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Lord Jamar & Star Discuss “The Gay Agenda”, Drake, & The Native Tongues


(AllHipHop News) In the latest installment of their conversation with DJ Vlad, Star and Lord Jamar discuss what they call the “gay agenda,” segments of Hip Hop no longer representing the “alpha male,” and how members of the Native Tongues collective paved the way for current rap trends.

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“Don’t promote the gay agenda as if it has more merit than the f**king Black Holocaust,” said Star. “I have no problems with gays. God bless you, but just remember the people that got you to this point were hosed, beaten, lynched, castrated, and set a blaze. Nothing, with the exception of the Jewish Holocaust, surpasses the Black struggle.”

“This Hip Hop s**t was made by masculine Black and Latino males. This is the alpha male s**t,” adds Jamar. “Not even the beta male, who they’re pushing at us now. Your Drakes, and your f**king Kendrick Lamars and all these softer type of dudes.”

According to Jamar, Drake would not have been as successful if he had started his career in the 1980’s and 1990’s. He acknowledges Drake can rap, but his tendency to sing would not have been appealing to Hip Hop fans of the era.

The conversation then turns to some of the Hip Hop acts from that time that did break out like De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest. Jamar contends that it was the music from those 80’s/90’s rap groups that paved the way for artists like Drake.

“That was an introduction to a more a nicer- that pulled a lot more white people in,” says Jamar. “They were the forefathers for a lot of these rappers now.”

When Vlad specifically asked if De La Soul were the forefathers to Drake, both Jamar and Star answered yes. “A Tribe Called Quest too,” said Jamar.

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Watch the interview below.

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  • feeliama

    The Holocaust isn’t even close to black slavery, not even close. Black slavery was the worst tragedy known to mankind.

    • Ramesses The Great

      Thank you

    • Immortal

      Slavery was not the worst tragedy known to mankind. The Jews were taken, stripped, raped, killed, and their possessions taken. What did they get for their troubles; Israel permanent protection from the Arab world by the US, and the fact that many of the persecuted Jews are some of the most successful entrepreneurs in the US. Ok all the things that happened to the Jews happened to us. Afterwards what did we get; Liberia. Who the fcuk claims Liberia? Who the fcuk cares about it? Anyone been there? Any tourist destinations there? Do they have permanent protection from the world by us? Any good entrepreneurs from there have any lasting impact of the US or world? All we can remember is the 40 acres and a fcukin mule. WTF are we going to do with that today? The worst tragedy known to mankind is that fact that as a race we have not progressed very far in the eyes of the world. Yes we have made some damn good strides, but on the whole, we are still the hunters and gatherers from Africa. The mindset hasn’t changed and where other races plan for longevity in their actions, we live in the moment, and for the moment by buying dumbsh*t that has no resale value, no value over time, and does nothing to raise the conscious thought of our race. We glorify the killing of our own in our music, yet we want to say that’s ok. We have killed more of our own through drugs and violence than the Holocaust did. We have abandoned our seeds, their future, and their dreams along with the Queens that are their mothers. One in Eight black men have been through the system. That’s not the white mans fault, it’s ours because we make the situation, know the repercussions, and continue on with it. Bottom line WE are the worst thing to happen to mankind due to the mindset, the indifference to each other, our past, and our future, the fact that we are still wanting a handout rather than striking out and getting it ourselves, demanding better for ourselves longer than it takes to smoke that blunt, realizing that we were once Kings and Queens from the most significant continent in ancient history and failing to grab that past, that power, that respect and making it count in todays world.

      • fvckyolife

        Are you crazy, white or a self hater?(if black) My people are and will be fvcked up for generations to come behind slavery. Do you think that all the atrocities, rape, whippings, lynchings and other demeaning sh*t just goes away? I was recently watching 12 years a slave and the fact that those type of things even happened is embedded in our DNA. It might not affect us all we are all born strong but life as a black man tries to tear you down and if you don’t know your self worth you can and will fall victim to society. As of yet there has not been any crime against humanity worse than slavery. This is only my opinion of course.

      • Immortal

        I’m far from a self hater, but I see what is out there. The only thing in my DNA that I was born with was the will and desire to succeed. Not at the expense of my people, but to take the hard road and make it work. I don’t need a movie(s) to galvanize me or embolden me with strength or false/temporary motivation. I know what has happened, I know what is happening, but I choose to look forward drawing from my past, and the lessons my parents taught me. Am I crazy? No we just have a difference of opinions and there is nothing wrong with that. That’s the whole point of discussion. All the things you mentioned mean nothing if we are not able to take those lessons learned and use them. What have we learned from slavery? Where have we taken an injustice and made justice from it? Who are the definitive leaders in the black race? Ross, 50, Uncles Al and Jessie? There are none, and with that the duty to learn, regroup, refocus, and in a sense rebirth lies with us. And slavery has not stopped. Child “soldiers” taken from their families and made to kill, mothers and daughters sold into prostitution, means slavery is alive and well, just that a blind eye has been turned to it in it’s modern forms.

      • johnblacksad

        I’m right behind you no homo (sorry for half-trollin on a serious subject)

        You nailed it, slavery is still on… injustice is a different subject… the Holocaust wasn’t about enslaving another race or a matter of superiority… it was about completely getting rid of a whole race! At least with us black people, they needed us to pick the cotton (just dedramatizin…)

      • Elayorx El

        Immortal, I’m feeling your whole presentation fam, word up, but some folks are just not educated enough to have this discussion. What your talking, and advocating, requires a full-scale assault fearlessness, and TRUE education about our history, to even begin to sift through the madness. I’m not sure why we engage in these frivolous “competitive” arguments, but it is clear the Middle Passage was one of the most “unspeakable”, eons beyond shameful acts, ever perpetrated against anyone, or anything. Unspeakable, is quoted in the last sentence, because that is exactly what is going on now, where no one talks, in any capacity, what Slavery was really all about, which gives folks license to say whatever they must, about the Jewish Holocaust, which has always seemed to be the topic of discussion, ever since I’ve been growing up here in America, even amongst those who are not Jewish, German, etc. It’s almost as if things have been programmed to be that way, but when I intensively research the Holocaust, as they put it, I come across many inconsistencies. I don’t hear anyone saying anything about this, and why, because we are mostly cowards, which is the very same thing that will keep us exactly where we are, not to mention the many clandestine, and complex intrigues to undermine these same efforts, Immortal, you say are not there, and have existed, but do not get talked about, since all of this mess began! I could go on, but in all honesty fam, the truth is MUCH stranger than fiction, INDEED! Respect.

      • Immortal

        Thanks fam. We ALL have something to put on this subject, being that NO ONE knows it all, but ALL know something. That something is what makes us smarter than we were yesterday, and could give us a new view on tomorrow. So if going back and forth promotes dialogue, then I’m all for it. Each One Teach One. Tomorrow is in our hands.

      • Elayorx El

        No doubt. Real talk.

      • johnblacksad

        See my reply to @feeliama:disqus … respectfully, and I’m black…

        nothing was worse than the DEATH FACTORIES… solely opinion there too bruh!

      • killerkm

        2 words Derby’s Dose and that’s a fraction of the Maafa. did they lose their culture, their native tongue, any recollection for ancestors of slaves to find their bloodline is beyond diminished we are Africa’s bastards hoe nigga that’s not to mention the horrific side-effects and with that being said please dance around some land mines and do the Lord’s work

      • Immortal

        You could’ve taken the time to give insight but rather you’d sit behind that keyboard and give nothing to help the discussion further. You gave a punishment given to runaway slaves, and the native tongue of the African Holocaust. Nice. Now for those that didn’t know what either of those meant, where are you passing any knowledge to them? Where are you trying to teach? I’m not going to degrade myself by insulting you, because it’s what’s expected, so I’ll go ahead and dance over those landmines that you neglect to properly deal with and continue doing the Lords work.

      • killerkm

        when it comes to a point where centuries of a people’s suffering is minimized to an event and that’s not to say that the holocaust wasn’t inhumane (this isn’t a chest beating contest) that’s grotesque and irresponsible of you, so I my output is exactly that. don’t get it fucked up

      • Immortal

        And don’t you get it fucked up either. You are not bringing anything to the table, so this is pointless. Like I said before, if you’re not trying to be part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. You want to live in yesterday, then die in it if that’s your choice. I know what happened yesterday and will not repeat it, and if I can tell others along the way then I’m doing the right thing. And if you read the post’s before mine, there was a comparison between the two where I clearly stated: “Bottom line WE are the worst thing to happen to mankind due to the mindset, the indifference to each other, our past, and our future, the fact that we are still wanting a handout rather than striking out and getting it ourselves, demanding better for ourselves longer than it takes to smoke that blunt, realizing that we were once Kings and Queens from the most significant continent in ancient history and failing to grab that past, that power, that respect and making it count in todays world”.

      • killerkm

        I fully understand the semi Marcus Garvey(ism) you spitting, and I’m wit it but we cant deny atrocities bruh. And its simple when you have no knowledge of yourself you’re lost, but once you open ya eyes and see the beauty of black you’ll realize that we’re not lost just undiscovered. “Bottom line WE are the worst thing to happen to mankind” is a brainwashed statement look up the Moors, Hannibal, and bios on Oprah, Farrah Grey an many more .Nigga we built mankind

      • Immortal

        ” realizing that we were once Kings and Queens from the most significant continent in ancient history and failing to grab that past, that power, that respect and making it count in todays world.” I know we built what is known as the modern world. It’s all around us, especially when you look at architecture, economics, and education. And what I stated isn’t a brainwashed statement, again look at what the average black person looks up to, what they value, where they think they came from vs where they actually came from, how many actually know their history beyond the 60’s, let alone know their family history past their grandparents is a fail on our parts. My eyes are wide open, after I was schooled by an elderly family member on what I thought I knew, and realized how much of it was wrong, incomplete, or didn’t happen the way I thought it did. I learned that history is made by the victor not the victim, and while we have been the victors for thousands of years, we have now become the victim and our history of today is being written for us, That needs to stop. I’m going to stand by what I said because while it may sound “shocking”, “elitist”, or even “ignorant”, but none the less it’s true. There is nothing in the world a black hand hasn’t had a touch of influence in, but we need to change some of what we “influence” today and become the victors again to write our own history.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        FOH with the “we were once Kings and Queens argument..”

        What, every African was a King or Queen?? C’mon son..

      • Immortal

        Did I say “all of us” were Kings or Queens? I said we were once Kings or Queens in the sense of history in Africa, and as far as I’m concerned it’s going to stay that way. Don’t like it, you’re entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Get over it

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        ‘We’ implies all, otherwise it would be ‘in our countries there were kings and queens”. Now obviously basically every country has kings and queens so that statement wouldnt be particularly empowering unless it was implied that all of us were once kings and queens.
        Countries only have one or 2 kings and queens anyway so how many do you think actually were??
        On another note, way before we were kings and queens we were also single celled amoeba…but that doesn’t quite have the same ring to it though does it?

    • johnblacksad

      I don’t think there should be levels of evil but if we really had to sort them out… the Holocaust ‘wins’, simply because INDUSTRIAL FACTORIES were built to kill a certain group of people… that alone almost makes slavery ‘understandable’, at least it wasn’t even out of pure hate, but more like these fcukers needed somebody to pick the cotton… aargh the hell with it… but that Holocaust sh!t tho… that was the worst in mankind… can you believe building factories for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible? I’m not talkin ‘traditionnal’ war nor even crushing your enemy because you outweigh him… I’m talkin STRAIGHT DEATH FACTORIES! I believe Auscwhicht (possible typo) had a capacity of 10k or 20k deaths/day…

      As soon as technology allowed us to have an industrial revolution, the first thing we was able to think of doing, was to build factories dedicated to killing men, women and children… and that’s just fcuked up!

      • You make a good point here. I visited one of those places. They were indeed death factories. Especially in german bureaucracy you would get a letter, you have to come to the local police office and register. They would add, please bring your proof to show you are indeed of “arian (white, blond, blue eyed)” origin. If you couldn’t or even were circumcised they would simply force you o wear a star of david banner on your arm and weeks later they would knowck on your doors and force you to take a train to Auschwitz.

      • Elayorx El

        More research on this subject would be HIGHLY recommended!!

    • Luke James

      you are talking garbage – there are lots of worse things = like having your people killed off and your homelands stolen . Blacks may not have asked to be slaves but they did get Haiti – Jamaica and many other Islands that belonged to native peoples , but you will never get black people to admit that there was good ( for them not for the native peoples ) that slavery bought there sons in centuries to come . .

    • Sean Taylor

      Nigga please. Egyptian slavery was 1000000000000000000000000x worse. Stop frontin’ like you ain’t know….really dough!

  • John Q. Public

    An old stubborn man talkin crazy shit…. they come in every race and color

    • Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinson

      Stop playing the age card. Dude was asked an opinion and because he went against the gay agenda people are trying to trash him from every angle.

      If an artist that was more relevant came out and said half the things he said yall cats would be applauding.

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  • Tom Sheppard

    Brand Nubian wasn’t on no gangsta shit tho….& Tribe/De La Soul weren’t gat or crying about females on every song like Drake. definitely two different types of music. Tribe was a more dope than Brand Nubian too

    • scullyson

      Simply a matter of preference my brotha. Personally myself I appreciated both and still do.

      • Rmfag

        Both have pretty tasty cocks too!

      • Luke James

        you are welcome to there cocks , I can not think off any thing worse than blowing off these ugly fools.

      • LamarG1

        Why are we even discussing these morons! No way can you place lord stupid into tribe, delasouls shoes. If this hater disappeared tomorrow, nobody would notice! He’s the racist hater nobody!

    • Thomas Smith

      your missing the point man of what they are saying…..smfh

      • golder1

        Jamar has no point.

  • justus182

    Does Star have tourettes or what? Dumbass can’t sit still, plus he’s just one of those stupid fuckers you want to punch in the face for no reason, just because.

  • Immortal

    Dude, there is a time and a place for everything. If you have such strong feelings about where the rap community is headed vs where you want it to be, then stop talking about it and be about it. Doing these “interviews” makes you look like an old stubborn man who never realized that polyester shirts and corduroy slacks went out of style. Make a cd, do some shows, a mixtape even. But b*tching about something with no clear solution makes you the b*tch in the end. And to drop names of legendary groups? Are you mad that no one did you on VH1 yet? Neither of those groups had nothing to do with the style that Drake and Kendrick have now. Ja Rule is closer to Drake with the singing, but that’s about it. Drake is Keith Sweats illegitimate son on wax. Kendrick has his own style taken from the old, but mixed with the new. If you can’t say something productive just shut up.

  • Rmfag

    Let me get this “straight”.
    This dude comes str8 out of Aladin and we are supposed to take his word for it?
    FOH, sit down and let me suck you off.

    Because noone else is checking for you babycakes………
    Macklemore is relevant and you will deal! *starts sucking*…………

    • johnblacksad

      lol @ “straight” but no homo tho

  • Terrance Goodman

    I agree with portions of his comments hiphop did start as am alpha make genre of music. Now it’s hoes, $$ etc

  • David Gonz

    hes right. i was never a fan of nice guy/halfway gay rap. all them native sons are botti boys do some research

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  • Steven

    This rap today is trash. Doesn’t compare to the 80’s

  • Elayorx El

    Lord J has been popping up lately, reminding me of how great his contribution was with Brand Nu, and I salute those brothers, and thank them very much. However, I gotta disagree with him to a degree on this one. Drake’s style may be like ODB’s, cause I’m not really seeing too many fathers to it. From my view, Hip-Hop has for the most part always had elements of singing, with a few examples being KRS, Slick Rick, Mos Def, A3, Lauryn, Ja, 50, even Nas, etc. There have been a few others, but Drake sets himself apart, and this is where I agree with Lord, with more emo, K. Sweat style, not to mention the region where he is from. Being from the Dot, I never thought I’d see the day when someone from T, would be the best in the game.(shout out to K. Official) Kendrick is nice, but Drake got it locked right now, and I don’t know about the rhetorical, reverse-retroactive way we tend to have, of making judgements about people now, and how they may have fared in times past. Who really knows for sure? It is clear though, that Drake is a true fan, and wants to be great at this, which is why I think he did his last opus solo, without the team, to show, and prove. Well, at least that’s what I hope the reason was. Miss you on NY radio, Star!

    • Opposite Of Everyone

      I lost you at “best in the game”….

      Rap without the rawness is like a broken pencil; pointless…
      …the only thing The Human Croissant has ‘set himself apart from’ is the essence of hip-hop itself.

      • hoeyuno

        You made it to “best in the game”?

      • johnblacksad

        LMAO

      • Elayorx El

        Fam, go peep “Aston Martin”, the lost verse, and tell me if he ain’t the nicest right now. Strong comments, but considering the gravity, I need more examples, so we can all be, “on point”. Respect.

    • Vic Logic

      Lil’ Wayne fathered Drake’s style son…

      • Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinson

        And Cam and the Diplomats fathered Wayne’s style.

      • Elayorx El

        Good lookin my G, can’t forget Gilly too!

    • ItGoesDownINtheDM

      yeah but he singing to the bitties … in light of that future has it on lock to … so does sage the gemini …. ijs they are catering to the females …. lol …. jayz used to do the same but he always had heat for the streets too … imo thats a much bigger feat then making music strickly for woman … woman will support anything … just look @ some of the music they dance to talking all this crazy recklessness but if you try to say the same ish directly to a female you may get smacked … they are the true root to all evil …. go ask adam lol ……

      • Elayorx El

        I’m paraquoting here, but one of the greats said, “Cater to the women, and the fellas will follow”. I’ll let you figure out who that was. Respect.

  • johnblacksad

    This is too much now… I can only take so much gay topics no homo

    Jamar I did dance to your ministry and all in the past but just chill out… let people do them

    I don’t fcuk with Drake and plenty of other artists but obviously a lot of people do, why worry about that?

    • hoeyuno

      I’ve tried to like drake. I really wanted to but he’s just sooo corny.The Wu tang forever track was disgusting. I wanted to stab my ear drumbs with a rusty screwdriver..I think method man should kidnap drake, sew his asshole closed and keep feeding him and feeding him…..

      • ItGoesDownINtheDM

        lol

      • ItGoesDownINtheDM

        drake aint that bad but hes def not my cup of tea either … but he has more than enuff fans to worry about me buying a disc lol .

      • hoeyuno

        O for sure. And I’d trade bank accounts with dude in a heartbeat…..I’m Canadian though and the last thing I wanna do is hate on the dude but he opened a door and slammed it shut. I mean I guess he doesn’t owe anybody shit but……On a none hating note that song/video he did in Memphis with his father was pretty dope.

      • Elayorx El

        LOL….I can’t disagree with you here.

    • Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinson

      They asked his opinion and he responded.

  • hoeyuno

    Funny how a couple months ago when jamar started voicing his opinion he was in a beater with a fucced up haircut looking like he ain’t made a dollar in two decades and newer videos dudes got fresh profits and new jackets..Vlad cutting him cheques to talk ish…jamar and star are two peas in a pod though. Shout out to star!! Still the best hip hop radio personality…in my opinion.

  • hoeyuno

    Go on YouTube and watch the video “ruff, rugged and raw” PMD &Das Efx…that’s what hip hop is supposed to sound like.

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  • Luke James

    Nothing except the jewish holocaust surpasses the black struggle ? What about the native American peoples ? What they were subject too is why worse than what the black people had to deal with . These people are so full of them selves .

    • You’re right on. Native Americans had it worst and it’s still not over. They have been forced out of their country (USA) been remixed with spanish, relabled as Mexicans and are now denied entry to their original home (USA).
      The Jewish holocaust was just 6 years. How long did slavery take place? And how many Africans even died on the slave ships. The number should be far more than 6 million. I’m not saying the holocaust wasn’t bad.

    • ItGoesDownINtheDM

      hey he slipped up im sure if vlad mentioned that he would of agreed

    • arrdeesss

      Not so much. They still rank 3rd.

  • arrdeesss

    Wasn’t rappers from his era like Slick Rick, Kwame, Biz and ODB (to name a few) singing on tracks? Where was his comments back then? Brand Nubian did their thing back in the day but cuz comments are gonna make him come off old and bitter now.

    • Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinson

      They weren’t singing as much as that Drake was and the ones that were treated it like a comedy act. I will agree that in the golden era Hip Hop Drake wouldn’t have been as big be he would have had a nice audience.

      • ItGoesDownINtheDM

        yup even nas but no one was actually SINGING lol they were on some MAX B ish except they acknowledged that they werent real singers LOL #maxblaugh lol …. but drake is actually titling himself a singer … hes trying to hold a tune … he even got RnB singers trying to step thier ish up cause they feel hes jumping in thier lane ….. jarule was one of the first but drake is taking it to new heights ……. but @ the end of the day its all music …. infuse it ALL !!

      • arrdeesss

        C’mon son! Weren’t singing as much? Whats the cut off then homie? Singing is singing.

  • Now I can usually rock with a lotta the shit Jamar been sayin, problem is these effeminate niggas these days tend to get all up in their feelings anytime it’s someone THEY like bein spoke on. Only part Jamar lost me on is comparin Aubrey to Tribe and De La…they mighta been different, “weird”, etc…but they were promotin self-awareness, not open moistness. So it’s apples and oranges, no comparison. Picture Q-Tip or Pos comin out talkin about goin thru their girl’s shit while she’s in the bathroom or any of that other overly emotional bullshit Aubrey’s always goin on about, guarantee we wouldn’t be talkin about the Native Tongues right now…and bein part of the Tongues himself, one would think Jamar woulda had that in mind when he made that statement. Other than that I’m feelin what he’s sayin, they dulled the blade on Hip-Hop’s sword a long time ago with all the simple ass paint-by-numbers shit…now with this passive/moist shit they’re just tryin to drive the nail in the coffin for Hip-Hop’s credibility.

    • Obi Won

      LOL @ “open moistness”, you a fool for that one cuz.
      True words though, Tip was spitting smooth words trying to hit, not sing to the broad just to spoon with her.

      • LMAO Right. This nigga Drake got fools out here standin outside the bedroom windows of broads they just met at the club the night before (and didn’t even crease), serenadin em and shit. Got em goin to the strip joints gettin private butterfly kiss sessions.

    • ItGoesDownINtheDM

      “but they were promotin self-awareness, not open moistness.” ……. lol truuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

      • Fam I’m tellin ya, that cat Aubrey is a cardboard box in a thunderstorm, so moist that the slightest tough will make it fall the fukk apart. LOL

  • On another note. I dunno what Jamar’s gay agenda is about.
    Wasn’t Brand Nubian the first Rap group to ever have a ladyboy
    in their videos? Brand Nubian – Love Me or Leave Me Alone
    Maybe he forgot that. Tribe and De La were another time.
    Even Brand Nubian were not Gangsta, they were street. Authentic
    street. I am a big fan of their music. Same as I love Tribe and De La.
    In the early 90s you had that creative freedom. Now you have the
    money machine who try to squeeze the last juice out of the product.
    Hip-Hop in the early 90s was less profitable but much more balanced.
    You could play Spice-1 right after Souls of Mischief or Akinyele.
    Now we had 10 years of gangsta rap since 50 cent. Now the labels try
    to sell soft music. It’s a cycle.

  • Obi Won

    I don’t think its a gay agenda in music, I just think its what sells right now. This ish isn’t going to last for long, its just a fad. True music sux now a days, but at some point I remember as a youngin, some old heads got tired of the gangsta persona. EVERYONE was making gangsta music. Big ass jeans, timbs, etc…, I do partially agree with his Alpha male theory, but everybody aint gotta be hard to be a Alpha male. Dudes like Outkast (minus love below), ATCQ, Del La, still held it down, but were far away from G rap which was popping. Even BTNH were singing/harmonizing but played a prominent role, but you didn’t think Bone was soft or Beta Male like.

    • ItGoesDownINtheDM

      lol @ its what sells … so you brought some gay ish lol ?? its not what sales imo it generates word of mouth talk … if anything …. i see it as free promo … throw some gay ish in your program and watch some people PRAISE IT … and OTHER HATE ON IT …. thus generating coversation ………. imo it doesnt generate GREAT REVENUE THOUGH to the point everyone is jumping on the bandwagon … altho it has worked wonders for macklemoore …… but not in the sense where it presents QUALITY …. if anything EQUAL OPPURTUNITY but thats about it …

      • Obi Won

        lol, HELL NO, I don’t buy that gay ish!! I’m saying, people seeing Wayne wearing and promoting Trufit, I had no idea that it was a real clothing line until I saw it in Macy’s. I’m like damn this ish is for real. The leggings, the blouses, the skirts, I hope & pray that ish dies out QUICK.
        That shock value did work for Macklemore, but still everyone I knew brushed him and that song off. Still sales or not its sending the wrong message, that crap is already excepted on TV, if it creeps into out Hip Hop culture its a wrap.

  • I think its half and half there is sometype of agenda and at the same time its the sales – the gay population is crazy and growing more by the day – is it the water, is it the music etc..??? either way these dudes are trying to get every fan possible, if you’re on the anit gay tip you’re only limited to a certain crowd of fans/consumers. For example like some people mentioned Macklemore – he did that song and that shtt blew up through the pro-gay, and gay community his fans or sales increased by a nice percentage. At the same time you have these artist that have “management” telling them go ahead and take off your shirt, pose like this, wear that, do this etc… and some of those things are to attract the gay community by doing some of that there they can have influence on a lot of things from the people to the hip hop scene as a whole…

  • Heart of a Slave, Blood of a k

    I do believe that groups like cats like Fresh Prince, kid and play, L.L. gave guys a lane to not be tough guys. And for that, they could be said to be predecessors of these beta males like Wiz, kendrick and drake. However, there was a tone of faux aggression in their lyrics just like their is now. Where they still try to talk like an Alpha. Meaning Hip hop hasnt lost is Alpha male compass, there just arent Alphas repping in the square right now.

  • Dan_Tebasco

    Jamar is starting to look like Professor Griff (former Public Enemy member) talking about the illuminati controlling rap with the gay agenda

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