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Jay Z Catching Heat For Five Percent Nation ­Medallion

(AllHipHop News) “I’m ready to chase a Yakub back in a cave,” rapped Jay Z on his “We Made It” verse with Jay Electronica. The line may have gone over a lot of people’s heads, but those familiar with the teachings of the Five Percent Nation caught the reference.

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It appears the Hip Hop mogul’s supposed connection with the Nation of Gods and Earths is now catching criticism. Most notably, the star medallion associated with the group seen around Jay’s neck at a Brooklyn Nets game has publications like the New York Post implying the rapper is supporting racism by wearing the chain.

The Five Percent Nation was founded by Clarence 13X in 1963 after splitting with the Nation Of Islam. Five Percenters believe that the Black man was the original man, the creator of civilization, and the personification of God.

Their name derives from the idea that 10% of the population (the elites) manipulates and controls 85% of the population that is unaware of the true nature of human control. The remaining 5% work to enlighten that 85% of the truth.

This is not the first time that Jay was seen with a similar medallion. He also wore a piece during an interview with The Breakfast Club last year.

Even Five Percenters are apparently questioning Jay’s decision to wear the medallion as well.

“Jay Z is not an active member — no one has vouched for him” said 5 Percent representative Saladin Allah to The Post. “It was always understood that you don’t wear the ­regalia if you don’t totally subscribe to the life.”

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  • Ryan Cole

    I doubt Jay is a Five Percenter. He does alot of shit like this without knowing the meaning of it. He supported Occupy Wall Street without knowing what was going on. Rocked Che Guevara shirts without knowing the history. He also rocked white Jesus pieces.

    • golder1

      Jay is a smart dud and knows we he is doing and the meaning behind it. He support Occupy Wall Street because he believed in the movement just like countless other celebs. He wore Che Guevara he respected his fight. Che story is well document and most people who can read know the history. 3rd white Jesus piece has he rocked that was white. Ive never seen a white iced out chain. Try again!

      • Willie Stewart II

        He obviously doesn’t understand that you don’t wear a five percent nation chain if you’re nobody in the five percent nation can vouch for you.

      • Savimbi

        and how do we know he hasn’t been vouched for already? if i recall the 1st time he was seen with the chain was back in his breakfast club interview, that was 2013, no one up until now, no one within the 5 percenter hierarchy has come out to say Jay shouldn’t be sporting the chain…unless i missed something…

      • Willie Stewart II

        When I see somebody speaking up for him I’ll believe someone can vouch for him. If you see somebody at a family get together and nobody can speak up for who invited the nigga you just gonna let him stay?

      • Tall Shon or T.S

        how do we know if know one can vouch for him?

      • golder1

        Why because 1 person who doesnt speak for the whole base says so. Please plenty of artist who claim 5% who havent been so called vouched for.

      • Willie Stewart II

        Plenty of wannabe gangstas I went to school with claimed blood or crip. That doesn’t mean they really were.

      • He didn’t believe in the OWS movement, he tried to exploit the movement to line his own pockets…you don’t remember all the heat he caught for those Occupy All Streets shirts he was tryin to hawk? Besides, how can he believe in somethin that was against the very type of people he’s tryin so hard to be accepted by? That’d be pretty counterproductive.

    • rocnation30

      he rocked a MAO shirt as well , i actually does think he knows all the history on those cats u named he chose to wear them because he love to see people with no lives make a big deal outta nothing….CHE Gueverra was a bad dude but he was also very smart….u can take the good and leave the bad always…

      • Ryan Cole

        So you’re one of the most famous people in the world, have everything going for you, and you have nothing else to do but do things simply for reaction? I doubt that. He’s never been one to create his own lane.

  • Willie Stewart II

    That’s what happens when you give niggas money. They take your belief system and turn it into a fashion statement. Most of these niggas wearin jesus pieces don’t see the inside of a church.

    • Ryan Cole

      The bigger your Jesus jewelry, the closer you are to the Lord.

      • MrNoName2K

        lol i remember when niggas was runnin round with them big ass Jesus pieces..

    • golder1

      Is that your believe system? And how do you know he doesnt agree with some of the 5% views. He doesnt need their authority to believe what he wants to believe. This is much to do about nothing

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  • The Legendary Troll

    the dude is rich. he can wear what he wants

    • anemia716

      you don’t have to be rich to wear what you want…

      • j_pullia

        Great point!

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        well if you want to wear Platinum and minks it certainly helps to be…

  • BUDDAPALM_yABIZZaZZ

    I BEEN seeing Jay wearing the symbol for a while now. Its only now people catching on! lmao! Sleep if you want to, Jay was reading scrolls and all kinds of black awareness/enlightenment information for longer than u think. SO was JAZ-O.

    • Brooklyn Stoop

      before the illuminati crap nagas was saying that jay came up under York and how he is “using” the knowledge her learn from the Nation of Gods and Earth for “evil”………….THEN illuminati rumors trumped the 5% argument and Jay damn near wanted to be and appeals only to whites. now he dropping some 5% knowledge and rocking a chain he said he borrowed from a homie and now he a “racist” 5%er…… amazing

      • rocnation30

        I agree..People are crazy…no lives thats why he’s able to get these cats join…

    • rocnation30

      I agree..

  • ZUBU

    “Jay Z is not an active member — no one has vouched for him” said 5 Percent representative Saladin Allah to The Post. “It was always understood that you don’t wear the ­regalia if you don’t totally subscribe to the life.”
    **Word! That sums it up**

    A. Jay would never be a God, nor Bey an Earth. They would have to choose between reaching and teaching the masses, or raping the masses …oops…. I meant they can continue to pursue relative wealth and be adored by many.

    B. The powers that be would NEVER allow any person reaching and teaching the masses in a positive form to become as powerful and wealthy as the aforementioned have become.

    Essentially Jay being a 5% God is an oxymoron, it is impossible

    • golder1

      Nobody will be a God idiot. He doesnt force people to support his music and other business ventures. So basically no one rich can be a 5%.

      • ZUBU

        “Nobody will be a God idiot.”
        Nice way to refute my comment son, by calling me an idiot because you don’t agree with my opinion. Boy if you don’t have any knowledge of self then of course you could never view yourself or others as True And Living G O D’s…….. I forgive you son.

        Now take yo lil’ nappy head asss outside an play with the other kids, While Grown Folks Are Talking………

      • golder1

        You made that dumbass statement first. I repeated it to show how ignorant it was. So thank you, you proved my point idiot. I called you an idiot becasue your comment was idiotic. You put a whole bunch of words together and said absolutetly nothing. Now take your young broke ass and sit at the kiddie table, your not old enought to sit at the grown folks table.

    • rocnation30

      i doubt he wants to be one….considering his mother is a devoted jehova witness…..i think it was more along the lines of him actually appreciated some of the knowledge …..i repeat some of the knowledge the 5 percent nation has to offer thats it…

  • Troll_E_G

    How can Jay b racist yet everywhere I look …its a White Gawd

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  • Hezakya Starr

    RZA and ODB been Wearing that Medallion Since the 90’s! At one point in the late 80’s early 90’s…5 Percenters Controlled Hip-Hop…all the greats had 5 Percent themes in their rhymes and you had to be affiliated with them in some way to be taken seriously in New York. That’s when hip-Hop was Concious and good. When whites were scared of Rap Music. So i dont mind that a White Mainstream Media Darling like Jay-Z rocks the Chain..it will hopefully bring awareness to the Ideology…and hopefully Concious Hip-Hop will rule Mainstream once again.

    • ghettogov

      That’s so true almost all my favorite rappers was on that Shit….I ain’t mad at jay either….don’t kill the messenger…

    • ursocalledgod

      hopefully homie…hopefully. cause the state its in right now…smfh

    • Ean Frank

      White people are so scared of Hip Hop, that’s why they bought 80% of the albums

      • Hezakya Starr

        Yes they Sure did…back in 1988-89…all the White and Hispanic kids in my Neighborhood had all the N.W.A and 2 Live Crew tapes…and i would go over to their house and listen to them…because my Mom’s was’nt having that shit in her house…those kids grew up off of Ac/Dc and Ozzy..so Rap was like Punk to them. Their parents tolerated Cursing and all that. They really knew and was of the culture…but in 1989-1990-91 you’re average Middle American White person HATED Rap…and seen it as a threat…especially when Public Enemy and Ice Cube came out. They did’nt even Televise The rap at the Grammys until recently, i’ll say that’s “Scared”…Now it’s safe and Docile..they can televise it. Can you imagine if Ice-T’s “Cop Killer” or “Fucked The Police came out today?! It was a BIG deal back then..but today..Ice-T or N.W.A would’nt survive the fall-out. You see Vanilla Ice did’nt survive past 1992. He got ran out the industry. Mostly led by 3rd Bass…A group of White Jewish New York Kids of all people. 2014 is a TOTALLY different world then 1992…None of theses Cats would be here if the same standards still applied. There was a Major backlash against Hammer and P.M Dawn and Vanilla Ice and all that whack shit back then…and those guys sold MILLIONS of records!! They were mainstream but the people demanded a change in the musical climate. Then Dr. Dre came and Destroyed all that bullshit with The Chronic!

  • ursocalledgod

    what i wanna know is why hasnt anyone called him out on his recent skinny jeans phase? ” i dont wear skinny jeans cause my knot dont fit” no one recalls that line in DOA? i love JAY but come on guy!! keep it 100 Hov. as for this other bullshit…who cares

    • johnblacksad

      His jeans ain’t skinny compared to Lil Wayne’s spandex collection… jus sayin

      I hope you don’t wear the same baggy jean you was wearing back in 1994 or something… just hopin…

      • ursocalledgod

        Never that. But you WILL NEVER see skinny jeans in my closet. I’m saying if you gon put it out there like that stand by it. You must have a few pair I can tell by your reply. Smh

      • johnblacksad

        You must still be wearin them saggin baggies, lookin like the town idiot… smh

        miss me with that poor attempt… ‘skinny’ is relative… I don’t wear my 94′ Maurice Malone baggies anymore, but I don’t do the Lil Wayne spandex neither… I just wear my size now

    • RapItUp

      There’s a huge difference between pants that actually fit, and skinny, hugging material. I know as traditional hip-hop fans, we see one extreme or the other, but I’ve been on the hip-hop boards faithfully and have yet to see Jay in a pair of snuggies.

      • ursocalledgod

        Trust me I seen it homie. I forgot what site maybe vladtv or something. The homie had on some black skinny as jeans so skinny they didn’t fit over his timbs I know they stuff em in but these were too small period he didn’t have to stuff em in. A checkered shirt black jacket and a white scarf.

      • RapItUp

        Damn… well.. not much that can be said to counter that.. lmfao I believe it, especially w/ inclusion of the scarf.. Sounds like a “swag-y” fitter too.. smh

      • ursocalledgod

        Lol

    • ghettogov

      I think he said that on TI swagga like us song….You know he do whatever to stay relevant for the most part anyway

      • ursocalledgod

        True

  • GQ

    He’s only catching flack cuz he said “he’s ready to chase the Yakub back in its cave” and people caching on.

  • Brooklyn Stoop

    “I’m ready to chase a Yakub back in a cave,”

    so basically whites people know what it is and are upset by the reference and black people with no knowledge of self will attack jay for making them mad. just another day in amerikkka

    • Bx Kat

      Lol You Hit It Right on the nail Fam lol

    • MrNoName2K

      ^3

    • Restlesscali

      thats whats im talking about fam, exactly!!

  • MrNoName2K

    I miss the ol ROC-A-FELLA piece!

  • majesticking

    The true and living appreciate it, it represents freedom justice equality and Islam. He’s from Madena and growing up there you will be affected by the teachings in some way or another furthermore i’m pretty sure he knows some. I’d call Jay z an honorary 5% just as many before him garnered that title and some still are.Peace!

  • FatherSha_

    The “homie” Jay-Z is referring to borrowing the chain from in the breakfast club interview is Carmelo Anthony. My brother is 5% and while I don’t subscribe to their beliefs they do a lot of good. and who’s to say Jay hasn’t been vouched for, one 5 percenter.

    Live people….

    • rocnation30

      I agree…..homie

  • Oknas

    identity crisis its like jay knows the truth but is a puppet lol

    or hes jus doin it to stir shit, keeps him relevant

    • rocnation30

      he don’t need shit to keep him relevant his rhymes does that all alone….but the last part is correct about just stirin shit up to get people join an they fall into…thinkin he’s a 5percent, devil worshipper, mason, whats next

  • j_pullia

    I think he’s just showing respect for those brothers.

    • ItGoesDownINtheDM

      thats not how you show respect to a secret society /group or private entity … thats like going in an all blood neighborhood that your not from and no one knows you there and you pop up wearing all red expecting to get love cause you showing them love LOL !! foh … jayz doing this for publicity

      • rocnation30

        huh….no its not…that shit wasn’t even close

    • rocnation30

      I agree….just because he wearin the chain he’s 5percent …he was just shown respect…people are crazy

  • Eli Pinilla

    Knowledge wisdom understanding….This is what stuck out to me the most of all the teachings my good friend(rip) taught me. He himself opened his mind and left a lot of those teachings behind cuz they were outdated and racist in a sense, but the foundation of the 5% message is powerful and just like any religion or culture, you take in the good, and leave the bad.

  • ItGoesDownINtheDM

    jayz seen the attention kanye got just for wearing a kilt and the attention pharrel got for wearing that dumb ass hat … so hes trolling people with that chain …. #newrules

    • rocnation30

      exactly….everybody makin a big shit about nothin….he always does that

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  • Barbara

    Jay Z’s fan base is very multicultural. One would think he’d know a lot better than to support a group with racist beliefs. What would Martin Luther King Jr. think? Speaking out against a certain race and teaching that they are “evil” and “inferior” isn’t the way to make one’s own race more powerful or respected, especially not in modern times. If anything, it only serves to be detrimental to everyone and further supports hate and segregationist views. Again, not a good idea to support such a group.

    • rocnation30

      how he is supporting by wearing a chain??…smh

      • Barbara

        Umm, yes. Would you wear the symbol of something you did not support?

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        in postmodern society such irony is hardly unimaginable..

      • regalpimp

        Um, yeah,,,Kanye was rocking the Confederate flag

      • Barbara

        Kanye’s also a well-known douchebag. Of course he’d be wearing something like the Confederate flag.

      • golder1

        Any black person who is not afraid to speak their mind and voice their opinion is always shown as a jerk by the media.

      • Barbara

        No, Kanye’s just a douche…

      • golder1

        A lot of black people consider the Confederate flag part of thier history. They’re black southerns who believe that flag represents part of their history and the pride they held at that time. They reject the negative meaning placed on it from other like the KKK. Rather you agree or not they are allowed to hold this opinion.

      • rocnation30

        i don’t think it was about supporting something we as men an women are put on earth learn as much as we can …i think jay just researched the info an maybe liked some of its teachings period….everything pretty much has a good an bad side whats wrong with admiring the good an leaving it at that….for instance CHE was a revolutionary he had good an bad don’t really support what he did but he was very smart in some aspects of what he did an stood for…same thing for MAO…evil guy but very smart….why can’t we study him like some of the good he did and leave it at that..

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  • majesticking

    We don’t teach hate we teach the truth in fact that’s what that 5 represents truth and power for power is the truth the more truth you tell the power you have when you lie you decrease your powers. The author of the lie doesn’t want truth to prevail therefore whenever truth lifts its voice they attempt to discredit it, taking that which they have no understanding of on face value. Seek the truth and thou shall find, unless your opposed to it!

  • VigilantOutlaw

    So, are 5 percenters the same as skin heads, KKK, NOI or black panther (i.e. racists? Sounds like it to me.

  • majesticking

    Its a mighty emblem of the Universe and the Universe consists of everything. Those with supreme understanding look upon Jay Z and smile for we know any gain made by the blackman anywhere is a benefit to the whole. He could have chose to wear any medallion yet he chooses to where our Universal Flag exposing this unique work of art to many that may have never seen or heard of it before seeing him with it so again as I stated earlier its peace he can wear it with honor.

  • Opposite Of Everyone

    how did they manage to gather the data on how many per cent does what at any given time? And how come it ends up as such a rounded figure? Doesn’t it fluctuate from year to year? Like sometimes it must be 83.6%, 9.3% and 7.1% or something… guess that doesn’t have the same ring to it…

  • Jae Still

    Black people are the 1st on the planet, so they are the mothers and fathers of civilization. Also they are the true gods, check the Black Madonna and Child that the POPE BOWS TO, NOT THE WHITE JESUS.

    • Opposite Of Everyone

      black people are only the first in terms of modern humans… there’s plenty of other primates that came before us, not to mention all the insects, birds and other mammals that were here millions of years before us as well… stop acting so precious with all that Bronze age God sh1t…. we’re just tiny mammals on an insignificant rock floating around space powerless against the forces of nature and gravity..

      • Jae Still

        YAWN. Im talking in terms of Human beings though. White folks are
        basically mutated black people. Thats why 2 black people can created an
        Albino but it doesn’t work in reverse. Stop what god stuff? Europeans
        went around the world white washing everything but I need to stop for
        telling the truth?

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        Why the special focus on humans though? what’s so special about being the first Cromagnon when they’re just one sub-species in a long line of related ones… and being as we’re the only species destroying the planet it’s not really something to be proud of is it?

      • Jae Still

        The focus on humans is because that is what this article was suggesting the Five Percent Nation was about
        “Five Percenters believe that the Black man was the original man, the creator of civilization, and the personification of God.”Are those things false though? Africans were the original man and where the 1st personifications of God, the story of the BLACK Egypt Heru which is what Mary is based off of.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        Africans were indeed the original man but that is not really much of a big deal to be making a whole ideology out of it if you really think about it.. I mean if for example you discovered that the Cucumber was the first of the biological Curcubitaceae family to which Courgettes and Marrows also belong, would you start paying the Cucumber special dues or taking time to acknowledge the fact it came first? Would it matter to you?

      • Jae Still

        Yes it would matter to me, because that’s where it starts, period. Also, you’re not being slick with that analogy. Let me remind you that both times European see its growth as a society is threw black africans. First when the Greeks come in contact with Ancient Kemet(Egypt) and next when they fall into the Dark Ages and is then recivilized with the Invasion of the Moors in 711 ushering in the renaissance in Europe. Very few European things are actually “European” in root.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        That may well be the case (although all historical accounts of human behaviour over 1000 years old are at best biased), however, no-one’s arguing that point so …?

        Humans are a basically a cancer to this planet, so the fact that black people were the first signs of it isn’t much to write home about IMO..

      • Jae Still

        Humans are not a cancer to this planet, the European way of life has become a cancer to this planet. “Go Green” wasn’t needed back then yet Architecture, Science, Travel, Mathematics, Educations, Philosophy and everything else still existed. The Moors where using wind power BACK THEN. Of course you will try to dismiss history when it doesn’t fall in your ball court though. Anyways…

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        but as you know the Europeans are descendants of Africans, and seeing as you think ‘modern humans’ are where the buck stops and seeing as you also think Europeans advances only occurred under the influences of Africans then how can Africans be blameless in the grand scheme of things?

        I’m not dismissing history, I’m saying there is no reliable history of human politics once you get past a certain point (approx 1000yrs), there’s just different theories, none of which can be irrefutably proven. So, if there are different accounts of history then how do you know which one is correct? Well, I think people tend to go with which one suits their agenda or which they’d prefer to be true, but there’s no primary evidence, just theory and research… personally, I don’t trust any of them enough to quote them as fact.

        And funnily enough neither do historians. When you read academic research it tends to be littered with hedge-bets and disclaimers like “we think” or “research suggests” in accordance with someone familiar with the principles of hypotheses and dialectic thought…

        However, when these history books end up in the hands of the gullible or politically-motivated youtube generation, suddenly they are quoted as confidently as if the reader had just found video footage of the actual events when in reality they’ve merely read a book written by a mammal..

        *going out now so will have to leave you to it brother, Peace*

      • mikeyboss

        Well said. This “opposite of you” character is little more than an insecure person who needs a constant (racial) scapegoat to substitute for his (and others’) own ineptitude in life. He is the type that would say ONLY whites were involved in slavery, when you can look today where multiple African nations STILL engage in slave-trading, and the Arabs did the same near the end of the 20th century (see Saudi Arabia/Sudan, etc.). Japan running roughshod over other Asians. Etc., etc.

        Even the term SLAVE came about from the WHITE Vikings enslaving the WHITE Slavic people. White-on-white slavery! The larger point is all groups have shit on other groups, from all walks of life, at one point or another.

      • Jae Still

        Nope I wouldnt say only whites where involved in Slavery, Never said that because I know better. Chattle slavery of Africans by Europeans took it to ANOTHER LEVEL. The human beings humanity was stripped from him, the slaves whole identity was removed and your societies where built off of it. In Western society they paint the image that whites somehow made everything out the blue and these Africans were only slaves scrating their ass that we somehow “saved”. Are you flippin kidding me? Then people of your society get mad when reparations are demanded. This is how tooled and retarded they are. They don’t know that prior to slavery Europe was piss poor, what Natural resources did they have to really build off of? Today their hands are STILL in the resources of Africa. Many of those so called “Arabs” back in the 720 + times where BLACK that “Arab slavery” I kind of look at sideways, because “Arab” does not denote race. Im aware that Berbers (WHO WERE BLACK) also where enslaving Europeans in the millions in North Africa, but many where set free if they accepted Islam. Nowhere else in the world do we see anything like the Transatlantic slave trade and a social system (White supremacy) made to MAINTAIN the order.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        boss, I think you might want to edit your post as you both agreed with me and then dissed me in the same breath!

      • mikeyboss

        Ooops. I meant “Jae Still” as to who is out to lunch. I agreed with you, as I think you and I agree that there are good and bad in all races, and that at one point in time, essentially every group has shit on one another, for various reasons.

      • mikeyboss

        Architecture? Look no further than Europe as having BY FAR the greatest, most ornate architecture in human history. Or you could look at the magnificent temples in India–guessing you didn’t not know that Indians are the most closely related to Europeans, as their “Indo-European” classification indicates. Maybe you could venture into the ancient city of Petra (Jordan) and look at the stunning architecture there. Ooops, Jordan isn’t in Africa either, my bad 😉

        So where are all the great African examples of magnificent, ornate architectural marvels?? Morocco/Moorish architecture? Egyptian pyramids? Where else? Let me guess, “whitey” destroyed all the allegedly grand African architectural structures, right? LOL

        Race-baiting frauds, like yourself, are basically weak-minded individuals, who are so insecure that they need a (racial) crutch to get by in life.

      • Jae Still

        You’re an idiot. Castle building was created in Africa. One of the oldest castles is located in Ethiopia and predated European civilization. Many deserted castles are all over Africa still they call them “Casiers”, check the Civilizations of the Garamantes, Songhai, Mali, North Africa, clown. Before the 711 invasion of the Moors, European kings and queens were living in Barns, not a lighten street IN EUROPE. No pavement, NOTHING. What great architecture??? The Roman/Greek shit that was built off African Egyptian knowledge?? Yea try to outsource your shit because there is very few great things of actual European descent, many of the knowledge was BROUGHT INTO EUROPE. Im only playing this race game because this is the way your people twisted the world now. Your people are the ones with the Racial crutch in society trying to pretend like Africans where in Africa scratching their ass. Lets not forget who made the concept of race, and tried to paint Africans beneath them, creating a system of white supremacy where the dark people are on the bottom and your talking about weak individuals? All this stuff is REACTIONARY because black folks are being paraded around like they never did shit by the same people that they EDUCATED. Stop it clwon

      • mikeyboss

        Gee, WHERE ARE ALL THE “GREAT” ARCHITECTURAL IMAGES, FROM AFRICA?? *Cricket sounds*

        Another newsflash: Most tourists go to Africa for SAFARIS and WILDLIFE, not to see “grand” architectural examples (unless it’s the aforementioned Egyptian Pyramids, or Morocco’s Fez, but little else).

        Yet as Africa is a VERY large continent, yet where are all the allegedly “great” architectural examples?? Oh right, they rarely exist (and you won’t hardly be able to find any on Google images either). On the other hand, PLENTY of examples of the grandest architecture in the world, throughout Europe, in places like Barcelona, Madrid, Paris, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Vienna, Munich/Bavaria, London, Athens, Florence, Venice, Rome, etc., etc.

        Oh, and speaking of Rome, your stupid ass likely didn’t even know that the AQUEDUCT was a ROMAN invention LOL

      • Karen Reed

        You have been watching too much TV… Was google images a serious source in your argument??

      • mikeyboss

        The internet is a treasure trove of information (and images), yet where are all the alleged “grand” examples of African architecture? I mentioned Morocco’s Fez, Egypt’s Pyramids, but where are the rest?? (As I stated previously, they largely don’t exist.)

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        quoting your preferred historian does not equate to stating facts… unless you were there back then, you’re relying on someone else’s account that I’m pretty sure you haven’t bothered to check the credentials of… am i lying?

      • Chris Copeland

        It’s not race baiting when Europeans who were biased at the time and wrote everything to their liking have destroyed or lied about many artifacts found everywhere around the globe. Please explain where the world’s first university was and where Greek cosmetology actually came from. We can go go even further as to how the Romans actually stole their numerals. I don’t see anything wrong with admitted that alot of scholars or historians were bias in their writings and teachings. Considering much of history is taught from a Pan European perspective.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        this is true. However; the innacuracies and bias of a Pan European perspective on history do not by proxy mean that the Pan-African perspective is any less BS.

      • mikeyboss

        LO@Roman numerals being stolen. Two words: REMEDIAL HISTORY. Roman numerals are derived from Latin alphabet (and is a cousin of Etruscan numerals), to signify values.

        If you want to bring up origins, go look at any World Almanac, then go look at the inventions pages, and you’ll see where the vast majority of inventions came from.

      • Karen Reed

        Oh goodness…. I don’t even know where to begin with you. You seriously need to take an African American studies class, and then come back. Indians are most closely to Europeans.. You have got to be kidding me.. I don’t care what a book says, (clearly you read anything and believe it) you can look at them and see that isn’t true. Look up the African presence in Greece, Rome and other European countries. After you do some research you will be better suited to discuss this topic.

      • mikeyboss

        Not surprisingly, your post is a long paragraph of non-specific gibberish. Moreover, not only are the ppl of India classified as INDO-EUROPEAN, but also Caucasoids, from a biological & anthropological standpoint.

        Skulls of Indians are very similar to that of other Caucasoids (which range from Europe to various parts of Asia), and other similarities are hair texture, along with facial features (e.g. nose, etc.), and Indians in the northern part of the country also have blue and green eyes.

        You clearly need remedial history classes.

      • Karen Reed

        Non specific gibberish.. That made me laugh… Your argument about classification is in itself fallacious. Its a label given by people who know as much about history as you. AGAIN Look up the African presence in Greece, Rome and other European countries. After you do some research you will be better suited to discuss this topic. Until then take care

      • mikeyboss

        AGAIN, you have non-specifics, just superficial platitudes. You keep mentioning Greece, Rome (not a country, btw), and “other European countries” as though all of their exploits and accomplishments were due to Africa LOL. But AGAIN, I ask you: Where are all the “grand” architectural examples from Africa that supposedly influenced the Europeans??

        AGAIN, aside from Moors/Fez, Egyptian Pyramids, said examples (largely) don’t exist, especially in sub-Saharan Africa.

        Were there great (albeit primitive) builders from northern Mesopotamia, etc., thousands of years ago? Of course. But when looking at the hugely ornate and intricate European architectural structures from constantly evolving periods, simply look at what’s known as the Roman Architectural Revolution (otherwise known as the ‘Concrete Revolution’), during which the Romans’ engineering prowess invented/built things like AQUEDUCTS, AMPHITHEATERS, DOMES, etc.

        Of course there are magnificent non-European examples of grand/ornate architecture (India comes to mind, as does Japan, etc.), but there’s a reason why the very influential, well-known architectural periods (e.g. Classical, Gothic, Renaissance, Baroque, etc.) were from Europe, and why much of Europe has so many magnificent structures standing today, as a living testament to said influential periods.

        I majored in architecture, so if you want to engage in further gibberish insofar as what alleged influences took place, that’s on you.

      • Karen Reed

        Well I am glad that you have
        your degree in architecture and not history. Thanks for pointing out the
        obvious about Rome not being a country although it was never stated as being
        such. I am not disputing that European
        Countries do not have great works, what I am saying is that European Countries
        were civilized by the African man, so those works that you speak were also done
        by African people. Did you know that it was only in the 18th
        century North-West Europe that the true images of Socrates and Aristotle were
        hidden, or ignored and replaced by false images of pink-whites some of which
        were created between 17th and 18th century AD but fraudulently mis-dated. All of
        the ancient great philosophers were African as well and later
        names and images of them changed. Europeans are rewriting history
        and making as if the contribution is bigger than what it is. The African presence was EVERYWHERE. Asia
        and India as well.

        You can research “The Africans who civilized Rome” and get back to me.

      • mikeyboss

        In case you hadn’t noticed, my post entailed architectural HISTORY, and it is quite correct. What’s obvious is you STILL aren’t able to show all the alleged “grand” examples of architecture throughout Africa, that supposedly influenced the Europeans.

        I used the Europeans’ architectural prowess (i.e. Roman Architectural Revolution) as a microcosm, in that said architectural prowess was due to THEIR OWN engineering, THEIR OWN inventions, and THEIR OWN BUILDING METHODS that created some of the grandest architectural structures the world has ever known.
        It had little-to-nothing to do with African influences, especially with the lack of “grand” architectural examples throughout a HUGE African continent. And if the ancient Romans were able to come up with many advanced architectural engineering and building techniques, to inventing the automobile (Karl Benz), to many inventions in between, it was due to THEIR OWN INGENUITY, not from some fictitious “African influence” that you seem to want to make known, in the hopes of trying to diminish accomplishments of what others (i.e. Europeans) did BY THEMSELVES.

      • Karen Reed

        They did not do anything by themselves but steal from others. Europeans did not even know to brush their teeth until they met up with other countries. If you do not believe me you can read the works of Benjamin Franklin who talks about when Native Americans and Europeans first met with each other. They definitely did not have the knowledge or capability to build anything grand on their own. It was stolen form Africa and other countries. There are great works in Africa all over. Some have been destroyed (I hope you know that cities were ruined by natural and man made disasters) and others sit in Africa and have not been seen by the likes of you.
        1. The city of Kerma
        2. The temples of Yeha
        3. Great mosque of Kairouan
        4. The Great Enclosure in Great Zimbabwe

        That’s just to name a few. The list can go on. Not to mention Egyptians had electricity before Europeans even knew how to stand stand on two feet. We can go back and forth all day. To deny your history is something you have to live with. Unfortunately one day I hope you wake up, and see. I can no longer respond to you on this thread, but I hope you will read “The Africans who civilized Rome” and other works so that your argument isn’t as flawed and one sided as it has been. We learned everything you mentioned in school and other text books Europeans have written, you my friend have not read anything outside of that.

      • mikeyboss

        LMAO@They didn’t do anything by themselves but steal from others. Just as I figured, not only don’t you know your history, but you’re simply looking to diminish ANYTHING the Europeans accomplished.

        Moreover, the architectural accomplishments I mentioned about the Romans were 100% their own doing (well-chronicled for even a part-time history buff), so it just re-affirms how uneducated you are in areas you claim to have knowledge about.

        BTW, Kerma is at the top of your list?? LMAO. That just makes my argument. Then you put up Yeha?? Hardly overly ornate and magnificent, but again, just shows HOW little the examples are. But, thanks for making my point 😉

        Moreover, you said that “other cities were ruined by natural disasters” as though that explains why there are so few examples? LOL Check out HOW well-preserved The Colosseum (in Rome) still is, and HOW ornate the design was. So I guess centuries after centuries of Roman structures old are immune from Mother Nature and Father Time, eh?

        BTW, the MOSQUE of Kairouan?? Hellooooooo, it was built around 670AD, LONG after the Roman Empire had been established, and most of their great architecture (i.e. The Colosseum at 70AD, for example) had been constructed. LOL. Geez, I knew you’d be hard-pressed to find much, but you had to jump many hundreds of years to find an example, just re-affirms my point.

        Unfortunately for you, you not only made my point for me, but your initial “steal” comment shows your own racial insecurity and lack of historical/architectural knowledge.

      • Barbara

        Hon, do you not understand biology or genetics? Albinos occur in all races– two white people (as well as two asian people, two hispanic people, etc.) can indeed create an albino. After all, an albino is not at all the same as a white person. An albino produces little to no skin or hair pigmentation, whereas a white person does (whites have all kinds of different hair colors, but an albino person’s hair lacks color). An albino can never tan in the sun, whereas a white person can because they have melanin in their skin.

        And yes, the most accepted theory is that all races stem from a certain race of black Africans. Even other black people “mutated” from them, if you want to use that term, although the correct term is “evolved”. White people didn’t just magically mutate from black people– they evolved due to differing needs in the climates they ventured into. As did Asians and all other kinds of people. And as for “white washing”, who do you think made this discovery of where humankind evolved from and published it for all the world to see? I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t black scientists…

        And yes, it’s unwise to go around declaring a certain race to be made up of “gods”. Elitist and separatist thought like that will never help anyone. If you want to be respected, you must first respect others. And as you can see, you don’t even know what the truth is. Go learn about genetics and evolution, and then get back to me if you still think albinos are only created by black people and that black people are “gods”.

      • Karen Reed

        Barbara, I think you missed his point. He is saying that two black people can create an albino child (one with no melanin), but two white people cannot create a child that is of darker complexion. And as far as “who do you think made the discovery of where humankind evolved, it wasn’t black scientists” is a jaded claim. Just because a person of another race published something black people already knew doesn’t mean they discovered it.. Just like Elvis stole music from Big Mama Throrton, everyone stole everything from the African man. They know nothing without him.. Sorry to say… I do agree that we must stop this division. Once everyone as a people learns their history we will all be able to move forward.

      • Barbara

        There have actually been numerous cases where two white people created a darker child. It’s called “recessive genes”. Also, Allan Wilson, Rebecca L. Cann, and Mark Stoneking (of New Zealand, the U.S., and Germany, respectively) were the team who worked for years in the 1980s and early 1990s to trace human DNA to determine our origins. It was they who concluded that all modern humans evolved from an African ancestor. Their research is well-documented, and although they worked off of some theories put forward by Charles Darwin and Carelton S. Coon, they didn’t steal any research or studies from anybody.

        Quite frankly, to assume “everyone stole everything from the African man” is pretty racist, and it is also highly ignorant of real human history. Yes, Elvis stole music from Big Mama Thorton. That’s common knowledge by this point in history. But it doesn’t mean that every invention or discovery by a non-black person was stolen from a black person. You say people need to learn their history to move forward? Well, you just proved that you of all people need to learn yours. Stop drinking the Kool-aid and start doing real research of your own if you don’t trust what I’m telling you.

      • Karen Reed

        It’s not racist, it is true. If you feel that way I do apologize. I am not debating the published works of Rebecca or Alan, what I am saying is their research was known before being published.You have no clue if they stole their works, but it works better for your argument to say they didn’t. It’s similar to historians re-writing history saying people discovered a land that was already discovered. Everything was stolen from the African man, even down to electricity which they give credit to Benjamin Franklin for. I know OUR history, I think you could use a refresher course. Trust what I am saying, what you learned in school does not count as fact. Trust none of what someone had told you. Once you finish your research let me know.

        Oh and being as though I am not black, I found it hard to be racist against my own kind :)….. Just stating the facts honey.

      • Barbara

        Well, I’m both black and white, and I find it hard to be racist against anyone. In fact, I can’t stand racism of any kind, which is why I do not support many of the beliefs held by the Five Percent Nation. You insist that “everything was stolen from the African man”, yet you give zero evidence for that statement (and to support that statement you would literally need to prove that every invention and idea throughout history came originally from an African person and subsequently stolen, an you can’t even begin to prove this, because it simply isn’t true). I can’t help but feel you have been severely brainwashed, ironically believing that it is the other way around. Again, not everything was stolen from the African man. That in and of itself is indeed a racist statement, and it is actually highly offensive to people of all colors. I agreed that certain things were “stolen”, but “everything”? Please.

      • Chris Copeland

        Finally someone knows a bit of truth!

    • Barbara

      If Jesus was indeed a real man, his location and Jewish heritage dictates that he likely had tanned olive skin and dark hair. If he were alive today, he would most closely resemble the average person of Middle Eastern heritage.

      Also, I think it’s rather unhealthy to think any humans are “gods”. We’re all flesh and blood that will one day die.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        oh dear, you really didn’t just say that Jews were anything but black did you ? *inevitable incoming attack from someone who’s favorite historian says otherwise* DUCK!!

      • Jae Still

        I was getting at the fact that Mary and Child are copies of the story of Heru in Egypt (Kemet) and that the Black Madonna and Child was the Ethiopian version that the Pope Bows to. He doesnt bow to the White version of Mary that is in every black church in America.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        I’m aware that Egyptian socety features gods that bear similar characteristics to figures from modern religions (Jesus etc…) however, it doesn’t make the stories any less mumbo jumbo just cause some Bronze age Egyptians imagined them first..

      • Jae Still

        Im not arguing whether religion is real of not. The fact is many people, including blacks, believe in Chrisitianity. The HEAD of Chrisitianity, the pope, is bowing to a black madonna and child, why is it that a white jesus is then given all over the world to be praised then? Don’t try to dismiss it as a non issue because it is an issue, they would use the black madonna worldwide if race where no factor, but white supremacy must be maintained, and black folks need to wake up to that fact and see the real truth in things even if they want to be Christians.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        well according to Nasa it’s a bit late for that and we’re apprarently about to witness a complete breakdown of industrial civilization over the next 30 or 40 years akin to when the Romans, Greeks and Mayans fell… perhaps when the dust settles from that things will work out different for us…

      • Chris Copeland

        99% of blacks only believe it because it was forced on them during slavery and passed down from generation to generation any religion or culture they had before coming to America or meeting colonists from European empires was stripped from them and replaced.

      • Chris Copeland

        Actually parts of the bible are copied from Egyptian mythology

      • Barbara

        …And I see the racists are coming out to play.

      • Judah Nazayar

        NAH, UR JUST STUPID

      • Barbara

        That’s the best you’ve got? Come on, you can barely spell, and you don’t seem to know where the “caps lock” button is on your keyboard. Try harder if you’re going to attempt to insult me.

      • Judah Nazayar

        NAME ONE OLIVE(GREEN) PPL LIVING IN THE SO CALLED MIDDLE EAST TODAY?? LETS SEE WHAT HISTORY SHOWS WHAT THE SO CALLED “JEWS” LOOKED LIKE AS SLAVES IN EGYPT

      • Barbara

        “Olive” is a type of skin tone, idiot. When used in the context of skin color, it does not refer to green. It is a type of dark beige skin tone that easily tans and is most commonly seen in the Middle East, Southern Europe, Latin America, the Mediterranean, and parts of Asia. Also, there’s actually no historical evidence that Jews were ever slaves in Egypt. And even if they were, if Jesus did exist, he came after that time period anyway. And besides, he never lived in Egypt.

        Perhaps you should consider becoming more educated before you attempt to lash out at people online (also, using more lowercase letters would help make you look like less of a lunatic).

      • rocnation30

        i agree with that…but thats not what they are actually teaching meaning an actual god

      • Chris Copeland

        Hair like wool and skin of bronze is not a Jewish look or characteristic please try again. It’s bad enough everyone tried to rewrite the bible to suit their own agenda and twisted mind states. The only reason king james wrote a bible was because he was at odd’s with the pope and the catholic church’s manipulation and corruption.

      • Barbara

        Where did you see me write “hair like wool”?

        Regardless, I’m not rewriting anything. I’m not even religious, because I do recognize that the Bible and other modern religious texts are full of fallacies. But if you actually study history and genetics, then yes, Jewish people of that time period living in that location had dark hair and olive or “bronze” skin. So if Jesus was indeed a real man of Jewish descent and living in Nazareth, then common sense dictates that is what he looked like.

      • Chris Copeland

        I never said you wrote that or that you rewrote anything. I was speaking of the Monarchs and so called religious leaders hundreds of years ago. When you consider that 12 tribes existed and people kill me screaming Jews weren’t the only people living in that area and I wont go into detail how maps have been redrawn over and over when that area was actually apart of Africa and the Egyptian empire. Jewish people aren’t that color let them tell it today especially how they deny African Jews. Jesus was black end of story

      • Barbara

        He really wasn’t though.

      • golder1

        Jesus was not black nor was he white

    • ItGoesDownINtheDM

      and telling people that will make them better ?? i agree for some it will inspire but most just like with anyhthing else will take it too far and just ruin it or not care or struggle to obtain/maintain the status … obama was a small low level breath of fresh air for black folks in regards to what you are trying to put out there and folks still ouchea acting like thier being held back … if they cant see the success in that how will they see the success in thier ancestors being gods … regardless who you follow or bow too … it dont mean nothing if you cant or wont utilize whats given to you ….. imo if there is any truth in what you saying … then go out an be an example … an example is always better than a message …. show n prove

  • Bigg King

    Fk these cacs mad for?

    They ain’t outraged when Zimmerman is being portayed as a celeb for killing an innocent teenager. But they mad Jay Z is wearing a chain? Cacs stfu

    • rocnation30

      I AGREE WTF

  • Giuseppe Viscito

    did i understand correctly ???
    did 5% said that jz is a fake ???

  • Ryan Driver

    So a high percentage of the personification of God can’t raise it’s own children. We’re doomed.

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  • Isaac Hayes

    Peace to the Gods and the Earths I’m not a member but a GOD Body put me on the path to knowledge of self and to stop eating swine I will be forever grateful I still got my lessons somewhere in storage.The Nation of the Gods and the Earths is not a religion. Jay Z needs to stop wearing that medallion unless he is GOD Body

  • Andrew

    This is probably the most illiterate and racist crap I’ve ever read in my life. This is also why race relations will never get better in America. Instead of saying “Hey we did some shit and well we screwed up” and learn to extend a helping hand we point fingers and slap each other in the face. It’s like my wife remembering every stupid thing I’ve done over the years or me holding every time my daughter disobeyed me against her. If I meet you on the street what your great great grandparents did 200 years ago has no place in my relationship with you. I only know you by what I’ve seen from you. If you hate me from day one because of my skin color and not because of my actions well we probably won’t get along. Not because I’m racist but because of your own narrow mind.

    • Barbara

      And keep in mind that the majority of white Americans today didn’t even have ancestors in this country during that time period…

    • Edward Potts

      You can thank the media for this. The more they publish racist crap, and I’m talking about the Sterling situation, not this laid-to-rest Jay-Z bs, the more they inspire hate. This is my 2nd night in a row discussing this racist rhetoric and I feel I’m getting sucked into a situation I usually have no problem with. I don’t judge a person by the color of their skin, but I’m getting tired of the press pounding it down our throats. All I wanted to do was put on the all-news radio station to get the weather, the other day, and there’s this bs friggin press conference poisoning the people. I could see if the guy killed somebody, but he’s just another closet racist. There are millions in this world and until the press stops feeding us the rally-round-the-minority ignitors, there will always be millions…. black, white, blue and purple.

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  • TMB

    There is a double standard here Jay Z and Beyonce are close buddies to BO the same BO who went to church for 20 years in Rev. Wrights racists church. Yet nobody in the mainstream liberal press is calling out Jay Z, BO’s buddy, for wearing a racists symbol. If this was a buddy of Pres. Bush with a KKK symbol I would bet my house and paycheck this would be front page news and there would be riots in the streets for his impeachment.

    • Edward Potts

      See Donald Sterling. This news item died in 1 day. All the results of the search I did for it were dated April 7th or 8th. It was suppressed by the media. On the other hand, how many days in a row, now, has Sterling’s private racist behavior been in the headlines? Jay-ZZZzzzzz publically insulted people but the story was put to rest. Double standards indeed!

  • Tired of it

    Call me crazy, but this doesn’t seem to be any different to me than someone who doesn’t attend church, doesn’t practice the religion, and has questionable life choices, but still bears a cross and crucifix around their neck. This same person who may have no idea of the historical or religious significance of such a symbol, but yet no one takes offense to that so publicly, but there are hundreds of thousands of people out there indulging in that type of behavior. I wonder if anyone actually bothered to ask this man why he decided to wear the piece, instead of speculating the connection between it, his music, and his every day life. Any other random soul among us could have done this, could be doing this right now, could have even been at the VERY same Nets game, and it wouldn’t have had any media attention because where’s the story in that? He has a right to his beliefs, racists or not, but it’s time people stop making a controversy out of everything.

    Maybe someone should be thinking about why people get paid to slander the names of others in articles like these? Guess there’s no problem with that. Without a statement from the source, this, like most of these articles, are meaningless.

  • Peace to all! Wearing the Universal Flag of The Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths does not mean a person supports racism. That is completely false. The Nation of Gods and Earths advocates peace and righteousness, self-empowerment, freedom, justice, and equality through the knowledge of self. I am willing to conduct an interview on these issues.
    -Starmel Allah, Author of ‘THE RIGHTEOUS WAY’

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  • JBlaze

    I think I can shed some light on this medallion Jay Z issue. You see, Jay Z is complete and total a * *hole. The end.