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P. Miller Sued By Pepe Jeans; Counter-Sues 
Published Friday, October 03, 2008 10:30 AM
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By Ismael AbduSalaam

P. Miller and his newly launched P. Miller Designs have become the targets of a lawsuit from Pepe Jeans, who alleges the mogul is committing trademark infringement.

 

Pepe’s lawsuit centers on Miller’s logo which encompasses the letter “P” encircled with wings.

 

According to P. Miller, formerly Master P, the US Patent and Trademark Office has his first use date recorded in public record as April 1, 2003, while Pepe’s registered mark falls on June 1, 2003.

 

“I went to the website of PepeJeans.com and couldn’t find a circled-P anywhere, on their clothing, or the brand advertising within the site,” Miller explained to AllHipHop.com. “I’m the future of affordable fashion and big brands will always hate me, but they shouldn’t throw stones if they live in a glass house!”

 

Since he’s revamped his image from gangsta rapper to community-conscious businessman, Miller further argues he’s become the target for frivolous lawsuits.

 

“I make clothes for underprivileged and underserved families. P. Miller designs is about diversity. We cater to the African-American and Latino customer,” Miller elaborated. “I’m doing something positive for the community and I’m giving back. What are they (Pepe) doing? Hating? I thought this kind of thing only happened in the rap game. I put out a charitable rap album last year, made no money on it, tried to send a message to the kids about taking profanity out of their music, and because it came through Wal-Mart I was targeted with a lawsuit.”

 

Despite the lawsuit coming just as Miller has finalized a partnership with Wal-Mart to carry his brand, he plans to not only fight the allegations but will also counter-sue on the ground of malicious interference with his company.

 

“I’m the brand of the community. I sell jeans for $20 and t-shirts for $10. People don’t buy my clothes for the logo. They buy them because it’s high-fashion at an affordable price,” Miller reasoned. “I guess they didn’t do their homework. I am also filing a countersuit against Nitin, Arun, Milan Shah and Pepe Jeans London, LLC for tortious interference with my business and future business with Wal-Mart. And since they saw fit to go after my retailer, I will return the favor and file suit against several of their retailers like Macy’s, Dr. Jay’s, Nordstrom, and Eastbay.”

 

At press time, Pepe Jeans has not released any public comments on their pending lawsuit.


Comments

 

Brassbeats said:

Pmiller what happened to MASTA P???



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October 3, 2008 10:35 AM
 

P. Miller Sued By Pepe Jeans; Chastises Lawsuit - RRT - Real Rap Talk said:

October 3, 2008 10:36 AM
 

NightFall914 said:

This will go no where.....next
October 3, 2008 10:37 AM
 

Deeper Than Rap said:

October 3, 2008 10:40 AM
 

Savy_Da_Boss said:

WOW!

I respect dude hustle & accomplishments & for turning his situation positive and doing big shit with Walmart now but I aint gon lie a lot of shit P has done has been a blatant copy or imitation of something somebody else made hot

I remember Nelly and them was screamin WE ALL WE GOT next thing you know P and his people had tshirts sayin WE ALL WE GOT

When JD came wit Lil Bow Wow, soon after who come out the wood works? LIL Romeo

A lot of songs & other shit


All this started happening once the No Limit brand started losing value



October 3, 2008 10:43 AM
 

igoharderthanmost said:

Do your thing, P!!! You will prevail.
October 3, 2008 10:44 AM
 

Jay*Chris said:

Thats the business! P knows his business game for real. I would do the same shit Counter sue and make mo money! And who the hell be rockin Pepe Jeans....? 97'ish...

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October 3, 2008 10:46 AM
 

LegendarynightS said:

Damn P go hard...he aint playin with these chumps trying to come at on some bogus lawsuit... its sound like P will win this one hands down..make em say Uuuuhhhhh

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October 3, 2008 10:51 AM
 

Eight Mile Road Music News » P. Miller Sued By Pepe Jeans; Chastises Lawsuit said:

October 3, 2008 10:51 AM
 

Young Caine said:

Get em P...
October 3, 2008 10:57 AM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

@ Jay*Chris, Im still rockin PePe Jeans, their ladies line is fiya!!!
This is outta there tho....I don't think it's that serious, I've seen a lotta shit with a 'P' logo, besides Ps clothing line has been out for a min so why did they choose to sue him now?!?
October 3, 2008 10:57 AM
 

dc_teflondon said:

he should counter sue, if his trademark is first
October 3, 2008 11:00 AM
 

doobie-ashtray said:

pepe must not like that p is in their 'ugly clothes' lane....
October 3, 2008 11:03 AM
 

HaitianSavvy said:

I haven't heard facts from both sides so I will wait and see how it plays out in court. However, the court of public opinion favors P. Miller because of his good intentions.
October 3, 2008 11:14 AM
 

A-Town Vet said:

Savy_Da_Boss said:WOW!

I remember Nelly and them was screamin WE ALL WE GOT next thing you know P and his people had tshirts sayin WE ALL WE GOT

When JD came wit Lil Bow Wow, soon after who come out the wood works? LIL Romeo

A lot of songs & other shit


All this started happening once the No Limit brand started losing value

I FEEL YOU 100, LETS NOT FORGET WHEN HE CAME OUT WITH THE SONG HOODY HOO IN 98, WHEN OUTKAST CAME OUT WITH A SONG CALLED HOOTIE HOO BACK IN 94, I GUESS P THOUGHT IF HE CHANGED THE NAME THAT NO ONE WOULD NOTICE
October 3, 2008 11:16 AM
 

hater hurter said:

hes gettin in their face with this and that a good thing cuz pepe aint never had no logo like his. if they did at one time they dont use it now.
October 3, 2008 11:31 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

WHAT WAS THE LAWSUIT WITH THE ALBUM ALL ABOUT??? I NEVER HERD THAT, SUM1 LET ME KNOW.

ANYWAY

GO P... MAKE THEM SAY UUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
October 3, 2008 11:32 AM
 

n.e.n.o.s. said:

@savy da boss

or when he came out with where DA hot boys at,on the last don cd. if u weren't familiar with cah money records you would of thought no limit thought of that.
October 3, 2008 11:32 AM
 

Ghanghis Khan said:

I don't care what nobody says.  Ice Cream Man album what fire.

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October 3, 2008 11:38 AM
 

Professor X said:

Pepe must be a sponsor of BET....
October 3, 2008 11:41 AM
 

Ghanghis Khan said:

I don't care what nobody says.  Ice Cream Man album was fire.

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October 3, 2008 11:51 AM
 

shortnsimple said:

cmon now P you just cuz you out the rap game don't mean they gonna stop treatin u like a nigga. Hope P win's it.
October 3, 2008 11:55 AM
 

doobie-ashtray said:

P'S PRODUCTION WAS GHETTO DOPE ON HIS GHETTO DOPE CD... I NEED THOSE INSTRUMENTALS ...   WHEN RAPPERS LIKE FABOLOUS ARE PICKING THEIR BEATS, THEY SHOULD TOUCH ON THAT
October 3, 2008 12:00 PM
 

Grumpy said:

I applaud his efforts for affordable fly gear. Starbury too.

It ain't their fault we so damn materialistic and know how much shit costs but don't know VALUE.
October 3, 2008 12:14 PM
 

Bill_Blass74! said:

Uggggggghh, NA-NA NA-NA!

Peace
October 3, 2008 12:20 PM
 

Eight Mile Road Music News » P. Miller Sued By Pepe Jeans; Counter-Sues said:

October 3, 2008 12:33 PM
 

Pepe Jeans Files Lawsuit Against Master P · SickHop - The Sickest HipHop Site in The World! said:

October 3, 2008 12:35 PM
 

Boss Up said:

P.Miller is known for copying trends...he did this crucial when Lil Jon was hot
October 3, 2008 12:37 PM
 

Panama Jack said:

@ n.e.n.o.s.

I remember that hot boys song by P. I thought that was a blatant stealing of ideas from Cash Money.
October 3, 2008 12:38 PM
 

Deeper Than Rap said:

October 3, 2008 12:40 PM
 

youngregin07 said:

UGGGGHHHHHH

Na-Na-Na-Naaaaaah!!!!!!
October 3, 2008 12:44 PM
 

youngregin07 said:

That nigga do be thieving tho...I remember on them No Limit CD's them niggas used to bite left and right...
October 3, 2008 12:46 PM
 

DruMANATI said:

P. miller designs  will be the next fubu, south pole, or any other brand that was whack from the start.
October 3, 2008 12:48 PM
 

acemoney009 said:

lol. everybody knows P is a habitual biter. not saying he purposely bit Pepe, but lets be honest. like some earlier comments have said, P has always took what was hot and flat out copied it. but at the same time i respect dude as a businessman and pioneer of southern hiphop. but thats when u start fallin off and becoming corny in the eye of the consumer; when it's obvious all of your "ideas" are someone elses.
October 3, 2008 12:48 PM
 

Zach_Morris said:

LOL, pepe dont want any confusion wit p miller jeans. pepe tryin to help out the people that buy there clothes to no have to go through the convo of "man i know them aint no p. miller jeans and have to reply wit HELL NAH THESE AINT NO P MILLER but sayin they pepe aint no better though.
October 3, 2008 12:48 PM
 

acemoney009 said:

...and when did P Miller become high fashion?
October 3, 2008 12:48 PM
 

The Foosa said:

Man, this dude been stealing people's ideas since the early 90s when he used to give away his cd's in the Bay Area. The reason why he and Yukmouth have had issues since then, is because he stole the moniker "The Ice Cream Man" from Dru Down and the Luniz...and let's not forget, that he also copied Tupac's musical style.


October 3, 2008 12:53 PM
 

MissDallasTx214 said:

lmao @ acemoney009 that's what I wanted to know?!?
October 3, 2008 12:54 PM
 

MARTDOGG17351 said:

DAmnnn...  I have to give it up to P!  This is THE ONLY muthafucka in tha rap game that's trying to set a positive example for the people.  All that he's doing right now is showing our up-and-comers that it is possible to do big business beyond the rap game.  Other fame-niggas TALK like they're trying to set an example, but turn around and preach this dumb-nigga-slang-rocks-talk and in all reality, they really don't do shit for anyone but themselves and help destroy the quality of life in the hood.  This nigga is the example of what a real man is.  Nigga came up slangin' dope out the projects, doin' the dirty, then had the SENSE to see that the image he was projecting to the masses wasn't empowering his people AT ALLL!!!  Only destroying them.  That's what people of intelligence seek to achieve - constant change and self-improvement.  This nigga will be satisfied with his life at the end of the day knowing that he made a difference and an impact on the legacy of the black peoples.  The man's life is starting to come full circle.  Redemption is the greatest feeling one can have.  The power to fix a problem that you were once a factor in.  If you look at other niggaz in the rap game, you can obviously tell that they will never mature past or see anything greater than the nigga they once was - standing on the corner hustling and slanging rock!  These niggaz never wanna mature past 20 years old.  Ever.  So they spend the rest of their lives glorifying and perpetuating this image of the person they once was.  AND WE ALL KNOW 90% OF THESE NIGGAZ IS LYIN'!!!!!!!  Hope yall can see through your cloudy-ass diamonds one day and realize that this is what a real, grown man carry himself like!  Big ups to P and best wishes to him and ALL of his endeavors!!!  Make 'em say uhhhhhhhhh!!!
October 3, 2008 1:00 PM
 

MARTDOGG17351 said:

Grumpy said it best:  "We know how much shit cost but don't know VALUE!"
October 3, 2008 1:03 PM
 

shortnsimple said:

I surprised he did change his name to percy versace.
October 3, 2008 1:07 PM
 

NightFall914 said:

Some call it biting but in business perhaps its really just adaptability?
October 3, 2008 1:34 PM
 

raynestizzy said:

Pepe jeans.. lol... they prolly just need the $$$

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October 3, 2008 2:48 PM
 

mixonc said:

Time to let off a few shots into the air. Peedi's back Corporate Thuggin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 3, 2008 3:04 PM
 

QBoogieSSP said:

Damn, Master P, Pepe Jeans ???? Visit http://www.myspace.com/sspsoundz
October 3, 2008 3:34 PM
 

KMGMusic said:

  n.e.n.o.s. said:
@savy da boss

or when he came out with where DA hot boys at,on the last don cd. if u weren't familiar with cah money records you would of thought no limit thought of that.



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October 3, 2008 3:50 PM
 

GoDzSoN said:

it wouldnt surprise me if he stole their idea. He stole everybody else's :\
October 3, 2008 4:20 PM
 

P. Miller Sued By Pepe Jeans; Counter-Sues - Rapmusic.com said:

October 3, 2008 5:19 PM
 

one-time said:

leave P alone.....uuugh
October 3, 2008 8:20 PM
 

STr8cadillac said:

ima big fan of nolimt and i think he copies  too but when he do he takes it to anudda level and makes millions off of what the foo's couldnt do.i want to all the people that he bite off of how much money do they got? just i like i figured that they cant touch his and they thats fault they didnt make it popular like he did.
October 3, 2008 8:29 PM
 

biggkev5oh4 said:

3rd ward yo!god bless you p.do your thing!
October 3, 2008 11:41 PM
 

GawgaBwoy770 said:

The only reason P catch so much flack for biting is because he's not creative with it..Jay-Z been doing the same thing for the same time period and he's gotten away with it..Let's be honest Jay bit Big, Jaz-O, Big L and countless others style the same way P did with Pac and the Bay area catz..The only difference is Jay is clever enough to flip it and make it sound or look good..
October 4, 2008 12:09 AM
 

MC_such_and_such said:

Always ride for P...mad respect for his hustle.  That Ghetto D still bumps out of my cadillac...
October 4, 2008 1:50 AM
 

MOB4L said:

Appreciate what he does for the community....you can't please everyone though...that's just life...get in where you fit in and stop whinin...
October 4, 2008 11:50 AM
 

CHC said:

THERES NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN, EVERYTHING IS BITTEN, EVERYTHING!  P IS THE SHYTT, A HUSTLIN AZZ NUGGA.  HE NOT JUST RICH, HE WEALTHY.  PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE NO LIMIT IS A BRAND, NOT JUST A RECORD LABEL. P HAS NEVER FALLEN OFF AND NEVER WILL, HE IS TOO GOOD AT REINVENTING HIMSELF. HE TOOK TRENDS AND WHAT'S HOT AND STEPPED IT UP A NOTCH.  BIG UPS MY NUGGA!!

YALL BLOGGIN AZZ HATER'S NEED TO CHILL.  YOU BACKPACKERS WOULD HATE ON JESUS...GET A LIFE!
October 4, 2008 2:48 PM
 

MR.100STACKZ said:

I RESPECT MASTER P EVEN THOUGH I WUDNT WEAR HIS CLOTHES BUT IRESPECT DAT HIS CLOTHES R CHEAP 4 UNDERPRIVILEDGED PEOPLE BUT PEPE IZ HATIN ND DEY MAD CUZ NOBODI EVEN WEARS PEPE IF SUMBODI WEAR PEP YO UZ A STR8 LAMEEEEE

DO Y ATHING MASTER P MAK EM UGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!UGHHH!!!!!!
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October 4, 2008 10:47 PM
 

MR.100STACKZ said:

I RESPECT MASTER P EVEN THOUGH I WUDNT WEAR HIS CLOTHES BUT IRESPECT DAT HIS CLOTHES R CHEAP 4 UNDERPRIVILEDGED PEOPLE BUT PEPE IZ HATIN ND DEY MAD CUZ NOBODI EVEN WEARS PEPE IF SUMBODI WEAR PEP YO UZ A STR8 LAMEEEEE

DO Y ATHING MASTER P MAK EM UGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!UGHHH!!!!!!
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October 4, 2008 10:47 PM
 

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October 5, 2008 1:01 AM
 

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October 5, 2008 1:02 AM
 

ahanti 7 said:

I co-sign everything you said MARTDOGG17351. That brother P has always thought about his people first. He is a true inspiration for his people.

Lots of people talking about he bit this and he bit that, who cares??? the man is making clothes for those underpriveliged people, who, in all reality , cant afford to buy $ 40-$300 jeans and shirts like  some of you materialistic ballers. And if you haven't read the article , it staes that , and I quote "
the US Patent and Trademark Office has his first use date recorded in public record as April 1, 2003, while Pepe’s registered mark falls on June 1, 2003." AS you can see P Miller was the first to patent his logo. I want P Miller to sue these grreedy corporate bastards, so that other small companies can follow his lead and sue these big corporations bullying small business....UHURU

October 5, 2008 7:25 AM
 

lost soul72 said:

P miller master p is a bootlegger swagger jacker of sorts. tru indeed not saying others haven't piggy backed off of others ideas but he has done the same thing to an extent what corporations do .he rode off of tupacs death b-cuz he he knew how the streets felt about pac . he is a business man so thats what it all about just ask or read some of the interview with beats by the pound its about thee business of hip hop not the culture he had some horrorcore shit in the early 90's b4 No limit blew up why b-cuz thats what sold and b-cuz he is gimmick based it makes it hard to actually see when he is doin good things (romeo the show ) or even his new clothing line, No limit wrestling , I wonder how much he paid to get on the 4,3,2,1 remix or even why but at the end of the day "Master P" is a "good" business man he just needs to be more creative on the music front and not a "southern boootleg" of whats hot with a southern twist and not over pluggin his clothin line in his films . Positive black television but minstrel show type hood movies speend the money P hire a creative team and let them do what they do stop cuttin corners to make profits and call ur self an entertainer quit hatin on the fact you are hated cause some of ur shit is suspect . its funny gangsta thug types don't like to be hated on but will hate on those that don't follow they code cuz they makin money . keep it real instead of keepin it selfish
October 5, 2008 8:02 PM
 

piffy said:

stop the hate keep it real...
October 5, 2008 10:53 PM
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