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Kevin Powell: The Sean Bell Tragedy
Published Saturday, April 26, 2008 4:19 PM
By Kevin Powell
April 25, 2008

I am sick to my stomach and I really do not know what to say right this second. My cell and office phones have been blowing up all day, and people have been emailing me nonstop, to let me know that Detectives Michael Oliver, Gescard Isnora, and Marc Cooper, the three New York City police officers accused of shooting 50 times and murdering Sean Bell, were found not guilty on all counts: Oliver, who fired 31 times and reloaded once, and Isnora, who fired 11 times, had been charged with manslaughter, felony assault and reckless endangerment. They faced up to 25 years in prison if convicted on all charges. Cooper, who fired four times, faced up to a year in jail if convicted of reckless endangerment.

And that’s it: Sean Bell, a mere 23 years of age, out partying the morning before the wedding to the mother of his two small children, dead, gone, forever. Sean Bell and his two friends, Trent Benefield and Joseph Guzman, all unarmed, ambushed by New York’s finest. His last day, November 25, 2006, is marked as another tragic one in New York City history. How many more? I once heard in a protest song. How many more?

But I knew this verdict was coming. I have lived in New York City for nearly two decades and, before that, worked as a news reporter for several publications throughout the city’s five boroughs, and I cannot begin to tell you how many cases of police brutality and police misconduct I covered or witnessed, more often than not a person of color on the receiving end: Eleanor Bumpurs. Michael Stewart…Amadou Diallo…Sean Bell.

This is not to suggest that all police officers are trigger-happy and inhumane, because I do not believe that. They have a difficult and important job, and many of them do that job well, and maintain outstanding relationships with our communities. I know officers like that. But what I am saying is that New York, America, this society as a whole, still views the lives of Black people, of Latino people, of people of color, of women, of poor or working-class people, as less than valuable. It does not matter that two of the three officers charged in the Sean Bell case were officers of color and one White. What matters is the mindset of racism that permeates the New York Police Department, and far too many police departments across America. Shooting in self-defense is one thing, but it is never okay to shoot first and ask questions later, not even if a police officer “feels” threatened, not even if the source of that “feeling” is a Black or Latino person.

That is a twisted logic deeply rooted in the America social fabric, dating back to the founding fathers and their crazy calculations about slaves being three-fifths of a human being. And in spite of Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods, and other successful Black individuals, by and large the masses of Black people, and Latino people, are perpetually viewed through this lens of not being quite human. William Kristol of the New York Times wrote what I felt was an incredibly ignorant and myopic March 24th column implying, strongly, that we should not have conversations about race in America, that such talk was dated. This piece was in response to Barack Obama’s now famous meditation on race. But Kristol, like many in denial, had this to say: “The last thing we need now is a heated national conversation about race… Racial progress has in fact continued in America. A new national conversation about race isn’t necessary to end what Obama calls the ‘racial stalemate we’ve been stuck in for years’— because we’re not stuck in such a stalemate... This is all for the best. With respect to having a national conversation on race, my recommendation is: Let’s not, and say we did.” Well, Mr. Kristol, what, precisely, do you think Black New Yorkers are feeling this very moment as we absorb the Sean Bell verdict? Or do our thoughts, our feelings, our wounds, not matter?

“Black male lives are meaningless in America,” a female friend just texted me, and what can I say to that? Who’s going to help Nicole Paultre Bell, Sean Bell’s grieving fiancé, explain to their two young daughters that the men who killed their daddy are not going to be punished?

I remember that November 2006 day so vividly, when word spread of the Sean Bell killing. And I remember the hastily assembled meetings by New York City’s de facto Black leadership—the ministers, the elected officials, the grassroots activists—at Local 1199 in midtown Manhattan where it was stated, with great earnestness and finality, that after all these years, we were going to put together a comprehensive response to police brutality and misconduct. There were to be three levels of response: governmentally (local, state, and federal bills were going to be proposed, and task forces recommended); systemically within the police department (comprehensive proposals were called for to challenge police practices or to enforce ones already in place); and via the United States Justice Department, since any form of police brutality or misconduct is a violation of basic American civil rights. We met for a few months after the Sean Bell murder, divided into committees, then the entire thing died—again. There was a lot of research done, many hearings that were transcribed, much talk of a united front, then nothing, not even an email to say the plan was no longer being planned.

Anyhow, in the interim I spent a great deal of time, more time than I’ve spent in my entire New York life, in Queens, mainly in Jamaica, Queens, getting to know Sean Bell’s family. I was particularly struck by Sean Bell’s mother, Valerie Bell, and his father, William Bell. Two very decent and well-intentioned working-class New Yorkers, who had raised their children the best they could, who were now, suddenly, activists thrust into a spotlight they had never sought. The parents are what we the Black community calls “God-fearing, church-going folk.” Indeed, what was so incredible was how much Mr. and Mrs. Bell believed in and referenced God. But that is our sojourn in America: when everything else fails us, we still have the Lord. And there they were, holding a 50-day vigil directly across from the 103rd precinct, on 168th Street, right off Jamaica Avenue and 91st Avenuein Jamaica, Queens, in the dead-cold winter air. They and their family members and close friends taking turns monitoring the makeshift altar of candles, cards, and photos. And I remember how we had to shame local leaders a few times into supporting Mr. and Mrs. Bell with donations of money, food, or other material needs. While much of the media and support flocked to Nicole Paultre Bell, Sean Bell’s fiancé, and the sexiness of her being represented by the Reverend Al Sharpton and his lawyer pals Sanford Rubenstein and Michael Hardy, the media did not pay much attention to Sean Bell’s parents and their kinfolk at all.

What was especially striking was the fact that Mrs. Bell got up every single morning, made her way to the vigil area, then to work in a local hospital all day, then to her church every single evening. She reminded me so much of my own mother, of any Black mother in America who has had to be the backbone of the family, often sacrificing her own health, her own wants and needs, her own hurt and pain, to be there for others in their time of need.

Mrs. Bell always told me that she truly believed justice would be done in this case. She really did. I never had the heart to tell her that it is rare for a police officer to be found guilty of murdering a civilian, no matter how glaring the evidence. Nor did I have the heart to tell Mrs. Bell that the media and the defense would seek to destroy her son’s image and reputation, that Sean Bell would be reduced to a thug, as an unsavory character, to somehow justify the police shooting. Nor did I have the heart to tell Mrs. Bell that this pain of losing her son would be with her the remainder of her life. I did not share my suspicion that the parade of Black leaders, Black protests, media hype—all of it—was all part of someone’s carefully concocted script, brushed off and brought to the parade every single time a case like this occurred. I have seen it before, and as long as we live in a city, a nation, that does not value all people as human, there will be more Sean Bells.

“I am Sean Bell,” many of us chanted in the days and weeks immediately following his death. Yet very few of us showed up to the hearings after, and even fewer had the courage to question the vision, or lack thereof, of our own Black leadership who accomplished, ultimately, little to nothing at all. And very few of us realized that the powers-that-be in New York City have come to anticipate our reactions to matters like the Sean Bell tragedy: we get upset and become very emotional; we scream “No Justice! No Peace!”; we march, rally, and protest; we call the police and mayor all kinds of names and demand their resignations; we vow that this killing will be the last; and we will wait until the next tragedy hits, then this whole horrible cycle begins anew.

Plain and simple, racism creates abusive relationships. It does not matter if the perpetrator is a White sister or brother, or a person of color, because the most vulnerable in our society feel the heat of it. Real talk: this tragedy would have never gone down on the Upper Eastside of Manhattan or in Brooklyn Heights. I am not just speaking about the judge’s decision, but the police officer’s actions. Those shots would have never been fired at unarmed White people sitting in a car. Until we understand that racism is not just about who pulled the trigger in a police misconduct case, but is also about the geography of racism, and the psychology of racism, we are forever stuck having the same endless dialogue with no solution in sight.

And until America recognizes the civil and human rights of all its citizens, systemic racism and police misconduct, joined at the hip, will never end. That is, until White sisters and brothers realize they, too, are Sean Bell, this will never end. Save for a few committed souls, most White folks sit on the sidelines (as many did when we marched down Fifth Avenue in protest of Sean Bell’s murder in December 2006), feel empathy, but fail to grasp that our struggle for justice is their struggle for justice. They, alas, are Sean Bell, and Amadou Diallo, and all those anonymous Black and Brown heads and bodies who’ve been victimized, whether they want to accept that reality or not. And the reality is that until police officers are forced to live in the communities they police, forced to learn the language, the culture, the mores of the communities they police, forced to change how they handle undercover assignments, this systemic racism, this police misconduct, will never end. And until Black and Latino people, the two communities most likely to suffer at the hands of police brutality and misconduct, refuse to accept the half-baked leadership we’ve been given for nearly forty years now, and start to question what is really going on behind the scenes with the handshakes, the eyewinks, the head nods, and the backroom deals at the expense of our lives, this systemic racism, this police misconduct, these kinds of miscarriages of justice, will never end.

Our current leadership needs us to believe all we can ever be are victims, doomed to one recurring tragedy or another. It keeps these leaders gainfully employed, and it keeps us feeling completely helpless and powerless. Well, I am not helpless nor powerless, and neither are you. To prevent Sean Bell’s memory from fading like dust into the air, the question is put to you, now: What are you going to do to change this picture once and for all? Mayor Bloomberg said this in a statement:

"There are no winners in a trial like this. An innocent man lost his life, a bride lost her groom, two daughters lost their father, and a mother and a father lost their son. No verdict could ever end the grief that those who knew and loved Sean Bell suffer."

No, the grief will never end, not for Sean Bell’s parents and family, for his fiancé and children. But Mayor Bloomberg, you, me, we the people, can step up our games, make a commitment to real social justice in our city, in our nation, and, for once, penalize people, including police officers, who just randomly blow away lives. Sean Bell is never coming back, but we are here, and the biggest tragedy will be if we keep going about our lives, as if this never happened in the first place.

And a long as we have leadership, White leadership and Black leadership, mainstream leadership and grassroots leadership, that can do nothing more than exacerbate folks’ very natural emotions in a tragedy like this, we will never progress as a human race. Instead a true leader needs to harness those emotions and turn them into action, as Dr. King did, as Gandhi did. In the absence of such action, so many of us, especially us Black and Latino males, will continue to have a very nervous relationship with the police, even the police of color, for fear that any of one of us could be the next Sean Bell.


Kevin Powell is a Brooklyn, New York-based writer, community activist, and author of 8 books. He can be reached at kevin@kevinpowell.net.

Comments

 

rah410city said:

I agree with the young man on every point he made. My only question is, now what?
April 26, 2008 4:57 PM
 

Tommy K. said:

It's sad man. Sean Bell will not die in vain I can tell you that much.
April 26, 2008 5:10 PM
 

Code of Iron said:

as a people. we'll just sit back and take it. like we do all the other injustices. we'll sit back and get angry. say its a shame. but we'll do nothing else. so whose to blame. not racists, not asshole cops not even the government. us black folks are. were our oun worst enemy. blacks vs. nigas which side are you on...

everybody's bad and everybody's tough
but how many people are intelligent enough
to open up their eyes and see through the lies
discipline themselves, yourself to stay alive?
not many
That's why the universe sent me today on this stage
with this to to say
the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer
and in the final hour many heads will lose power
what does the rich versus the poor really mean?
psychologically it means you got to pick your team
when someone says the rich gets richer
visualize wealth and put yourselves in the picture
the rich get richer, cause they work towards rich
the poor get poorer, cause their minds
can't switch from the ghetto
let go, it's not a novelty
you could love your neighborhood without loving poverty
follow me, every mother, father, son, daughter
there's no reason to fear the New World Order
we must order the whole new world to pay us
the New World Order and the old state chaos
the Big Brother watching over you, is a lie you see
Hip-Hop could build it's own secret society
but first you and I got to unify
stop the NIGGATIVITY and control our creativity
the rich is getting richer, so why we ain't richer?
could it be we still thinking like NIGGAZ?
educate yourselves, make your world view bigger
visualize wealth and put yourselves in the picture!
                                        KRS-ONE
   
April 26, 2008 5:10 PM
 

hip hop junky said:

now we sit & waite for these cops 2 b judge,not by us but by god.he put all of us here 2 obey his laws,as it was written.& its up 2 each of us 2 follow,alot of us are weak minded thats why we still sin in our everyday life..I used 2 believe that god wouldn't punish good people, but now I c its not a punishment.at this day a time god has called his angels home.something tragic 2 one man may be a blessing to another..things happen for a reason...we just have to have faith,and those of us that accecpt god as our savior, may reach heaven and see it was all in gods plan..one of my favorite gospel songs come from yalonda Adams.she say this battle is not yours.. Its the lords..so pray for sean bell family.& let our father take care of all evil....b4 I sign off.just want yall 2 keep something in ur heads..(God 4 give u for things u don't know,but its ur responsibility once you learn..)
April 26, 2008 5:17 PM
 

jubilee.shine said:

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April 26, 2008 5:33 PM
 

CarolinaCandee said:

Very good read. The author made several great points without the tone being too agressive, as we are always percieved. Instead it evokes emotion and real action, within the individual. How can you as an individual do something to stand against racism and social injustice. It has always been a concern of mine that the only black leaders recognized by the mainstream media are the ones who attach themselves to causes that evoke the stereotypical reaction from us; get mad, talk about what we're not going to stand for and then go through it again. No real plan and no real action. Alot of smoke but no fire.  

Dr. King was our saving grace in a sense because no matter the cause, if it affected people in a way that was inhumane and their rights were violated, he was there. His spirit never waivered, he was for the cause. I hate to see what's going on with us as people today, because I know Dr. King would be turning in his grave. All of our ancestors who lived with less, fought for a little bit, and here we have it all and some of us foolishly throw it away fighting with each other. There was a time when WE weren't our own enemies. There has been a systematic divide in our race that started when our ancestors got off the ships to build this country. Whites against blacks, house slaves against field slaves, and even in hip hop, north versus south, east against west, and lightskinned verses darkskinned. We have to grow together as people before we can try and fix anything else.

As the writer stated, there are thousands of Shawn Bells. My brother's best friend was killed last Saturday in North Carolina by a police officer.(RIP James Paschal Jr.) And yes you guessed right, he was unarmed. He resisted and was killed in a urban neighborhood. But would that have happened in the suburbs? No, the can curse the cops out, and barely get mased or tased.  The sickening twist is, his father was killed when he(James Jr.) was a child. Can you guess the scenario? He was shot and killed by a Greensboro Police officer. See how history repeats itself?

I have come to this conclusion. In life, we find ourselves in certain situations over and over again as human beings because in each case, there is a lesson to be learned. If you don't learn from that situation and apply that to your life, you will certainly find yourself facing that or a similar situation.

In all, I believe personally Kevin is dead on. Since we can't look to the leaders of yesterday to help unite us and fight this war on racism and the constant decline in the value of black lives, what can we as individuals do constructively that would make even the slightest difference. That answer can only come after deep reflection. My simplest answer mirrors Kevins' point that we have to value EVERY life and stop allowing the separist or "better than" divides to conquer us.

Peace and luv all my brothers and sisters. Enough is enough!
April 26, 2008 5:44 PM
 

Code of Iron said:

hip hop junky said:
now we sit & waite for these cops 2 b judge,not by us but by god.he put all of us here 2 obey his laws,as it was written.& its up 2 each of us 2 follow,alot of us are weak minded thats why we still sin in our everyday life..I used 2 believe that god wouldn't punish good people, but now I c its not a punishment.at this day a time god has called his angels home.something tragic 2 one man may be a blessing to another..things happen for a reason...we just have to have faith,and those of us that accecpt god as our savior, may reach heaven and see it was all in gods plan..one of my favorite gospel songs come from yalonda Adams.she say this battle is not yours.. Its the lords..so pray for sean bell family.& let our father take care of all evil....b4 I sign off.just want yall 2 keep something in ur heads..(God 4 give u for things u don't know,but its ur responsibility once you learn..)


SINGING HYMNS AINT GONNA CUT IT NO MORE. WEVE BEEN DOIN THAT FOR 400 FUCKIN YEARS. AND LOOK WHERE ITS GOT US. WE AS A PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE ACTION.. FUCK THESE FAKE PHOTO-OP BLACK LEADERS. FUCK SONGS FUCK ALL OF THAT SHIT!!!!! I HAVE FAITH IN GOD AS MUCH AS THE NEXT MAN BUT SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA DO FOR SELF! SHIT IS REALER THAN EVER BEFORE. IM NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO TEAR UP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD (THATS NIGGA SHIT) BUT WE NEED TO WISEN UP! THE WAY WE DO THINGS HAS TO CHANGE!!! IM NOT TRYING TO KNOCK YOU FOR YOUR OPINION ON THE SITUATION BUT WE NEED TO CHANGE IT UP!!
April 26, 2008 5:44 PM
 

hip hop junky said:

like ur thoughts!!but show better than you can tell,didnt say sang about it but,u must listen,u must learn,& u must teach.cuz even if u take action still not gone bring him back.now ur in the same boat as these cops & where on line protesting ur realese.its a chain reaction.if it takes 50 shots to stop a unarmed man.we can change but will they(cops)???if its been going on  for 400 yrs/its not gone stop in 401yrs.. we still got 2 convince some of our own to let a black man become prez..so its gone be harder to fight against black&white..
April 26, 2008 6:13 PM
 

FLASHNZ said:

Petitions?, Peaceful Protests?...there are more black people than kurupt law enforcements right?...sign up to be cops and influence people with positive energy?...i tell you its all ta do wif parents tellin their kids niggas and shit and they grow up with bull shit wrong beliefs........it's crazy psychological world. This problem is greater than hip hop, gangster rap songs create the imagery of the struggle, people get an idea right, but then your like hmm maybe American society created gangsta rap, we are all the peaceful songs at?...gotta keep telling it how it is, dont run away from the truth like this Judge did...someone needs ta investigate the investigators....the system needs ta change, the government is stupid....ur governments system isnt even successful.....seriously.....but i guess that bad white congressman or whateva needs to get paid.

One.

April 26, 2008 6:21 PM
 

HatersDieSlow said:

I don't understand what everybody trippin for? niggas need 2 use commonsense..first of all..u gettin married, why u goin to some sleasy ass club anyways? number two, if u hang wit bad company, that automatically makes u a suspect...u look like a thug, they gon treat u like one...this ain't the 60's no more.. even though racism is still around, half of these niggas bring it upon themselves, with all this tough talk, and gangsta shit...nobody ain't said anythin bout the fact that Sean Bell kept fuckin driving, when they told him to stop, and he rammed a cop car or some shit....was 50 shots justified? hell yeah. niggas use ur fuckin brain for once...u makin us look bad...i ain't never had problems wit the cops where i live, and Flint, MI is mad crazy...i use my fuckin brain, i don't pretend 2 be a " thug " or look like one.. i'm a law abiding, mutha fuckin citizen, and get treated wit respect...ya'll ain't victims...u make urself one.
April 26, 2008 6:26 PM
 

hip hop junky said:

ignorance must come outta flint,mi..nobody deserve that cuz..white or black..its like rodney king 1 man vs many cops,they are paid professionals who should no better.I guess they don't fuck wit u sounden like a bitch! Tell me where is 50 shots justified???? Please!! Y did he have 2 limit his outting cuz he was getting married?again flint,mi..must not have any intelligents there..or u just giving it a bad name..really don't think he was tryen to make hisself a victim!!come on man you prob b one of them cops in da near future,hope u don't run into the rite person! Cuz u gone b on ur ass
April 26, 2008 6:45 PM
 

MACCAPONE said:

SAD FUCC THE POLICE.......
April 26, 2008 6:53 PM
 

MACCAPONE said:

SAD FUCC THE POLICE.......
April 26, 2008 6:53 PM
 

FLASHNZ said:

nobody deserves to die when they tryna experience their bachelor night.....Jebus........ignorant people...its DEATH...this cat died, DEAD...gone......left behind a to be wife and kid.
April 26, 2008 6:53 PM
 

garvey101 said:

who's REALLY  surprised by this outrage?  Look...Our(black) everyday talk, walk,  and fashions are considered dosorderly and immature to the judicial world.  He was reduced to a mere "thugg" disobeying "the MANs" soldiers. A problem like this must be dealt with internally.  Those killlers should have been made into examples  for their wrong doings.
April 26, 2008 10:35 PM
 

drewhood said:

HatersDieSlow said:
I don't understand what everybody trippin for? niggas need 2 use commonsense..first of all..u gettin married, why u goin to some sleasy ass club anyways? number two, if u hang wit bad company, that automatically makes u a suspect...u look like a thug, they gon treat u like one...this ain't the 60's no more.. even though racism is still around, half of these niggas bring it upon themselves, with all this tough talk, and gangsta shit...nobody ain't said anythin bout the fact that Sean Bell kept fuckin driving, when they told him to stop, and he rammed a cop car or some shit....was 50 shots justified? hell yeah. niggas use ur fuckin brain for once...u makin us look bad...i ain't never had problems wit the cops where i live, and Flint, MI is mad crazy...i use my fuckin brain, i don't pretend 2 be a " thug " or look like one.. i'm a law abiding, mutha fuckin citizen, and get treated wit respect...ya'll ain't victims...u make urself one.

YOU DEAD WRONG AND NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP
April 26, 2008 10:44 PM
 

BogishNiggarosis said:

1ST OF ALL THE SYSTEM WORKS PERFECTLY BECAUSE THIS IS HOW THEY WANT IT, IF THOSE COPS WERE CONVICTED THEN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN EXAMPLE OF THE SYSTEM NOT WORKING. WE BUILT THIS LAND BUT IT WASNT DESIGNED FOR US.
2ND BLACK PEOPLE AND "NIGGAZ" IS IN THE SAME BOAT, AND GETTING RID OF NIGGAZ IS NOT GON SAVE US. MALCOLM WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED A NIGGA BY THESE STANDARDS WHICH IS WHY HE WAS KILLED 1ST TO MAKE BLACKS THINK IF THEY'RE PEACEFUL IT'LL BE ALRIGHT THEN THEY KILLED KING. WE NEED AN ARMY SO NIGGAZ NEED TO BE TRAINED,SINCE THEY READY TO KILL LETS JUST SWITCH THE TARGET
April 26, 2008 11:49 PM
 

Code of Iron said:

all i know is that somehow some way we have to come together as a people. i like the dialogue on these posts (although nowhere near as many as in the rumor sections, i guess its easier to speak about bullshit than this peticular topic) but at least its a start. much respect to hip hop junky. for hearin a brotha out even though i was a bit amped up.
April 27, 2008 12:21 AM
 

SagNasty989 said:

FUCK DA POLICE BLOOD!!! ALL BLACKS NEED TO RETALIATE ON ALL THESE PIGS N CRACKERS NOW!
April 27, 2008 12:25 AM
 

everybodyisasnitch said:

blacks kill blacks everyday...
April 27, 2008 12:41 AM
 

Fresh Err said:

@ HatersDieSlow

Hmmmm. Nobody deserve this even if they was coming out of Satan's club. The police are suppose to be professionals... The police are suppose to serve and protect. The police are suppose to be trained for situations like these. I shouldn't have to dress a certain way to make a police officers' job easy (I should be able to rock a kilt if I want to).

As far as his association to so called "Bad Guys" no one has stated anything criminal Sean Bell has committed. So shouldn't a man be judged on his own merit? Why are they judging a man for the other victims criminal history? But all that is irrelevant because as far as I'm concern they have served their time and they were not committing any crimes at the that time.

But really, I personally think you are a cop and I believe you should be shot for your statements... If you are not a cop I still think you should be shot for thinking like one. I say this because if you believe that I should be shot because of my associations or my location with no just cause by cops then you are guilty as the cops who committed the act.







Those who can, do... And those who can't, hate.
April 27, 2008 1:25 AM
 

Fresh Err said:

@ everybodyisasnitch

Yeah, yeah, yeah... And I hate that just as much but that's not the subject at hand. So are you introducing a new subject or are you implying that the cops are "justified" because blacks kill blacks everyday (sounds real silly when you think about it, huh)? Are you another one of those negroes like HatersDieSlow who is in love with the white on his teeth? You are another one who needs to be shot.







Those who can, do... And those who can't, hate.
April 27, 2008 1:31 AM
 

bigchief206 said:

i really don't know what it's going to take for us blacks to realize that we're not wanted here. we need to realize that we're going to keep getting shitted on until we choose not to. they're not going to stop because we beg them to stop. that shit didn't work in 1968 and it isn't going to work now.

we have to stop with this turn the other cheek god's going to judge them crap. god helps those who help themselves. and if you can't defend your family from people just because they have badges then you're a disgrace. i'm not calling for any violence i'm just calling for self defense. 51 shots fired is overkill it's a lynching there was intent to kill. and if that doesn't open our eyes then i don't know what will. i guess they have to nuke atlanta or something for us to get the fucking point.

there is no such thing as a good cop, politician, or anything in this system. this system was built to work against us and we can't continue to try and use this system of oppression and exploitation to try and change it. we have to start putting our lives in our own hands and distance ourselves from the government entirely. including social government programs. we have to help one another we have to fight for one another. because it's clear that this justice system is going to fight for us.
April 27, 2008 2:29 AM
 

dOLOSTIMULUS said:



I AM SEAN BELL TOO! am i next?
April 27, 2008 3:19 AM
 

agcarr said:

I went through the whole process of signing up to log just to back up what HatersDieSllow said. He is one hundred percent right. When are we going to accept responsibility for our actions? The man was legally drunk, and tried to run a cop over. The Guardian Angel guy broke it down on Lou Dobbs TV show for white America to try to understand how two balck cops can be called racist. This wasn't a man coming home from work and reaching for his keys and wallet in his doorway - this was outside a stripclub at 4 in the morning and they were trying to get a ho to service them all and got into a beef with her pimp and started talking about get the gun. How can you defend that? The police were doing their job. When somebody breaks in your house or assaults your girlfriend, who you gonna call - Ghostbusters?  You'd complain if the police didn't do their job for you. And all Drewhood could say to HatersDieSlow was shut the fuck up. Because he was right. Sharpton got a game - he gets the lawyer kickback for the lawsuit. We black people play ourselves and buy the cards and cut the deck to do it. His "friends" had rap sheets, couldn't get their story straight because they knew they were wrong and got their man killed. Mr. Bell probably hit the gas because he had his girl's car and knew he shouldn't have been doing what he tried to do. It was a bad set of circumstances that turned into a tragedy not just for Mr. Bell's fiance and family but for the brothers who are cops too. And the reflex action of crying racist is stupid because it obviously wasn't. I'm tired of Sharpton holding people hostage and playing with people's lives under the guise of righteous indignation when it's about the money and the microphone. When the blind lead the blind they all fall into a ditch. So here we go again. The chicken's head is cut off and the body is still runnin' around cause it doesn't know it's dead. That Sharpton-threatening shit is played out. What happened is what being out in street leads to. How bout being in a church? How about doing the right thing? How about getting some damn education and elevating ourselves? Spike Lee made that movie 20 years ago and it's still the same - a lot of noise and no positive action. Bigchief206 was half-right, we've got to start putting our lives in our own hands, but who are we to fight to fight for one another? The "system"? The system is the System. Too many brothers have made it, got up and got out to keep blaming it the white man or the system of oppression. I'm 49 years old and all that bullshit thug music glorification is a symptom of the problem. We pay street thugs to call us nigger and reward them with money to do it. How come every rapper that starts thug and gets successful leaves that nonsense behind and "the people" behind with it? The system of oppression and exploitation is now in our own minds with a soundtrack. Jay-Z is in the islands, PDiddy is having white parties with white folk and 50 cent is selling water and living out of state. Tupac and Biggie been dead. Snoop's talkin' fatherhood. Ice Cube is making movies. Ice-T is playing a cop on TV. Doesn't that say it all? Streetlife needs to just be a song Randi Crawford sang years ago and you hear on the jazz station now. My grandmom used to say "Free schools and dumb niggers" and shake her head. Took me a awhile to understand what she meant. Do you understand?
April 27, 2008 3:48 AM
 

Hak_Wise said:

This situation forces us to revisit the one question that we have yet to find a good answer for: WHAT NOW? We are all aware of the injustices in our community, society, judicial system, and nation as a whole but what can we do to change it? Do we seek street justice and slay those who unjustly kill our brothers and sisters? Do we seek refuge in God and pray for better days? Do we take a political approach and write our congressman and senators? Should we riot or march through the streets with picket signs? What can we do? Let me rephase that, What can we do that hasn't already been done? How do we fix a system that was designed to be flawed?
April 27, 2008 5:21 AM
 

DjRags said:

All I can say is that I love the discussion this is generating, but if thats all it amounts to, we'll be talking about this like we do about Rodney King.  To me it seems that radical change is the only thing that ever makes things change...
April 27, 2008 5:34 AM
 

FallBack_Buk_2 said:

man, its sad to say that we all knew this was coming. when it first happened we all promised that heads would turn, and justice would be served. whether that justice come in the form of a guilty verdict or street justice. we all sit around and talk about what we are going to do, and we all did nothing. no, a guilty verdict wouldnt have brought Sean Bell back, but it would have made a statement that black lives are not worthless. Dr. King said it best, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. so, what do we do now? wait for the next sean bell, or diallo, or jena 6, or abu-jamal, or anyone else that has dealt with some type of injustice?
April 27, 2008 5:58 AM
 

Feldz said:

I mad but im startin 2 get immune 2 this shit!!!
..... Muthafuckas already knew this was gonna happen!!.... just like Spike said!!, " Business As Usual!!"..... And that some real shit right there!!... Business As Usual!!
But im really startin 2 get immune 2 this shit!!!.....
Then people really think Brackk gonna b president?.... R u fuckin serious?.... They only makin all this hoopla just 2 make people interested even tho majority of tha people want him 2 win tha superdelgates will picjk who tha president is!!.... This was alreadly seen just like this Sean Bell verdict!!!....
We should could keep hope alive right?.... but bn a black young 23 yr old male like myself u have sit and ask ur self Y?....

Y keep hope alive when it is shown n national media on a daily basics that rasicm is alive and strong and will never ever go ne where!!

Its sad but tha fuck up thing is its reality!!
April 27, 2008 8:17 AM
 

everybodyisasnitch said:

Dear Fresh Err,

 Last I checked I'm a black man living in New York City and 25 percent of these black men screaming murder at the hands of the police are killers themselves. Yesterday a man was burnt alive after he was robbed, why aren't we up in arms to find the people who did it. Five days ago young male was shot and killed, and he was a good dude who never got in trouble. (even though the bullet was not meant for him a black man killed him) I'm not saying in anyway that its ok for cops to kill us, I'm only saying when will we stop killing ourselves. The world, yes the whole world look at us black folks like animals, and because of that 25 percent we act like animals in the eyes of cops. Thats why the judge for the case said "not guilty" the guys who represented Sean had records that F-up their credibility. In order words these animals can't be telling the truth. And didn't one of them get arrested again for domestic violence after the shooting, what a idiot. When you get a chance go to Youtube and type in "Brownsville Bloodz" and what my life is like with these negros around here....and tell me how would you feel ducking from you own kind killing you. Everytime I speak to the young people about change they tell me they don't want to hear that Malcom X bullsh;t, but keep trying to help them fly straight. Another thing we need to do is stop pissing in the damn elevator. I don't want to die by cops or black folks. Death is death.
April 27, 2008 10:21 AM
 

ripcote said:

Were the cops not of color also?  
April 27, 2008 10:58 AM
 

ARCIOM said:

I believe action needs to be taken (not the we don't belong here kind). No doubt an injustice has occured and it is in the hands of the people (all people, black, white, asian, latino, arabic, native, pacific north islander, etc...) because this was a breach of the social contract guaranteed by the Government.

Much like the author I remember a number of police brutality/excessive violence incidents and I fear this will become like the rest, it will be the subject of many songs, then nothing. Music is not responsible for shaping action. Music is to express the thoughts and feelings of the people (not all, obviously).

The police are suppose to be professional, they are suppose to use great restraint in life and death situations. I believe, like the author, that the negative feelings about the inner cities leads to excessive violence/ over aggresion in response to civil matters. I do believe a civil distrubance outside a strip club in a much wealthier section would have been handled differently. You do not have to be of another race to be racist. To look at your own and think they are worthless, good for nothing thugs is a posionous attitude. The police response was excessive (mind you this is just from hearing 50 shots, does anyone have access to the court records?).

With that being said the inner cities are not safe havens for the most part. Thanks to youtube you do not have to live in every inner city to see what goes on. Jadakiss was in Yonkers for a DVD shoot and was taking the camera guy around the hood to show how real it was. He ran into somebody and following some conversation the dude let off about 3 shots in the air and said "yeah, letting off shots" and ran...

The conditions of the inner cities and conditioning thought that inner city youth are all thugs may not be the central issue here (the death of a son, fiance, father and friend) but it all effects each other. I feel the inner city youth are trapped in a violence ridden version of a Catch-22.

"Just my thoughts, just what I feeling at the time"
April 27, 2008 11:02 AM
 

DeanoSabatini said:

I am finish with America. America is telling us folks whether you are an highly educated black man or just black your life means nothing; this is 2008.
April 27, 2008 12:04 PM
 

illseed said:

the color of  all cops is BLUE.
thats a given and almost always has been. i know some cops tht tried to get up in there and make some internal changes and they got booted right up outta there.
they policing schools now.

let me know what is up and im down. i dont have any real answers other than keep bitching, because it happens so much so often and the system doesnt care.

i dont wanna think like MC ren, but what else can you do?
April 27, 2008 12:05 PM
 

duceconstant said:

fuck the police !! crackers and punk ass boot licking field niggaz!!!  punk bitches!!!
April 27, 2008 12:12 PM
 

THEICEBERG said:

LOL...man, the hypocrisy and mud-slinging goin on right now is comical...its funny how everybody is up in arms and pumping their fists when a couple cops kill ONE black man (which was atrocious and sad in and of itself), yet in our communities black on black crime is so frequent you've gotten desensitized to it. wheres the fist pumping and outcry for the innocent souls taken by drug wars and stupidity everyday in the streets?? You talk about other peoples' lack of respect for our race, but answer me this, how the fuck you expect people to value us when we dont even value ourselves hmmm?? we call each other 'niggas', we purchase and praise music that glorifies the killing of 'niggas' we act like 'niggas'....yet we still cry like babies for the respect of others...we made the bed now we mad b/c we gotta sleep in it. *NEWSFLASH*-this just in- respect is a debt given to those to whom it is due, and us black people should declaring bankruptcy in that sense. Go head call me a uncle tom,a hater, craka lover or watever  but to be frank, you love to baste in the juices of your ignorance. keep thinking that you are just a poor victim and every cop out there is racist and out to get you blah blah blah. lets see how far that mentality gets you in life LOL. before you post another stupid comment  as this answer yourself these questions...how many times have you been wronged by a cop wen you were in the right, and how many times have you been wronged by your own people huh?? yea i thought so. wake the fuk up people...if we don't stand together we will fall....fuk it, we're already tumbling.
April 27, 2008 1:09 PM
 

agcarr said:

Dear everybodyisasnitch:
    I did what you said and checked out the videos. At 3:28 of Brownsville Bloodz part 2 of 2, at the end of the rap, listen to what the brother said and how he says it: "this life is retarded." The pain and sadness and hopelessness in his voice is heartbreaking, totally different tone than the rest of the rap. Now who is responsible for this? The white man? The system? What about the neighbors trying to live a decent life needing to risk getting shot to try and get a good night's sleep so they can go to work the next day? Did the white man force him in to the chair to get his gold teeth? Self-mutilation and self-hatred on full display. Yeshua (translated into English as Jesus) said "the kingdom of heaven is within". but nobody wants to hear that "bullshit" right? "Society" doesn't put its head on your pillow at night. Only you do. Change in society starts with change in the individual, one by one, and only each individual can look to save themselves internally spiritually and then be in the proper mental position to live life, not be a walking dead man. but, unfortunately, no stable father and mother living right and teaching right = what you see. TheIceberg is RIGHT. everybodyisasnitch is RIGHT. There are none so blind as those that purposely do not want to see, because then it will mean putting in on themselves instead of blaming everyone else.
    Now, what's going to happen in another generation, when what we see in that video has its children, leading to more black on black genocide, is all that urban warfare house to house training the Army is now learning is going to start getting used in these urban city cores, because what else is there going to be able to be done with what has been inbred? And if you read your Bible Old Testament (and don't give me that it's the white man's religion because the Caucasians - Cauc-mountain area in Russia/ asians-where they came from originally/ were still in their caves when it was written) you will see that Yahweh Eloheim (His self-given name that was translated as "God" because it was felt by the Hebrews His actual name was too holy to let come out of their mouths) did not have a problem in destroying a generation he felt had become too wicked. and that's why you see the recent Planned Parenthood demonstrations because it is black fetuses that are the ones the majority of which are being aborted at the rate of millions. Ask yourself this question - what if they weren't? What would Brownsville Bloodz area look like then if the scene in the videos was multiplied by several hundred thousand more? If you all want to be real lets be real. Yahweh is not mocked- payday someday and that someday has started for a race that He brought to this country to grow strong in bondage and then once freed from that bondage serve Him in a better fashion than the Jewish race that He had grow strong in bondage in Egypt under black oppression. He answered the prayers of all the millions of African slaves that knew TRUE white man oppression with chains of iron and now the children of those slaves PAY that white man for shiny ones to put around their necks with money they get from killing and robbing and hustling their own brothers and sisters. Like Michelle N'degchello said "Previous generations marched down this boulevard for freedom for what, for those to drive down it in their fancy cars?"
  And like Tupac said - "I don't even know why I'm on this track" because apparently these words will fall on mostly "def" ears. And Tupac was another brother whose mother started in the struggle for liberation and at one point in his music he really was getting close to the Truth and could have led a lot of of people in the right direction, to a better, higher opinion of themself, but then, the desire for sensual self-indulgence and the "thug life" overtook him. And now you can go see his autopsy photos. Those that seek violence end up finding it.   Breaks my heart to see our people so lost and hopeless and being led on marches by "the Reverend" Al  Sharpton. There are many gods that can be served. I know Sharpton's not serving Yahweh and that's where the true failure in our black society stems from - being led astray in church by false prophets preaching "black liberation theology" as taught by man. Yahweh gave us the book, which has all the answers we need, but I guess keeping oneself positive and respecting your body as the temple it was created to be, and loving and doing unto others as you love yourself and would like others to do unto you and finding a woman who understands the most precious and sacred place on earth is between her legs and keeping it pure just for her man and keeping it real just for her and working hard to see the love and respect coming from her eyes just isn't as exciting as going to club and wildin' out and shootin it up and hustling. Beware. The pleasures of sin - yeah sin, call it what you know it is - last just for a season.
Tell yourself how much fun it was when you're locked up doing 6-20 like my cousin whose best man I was at his wedding who is now in a REAL "house of payne" - bamboozled, or when you are 60 years old if you live that long alone and broke in a hole you call home shared with a rat or two and you have no money to eat - do you see any sixty year old huslters and rappers or are you going to be the one exception - and no woman because who would want you when you don't even want yourself. Yeah, hard work with an eye to securing a future for yourself ain't cool, it's a white thing right? You need to stop just sampling those old earth wind and fire albums and listen to the whole record instead of just tryin to find a beat to rap to. Devotion. Keep Your Head to the Sky. What happened to us, black people? Tupac was right - he saw death around the corner, and it's around every corner for those on that thug life path. There IS a Way, but that would involve actual humility, humbling oneself before God and a determination to change it up for the better and a true vision of what this thug shit is really about. HipHop is not thug. Ask KRS1. Ask Reverend Run. Ask SOMEBODY who knows. Better yet, go listen to Brownsville Bloodz part 2 of 2 at 3: 28. "This life is retarded." Ask him, if he's still alive today. Or tomorrow.
   People, this was written from the heart, a heart that has nothing but love for you. And that’s where it starts. In your heart and mind and soul and understanding. The heart is a garden, and it will grow after the seeds you plant. And you will surely reap what you sow. Or from the old school, Parliament/Funkadelic :
"Travel like a King.
And Remember: A Higher Wisdom is at work
for you.
Conquering the stumbling blocks come easier
when the Conquer is
in tune with the Infinite.
Every ending is a new beginning; life is an
endless unfoldment.
Change your mind and you change your
relation to time.
*****
You can find the answer!
The solution lies within the problem. The
answer is in every question,
dig it?
An attitude is all you need to rise and walk
away.
Inspire yourself!
Your life is yours; it fits you like your skin.
*****
The oak sleeps in the acorn, the giant Sequoia
tree sleeps in its tiny seed, the bird waits in
the air, and God waits for his unfoldment in
man.
Fly on, children, fly.
*****
You gravitate to that which you secretly love
most. You make in life the exact reproduction
of your own thoughts. There is no chance,
coincidence, or accident in a world ruled by
divine law and order. You rise as high as your
dominant aspiration; you descend to the level
of your lowest concept of yourself.
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
*****
The Infinite Intelligence within you knows the
answers; its nature is to respond to your
thoughts.
Be careful of the thought seeds you plant in
the garden of your mind, for seeds grow after
their kind.
Play on, children.
*****
Every thought felt as true, or allowed to be
accepted as true, by your
conscious mind take roots in your
subconscious and blossom sooner
or later into an act and bears it's own fruit.
Good thoughts bring forth good fruit.
Bullshit thoughts rot your meat.
Think right and you can fly!
The Kingdom of Heaven is within.
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
April 27, 2008 2:28 PM
 

LTBROWN said:

"This is not to suggest that all police officers are trigger-happy and inhumane, because I do not believe that. They have a difficult and important job, and many of them do that job well, and maintain outstanding relationships with our communities. I know officers like that."

SO DO I. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THEM IS THEY DON'T COME FORWARD AND DENOUNCE THE BAD ONES. THAT BLUE CODE OF SILENCE IS KILLING AND VIOLATING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF PEOPLE OF COLOR.

I WASN'T SURPRISE BY THIS VERDICT EITHER. I EXPECTED IT. WHITE AMERICA WILL TURN IT'S BACKS ON ANYTHING AL SHARPTON OR JESSIE JACKSON IS APART OF. [NOT THAT IT'S RIGHT OR AN EXCUSE  NOT TO DO RIGHT THE RIGHT THING]. BUT AMERICA HAS BEEN P.O.'D WITH SHARPTON SINCE T. BRAWLEY.
SO THEY IGNORE THE FACTS AND START WITH THE DENOUNCING OF THESE 2 REVERENDS AND ACCUSING THEM OF BEING CAMERA WHORES.
ALL THE WHILE, THE JENA 6'S, SEAN BELL'S,GENARLO'S, ANGOLA 3'S ETC.....GET VICTIMIZED OVER AND OVER. THE JUSTICE THEY SEEK OR THAT IS SOUGHT ON THEIR BEHALF'S IS NEVER FORTHCOMING.

HELL YES, WE SHOULD GET MAD BUT THEN GET SMART TOO. GET INVOLVED, BECOME AWARE AND STOP RELYING ON YOUR INFORMATION TO BE FED TO YOU BY THE MEDIA, ETC. GET YOUR ASS OUT HERE AND GET INVOLVED. IF THIS WHERE YOUR FAMILY, YOU'D WANT THE WORLD TO CARE AND RALLY. THAT RALLY HAS TO START WITH YOU, BEFORE YOU ARE SEAN BELL.

NO CALVARY IS GONNA COME BLACK PEOPLE. WE ARE IT.

THE ONLY WAY CHANGE WILL COME IS IF WE GIVE IT A RIDE IN.

April 27, 2008 3:59 PM
 

everybodyisasnitch said:

Dear Agcarr,
 I want to thank you for giving me and others the truth from the top to the bottom. And I know we are few who see whats morally right or justifiable. Yet so many will say we are crazy. Traveling helps me see the world for what it truly is, and not get caught up with a hoodlum mentality, screaming what set i'm from, or tagging the very building I live in with my crew name. I remember KRS 1 wrote a piece years ago about starting at the bottom and working your way up to the top. We all have to start somewhere, but start somewhere positive. That piece he wrote change my way of thinking, that piece kept me strong and focus enough to move out the Projects. It feels so good not to have piss in the elevators. My point is grow up and change so when things like this happen, I can be the first one to die for a real cause. Clean up your backyard first before you march.  

R.I.P SEAN
April 27, 2008 6:32 PM
 

everybodyisasnitch said:

Written by Krs 1

These are poems circulating throughout the nation
everybody's bad and everybody's tough
but how many people are intelligent enough
to open up their eyes and see through the lies
discipline themselves, yourself to stay alive?
not many
That's why the universe sent me today on this stage
with this to to say
the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer
and in the final hour many heads will lose power
[ Find more Lyrics at www.mp3lyrics.org/3OsY ]
what does the rich versus the poor really mean?
psychologically it means you got to pick your team
when someone says the rich gets richer
visualize wealth and put yourselves in the picture
the rich get richer, cause they work towards rich
the poor get poorer, cause their minds
can't switch from the ghetto
let go, it's not a novelty
you could love your neighborhood without loving poverty
follow me, every mother, father, son, daughter
there's no reason to fear the New World Order
we must order the whole new world to pay us
the New World Order and the old state chaos
the Big Brother watching over you, is a lie you see
Hip-Hop could build it's own secret society
but first you and I got to unify
stop the negativity and control our creativity
the rich is getting richer, so why we ain't richer?
could it be we still thinking like niggas?
educate yourselves, make your world view bigger
visualize wealth and put yourselves in the picture!
April 27, 2008 7:05 PM
 

Stand_Alone said:

On some real shit, I wish some y'all would quit talking like shit is just over for us. If a mutha fucka is willing to tell himself such a thing and believe there's nothing he can do then.....half the work of destroying you is already accomplished.

I think we need our people who understand the the law/laws to come together and create some type of unit that can intelligently look into crimes, prosecute, and/or convey ways we can protect ourselves in the context of the law. We all know the shit doesnt really care/cater to us, but we have use it creatively to protect ourselves.

We definitely have to find a way to become closer with each other on a more regular basis. By being only concerned with our own family and friends, we end up just blowing off the plight of others. At some point we have to birth more love for each other and ourselves. We can not stand together for shit if we are always going to find a reason to seperate from each other. Our self hate is everywhere. If it was not, we would not be batling each other on every front...

man vs. woman
light vs. dark skin
old   vs. young
my hood vs. your hood
rich  vs. poor
educated vs. uneducated
hood vs. burbs

In any and every way we look to divide from each other. Why?  We cant put anything together if we are all going in seperate directions. If its too hard to teach us "old dogs" new tricks, then lets develop something for our kids that can bring about a sense of togetherness and pride that will stay with them through the span of their lives.

An answer wont come easy, but this is just some of my opinions. I love all my people because they share the same issues I have to face living this life....and sometimes that shit is hard. Y'all stay safe, love and be involved with your kids. Teach them something, they are the seeds tomorrow will grow from.
April 27, 2008 8:00 PM
 

Fresh Err said:

@ everybodyisasnitch

OK... I agree that every incident you listed is a crying shame but what does that have to do with this particular situation? So let me get this straight... The cops are justified in shooting Sean Bell because of the crimes of other people? We are talking about one situation here and in this particular situation a black man was shot (which seems to happen a lot more than black men shooting cops). He wasn't doing anything illegal; there were no weapon found. You can name all the ills in the world committed by black people it still doesn't justify what has happened to this particular man (Sean Bell).

So you live in NYC... Your city doesn't have a monopoly on black on black crime. I know exactly what you are going through... Gangs all around you, your chances of ending up on some idiot radar is high (I'm protecting myself). So I agree with you, we got real problems in our own backyards so with that said we also don't need it from cops either. I have also had the fortune to travel the world and to live in other countries (I currently live in the DC metropolitan area)... I volunteer my services as much as I can for my young brothers and sisters because I truly understand what they are up against.

Trust me... I'm under no delusion about what's going on around me but I can't sit there and let the so called thugs and pugs kill the daylight for the youth or for me. I'm a strong believer in each one teach one and self defense. I am licensed to conceal and carry (and I do, just not in DC) and I'm not playing... But I'm also not going to make a bad situation worse either, I just feel that no cop is going to protect me better than myself.

So while you are taking this specific subject about Sean Bell and turning it into this black on black spill I'm going to stay on topic... But don't question my concern about other ills that plague the black community unless you know me. I can care less how the world see me, my concern is for me and my people... I know I'm not an animal, and if they think that then it's to my advantage. Again, a man should be judged on his own crime, so quit telling me what the other victims of this tragic crime is doing or has done and stick to the subject.








Those who can, do... And those who can't, hate.
April 27, 2008 10:31 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

Peace 2 Mankind!

this is some blasphemous shit, don't expect a change... our judicial system is outdated and in need of an upgrade fast!

we got Mike Vick in jail for Animal Cruelty,but we got cops walkin free despite blatant intent to kill and an unfortunate homicide as a result....

and i say blatant cause unless them muthafuckaz was shootin at an Elephant or Dinosaur, ain't no need for no fuckin 50 shots to be fired at 3-4 men with no posture of threat indicated. Beyond an alleged statement about getting a gun, which could've been a mistaken quote being that the officer who claimed to hear the phrase was drunk off his fuckin rocker......

man enough of this shit, but they wonder why we out here wit vests and arms trying to living another day, condolences with to his kinfolk, babies, and children's mother.... The system just ain't playin fair and hopefully it will all pan out the right way once the smoke clears, this shit is saddening!
April 27, 2008 10:35 PM
 

snoman718NYC said:

First of all,theres nothing wrong with going to a strip club on the eve of your wedding! Have you ever heard of a bachelor party.Second of all,if you have an altercation outside of the club and end up in your car to go home,thats called avoiding trouble and thinking about your fiance and family. THEN out of nowhere there are guys surrounding your car, NOT in uniform and with GUNS...what are your options? Wouldn't you think they were at least associated with the guys you had beef with???? If you say no,then you're lying. And just for the record...Mike Oliver was white and fired 31 of the 50 shots,meaning he EMPTIED OUT and RELOADED. You can make all the excuses you want.Thats MURDER. Go sit in your car,close the doors,then close your eyes and imagine 50 shots coming through your windows.Bottom line is this,there are good cops,but none of them were there that night. You clowns with the stupid comments are either white posing as black or just afraid of your own shadows and feel big typing dumb sh**. Peace.
April 27, 2008 10:39 PM
 

69_delta88 said:

I'm not going to lie I'm pissed, I'm also pissed that some of you think that what happend it right. All the facts, if they are facts are of what we have read! and not matter what the facts are there is no reason to shoot a car 50 times or at it 50 times, That means some of them stopped to re-load.

Yes Our Cumminty is fucked up and yes we accept it, but it goes both ways, How many times have we called the police and they wait up to and hour to show up. I was robbed and shoot in front of my 2 yr old son in 97 what was my crime?, Having a fucking Averix jacket on. It took the police and EMT's so long to get there that gas station lady had to take me to the hospital, even after she hit her panic button. In the Hood, on the streets or the GHETTO, we all know that it's no law, and they rather see ourselves kill one another before they come in and help.

I have seen it all from cops beating the shit out of us, to us beating the shit out of one another. When do we draw the line and say enough is enough. The Police only see on fucking thing, Black + Male= Criminal.

I went to the Jena 6 march I took my son, For once I felt like I was taking a stand instead of turning my head and livinig my life. You ask where are the pumping fist at when we kill ourselve, I agree with you but I will also asked what are you doing in the Community to stop some of the Black on Black crime?

I say to you all not and myself also get of the computer somtimes and go to a Community meeting let it be known that we just tired of this shit from all around, Police, Black on Black Crime and everything else enough is enough!!

RIP SEAN BELL
RIP SEAN BELL
RIP SEAN BELL

April 27, 2008 11:24 PM
 

69_delta88 said:

I'm not going to lie I'm pissed, I'm also pissed that some of you think that what happend it right. All the facts, if they are facts are of what we have read! and not matter what the facts are there is no reason to shoot a car 50 times or at it 50 times, That means some of them stopped to re-load.

Yes Our Cumminty is fucked up and yes we accept it, but it goes both ways, How many times have we called the police and they wait up to and hour to show up. I was robbed and shoot in front of my 2 yr old son in 97 what was my crime?, Having a fucking Averix jacket on. It took the police and EMT's so long to get there that gas station lady had to take me to the hospital, even after she hit her panic button. In the Hood, on the streets or the GHETTO, what ever you want to call it, It's live or die and pray you make it out, I made it, I turned around and reach my hand in to pull someone else out. What are you doing? Did you make it and leave them in. Not everyone can be saved but lets try to save the ones that can be. I know I went all off the topic but I'm just tired of it all. the full ficking circle of it all.

I have seen it all from cops beating the shit out of us, to us beating the shit out of one another. When do we draw the line and say enough is enough. The Police only see on fucking thing, Black + Male= Criminal.

I went to the Jena 6 march I took my son, For once I felt like I was taking a stand instead of turning my head and livinig my life. You ask where are the pumping fist at when we kill ourselve, I agree with you but I will also asked what are you doing in the Community to stop some of the Black on Black crime?

I say to you all not and myself also get of the computer somtimes and go to a Community meeting let it be known that we just tired of this shit from all around, Police, Black on Black Crime and everything else enough is enough!!

RIP SEAN BELL !
RIP SEAN BELL!
RIP SEAN BELL!!!!!!!!!

PEACE AND BLESSINGS AHH FAMILY

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
April 27, 2008 11:28 PM
 

ShawtyCake said:

snoman718NYC said:
First of all,theres nothing wrong with going to a strip club on the eve of your wedding! Have you ever heard of a bachelor party.Second of all,if you have an altercation outside of the club and end up in your car to go home,thats called avoiding trouble and thinking about your fiance and family. THEN out of nowhere there are guys surrounding your car, NOT in uniform and with GUNS...what are your options? Wouldn't you think they were at least associated with the guys you had beef with???? If you say no,then you're lying. And just for the record...Mike Oliver was white and fired 31 of the 50 shots,meaning he EMPTIED OUT and RELOADED. You can make all the excuses you want.Thats MURDER. Go sit in your car,close the doors,then close your eyes and imagine 50 shots coming through your windows.Bottom line is this,there are good cops,but none of them were there that night. You clowns with the stupid comments are either white posing as black or just afraid of your own shadows and feel big typing dumb sh**. Peace
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I agree with you
April 28, 2008 1:00 AM
 

www.blacktree.tv said:

Well written...RIP Sean Bell
April 28, 2008 2:48 AM
 

TheOuncemaniak said:

@ agcarr


After reading your extensive excerpt,  what bothers me is your careless slandering of gangsta rap.  u say the black male will refer to the system or the white man as an alibi for their own deprivation.  yet u allegedly claim that this "thug music glorification" is a symptom of the problem.  aren't u pretty much doing the same thing u claimed the black man does, blaming something other than the real root of the problem.  u yourself also stated that society doesn't rest its head on the pillow but u do.  understandable, so going by that analogy would it be fair to blame gangsta rap for society ills when u clearly stated that every individual should be responsible for his or her actions? u have just as much of a right to not listen to it as u do if u wanted to. im tired of seeing gangsta rap unfairly sacpegoated for the unnecessary violence going on in neighborhoods.  if that really was the case, i'd love to hear whats in bin laden's ipod
April 28, 2008 3:28 AM
 

Pnobronx said:

Its funny how we have people making comments about "what's next" and how we are going to do nothing which is the truth but they never give away on what we should do next... Should we go outside and beat the living shit out of every white person we see police included. Would that be just cause, should we protest over at the white house LOL, How about we march our asses on over to the judges home and shot up his home and family. No matter what we do as a group of people it will always come out to the same light, and the same judges will be waiting to judge us so what should we do? We could join Bin Laden I'm sure he's still looking for a few good men... And what the fuck did rap music have to do with this case? No one was listening to NWA when the shots started and the smoke cleared. Should we blame Bush also while we are at it. Some people will blame anything for any reason, Three teens get shot and some ass will say his cat did it because the cat seen him kick my front door. People its not about race