PM
 

jay_that_dudeukno said:

Like I've said before, Nas told hip hop that hip hop was dead and hip hop believed it. That nigga did that shit to sell records. If Solja boy's or D4L's or Hurricane Chris' music is killing hip hop, then hip hop died when it started because there was a slew of music just like theirs. Niggas need to learn how to think for themselves. Hip hop ain't dead, there is just a bunch of old heads running around mad because the young cats is getting bread, and  they don't even have to try that hard to do it. Maybe Nas or Ice-T should have been making dance music.... prolly would have been easier....
June 21, 2008 3:33 PM
 

Limitless said:

PPl are obsessed with this whole "hiphop" is dead bullshit. Like dude said above, Nas only said it to sell records. HipHop is alive and very well. It seems that ppl dnt realize that the state of hiphop is jus like life. THINGS CHANGE! WIth that said there is all types of different music within hiphop..dance music,hardcore,conscious,neo soul, etc. Soulja Boy has nevver said once that he is a lyrical giant and if you listen to his music expecting that then theres no one to blame but your own self. He makes dance music WHICH is part of hiphop. Ice T was really getting down to that Pee Wee Herman dance..LMAO!! No matter what year it is..I'd rather "Superman dat ho" then that bullshit Ice was doing. I got so much love for Ice but come on bruh, you talkin all that pimp shit in, "Pimps up, hos down" and then you do this? Looks like your tru colors are shining thru. Congradulate old school. HipHop will live forevver. We as ppl are trendsetters.
June 21, 2008 3:52 PM
 

BlackPeople 1 said:

I left this on the page about sadat droppin an album.
but it's something i been feeling for a while now.

========================

y'all know i'm a tru school east coast cannon.
but i see the future.

and sometimes I wish these veterans dudes would take apprentices.
grab a lil youngin that's 15 or so and mold em.

that's how the shit will perpetuate.
June 21, 2008 3:53 PM
 

ssf650mac said:

Stop hatin on soulja boy. If you dont like him dont buy his records feel me. I'm a father of two granted they young age 2 & 4 , but they love his music. People tend to forget that not all music has to be about serious topics. You can have fun along with big daddy kane came kid n play. You need music to groove too. tell den get out soulja boy's face yahh! trick yahh! lol... Ice-T a fool for trying to get at soulja boy why is he trippin of a youngster anyway...
June 21, 2008 3:56 PM
 

BlackPeople 1 said:

i gotta ask you dudes something.

everytime somebody talk about your integrity or your product you try to deflect from the issue and start talkin about how much bread or cake you gettin.

is that all you stand for?

so you'll let one of these run up in you if the numbers is right?

if the shoe fit wear it if it don't throw it out.
but y'all sound like real live whores these days.
June 21, 2008 3:59 PM
 

ALAKIA_QUEEONE said:

both could have handled it differently...anyhow, i WAS jammin to that Pee Wee Herman *lol*
June 21, 2008 4:10 PM
 

ssf650mac said:

co-sign Limitless
June 21, 2008 4:37 PM
 

LadyOfBizzness said:

ii agree wit alotta ya'll ice-t shouldnt said it cuz da kidsz gettin his money

CamRon said:
Ice-T shouldn't worry because eventually this style of Hip-Hop will die out.
Just like the 80's and 90's Hip-Hop did.

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June 21, 2008 4:38 PM
 

LadyOfBizzness said:

ii agree wit alotta ya'll ice-t shouldnt have said it cuz da kidsz gettin his money

CamRon said:
Ice-T shouldn't worry because eventually this style of Hip-Hop will die out.
Just like the 80's and 90's Hip-Hop did.
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datsz tru but if hip hop changed now & daysz dis bad; is it gonna get worst cuz we really dont need nomore soulja boyz. I think we only need 1
June 21, 2008 4:42 PM
 

LOOSE_CANNON187 said:

 
ALAKIA_QUEEONE said:
both could have handled it differently...anyhow, i WAS jammin to that Pee Wee Herman *lol*


YOU WERE TOO???  But I gotta ride with ICE on this....and I don't think you can blame him for his anger...I mean this nigga made Cop Killer and had the Fed's in his ass...Look at it this way...Ice helped build the house of hip hop...now he ses S.B(and other corny sounding muah-fukkas) tearing down the house he left for them...WOULD YOU NOT BE MAD TOO!  
June 21, 2008 4:43 PM
 

shelz said:

couldnt have said it better myself bossman...

and lol@the pee wee... rocked it til i popped it
June 21, 2008 4:46 PM
 

TX Made Marcuz said:

i dont get yawl niggaz......i mean soulja boy only defend'n his self ice-t started tha whole thang i mean WDF dew soulja boy gotta dew wit whutever he is dew'n nomtombout......and soulja boy iz not tryna be tha best emcee in tha world so to that bigron202020  dont compare soulja boy and nas cuz they do'n two different thangz Trill Talk


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June 21, 2008 4:52 PM
 

nercity07 said:

I don't like a little kid using super hero references mixed in with "Ho's". I don't like seeing little kids immulating (sp) this little nigga in his music. I think it's ignorant and not needed.

BUT!!

I have MAJOR respect for him on how he handled himself in this clip. Disses and all, he is 99.9% right (It's Cop Killer and not "Fuck the Police") but other than that, Ice T has not right for telling a 17 year old Kid to eat a dick. That's worse than a 17 year old kid to say "Superman Dat Ho".

The more and more us elders talk down to these kids the more and more they will run and not listen to us. We need to remember when our parents were trying to tell us stuff with that "Back in my day" shit we didn't listen..I know I didn't, because it's a new day and time.

I don't like Soulja Boy music but I do like how he handled himself here. It shows that he's maturing and he probably has the mentality of "I'm gonna show you nigga's, fuck yall" and try to make more hits...and honestly should we blame him?

There have been Soulja Boys since the beginning of time in Hip Hop, I would just like a balance of substance music to go with the other shit.

Ice T, you got checked by this more mature 17 year old kid. And honestly Ice T to keep it P.I....nigga you've been talking about Pimpin and bullshit for most of your career so what kind of Role Model are you trying to be?

www.myspace.com/nercity
June 21, 2008 5:04 PM
 

feelitall said:

First of all Ice T didnt have a song called Fuck the police that was NWA the name of his song was Cop Killa know what you are talking about before you speak.  Ice T said the same thing that a lot of people say bout Solja Boi's music so whats new.  Ice T being a super O.G. shouldnt even brought it like to him like that though.  SB did make some good points though.... since a lot of us dont like the music that is being put out myself included do somthing about it.  I know one thing for certain if he came around me shouting all that ya trick ya shit I would slap the taste out of his mouth then make him go tell his moma about it like I was his uncle.  Ice T is right your music is terrible in my opinion.  But I aint hating on ya do your thang to each his own....

http://www.myspace.com/mississippimenace
June 21, 2008 5:05 PM
 

illseed said:

A friend asked me this, "At what point do you take the high road?"
June 21, 2008 5:09 PM
 

feelitall said:

Hold on.....wasnt it about a month or so ago LBJ and Jay-Z dissed Solja boi?? AHH community correct me if I wrong...He was all on them niggaz nuts talking bout "im happy they know who I am"...He didnt really have much to say about that....my nigga you aint got no credibitly on this one
June 21, 2008 5:10 PM
 

illseed said:

bigron202020 said:
@Illseed

i agree with ya..but that still ain't an excuse to put trash out..Nas put out illmatic and did his thing with Large Professor around the same age give or take a few year..people keep usin age as an excuse to doin things..which don't get me wrong..dudes only seventeen...but if he knows better..why not do better

---------------------------------------------------------
A lotta trash comes out my friend.
in the 90s and 80s....u kidding me? TRASH ON TRASH! hell,, nas has put out some trash haahahaha - nah, nah...seriously. soulja boy has because a symbol of whts wrong with rap. this may or may not be true. the fact is, rap is outta balance. the trash outweighs the quality.
June 21, 2008 5:12 PM
 

illseed said:

 
BlackPeople 1 said:
talk to these boys like men so they'll grow up strong.

BlackPeople, are you suggesting that telling somebody to "eat a d**k" is talking to them like a man? b/c as a MAN, if somebody talks to me like that, won't be any youtubes. we will have a problem. thats no how men talk to each other if they want 1) change and 2) respect from the other person.

Ice is my DUDE, but i think he coulda got his point across differently.
June 21, 2008 5:15 PM
 

jojodove77 said:

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN PICTURE SOULJA BOY GETTING HIS ASS WHUPPED WITH A BELT LIKE THAT LIL GANGSTA IN THE MOVIE "BABY BOY"???

LMAO @ SOME CALI NUKKA WHUPPIN HIM W/ A BELT TALKIN BOUT "WHO YA DADDY"...
June 21, 2008 5:20 PM
 

feelitall said:

Illseed said

"when ice was poppin i was a kid more or less. he made me think. rob base made me dance."

How true but rob base was spittin fire lyrics Solja boi dont
June 21, 2008 5:23 PM
 

ya future father said:

good point
June 21, 2008 5:49 PM
 

southernfolk said:

Bottom line... Ice T was wrong and outta line. Period. Soulja Boy is a kid, making music for kids. If Ice-T doesnt like it then dont listen to it - he wasn't saying that when he was in the video for "Do the Pee Wee Herman" - yeah i aint forgot.... Ima connoisseur of this music we call Hip Hop. Shout to you for this editorial Illseed.
June 21, 2008 5:54 PM
 

BigKev in Harlem said:

Soulja Boy did influence Soulja Girl that went ballistic on the train.

Now dammit, something should be done about that!
June 21, 2008 6:05 PM
 

J-DUBB THA YOUNG HECTIC said:

hip-hop been dying slowly since y'all let 50 cent become the #1 rapper. but i would rather have kids do dumb dances than rap about drugs,gang-banging and killing.
what the game needs is BALANCE. its kool to have fun but we cant be in the club ALL the time

http://www.myspace.com/jdubbthayounghectic  


June 21, 2008 6:05 PM
 

Limitless said:

It all comes to down the fact that Soulja Boy came out and smashed the game with one song. It took Ice awhile to shine. If Soulja Boy didnt get all that dough then im sure most of the characters on here wouldnt be hating. Its sad that black folks build eachother up to bring em down.  "hence..hence" 50 Cent..everyone loved em, NOW folks yelling..lol better yet typing " Fuck G-Unit!" It also comes down to self confidence issues. It's easy to say fuck someone when your confidence level is in the dirt. The music i dislike i simply jus dnt buy or listen to it..but i do indeed give love that they are chasing there dreams.
June 21, 2008 6:26 PM
 

BigKev in Harlem said:

true that @ J Dubb.
June 21, 2008 6:31 PM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

The problem with this article for me is the comparision to the Joe ski luv song, yeah i know there were some wack rappers back in the day doing dance songs, but those songs was never number one on the charts.  The pee wee  was just a song for the party you didn/t hear no one pumpin it in their whips.  The dance songs back in the days came after the dance been out on the street for a while, not the other way around.  We need more balance in Hip hop it ain't about a party everyday!!!  

These wack rappers are making everyone do dances that they made up when they were high with their boyz. I'm tired of these line dances. Don't everyone get sick of watching the CHA CHA slide at a party?
June 21, 2008 6:33 PM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

The problem with this article for me is the comparision to the Joe ski luv song, yeah i know there were some wack rappers back in the day doing dance songs, but those songs was never number one on the charts.  The pee wee  was just a song for the party you didn/t hear no one pumpin it in their whips.  The dance songs back in the days came after the dance been out on the street for a while, not the other way around.  We need more balance in Hip hop it ain't about a party everyday!!!  

These wack rappers are making everyone do dances that they made up when they were high with their boyz. I'm tired of these line dances. Don't everyone get sick of watching the CHA CHA slide at a party?
June 21, 2008 6:34 PM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

The problem with this article for me is the comparision to the Joe ski luv song, yeah i know there were some wack rappers back in the day doing dance songs, but those songs was never number one on the charts.  The pee wee  was just a song for the party you didn/t hear no one pumpin it in their whips.  The dance songs back in the days came after the dance been out on the street for a while, not the other way around.  We need more balance in Hip hop it ain't about a party everyday!!!  

These wack rappers are making everyone do dances that they made up when they were high with their boyz. I'm tired of these line dances. Don't everyone get sick of watching the CHA CHA slide at a party?
June 21, 2008 6:35 PM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

The problem with this article for me is the comparision to the Joe ski luv song, yeah i know there were some wack rappers back in the day doing dance songs, but those songs was never number one on the charts.  The pee wee  was just a song for the party you didn/t hear no one pumpin it in their whips.  The dance songs back in the days came after the dance been out on the street for a while, not the other way around.  We need more balance in Hip hop it ain't about a party everyday!!!  

These wack rappers are making everyone do dances that they made up when they were high with their boyz. I'm tired of these line dances. Don't everyone get sick of watching the CHA CHA slide at a party?
June 21, 2008 6:35 PM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

The problem with this article for me is the comparision to the Joe ski luv song, yeah i know there were some wack rappers back in the day doing dance songs, but those songs was never number one on the charts.  The pee wee  was just a song for the party you didn/t hear no one pumpin it in their whips.  The dance songs back in the days came after the dance been out on the street for a while, not the other way around.  We need more balance in Hip hop it ain't about a party everyday!!!  

These wack rappers are making everyone do dances that they made up when they were high with their boyz. I'm tired of these line dances. Don't everyone get sick of watching the CHA CHA slide at a party?
June 21, 2008 6:35 PM
 

NiCk StYlez said:

Well In my opinion, neither of them should have been beefin anyways, they are two very different distant artists. This beef has no sense I just don't understand this ishh, yeah Ice T sure did go hard at Soulja Boy no doubt about that, however Soulja Boy retaliated hard at Ice T both points got acrossed.

They should just gain a mutual respect for each other, there's no meaning in this beef it's either a publicity stunt or someone had a bad day lol... overall they gotta cut this and dropp some ill tracks.
June 21, 2008 6:35 PM
 

KinG Sh!T832 said:

ill seed Big up 4 the article....
S.Beezy came kind correct through some part of the response...
If u think hiphop is dead( Even thou it an ever changing entity) Do Something!!!!!!
Pee Wee Herman  Lmao..... that bring bacq