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Christian Rapper Bizzle Releases Response Track To Macklemore's "Same Love"


(AllHipHop News) Seattle-based duo Macklemore & Ryan Lewis’ single “Same Love” has gotten a lot of praise from the LGBT community and proponents of same-sex marriage.

The track from the group’s The Heist album was also performed during the televised nuptials of 33 straight and gay couples at this year’s Grammy Awards which garnered a lot of attention in the press. Not everyone is celebrating the gay rights tribute song though.

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Faith-based rapper Bizzle recently released a response to “Same Love.” The God Over Money emcee uses his version to address what he sees as Christians being viewed as intolerant for not accepting homosexuality, the unequal comparisons between the pursuit for gay rights and the pursuit for African-American civil rights, and rappers perpetuating the gay agenda. He also calls for Christians struggling with homosexual desires to “fight the good fight.”

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Listen to Bizzle’s “Same Love (A Response)” below.

  • Reblogged this on Intellectual Mindframe and commented:
    i would be lying if i said i did not see this coming.

  • preachy but dope

  • Truknown

    That song is hard

    • JOMO

      I agree!

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  • drac215

    God bless you man!!! Youll never hear this response on the radio because its what hiphop is all about(knowledge). To the weak minded a response is an attack or racist or even hateful, but we all know most people dont agree with the gay agenda. Radio,tv,internet etc all or mostly have gay owners or executive positions so their making their move right now. God made man and woman to multiply(reproduce) and love the mate he has given us. We all know man/man,woman/woman cannot reproduce so its a wrong mix. We all have choices, a thief knows what hes doing is wrong yet he can change with Gods help. A gay person has a choice to be who they are their not born that way. Not saying being gay makes you a bad person, youre just making a bad choice(sinful). Jesus made it so that we all are forgiven for all our sins if we accept him, he doesnt have to accept the way we want things to be!!! Realize if mom and dad didnt get together(no matter the circumstances) none of us would be typing on this board, thank you Lord!!! Peace

    • Papi Peligro

      That’s not what science says. Get out the bible. The bible. The bible also says you can fit all the animals on earth in a half of a cruise ship. To HEAVEN ALSO KNOWN AS SPACE IS WHERE GOD IS. Funny thing we went up there and ain’t no God. So get out of here with BIBLE. Science says and you can prove it through genetics that some people carry additional things that make them homosexual.

      ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE THOUGH. NOBODY IN HIPHOP CARES. NOBODY. WE KNEW QUEEN LATIFAH AND MC LYTE WAS GAY. Nobody cares about being gay. Same Love doesn’t even point out an instance where somebody is gay. It talks about YOUTUBE COMMENTS. Them same Youtube comments have racism in it. Should I make a Same love about Racism. GET OUT OF HERE. THIS IS A NON ISSUE. Big Freedia gay and don’t nobody care.

      • Super-Khalifah

        “To HEAVEN ALSO KNOWN AS SPACE IS WHERE GOD IS.”
        Really?!?!? LOL I’m not a Christian but I can still see you have a very distorted understanding of the Bible and scripture in general. I never knew that heaven was suppose to be in space lol.

        “Science says and you can prove it through genetics that some people carry additional things that make them homosexual.”
        Oh really? Such as? lol and what exactly does that prove? The same can be said about rapist, drug addicts and alcoholics lol SMH
        You’re right though…nobody really cares what other people do in their bedroom behind closed doors….until you constantly talk about it and push it in people’s face or say that if you dont support their agenda that you are hateful.

      • Slick Blak

        Same thing I’m saying “BATTY RAP” pushed by BATTYMORE is a prime example of people SHOVING down our throats and worst our kids. I had to explain to my son why he had to see two man kissing I was so furious after I explained I could absolutely explode! I said never judge or grudge or be mean to gays but it is not RIGHT. As human we are where we are with hunger, crime, violence and nuclear proliferation because mankind simply DOES WHAT IT WANTS and don’t care about repercussions. I also don’t like PDA between heterosexuals either so gays just need to act appropriate in public like you have to at you job and when home live your life. Put on a dress if you want it’s your home.

      • Papi Peligro

        Man thats anybody. If you see 2 homeless people making out of the opposite sex you will get ill. Its the fact you ain’t attracted to that. Don’t want to see it. I don’t like see 2 gay people making out or 2 regular people making out. You still gotta have a talk with your kid cause you don’t want them going to school and finger banging and 3rd basing all the broads in class. Now if I’m watching Lesbian porn I don’t careif they kiss or not but they better get it on.

      • Craig

        if the gay agenda keep it up and if parents keep encouraging that or letting their kids in the world too soon 3rd graders are gonna be sucking dick. I’m not into that lesbian mess either, why should I like them when they dont like us, thats a racket, and u cant be against men an be for lesbians if so thats still gay.

      • Papi Peligro

        Go look up what the definition of the word Heaven is in Hebrew in the bible and Greek. You will quickly find HEAVEN meant the sky. They didn’t have Satelites etc. This is why Revelation 12: Makes full on references to constellation Draco and the Constellation Virgo. It even says DRACO as the name of constellation. Heaven was the sky above and the stars. GOOGLE HOW PREACHERS WERE AGAINST THE SPACE PROGRAM. The same mentality that had preachers knocking NASA is the same thing on gays. Cause you don’t want to have proven that your relgious beliefs are wrong.

        Google

        Biology and sexual orientation

        “until you constantly talk about it and push it in people’s face or say that if you dont support their agenda that you are hateful.”

        Macklemore song is trash. I think its trying to take advantage of the movement. Sort of like Charleston Heston on our side during Civil Rights. Who was stock piling guns for a race war but really who was the bullets for. But wanting to get legal acknowledgement of their marriages is definitely something they should push and promote as their right as citizens until they get that right. This though has nothing to do with Hiphop. Nobody rapping is talking about this discourse and you are entitled to your oppinion so long as it doesn’t affect others.

      • Super-Khalifah

        I see your point but I dont get my understanding of heaven from the Greeks, and today’s modern hebrew is not ancient Hebrew and are not from ancient hebrews. Modern hebrew is not the authority on the etymology and understanding of heaven. Heaven was considered a state of mind where sin is absent and the “divine mind” reigns supreme over actions, thoughts and deeds. Your understanding of heaven as well as your sources are hellenistic in nature and are not valid for a proper understanding of heaven.
        Macklemore’s song IS trash…I cant argue with you there. I agree with your statements on that.

      • BIG MIKE SOMETHING SERIOUS

        Never heard MC Lyte was gay….

      • Craig

        its not about being gay, no one cares, its about the gay agenda and kids, and money and power, an claiming something is natural when it isnt in order to get more mentally ill kids for the agenda. Grown ups can do what they like if a man bangs a dude I dont necessarily that makes him gay cause its a choice the same with killing people, killing someone doesn’t automatically make u a murderer either, my point is gay is just a word that was made to mean something else and is being profited off of, homosexuality is a act and a lifestyle the same with killing, weird example but it makes sense, alot of killers or murderers walk amongst us but lots call them heros, u see its all in the “words” an perception or their personal CHOICES!

        Homosexual(a lifestyle of sex and love with same gender) vs gay(a description of the same gender liking each other for sexual pleasure, a sexual act between same gender, or meaning is carefree/happy), killer(not necessarily bad depending on who was killed and who killed) vs murderer(deemed terrible from the beginning from outside sources committed a unjust crime) both comitted the same act but are totally different = I dont believe being a killer necessarily makes u a murderer and I dont believe same gender banging each other makes one or the other gay or homosexual cause gay is just a description(until somebody capitalized on the word an started to monetize it) and being a homosexual is a lifestyle one chooses to live. AND I BELIEVE IT TO BE A MENTAL ILLNESS which a confused person uses to describe their feelings and just because u feel a certain way it doesnt mean those feeling should be acted on or adopted fully until u find out more about them, but no the homo people with the gay agenda automatically pushes kids and others telling them its okay to be gay, its okay to be gay but I dont want yall confusing KIDS OR BLACK PEOPLE!! Yall aint no doctors and if u are u got your own secret agenda as well.(Its only a mental illness when someone thinks they are born that way or born in the wrong body) other than that kids are confused and grown ups can do what they want, kids become gay because people tell them its okay, When I was a kid I wasn’t thinking about no damn sex in elementary school, so grownups have to be around kids talking about that mess influencing them and now more than ever hence all these people becoming gay like never before.

      • Papi Peligro

        I agree that people are profiting off it like Macklemore. That’s what I’m saying nobody cares.

        Homosexuality being the same as a murderer is not right. Contrary to nature is not right. Animals kill other animals that rivals all the time in nature does that make it right. Your sense of nature takes away the communal evolution of our society. Yes we exist to procreate. But we have evolved beyond simple procreation. In order to procreate and pass on to the next generation we need all manner of perspective and the ability to expand our thoughts. Imagine life without the contributions of Liberace etc.

        As it relates to children. IF YOUR KID SEES someone else is gay and GOES experimenting I don’t know what to say to that. You might need this sit down. But he’s gay. Homosexual is the same thing as gay. The problems come in when you have to lie about it and hide it. So you Down Low on your Wife see Michele Bachman. So just let people be people. Hiphop doesn’t care. America is the land of the free not the Land of the Christian. Let people be.

      • Katya

        Lolwut? 😛

        “The bible also says you can fit all the animals on earth in a half of a cruise ship.”

        — Nah uh. Nope. Didn’t say that.

        “To HEAVEN ALSO KNOWN AS SPACE IS WHERE GOD IS. Funny thing we went up there and ain’t no God. So get out of here with BIBLE.”

        – ….we’ve never been to Heaven. It’s not someplace you can travel to. You’re thinking of ‘heaven’ – capital and lowercase letters mean big things in the Bible. heaven = space. Heaven =/= space. And the Bible’s God is in Heaven, not heaven.

        “Science says and you can prove it through genetics that some people carry additional things that make them homosexual.”
        – Really? You’d have to provide some peer-reviewed, scholarly/academic articles for that one.

    • TheOnlyCoop

      Have a choice? You actually think someone makes a choice to have to tell their parents and friends their gay? As a straight male I can’t imagine it, can you? There are many ways to dress up an attack. Calling it a response is the same tactic as the right-wings “stop playing the race card” tactic. Heck there are even other species that have same sex relationships it’s not just a human choice thing.

      • sophia

        Homosexuality is ‘not normal’. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single, relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        Does nature or science say that everyone should be blonde, black, brown, or have blue eyes? No it does not, so why can’t it for some (not all) be a simple gene variation.

    • Realist4200

      Straight people will always continue to breed. Homosexuals can’t. What’s the problem? We have 8 billion people on this planet, and a huge majority of them are straight. The population will continue to climb untill we overload Earth’s natural balance and run out of resources, or choke on the polluted air. The way I see it, Homo folks (aka non-breeding population) are great for humanity. It’s not making our situation on Earth any worse – if anything it helps – So what’s wrong with that? Live your life and let them live theirs.

      You’re living on outdated ideals. When the majority of the world lived in isolated villages breeding was essential and homosexuality would have been detrimental – strength in numbers. Life expectancy was low, so a constant need for another generation was dire if the village wanted to thrive. But now in modern times we have those numbers and we have more strength than most of us comprehend (governments, armies, nuclear power) – plus we live 3 times longer – if some people don’t reproduce, it doesn’t hurt anything at all, what so ever.

      • sophia

        such a weak excuse …. you are basically saying gays are a form of population control and a defect in evolution….. nice lol

      • Realist4200

        Actually it would be an evolutionary achievement. Breeding has become a choice – which can and should be intelligently planned and prepared for – instead of a necessity. As a species, we’re not so hardwired to reproduce anymore.

      • sophia

        LOL China will soon lift its one child ban….

        Wang Yuqing, a deputy director of the National Committee of Population, Resources and Environment emphasises that “the high cost of raising a child will keep the population growth at a stable level.”

        China is the world’s largest population at 1.3 billion people and is facing a number of social issues related to the one-child policy, including a rapidly aging population and an alarming decrease in the number of women in the country due to female infanticide, sex-selective abortion, and son preference.

        Get educated man.

      • Realist4200

        I never said anything at all about implementing China’s strategies. I simply said the minor decrease in reproduction due to same sex couples doesn’t hurt – if anything, it helps. And that due to our high and successful population, it’s not a necessity for every eligible person to breed if they choose not to. Are you off your medications? A little manic, are you? LOL.

      • Craig

        its not about people actually living that life style or equality, cause as human beings they already have equality. The gay agenda is all about money and power, my problem is them pushing on black people an kids and what no one wants to mention is they are profiting from a mental illness.

    • fl7tacious

      Totally agree!! Bizzle is on point with this one!!!! Man, I love his boldness to speak the truth!!! I also agree with your comment as well!!! God bless you as well!!

    • zappythezapper

      The Bible isn’t knowledge just because you were raised to think it was… pause and think for yourself for a change.

      • sophia

        where do you get your knowledge from … hip hop and rap…?!?!

  • TheOnlyCoop

    This song is the same old excuse just dressed up. Once heard a comedian say you don’t have tell your parents you’re black, but you do have to tell them you’re gay. That’s a heavy burden. Also to Bizzle do some research on the gays that have been beat to death and dragged behind trucks moving at high speeds just like black people.

    • Super-Khalifah

      “…do some research on the gays that have been beat to death and dragged behind trucks moving at high speeds just like black people.”
      It has happened before but it DEFINATELY hasnt happened enough to equate it to slavery and the struggle of Black people after slavery ended. There is NO comparison at all! Gay people have not been put through the hell that slaves were put through…PERIOD. It actually very disrespectful to even compare the “struggle for gay rights” to the struggle of slaves in America and so-called free slaves in the reconstruction era up to the civil rights era. And that is regardless to if you support “gay rights” or gay marriage.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        Your making the point that enough lives have not been lost to compare the two? Now that is disrespectful. The same way the civil rights is looked at differently in hindsight this too will be view in the same sight. It’s amazing how time can give people 20/20 vision. Like I said above “Once heard a comedian say you don’t have tell your parents you’re black, but you do have to tell them you’re gay. That’s a heavy burden.”

      • Super-Khalifah

        No disrespect…it’s just the truth! Gays have not suffered in their struggle for “gay rights” the way that African slaves and so-called African Americans have suffered for ours. That’s a fact! I’m not trying to be disrespectful but you cant compare getting punched in the face to being gang-raped. They are both bad experiences but one is FAR more traumatic with deeper physical and psychological effects.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        That’s from a view point. And I’m stating a FACT that view point is obstructed. No one is comparing it to slavery. Bring that up when it hasn’t is just a smoke screen. People are comparing civil rights to civil rights, people are comparing being killed to being killed. The comparisons you are making are and extreme detour.

      • Super-Khalifah

        The difference is that Black people SHOULD have equal rights as whites in this country. However, gay people having the right to marry involves changing the definition and understanding of what marriage is and has been. That is a little different! Aside from that, gays have not been enslaved for 400 years for being gay. Gays were never kidnapped from their homeland and brought to a distant land as slave labor because they were gay. Gay people were never said to be 2/3 of a human being by law. Correction of the effects of these actions are struggles that are far more a legitimate “struggle” then just the right to marry. With that said….the struggle for “gay rights” should not and cannot be compaired or made to be equal too Black civil rights! It’s disrespectful and inaccurate.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        The only difference is that is an acceptable OPINION now, but it wasn’t years ago. See how time changes things. There was even a time when interracial dating was illegal, one reason was people thought the babies would come out deformed. See how time changes things? Marriage is nothing more than a man made ceremony, so anything that is made by man will always change with time. I’m sure there have been gay people for millenniums, so I’m sure the distaste for them dates back hundreds of years. But I must point out that again you are detouring the comparisons are about civil rights not slavery. So while talking about slavery may make your point sound good to the choir it is and extremely different topic than civil rights.

      • Craig

        blame the white man your fight aint with black people, If u guys would just admit its a mental illness yall would be much better off, no theres no medicine for it but it starts in the mind, people push confused kids to the gay side, I have no problem with gays until they push it on kids an black people, an since they are doing that we have a problem. Getting married is all about money white people want rights on top of rights, The same black people wanna march for gay rights I bet the white gay people wouldnt march against white supremecy, I’m not fooled into thinking america is a melting pot, nothing melted people were just thrown in the empty pot no heat no water forced integration wasntt natural, desegregation was good but forced integration wreaked havoc and thus we are where we are today, I believe after desegregation integration would have happened naturally all black people wanted was equal rights courtesy, free will, and equality, its a mistake to integrate with the enemy who has more resources an stolen slave wealth when u barely have any, black people had a chance to rise up and really be equal but they integrated an thats why we are where we are today.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        When the laws on interracial marriage changed to some that changed the definition for some. If you dig deeper into every statement you’re making you are making the point for it if you just look at history. I’m pretty sure homosexuality has been distasteful for hundreds of years. And as I’ve said the issue is civil rights not slavery. To bring of slavery is nothing more than a good distraction nothing more. Civil rights are civil rights. To have access to civil rights and then say in and intelligent manor that it isn’t important for others to have the same access is what’s truly disrespectful and inaccurate

      • Katya

        Very true. There’s a big, big difference between wanting the equal ability to do something such as get married and wanting the equal ability to simply live a decent life.

        Homosexuals are asking for the right have their unions called marriage. Black people just wanted the right to live and mind their own business without being hassled, sold, tortured, murdered, raped, having a cross burnt on their lawn or having their children kidnapped. Without having to go through the systematic rounding up of an entire group of people based on what they looked like, and being physically examined and compared to livestock. They just wanted the basic right to sleep and wake up and live without fear or the status of being ‘owned’ by another person as chattel.

        Honestly, it’s disturbing that people don’t see a difference between the two. The intensity and heaviness of THAT struggle makes what’s going on today more than just pale in comparison.

      • Realist4200

        3 people died in terror attacks yesterday

        2000 people died on 9/11

        I think 9/11 (racism towards Blacks) is a little more serious than the few issues yedterday (hatred towards Homosexuals.) – It’s not direspectful.

      • Sparky Flinstone

        i agree with super khalifah!

  • Super-Khalifah

    I actually like this track!

  • Papi Peligro

    I mean that scripture he quotes the beginning is a joke right. I mean the CHURCH HAS BEEN ALL THOSE THINGS AND STILL IS SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME. Come on you can be straight and be pedophile. I can”t believe I defend this dumb Macklemore song.

    IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING YOU WOULD KNOW OPENLY GAY PEOPLE HAD A HUGE HAND IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. So I give them a pass on comparing it to black civil rights. Civil rights is just that civil rights the rights to have the ability do in the legal system what you want. Civil rights never stopped lynching, racism, or anything else. It just protected you legally from discrimination. So yes not BEING ABLE TO marry is the same as BLACK PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR LEGAL RIGHTS IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. Same thing. You still can’t get a job black unemployment is still high but legally nobody can discriminate you can now marry who you want legally except same sex in certain states.

    THE PROBLEM NOBODY IN HIPHOP EVER SAID GAYS COULDN’T MARRY. We might call someone derogatory terms but we always use derogatory terms to everybody. Dont mean we hate gay people. Nobody cares. We got money to get haters to address. The gay thing ain’t the problem. MACKLEMORE MAKING UP A CAUSE OF GAY WHATEVER IN HIPHOP IS A PROBLEM. Camron rocked pinked lambos and pink furs. Kanye West was bringing up this topic in 2000. Nobody cared cause we have never been on gay people. Ain’t no burn the Chi Chi man song in Hiphop.

    BIBLE. LETS TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE. How GOD kill a bunch of Caananites to usher in some Utopia but it never existed. Go look from the time they left Egypt the Israelites were never morally superior to go kill up anybody. THE SAME AS YOU ARE NO MORE MORALLY SUPERIOR to look down on gays cause you read from a bible. God called himself by the Caananites God’s name. Stole verses from the Caananites such as the Ugarits. Decorate his temple in bulls like the Caananite god. Worship in the same form of incense, burning, temple built after Egyptian, no archaeological evidence of the first temple sorry, etc. Wars being fought on their land no reference to any Israelites. Openly liar accounts about lineages that don’t line up with other parts of the bible first of all and second of all lead to proving the bible is a flat out lie. Case in point Noah’s flood. We can tell when it happened from the lineage of Adam to the destruction of the first temple. Oh yes my friend lets do it. While the flood was supposed to happen. THE LINEAGE OF PHAROAHS KINGS AND THE HISTORY OF PHAROAHS KINGS HAS NO GAP. There is a dynastic change but that dynastic change is well recorded in history. To Jesus CHRIST LINEAGE doesn’t line up with Chronicles, Luke, Matthew. Matthew and Luke were competing accounts cause Luke said other people have tried to compile works but mine is more factual. GET OUT OF HERE WITH USING THE BIBLE AS SOME FORM OF MORAL COVER TO TELL OTHER PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIVES AND CASTING DOWN EVIL UPON THEM. BORN GAY VS THE BIBLE. I’m going to stick with facts that I can prove and people that I can see. MACKLEMORE IS GARBAGE BUT NO NEED TO JUSTIFY.

    PEDOPHILE COMES FROM PEDIORIST IN WHICH THEY SOLD CHILDREN OUTSIDE THE TEMPLE. GOD’S ONLY RULE WAS THEY COULDN’T COME IN THE TEMPLE. NOT THAT THEY COULDN’T BE PEDIORIST. PEDOPHILIA AMONGST CATHOLICS, MORMONS, MUSLIMS, ETC ETC HAS BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED FOR CENTURIES. You can’t fight ignorance of Macklemore with Bible thumper ignorance.

    • Super-Khalifah

      WRONG!!! The civil rights movement absolutely DOES NOT protect Black people from discimination..are you serious? Yes, I’m sure YOU give them a pass on comparing gay rights and Black civil rights. That doesnt mean that it is warranted or that Black people will be giving it a pass. Civil rights was about integration and Black people having the right to the same things as white folks as citizens. Personally, i wish Black folks would have put more energy into being an independant people that were’nt interested in integrating with their former slave-master’s granchildren. We may be in better shape today if we did. Gay marriage is not about “allowing gays to marry”. It’s about changing the very definition of what marriage is. There is a difference!
      Once again! Your understanding of the Bible, scripture, religion and History is very shallow and immature! I’m a student of religious history so I know a little bit about it. Just like most religious people…you have the wrong understanding of religious scripture and the Bible. All you stated about pedophilia can be attributed to white folks. Pedophilia and homosexuality were never staple parts of aboriginal culture until aborginials were influenced by European ways of thought and their actions. Those damn Ancient Greeks, Romans and othr ancient caucasians are to blame for all that madness in religion. This includes ALL religions because the first Hebrews, Jews and Arabs were not white. AND this is not “bible-thumper ignorance” because like I said, I’m not Christian. I’m just a student of World Religions and History…it’s my Major, so I know a little bit about it. The rest of your post is blah blah blah (no disrespect lol).

      • Papi Peligro

        That was my point. The Civil Rights movement doesn’t protect black people from discrimination. Dude talks about people getting burnt up. Black people still get burnt up. Civil rights is about having freedoms under the legal system.

        Changing the definition of marriage. Who defined it GOD.

        The rest of my post isn’t bla bla bla. Its facts.You can’t debate facts because your cult rebutals for whatever you believe in can’t see fact it has to see things through the window of the cult. If you going to use the bible as a moral and historical tool to ridicule someone then it should be factual and stand up to moral criticism itself. Fact Psalms attributed to David were written by the Ugarits first. EL. ELOHIM ETC is a pagan god name UGARIT names. 70 son of Asherah 1 being Yahweh. THAT’S FACT. Then they created a temple full of calfs and bulls. So was it moral for god to kill the Israelites that left Egypt that made the Golden Calf? Was it moral for him to kill the Canaanites and then never setup this Utopia world he had promised? NO. We won’t even go through Adam and Eve was written by another civilization. Garden of Eden points to Sumeria the place the story was originally written and predates the existence of the bible. Noah was written by another civilization long before Israel was to supposed to have Existed. That’s all fact. You can’t open that book the “BIBLE” tell someone else what to do and what is moral in their life. CAUSE I JUST DISCREDITED IT AS Factual or Moral. This the book you want to tell me defines marriage and it lies about its origins. They killed the Canaanites cause they were morally superior and not 1 time where they ever morally superior. Never. The same way you sitting up here deciding who can do what with their lives cause some how you are morally superior cause the bible says so. AND YOU BEEN BANGING ALL WEEK. The bible itself tells you that. Philistines in the bible never existed but their is a country called the Philistia that existed that fought wars with Egypt RAMSES to be specific over the very land David was to have ruled. ALL OF THAT SAYS IS DON’T PULL OUT NO BIBLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT MORALITY, SCIENCE, OR FACT OR EVEN GOD. Cause he’s not in their.

      • Super-Khalifah

        Are you calling Christianity a cult? lol Religions and most lifestyle and ways of thinking are considered “cultish” in nature. WE are not discrediting anything as factual or moral with internet posts. Our posts are just posts and nothing more. Our posts dont influence lives lol This song is just an expression and our posts are the same. Anyway, I dont know what homeboy’s understanding of the Bible is but the points that you make about it doesnt take away that homosexuality is not supported by anyone but those influenced by Hellenistic thought and culture. Homeboy is a Christian so of course he is gonna use the Bible to defend his point. The fact that whoever is listening may not see the Bible as authority on right and wrong doesnt mean that the Bible is not correct on that particular aspect. The Bible is a combination of History, allegory and prophecy. So if there are parts that are not historically correct then they are either allegorical or prophetic. I’m not saying that the Bible is the authority on “right and wrong” but honestly…what is? The books and historical facts that you’ve mentioned about the Bible are also subjective and you have faith in them as well. YOU never went to the Middle East and dug up the ancient scrolls and translated it into todays’s language so we could study ancient cultures. Other people did that for you and you have faith in what their finds are. In any case…this is a dope song and aint nobody supporting that gay shit but gay people and hellenistic thinkers. lol

      • Papi Peligro

        “I’m not saying that the Bible is the authority on “right and wrong” but honestly…what is?”

        American legal system.

        “Other people did that for you and you have faith in what their finds are.”

        Come on man. You can actually see the manuscripts online if you want. View the way they came up with the translation. Muslim, Judaism, or Christianity those truths discredit your religion. I’m just showing how denying someone a way of life simply on the fact that some book says its wrong is dumb.

        “this is a dope song and aint nobody supporting that gay shit but gay people and hellenistic thinkers.”

        Whatever I just think its uncalled for. This Christian dude took the bait. Nobody outside of the media cares about this Macklemore song. Having any kinds of discussions about and across the board Maclemore included thinks is just not good hiphop more so than the message.

        Hellenistic thinkers? What is that black people Persians now. We Zoroastrians. LOL. I don’t even know what that’s bout. That’s a knock on Academia. If Independent thinkers that study facts science and want to believe in a living god instead of 1 that needs people to exact his punishments then yes. I’m hellenistic

      • Super-Khalifah

        The American Legal sysem is not the authority on right and wrong. It only determines what is exceptable by law…not “right and wrong.”
        I’m not saying I think we should “deny someone a way of life” because of a book. Gay people are gonna be gay regardless so they arent being denied anything except a marriage liscense and that is because of the definition of marriage which doesnt apply to them because they are the same sex. Most people dont support homosexuality but they just except it exists.
        What manuscripts are you talking about? Manuscripts can be false also. Me myself..I cant critically examine anything in it’s primary sources because I only speak English and a little Arabic. Everything written in English is controlled information.
        Studying “facts and science” means you are still having faith in them because very few can verify if it’s true or not. No Black people are not Persians or Zoroastrians. We existed before those terms or titles. Hellenistic meaning that it comes from Ancient Greeks influence. Like a “spirit God”…that comes from Hellenism. Most religionsTODAY believe in the greek Philosophical God (immaterial, omnipotent & omnipresent). As a matter of fact, most religions TODAY get most of what they understand about God and spirituality from Hellenism. A “living god” (as you said) doesnt come from Hellenism (although I dont know your total understanding of God).
        In any case, most “religions” or spiritual cultivation systems dont support homosexuality. Whatever these “religions” or systems believe is put in a “holy book” but it’s a belief FIRST and then put in a book. Nothing wrong with that unless the belief is incorrect. I dont disagree with his view on homosexuality although I dont agree becasue of a book. IF the only reason he doesnt support homosexuality is because “the Bible says so” then yeah…that’s pretty dumb.

      • sophia

        LOL grammys!?!? Macklemore one 4 grammys in rap over other that deserve it and you don’t think that was a coincidence. LOL you are ignorant.

      • sophia

        Oh NICE rebuttal!!! AGREED!!!

      • Papi Peligro

        Don’t forget about your bible. Before Evolution and Eugenics black people were the cursed descendants of Ham. That justified black people to be enslaved. truth is its a lie. And all people on EARTH could not have Descended from those 3 men after 2400 BC. I don’t have the wrong understanding of scripture no more than I have the wrong understanding of Santa Claus vs ST. Nicolas.

      • Super-Khalifah

        The major figures in the Bible were all Black and their oppressor (greek and Rome) were all white. The curse of Ham is not Biblical. It is a later construct from caucasian Jews. Everyone knows (or should know by now) that the timeline inthe Bible is not literal.

      • Papi Peligro

        Dear Lord. You ever seen an Egyptian hieroglyph. Go look at an ancient Egyptian Hieroglyph. They paint the colors right on their. Now when they fight Niger they use a different pain than the 1 they use for themselves. Were they people of Color yes.

        Go look at unearth Jewish mosaics the color is right their. You don’t have to guess or question what they look like.

      • Super-Khalifah

        Sir! i dont know if you know or not but hieroglyphs have been tampered with about as much as scriptures lol. Yes, I know all of the peoples of ancient times were people of color. However, the orginal people of ALL the ancient lands were Black. The lighter colors came later on. I dont know if we are making the same point or not but we seem to be going around in circles here.

      • Papi Peligro

        lol. true.

      • sophia

        AGREED!!! Dude is brainwashed and quoted every media stereotype out there.

    • sophia

      IDIOT!!!!

  • Mel

    Nigga please descrimination is descrimination. Mind yo own business. These Jesus freaks kill me. You can’t trust the bible. Jesus was dead long before it was written yet he is quoted word for word in the bible. How they do that? Plus he embraced those that were different.

    • Pro Artist

      Mel, I will start by saying I respect your right to your own opinion. You are entitled to have one. But there are certain areas that I do disagree with. Firstly, when Jesus was quoted in the Bible it was by the disciples that were with him, like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. And yes Jesus embraced those that were different.He talked and Nicodemus a Pharisee, many people hated him. He let the woman who was a sinner wash his feet and put fragrances on it. At the end of the day Jesus died for our sins. God loved us so much that he sent Jesus to atone for our sins. For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, but repenting and being born again gives us a chance to be in a relationship with God. At the same time Jesus lets us know sin no more lest worse evil befall you. Sin is sin. Homosexuality is sin, just like murder, lust, etc. I respect Bizzle letting people know that wrong is wrong. And if God says its wrong it’s wrong. Even look at Sodom and Gommorah. God destroyed them for their sin, and the surrounding nations as well. Now you mention discrimination, how has Bizzle discriminated against those that are Gay. His viewpoints are from a christian perspective. Even the fact that the rainbow is a sign God made to show that he would never destroy the world with a flood again. Yet that is what gay people use as their symbol. I believe you can trust the Bible, I have seen with my own eyes how God’s blessings can change life, how prayer can truly change outcomes. How disobedience brings correction and problems. And that God is real and I applaud Bizzle and any other Christian Hip Hop artists that stands up for saying what is right. At the end of the day again This is my opinion, God bless you and have a great day.

      • Ace

        Preach

      • Susan

        You’re getting your ethics from the same book that tells women to marry their rapists and you think gay people are the immoral ones. Lolz.

      • Susan

        P.S. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about hospitality, not homosexuality. Not once does the story mention homosexuality. None of the prophets associate Sodom with homosexuality and even Jesus refers to it in the context of hospitality, saying that any city who does not welcome his disciples will be punished worse than Sodom. In the chapter immediately preceding Sodom, we are given a contrast via Abraham’s demonstration of hospitality (he gives water and food to his angelic visitors). For this, Abraham is blessed. For its inhospitality, Sodom is punished. Let me get this straight: two angels go to visit a city, the people of the city gather and demand to rape them (rape, not a consensual sexual act but a demonstration of force over another), the angels send Lot and his family out of a city, Lot’s wife looks back, the city is destroyed, Lot’s wife turns to salt, Lot and his daughters go up to the mountain where they get him drunk, have sex with him, and become pregnant with incest babies. And that story is condemning homosexuality? Please. It’s about hospitality, which at the time the Bible was written was *huge* because these people were traveling place to place and having to rely on the good will of strangers. Going to the wrong place could mean death, as violence was a part of every day existence. Context is key. So is reading the dang book. Turns out most of the people who thump the Bible the hardest rarely have time to read it.

      • sophia

        THE MOST IGNORANT STATEMENT I HAVE READ THIS YEAR!! PURE IGNORANCE!!

      • $13347569

        Read your fecking bible you ignorant wank

      • sophia

        Don’t you got dick to suck… oh and dont forget to wipe that shit off your lips faggot.

      • mike

        It is a shame a Christian hip-hop artist did this song (no dos to him, its a good song) but it detracts from the message he is trying to say, which is more important themnif jesus was quoted.

    • sophia

      Ignorance!!! I bet you approve of gays using the black civil right movement to further their cause. The shame!!

    • sophia

      LOL another mama raised effeminate male who loves it from behind.

      • $13347569

        Bet you do to bitch.

      • sophia

        Oh I hit a cord did I. You hate your daddy don’t you because he wasn’t there. Now you looking to replace that lost love by sucking another mans dick…. SICK!!

  • Brooklyn Stoop

    I can’t take dude serious until he start going at the ones that claim to be Christians first. He diss jay z round the same time that Eddie long ish was fresh. Now he getting at them mental cases in the LGBTLMNOP community. Clean up the crap in your own belief system, cause out of all the things that make me smh about Christians the judging part is the biggest. When they pimp preacher is moving fowl they like to scream don’t judge that’s between god and that man. But everybody else is fair game.
    And besides I thought Christianity WAS the religion for homosexuality, since stereotypically they be all in the choirs singing in ish

    • Judah Nazayar

      ahh nikka,,shutup

    • marv1977

      U thought wrong dummy

    • sophia

      LOL Lets analyze the lyrics from your god.

      WIZ KHALIFA LYRICS

      “Tweak Is Heavy”

      A quarter million dollars, if I’m in it, I paid it
      My watch my Rolex, nigga s sayin’ I made it
      Yeah, I smoke good weed, so these fuc k nigga s hate it
      Bought thirty-five bottles, just to get faded
      The tweak is heavy, the tweak is heavy
      Before I leave the crib I grab the keys to my Chevy
      I got some gold around my neck, got some gold in my mouth too
      My wife is mixed, but dam n she’s thick like she’s from the South too
      Pourin’ shots; takin’ em, coning joints; bakin’ em
      Gettin’ dollars; bankin’ em, Ballin’ just like Aikman them
      Fuc k nigga s; ain’t with em, do dirt; hang with em
      Find out they singing just like Frank and them….

      LOL your black gods of rap are VERY uplifting and wise LOL

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        What r u talkin bout

  • Reblogged this on HUEY mix wit RILEY.

  • Black Jay

    Folks…. While I don’t agree with everything that this dude says, he has a point on a few things. That being said, Here are the issues I have a problem with.

    1. GAYS COMPARING THE GAY STRUGGLE TO THE AFRICAN AMERICAN STRUGGLE: I have always had a problem with this. While no one is trying to take away the violence and the mistreatment displayed against Homosexuals, to compare it to being Black is offensive, inaccurate, and downright wrong. First, sexuality is a BEHAVIOR. It isn’t an appearance. You may see quite a few “flaming” dudes that are being outwardly expressive towards that lifestyle, BUT IT’S A CHOICE! HOMOSEXUALITY CAN BE HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW. There are numerous examples of men and women that have chosen to live that life in secret and that fact is hidden from the public for years and years.
    But a Black person can’t wake up and choose to be a White Man any day of the week. It’s not something that can be hidden. So it is offensive in that regard. Also, most Black Families are religious. Most Black People believe homosexuality is wrong and against God. We have always been a spiritual people. Most Black people don’t want the merging of the two movements because it goes against the very core of their family values. That’s not to say that they are completely against equality. They just don’t want that association.

    2. THE BIBLE (I KNOW I’LL CATCH HEAT FOR THIS ONE): This song addresses some things in the bible. But am I to believe everything within the bible? I’ve spoken to my minister about this for years. I cannot bring myself to believe everything within the bible VERBATIM because of MAN. The bible isn’t even complete. There are parts that haven’t even been found. A new version comes out every few years. And I’m supposed to follow that to the letter? We did a class experiment in college. One person stood at the back of the room and whispered a simple sentence. Each person then whispered the same sentence to the next person until it reached the last person in the front of the room. By the time the sentence reached the front of the room it had completely changed and didn’t even resemble what had been initially said. Now if that can happen with one sentence, what do you think has happened to the bible?
    I personally believe that the bible was meant to be a guide. It isn’t supposed to be followed to the letter because some things are glaring contradictions. But there are some things that are universal in ALL RELIGIONS (I recommend THE LIFE OF PI as a good movie about this perspective). To use any book of God as an instrument against another person’s beliefs, in my opinion, is wrong. White Americans used it to murder millions of Blacks. Extremist Muslims are using their books to kill innocents. And yes, The Bible is currently being used as an excuse to kill homosexuals.

    The word of God isn’t a weapon against man. It is a tool FOR ALL MEN. God has a personal relationship with each individual person. You were born alone. You will die alone. And each person has to find their own individual connection. I don’t care how much a person comes on this thread and quotes passages. The bible means different things to different people. And it should.

    • Susan

      Homosexuality is a behavior, not an appearance? Then please tell me why my gay friend who was only wearing a t-shirt and jeans, nothing to indicate his sexual orientation, had a guy in a truck assault him while calling him a “faggot.” How dare you speak to the experience of gays and lesbians when you know nothing of it? You know how the oppressor keeps marginalized groups down? By telling you to participate in the “my oppression is worse than yours” argument. You can’t quantify it. Don’t try to. Most violent acts against black people is committed by other black people. Most violent acts against LGBT people are committed by bigoted straight people. Stop throwing LGBT people under the bus. Idiot.

      • Black Jay

        You know what? You’re right…. I can’t speak from the experience of a Gay person. I’m not a homosexual. But I can speak from the perspective of a heterosexual because I’ve been one my whole life. And as a heterosexual I can’t walk down the street and people automatically assume my sexuality. But that’s the point. How many Gay people are ONLY NOW COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET? If it were a part of their normal appearance, everyone would’ve known.

        But flip the script…..

        My skin is dark. Can I wake up in the morning and put on a cloak of “whiteness”? No. Everyone sees my dark skin. So it’s not the same.

        Sexuality is a behavior. Breathing is a function of life. You can’t survive without it. A heart beat is a function of life. You can’t live without it. But sex is a choice. Sorry to hurt your feelings but it’s a fact. How else do you explain nuns?

        It’s not that we shouldn’t care about the assault of your friend. As a society, we absolutely should. But don’t get your emotions revved up against the wrong issue. I didn’t kick your cousin’s ass. Don’t throw that in my face like I owe you some money. I don’t owe you sh*t.

        Most violent acts against gays are perpetrated by heterosexuals. I don’t dispute that. But if you think because we have similarities that it’s cool to trivialize the struggles of Black people and mix them with yours, you’re wrong. We aren’t the same.

        Most violent acts against people of color, in today’s society, may be perpetrated by other blacks. You have no argument from me on that. But the blood of black people thoroughly coats the hands of The American White people, historically, because we didn’t come from here. We were forced. And some of the policies that White people made (such as forcing blacks to eat the worst parts of animals for survival and ‘If you read a book you die’. And those are only 2) are still affecting Black people today.

        While I feel your anger, think about this….. I didn’t at all attack you in my writings. But you made a direct attack against me based on something I had absolutely nothing to do with. This is the reason there is static. Because issues aside, heterosexuals and homosexuals can’t put aside emotion long enough to listen.
        I wish you the best in your life. Take care.

      • keepitthoro

        Preach brother.

      • Susan

        You might not have kicked my friend’s ass but when you conspire with a homophobic culture to marginalize them as second class citizens, you are by all means justifying the violence that takes place against them.

        If you don’t think sexuality is necessary for some people’s lives then take a vow of celibacy and prove to me that it’s not necessary for you. Nuns are celibate because they’re called to be celibate. Gay people aren’t.

        I never said being black and being gay were the same. Are there intersections? Absolutely. Look at the way Bible verses were used to justify slavery. Same is true for gay people. Same was true when men were fighting women’s suffrage. Don’t deny similarities in the various oppressions that have taken place in our nation’s history.

        You’re never going to get anywhere if you engage in a battle of onesupmanship for “who had it worse.” I agree that lots of physical violence was practiced on black people during their slavery and the periods that followed in America. But violence has always been visited upon gay people and still is today, and if you’re trivializing their experience or turning a blind eye to it by demanding the attention all be laid on you, you’re part of the problem.

      • sophia

        Damn man stop with the an ad hominems to discredit God.

        The Bible denounces slavery as sin and goes as far to put slave traders in the same boat as murderers (1 Timothy 1:10)

        FBI stats say blacks still have higher hate crimes then gays. Your arguments are weak as hell.

        You are just a white man posing as a black. FOR SHAME!!!

      • Susan

        Um, I don’t think you know the meaning of the word “ad hominem.” If you do, point out the time that I used an “ad hominem” to “discredit God.”

        Also, one eisegeted/cherry-picked Bible verse does not an exegetical argument make. Clearly that isn’t the case, since you had Bible-wielding slave-owners using the Bible to justify their actions.

        You clearly don’t do math well. You can’t say “blacks have higher crime rates than gays” because there are *more* black people than there are gay people. You have to look at percentages, and when you do that gay/lesbian and transgender people are disproportionately victims of hate crimes when compared to black people.

        And where is your evidence that a) I am a white man b) I posed as a black man?

        For someone calling another’s arguments “weak as hell,” yours sure suck.

      • Black Jay

        It seems that the best way to get you to understand your errors is to take the statements that I disagree with and respond to them one by one. So…. Here goes…..

        STATEMENT 1: “You might not have kicked my friend’s ass but when you conspire with a
        homophobic culture to marginalize them as second class citizens, you are
        by all means justifying the violence that takes place against them.”

        RESPONSE: When you say “You”, who are you referring to? Do you mean me, people like me, or people who are against homosexuals? I’ll assume that you’re talking about me for the sake of this argument. What proof do you have that I “conspire with a homophobic culture”? I am me. I am a individual. Even in kindergarten they teach you to hold each individual responsible for their own behavior. You can’t assume that people are conspiring against homosexuals because they have a different opinion than you do. That’s asinine.

        STATEMENT 2: “If you don’t think sexuality is necessary for some people’s lives then
        take a vow of celibacy and prove to me that it’s not necessary for you”

        RESPONSE: This was never a conversation about the “necessity” of sex. I could give a damn about any dude handling his business. That’s on him. But the discussion was on comparing the Gay cause to The African American cause. The statements I made, before you so rudely and unnecessarily attacked me, was that being Black is different than being Gay. Your sexual preference is a choice, hence the word “PREFERENCE”. Being Black isn’t a choice. It isn’t the same struggle. That was my point. So please, stay on subject. Let’s compare apples to apples.

        STATEMENT 3: “I never said being black and being gay were the same. Are there
        intersections? Absolutely. Look at the way Bible verses were used to
        justify slavery. Same is true for gay people.”

        RESPONSE: If this is your position then you have some explaining to do. What was the point of calling me an idiot? If you read what I wrote (and I don’t think you did or else you wouldn’t be contradicting yourself like this) you would see that I said the same thing that you did in STATEMENT 3. There are similarities between the struggles. But they are different. And no Gay person should be saying “It’s the same as the racial struggle” because it’s offensive to Black people and it trivializes what our people have been through. Basically, I said the same thing you did. But you let your emotions get the best of you instead of comprehending.

        STATEMENT 4: “You’re never going to get anywhere if you engage in a battle of onesupmanship for “who had it worse.”

        RESPONSE: I never came at any Gay person and said Black People had it worse or Gay people have it better. If I wrote that, show me. I didn’t. But I hate when people try to combine the struggles. They are different. Why can’t Gay people be content to fight their struggles on their own merits? You don’t see Black people mixing it up on the backs of The Holocaust. We don’t piggyback, so why should you. We fight based on our experiences and realities. And that’s some real sh*t.

        As it pertains to life in general, it sounds like you’ve experienced some real sh*t as a person. That’s not to diss you or anything. But the way you’re going at people on this thread tells me you have some things going on. I can relate. We all do. But think twice before you attack someone. Not everyone is an enemy. Because when someone responds to your unnecessary attack, it could be too late for understanding. Peace.

      • Susan

        Sexuality is not a “choice.” My friend that got attacked? Virgin. Me? Human sexuality researcher. Do *not* for one minute act as though somehow the oppression is worse on your end because race > sexual orientation. You yourself said “let’s compare apples to apples.” Why “piggyback?” Martin Luther King, Jr. said “an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” If the situations had been reversed, you better believe you’d have black scholars pointing out the similarities. We can learn from the mistakes of the past and there are common links in the -isms. Bayard Rustin. Look him up. Even Coretta Scott King said the “dream” MLK Jr had extended to LGBT people. Oppressed groups need to unite. Pitting them against each other is what has keep rich straight white Christian heterosexual able-bodied males at the seat of privilege and power while the rest of us squabble.

      • Black Jay

        Dude…. I feel sorry for you. You have some serious issues. A logical person would see that you’re not here to debate. You have a vendetta.You’ve attacked when there was no reason to attack. Most of the people on this thread have told you that mixing The Black Struggle with The Gay Struggle is offensive, and yet you continue to do it, without caution or regard for other people. I know… I know…. You’ll say,

        “But look at some of the disgusting stuff they’re saying.”

        But change doesn’t begin with them. It begins with you. Have you ever thought that your combative attitude may be a reason you have a few issues? A lot of people on this thread are FOR equal rights. But they have a right to choose God or whatever reason they want, just as you have that right.

        And you wonder why your argument holds no weight in here? Start by giving a little respect and you will get some in return. Your whole position is combative and not intellectual. You’re not even debating on an even footing. You’re bringing up things that may have relevance in your life, but continuously skirt outside of the discussion, off topic.

        Don’t quote anyone from the civil rights movement because you think it’s cool. People have told you that it’s offensive. You know who you should quote? Try Rachel Maddow. She’s a strong, intelligent voice for not only your cause, but a lot of people. That chick is as smart a f*ck. AND YES SHE’S GAY. Don’t d*ck ride (no pun intended) on MLK. Push forth Brandon Teena as your examples of inequality. You see, contrary to your notion that you are all knowing about the Gay struggle, many of us are aware of it. We just don’t wear it on our sleeves and jump down the throat of the first person that has a different opinion.

        Whatever happened to you, I hope you get help. I truly do. Because everyone on earth isn’t your enemy. You can’t condemn those just for having a different opinion than you.

      • Susan

        I’m not skirting discussion of the topic. You keep suggesting that everyone shares your opinion that “mixing” the two movements is wrong. Everyone does not share that opinion, as I was trying to point out. You’re calling me emotional? You’re disallowing me from quoting *anyone* from the Civil Rights movement, even though I simply quoted Martin Luther King Jr to show that he believed–his ideology was–that injustices are linked. And you’re suggesting that we should toss those links away and everyone should “fight their own fight.” My quote was a relevant point in this discussion. So are the stances of Coretta Scott King and Bayard Rustin, significant social justice advocates who recognized the overlap. So don’t act like your opinion is *the* opinion. It isn’t. You can call me emotional, but all I’m doing is calling you out on the giant overweening suppositions you’re making about this situation.

        Black LGBT people and black allies exist who see the need to bring the communities together. Just because it’s inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

      • Black Jay

        Dude…. Let’s kill this. You’re not hearing me. I’m not hearing you. Live your life.

        Just think twice before you call someone an idiot next time.

        Peace.

      • Craig

        MLK is the last person I wanna hear come out of white people mouth, white people love him a little too much now that hes dead but hated him while he was alive and that is fishy to me, he was killed because he really was about to get on white peoples case.

      • Craig

        He didn’t kick your cousins ass and he didn’t profit from the ass kicking, like white people did from slavery, thats why white people arent never getting off the hook from centuries and generations of slavery until they pay for those sins one way or the other, and its gonna happen.

      • Katya

        Homosexuality’s a sexual orientation though. Homosexuals say that all the time. Appearances incorrectly labeled “homosexual” are a different thing – in particular because there are straight guys with feminine tendencies or attributes and straight females with masculine ones. Not to mention the fact that people use that derogatory term for more than just homosexual people. Just attending grade school for a day can show us that.

        How a person looks has no relation to their sexual orientation unless it’s done on purpose (such as wearing a pro-homosexuality shirt intentionally). But people are hurt or attacked for their tendencies or attributes, yes, just as people are bullied because others consider them unattractive. Externally, however, regardless of how people try and spin it, homosexuality and appearance are not related. While your friend most definitely didn’t deserve to be attacked, there sounds like something else was at play that caused what happened.

    • Katya

      Very much agreed with point 1. Especially about Black people always having been a very spiritual people (it’s so true, but not something said or heard much nowadays).

      Regarding point 2, “But am I to believe everything within the bible?” – if you’re a Christian, yes, in particular because in the Bible it tells you His word will never pass away. So in response to the exercise you did in college, it’d be inapplicable because God specifically says He’ll protect His Word. The new versions released are copyrighted, which in the end, is indicative of their corrupt status, making it wisest just to stick with one that’s still public domain (KJV). “And I’m supposed to follow that to the letter?” Yes. The parts that pertain to Christians should be followed and the book itself should be used as it lends itself (history being a lesson to learn from, Christian commandments being the laws of our personal lives as Christians, etc).

      But I agree about some things being universal and about it being wrong to use a religious book to hurt others. And two thumbs up for this: “I don’t care how much a person comes on this thread and quotes passages.”

      The bible means different things to different people. And it should.” Not a problem as long as the fundamentals are agreed on. Indeed, the deeper details and the meanings of those details are for us to grow in Him – we get our perspectives on those via His guidance and how they’re to help us through life.

      Well said though, and a great comment. Thank you for sharing 🙂

  • Macklemore spoke his peace now let him speak his.

    • Susan

      Macklemore’s piece wasn’t bigoted. This dude’s is. Religion isn’t an excuse for bigotry. Never was. If Bizzie or whatever his name is knew anything about religious history, he’d know how the Bible was used to legitimate slavery, segregation, anti-miscegenation laws. Oh, and countless other oppressions, too. Women’s disenfranchisement for one. When will we learn.

      • sophia

        Jamming. Every Time someone disagrees they are a bigot. Screw that.

      • Susan

        Every time someone supports the oppression of a group based on their identity they are a bigot. Religion and race aren’t excuses to hold disgusting views. Wonder what this Christian rapper thinks about the fact that historically the Christian faith was passed on to black people by the very folks who enslaved them. And that Bible was used to justify that. Logic for the win!

      • sophia

        MLK AND X used religion to lead us out of slavery and oppression yet you listen and support rappers like jayz who calls himself a god and other rappers destroying the black community.

      • Dr.Tre

        Slavery ended well before MLK’s and Malcolm X’s time, but I’ll let you consult with a history book for that info. Plus, when Jay-z and Kanye West refer to themselves as Gods they are not claiming Creation. It’s existentialist view that you are able to grow into something better than what you are born into, which they have proved and what we all are capable of doing ourselves.

      • sophia

        Jayz and kanye are coons for the white man. Where is the black owned music distribution. LOL Jayz claims to be a god be he is just a pawn of the white man and greed. He didn’t make shit himself. The white man owns the distribution of his shit.

      • Dr.Tre

        And the white man founded/runs religion. so your misguided racism inadvertently has you praising the white man for disenfranchising the black race for centuries.

      • sophia

        LMAO jews and muslims are not white. Travel my nigga and see the world. Religion which has no color and if you paid attention in school Christianity organized blacks to overcome slavery and oppression. So I assume MLK or X are beneath you because they followed Christianity or Islam.

        Nigga you over here defending fags when you know that shit is a white disease affecting our community. 70% of black children are raised without both parents. These females are raising effeminate ass niggas that SUCK THE WHITE MANS DICK. If we don’t change our culture and get back to having strong black men leading our community we could in a generation find ourselves picking cotton again. Why because all our men are too busy sucking white dick and bending over to the white man. So who will rise up to combat racism NO ONE!!

      • praynstayhumble

        It’s not bigotry, he doesn’t have to agree, and you don’t have to agree with our faith in a REAL Jesus.

      • $13347569

        Jesus and your stupid GAWD is made up. Grow up for FFS

      • sophia

        Then you don’t mind pedophilia

      • praynstayhumble

        How about you grow up and learn some of that respect you always demand from Christians.

  • I guess my other comment is awaiting conformation because it has the word G A Y in it let me see if this makes it thru #Nigga

    • Slick Blak

      Use the island term “BATTY” or BATTYMAN its not in their vernacular yet.

  • The Media has tried for so long with much success to discredit “Black Life” and are trying so hard to give credit to being openly Gay. In one hand “We should be ashamed to be Black, in the other hand you should be proud to be Gay”. Now I know why so many of these black gay’s are so flamboyant, Because now they fill like they are a part of the Majority and are excepted. “If you are Proud to be a straight Black Man then there is no place for you in America”. NOW this is something to think about!!!

  • jd

    This is super dope.

    • Rev. M. Vernon Hunt

      Super dopey, super hateful, super evil.

      • sophia

        So you don’t like free speech.

      • jd

        Nah. none of the above. Just gave his opinion on it which I respect along with Macklemore’s. Dude spit bars son. Super nice.

      • GQ

        Is this your real pic?

  • Grammy Winner Taylor Swift

    The most outspoken ones always turn out to be closeted themselves.

    Bizzle, come out, come out wherever you are!

    • sophia

      LOL then gays long to be straight hahaha crazy logic.

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  • Susan

    You’re both disgusting.

    • Slick Blak

      So is your moms but we keeping that private.

    • Celz

      The real is often ugly my friend

      • Susan

        The only thing that’s real is that years from now people will look on you with the same disgust we do with other bigots in American history. Have fun on history’s dump heap.

      • Realist4200

        They don’t understand and they probably never will. Lesser evolved minds are on their way out.

      • Susan

        Agreed. To me racial equality means equality. I’ll be holding black people to the same accountability for prejudice as I do white people. Being black isn’t an excuse to be a bigot.

      • sophia

        No science on gay being genetic so its just sex. Its not the same as race which is genetic so your jamming attack fails.

      • sophia

        Trust me a man gagging on another mans dick is FAR from civilized. Its feral and barbaric.

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  • Pro Artist

    I appreciate Bizzle for speaking his opinion on this topic. Just as Macklemore expressed his views so has Bizzle. And I agree with Bizzle’s view.

    • chasebarteaux

      I don’t have a problem with black people, I just wish they wouldn’t force the black lifestyle down my throat.

      • Craig

        LOL U IDIOT. U definitely dont wann go down that road, the white lifestyle is filled with unnecessary wars killing children, slavery, catholic priests touching boys, jackass, mayonnaise, kissing dogs, native american genocide, lets stop the madness. the black lifestyle problem is just way too peaceful putting up with yall, your days are coming though, past sins have not been accounted for. And right now their are little kids overseas mad about their family getting blown up and I cant hold it against them for wanting revenge, be careful with your thinking white people are gonna avoid karma.

  • Pro Artist

    even his reference about the rainbow, very deep and profound bars.

  • regal84

    I LOVE the fact that homosexuals are the ones that lash out whenever someone does not agree with their lifestyle, or speaks in favor of a lifestyle that doesn’t speak in favor of their preference…Why did I have to explain a man putting a ring on another man’s finger to my 8 year old nephew while watching the Grammy’s…Why is there now a lesbian couple on the Disney channel??? Why is this lifestyle being force on our children??? Just like you (homosexuals) have the right to flaunt your lifestyle and attempt to MAKE everyone okay with it, guys like this young man have a right to stand for what he believes in and make a song denouncing what he sees as unpure..
    And on another note: YOU CANT PRODUCE BABIES WITH 2 MEN OR 2 WOMEN!!!!

    • Realist4200

      I dunno… Why did you have to explain that? It’s pretty much along the lines of a man and a woman doing the same thing. It’s not that big of a deal, unless you’re foolish enough to make it one. The real hard thing to explain should have been why they had to wait til 2014 to do it.

      As far as homosexuals not being able to reproduce – what’s your point? I don’t see a shortage of people – Earth’s population continues to grow. If anything, less reproduction is great for Earth and the people of the future. People who will look back on your primitive opinions in the same way that you look back on witch hunts from centuries ago. They were fueled by ignorance and committed by people who didn’t know any better.

      • regal84

        Maybe because I would prefer for my nephew to not engage in that activity if I have anything to do with it..Nothing against gay people, but I have a right to combat this lifestyle being forced on children who are too young to understand the logic of this…And reproduction is essential for starting a family, keeping a family’s bloodline and heritage going, etc…But like I said, if they have a right to flaunt, we have a right to combat it with our beliefs…Without hatred or blodshed…What I don’t like is the fact that disagreeing with the lifestyle automatically makes you a bigot…And if you see nothing wrong with this being perpetuated to children, I have no more words for you…Good day…

      • zappythezapper

        “Nothing against gay people” …except their lifestyle right? By your logic, single people who never reproduce are also what, sinning? Two consenting adults should be able to do what they want, they aren’t hurting anyone. Also they aren’t pushing their agenda on children, they are simply pushing for basic rights that have been withheld from them. If your argument is religious: The bible says tons of other shit is sinning like premarital sex, shellfish, showing your hair, etc. You can’t pick and choose… it isn’t logical.

        Real talk though, pause, breathe, and clear your head. Does two people wanting to be happy and engage in private, consensual sex hurt you? Does it hurt anyone? No. There’s nothing wrong with what they do. If you hate them or want to restrict their rights, then you are a bigot.

        In the end, it doesn’t matter though. Within 20 years or so you’ll be viewed as an ignorant bigot just like whites who hate blacks. Hate is bad my friend, love is good. I might not be Christian, but that’s the true message of Jesus. Not hate, not a list of sins you could never hope to stay away from. His message was Love.

        Peace & Love Peeps

      • regal84

        Like I said, I have nothing against gay people..but to force their lifestyle on those who don’t agree with it or were raised against it is a lot more harmful than a Christian rapper that does not agree with it…ANd if I CHOOSE to raise my children in a way that stems them away from it, does that make me a bigot???

      • Susan

        Being gay isn’t a lifestyle. Being gay is an orientation, an inherent part of one’s identity. Gay people exist. Get the f u c k over it. Religion isn’t an excuse. It wasn’t with slavery. It wasn’t with women’s disenfranchisement. It wasn’t with segregation or anti-miscegenation laws. It’s not here either. You clearly do have something against gay people if you’re acting as though coexisting with others is “shoving something down your throat” or you’re raising your children to reject their sexuality. Here’s a thought, all the major medical, psychological and psychiatric organizations in the U.S. agree that there is no way to change your sexual orientation and that attempts to change or suppress it could result in serious psychological trauma. I am willing to list all those organizations for you if you want to look it up for yourself. I pity your children.

      • regal84

        Orientation, lifestyle, however you want to slice it…you have the right to live it, I have the right to choose to keep away from it…Maybe YOU should get over it…How ironic is it the most hateful comments come from those that support the “orientation”??? Oh, the irony…

      • $13347569

        You sound like one of those racial segregationists.

        Must go near the blacks.

        Bigot.

      • chasebarteaux

        That is the most hateful comment? Clearly you have overlooked all of sophia’s posts.

      • $13347569

        Yeh that’s right.

        Teach them to be bigots like yourself.

      • Rev. M. Vernon Hunt

        If you have nothing against gay people, then you wouldn’t feel a need to “combat” their lives, or as you erroneously refer to them, “lifestyles.”

      • Realist4200

        I’m against pushing a lifestyle on people. I’m also against telling them they can’t live life the way they want. No harm no foul. Where’s the harm? I see more harm in letting kids watch Miley Cyrus run around naked – How do you explain that? “She acts/dresses like that to make you want to f#ck her” – What do you say when she’s f#cking a foam finger at the VMAs? – but you’re mad because you have to explain why two consenting adults are allowed to get married. That’s really goofy man.

        Also, if it’s nothing against gay people, why are you against it…? Kinda contradictory.

  • Buck Master

    perfect-absolutely perfect……..Bravo Bizzle ,I am a fan.

  • praynstayhumble

    Every time a Chrsitian doesn’t agree with gay people we’re called bigots and accused of hate speech. Newsflash: By saying that you are also now a bigot spreading hate speech as well as a hypocrite. I don’t have to agree with same-sex marriage just like you don’t have to agree with my faith. Love you all.

    • Realist4200

      They want to live a certain way. The way they live isn’t detrimental to your well-being. You still don’t want them to live that way. You’re being a bigot, plain and simple.

      What problems does it cause for you if two people of the same gender get married?

      • praynstayhumble

        They want us to support something we don’t wanna support, they are trying to force us to accept laws put into place. That’s being a bigot, cause I assure I’m not.. bigots aren’t loving, I am.

      • J C

        You realize that people were “forced” to support integration of schools back in the day, right? There’s always people who are on the wrong side of the history. Just because you’re used to something doesn’t mean it’s right. You’re not being “forced” to support anything. I just want the same right to be gay that you have to be a Christian. Stop trying to make this seem like it’s some personal issue for you. It shouldn’t be, unless you’re gay.

        Pointing out that someone is supporting sexist laws does not make you a bigot. Pointing out that someone is supporting racist laws does not make you a bigot. Pointing out that someone is supporting homophobic laws does not make you a bigot. Being a bigot makes you a bigot. And whether you want to believe it or not, laws that deny gay people the right to the same legal benefits or marriage straight people get are bigoted

        Being bigoted has NOTHING to do with “being loving.” Being bigoted is supporting and justifying inequality in the world just because of your own feelings.

      • Craig

        forced intergration should have been illegal and I’m black by the way, desegregation was a good thing but forced integration was catastrophic an is one of the reasons black america is in bad shape today, MNLK was brave but it doesnt mean he was right in everything he did, u never I can assure u the black schools were much better back then, all black people wanted was equality and fair treatment, integration is just a whole different thing, u can have equality an fair treatment without forced intergration, I believe people would have integrated naturally anyway at their own pace and we wouldnt be so tense with each other today, cause force integration cause people to get bloodied an spit on an shot with water hoses, an yet today black kids are still getting shot, I dont think black an white would have been fully integrated but I think we would be getting along much better today, and I’m not talking about big corporations they would have had to include black people but small business wouldnt have to but I bet u they would for the money and WALAA natural integration.

      • Realist4200

        Who are you to tell them how they can live though? They’re just trying to be free – you don’t want them to have that freedom – the same freedom you have. That’s a class A spot on bigot. They aren’t telling the entire world to be homo. But you’re telling them nobody in the world should be homo. You’re in denial if you don’t understand that.

        How does same sex marriage harm you?

      • chasebarteaux

        Lmao. Actually, not allowing them equal rights is forcing your views on them. If you don’t agree to gay marriage, don’t get one and shut up about it. That’s like saying, “I don’t agree with Islam so we have to take Muslims’ freedom to worship away.” It’s unconstitutional. It’s called co-existence. Your freedoms end where theirs begin. Logic.

    • Susan

      I’m a Christian and I support gay people. You know why? Because I’ve studied the Bible. I can read Hebrew and Greek. And because I know the Bible’s history and how it was used in the very same way (cherry-picking verses and removing them from context) to preach against black people, to justify slavery, to justify segregation, to deny women voting rights, to burn witches (witches in Salem were women who were too independent–one was seriously burned just for teaching a Bible class in her own home). You’re doing the very same thing. Sorry, white boy. Keep trying to act persecuted. It’s not a reality.

      • sophia

        You are not a Christian. Your whole comment reeks of stereotypical responses.

      • chasebarteaux

        Your entire presence on this board reeks of stupidity.

      • praynstayhumble

        None of how you spoke, is how a Christian speaks. While homosexual feelings aren’t a sin, engaging in the ACT is a sin. People want same-sex marriage legalized to act on that sin. That is why I don’t support it, and if you were really a Christian, you wouldn’t call me a “white boy” as you have, which I assume you think I grew up in the suburbs. And sorry, Christians are persecuted.

      • chasebarteaux

        Little man, he just pointed out that it’s historically been Christians doing the persecuting. Everything he said was Christian. If Jesus had been in human form and witnessed as his alleged followers used his sacred text to enslave people, or deny women the ability to vote, or murder Native Americans because they wouldn’t convert, what do you think he’d say? Jesus was not about turning a blind eye to injustice. Jesus would’ve called that out. The greatest commandment Jesus issued was to love God and love your neighbor, and you’re suggesting that a “true Christian” doesn’t acknowledge all the ways in which Christians have failed to do that. For shame. It’s tragic that people as simple-minded and irrational as you exist.

    • $13347569

      Bigot is as bigot does.

      • praynstayhumble

        You should know.

    • J C

      I don’t give a shit if you agree with it. I don’t “agree” with you being a Christian, but I haven’t tried to make laws that keep you from going to Church. Why is it YOUR business to make laws keeping me from getting married?

  • sophia

    Homosexual attraction has its origins in predisposed characteristics, unmet childhood needs, and in the environment. It is a developmental disorder that leads to negative behaviors with negative consequences — adversely impacting individuals and society at large. The choice to act on same-sex attraction or to seek help to overcome these tendencies can be freely made by the individual. Homosexual behaviors can accurately be described as risky and should not be mainstreamed into society or equated with civil rights. Compassion for homosexuals should not include drastic social and legal measures to accommodate the demands of this small, but powerful minority. Bodies of government, courts of law, schools, and other organizations under pressure to accept the homosexual agenda will do well to remember that the demands and claims of homosexual activists are self-serving and result in no societal good. Social science research clearly demonstrates that the homosexual agenda does not promote the best interests of families or individuals.

    • Realist4200

      How exactly does two people of the same gender getting married harm you?

  • sophia

    HEY EVERYBODY!!!! I have this sexual fetish I NEED all of you to know about. It sets me apart from you but I need to be equal unless I want to be singled out and special. I NEED you to explain what I like to do in bed to your kids so they can celebrate what kind of sex I enjoy. I’m just like everyone in that I NEED everyone to talk about and notice my fetish in a positive way

    • Realist4200

      It’s called a stereotype; every tree has some bad apples. Not all gay people are like that, and some straight people are like that. Ever seen a music video?

    • Susan

      Hi, as someone with a psych degree who works as a therapist I think you need to know that there’s a huuuge difference between a sexual fetish and a sexual orientation. Pretty sure everyone knows that.

      • sophia

        Homosexuality is not a genetically encoded condition. Contrary to media hype, there is no conclusive or compelling empirical evidence showing any absolute biological, genetic, or hormonal causation for homosexuality. Homosexual activist and molecular biologist Dean Hamer’s study claiming the existence of a homosexual gene has been scientifically discredited. Studies that claim to prove homosexuality is genetic have been purposefully designed from a homosexual advocacy perspective and seek to convince society that homosexuality is innate, psychologically normal, and thus socially desirable.

        There may be a possibility of the existence of a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality, which is far different from causation. But even this possibility is far from scientifically proven. Predisposition toward something does not mean that it is inevitable, or that such a predisposition cannot or should not be resisted and overcome. Some people may have a predisposition to alcoholism, yet we do not affirm their disposition, but rather treat their condition and help them change. Current evidence suggests that environmental, familial, and personal influences contribute significantly to the development of homosexual tendencies. Seventy years of therapeutic counseling and case studies show a remarkable consistency concerning the origins of the homosexual impulse as an uncompleted gender identity seeking after its own sex to replace what was not fully developed in childhood.

        Although individuals who experience homosexual attractions and thoughts may not have chosen these tendencies, they do have a choice as to whether or not they will act on the feelings. It is the acting on these feelings that constitutes homosexuality. Many people have left the homosexual community and live successful heterosexual lives, which often includes marriage and raising children.

      • Susan

        Do you ever have an article that’s your own or do you plagiarize everything? If you want to steal an argument, steal one from a reliable, peer-reviewed medical or psychological journal, not some website where any thug can post what they want. Your (plagiarized) rambling about a gene isn’t even relevant. You know why? Because genes don’t govern everything about a person. There doesn’t have to be a “gay gene” to make someone gay. There are physiological differences in gay men and straight men and lesbians and straight women. For instance, their brains respond differently when exposed to the sweat of others. Gay men’s sweat arouses gay men’s brains and straight women’s sweat arouses straight men’s brains (and vice-versa). The brain structures also differ. Most scientists conclude that the hormone bath a woman goes through during pregnancy has something to do with neurological development, since at time she becomes more adept at “feminizing” the brain, meaning the greater the number of older brothers the likelier a boy will be gay.

        You know how I know this? Because I am a researcher in the field of human sexuality. I studied it in college. I studied it for my first master’s degree. And now I’m at work on my second master’s degree before pursuing a doctorate. Your plagiarized nonsense is garbage when it comes to “science.”

        You know who’s on my side in this argument? The American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Association of School Psychologists, the American Counseling Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the National Association of Social Workers, and the American Academy of Physician Assistants.

        I’m sorry but I think they know a little more about you than you do about them. Oh, and by the way. You’re demanding proof of a gay gene? How about before you oppress an entire human population you offer proof of everything in that book you’re thumping over others’ heads?

        You know. The book where God mandates women marry their rapists and remain silent in church and submit to their husband’s wills. The one where God encourages his chosen people to go circumcise a village and then slaughter them while they’re recovering. The book where God threatens to dash people’s babies against rocks. The one where serpents manipulate people into eating fruit, donkeys can talk, people turn into salt for turning around, flaming chariots spirit people away, etc. That book. Offer me some scientific proof of that.

      • sophia

        LOL… again …there is no conclusive or compelling empirical evidence showing any absolute biological, genetic, or hormonal causation for homosexuality.

        The American Psychological Association:

        “Many scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for many people at an early age through complex interactions of biology, psychological and social factors.”

        (The American Psychological Association’s pamphlet “Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality.”

        The American Psychiatric Association (2000):

        “no replicated scientific studies showing any specific biological etiology for homosexuality.”

        Sociologist Steven Goldberg:

        “I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors.”…

        Research studies on homosexuality by Dr’s Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic.

        Same sex attraction is a symptom of a developmental disorder that can often be prevented and can be treated.

      • chasebarteaux

        The “gay gene” is a red herring. No one is claiming a gene is responsible for sexuality. It’s brain development in the womb.

        Also, Steven Goldberg is a sociologist… not a psychologist, psychiatrist, or medical doctor. Nice try, though.

      • sophia

        Brain development in the womb…. LMAO nothing conclusive and not peer reviewed.

        Being gay has to do with your environment PERIOD!!

  • Mark

    You can take sophia’s message below and replace homosexual with word “black” “jew” Hitler would have added “handicapped’ “non-Aryan’ as well as “homosexual”. etc. etc. All the same narrow minded thinking. Bizzle should also quote the passages of the Bible that support slavery. God gave us a brain….in the hopes that we would use them. I think Jesus alluded to that fact.

    • Susan

      Right on, Mark. Jesus who never talked about homosexuality. Someone once said “Protestantism was the triumph of Paul over Peter, but fundamentalism is the triumph of Paul over Jesus.” If there’s one thing the Bible teaches us about sin, it’s that people have a lot of hatred in their hearts and will find a scapegoat for anything. In fact, the Bible has been used for plenty of scapegoating in our history: slavery, women’s disenfranchisement, mass murdering of native American “heathens.” These people would distort terrible translations of Paul rather than use the Gospels for their purposes. The whole movement of the Bible isn’t about excluding, hating and practicing violence against the “other”; it’s about communion with them. These people will join history’s dump heap with the other oppressors of yesterday.

      • Mark

        Right on Chris. The parables of Jesus are beautiful and simple. No word of hate….only love, selflessness and compassion. Jesus always friended the least among him. He only went after 2 groups of people: hypocrites and religious leaders who really were neither. I am Catholic and gay. And God must be so much more concerned with the carnage, human catastrophe and cruelty in Syria than with any two people who want to care for each other.

      • sophia

        Jesus never approved sexual perversion

      • Susan

        Jesus never called homosexuality a sexual perversion. But he did call out self-righteous hypocrites, especially those who bullied others. Frequently.

      • sophia

        Matthew 19 3-9

        3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” 8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”[a]

        Man and man and woman and woman is null and void.

      • Susan

        You’ve committed what those in Bible scholarship refer to as the fallacy of eisegesis. A simple definition (the only kind I think you’re intelligent enough to grasp onto) via Wikipedia is “the process of interpreting a text or portion of a text in such a way that it introduces one’s own presuppositions, agendas, or bases into and onto the text.”

        You’ve clearly neglected the context. The Pharisee is asking Jesus about *divorce.* The Pharisee asks if a man may divorce his wife for any cause. Jesus is replying to that man’s question. Jesus uses the creation narrative to say that a man may *not* divorce his wife except if *she* commits adultery.

        And yet… hmm… here you are. You’re trying to stop same-sex marriage. Why aren’t you out there to get divorce outlawed, hmm? Or raging on an internet forum against divorced people?

        Jesus may not have said anything about gay people, but he sure as heck had a lot to say about hypocrites, of which you are the worst sort.

      • sophia

        Jesus quoted what was written that God created man and woman to be one in the flesh not two men or two women. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate. LOL you are going against Gods creation and are trying to bastardize it and lift up your own counterfeit of marriage. LOL the first verses of the Bible debunk what you are saying about the Bible. Look I understand you don’t agree but you sound immature and ignorant trying to implant themes CLEARLY not in the Bible.

      • $13347569

        God does not exist.

      • chasebarteaux

        There are two creation narratives in Genesis, not one. One comes from the Jahwist source and one comes from the Priestly source. They are back to back in Genesis. In them, God creates the world in different orders. In the Priestly source, God creates men and women together, not one first and then the other like in the Jahwist source. Read other ancient near eastern etiological origin-of-the-world tales and you’ll discover “Adam and Eve” or “how the snake got its crawl” is no different than folk tales about “how the wolf got its howl” or “why the moon is white.” It’s mythology. And science doesn’t support it at all.

    • sophia

      Homosexuality is a sexual behavior. It cannot be compared to race or ethnicity. People who engage in same-sex behavior are accorded the same rights as every other citizen. Special rights should not be given to individuals because of their sexual behavior. Homosexuality is not a genetically encoded condition – like height or skin color. Governments should not grant special rights to the homosexual community for what is a behaviorally-based identity rather than a true genetic one.

      • $13347569

        Would you describe the internal feelings you have about whom you love as a “behaviour”. I think not.

  • sophia

    I want to get the record straight once and for all about this slavery issue. It gets thrown in my face quite often as an ad hominem to discredit God.

    The Bible denounces slavery as sin and goes as far to put slave traders in the same boat as murderers (1 Timothy 1:10)

    Plus we have to use our “proper”hermeneutics to see what the Bible actually says about slavery.

    Back in the days of Leviticus slavery was sanctioned due to economic reasons. Back then, there were no such thing as bankruptcy laws so people would sell themselves into slavery to rectify debts. A craftsman could use his skills to literally “pay off” a debt. Or a convicted thief could make restitution by serving as a slave. (Exodus 22:3)

    The Bible recognizes the reality of slavery, but it never promotes the practice of slavery. It was the biblical principles that ultimately led to the overthrow of slavery, both in ancient Israel and in the United States.

    One has to only go far as to think why the Jews left Egypt in the first place to see God’s view of slavery. It took some years in America to wake up to the realization of biblical truth that all people are created by God with innate equality. (Genesis 1:27, Acts 17:26-28, Galatians 3:28)

    We are all one race, the human race, in God’s eyes.

    • Susan

      Are you going to cite the author you stole that from or just pass the work off as your own? Sorry. It’s easier to dialogue with people who actually speak to you. I’m sorry, but as someone who’s done plenty of hermeneutics in his own life I don’t think you can win an argument with one eisegeted Bible verse. You are the weakest link, goodbye.

      • sophia

        HAHAHA all you did was post opinion and emotion no source to back up your claim. Typical of those who have no argument. FAIL!!

      • Susan

        You have no argument. You just plagiarized someone else. Fail. I’ll give you an argument when you get off your fat, lazy butt and give me one.

      • sophia

        so if I say gay = aids and post the following source to support my argument is this plagiarism?!?!

        Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM))a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young MSM (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all MSM. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were MSM or MSM-IDU.

        Source: CDC. Estimated HIV incidence among adults and adolescents in the United States, 2007–2010 . HIV Surveillance Supplemental Report 2012;17(4).

      • Susan

        Do you know what MSM stands for? “Men who have sex with men.” That’s men on the down low. You know, your husbands who pretend to be straight and then go have unprotected sex with other men.

        You know who’s most responsible for domestic violence and rape? Straight men. Does that mean heterosexuality is bad? Your logic sucks.

        Um, yes, that source does not prove that gay = AIDS. First of all, HIV and AIDS are not the same thing. Secondly, if that article said 100% of gay men had AIDS, gay = AIDS would be accurate. But that’s not what it says. It says “of the people with AIDS, 72% of new HIV infections are one specific age group of MSM. This says to me that a) young MSMs because of the very homophobic society *you* are perpetuating are not in the know about how safe sex works for MSMs b) groups such as blacks in which homosexuality bears a great stigma due to bigotry are less likely to seek treatment until it gets really bad. The only reason they’re at greater risk is because semen is a serious means by which it is transmitted and when you have two men you have twice the amount.

        Also, if you look globally, black women are the population most affected by HIV/AIDS. Have fun with that. 🙂

      • sophia

        LOL per cdc new HIV infections dropped 21% in black women in 2010.

        Now back to gay men…

        Sixty-two percent of American men who know they are HIV positive continue to have unprotected anal sex, according to data released Nov 2013 by the federal Centers for Disease Control.

        This data, which was published Nov 2013, and came from the federal government’s National HIV Behavioral Surveillance System.

        The percentage of self-aware HIV-positive men who engage in unprotected anal sex has been increasing, according to the CDC. In 2005, 55 percent did so. In 2008, 57 percent did so. And, in 2011, 62 percent did so.

        Finally, its a MYTH that the mental and emotional problems that homosexuals experience are due to the straight community’s persecution and intolerance of their lifestyle.

        If this were true, then one would expect to find lower rates of suicide and mental illness among homosexuals in areas where homosexuality has been mainstreamed and widely accepted for decades (i.e., San Francisco, European countries, particularly the Netherlands). However, research shows that there is no reduction in the rates of suicide, mental illness, substance abuse, alcoholism, and homosexual domestic violence in areas where homosexuality is more widely accepted. High rates of emotional trauma in homosexuals are not induced by society but rather are the result of deviant behavior that assaults the emotional and physical health, of those who engage in homosexual sex.

        Study of 5,998 Dutch adults. Theo G.M. Sandforte, T. Graaf, R. Bijl, R. Schnabel, P. (2001) Same-Sex Sexual Behavior and Psychiatric Disorders: Findings from the Netherlands Mental Health Survey and Incidence,” Archives of General Psychiatry. 58, 10: 85-91.

      • Susan

        The biggest racial demographic affected by HIV/AIDS is black people. According to your logic, black people must then be evil, wrong sexual deviants. Lmao.

        Also, you’re quoting a study from 2001. None of my psychology faculty would accept that, especially considering there was a great burst of research into LGBTQ community and depression, alcoholism, suicide, etc. starting in 2009 when all the young people being bullied and committing suicide as a result gained media attention. You’re just the grown-up version of their bullies and have some serious issues. You’re probably a repressed lesbian who thinks that buy haunting these forums you can de-gay yourself. Look up Robin J. Lewis, Valerian J. Derlega, Jessica L. Griffin, Alison C. Krowinski, Steven Sarfen, Richard Heimberg, BN Cochran, AJ Stewart, IH Meyer, VM Mays and countless others. They have long since discredited Sandforte’s assertion that lower rates of suicide happen in “areas where homosexuality has been mainstreamed.” I think you’ll find if you look at hate crimes, they still occur with frequency in “areas where homosexuality has been mainstreamed.”

        Wow, if you really think pulling one paragraph out of one article makes you an authority on a subject, you’d never survive a single class in psychology. But I’m glad you’re giving me a good story to tell my faculty advisors. They’ll get a nice laugh out of this, so talking to you hasn’t been pointless.

      • sophia

        I see so none of your faculty believe physics either as its laws was discovered 300 years ago…lol. See i quoted a study with as source you have not. Again you are stating emotion and opinion. I’m sorry you can’t accept the CDC’s study and findings. Its a shame. Oh and I am sure your pro gay advisors have brainwashed you with theory of an androgynous society and kinsey studies….just remember kinsey supported a pedophile.

      • Susan

        Emotion and opinion? I just cited a broad range of psychology scholars for you to research rather than plucking a random, 13 year old study from the internet. Just because it disproves you doesn’t mean it’s “emotion and opinion.” Lolz! My advisors aren’t “brainwashing” me by giving me access to libraries with peer-reviewed scientific studies.

        You want to talk about brainwashing? Talk about your belief in a 2,000+ year old book where rapists are required to marry their victims, donkeys talk, and people turn into salt for watching cities burn. It’s on the basis of this book that you’re attacking gay people. It’s using this book that many of history’s greatest injustices–inquisitions, massacres, etc–have been justified. But I’m the brainwashed one for doing scientific research. Listen, if you hate science so much, the next time you get sick, don’t go to the hospital. Pray to God for healing. See how that turns out.

        Um, sorry. While we learn about Kinsey as we learn about everyone who was important in medical science and psychology (i.e. Freud, who no one really relies on nowadays) we certainly don’t hold him up as an authority. And you want to talk about pedophiles? Let’s talk about clergy in the Church.

        There is absolutely no logic for you to bring HIV/AIDS into this, since the number one sufferers in the world are black women. Also, what are you trying to say? Because gay men are more susceptible HIV/AIDS (because of semen/their reproductive system), they must be evil and wrong? If that’s the case, then lesbians, who get HIV/AIDS less than straight people, are much better than straight people. Lolz. Your logic is astoundingly bad. So many holes in it. You’ve left lesbians entirely out of your argument and now it’s biting you in the rear end.

      • Jesse Quist

        Chris you were doing well until you used the mistakes of some of the people who practice the faith to discredit the faith… The God of the bible does stand for the sanctity of life and makes an especially hard point of never harming children.

        In any case, this is interesting continue.

      • Susan

        Um, no. Throughout the Old Testament God gets angry and threatens to dash little ones’ heads against rocks. The great flood and every other disaster killed whatever babies and children were alive at that time, as did the plague of death kill first borne regardless of age.

    • Nicholas Simon

      Ok i accept that. the bible doesnt preach to own slaves. “GO GET A SLAVE” But you speak of the book like it is influenced by pop culture or culture of the time. Influenced by what man is going through at that moment. That doesnt sound like god to me. God doesnt speak to trends, fads or relate to people of a specific generation. He wrote the bible for us all, for all times. THEREFOR this leads me to the conclusion that man being the corruptable beings we are, changed it. Made the bible a little more for the goals of man and a little more ambiguous. So we now have to accept some things and ignore others.

      • sophia

        Men are sinner and they used the Bible just like men use other books to gain power and justify that power over the masses.

        The Bible has become a significant source book for secular archaeology, helping to identify such ancient figures as Sargon (Isaiah 20:1); Sennacherib (Isaiah 37:37); Horam of Gazer (Joshua 10:33); Hazar (Joshua 15:27); and the nation of the Hittites (Genesis 15:20). The biblical record, unlike other “scriptures,” is historically set, opening itself up for testing and verification.

        Two of the greatest 20th-century archaeologists, William F. Albright and Nelson Glueck, both lauded the Bible (even though they were non-Christian and secular in their training and personal beliefs) as being the single most accurate source document from history. Over and over again, the Bible has been found to be accurate in its places, dates, and records of events. No other “religious” document comes even close.

        Look man you sound VERY immature and ignorant. All I hear is the stereotypical responses ….slavery in the bible, man wrote it etc.. nothing new or deep. Pick up the book and do your own research or maybe you just in your god more jayz. He says the same things in his songs. Brainwashed.

      • Papi Peligro

        That’s like saying a Abraham Lincoln vampire hunters is accurate cause it has Abraham Lincoln in it.

        That quote stop reading what people tell you. The bible is only accurate in that certain names and locations match. The main narative is proven false. Lineages of the people from Shem Ham and Japheth doesn’t even cover the Philistines nor the Egyptians.

        SECULAR HISTORY HAS NEVER FOUND THE ORIGINAL TEMPLE. THAT’S FACT.

        THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM ARCHAEOLOGY MOUTH.

        The traditional view, personified in such archaeologists as Albright and Wright, faithfully accepted the biblical events as history, but has since been questioned by “Biblical minimalists” such as Niels Peter Lemche, Thomas L. Thompson and Philip R. Davies. Israel Finkelstein[5] suggests that the empire of David and Solomon (United Monarchy) never existed and Judah was not in a position to support an extended state until the start of the 8th century. Finklestein accepts the existence of King David and Solomon but doubts their chronology, significance and influence as described in the Bible.[6] Without claiming that everything in the Bible is historically accurate, some non-supernatural story elements appear to correspond with physical artifacts and other archaeological findings. Inscriptions traced to non-Hebrew cultural origin, such as the Tel Dan Stele and the Mesha Stele.

      • sophia

        Finklestein accepts the existence of King David and Solomon … great

      • Nicholas Simon

        I grew up with the bible in my face and had to read it every night. I know what I am saying. I do not need to find a new argument to impress anyone. To me it is obvious as the light of day.

        Man is compromised. We are sinners. We can not help it. So you mean to tell me at that moment when we receive the word of the creator and are instructed to write the book that will rule his people we dont add anything for ourselves. We dont try to influence the struggles we as a people are having against heathens, the power of the woman? Maybe we will change the day Jesus was born to get more people to our side. Wait we would never do that.

        If the bible was written by one man in a cave without any influences just ‘scribing’ the dialogue of god then i would be believe it. But that book is inherently skewed. We are not capable of it not being.

        So old argument? Ok. But I read the bible and I can see it.

      • Papi Peligro

        Homie Ex. 21:7 and 2 Ki. 4:1. It does allow for forced slavery.

    • Papi Peligro

      Let me teach you how to respond with intellect and rebuttal with facts.

      You partially right. Tell me if this is moral? Women were not afforded the same rights as men. You could sell Women into slavery without her being able to say no as her father and she would never be allowed to go free.

      “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Ex. 21:7

      Is that moral?

      A creditor could come take a woman’s child to settle the debts
      2 Ki. 4:1

      Is that moral?

      So it wasn’t free choice to be someones slave you were sold into slavery as a child and as women could not get out of that slavery.

      The very nature of where he draws his morality from is that Jews were slaves in Egypt. No historical reference or archaeological evidence has ever shown that Pyramid builders were slaves. In fact it was a job they received wages and it was a prideful job to have. The Hyksos took over the country for over 100 years. How could slaves do that.

      So again no bible has either the moral authority or the historic accuracy to support its claim to govern anyone’s lives or morals. If you choose that for you fine. It has nothing to do with nobody else. All that Idiot, soft stuff you adding is covering over the fact you can’t make an argument outside of pointing to the bible. When the Bible is actually used against you then we all interpreting it wrong. If God left you in power to judge other’s interpretation of the bible and or people in general he left a pretty poor person in charge. I got a miracle challenge if he’s alive let him handle it himself.

      • sophia

        So, obviously, slavery during Old Testament times was not what we commonly recognize as slavery, such as that practiced in the 17th century Americas, when Africans were captured and forcibly brought to work on plantations. Unlike our modern government welfare programs, there was no safety-net for ancient Middle Easterners who could not provide a living for themselves. In ancient Israel, people who could not provide for themselves or their families sold them into slavery so they would not die of starvation or exposure. In this way, a person would receive food and housing in exchange for labor.

        So, although there are rules about slavery in the Bible, those rules exist to protect the slave. Injuring or killing slaves was punishable – up to death of the offending party. Hebrews were commanded not to make their slave work on the Sabbath, slander a slave, have sex with another man’s slave, or return an escaped slave. A Hebrew was not to enslave his fellow countryman, even if he owed him money, but was to have him work as a hired worker, and he was to be released in 7 years or in the year of jubilee (which occurred every 50 years), whichever came first. In fact, the slave owner was encouraged to “pamper his slave”.

      • sophia

        God has the right to take the lives of the Canaanites when He sees fit. How long they live and when they die is up to Him.

        So the problem isn’t that God ended the Canaanites’ lives. The problem is that He commanded the Israeli soldiers to end them. Isn’t that like commanding someone to commit murder? No, it’s not. Rather, since our moral duties are determined by God’s commands, it is commanding someone to do something which, in the absence of a divine command, would have been murder. The act was morally obligatory for the Israeli soldiers in virtue of God’s command, even though, had they undertaken it on their on initiative, it would have been wrong.

  • Nicholas Simon

    good flow but cant get with it. To be against gay is wrong. people do not want to be gay no one asks for that. its not easy to be gay just like its not easy to be black. if we had to go stand in a line to choose our race, knowing what life would be like if we were white who would go in the black line, especially those who were black before the 2000s when being black was a bit cooler and a little more accepted. Prolly no one. We dont ask for this its what was given to us. The way it is. So I accept LGBT only because I see the struggle. MY GOD doesnt hate. And i feel christians can be hypocrites. You hold certain parts of the bible holy and others are flexible. I wonder if Bizzle owns any slaves and treats them like the bible tells us to. Stone anyone lately? Maybe it isnt all right?

    • sophia

      Hilarious how these effeminate black men support the devils plan to destroy the black family. Look at you brainwashed. The only struggle a gay man has is the struggle to get a dick in his ass.

      Unfortunately, I see where your brainwashing comes from as you listen to all these gay rappers talking about fashion, money, cars, smokin and drinkin. Whats even more appalling is that you have the nerve to call out your god. Who is that Jayz, Wiz, Kendrick LOL.

      Your knowledge of the Bible is shallow and your response calling Christians hypocrites baseless and ignorant.

      • Realist4200

        Haven’t taken your meds yet, I see.

        Manic-depressive is my guess. Bi-polar?

      • chasebarteaux

        It didn’t take long for Sophia to show her true colors. Wasn’t that quote “and by their fruits you shall know them?” I think we know Sophia pretty well by now.

      • Nicholas Simon

        The devils plan to destroy the black family? What the hell are you talking about? This must be someone writing stupid comments to stir the pot. There isnt a person out there who actually thinks the way you do. Please say it aint so.

    • Brooklyn Stoop

      ” if we had to go stand in a line to choose our race, knowing what life would be like if we were white who would go in the black line, especially those who were black before the 2000s when being black was a bit cooler and a little more accepted. Prolly no one”

      speak for your own self hating ass. i love being black and wouldnt change my race no matter the era or circumstances my people maybe in. why? cause we are the original people…………..why would i change from being a original man to be man-kind

      • That doesn’t negate the fact that many black folks passed for white to escape the harsh treatment that blacks faced.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        it wasnt many, it was just the ones that could. and even the ones that did pass for white, some of them used they skin tone to help black people in the struggle. in particular im speaking on the black people that passed for white to buy bullets during the Atlanta race riots. dubios (who prolly passed himself but spoke very negative about Marcus Garvey ideology and his skin tone, ironically) make mention of this in his writings.

        but if we are not negating things then lets not negate the fact that Christianity did introduce to black people a white image of God, his son, the angels as well as other characters in king james version of the bible. so if we are not going to negate the fact of black people passing for white then lets also not negate the fact that it was your bible and that story about ham that made black people want to be anything other than black.

      • No strawmans please. Stick with the issue at hand.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        so leave the strawman out. all you said was stick with the issue at hand. you aint mention a issue. remember guy you responded to me, not the other way around.

      • Right. You made some point that it wasn’t many blacks who passed for white because of their lighter skin, but there were many. Research will show this. Those that passed did so because of Jim Crow laws and intense racism. Your point of blaming Christianity or the Bible that made black people want to be anything other than black needs to be backed up with something viable.

        Now, it is true that many used the Bible to discriminate and oppress black folks, just like they use the Bible to oppress women and the lgbt community. But it is my belief that it is the people misusing Christianity and not Christianity.

        Many have masked their hate and ill will towards others in Christianity. I don’t blame Christianity at all. I blame the people who misinterpret scripture or misuse scripture to harm others.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        (blacks passing for white)
        back to the passing. i said the ones that passed for white was only the ones that could. i mean thats common sense. mariah cary have more of a chance of passing for white then lets say T.O. so what im saying is it wasnt “many” just the ones that could but even the ones that could used there skin tone to help blacks not to run away from blacks and i brought up the Atlanta race riots, i believe this happen in the 1920s but i didnt add the date cause im not 100% sure, but the ones passing for white was getting bullets for the blacks that couldnt, according to dubois………who could or might have passed for white him self. but like i said he had issues with skin tone and hated on the Hon Marcus Garvey.
        (the bible)
        the point of mentioning that ties into the bible and this “curse” on ham which people attribute to black people in the bible. so what im saying is, if my people is beat down physically then mentally they had to have been beat down spiritually to believe that the whole history of the world is in a book. so now im spirtually broken i read king james version of the bible and the creator is white, his son is white and the characters are white. im praying to the white race. then i get cherry picked verses saying the slave must obey his master and during this time black people are the slaves and the white race propped them self as masters. THEN you teach me that Ham was cursed and his generation will be servants to others…………….. so what im saying is if i took all this during that time then of course i wouldnt want to be black or i would start the process of breeding down and lighting up my generation. so the passing wasnt soley because of jim crow or the mistreatment of black people it had a lot to do with they religious doctrine also

      • Again this goes to my point about who is doing the teaching. It wasn’t the Bible but those teaching Biblical principles tainted with their own greed and racism.

        There is this story of a young Black seminary student in the 40’s. When he wrote his papers or delivered a sermon he never wrote or preached on the teachings of Paul. One day his Professor pulled him to the side and asked him why didn’t he speak on the teachings of Paul. Stunned, the young student stated that his Grandmother who was a former slave never taught him any thing written from Paul.

        This young man went home during the Summer break and asked his Grandmother why didn’t she teach him from Pauline Epistles. She told him that during slavery the white preacher would only preach “slaves obey your masters” and other Pauline scriptures. She knew that anything that the slave master preached on was only used to harm. Right after the slave master preacher left, they would hear sermons on being God’s chosen people and freedom.

        Again, it is about who is doing the teaching.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        remember im bring the bible part to compare it to the passing for white part.

        the bible came before jim crow, correct?

        so what im doing is showing how………….even lets use your words “its about who is doing the teaching”

        the person who taught us to hate ourself taught us about king james version of the bible……….correct? so this person taught us to hate our self and showed our ancestors through the bible that this is what god thought about us. what im saying isnt a attack on the bible. you believe in the bible teaching, ,me not so much. so i dont want to different ideologies to keep going around each other. i brought the bible up to show WHY black people would pass for white.

        original comment

        “speak for your own self hating ass. i love being black and wouldnt change my race no matter the era or circumstances my people maybe in. why? cause we are the original people…………..why would i change from being a original man to be man-kind”

      • Again to make a far reaching comment like it is the Bible that teaches to hate ourselves, you need some viable proof.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        this is what you said

        “You made some point that it wasn’t many blacks who passed for white because of their lighter skin, but there were many. Research will show this. Those that passed did so because of Jim Crow laws and intense racism.”

        so i will ask you this. what came first Jim Crow or King James Version Of The Bible?

        assuming your answer: King James version of the bible

        next question:
        so if we was taught the bible by people that hated us then what type of teaching was we taught?

        assuming your answer: a teaching of hate

        next question: so if we was taught through religion (in this case Christianity, in other cases Isam, in other case Hinduism etc etc) to hate our self then wouldnt it make sense that by time jim crowism came about that it was the false religious teaching that made us willing to pass for another race and not the mistreatment of the race.

        unless you saying that the whole curse of ham story is NOT in your bible

      • Again and this is my last point on this, show me viable proof that black people were taught to hate themselves via the Bible. Also you must show that it was the “Curse of Ham” that forced people to pass for White and not Jim Crow laws and racism.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        you never answered my question. which came first king james version of the bible OR jim Crowism

      • Of course it was King James Bible but how will you make your point that it was the so-called Curse of Ham and racism and Jim Crowism that led many blacks “who could” pass. Now that is a strawman. We know which came first. But is there proof that this is solely the reason?

        There is no Biblical indication that the Curse of Ham deals with race. It has been misinterpret in this way.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        here is your comment
        “Again this goes to my point about who is doing the teaching. It wasn’t the Bible but those teaching Biblical principles tainted with their own greed and racism.”

        and these people teaching this (it was black preachers too) tainted ideology is where that came from. you can even see how hard it was for florida evans in good time to get rid of that white jesus image when her son said jesus aint white.

        what year did the black jesus come into play? i dont think i was born yet. and was that b4 or after jim crow?

        my proof of what im saying is based off of what you said yourself, the people who gave us the religion gave it to us tainted. so if they tainted it for they own greed and racism do you not think it would effect black people during jim crow times?

      • Jesse Quist

        hmm I doubt the bible did such a thing. It can be said that the way the bible was taught to an uneducated people who couldn’t read for themselves did it but in the bible there is the clear idea that all men are created equal. All men are fallen and sinful and all men need redemption.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        i dont subscribe to that type of thinking. i do agree that people that proclaim christianity 9/10 dont even read the bible, they good with verses, christian rituals and superstition that was passed down generation to generation. but all men are created equal? where that at in the bible? all men are fallen and sinful and need redemption………….listen, if im not a christian which im not…………..never partaken in any christain rituals or been to any churches. but i move no different then a so call righteous christian then what is the difference?

      • Jesse Quist

        Hey Brooklyn, you can check verses such as Galatians 3:26-29 or in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

        And the last point you made is exactly what I was describing. Christianity is doesn’t promote self righteousness, when the bible is read correctly it’s understood that my sins are no different from yours. I am not a christian because I am some perfect creature, I am a Christian because I accepted the free gift of Salvation. On that basis, I would be very foolish to feel that I am better than you. That is what’s unique to true Christianity, no elitism. Just as Christ said, who ever feels is the greatest amongst you, let him serve.

        I only brought up these points because you said if you were God it would seem more noble to you if people did good for goodness sake and not to get into heaven. I am saying true Christianity doesn’t preach that. Also there are no rituals or superstitions, there are things we do as reminders to keep the faith but you aren’t bound by them.

        It is comforting though believing there is some justice after death, I’ve looked around me and came to the conclusion all this couldn’t be the result of mere chance…I’ve examine the evidence and it’s pretty clear that there must have been a designer, so on that level Christianity does present the comfort that after all this, I will be in a good place. That in justice or unfairness can only last 100 years but eternity of peace is worth it. Have you taken the time to examine nature and questioned it’s origins?

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        nope. never did.
        what is here is here. im not trying to recreate the wheel. what i take the time out to examine is the nature of my people in this day and time. the nature between black man and black women. the nature between black man and black son, black mother and black child, black mother and black daughter.

        i never sat back and wondered who made the water, ill take that as a gift. im more concerned with the ones thats destroying it

      • Jesse Quist

        Hmm the issues you mention are very important but I also believe if we fail to look at the “ultimate good” we do not have a yardstick by which to measure the issues that plague or society. I believe a yard stick is needed to correctly place some issues we see as trivial into perspective. Issues such as is premarital sex alright? we might pass this off as subjective without the yardstick but then look at the chaos being caused by boys unfit to be fathers.

        I do respect you examination of the hard issues within our communities and I applaud you for that.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        i dont see anything wrong with premarital sex nor do i blame the break down of the balck family to un wed mothers. thats just insanity cause HISTORICALLY SPEAKING these issues never destroyed the family before. actually what we see today is a NEW thing that we THINK is old. the break down of the black family is a democratic liberal thing (check out the movie trick baby for the convo between the liberals and the conservatives at the dinner table, go to forbezdvd and in the search type trick baby for the actual clip) when they convinced that black man and women to separate so she can move up out of the slum into the ghettos where she and her children can live in their brand new Projects. and what year did this happen? 70s, i was born 1980 we all know next come crack, the 90s was a raid on the black community where many men was removed from the house and the babies was giving to the state to raise. NOW we seeing the effects of that. i dont blame that on unwed mothers or premarital sex cause if these devils wasnt plotting on us or we countered they attacks then none of that would mean nothing.
        in fact we prolly would be having MORE babies to be raised as warriors for the cause instead of nowadays where we kill our babies cause we cant “afford” it

      • Jesse Quist

        Alright, but you never addressed the issue I presented. I said babies being formed by boys who aren’t fit to be fathers. That is a different scenario from the issues you presented. I would watch the clip.

        The next question that comes up, is it right for us to kill our babies because we can’t afford it?

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        my bad.
        the boys who are not fit to be fathers are a creation of what happen in the 70s. so what im saying is this, im 33 and have a son that’s a year and a half. i didnt grow up with a father (like i said im a product of 1980s brooklyn) and there was no way in hell i was ready to be a father in my teens or 20s. but again, i had no male role models and literally come from a house of women (meaning the only men in our family was born in our family all other men left) so my idea of being a man was fighting, screwing as many women as possible and hustling on the block.

        fast forward now………….
        im 33, got a son, and im way maturer then when i was young. but it was my experience that grew me up, and my experience is what i will pass to my son who will be mature earlier then me because he have a father (this is my opinion of course cause my son is still young) who can mold him into a man.

        this is a new circumstance we are in because there was a time that black men in there 20s was more mature then now. i mean hell i see 40 year olds who still act and dress like little boys. so what im saying is these grown boys having babies by these grown little girls are products of us assimilating into society. i dont think just because a young boy have a baby that means the destruction of a family, but we are in a circumstance now that we dont have an economy to employ that young brother to feed his family which is why now a young boy having a child is looked down on, but if we check the ages of our so called leaders or so called figure heads or black men that we deem men………..alot of them had babies young.
        2nd question
        no it is NOT right to kill your babies because you “cant” afford it. if thats the case joe jackson should have been getting abortions lol
        now im not a christian or subscribe to religion, but i have read king james version of the bible and if we base it off of that………….i will say this
        if God said be fruitful and multiply then the devil must say birth control.

      • Jesse Quist

        by the way, the last question I asked is not to be condescending, I am really interested to know.

      • Nicholas Simon

        I am very proud to be black. But dont sit there and act like you had something to do with it. You were dealt cards you played them thats it. I love being black only because that is who I am. My point is there are certain elements of ourselves we do not choose. Being gay is a card that someone is dealt that person needs to deal with it and accept it.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        if you had a choice to change your race and your sexual preference would you?

      • Nicholas Simon

        No I wouldnt. BUT If asked that question before the creator made me before I had affiliation with a race, class, orientation of any kind when I was just a piece of energy waiting for my turn. I really cant say what I would have chosen.

        Being black and proud means you must first be black.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        so you believe that we are energy waiting on our turn? if thats the case then why their dont be cases of 2 black people having a asian or something like that…………….u know what dont answer it.

        i do agree with the last line
        you gotta be black first to be proud to be black…………..but then why is there so many that aint.

      • Nicholas Simon

        I am not speaking about beliefs. I am speaking figuratively. We do not have any conscious control of our thoughts or decisions before we are born. Those decisions are made for us by ‘god’ knows what. But at that point you also have no allegiance to anything.

        So at that point IF we had conscious choice would someone choose to live in Western Africa as a black person? Or in Hawaii as a white person? Do you choose parents that are hindu and strict and religious or hippie parents that are a mixed couple and free living?

        All this to say we dont have that choice. Just as gays dont have that choice. but if we did hmmm who knows…
        Thats why I believe gay people are actually gay and not bored or confused or whatever. No one chooses to struggle, to be persecuted, discriminated on and ridiculed.

        People who are not proud to be black are just like a gay person not “coming out” they are not comfortable with themselves. They have not accepted himorherself for who they are. Because love it or hate it if youre black, youre black and comparatively if youre gay, then youre gay.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        i can get that. i aint gay so i choose not to get all deep into the discussion of that that i see on here. anything i will say will soley be my opinion with no proof, facts or experience to back what im saying, so i stay out of that. but i dont agree with the comparing black and gay. if we are comparing struggles then compare gay and jew………..but i never see that. but it is offensive as a black person for anyone to compare they plight to black people plight, simply cause we still fighting our fight while other groups (not just gays trust me) use our fight to prop themselves up then they get established and guess who still in the trenches fight? our black asses

      • Nicholas Simon

        I see the two connected because it is a humans rights issue. Blacks oppressed since eyes could decipher colour but gays been oppressed since they first showed their true colours.

        Both are unfairly judged. Our fight for equality and black rights has overcome major obstacles. There is still a lot of work to do but at least there has been great gains. I am one who reminds people that is was not long ago that Jim Crow and all the madness of the 50s and 60s took place. This new world order is new. We need to wear it for a while, get the right fit. Our kids kids will be better, we hope.

        But gays are at that point where they need the same liberation. They need to say enough is enough. We want to marry, love openly be proud, not be prosecuted. We want the basic human respect given to everyone too! And they should get it. Just as we did. and continue to fight for.

        So you are free to stay out of it obviously. For me it is hard seeing oppressed people and not commenting and standing up for them.

      • Brooklyn Stoop

        thats not true. gays been around forever. rustin baynard (might have the last name wrong) was part of the civil rights movement, openly gay and was screwing men openly. the FBI wrote a letter to king saying that if he didnt kick rustin out of the group then they would lie and say MLK and rustin bayard had a thing going on. and im from NY and 42nd street was full of trannies since i could remember. if you watch the last dragon, when bruce leroy was eating popcorn and he and sho’nuff 1st met there is a cross dresser in the movie theater.

        when gays started getting attacked and all that was when AIDS hit the scene. prior to that your going to have to show and prove with dates of this mass hatred of gays

      • Nicholas Simon

        The history of the world my friend.

        Wikipedia -> An early law against sexual intercourse between men is recorded in Leviticus by the Hebrew people, prescribing the death penalty.

        Wikipedia -> During the Middle Ages, the Kingdom of France and the City of Florence also instated the death penalty. In Florence, a young boy named Giovanni di Giovanni (1350–1365?) was castrated and burned between the thighs with a red-hot iron by court order under this law.

        Wikipedia -> March 1970 – Howard Efland, a gay man who had checked into the Dover Hotel under the pseudonym of J. McCann, was beaten to death by officers of the Los Angeles Police Department.[7]

        The first English law against homosexuality was the Buggery Act 1533, which made homosexuality punishable by death; typically hanging. It was established during the reign of Henry VIII, and was the first civil legislation applicable against sodomy in the country

        There is literally hundreds of laws and examples of hate against gays. Since the beginning of time.

      • Craig

        people being not proud to be black, has to do more with money believe it or not, and the gay agenda targeting kids has to do with money as well, even civil rights is about money, cause as I SEE IT GAY PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS EVERYBODY ELSE, THEY ARE JUST MAD AT THEIR RELIGION AND FAMILY REJECTING THEM so they come for the world, I agree they should be treated with respect, but since they dont wanna call it a mental illness in kids an try to normalized unormal behavior an push it to black people WE GOT A PROBLEM..

  • Marvin James

    Lets sit at the round table and be reasonable; Bizzle didn’t say he hates gay people! As an ambassador, the common rule is to never give your personal opinion of any topic that concerns the party that you are representing. Bizzle is an ambassador of Christ, which means he can only state the position that his constitution has (The Bible). So its not a matter of disliking the ambassador But disliking the constitution that Bizzle embodies. It would make things a lot clearer if we could just say, “Homosexuality is a sin in the Bible, just like stealing, lying, murder, pride and adultery”. You don’t disagree with the ambassador, rather you disagree with God. FLATOUT

    • Realist4200

      God? If there is a god, why not just live your life and see how you’re judged in the end? Do you think kissing god’s ass is noble? If I were god, I’d be more impressed with individual people who did the right things because they wanted to – without expectation of reward (heaven) – Not by religious people who try hard to impress, or do what they THINK god wants in search of a reward. Think about it.

      Bottom line: Stop thinking about god and start thinking about yourself, and the people you share this planet with. All this god and heaven stuff might be a huge waste of time, time that could have been spent doing something meaningful. In the end, if god is real, I like to think it would understand.

      • Jesse Quist

        Hey Realist, great points but just a simple correction. The Christian God does not take people to heaven for doing “good.” In Christianity you are saved because you believe that we all fall short of heaven and so you accept the free gift of grace from God which is salvation.

        In Christianity, you do good because God has given you a free gift, you don’t do it to somehow sneak your way through the gate.

    • Hmm. The problem with this song is that as an Ambassador of Christ you at least have to resemble Jesus Christ. If he was stating his position based on the Bible then his song would have never been made. There is nothing biblical about this song. This song was strictly his negative views of gay people especially gay men.

      • sophia

        So are you a gay christian?

      • You are an idiot go some where else with your foul mouth and ignorance.

      • sophia

        It was just a question. Are you a gay christian?

      • I am not gay. I am a straight LGBT ally who is tired of black Christians being portrayed as gay bashers!!!

      • sophia

        So you are a christian that affirms homosexuality?

      • I affirm that people who are LGBT should be treated with love decency and respect. I support LGBT rights. The right to marry, the right raise their families, the right to not be fired because of their sexual orientation, etc…

      • chasebarteaux

        rev. palmer, it’s people like you who are keeping the church alive. thank you for speaking truth to power.

      • sophia

        I don’t see the point in reading things into the Bible thats not there. Just don’t believe it and live your life.

      • sophia

        So you are not a christian. You don’t believe in Matthew 19 1-9?

      • It is hard to make your points when you are littering the blogosphere with so much garbage.

      • sophia

        ahh so bottom line is LGBT rights is your god.

      • Hmm, the principles of Christianity should cause us all to advocate for the rights of the oppressed.

      • sophia

        What are these so called principles?

      • Is that any way to talk to the lady? All she did was ask you a simple question….

      • That is not all she did Doug. Instead of following me around like this you probably should read Sophia’s? posts.

  • Me

    Lemme just break it down for you one time…

    “You would compare your sexual habits to my skin”
    Being is gay is much more than just a sexual “habit” like being straight is much more than just a sexual “habit”. No one is comparing being gay to being black, what IS being compared are the similarities between both our people’s struggles to get out from under the perception of being a second class citizen. If you cannot see the similarities, then you are being willfully ignorant.

    “Calling it ‘the new black?’ Tell me, where they do that?”
    I’ve never heard anyone calling gay “the new black”…can YOU tell me “where they do that?”?

    “They hung us like tree ornaments, where were you at?”
    Not born yet. Were you? We have ALL read that ugly part of American history and the majority of us agree that it was disgusting, evil, and wrong. And thank the gods the majority felt this way and were able to stop it. What you’re coming off as saying is that because you are black, these atrocities mean more than the atrocities that the LGBT community have also dealt with for millennia.

    “They burned us for entertainment, you go through that?”
    Yes, yes we did. A little thing called the holocaust. Might want to brush up on your history, Biz. There are countless other instances of gays being beaten and killed for “entertainment”. It’s still going on in many parts of this country and the world.

    • Realist4200

      Very good points. Thanks for your clear mind – Speaking some sense might help some of these hateful folks form an educated stance on the subject. Keep it up.

    • Nicholas Simon

      Im comparing being gay to be black. To me they are very similar as none of us chose to be either. I did not chose to be black. I am proud of it and I love my heritage but there was no option. Just as there is no option to be straight or gay.

      It is not like being gay is fun and easy and everyone wants to do it because you get bonuses in life like not paying your taxes. Being gay in this world of hate is hard. Society is mean. Why would that little boy that feels like he is doing something wrong for the way he feels WANT that? TRUST me he doesnt.

      I am sure every gay person had at one time wished they didnt have to deal with it and could just be straight. Just like there were times in my life I wish I was white and didnt have to deal with the bullshit . Then we mature we “come out” and are ok with who we are.

      The main reason I walked away from the church is the issue on gay hate. I am not gay and I honestly could care less about it at all but I have to weigh in and be involved in the discussion because any group prosecuted for something they cant control needs to been given support by rational human beings. Not bible waving drones that follow the word of a book written 10,000 years ago that has definite bias built right into it.

      Fighting against gays is fighting against humanity. You will lose. LGBT people are people and they get to accept themselves just like you and I do. Whether you like it or not.

      • Me

        We need more people like you in this world. Straight, but not narrow.

      • Nicholas Simon

        thanks Lance. We will win.

        One day asking someone if they are gay or straight will be as irrelevant as what peanut butter they prefer. Who cares? None of my business, nothing to do with me. Im more concerned if you are a good person.

        love to stop talking about this. but we cant until people realize how ridiculous they are being. One day.

    • Guest

      “Cant disagree w/o calling it a hate thing” i think sums up the song…

      Christians try, albeit imperfectly to let the bible determine what is acceptable behavior for humanity. if there is a God he has the right to tell us how to navigate sexuality and all matters. so when i say i believe in a biblical view of marriage between a man and a woman, i am labeled as a “hater or homophobic”… thats not right.

      i have heard tons of arguments comparing gay rights to the civil rights movement…
      “”They hung us like tree ornaments, where were you at?”
      Not born yet. Were you? We have ALL read that ugly part of American history and the majority of us agree that it was disgusting, evil, and wrong.””

      Absolutely… and it is true that homosexuals have faced violence due to there sexual orientation, but i dont believe it was RIGHT or has ever been socially acceptable to do so. i have seen pictures of communities posing next to a hanging black people smiling… blacks were lynched and assaulted w/o mercy and no one sought to capture the perpetrators … that’s the massive difference between the gay vs black struggle… if you are fearful and gay, don’t hold hands with your lover… if ur fearful and black, hope for the best cuz u cant hide that “you can play straight… we cant play white”
      i cant recall a time when there was straight and gay water fountains, buses, schools etc. i remember reading about mothers who flipped over a bus full of black children cuz they didnt want to integrate, they were not charged with a crime… how bout the police sending dogs on peaceful protesters and blasting them with fire hoses…

      I am not homophobic, i am pro-truth and the word of God is the truth… if God says homosexuality is not right, then by default i have to agree w/ Him… i trust that he knows whats best for humanity

      • Me

        I love how Christians will state “I’m not homophobic… but…”

        I have seen lines of gay men heading to the showers to be “deloused” in Nazi Germany and Poland. I have seen videos of gay Russian youth being beaten, tortured, and left for dead. I have read words spray painted on MY locker “Go home fag”. I have felt the blows of fists against MY head when I walked out of an LGBT youth center at the age of 17. I know what it felt like to wake up in a hospital room after being kicked in the stomach, chest, and head just for being different. Don’t you ever tell me that just because YOU’VE never seen “pictures” that it doesn’t exist. Have you sought out pictures of the abuse gay men and women have suffered? No, you more than likely have not.

        “you can play straight… we cant play white”
        No, not every LGBT person could pull off “playing straight” and why the hell would we?
        “I’m not homophobic…but…”
        YOUR truth may be your god, MY truth may be something completely different. What makes you think YOUR truth trumps MINE?

      • Eternalmindset

        sorry for your hardships bro.. that truly sucks! I never said violence toward LGBT doesnt/didnt exist… said it was different from the violence blacks experienced because assaulting blacks was socially acceptable, do to our so-called inferiority…. the world went to war with the Nazi’s cuz what they did was clearly wrong…

        or was it????

        “”MY truth may be something completely different. What makes you think YOUR truth trumps MINE”‘

        my truth is not greater than your truth, but yours is not greater than mine… but what about the Nazi’s truth, they felt it was ok to do what they were doing… is America’s truth better? the fact is IF there is no god, there are no rules… if there is a God he gets to set the standard for what is true because His truth is greater than ALL! thus killing, Jews, Gays, Blacks, etc, is wrong cuz God said so. that same God established what marriage should look like and it is a man and a woman…

        i have nothing against the LGBT community but i am not gonna let them define me as a homophobic cuz i live by a greater authority than mans! i never said
        “I’m not homophobic…but..” no buts about homie

      • Me

        “said it was different from the violence blacks experienced because assaulting blacks was socially acceptable”
        Really? So it’s never been socially acceptable to assault gay people? Are you sure you want to go down that road? Beating/killing gays is still very much social acceptable in parts of the world. In Nigeria, for instance, it is now law that gay people will be imprisoned or put to death…just for being gay.
        I wouldn’t expect a straight person to know much of gay history, but if you have a moment sometime, maybe you should educate yourself. Start with Stonewall. I honestly do not think you are homophobic nor have I ever said you were.

        You obviously think your truth is better than mine. You’ve commented several times indicating that you think that way. You believe in a god, therefore you believe that it is the only truth anyone should believe and live by. I couldn’t care less who believes what, but you cannot use religion as a way to discriminate where the law is concerned.
        Societies set their own rules. This is why different regions, countries, states, etc have their own separate rules and laws, not because a god exists, but because people are inherently logical (or should be…congress…).

      • Eternalmindset

        you keep saying your truth my truth… is there a such thing as objective truth? i believe it is found in the Bible…God is the only one qualified to set the standard for truth or right and wrong because…………………God>man….
        people are inherently sinful, that’s why there has never been a Utopian society since man has been on earth

        you believe truth is based on what a society says…
        “Societies set their own rules.”

        German Nazi society- persecute Jews and gays and all other non Germans…

        European and American society- Slavery was acceptable based on race?
        In parts Papua New Guinea cannibalism is accepted to ward off evil spirits.

  • Me

    “You were never oppressed. The devil was a liar” We weren’t? Really? So those thousands of gays persecuted, thrown in prison, beaten, and killed weren’t oppressed? I’m sure they’d be glad to know this.

    “The only thing oppressed was your sexual desire / Keeping your desires oppressed is so lame to you / But when you get married that’s what you expect your mate to do” – Again, being gay is NOT JUST ABOUT SEX. Is being straight just about sex???

    “It angers you if I compare you to a pedophile / Because he’s sick, right, and you’re better, how?” No, what angers us when you compare us to pedophiles is that child predators are PREDATORS that prey on helpless VICTIMS. How is two people in love even closely related to a person that takes sexual advantage of a child that can not provide consent?

  • Me

    Thank you for your opinion.

  • Me

    wow… just wow. This would be laughable if I knew you weren’t seriously that ignorant. Thanks again for your opinion Sophia. I’m glad you think enough of me to troll my comments.

    • chasebarteaux

      i’m flagging her comments. she’s done for.

      • Me

        So am I. I don’t mind differing opinions, but come on… really?

      • sophia

        Ahh yes gays must silence reason.

      • Me

        If you had any “reason” I’d be more than happy to discuss it with you, but you attack, seemingly out of hatred and ignorance. Show me where in your comments you gave any “reason”.

  • chasebarteaux

    sophia, you just destroyed whatever trace amount of credibility that was left dangling by a thread. there are black people on tv and in politics, women on tv and in politics, jews on tv and in politics. guess what? doesn’t mean the chips aren’t stacked against them.

  • Guest

    flagged again.

    • sophia

      An I flagged you so

      • Me

        Good luck with that. 🙂 Have a great day!

  • No. Let me guess you got this from FRC or some other Religious Right organization.

    • sophia

      No more Jesus or Biblical quotes from you as you don’t even believe the book you claim to represent.

      • You didn’t answer my question.

      • Me

        Please don’t feed the troll.

      • Trolls need to eat. LOL

      • Me

        LOL Touche!

      • sophia

        I see you changed the black man in your picture. Too ashamed to show you are black and support homosexuality or are you really white posing.

      • sophia

        All I see is ad hominem attacks with no substance. I challenge you and you down vote. You are intellectually bankrupt on this subject.

      • sophia

        Dr. Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:

        “Absolutely not. From twin studies we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors, not negate the psychosocial factors.”

      • Again where is the source of this. Probably the AFA. I guarantee this is used out of context.

      • sophia

        Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a “gay gene”:

        “Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don’t think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay.”

      • chasebarteaux

        Sophia, “genes” are not the only thing that have biological bearing over us. No one is saying homosexuality is strictly genetic. Brain structure has a ton to do with it. But you keep posting articles that aren’t even getting at what anyone on here has stated.

      • sophia

        Homosexuality is ‘not normal’. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single, relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.

      • chasebarteaux

        Homosexuality is entirely normal and in nature. Homosexuality has existed in humans and other animals since they existed. If “procreation” is the basis for relationship, by your own very definition straight people who are sterile are evil. Just because you think the idea is ridiculous doesn’t mean it’s untrue. I think angels and talking donkeys are pretty ridiculous but you seem to believe in them. I’ve seen more gays than either one of those, so let’s talk about “normal.”

      • sophia

        There are no GAY ANIMALS! (“Dr. Bruce Bagemihl, who notes recorded instances of homosexual behaviour in over 1500 species, 300 of which are extensively documented.”)
        Well this comment is also from his book…. page 2
        “Any account of homosexuality and transgender animals is also necessarily an account of human interpretations of these phenomena….We are in the dark about the internal experience of the animal participants: ….. ”

        So we can’t read human motives in animals. Not sure why gays want to be compared with animals with no self determination but, lions eat their babies. ….Honey I have a taste for baby tonight. Fire up the grill.

      • chasebarteaux

        Wrong. There has been homosexuality recorded in numerous animals, including animals who mate for life. Male on male and female on female is not hard to interpret.

        Not sure why humans want to be compared to animals? I doubt animals would enjoy being compared to humans. Animals have never had Holocausts, Inquisitions, Crusades, witch burnings, wars, etc.

      • Me

        “Holocausts, Inquisitions, Crusades, witch burnings, wars” 98% of which can be attributed to religion… hmm… 🙂

      • sophia

        Among all the liberal belief systems, the homosexual ideology is the most self-centered or selfish – unlike the vast charity performed by churches, homosexual charity can be considered an oxymoron.

        HRC and GLAAD are multi million dollar organizations. Name one hospital they have built?

  • chasebarteaux

    To widespread condemnation from his peers in the field. You’re holding up a black sheep who’s since been brainwashed by the church as if he’s revered in the field and as if his word outweighs the nine most eminent medical, psychological and psychiatric organizations in the U.S. that have made outward statements about attempts at conversion being not only unethical but also impossible and psychologically traumatic.

    • sophia

      Sure lol. Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay?

      • chasebarteaux

        It’s called the social desirability bias. That is, people try to change themselves so that they fit in and don’t fall victim to hate. Kind of like black celebrities try to lighten their skin nowadays to fit beauty norms, or how black people prior to the Civil Rights area exploited light skin try to sneak under the racism radar.

      • sophia

        Remember that homosexuality IS NOT GENETIC. Homosexuality is a sexual behavior. It cannot be compared to race or ethnicity. People who engage in same-sex behavior are accorded the same rights as every other citizen. Special rights should not be given to individuals because of their sexual behavior. Homosexuality is not a genetically encoded condition – like height or skin color.

      • chasebarteaux

        Homosexuality is an orientation, not a behavior. If it were a behavior, my virgin gay friend wouldn’t have been brutally attacked for being gay because he’s never acted on it. People have told you time and again in here that no one’s argued it’s genetic, but just because it’s not genetic doesn’t mean it’s not biological. Take a science 101 class.

      • sophia

        Its not biological or genetic. Homosexuality is due to environment.

      • Susan

        Lmao, says you, but not the eminent medical, psychological and psychiatric organizations in the U.S. You’re demanding definitive scientific proof in order to believe something? Please, then, offer me definitive scientific proof that everything in the bible is true and that the God you tout exists. If I have to play by these rules, you do, too.

      • sophia

        The American Psychiatric Association:

        “no replicated scientific studies showing any specific biological etiology for homosexuality.”

        NO we are not talking about the BIBLE. I need a peer reviewed study saying homosexuality is in any way biological and its PROVEN!

        If not then homosexuality is a choice and some environmental and psychological factors that may play a causal role in the development of homosexuality include: (1) cross-gender effiminate behavior in childhood. (2) gender-identity deficits (3) hostile, dteached or absent fathers (which leads to “defensive detachment” from the father and other males) and (4) overly close, controlling or dominating mothers.

      • Susan

        I demand scientific proof that the bible is completely accurate and that god exists. Angels, talking donkeys, water to wine– it sounds like any other ancient mythology to me, no different than the Greeks who believed in flying horses or the Norse people who believed in a thunder god.

        If scientific proof is what you demand before you believe anything, you need to show you have scientific proof undergirding your belief in the bible (otherwise you’re a hypocrite, like the kind Jesus talked about).

      • sophia

        I want the same regarding the creation of the universe down to every detail.

        I need to know why science has not discovered another planet.

        Why did science let an inch of snow shut down a major city on earth.

        Most scientists are believers because they know how futile their efforts are.

  • chasebarteaux

    Lmao… You have offered neither logic nor science. You have offered quotes from decontextualized, suspect sources. You use the Bible similarly. You want to talk about scapegoating? Women, black people, LGBT people, native Americans, Jews, Muslims and various other “others” have been scapegoated by Christians in our nation’s history. You’re getting your own religion wrong. Christianity is about loving the “other,” not brutalizing them. You’re just a bully shrouding yourself in religion because you think it’s a justification to exercise all your hate and anger (which you seem to have a lot of) on minorities. Guess what? It’s the emperor’s clothes. You’re utterly transparent.

    • sophia

      Wait but God told the jews to kill all the canaanites women, children too. You got the picture of God all wrong.

    • theophilus166

      It’s incredible that you have the courage to tell Christians that what they’re doing is wrong. Isn’t that what you’re saying they shouldn’t be doing?

      • Susan

        Alleged Christians are directly interfering in the lives of LGBT people. The right to oppress groups you dislike is not a religious freedom. Your freedoms end where others’ begin. Do you agree with Judaism? Does a Jew going to synagogue take away your religious freedom? No. In the same way, gay people you don’t even know aren’t attacking your marriage by getting married. But you are attacking them by denying them that right based on YOUR antiquated beliefs.

        If you don’t like gay marriage, don’t marry a gay person.

      • Nicholas Simon

        HERE HERE. If you dont like what is on dont protest. Change the channel.

    • Katya

      “You’re getting your own religion wrong. Christianity is about loving the “other,” not brutalizing them”
      – Interesting post. I’ve not read all of Sophia’s comments so I don’t know her opinion on the Bible, but I also wanted to point out, in regards to what I’ve quoted of your post, that Christianity is also about giving the good news of the Gospel to the “other” in hopes that they’ll see why it is, indeed, such good news.

      And about knowing the difference between good and evil, and not compromising the former for the latter. Jesus tells his intention more than once in the Bible – “Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division” – indeed, loving the “other” may mean not brutalizing them, but it definitely doesn’t mean agreeing with them, I’ve found.

  • So you got this from NARTH which is the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. They are not a legit group. Full misinformation and lies.

    • Realist4200

      Thank you, Reverend.

    • sophia

      The apa is also not a legit group any more as the American Psychiatric Association, or APA, had classified pedophilia as a sexual orientation.

  • I wonder what he thinks about slavery being OKAY in the Bible.

    • Eternalmindset

      hit him on twitter and ask… i bet he will respond

    • sophia

      Ask MLK about slavery in the Bible. Is MLK and all that he and other black leaders did to get us equal right BENEATH YOU NOW because they believed in Christianity.

      Who are our black leaders today?

      Why are 70% of black children born into single family homes?

      Who is looking for justice for our black men in the legal system when black men get 5 years for possession. LOL not Obama or Holder. Those house niggas are worried about WHITE GAY RIGHTS.

      You have no concern about the strength of the black community so please go back to your hole and continue being brainwashed by the white distributed music you call rap and hip hop.

      • Susan

        Continue being brainwashed by your antiquated bigoted church. Religion is the opiate of the masses after all.

      • sophia

        lol you defend your god hova lol hold up the sign

      • drac215

        well spoken, God bless you

    • Katya

      Lol he’d probably tell you to read the book yourself instead of listening to anti-Bible resources.

  • Allen

    So i guess we are suppose to ignore the fact that gays were burned with the witches gays were killed in holocaust and i guess we are also suppose to forget that KKK hates Jews, Blacks, and “homosexual”s. I guess gays are suppose to forget all the discriminatory laws still on the books in several state right now and forget the gay bashing and killings of gays in this country and around the world. It bothers me that the black religious community is so clueless to the world around them.

  • Michelle RJ

    I give him credit for the last two lines, though, even if I personally see some similarities between civil rights movements. But I just hear the same arguments in that line that I hear everywhere else, and I would have similar arguments that I use against most homophobic religious folks. You know?

    The Bible mentions nothing about monogamous gay relationships, just gay prostitutes and gay adultery. Also, here’s the thing about sex. You were only considered ritually clean to go to the tabernacle if you followed all the rules in Leviticus, like dressing in the right kind of cloth and not eating shellfish and not having ANY sexual contact but heterosexual intercourse for the purpose of recreation.

    Under Leviticus, under the tabernacle laws, everything but unprotected babymaking is ritually unclean. That includes BJs, masturbating, scissoring, what have you. That puts it in some context.

    • Gary Exelby

      “I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law.” — Jesus, Matthew 5:17

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  • Carrie1912

    Everything that is happening today, the bashing of long held Christian beliefs, the reviling of the name of Jesus Christ,uncivilized behavior, moral decency in steep decline, no right or wrong, every degenerate act ok because “hey, I was just born that way,” is all Bible prophecy and there is nothing we can do to stop it. The faithful need to stay strong in their faith and beliefs, sit back and watch it happen. It’s going to get much, much worse before it gets better.

  • Katya

    This song flew right over so many people’s heads, lol. Comments about state laws aside, supposed “problems with the Bible” or the obvious fact that homosexuals are
    and always will undoubtedly be affected by pretty much every atrocity in general (because sexual orientation has no restriction such as race, etc), it’s worrisome that so many people, without a shred of evidence, make such disparaging statements about people who disagree with homosexuality.

    It also bothers me to see how many homosexuals in the US have been proven to have committed acts of hate against themselves in an effort to get people talking about all things LGBTQIA. And that people still, to this day, don’t admit that being homosexual isn’t the same as being a particular race. :/ Good on Bizzle for pointing that out. It needed to be said.

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  • Television88

    Discrimination is discrimination. Bigotry is bigotry. As someone who grew up in a Christian environment that saw Blacks as less than Whites, I made a conscious effort to enlighten myself to understand that ALL men are created equal.
    Now religious Blacks are preaching differently. I was born gay just as a Black is born Black. If you REFUSE to accept that, then YOU do so because that can be your crutch for bigotry.
    Gay equality will soon be here on a 24/7 basis. People, like this speaker/singer will be the SAME as the Strom Thurmond’s and others that couldn’t let go of their bigotry.

    • Katya

      I respectfully disagree. Blacks aren’t preaching that all men aren’t created equal. They’re saying what the pro-LGBT are going through is, in no way, the same as what Black people went through – that it’s insulting to compare to two (which it is). Being a homosexual may be something someone’s born with – that’s still debatable, though many say homosexuality is a spirit, which is another story – but without a doubt, it is something one can choose to act on. I know that from personal experience. I can NOT, however, choose whether or not to act upon my skin color. They are not the same thing. Those who can’t see and accept that do so because THAT is THEIR crutch for bigotry against those who disagree with their LGBT lifestyle.

      The environment you grew up in wasn’t paying very much attention to what’s actually in the Bible, it seems (Galatians 3:26-29). But people like Bizzle are. Discrimination may be discrimination but sin is also sin. And Jesus makes it clear that He came not to bring peace but to divide (Matthew 10:34-39) by Gospel and law – those who abide by it and those who do not.

      LGBTQ-equality will soon be here, yes. We’re told that in Romans 1:26-32. The fact that the Bible says it will happen means we’re not to fight against it (especially not violently). Jesus says “see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass” – He tells us the future and how to react. If people use their God-given free will to choose homosexual lifestyles and choose to vote and make pro-LGBT law that’s fine. Christians should have no problem with that (as it’s fulfillment of prophecy). But we are told to, while at the same time loving our neighbors as ourselves (Matthew 22:37-39, Romans 13:8-10), separate ourselves and make sure we’re not unequally yoked with unbelievers (2 Cor 6:14-18) or self-labeled Christians who live sinful lifestyles (1 Cor 5:11-13). Regardless of our surroundings, we’re not to condone sin.

      That’s not bigotry, that’s following the Bible we believe in. Your believing it’s bigotry is, in turn, your fulfilling your part in the Bible and simply being affected by the Word as it says you would be (Hebrews 4:12).

      Just curious though, did you listen to Bizzle’s song?

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