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Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil Wayne 
Published Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:30 AM
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    By Chuck "Jigsaw" Creekmur

    Play-N-Skillz don't want to sue the biggest rapper on Earth, but they have yet to receive any monies for their work on Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III.

     

    Play-N-Skillz produced "Got Money," which was the third official single from Lil Wayne's acclaimed sixth studio album.

     

    The song featured T-Pain and peaked at No. 4 on the iTunes Top 100 and No. 10 on the Billboard Hot 100.

     

    "We haven't gotten any compensation. We really didn't want to speak on anything like that, just because of our relationship with Pain and Wayne. We're more thankful for the opportunity to be on Tha Carter III, but business is business at the end of the day," Skillz told AllHipHop.com at Sha Money XL's One Stop Shop producers conference over this past weekend.

     

    Skillz, one half of the production hit squad, continued, "now it is coming to where we have to put our business hat on. We had the producer and the creative hat on, but now we wanna know what's going on."

     

    "Got Money" was originally for Pitbull's album, Play said, but it was submitted a mere two days too late for inclusion on the Miami artist's album.

     

    "So, by the time he sent it back, T-Pain was on the hook. T-Pain had made it happen," Play continued. "This just goes to show, where technology is going,” Skillz explained. “We had never even met Wayne. He's in there and with us being from the South, we had seen him here and there, but that was the first time we had actually worked with him. But we didn't actually go into the studio and work with him. Everything was third person."

     

    The song made the rounds and soon there was talk that the song could be going to the next level.

     

    "Pain's people reached out to us and they said there was a big rapper that wanted to rap on it. We wanted to know who the hell it was,” Play continued. “They said it was Wayne, they sent the files back, we changed the music on it, rearranged it and the rest is history."

     

    How the future plays out is unclear, but both Play and Skillz want to resolve things amicably so that all parties can continue to make music.

     

    "We think the legal issues will be taken care of. It might not even be on his radar. A lot of people fail to realize, the artist might not even know. I'm sure that Wayne doesn't even know or Pain doesn't even know," Skillz said. "It could be Universal Records, but somebody has to come with it. Give us our change, man...we need that. We got expensive tastes, baby. We're going to continue to work and hopefully it doesn't tarnish the relationship,” Play said. “But, if you don't handle your business, nothing you do makes sense anyway."

     

    In related news, Play-N-Skillz are going to continue to work on music, but will also return to their rap craft as well.

     




    Comments

     

    Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil Wayne | Hot 108 Jamz said:

    May 12, 2009 11:32 AM
     

    make_money said:

    You never met Wayne?
    I'm not a producer but c'mon now
    at least meet or talk to the nygga
    before "giving" him the track
    May 12, 2009 11:38 AM
     

    Mr.478 said:

    Baby got it, just ask all the original Hot Boyz.....lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    May 12, 2009 11:41 AM
     

    Melchizodok said:

    Technology is a mutha but business is business, u used it, pay 4 it. Don't expect Wayne 2 duck wit u again thou, he don't know personally who suing him? He ain't jumping on anything made by y'all again.
    May 12, 2009 11:46 AM
     

    SSK09SSK said:

    wow, what do you know, another headline with another CB4 rapper.  All this money these fake rappers claim to have, but cant buy real shades, or cant pay there damn producers.  All this fake it to you make it ish is retarded at this point.  As for wayne, i know this clown got the money to pay, just pay the damn producer who helped your CB4 album go platinum you ungrateful lil midget!
    May 12, 2009 11:46 AM
     

    sumhatesumluv said:

    Music business is super shady. You almost have to be in the loop or a industry nigga to suceed that's why the shits all wack right now. Just sending niggas your shit is lame. They can copy your style, not pay you, or so many other things. You basically need a representative to send your music out.
    May 12, 2009 11:46 AM
     

    Texas_Playa said:

    dudes just gave up the track for free??? nothing up front???

    amother thing, how ya'll got a relationship with wayne, but never met him...wtf!!!!
    May 12, 2009 11:49 AM
     

    tippydickumdown said:

    niggaz get on the tracks bragging about how much $ they got,yet make producers get their's,if @ all,on the backend?? come on..cash money records failed to fully compensate in house producer mannie fresh,thats why he left,falied to compensate t mix,that's why he's left & suing..and I know jazze pha was with them now he's gone..so um,what do you expect?!

    and the hits keep coming..
    May 12, 2009 11:55 AM
     

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    May 12, 2009 11:59 AM
     

    BLUNTBLAZER said:

    WHO OWNS THE COPYWRITE? IF IT WASNT COPYWRITED IT FAIR GAME

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    May 12, 2009 12:00 PM
     

    WickedJumpShot said:

    May 12, 2009 12:02 PM
     

    coon66 said:

    All in all, the bullshit stay in the game cause niggaz probably never had they ass whooped for fuckin with a nigga bread... Once baby start gettin the shit slapped outta him, he'll change his business practices.
    May 12, 2009 12:05 PM
     

    djcbz said:

    GOOD LUCK GETTING PAID!!!!!!!!!!!HA!!!!!!!
    May 12, 2009 12:15 PM
     

    Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil Wayne | Hot 108 Jamz said:

    May 12, 2009 12:17 PM
     

    DrDahnDahlas said:

    F*CK ALL THAT DUMB SH*T...

    JUST PAY THE PRODUCERS THEIR MONEY...WHO GIVES A DAMN IF WAYNE DOES'NT WANT TO BE ON ANYTHING ELSE THEY MAKE...

    THE FACT REMAIN THEY MADE THE TRACK AND ITS ONLY RIGHT FOR THEM TO BE PAID, BOTTOMLINE...

    I MAKE BEATS TOO AND I WOULD DO THE SAME THING THEY ARE DOING...

    BIG SHOUTS OUT TO PLAY-N-SKILLZ...THAT TRACK WAS THE ONLY ONE I LIKED ON THAT ALBUM...FUCK THE LYRICS !!!
    May 12, 2009 12:21 PM
     

    Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil Wayne | Eight Mile Road said:

    May 12, 2009 12:21 PM
     

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    May 12, 2009 12:22 PM
     

    KURRUPTICON said:

    @make_money
    @texas_playa
    You guys are obviously not producers. Most records done these days the artist and producers haven't even met. Producer will send track. Artist would like it and have label cut a first half for the record. Producer will then send pro tools of record...and then get back end payment once song is mastered and placed on album. Sounds like they haven't got they back end money...but who knows. They may have sent them the pro tools with out  getting the front end payment first...thats bad biz on they part
    May 12, 2009 12:22 PM
     

    MRGODBYROAD said:

    SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CMR GOT ALL THAT SO CALLED MONEY YET...............THEY STAY NOT PAYIN PEOPLE..........BABY IS A FUCKIN CROOK!!!!!!! JUST ASK MANNY, JUVIE, BG, AND TURK!!!!!!
    May 12, 2009 12:30 PM
     

    EST said:

    Cosign KURRUPTICON, technology has completely changed the way records are produced and how artists are featured. Phonte and Nicolay did an entire album via file-sharing and didn't meet until after the joint was done so it has become very common for music to be done this way. Having said that I appreciate the straight up manner Skillz explained it, it's very likely Wayne has no idea producers haven't been paid but there are certainly people at Cash and Universal's offices that know.
    May 12, 2009 12:42 PM
     

    SlimDa1 said:

    I know Play N Skills are madder than what they express in the interview. They are taking the right approach by not tryna diss Wayne and simply sayin, "Give us our change." It may be true Wanye don't even know about it. But if I made a beat and a nigga used it and was getting radio & club play, then hell.........GIVE ME MY $!!! It might be time to sue....Wayne, Universal, whoever. Nobody don't wanna go that route but a nigga gotta get paid. I feel ya Play N Skills, get yo $ and learn from this mistake.
    May 12, 2009 12:44 PM
     

    MissDallasTx214 said:

    Um, Bbay is legendary for f*ckery so why would anyone do business w/him without getting paid first? That was stupid on their part, smh....
    May 12, 2009 12:46 PM
     

    Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil Wayne | Hot 108 Jamz said:

    May 12, 2009 12:48 PM
     

    djallstar said:

    oh snap, the irony.
    May 12, 2009 12:48 PM
     

    Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil Wayne | Hot 108 Jamz said:

    May 12, 2009 12:48 PM
     

    Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil Wayne | Hot 108 Jamz said:

    May 12, 2009 12:48 PM
     

    Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil Wayne | Hot 108 Jamz said:

    May 12, 2009 12:48 PM
     

    SlimDa1 said:

    HipHopDon said:


    CASH 'aint givin up the' MONEY


    LOL nigga u right. Baby ain't tryna hear that shit....that is until it goes to court.
    May 12, 2009 12:51 PM
     

    MissDallasTx214 said:

    *Baby (typo, sh*t happens)
    May 12, 2009 12:55 PM
     

    tippydickumdown said:

    MissDallasTx214 said:
    Um, Bbay is legendary for f*ckery so why would anyone do business w/him without getting paid first? That was stupid on their part, smh....

    I know I'm like late & everything,but MissDallasTx214,I've been having a thing for you since sometime last year! the combination of brains & strength packaged in your physical..sheesh!I know there's a long list of niggaz,but fuck that! be my lady dammmmmit! if not,@ least check me out hahaha:

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    May 12, 2009 12:57 PM
     

    Gown Town Invasion » Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil W… said:

    May 12, 2009 1:24 PM
     

    DesertEasy520 said:

    CASH RULES EVERYTHING AROUND ME C.R.E.A.M. GET THE MONEY DOLLAR DOLLAR BILL Y'ALL!!!!!!!!!!!
    May 12, 2009 1:32 PM
     

    DesertEasy520 said:

    looks like they got PLAYED 4 their SKILLZ!!!!!!!!!!!
    May 12, 2009 1:33 PM
     

    Young_Bo_313 said:

    this nigga wayne is another rapper that stay taking Ls in the news just pay these dudes all the money you swear you got.  This is another reason why its hard to have black people work together because we are constantly trying to fuck each other out of what is due i bet you he wouldnt have done scott storch like that but hey thats just my opinion
    May 12, 2009 1:34 PM
     

    ReppnKing said:

    Am i the only one who noticed the "biggest rapper on earth" crap?

    Really HHH? Really? I know they did that on earth work some people up ala 50 fans, or Em fans, who clearly are bigger artist than Wayne. lol

    but come one now 3x platinum cate the biggest artist on earth? lol
    May 12, 2009 1:35 PM
     

    MissDallasTx214 said:

    @ tippydickumdown wassup hon, lol, thank you I appreciate that. I don't know about the long list of niggas but I'ma check you out!
    May 12, 2009 1:35 PM
     

    Young_Bo_313 said:

    and before niggaz come with the what? comments and shit im talking about the business tactics that we as a people employ thats i know play n skillz aint black
    May 12, 2009 1:36 PM
     

    ReppnKing said:

    meant to say they did that on purpose
    May 12, 2009 1:37 PM
     

    shorty74 said:

    Didnt they learn from Mannie Fresh's experience with the "C.M.R."
    May 12, 2009 1:44 PM
     

    eddiea219 said:

    c/s coon. i mean it shouldn't be like that but this like the umpteenth time u hear about producers not gettin paid for their work. if they start jus goin in the studio and handin out ass whoopins, then maybe they'll respect the producer a lil more. then too, it's about who u know too, cuz i bet u kanye, jus blaze and cool and dre got they loot...so respect play-n-skills and give them what's due to them.
    May 12, 2009 1:45 PM
     

    DollasTexas said:

    i had a chance to chop it up with SKILLS from the above mentioned production duo on NEW YEARS EVE in V.I.P. at  CLUB PURGATORY- even then he didn't seem like he was too confident in himself which made me understand why "PLAY" gets all the accolades cuz "SKILLS" is just a "YES MAN," I almost felt sorry for the cat cuz all the chix was screaming for his podna.  But i say that to say this, if i was to judge a book my its cover i would say that both guys seem like GOOD DUDES.  Though nice people tend to finish last ... they are handling the situation the best way possible -- LITIGATION, cuz everybody know its a snowball's chance in hell  that BEATRICE is gon' come off that bread.  
    May 12, 2009 1:53 PM
     

    RIP_Hiphop81g said:

    HAHA. Mang I would been like give me half or sumthin 4 u get my track. Its they dumb ass fault. And since Wayne got all those millies why he bein a lil bitch and not pay. Cuz he is a fake ass blood faggot kissin most OVERRATED RAPPER ALIVE!!!!
    May 12, 2009 1:58 PM
     

    MAB said:

    these guys have a terrible business sense. this same dilemna happened when to them when they did some work on lil flips last album.
    May 12, 2009 2:18 PM
     

    leftlanecoo said:

    make_money said:
    You never met Wayne?
    I'm not a producer but c'mon now
    at least meet or talk to the nygga
    before "giving" him the track

    They didnt give him the track it was for pitbull or do u even read before commenting.
    May 12, 2009 2:27 PM
     

    I am Wyldfyer said:

    ** ATTENTION ATTENTION **

    WOW!  After reading the comments, it's amazing that so many people don't know how the music industry REALLY works.

    1st:  Wayne most likely does not know that these guys were not paid.  Wayne is on a MAJOR label.  Universal is still the ones who disperse budget money, marketing, etc.  Cash Money is in charge of putting the record together and turning it in.  So if it is a funding issue, it is most likely a paperwork thing and they will eventually get paid.  

    2nd:  Dont fall for the O'kie Doke.  MOST producers do NOT get in the studio with the artists.  Yeah they say they are working or say "in the lab" but its a figure of speech. (I would think yall knew that).

    So when ppl say Play and Skillz shouldnt have given Wayne the track until they met him...thats some BULL.  I'm a producer who did a couple records you may have heard (google me if you want).  And I think I can speak for Play N Skillz when I say, you are NOT about to hold up someone's project just so you can MEET them, especially one of the top artists.  And if Wayne wants it for a single, you are going to make way more in Publishing (which they don't get from Universal so they are straight on that) than on Album sales.  So you aren't going to hesitate to send the track as you know its going to be one of the biggest albums of the year.  Now, I personally would not send the FILES as thats your only bargaining too but I'm me.

    3rd: No one has ANY idea of the time frame.  This may have been a last minute thing as far as when they got the track to Wayne.  When that happens, you cant hold up the process for cheese.  What that song can do for their career with the right publicist is CRAZY!  So you gotta roll with it to get the deal done.  If you start holding out for a lil bit of doe in the beginning, Wayne can just say "Nevermind" and now you got NOTHING.  No single, no video, NO PUBLISHING...NOTHING!  There aren't too many producers who can afford to turn Wayne down if given the opportunity.  I'd give Wayne a beat for free if he promised me a SINGLE.

    If you a hustler, after the right single, you can go get a 6 or 7 figure deal.

    So I just wanted to brief whoever didn't know some of the REALITIES of the game.
    May 12, 2009 2:29 PM
     

    poe said:

    fuck u, pay me.
    May 12, 2009 2:46 PM
     

    No.1FlyBoy said:

    i feel yall somebody pay me
    May 12, 2009 3:16 PM
     

    TrizzyValentine said:

    its funny that the hip hop community is taken pages out of corporate white america in terms of gettin over on people who cant afford to prosecute them for wrongdoing. they probably go home at the end of the day thinkin about how they do "good" business when they know they dont.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDOn0hwUvYE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9SjgNCF70
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDbJb-W8WzE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgTI_5AQX28
    May 12, 2009 3:52 PM
     

    bufezy said:

    I am Wyldfyer said:
    ** ATTENTION ATTENTION **

    WOW!  After reading the comments, it's amazing that so many people don't know how the music industry REALLY works.

    1st:  Wayne most likely does not know that these guys were not paid.  Wayne is on a MAJOR label.  Universal is still the ones who disperse budget money, marketing, etc.  Cash Money is in charge of putting the record together and turning it in.  So if it is a funding issue, it is most likely a paperwork thing and they will eventually get paid.  

    2nd:  Dont fall for the O'kie Doke.  MOST producers do NOT get in the studio with the artists.  Yeah they say they are working or say "in the lab" but its a figure of speech. (I would think yall knew that).

    So when ppl say Play and Skillz shouldnt have given Wayne the track until they met him...thats some BULL.  I'm a producer who did a couple records you may have heard (google me if you want).  And I think I can speak for Play N Skillz when I say, you are NOT about to hold up someone's project just so you can MEET them, especially one of the top artists.  And if Wayne wants it for a single, you are going to make way more in Publishing (which they don't get from Universal so they are straight on that) than on Album sales.  So you aren't going to hesitate to send the track as you know its going to be one of the biggest albums of the year.  Now, I personally would not send the FILES as thats your only bargaining too but I'm me.

    3rd: No one has ANY idea of the time frame.  This may have been a last minute thing as far as when they got the track to Wayne.  When that happens, you cant hold up the process for cheese.  What that song can do for their career with the right publicist is CRAZY!  So you gotta roll with it to get the deal done.  If you start holding out for a lil bit of doe in the beginning, Wayne can just say "Nevermind" and now you got NOTHING.  No single, no video, NO PUBLISHING...NOTHING!  There aren't too many producers who can afford to turn Wayne down if given the opportunity.  I'd give Wayne a beat for free if he promised me a SINGLE.

    If you a hustler, after the right single, you can go get a 6 or 7 figure deal.

    So I just wanted to brief whoever didn't know some of the REALITIES of the game.

    This is the truth. Wayne don't handle the buisness of paying people he got people that does this. I hope play and skillz get theres because we all got family to take care of.
    May 12, 2009 4:40 PM
     

    SEVERE SWAGGA said:

    PLAY AND SKILLZ MAKE HOTT TRACKS 4 ALOT OF ARTIST..WAYNES PEOPLE NEED TA PAY UP ....
    May 12, 2009 4:46 PM
     

    Daily Recap - 5/12/09 at SNICKA.com said:

    May 12, 2009 4:58 PM
     

    Blog Fast Food » Blog Archive » Play-N-Skillz Headed For Legal Showdown With Lil Wayne - allhiphop.com said:

    May 12, 2009 5:30 PM
     

    STEVEN318 said:

    this has nothing 2 do with wayne they need 2 sue cash money just like they was posting wayne was sueing all these djs and when in fact it wasnt him its his label!
    May 12, 2009 5:54 PM
     

    FlaveDave said:

    WAYNE BROKE ASS
    May 12, 2009 6:36 PM
     

    brenteazy06 said:

    GO WEEZY CHECKOUT MY SHIRT use the coupon code:myflashshirt      http://vur.me/jefffbiz/shirt
    May 12, 2009 9:01 PM
     

    ReamUU said:

    Got money huh??.......... LOL
    May 12, 2009 9:10 PM
     

    Rumors said:

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    content within this section is pure rumor and generally have no factual
    info...
    May 13, 2009 3:12 AM
     

    Risky Bizness said:

    DAMNNNNNNNNNNN

    @EVERYONE,, QUESTION- What is your motivation as a beat maker/producer to get on the most popular rappers album
    WHEN YOU AIN"T GET PAID! WOW, BALLING!!!

    First T-mack sued wayne for producing a majority of carter 2

    And now these cats for carter 3

    May 13, 2009 11:33 AM
     

    Eartodastreetz: Play-N-Skillz Taking Lil Wayne To Court said:

    May 13, 2009 11:38 AM
     

    LJBronxPhillyRep said:

    To all the Wayne lovers, this is why Mannie Fresh left, niggas don't wanna pay for beats.
    May 14, 2009 1:35 PM
     

    cocacolaclassic said:

    I think much of wayne's current success can be attributed to working with a variety of producers with different sounds/styles rather than just one producer, which was the case w/ Mannie Fresh for the first ten years of his career..so I was never mad he left, besides its rumored Mannie will do the Hot Boys reunion cd if it goes through.

    As for Play N Skillz they are the ones bragging how they will be doing tracks for a t-wayne album and carter IV and they ain't even been paid for a track over a year old, I don't know how credible this article is, but I wouldn't be bragging about working with someone who hadn't paid me for my effort.
    May 14, 2009 3:53 PM
     

    cocacolaclassic said:

    I think much of wayne's current success can be attributed to working with a variety of producers with different sounds/styles rather than just one producer, which was the case w/ Mannie Fresh for the first ten years of his career..so I was never mad he left, besides its rumored Mannie will do the Hot Boys reunion cd if it goes through.

    As for Play N Skillz they are the ones bragging how they will be doing tracks for a t-wayne album and carter IV and they ain't even been paid for a track over a year old, I don't know how credible this article is, but I wouldn't be bragging about working with someone who hadn't paid me for my effort.
    May 14, 2009 3:53 PM
     

    O-Gorillah said:

    Money first! They buggin!
    May 14, 2009 7:49 PM
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