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Royce Da 5’9” Says Drake Isn’t A “Lyricist”


(AllHipHop News) When news of Quentin Miller’s role in Drake’s songwriting process was revealed by Meek Mill, some in the Hip-Hop community wondered if it would hurt Drake’s credibility.

While the real impact of a Drake ghostwriter is questionable and likely depends on each listener, in a recent interview with VladTV Royce da 5’9” revealed he was “surprised” at the Hip-Hop world’s reaction.

In addition to that, he said that he no longer considered Drake as a top-tier lyricist after he heard word of Quentin’s role in the OVO songwriting process.

“Hip-hop is evolving a little slower than the other genres. If this is what it’s evolving into, as an OG I accept it, but I don’t choose to write like that,” Royce da 5’9” explained to VladTV.

In breaking down his thoughts, Royce said the crux of the argument lies in his definition of a lyricist.

“I think automatically the rules  do have to change a little bit when you are talking about ranking these artists and where they stand as far as best lyricist. You still got to put him in there as the best artist, you are still a great artist by pulling the songs together that way. You can’t take that away from him, but when you talk about best lyricist, I guess it comes down to what being a lyricist is to you. What is a lyricist to you?,” Royce said.

In addition to that categorization, he said that he doesn’t consider Drake as better than Kendrick or J Cole, who reportedly have a joint project coming out together soon.

“To me a lyricist is a writer, the word lyricist and writing go hand in hand to me. So you automatically can’t be a top-tier lyricist if you not writing everything. You gotta write everything to be a top-tier lyricist in my book.” Royce said.  “I’m not going to compare you to Rakim. I’ll call you the greatest of this era, but I won’t say you better than Rakim,  and I won’t say you better than Kendrick, and I won’t say you better than Cole – as a lyricist”

Check out the interview below:

  • The City

    Rass kass
    Game
    Em
    Rakim
    Jada

    • KashIsKlay

      Styles > Jada
      Lupe > Em
      Kendrick > Game
      Nas > Rass Kass

      • Savimbi

        Accurate!!!!

      • ursocalledgod

        I was with you until the styles over jada. NO WAY. love styles but cant do that one homie.

      • KashIsKlay

        He’s the more consistent rapper. Jada might kill a track and drop two trash ones after it. Styles will be nice on each of those

      • DrakeDoesn’tWrite

        COSIGN STYLES BEING BETTER THAN KISS! Lupe might be the goat lyricist.

      • KashIsKlay

        yup

      • Illatouch

        Who forgets, “i like em brown yellow puerto rican and hatian.” At an award show too.

    • ursocalledgod

      Game? really? lmao

    • hoeyuno

      Good list..Ras Kass was mad ahead of his time. . I still listen to Soul On Ice.

    • The City

      Lol Nas…I remember when Nas tried that little sneak diss at Rass on My Book of Rhymes…Rass reply was Nasty lol.

  • Juleo478

    I have been saying this from the beginning drake is a good rapper but you can’t put him up there with the legends simply because he uses ghost writers.

  • Drake fans… NOW WHAT! 😂😂😂

    Drake will go down in history as good. But I don’t care how many records he sells, he will NOT be mentioned as one of the best to ever do it when it comes to lyricism and being a true MC. He won’t. Meek Mill won’t either because he’s not a lyricist. But Drake definitely won’t because his pen game is questionable when it comes to trying to figure out who wrote it. What Royce is REALLY trying to say but is being political about is this…. DRAKE IS A POP STAR. A Cot-damned motherf*cking chart-surfing POP STAR! 😂😂😂. And ain’t nothing wrong with that. Get your paper. He doesn’t stand with the people. He stands with the TREND.

    But….

    He absolutely IS NOT a hip hop lyricist.

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  • NotTomFromMySpace

    Okay, so Royce is a better lyricist than Drake but still doesnt make better music. So what’s the point of this? Is it being considered a lyricist or making good music?

    • KashIsKlay

      Royce makes good music too

    • Savimbi

      bull caca!!!!! you must have never heard a full Royce album to even say that!!!!!

      • NotTomFromMySpace

        i have his albums and mixtapes. None on Royce’s albums are better then Drake’s fron to back. Royce can barely get people to buy his shit LMAO you can keep spitting opinion.

      • DeezNizutz

        Im guessin your Saying Mc Hammer is better then Drake then? He sold Albums…How about Vanilla Ice? He sold Albums too….

      • Joey

        Death is Certain shits all over anything Drake has ever put out.

    • Are you only listening to people on the top of the charts? If so, your music collection is highly suspect. The most impactful artists in every genre have been medium to minimal sellers at best. I could list 100 artists that weren’t sh*t on the charts but impacted their genre more than most artists who sold more. You need more math…. And maybe an ear and throat specialist. 😂😂😂

      • Savimbi

        a throat specialist is definitely needed to remove all of drake’s kids from the back of his filthy mouth!!!!!

      • NotTomFromMySpace

        cool story. I respect ya opinion. Thats all it is. lol this has nothing to do with radio. Royce cant barely get people to pay for his shit lol if we gonna talk facts, you cannot deny it. I said myself Royce is nice but he doesnt make better music track for track. Id much rather listen to Joell or Budden

      • Cool dude.

      • Okay so I see you altered your original statement. What you’re saying is fine if you’re just a basic ass music listener. You could be. I’m sure there are some Vanilla Ice / Milli Vanilli ass fans out there. 😂😂😂

        Real music lovers follow sales minimally. They follow what they like. You do seem like a Billboard magazine/ Wall Street Journal type of cat. Do your thing if that’s how you roll.

      • NotTomFromMySpace

        Opinions don’t pay the bills young boy lol $ talks

      • RichFromBX

        You should listen to Prhyme – if you don’t think that’s better than the garbage getting spins today you just a pop music head that’s influenced by everything but the music

    • James lewis

      Peace. There’s street ballers that don’t make a fraction of what the nba ballers get, but I’d bet plenty that a lot of those nba players wouldn’t dare play against those guys. They respect that some of these guys are really that good.

      • NotTomFromMySpace

        of course but that one aspect. They might can ball but theyre probably dumb, didnt finish school, criminals and etc. That cpunts just as much. Okay you have the skills but did nothing with it. It’s like saying one of those AND1 players wer better then NBA players They weren’t. There’s more to ball than skills. Mos Def got all the skill in the world but his music sucks track for track

  • Vinsanity

    Yea but today’s generation of fans don’t care, they think all these R&B rappers are the best toughest rappers ever, and All these dumb dance songs (video bait) are cool. Real, authentic hiphop today is a lost art. They let anybody in now, from Stolen identity, to Dancing crybaby ass R&B rappers….it shouldn’t even be called Hiphop anymore, it’s an insult….it’s so bad our best Hip-hop artist today is Kendrick Lamar.

    • hoeyuno

      There has always been millions of radio listeners who don’t care how the song comes together.

      • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

        Sinc yo mama shit you out yo peon race been had nuthin to say. U proven this as a fakt. Talk bout the millions of videos of you molessin dead fetuses and posstin em on line

      • hoeyuno

        Huh?? Don’t give up the ESL classes.

    • golder1

      Kendrick Lamar is not the best if those people cant deny he is great at what he does. The underground Hip Hop scence as well as artist who are not commercial like Kweli are around you just have to turn off the radio and tv because you want find them there. But when you talk about dance songs in Hip Hop and Hip Hop is a lost art and they let anybody in doesnt make sense. Hip Hop in the beginning was all about the party and must songs made were party jams(dance songs) No artist was doing hardcore rap till late 80′ early 90’s. As far as HipHop letting anyone in now a days, Vanilla Ice and a lot like him made it big in the golden age of Hip Hop. Hip Hop wasnt hardcore. Kid n Play, Will Smith, Father Mc, Dig Daddy Kane and even Public Enemy were not hardcore. Plus who watches videos?

      • Vinsanity

        Saw this coming, we aint talking underground cause i already know, we talking about face of hip-hop, mainstream. We don’t have to agree Bro, but the dances aren’t the same. Kids are the ones watching the videos, then copy the lame dance for the song…..Wait hold up did u just say Big Daddy Kane wasn’t hard? That happy rap you’re talking was party music that everybody could listen to without any worries and dance. But the new shit like soulja boy or Drake or Bobby Smurda or Quan, Young Thug etc etc all these dances are made for the song to make a video to get hits to get likes to create a buzz to get a fan base to get signed. All these dance songs and moves are re-tarded. It’s a big mind ph u ck……..Wait did u also say P.E wasn’t hard?

      • golder1

        Big Daddy Kane was not a hardcore rapper. That’s a fact. That’s why he couldn’t compete once gangsta rap era started. Kane even stated that in an interview. He was about the show, making up Dance moves, wearing suits. What so different from what Kid N Play did in the beginning compared to these young new artist. Even back in the day you had acts like Vanilla Ice. Were you dancing to Ice Ice Baby? And no P.E were not hardcore rappers. They were social activist who rapped about injustice, that’s different from being hardcore. And you can’t talk about Hip Hop without talking about the underground scene. And if social media and the internet were big in the 70’s and 80’s them n!gga would have used the same platform to create buzz, get a fan based, and get signed. Noone forces people to listen to today’s Rap if you don’t want to.

      • Vinsanity

        You’re obviously just a child and don’t know what dafuq you’re talking about. P.E are the Black Panthers of this rap shit, their biggest hit was Fight the Power, don’t know how much harder you can get. And When it comes to Kane you really don’t know what Dafuq you’re talking about. Kane was the walking image of Gangsta back then. The reason why they fell off is the same reasons all rappers fall off……Father time, Different styles. Back in the day Kane Style and flow was hardcore yea the times changed but that happens regardless. Even now it’s hard for the “Gangter” rappers who took over the 90 ‘s to be relevant. It’s a cycle. Just like today in music, the ehole thin has changed. And trust me I don’t listen to today’s garbage, my son does…….awe history repeats itself ( my Pops went through the same shit with me)……the cycle.

      • golder1

        Nigga Im far from a child. I grew up on P.E, Kane, Fat Boys, ect. I know what Im talking about youngster. P. E were not hardcore. Fight The Power spoke on social injustice but wasnt what people considered hardcore rap. I know the history of rap. Kane has given interview stating this same thing that fans considered him not harder enough. Kanes flow and style was sick. Kanes image wasnt Gangsta. You dont know what the hell u are talking about. Kane style was smooth and was the 1st rapper to wear suits and dance on stage. Plus he was the only rapper doing all female shows. Kane even talked about if he would have came out a couple years ago he probably would be considered the greatest rapper of all time. Kane said this out his mouth. Try again.

      • Vinsanity

        Before Eazy e every Gangsta wanted to be Kane .

  • Q.

    In other news, the desert’s dry, the Earth isn’t flat, and penguins can’t fly…
    Drake is equivalent to Rihanna: an industry-backed, moldable pop mannequin–one of many.

  • ursocalledgod

    ONE HUNID! if youre a lyricist YOU MUST WRITE ALL OF YOUR LYRICS. flat out. I fux with drakes music but best lyricist? naw he shouldn’t even be in the convo. I didn’t consider dude in that convo before this ghostwriter shyt came out.

    • golder1

      So is Snoop a lyricist when he allowed someone to write his whole album. Q.M has already stated he never wrote a rhyme for Drake but didnt help with ideas for his album, which most artist do but most artist dont give those people writing credits. Game even stated this same fact as well as Nas for his Untilted album. To me who cares. If people dont like it dont buy or support his music, its that simple. People get bent out of shape over the wrong thing.

  • DrakeDoesn’tWrite

    DUH!

  • BK

    stating the obvious

  • TheAfroRican

    (Florida and James Evans from the show Good Times voices) WE KNOW!!!

  • hoeyuno

    I think the OG’s give Drake too much credit. His songs are not that dope. And there has always been rappers who didn’t write their own music… Drake’s no different then Puffy, Will Smith, Dre. .. Just nobody questioned it back in the day

    • DeezNizutz

      Puffy Producer…Dre Producer…Will Smith? Imma need receipts on that one buddy.

      • Malik

        Puff never produced a record in his life.
        He did rubber stamp his name all over a lot of records though, I’ll give him that.

      • DeezNizutz

        Executive producers are still producers and have a great deal of influence on the overall sound and mood of the records etc…give the man his credit Damn…lol.

      • Malik

        Moron, as an EP, Puff had nothing to do with actual productions other than to shout ‘Take that, take that’. He had ‘Trackmasters’, Easy Mo Bee et al for that.

        He was more into budgeting, legal issues like copyrights and royalties. Same as Suge being an EP.

        Take these lessons with you and…lol some more.

      • DeezNizutz

        Look Lil Buddy…tho you seem to think you know much about the music world commenting on message boards doesn’t make you an expert. You sound like a wanna be honestly. Only a fool would invest time..money…energy etc..and not have a say and or influence on the music…seriously go have a seat.

      • hoeyuno

        Royce said Drake is good at putting songs together. That’s basically what Puff did in the 90s and threw in his verse written by whoever else was on the track. Nas wrote Will’s gettin jiggy with and we all know Dre’s story.

    • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

      I don’t know man. Those three you mentioned get a pass. I can’t put my finger on why it’s different for them but it just is. Maybe because it’s not in their style to rap about how ill they are on the mic. None of them do. Drake does that sometimes so it’s like, you should write your own stuff.

  • Phillip Fuller

    So to be a rapper you have to sell some albums right. This nigga got one luke warm song

    • James lewis

      Peace. There’s a distinct difference between rapper & lyricist. These are not necessarily interchangeable. Look into hip hop a little more deeply & you’ll find that Royce is considered a dope lyricist….album sales having nothing to do with being respected as a dope lyricist. Rappers aren’t necessarily lyricists. Some rappers are just rappers. True hip hop heads & true hip hoppers in the industry don’t look at album sales as one’s true worth in hip hop. Some of the most respected in hip hop are not top sellers. Peace

      • NotTomFromMySpace

        Mos Def got all the skill in the world but his music sucks track for track lol back packers are over rated

      • DeezNizutz

        Did you say Most Def’s music sucks? Go sit in the corner with your not knowing a damn thing ass. Sheesh.

  • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

    If you don’t write your own stuff, you’re not a lyricist. That simple.

    You’re welcome

  • James lewis

    Peace. Drake is one of the hottest of this era. Drake is in no way one of the hottest lyricists of this era because he doesn’t write his own lyrics. That’s an oxymoron. It’s that simple.

  • HyPhYMAN

    Drake is a bitchboy. His songs are highly forgettable and his lyrics ain’t $hit. I bet none of you dickriders can’t even name one song off his first album without lookin it up. F*ck drake and his blackberry.

  • StephenDedalus

    “I love ya like Millhouse love Lisa, I love ya like the ninja turtles love pizza”…. those are actual lyrics from a feature he did on a Game track. (i nearly threw my fuccin speakers out the window when I heard that trash). The reason that he is tolerated within the hip hop community is that he sells. Simple. 90% of the time he’s as whack as fuccboy icecream, but chicks and spice boys dig him. So if he hops on a lyricist record the track gets more exposure. Thats why eminem, weezy, Game, NaS, Jada etc have all worked with him.

    • Savimbi

      Please tell me you’re kidding about that line 😂😂😂😂😂

    • reg joe

      Why does he sell? Think about that. Those lines are relatable and he has the sack to say it. Folks can play hard all day, but who doesn’t recognize the Simpsons and the Ninja Turtles? Those lines equate to brilliant marketing. A lot of folks don’t understand that. Saying the same old crap in rap has gotten old. He is using relatable lines for the masses to devour. Folks are tired of hearing the same old stuff. Whips, bitches, drugs, shooting etc. Folks enjoy rappers that are relating lines in the direction of whats in their life and what they can observe. That’s progressive. J. Cole who is my favorite rapper is a story teller about real life and real situations. That’s what folks are starting to really relate to as hip hop isn’t consumed en masse by the hood anymore. The more relatable it is to its buying demographic, the more its going to sell to it. We can call names here all day, which is what folks on here tend to do when they don’t agree with folks (like two year olds fighting) but the reality is that is why it sells, and the more it sells the more folks will change their formula to duplicate that success.

      • StephenDedalus

        Dude…. I understand your POV, but you cant seriously defend some weak shit like that…. more importantly, the Game should be cut up for allowing it on his album.

        it was embarrassing… for all involved. Producers too.

  • Onwar Battle

    Drake bar: “We live in a time where it’s recreation to pull all your skeletons out your closet like Halloween decorations.”

    • StephenDedalus

      lol

  • Onwar Battle

    Drake bar: “Your idols become your rivals // you make friends with Mike, but gotta A.I. him for your survival”

  • Onwar Battle

    Drake bar: “without me, rap is just a bunch of orphans, but if I stay then this shit is a bunch of corpses // and me and my dread nigga from New Orleans, stashing money like hoarders off multi-platinum recordings”

    • I think a better title for what you’re writing would be….

      DRAKE CORPORATION BAR: PARENT COMPANY OF WHATEVER OTHER N*GGA WROTE IT…😂😂😂

  • Onwar Battle

    Drake bar: “I’m just hitting my pinnacle, you and p**sy identical // you like the f**kin finish line, we can’t wait to run into you”

  • Onwar Battle

    Drake bar : “You know it’s real when your niggas will take the fall for you //
    All loyal, so you keep egging me on
    And we goin have to crack your shell just to prove to you, you ain’t hard boiled””

    • Papi Peligro

      But did he write it?

      • Onwar Battle

        Don’t know or care. Not into it that much. I’m just into bars

      • reg joe

        Exactly! You like what you like and don’t need to explain anything to anyone. That’s a leaders mentality. No need to try and like what others like. Be you. Who cares who wrote it? When I hear a cut on the radio or wherever, I’m not thinking about who had a hand in the writing process. I’m thinking, this is nice and how much can I relate to it. Folks have to create BS instead of just enjoying life. Can I nod my head to it? Can I feel it? That’s all I need to know. Anyone else is entitled to like what they like or feel how they feel. Leaders don’t care if others have opinions that dissent from there’s. They don’t feel the need to name call like a 12 year old. They like what they like and keep on producing in life. Prof O

  • Onwar Battle

    Drake bar: “having lunch, debating Ferrari prices, 23 and going through a midlife crisis // but trust me, I still deliver like a midwife // and naw I’m not saying I’m the nicest I just live life like it”

  • Onwar Battle

    Drake bar: “Roll this and boost your rate up, it’s time that somebody paid up //
    A lot of niggas done came up off of a style that I made up // But if all I hear is me, then who should I be afraid of?”

  • Slaughtr

    The Truth no more words.

  • Markus

    This is the era of rap where anything goes and it’s all accepted. Aubrey comes out during the real hip hop era, he gets called out for being a fraud and doesn’t recover. His fans could care less so he gets away with it.

  • Papi Peligro

    Man lyricist also involves lyrics. And drakes last 2 albums have been devoid of them.

  • Anthony Mason

    According to some niggas on here Drake is a rap God….

  • STEPH

    He’s not a lyricist….He’s a performer…..Not even a n entertainer, because of his lack of dancing skills. Just a performer, he can perform the shit out of something someone prepares for him.

  • The Legendary Troll

    he didnt say anything wrong

    • Doesn’t days like this make you want to change your avatar? 😂😂😂

  • fitgameent

    No fan of Drake, but attempting to discredit him to boost your own Image/brand is corny. Besides his work with Eminem, how far has writing his own music got Royce?

    • Mikchek

      its actually gotten him pretty far…just because you dont see a lot of mainstream success don’t discount his body of work…He actually was very honest in the interview and gave Drake a lot of props

    • MR. UNDI$PUTED THE MOGUL

      How old are you 12 years old?!?!? If you think he’s discrediting Drake because what he’s saying is the truth then you need go back to listening songs from Sesame Street! You are as dumb & stupid as the people who used to say MC Hammer was the king of rap because he sold the most records!

    • HyPhYMAN

      Far enough to know he can rap his ass off. He was doin his thing on hell the sequel. Drake can’t see Royce bar for bar foh.

    • Soulrebel1

      Only some one who doesn’t understand hiphop comes to that conclusion,, stating his opinions that many true hip hop heads feel and Royce is dope just cause everyone doesn’t achieve same stardom doesn’t take away from the fact he can rap circles around a Drake…

    • How is he trying to discredit Drake? You clearly didn’t watch the interview. Try again.

      • BIG MIKE SOMETHING SERIOUS

        LOL, It was all over the internet yesterday, saying that, and like u said if u saw the interview, he’s just answering questions..

    • SAD_FACED_CLOWN

      Pretty far, he’s putting out quality shit most recently.

    • Noneya Business

      He right n at the end of the day Its Royce opinion and ppl like you are the reason why hip hop is the way it is now. If we took it back to when n!99@$ rhymed in cyphers u couldn’t come spit someone else’s 16 FOH. I’m tired of y’all culture volture fans. Its a difference from an Emcee and a Rapper and Drake is a rapper not an Emcee

      • KHova73

        N*gg@ say it twice!!!!👍🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👌🏿

      • Noneya Business

        Salute 💯💯

      • reg joe

        Why is Royce even speaking to what another man is doing? Do you and stop worrying about what others have going on. As far as folks spitting others bars, “Rappers Delight,” by the Sugar Hill Gang, was ghostwritten. It was covered so poorly that they even spelled out Casanova Fly’s name(Grand Master Caz) in it, who actually wrote the song. I’m the C-A-S an the O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y. Ghostwriting has been a part of hip hops history since the very first mainstream hit. It amazes me that folks still act like that doesn’t happen and itsnt a part of the process. I guess folks feel the need to try and stand out and make themselves feel special. Ghostwriting has always been a part of hip hop and will always be. Every genre of music uses ghostwriters or writers in general. We, as a culture have to stop worrying about what others have and don’t have, or are or are not doing. Do whats best for you and live your life. Prof. O

      • Does Caz spit other dudes bars?
        Caz / Cold Crush = Hip Hop / MC’s
        SugerHill Gang = Rap / Rappers

    • fitgameent

      I never said Royce couldn’t rap, first of all. But every musician thrives to get their music to the masses, and if it wasn’t for Eminem, he’d be another ‘lyricist’ that no one wouldn’t known about unless you were from Detroit. And why do I feel like you all would’ve agreed if those comments came from someone like RHQ or someone yall don’t like. Royce writes… good for him. Drake doesn’t. good for him. I don’t buy music from either. oh well.

  • TD King

    Only Way Drake can save his legacy is if in View from the 6 he pulls a Eminem moves
    (one song or skit explaining from A to Z the ghostwriting and all the song he didn’t wrote) he need to pull somthing up something big cuz now Drake legacy at the end of the day Meek fucc Drake up

  • NotTomFromMySpace

    Mos Def got all the skill in the world but his music sucks track for track idc what no one says. We can go thru all his lyrics and production. Horrible but the talent is there. Back packers are over rated. Just like the club music is bs and too much of it, same with the back packers. They all talk bout the same ishhh. Listen to what you like. Idc if i feel like bumpin to Waka ima do that, then play a Pac song and finish it with Summer 16 lol people act like u have to listen to one genre

    • Depends on which album you’re speaking about. Mos Def’s Black On Both Sides was beast! Production AND lyrically.

      • Yeah but MD’s production is rarely on par with his lyricism.
        Most Mos hits are lyrical jawnts that make a wack beat tolerable.

        Give Mos a hot beat & all of a sudden, everyone considers him the most underrated MC in the history of the planet.

      • Well… He and Nas have a lot in common. Nas can’t pick a beat for sh*t…

      • True!

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  • crm123456

    lol with a name like royce da 5’9 im gonna believe this bum lol.. washed up a ss n i gga

    • What did he say that was invalid?

      • StephenDedalus

        oh… his name is the problem? Thats some deep ass arrrrugumeenntaiooon my nicccuuu!

        Fucc off and go back to sleep clown

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  • Watch yourself Drake. Royce’s spit game is ferocious! And he is battle tested and hip hop approved. Now we will see if Drake is ready for some real hip hop. No singing over Royce’s way

    • DeezNizutz

      Drake wants nooo parts of that…

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