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CultJam Discusses "Lies" In Lisa Lisa Movie, Full Force's Erasure, New Album And More
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Mar 18, 2025
The Lifetime biopic "Can You Feel the Beat: The Lisa Lisa Story" was supposed to tell the incredible story of Lisa Lisa. But, what about Cult Jam… what if the saga was full of LIES? 🤯 Cult Jam’s Mike Hughes is breaking his silence—revealing shocking details about how the movie erased Full Force, twisted the truth, and completely left them out of their own history. Was it intentional? Who’s really behind the rewrite? Buckle up—because this story is WILD, full of historical facts and fact-checking! Let’s get into it… 🎬🔥 Subscribe to AllHipHop on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/allhiphoptv?sub_confirmation=1 Check out more of AHH here on social media: https://allhiphop.com https://twitter.com/allhiphopcom https://facebook.com/allhiphopcom https://instagram.com/allhiphopcom Executive Producers: “Grouchy” Greg Watkins and Chuck “Jigsaw” Creekmur AllHipHop.com, a powerhouse in the Hip-Hop world, was established and brought to life in 1998 by the visionary CEOs "Grouchy" Greg Watkins and Chuck "Jigsaw" Creekmur. Over the years, AllHipHop has solidified its position as an invaluable hub for all things Hip-Hop on the web. With its daily dose of news, exclusive interviews, in-depth reviews, multimedia content, a newly-minted expanding community, and a treasure trove of other engaging material, it has garnered immense praise and a dedicated following. Renowned publications consistently turn to AllHipHop for their news and feature references, attesting to the site's unparalleled accuracy and trustworthiness. Additionally, AllHipHop has fostered strong partnerships with numerous offline print magazines, newspapers, television networks, and radio stations, further cementing its influence and reach in the world of #HipHop. #chuckcreekmur #allhiphoptv #allhiphop #grouchygreg
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what's going on everybody Shaman Chuck creeker AKA jigsaw allhiphop.com is here
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with a legendary group with some new editions shout out to Cult Jam Mike and
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mytina soul all right how y'all doing good good wonderful Mike Hughes
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did I get get get the names right and everything yes perfect all right good
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good well I'm glad to have y'all here um you know there's a lot going on cult Jam's name is back in the you know in
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the headline so to speak a little little controversy going on it's just a little
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bit and um but you guys are also up to a lot of new stuff too so we want to talk about that a little bit in addition to
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some of the things going on with regard to the Lisa Lisa Cult Jam movie
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um so first things first you guys are you guys are still going which is
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something that maybe everyone does not know so talk talk to me a little bit about where you all are right now yes C
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Jam uh we released an album last year um well actually yeah yeah last year called
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Cult Jam Love C gem loves features our beautiful lead singer Miss mytina soul
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and um so uh you know we got together with mytina a few years ago sometime
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after Co okay and um we started writing some stuff we started sending her our
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music and she wrote some beautiful lyrics to our stuff and so we put together an album that we that we love
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that has you know um a nice array of styles of music you know um what Co Jam
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is known for nice R&B and dance stuff you know and that's what we're excited
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about right now and we're in the in the midst of right now we're Knee Deep and writing some new stuff for the new album
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for 2025 okay okay so let me ask you um
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mytina how did you how did how from your perspective your Vantage Point um coming into this
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iconic group what what were your thoughts prior to did you know about
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them or you know were you were you did you idolize the the the group uh early
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on yeah definitely in my childhood I mean as soon as I heard um Can You Feel
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The Beat come over the radio I was like what and I knew and I knew from the way
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she's Sayang it I was like oh that's she's Puerto Rican like I just knew that you know because I can ident you know
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I'm I'm boriqua so it was just something so relatable to me and but matter of
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fact though even before Can You Feel The Beat it was a vinyl had um Lo no no no
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no not lost an emotion it was um the head to toe the head to toe single had
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different kind of remixes on it and I remember all these musical parts on it I remember the guitar solo and it's kind
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of like when I juxtapose it today when I'm rehearsing with them and I hear Alex do that guitar solo I'm brought back to
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my child I was like wow I I was like idolizing this part of the record right
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you know and now it's in front of my face like it's amazing that's dope yeah we should note
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that Alex uh spanador did I say that right spanador
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yes spanador Mosley's not with us right now hopefully he joins us but if not we will you know continue on as as usual um
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so so you know coming back from a long Hiatus um if you will and
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re-entering into the music game how different is it to uh join not only join
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the group but also for you Mike to come back to the game to the Forefront yeah
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wow um yeah the music scene has changed you know uh over the years and um it's
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like almost like we're a new group you know you know we do have a legacy but it's almost like we're a new group so
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you know we're letting people hear us and prove ourselves and you know it's it's it's it's interesting it's a lot of
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work you know it's a lot of work but um you know we're up for the challenge because you know we know what we have
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you know we know what we are who we are you know so it's not like you know um you know we don't have a foundation we
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have a strong foundation and we're musicians you know I mean we're coming true you know and we have a lot to say
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and mytina is helping us say it so you know we love our future man nice now
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you're in New York City the New York city is so different now I mean you know
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even from when I first moved there to now but even before that um
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obviously it seemed like it was a more vibrant scene um culturally
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creatively um and I'm not saying it's not that now but it feels far more
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Global and homogenized even um what are your thoughts on the specifically the
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New York scene wow I mean let me just say quickly I know you want to get in
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there too um but as far as like now and then you know I see musicians knew each
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other we fed off of each other you know we had the system you know I grew up
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with GQ oh my God the system you gotta give us you know the beginnings of Hip Hop
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you know you know uto we used to see grandmas Flash and Melly Mel used to come to Brooklyn and play the Brooklyn
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Zoo you know I mean we we the community we felt the community we felt each other
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we fed off of each other you know when straight first came out we set it off you know me we we knew him you know I
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mean you know everyone knew each other you know when they were doing shows we were doing shows you know DET train you
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know there was such a community of artists and we fed off of each other and that community don't feel that anymore
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you know yeah yeah I was going to say for me New
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York uh the New York scene musically especially within the dance genre house
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hip-hop whatever it might be anywhere where you have a collection of the black
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diaspora it was a Vibe and New York definitely had its own thing and you can
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thank the DJs in part because the DJs used to listen to the community hey we're taking your request like literally
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they'd be like we're taking your request call us up they used to be a thing and you could call up and say yo I heard
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this song at a club you should totally like play this and the DJ be like all right like you know they they be playing
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it and then it that's for me that's how you create culture and that was one of
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the many things that just made the New York scene for me back then so different
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and unique in of it self and um I I I get so nerdy about this because I was
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obsessed with radio growing up but everything for me it a a change was felt
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I felt in the late 90s when radio was starting to like the the big conglomerates were eating up the smaller
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markets and then those smaller markets were playing whatever National thing that the corporation is playing and it
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was it was done on purpose you know it was done purposefully they had clinical trials everything change the mindset
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they wanted to know well you know we don't want to put a song that's too unique because we don't want people to tune out of the station so they don't
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hear the commercials in between so we're just going to put a song that's just okay it just kind of grabs you you don't
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necessarily want to leave you know but you don't necessarily like think it's the best song but for me I felt I felt
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the energy was just different back then like when a song was just epic and it had a Vibe you just knew that there was
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something about that and it was okay it was okay to have that and with radio developing songs this is where the name
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cold Jam came from you know when a song is small when song is known just in that
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club just in that in fun house or bonds or the garage you know I mean those are
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cult that's a cult the garage is a cult you know I mean and and then a DJ would
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get on the radio BLS or whatever and play that cach you know over like a fat
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rat come on over like a fat rat that's not National play but yo that was a that
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was a hit in the street Club DJ started playing it records blew up big time same
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thing would I wonder if I take it home those were C jams that that were from the community from the you know you know
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from the culture and then they blew up because the radio dared to play them and
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and people realized oh these jams are dope you know what I mean you know it's not just the top 40 on the radio you
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know it's it's it's these underground hits you know and that's that's a big
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difference absolutely mytina can you tell us just a little bit about your background you you said a few buzzword
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that I was like a what she know what she know about clinical trials or tests or
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you know things like that so what's your background like Beyond just being a great singer what's
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your what's you know tell a little bit about myself um I was educated at has
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University my major was broadcast journalism and I got into that honestly
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because of Michael Jackson I know it's a weird connection but I got into broadcast journalism because I felt the
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media was treating him unfairly growing up and I felt like I felt like his
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lawyer like I was always defending him you know because people be coming at the Woodworks i' be like well but that's not
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true cuz you know they didn't really look into whatever so it kind of um
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watching the way that the media hounds a lot of of celebrities unfairly it's
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different when you have a celebrity who like is actually doing things but like I felt like just a lot of people it didn't
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matter who it was it could have been Mariah Carey the way that they mistreated her in the media all because
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what she gained 10 pounds you know oh she had an alcoholic beverage you know that's the way they were and they just
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spawned this this the the rumor mill and I was I was always obsessed with um how
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they can influence people to believe something so much that it's like oh that
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it doesn't become a lie anymore the more you say it so that's why I went to broadcast journalism and kind of became
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like try to gain more knowledge from people over there about how radio came
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to be okay Mike um let's talk about your
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Origins a little bit you know your your Origins with Alex and like how you got
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into music music and things like that yeah you know it's it's again it goes
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back to the Brooklyn community and uh our neighborhood in east Flat Bush and um and knowing all
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the same people and that's how you know we all groomed together when full force moved into my neighborhood and East
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Flatbush and and they became my older mentors and then uh when I got to high
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school um you know we were we were DJing we were being a band we played block
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parties and and college you know high schools and stuff like that we were DJing then we were DJing at at the
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colleges we were DJing at um Baro College okay and at Baro College um I
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met this kid that was playing piano in the piano room with girls around him bad what with him that's how I
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talked to him he knew my boy that was DJing you know he knew uh AEL his name
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was and this guy name was Alex I said yo Alex what's up man you know you know we know the same people we started hanging
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out and he took me to this rehearsal he see yeah I'm rehearsing with this band he took me to this rehearsal and a
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guitar player was dope and his name was Vernon Reed the lead guitar player from
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Living Color so Alex was playing bass with Living Color when I met him wow I
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said this dude is dope man I said yo if I ever put together band you're the
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first brother I'm gonna call and just so happened right you know things happened for a reason you know just what happened
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right around that time be fine wrote I wonder if I take you home you know and he said and I heard it and everybody
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heard it you know he let us all hear it and beine sing the sing the track he sang imagine be singing the track I was
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like oh that sound crazy why singing like a girl you know I mean but be wrote These lyrics these Girl lyrics you know
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I mean and you know yeah I can hear that I can hear that I can hear like a little
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Spanish girl singing like that you know and I like hm all right all right that's an
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interesting idea so I my head I was like yo if I put together a b get a a girl my
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boy alex bring it back to them you know so you know I sent that word I was
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looking for a girl and my boy uh fared at the fun house he's like yo I think I
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know somebody I give you her number gave me a number I talked to her on the phone
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I said come to Brooklyn know she came to Brooklyn I brought Alex over and we
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listened to her sing nice nice vocals she's a pretty girl with nice vocals I
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think be would like this you know what I mean so I went over to them I said yo guys I got a
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group for their song You Know game of the group is called Jam we sing this
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song be and be like ah okay I gotta hear this girl so we brought over you know
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and they left her they love what we did they left the name called Jam you know
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Steve Salem who was full force manager at the time became our manager too he said all right Co Jam H that sounds
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interesting I need a little more flavor little more flavor I said how about Lisa
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Lisa like roxan roxan or Duran Duran Lisa Lisa and Coan that has a
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ring and there it was Lisa Lisa Coan we recorded I wonder if I take you home and can you feel a
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be wow oh those were done at the same time yeah yeah yeah yeah um um wonder I chck
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was first uh and uh we we were on a uh went I for a ticket home and this guy
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Jurgen COV he had a label and um so he
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decided to sign us on this label called Personnel records uh at the time his wife was an
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artist on that label clauda Barry Claud Barry was a dance hit artist back in the days
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look her up and uh so he had her his wife as his arti main artist he said
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yeah I can do something you know with this you know and then we went in I remember we recorded uh Kenny filer be
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he put up the money of course he was was a label and he was listening to the lyrics so Kenny pher be you know he was
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a German guy you know he's like wasn't feeling the lyrics you know he's like you
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know do my blind I can hear a you know I I don't hear that I don't hear that
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you know like don't worry yur don't worry it's a hit it's a hit it's a hit you know I mean so it's funny how you
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know different people hear things and don't hear the same thing you know what I mean you know you can have a room of
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10 people and they all hear something different you know I mean he was complaining about the lyrics and this and that you know I mean so but you know
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little did he know little did any of us know that it it would turn out to be what it was so he got the personal
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records he put it out and and you know it was a small label so it wasn't going
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to do much unless it got some buzz from a label you know from a radio right but
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what he was able to do was get it on a hip hop hip-hop break dance album how
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two break dance had instructions and everything how to go down and do up Rock
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had his instructional break dance album and we were one of the songs on it and
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of course um rocking it was on it too so basically basically this was by Columbia
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Records you know I mean but he to get us on there you know I mean so it was out
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in London you know and uh it started getting played in London you know
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England and stuff like that and then uh DJ and New York like I said it's from
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the culture DJ and New York started playing it on BLS and they started playing it in Silver Shadow and stuff
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like all the all the clubs you know and Columbia said hey we got to release this
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here this record is blowing up you know and that's how it happened you know I have to say you know as a young man let
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me just go back to my young young days we had a huge crush on Lisa Lisa I
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think everybody did basically um that was uh that was a definite moment you
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guys hit like a meteorite almost um and
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uh you know obviously full force was back there as well can you talk a little bit
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about the relationship with full force as it related to those those
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records well like I said I you know theyed to from day one when we used to practice in the
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basement and these flat Bush they try to get shows at Club ecstasy and stuff like that open up for GQ things like that
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Crown Heights Affair right they call me up through oock in the morning Mike we gonna gonna put up posters man you know
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and they call me up and I come out of my house and we stick up posters on all the
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all the trees down Easter Parkway come to Manhattan stick up posters you know so show full force people didn't know
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who full force was but their posters were all over the place they they were working hard you know and they they
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managed to open up for people and and have good shows but it it just wasn't
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happening they were on a small label themselves you know yeah and um and they they came out with a couple of singles
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back in the days on a small label and finally when I introduced
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him to my boy Kango and this is again Small World stuff this kid goes to my
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high school Wingate in Brooklyn and and some guys are bullying
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him he's in the ninth grade you know bullying Kango kid bullying Kango in ninth grade little grimy little kid you
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know and by that time I was in almost in the 12th grade so I was already lifting weights with Paul Anthony okay Paul
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Anthony was the lift weight guy so we already started lifting weights with Paul so I already had a little size on
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me you know it's like yo man you know these guys messing with me you know so you know I said all right right stick by
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me you know so he stuck by me he was cool we got talking and Kango was a
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talker they go talk about yo man I rap I pop I dance I do this man you know Kango
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do does everything he break out break dancing right in the middle of the hallway in school you know but he could
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back it up the kid was dope you know so you know I brought him around these flat
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Bush and and they they saw him they they met him saw him dance they like this kid
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is dope he brought doc Dr ice and and Dr ice came and put on a show right for us
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right on right on 46 Street and like these kids are bad these kids are dope
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was like we could do something with them you know we could do something with them so uh yeah um it start the idea again
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came from full force roxan roxan the police were already hot the name roxan
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was a hot name you know I mean so full force you know started started there you
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know they put together the the the the title and everything and with them and uto together they came up with roxan
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roxan they put Force put together the beats you know
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um and yeah yeah and before you know it they released on a small label again
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select records but this was too hot to hold back roxan roxan just blew up and
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and that helped full force really get in the door as producers you know and so
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that that's why you know when they wrote I went if I take you home you know people were looking at them you know already as producers they felt confident
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that they could do it and so when they put together the Beats again putting together the beats in the song I if I
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take you home so they were establishing themselves as producers and then they started putting together a network of
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people you know they met hoe T you know ho T brought him into the F you know and
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how we T you know how we T and full force got together you know and put together to answer the real Rock sand
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you know I mean and you know it just it just things just started growing you know and Kangle got confident after UFO
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started hitting he started producing and he produced whistle you know I mean so like the family just started growing the
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full force family just started growing really big and it you know it was all because of them they were the they were
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the fathers of all of that you know and so much came out of that you know and
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then of course they ended up with getting their record contract on Columbia Records and releasing their first album you know and and and then
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that blew up so yeah we put on a big family tour we we all went out on the road together with
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forfo L and C Jam whistle I mean we were all on the road man that was Brooklyn
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was tearing it up yeah W that's that's amazing I hope people watching this
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Google every name you mentioned because almost like each individual story has
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its own story and they're all interconnected exactly exactly exactly because out out of how T alone you know
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it was Rock sand then it was chub Rock and it was uh um um oh man I can't
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forget man I'm old it's all good but yeah more names you know how T you know
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you know really really just just all out of the full force family just things kept coming you know and and then of
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course sh Pepsi Riley then ex-girlfriends and you know just all of this add the full force family then
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their Productions started getting so big you know from James Brown to Samantha
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Fox you know you know it's just man Fox was like how'd that happen like yeah I
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was like how did this work that's crazy you know and you know because you know people started reaching out for them
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from Europe you know you know you know European that's you know that's the funny thing about Europe in in
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London they really relish American
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R&B because the first time we ever went to Europe to London even Japan we saw we
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were group from the 880s we saw groups from the 70s basically living out there
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yeah because their careers were still happening you know they were past tense
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here in America but in Europe they were still living you know Lakeside people
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like that shalomar you know they had they had continuous careers you know in
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in Europe in London and in Japan you know so that's a that's a funny thing you know so anyway they reached out to
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for Force cuz full force was so hot and they had this girl that that was a she was a pinup girl the pinup girl for for
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the magazines and they said yeah you know you know I think she had something out already too yeah oh yeah she had
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something out for sure had something already theyed but they wanted this influence they wanted that AR you know
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that New York r&b influence and they they hit it with her I want to have some fun and stuff like that really hit you
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know put her on the map for sure I love that song growing up I even made a joke
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about it last week because I found some old footage of me when I'm like four or
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five years old dancing to that song with my cousins and I was joking around like
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oh yeah I was an original member of Full Force whatever like you know something like that I love that song that is so
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funny it's funny how music was well I I don't want to sound old myself but it it
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felt different I don't know just felt different um all right so I'm fast forward just just slightly um can you
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give me a general idea of the the inner workings of Lisa Lisa Cult Jam how was
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your relationship overall what what was the dynamic like was it good was there
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art the dynamic was great I mean she was our little sister just like mytina is
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our little sister you know I mean you know you know me and Alex were two mature guys even in our 20s you know I
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mean we were clowns you know and we T we were crazy
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but with our family you know you know our family was our family you know and
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especially especially girls because you know I have a little sister he has he has little sisters and nieces you know
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so she was our little sister you know and we took care of her nothing ever
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went down with Lisa you know I mean you know and and and then as we started
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getting more money because you know at first when we our first tours we didn't have any money you know we went out we
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our first tours we called we called um Dusty tours because the places we played
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were very dusty and we played a place one time the lights went out and wow so
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the crew had flashlights aimed at us on stage you know these were the early of
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lisais and coj you know what I mean but once we started getting money you know
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first thing we did was hire uh a a bodyguard Felisa you know before we had
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a bodyguard Felisa our road managers were always slash bodyguards so okay our
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all our Rose managers were all big right you know big dudes to protect Lisa not
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us you know you know who cares about us you know we're running around you know me and Alex run but Lisa she's five foot
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tall you know I mean and the youngest so every every every manager Road manager
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was Slash bodyguard you know yo Alex Mike guys gotta get on the bus at four
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o'clock make sure you're there but then they go to Lisa's room get her luggage pick her up and take her you know I mean
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that's you know where those guys at you know so we were like they yell at us to get on the bus but they go and you know
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so that's how it always was we took care of Lisa when we traveled to Europe you know we took care Lisa make sure
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everything you know what do you need you know all right Lisa has everything she needs she has some food she has a snack
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she goes to her room and me and Alex go run out and hit the town you know I mean and that's the way it was you know I
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mean because she didn't want to run around with us you know what I mean you know she get on the phone probably call family you know whatever you know that's
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what girls do you know but what guys do we go out and be crazy you know I mean try to meet girls in Europe you know I
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mean whatever you know but but that's the way it was and that's the way it was through our through all our time you
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know um together you know we were family you know and like a family you know we we had we had arguments you know we had
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disagreements about things but we always worked things out we had a state show everybody did what they supposed to do
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you know I mean you know Lisa came on and did her thing you know I I ranged
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everything put the show put the show together you know um I was come and make
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sure everybody's playing the right stuff you know what I mean you know and and so we all had our parts and we all did our
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thing you know and and we hire people to come in and out so you know we've had we
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had a lot of band members and and people you know that worked for us we hired people from our neighborhood you know it
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was always a family it was people we knew people we cared about you know and and when we auditioned new people they
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had to fit with us to be on a tour bus with us you know Night and Day Day and Night you know so some people we hire
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they be on the road with us and we like oh this guy doesn't fit with us you know and then we had to let him go you know
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what I mean you know you know things like that but you know so we you know everyone had to communicate it had to be
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a you know because we knew we were gonna live together you know in small Quarters on a tour bus and things like that so
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our relationship was always cool and even when it ended it didn't end bad it
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ended because things were changing you know what I mean things were changing with
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the label though things were changing with money money's always funky and once once
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money gets funky people start you know acting different and feeling different and people talking in people's ears you
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know I mean obviously after nine years at least being our lead singer people talking in the air you know I mean you
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know you don't need you know you don't need a band you don't need to coach and you know you just be solo you know so
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all of those things came to the end of us you know and but it wasn't like oh
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you know it was like first was like okay we need to try some new things we need to try maybe some space you know I mean
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and we'll come back together we actually thought we were GNA come back together you know I mean everyone just needed
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some space after working with each other that much that we needed a little space and then we'll get back together but
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getting back together just never happened even though there were many talks about it and there were few almost
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over the years but it just never happened yeah okay so let so let's get
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to the let's get to it uh February 1st
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20125 uh lifetime debuts Can You Feel The Beat the Lisa Lisa story is that the
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correct title that's that's the story K you feel beat the lisais yeah yeah now now F
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Jam is in this movie represented um fully or you know what
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one would assume what one would assume is fully meaning you know your casual
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Observer you're looking you know they okay there they are will um let me ask
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you you know your general thoughts on the movie and um even mytina if you w to
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answer this as well what what did you think of the movie overall okay well first
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off we found out that this movie was coming out probably a month before it
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came and so we were like okay wow that's that's
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interesting that she got you know you know to to think
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that your career is that interesting that someone wants to do a movie is you
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know that's interesting at the start you're like wow really okay you know I mean you know um that's cool I guess but
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then you gotta guess because like no one reached out to us so are we in the movie
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you know I mean you know are are we in a and how are we in the movie if no one reached out to us you know then okay
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that's interesting so now you're like you have all these mixed thoughts you know that's cool but is it cool you know
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I mean are you gonna be in it are you gonna be the back of your heads and that's what I thought for the longest I
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was like you know what they're gonna do they're gonna show the back of our heads
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on a performance and say you know at least is a coach performing on stage and show the back of our heads and show her
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and I started to believe that and felt you know what that's okay you know I
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mean because they didn't talk to me about my representation so it's about her so they'll just show some images and
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that's cool you know what I mean you know it's about her so that's cool yeah and I was cool with that then later on
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someone told me oh no there some guys playing you I was like what so means
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they're not going to show the back heads they're going to actually have people being us but no one spoke to us so how
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is that gonna play out how are they gonna who told the story then of us it's
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GNA be a story of us like are we gonna have lines are we gonna do things you
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know are we gonna do good things are we gonna do stupid things you know like all that all those kind of thoughts in your
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head because you know you you no one spoke to you so you don't know what expect right so then the movie comes out
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and we see it and the first scenes come out and this dude comes up and says Mike
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H I'm like okay okay so what is this guy gonna do
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and this thing started being wrong and I'm like wow that's
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wrong that's wrong why they do that that's wrong and that's wrong and hey
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wait a minute what was full force who's this
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guy is this guy supposed to be for force is he who's
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that in the whole movie I was like wait a minute you like I don't understand I
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don't understand anything that's happening in this movie I'm like it's so confusing you know mean and and why is
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she there and why is she there and why is she there and why she there and why she there she wasn't there what
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happening with this you know what I mean so the whole thing I was like I don't understand this you know I mean it no
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one if if someone just asked me a question maybe I could have you know
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helped it along but no I wasn't asked anything so maybe maybe this is called
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confused maybe this is a confused memory of someone you know I mean it's been 40
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years maybe people have things mixed up in their mind maybe is that it
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no when and I was like this is a mess this
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a and how are people gonna okay people gonna watch this and what are they gonna say what are they gonna say about me
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what are they gonna say about the group because this is a mess and and people
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started calling me calling me calling me calling like no
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no that's wrong I'm sorry that's wrong and I'm fiing
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questions and and Alex is like laughing about it he's he has a sense of humor
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about it the guy that played him you know what I mean but he's like but this is so wrong I'm like yeah I know it's so
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wrong in every way and I start talking to Lou and Lou is like what the hell and I'm like I know it's crazy and and the
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thing is because we were portrayed in the movie I don't want people to think that oh yeah we were down with it you
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know what I mean because we weren't down with it no one spoke to us and and the facts are all wrong and I'm the one who
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knows the facts because it was me that put everything together so the facts are
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wrong and and it's crazy yeah yeah there's a lot there's a
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lot to say about it it's a lot I mean my first antennas went off obviously with
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the with uh full force being omit you know not included let's I mean it's
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omitted they were eliminated from the the movie completely erased out of the story which to me was egregious I'll
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just you be very honest um not that yours wasn't egregious but from our
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point of view you might not know other the particulars right so that was the first thing that threw me off um let me
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ask you this is there any reason that you can think of that full force would
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be eliminated we were talking about this a
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lot um we heard their reason you know what they put out yes yes yeah didn't
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seem be obviously in something like this you could take two minutes a short
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amount of time and and just you know make everything correct
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the whole full force Co jam and Lisa in two minutes you
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know what I mean but they didn't want to do that yeah what
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their focus was that would have infered interfered with their
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focus and their focus was to make a
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friendship bigger than everything else and something that really didn't actually exist at that time you know um
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um to be perfectly honest because Alex is not here Alex always tells me Mike gota be honest I try to make things like
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you know like yo man rtic but you know we can be real but
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they this the girl that was hired as one of our background
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singers um Tony joined us a couple of years into
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our our touring and then she was really let go
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go uh at one time and then she was brought back again because she was a
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little older and we felt she was a little more mature so um that's her entrance and
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exit through the three years that the movie takes place okay they wanted to make it seem like she was there from day
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one so feeling filling the story up with her I guess you know um trumped telling
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the true story of Lisa Lisa and Co jam and full force
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yeah um but you know my whole thing is also if you're gonna name the movie Can
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You Feel The Beat that's the name that full force came up with which was the song that
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full force wrote so how do you not say their name yeah
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you know in the movie and and and and and and and point them out you know I
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mean because that's the name of the movie if the name of the movie was just the Lisa Lisa
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story then you could have went a lot of different ways you know I mean you could have kind of skipped us even you know I
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mean and went into Lisa you know uh you know how she how she came about where
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she was born you know what I mean and and and then you know how she went how she ended up with a TV show and how she
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end up on Law and Order you know there's a whole lot of Lisa story you know I mean and then how she ended up being
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having Tony as her manager which is the situation you know and how their
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friendship developed but that's all after that's not during that three period of time when the movie took place
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so they wanted to fuse that time with our time which just made everything a
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hot mess a hot mess you know and and that's why people confus and and and and
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and and then end up being you know it's a confusion you know because we all know
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that sometimes when you make a a movie uh something like that a
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biopic you have to make things I don't know you have to but people make things
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up to make it more dramatic you mean they tell a few stories H this happen
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that happened more dramatic now you know I mean viewers really want to love this you know I mean right um and that and
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that we all understand we we all should understand you know I mean some people don't they they what they see on TV is
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fact right but um then when you go on interviews you go on somebody's TV show
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you go on the morning show go on whatever and you say yeah that's what
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happened this happened and that happened now you're backing up the stories that
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you made up in the movie the movie is one thing we know that the movie's fictional we know that the movie's not
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true because it's dramatic but now you're going on national TV shows going on reputable
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shows you know what I mean and telling them yeah this is really what happened then now you're lying right you know so
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you know so you know and then you can't turn around and back up saying oh yeah but full for us we loved them we just
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didn't think that you can't back it up after that now you can't backtrack you know I mean you know you already started
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lying and now it's just a hot mess so I just want to clar well not clarify but
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just kind of Orient people um there was a lot of backlash to the point where
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Lisa Lisa and Tony addressed the controversy in a joint Instagram post
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where they say the reasons why full force wasn't in there and there was some
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ex well reasons and those reasons primarily seem to be one this is Lisa
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Lisa's story and two or and Tony's and Tony's story and three there was a lot
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of confusion about Cult Jam and for Force which I might add I
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never in my life as a youngster younger person thought um C J I personally this
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is just me maybe I was a student too much but I never thought um there was confusion between Cult Jam
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and full force personally that's just me um I'm originally from Delaware you know
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so I didn't I wasn't around the streets of New York or anything be confused um I
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was never confused even off the first song even off let me you know I wonder
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if I take you home I never was confused so it did mean in my opinion no hate no
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no you know no animosity I just didn't understand the reasoning didn't make
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sense to me you know which which is why I asked L I asked bleed Lou which he did
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not uh respond like you know what happened like something had to happen why would they do that um so anyway
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that's just my I'm looking for answers myself as I'm sure many people are
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looking for answers um Tony Tony seems to be very very deeply involved in
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Lisa's career she's got um a heavy hand in the uh creation of this movie um her
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story is absolutely threaded um very intimately through um again like you
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mentioned um almost like they were just best friends the whole time but that's just I guess you're saying not true she
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came after after a couple of couple
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albums okay well um you know like I said
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um know for a fact that um during Lisa's solo career mm when she released the
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album ski to Malu solo career um and then they were on tour
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they were doing tours Tony was hired as her background singer then when Lisa's manager passed
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Stephy um Tony assume the job of so
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this is all in the recent years this is all in the 2000s um some people say the
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latest the later 90s the late later 90s into the 2000s so this has nothing to do
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with the leas Le and Co Jam time you know you know all the Lisa Lisa time
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Lisa Lisa solo time so yeah but I guess they felt that that time was an
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interesting enough for a mov you know what I mean you know you know you know
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um have you have you I know I think I know the answer to this but have you talked to any of them um
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no no um you know uh the last time we
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spoke to Lisa oh last time we were supposed to speak to Lisa just a little
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just a little uh just a little um Insight of of of what's kind
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of what we know the found um her management which is Snoop Dogg
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entertainment if you don't know people don't know that's her management and they reached out to us to
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all of us saying that we would like to have Al Lisa Lisa and coam and full force
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tour and so they reached out to us and we were like wow that's pretty interesting pretty cool you know um so
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we're g to do a Skype call everybody's all the all the
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parties be on this call and it's cool it's like okay wow you know I me me Alex were like really
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is this something that's gonna happen really you know we you know you know because we always down for this you know
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I mean it's our history you know I mean to to to to a three of us that's our
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history that's something I put together that's my dream that's my baby you know I mean so yeah so this is gonna happen
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again what so then the day comes the call happens and we all start chiming in
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on the call all our faces in the boxes and Tony Marsh faces in the box
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and there's no Lisa I'm like where's Lisa and Tony says
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no she's not gonna be on this call and we knew it's not going to
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happen yeah it's not going to happen and that's fact everybody all
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full force everybody was on that call yeah and there was there was also one
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other time for the um the Puerto Rican Day Parade you know um I was asked to be
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on the float by a um uh a PR PR agency and they're in Puerto Rican
48:16
so they're both PR in many ways um but I was asked to be on the float for the parade uh the past year and I was like
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yeah that'd be dope whatever so you know I I go over there and then I I also remember that uh Lisa is like um the
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gadre we call you know the Godmother of the parade and I was like oh my God that'd
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be like so dope like because I'm I'm still a fan so I'm like oh my God it' Be So Dope if I could actually see her meet
48:45
her the best thing and they I I believe she was releasing a new single in
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Spanish um I believe it was like All Cried Out in Spanish yeah okay like I
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know you guys you in particular you were like actually setting like back and forth I think with Tony or something to
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like set something up where we where we can be at the uh at the show
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but not me what yeah yeah they were
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having yeah yeah they were having they were having they were inviting people
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you know to this to this you know record hearing party inviting people and they
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reached out to us and we were shocked okay you know they say yeah you know because All Cried Out is part of
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our history so you know we want you guys to be there represent you know Lisa's
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new song we said okay well we want to bring mytina of course you know I mean
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cuz we you know we're the new group now le no they said no
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no no sorry we you know you can't have it you know we're full we can't have
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another guest that's that's Petty so you didn't
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go and all of you none of you no we didn't go no we you know no we're a
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group you know we're a group we're going to this thing as a group you know I mean we go to functions as a group we're
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coach you know mean yeah yeah oh man okay okay so uh do you do
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you guys sing those songs now do you sing those the the the old songs All Cried Out and um you still you still
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sing them okay yeah and every time we do a show every time we do a show bolega Lou and Paul they try to
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come out to the show so they can sing with me yeah they sing All Cried Out with mytina
50:54
yeah I mean they okay so they have yeah they s all we're C Jam you know what I mean
51:01
that's that's our Legacy you know I mean you know you know Alex Alex you know we played on that Alex played the Bas syn
51:08
on all you know on on that stuff you know we played on all our stuff you know this our stuff you know I mean he was
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the lead singer at the time but this is our stuff with a legacy you know I mean you know and in the museum in in the
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museum in Tennessee the African African-American Museum in Tennessee L
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and Coan here we are you know I mean you know Coan you know I mean so those those songs are part of us you know we perform
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those songs as well as performing all the stuff from Co Jam love and all the stuff we do yeah yeah um has Lou ever
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stuck a sticker on you mytina that's the question I have for you has he ever pranked you oh
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no he hasn't got a chance to do that with her okay okay okay okay because I
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said give it some time give it some time is ultimate clown but that's that's my
51:59
big brother you know what I mean we you know you know uh through all the times you know uh all the times that that you
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know that we were a group then we then you know the group were in the group anymore we you know our friendship you
52:16
know with all of them period you know I mean these were guys that I went clubbing with you know I mean learned
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music you know you know went to to see groups for the first time you know we
52:29
went to see Prince for the first time you know on his first tour in New York at Webster Hall you know what I mean you
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know we watch people like that and we said we want to perform like that that's the kind of fade show we want this this
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is what groomed us you know and these guys help groom us and this is the kind of show that cold Jam has always put
52:47
together you know I mean so you know this is the kind of show that you can always expect from us from
52:53
1985 to 202 5 this kind of show you know
52:59
a well-groomed show that you're going to always see from cjam because this who we are you
53:04
know nice now we were real quick we were off offline or whatever we're talking
53:10
about Angie Stone and the tragedy with her you know I'm all about positivity
53:17
healing Vibes um if there was anything each of you could say to Lisa what would
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you say to her right now if if if we could move if if if if that's how you
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feel um what what would you say you know in the interest of moving
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forward she was always my baby sister you know I mean we NE we had we didn't have a Fallout and that's how we're not
53:42
we're not talking you know the last time I saw her was at her 50th birthday I
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went to her 50th birthday in in long you know what I mean and we hung out and they performed and everything and they
53:53
brought me up and you know we were Clowning Around you know so you know that's you know you know you know and in
54:01
all the camps know each other you know I know some have background singers things like that you know so you
54:08
know there's no there's there's no reason for the lack of communication you
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know I mean you know she's always my baby sister she'll always be you know I mean you know you know uh I don't
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consider this movie a stab in the back or anything like that I just think you know I think the wrong people ended up
54:26
writing the stuff you know I mean and you know it just they just did it wrong you know I mean but I don't hate her for
54:34
it you know I mean I just think people that got involved did it wrong you know I mean she's is my baby sister that's
54:41
it mytina as a fan you have you you've never met her to this day is this
54:48
correct so so you know I I just want to say God mommy please meet your
54:53
goddaughter yes absolutely and me I want to still
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interview you Lisa I I I love you still I do I do um I have what she is she's an
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icon man you know she is what she is icon it was by the way it was kind of
55:12
cool seeing her act as well because I haven't seen her really in such a long time you know I mean really just met her
55:19
once and never really saw her much after that so that was pretty cool too that was
55:25
pretty Co now we you know back in the days when she did Law and Order and when she had a show we always like we knew
55:32
she could do this we like we knew she could do this you know what I mean know you know I
55:39
probably saw her and didn't even really realize it perhaps I'm not yeah yeah yeah I'm a long I'm a Law and Order
55:46
addict particularly because of my no no I can't say only because of IC T but you
55:51
know pretty much the whole every rolling cast has always been sure yeah yeah yeah
55:57
yeah no and I love the episode that she did yeah yeah I ice you know ice is
56:02
legendary you we we did shows with ice back in the days man
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