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Why I Love The Nation of Islam (And Those Like Them)

Over the weekend, I had a remarkable experience at the Brooklyn Hip-Hop Festival in Brooklyn, New York with my daughter in tow.

On Saturday afternoon, I got a pair of calls from two esteemed brothers I know in the Nation of Islam. They asked me if I knew what was going down at the festival and requested my presence. Mind you I had other personal plans. Furthermore, the men didn’t even tell me exactly what was going to happen, only that it had to do with Jay Electronica. Lastly, I already had plans with my daughter. Still, when these specific men call, I listen and trust. Soon enough, I found myself in Brooklyn, New York in the thick of Hip-Hop in all of its infinite glory.

As my daughter and I walked up to the designated spot, we were greeted by a number of young brothers from The Nation. All were dressed in suits with the bow ties. They were sharp and they acted accordingly. There was no foolishness and they had a certain stance that even my daughter noticed. She said something like, “Look at how they are standing, straight up.” They definitely looked like soldiers in suits, but there were no scowls or false machismo. The brothers in The Nation (my friends) that connected me to these others told me to talk to one specific younger brother and he would “take care of us.” From there, it was on.

Jay Electronica arrived with a cadre of older men similarly dressed as the younger ones. From the moment they touched down, everybody around was taken care of. My daughter and I. Jay Electronica’s mother. Jay Z (who arrived later). Wives, daughters and other friends too. And Jay Electronica was consistently surrounded by strong men that were disciplined, orderly, polite and – honestly – nothing to play with.

What I saw is representative of a bigger issue I know most parents are concerned with.

As a father I am compelled to envision the type man that my daughter will eventually be with. And I have to be honest, there are instances where I get very, very fearful. This sentiment was exacerbated recently by a story from a friend. He told me he would not be able to be in the same hospital with the father of his pregnant daughter even though she is soon to give birth. My homeboy felt he might be compelled murder the younger man for a number of reasons beyond impregnating his 21-year old. Now, he may have been joking, but he didn’t seem to be. He seemed uncharacteristically serious. I am not the sort of man to line up suitors for my daughter (she’s gonna pick her own mate), but of those surrounding us at the Brooklyn Hip-Hop Festival, I saw men of respect. None of the young men I saw would upset me if my daughter introduced me to one of them. These are the things I ponder even though my daughter isn’t even a teenager yet.

So, I am not suggesting that she’s got to come home with a brother in a bow tie and suit one day, but I am suggesting that that is the sort of individual we need more of in the community. Protectors. Respectful. Disciplined. Caring. Concerned. And, even Classy.

The Nation of Islam isn’t the only group like this, but they are one of the more universal groups that are able to bring order to the chaos that surrounds Black men daily.

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  • Brindle

    much respect to the NOI, 5% nation, Christians and Jews… but Jay Z has made several songs denouncing the existence of God. I can quote him and Kanye on many verses, so why is the Nation with him. And I’d like to be a fly on the wall when Jay E has religious convo with Jay Z…

    • 5% Hov

      Bro .. he doubts the existence of a God in the sky.

      As we all should.

      • Brindle

        That’s too simple of a defense… That man deny’s God, not God in the sky, everyone knows heaven aint about clouds… that’s like debating Santa… he rocks a “do as thou wilt” T-Shirt which is anti-discipline of all religions… Jay Z is a fraud, he just knows as lyricism comes back, so will enlightenment in lyrics, he trying to stand at the forefront for profit at best or to mislead the masses at worst… if he disses your God but you are cool with it because you can benefit from his money, what does that say about you and your God???

      • 5% Hov

        Do you understand the theory of God Body? (Budda / Universal conciousness)
        You lack simple critical thinking skills.

      • HATER PROOF

        Lol…all that made up bullsh!t you sound stupid!!!!

      • 5% Hov

        wtf? He even calls himself Jay Hova.
        It’s a very simple.

      • HATER PROOF

        nigga do you beleive in the most high…or not!

      • 5% Hov

        Yes. God Body.

      • HATER PROOF

        Lol…fact is, this universe is waaay to much credit to give to, a “god” that has 1 body! like yours or mine!

      • 5% Hov

        Not what God Body means…………… kill ya self.

      • HATER PROOF

        Lol that shit aint no secret! i know what god body means,that made up bullshit scam the hustlers in new york mastered, in the 70s..pimping in a “parliament” it means, that its “man”
        made up, so die slow! and a 1000 deaths, LOL blaspheming LIL nigga!

      • 5% Hov

        Nah… you dont/ U just described a bunch of other shit that has nothing to do with a simple theory that God is everywhere and everyone.

        God = Body.

      • Brindle

        LOL… that was an emotional diss, yet you included the phrase “critical thinking skills”… it proves you lack the skills to think critically in this conversation… I don’t believe nor care about Budda, that’s a cult. I believe in God and trying to get a better understanding of Yeshua and Muhammed…. Your one of those cats that learned the words and phrases but don’t know how to place them

      • Casor_Greener

        Muhammad was a fraud like the rest of them boys. Keep reading that mumbo-jumbo

      • Universe Sal

        Nation of Islam is in bed with Scientology!

      • andone

        no comment.

      • Victor P. Muhammad

        Incorrect, the Nation are Muslims, nothing else….do your research, More of us need to study and stop believing and spreading the Hype

      • Universe Sal

        I don’t want to knock on any religions. I recently read an article on the NOI and it linked me to Luis Farrakhan’s Wikipedia page. It states it on that page. Don’t know how factual Wikipedia is…

      • 5% Hov

        Budda’s an occult? Emotional diss//?? WTF.

        Sure bruh… okay/ Whatever you say

      • GregAbdul

        This is our difference….you don’t believe in God….you need to take your head out of the clouds…because most of us do.

  • KC The American Pimp

    The hell with the nation! The nation only wants to help blacks within the nation. Anything else positive about the community them brothers can not be found.

  • FRUKOH

    ‘Why did Malcolm get killed by the NOI?’ Styles P

  • andone

    Man this is a lil sideways for AHH to be ft.ing a thread with such a firm belief but will most likely continue to contradict itself rather sooner than later…

    1. The title could have read “respect” or “admire” ect. rather than “love” for a # of reasons

    2. I personally take responsibility as a man and can understand/appreciate the *letters undertone as far as values are concerned… but u cant leave women out of the conversation either, they equally share obligations in a relationship and society itself

    3. Where is this grammar in all the other daily posts around here… talking about standards while co-signing illseed knowing damn well he isnt near the type of person u wish for your child yet still allowing him to cater to us… BULLSH!T.

    • 5% Hov

      Oxymoronic

      • andone

        Exactly, honestly i expected more hate over this than anything but that will only be from ignorant ppl so thanks for stepping up…

    • Casor_Greener

      Your point is well made. Good to see

  • 5% Hov

    I would like my daughter to marry a free thinker…. I can’t say I’ve meet many truly “free thinking members of the FOI”… more like drones….

    Too much religious dogma in the NOI… I would want my little girl to stay well clear of these niggas

    • andone

      Man I really didn’t want to say it (1st) so im glad u did… jus take a look at that group of YOUNG men (top pic) appearing so organized, but still seeming lost in the eyes… its hard not to make that same observation as well?

      • Super-Khalifah

        “lost in the eyes”? Oh really? lol smh I know all of the brothers in the pics above personally and I know for a fact that they are not “lost”.

      • andone

        wasn’t trying to attack or judge anyone… and im sure for the most part they mean well, but things aren’t always wat they “seem”… thats all im sayin

      • Joshua Session

        That Koran is a part of the foundation of America. It tells you how to be a man, just like the Torah. The Torah tells a man to get wealth the easiest way possible, meaning don’t do manual labor to get money, do something with your mind.

      • andone

        miss me wit all that, irrelevant to wat I posted

      • Joshua Session

        Why reply?

      • andone

        its self explanatory… keep movin!

      • Joshua Session

        man, shut up with all that tough typin, you punk.

      • andone

        and your the one preaching… wit all capital letters, plz GTFOH!

      • Joshua Session

        You need spirituality in your life. You’re a lost one. And you said they look lost. No, you are lost. We could of have had a productive conversation, but you act violent, over the internet at that.

      • andone

        lost, LM@O u cant be serious… ur the one who replied to me wit non-sense about religion trying to take the conversation another direction… i’m all up for discussion so if u had directly addressed my concerns there might have been a chance for u to be taken seriously right then… and b4 u wanna act like somebodys WPM make them better than the next man think of all the positivty ur yappin about first… I know, its lookin real hypocritical for u out here… aint it now??

      • Joshua Session

        miss me with all that…irrelevant to the conversation…keep it moving!

      • andone

        lost, LM@O u cant be serious… ur the one who replied to me wit non-sense about religion trying to take the conversation another direction… i’m all up for discussion so if u had directly addressed my concerns there might have been a chance for u to be taken seriously right then… and b4 u wanna act like somebodys WPM makes them better than the next man think of all the positivty ur yappin about first… I know, its lookin real hypocritical for u out here… aint it now???

      • 5% Hov

        Killed em

      • Joshua Session

        You’re a lost boy.

      • andone

        lost, LM@O u cant be serious… ur the one who replied to me wit non-sense about religion trying to take the conversation another direction… i’m all up for discussion so if u had directly addressed my concerns there might have been a chance for u to be taken seriously right then… and b4 u wanna act like somebodys WPM makes them better than the next man think of all the positivty ur yappin about first… I know, its lookin real hypocritical for u out here… aint it now?

      • Joshua Session

        You can’t even type a reply fast enough, you’re lost kid. You’re blind to the fact that you’re blind.

      • andone

        lost, LM@O u cant be serious… ur the one who replied to me wit non-sense about religion trying to take the conversation another direction… i’m all up for discussion so if u had directly addressed my concerns there might have been a chance for u to be taken seriously right then… and b4 u wanna act like somebodys WPM makes them better than the next man think of all the positivty ur yappin about first… I know, its lookin real hypocritical for u out here… aint it now

    • Super-Khalifah

      So who would you want your daughter to be around that fits a “free thinker”?

      • 5% Hov

        Not people that believe in racial supremacy and crazy spaceships… or virgin births and magic Jews… etc

      • Brindle

        you go from non-emotional intellegence to emotional ignorance in seconds… shows you just like the way you sound…

      • Casor_Greener

        IS he lying though? do they not believe in that?

      • andone

      • Brindle

        he’s not lying in anyone comment, he’s lying in his purpose of his comments, and yes, lying or misinformed in others

      • 5% Hov

        nigga

      • 5% Hov

        WTF….. so NOI don’t believe in that?? And Christians dont believe in virgin births etc??

        Bruh………..

      • Brindle

        I’m not looking at any one comment you made, I’m looking at it all… go back through them, you’ll see what I see, but possibly not, sometimes mirrors are hard to look at

      • 5% Hov

        …………………………..

    • Brindle

      well said

    • The_Good_Life

      Free thinker??? You mean like Alister Crowley or Madona…

    • Joshua Session

      The Koran tells you how to be a man, so does the Torah. You should read them both. You have to think spiritually, you HAVE TO. Think theologically is just as important as think mathematically. You better help build your communnity if you want a good man for your daughter.

      • Psyer

        “…You better help build your communnity if you want a good man for your daughter.”

        I like that. #respect

      • 5% Hov

        WTF?? I’ve read both – sorry much better books in life.. in Taoism, Buddhism and even 5% teaching….

        Sorry. Who said I dont help build my community? Presumptuous ass nigga. Just not with these FOI saps.

      • God Body

        There was a study a few years ago that claimed that the vast majority of people who actually read the religious books from cover to cover ended up not believing in the religions that attach themselves to those books.

  • John Q. Public

    “Now I am no Muslim, but I do agree with SOME of the things they say. Now if Allah helps to Sharif a better man than Jesus can, than I’m all for it.”

    • Brindle

      I’m Christian, but agree with you 100%…

      • John Q. Public

        Im non religious but hey if it works for u cool. As long as u don’t use religion as a defense to treat other people bad. Religion is the cause for more deaths and war than any other factor in history.

        Just look at whats goin on in GAZA right now.

      • John Q. Public

        im from the George Carlin school of religion

      • Brindle

        LOL… George is funny, but no major thinker, just comes across like it… Religion is just an organization of mutual belief… so its never killed anyone, human greed/proganda disguised as religion is what kills people…

      • Immortal

        Cosign

      • Dointer

        The Inquisition?

      • 5% Hov

        ……………………….

      • Psyclonus

        Religion is like a dick. Its great to have one and be proud of it, but you don’t have to show it off in public or try to shove it down my throat

      • AlbertoRipRon

        weird homoerotic analogy

      • God Body

        GAZA is like the sum total of what religion has brought us in the world. On balance more tyranny than peace. not one of the many many different side in that conflict can hold the moral high ground. And I feel that is due to their various dogma in all its forms. Not saying I have the solution right here. but we def need to try harder when it comes to this peace thing.

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      Menace to Society👍

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    • GregAbdul

      that’s a cliche…please go study religion and then talk more….I won’t bash you because you don’t have knowledge….but the first thing you have to be about, if you are really serious about God is knowledge….and you can’t fake it.

      • God Body

        You should apply your wise words to yourself also.

      • John Q. Public

        I don’t like getting into religious debates because it is always like 2 people yelling at brick walls.

        I believe in science and what is real. Religion requires you to have “faith” in something you cannot see, hear, or feel… that I cannot do.

        Having a religion can be a great thing because it may provide principals to live by and comfort in an afterlife (it also has inspired some great music) but I personally just cant buy into any of it

        ….I have more to say on it but as I said it would lead nowhere. Keep doin you im happy doin me

      • GregAbdul

        science is not a belief system, it is a method of study. We all have faith in something. we have faith in tomorrow, so we make plans today. Your faith is scattered and confused because like many, you probably are too busy scrambling to live in America to think about your soul. We all live by principles and some work better than others. You say religion as a dis, but God comforts and guides billions of people all over the world. We say, a car has certain things it has to do and that people maintenance is worshiping God in the right way, regardless of which religion you choose. A bad mechanic is like bad religion. you are a double loser because you make effort in the wrong direction…may God guide you.

      • John Q. Public

        My “soul” is fine. I don’t rob, kill, or steal. I have a woman I don’t cheat on and a child I raise to respect others. I treat others kind and with respect. and I do all this without a GOD to believe in.

        I don’t need an imaginary figure to help me live my life but if others do fine. like I said just don’t push him on me. So no “may God guide you” for me. Be good and do good and you will be fine.

      • Andy

        Well said bro.

      • GregAbdul

        now that’s PC run amok….”no may God guide you.”

        If I ask God to bless you it’s an insult?

      • John Q. Public

        no but calling me “scattered” “confused” & a “double loser” because im not the same religion as u is an insult.

        also if I ask u to not push a religion on me and u close out a conversation with “may God guide u”… that’s just called being a smartass on your part.

      • GregAbdul

        sorry….you said you have no faith in God…I said you have faith, we all do as a normal part of being human but yours is scattered and confused and I used the word confused because you don’t recognize your faith in a way. You failed at articulating (spelling out) your faith here. I specifically did not call you a double loser. That would be someone who spells out their faith and then they go on to talk nonsense. You said, you believe in being good; end of story. I never said everyone has to be in my religion. That’s putting words in my mouth. John, I have nothing against you and I am not on an agenda. If I tell you that you should become a nazi and then you will stop drinking and smoking and chasing the ho’s at the club, is that a good trade off? If I get you to hate whites and Jews as a way to make you sober, have you really gained anything as a person? Your first response was “do your thing.” We say that, but most of the time we don’t mean it. For me, if I am going to advise someone, I try to have knowledge about what I am trying to show them. Words can lead people into ditches and I don’t want to be the one misguiding people. That’s what I meant by double loser. it’s wrong for someone to go in the wrong direction. It’s even more wrong for someone, out of ignorance to say, “hey, whatever choice you make is great.” That’s a lie. All choices are not equal. Knowing and not-knowing are not equal. I don’t seek to push my religion on you. I ask you don’t sit there not knowing the differences and not caring and then when it comes up, you want to contribute by saying all choices are the same….for people who know better that simply is not the case. If you don’t want to know the differences about all the different paths you can take your soul down, fine. In America, you are free to be ignorant. But to tell others that ignorance is bliss is not fair. Sorry if I am insulting you. But if I have never had steak or lobster and you have never had it either and then I am with you and ordering food and you say, “it’s all good…” You are not helping me. I am not trying to sneak you into my religion. I am asking you admit to yourself what you don’t know. Sorry if that offends you.

  • The_Good_Life

    The Nation killed Malcom because he realized racism has no part in true Islam. The Nation won’t admit whites into their organization but will cowtail with the dude who put his life on the line to rub a dub with a Rothschild banking oppressor heiress.

    • 5% Hov

      Malcolm was confused. As is Jay.
      But hey… what you doing for the cause?

      • The_Good_Life

        How much confusion does it take to go from being a criminal to leading a nation???

      • 5% Hov

        to then being an orthodox muslim…. is this a trick question?

      • Dante Rapper

        Im curious, in what way do you think that Malcolm was confused?

      • 5% Hov

        Read his autobiography….

      • GregAbdul

        “Malcolm was confused…” I think you are clearly showing us….you have not taken our psych meds today…

    • Joshua Session

      He still was going to build his community, he was just going to be peaceful. We can do business with everybody.

    • Triple7_skylakegreat

      They don’t know the truth bro el hajj malik el shabazz was trying for all

    • Papi Peligro

      They sold the poor blacks to Scientology.

      • God Body

        If there was ever a blatant shakedown cult/religion then it would be Scientology. I don’t know how people get caught up in such things. The mind boggles. saying that I hear plenty of so called ‘conscious minded’ people get caught up in some BS rationale NGE, Hebrew Isrealites , Kemetic this and that included. #justsayin

  • RightOn

    Mr. Creekmur, I understand and respect what you are saying. Those brothers are disciplined and no-nonsense.
    Here is what I have a problem with a lot of these so called Muslims (be it NOI or rappers like Nas) though. If you are going to label yourself a Muslim, it’s only right you act accordingly. They are a walking contradiction if you ask me because according to the Quran, profanity, alcohol drinking and promoting murder is a no no. And here are the brothers earning their living protecting these very same artist that are doing just that. Look at Nas, he claims to be a Muslim and his verses are full of suras from the Quran but then he turns around and becomes a spokesperson for Hennesey? We are all human and we all have our weaknesses but my thing is, if you are going to do all those things, don’t utter Islam whenever it’s convenient.

    • John Q. Public

      I don’t think NAS is a Muslim. His father is Muslim I think and his name “Nasir” is Arabic… But Nas has Christian tattoos and wears a Jesus piece (at least he used to)

    • rocnation30

      I AGREE…ALL THEM ARTISTS DO THAT SHIT…BIPOLAR ALWAYS SAYING MUSLIM THIS AND THAT…AND STEADY DRINKIN HENNEY…..ITS A VERY STRICT AND DISCIPLINE RELIGION

    • gerald bransol

      come live in europe or even in north africa… almost all smoke hash or drink

    • God Body

      I don’t think Nas ever claimed to be a muslim. He might have some muslim philosophy and some muslim practices about him, but certainly not muslim in any kind of religious sense. There are many muslims who are actually not religious. They respect the culture and the philosophy but are not practising muslims either because they were born into muslim families or grew up with muslim ideals in their environment. Mny “Christians” do the same.. I know that probably doesn’t please you to hear that’s how some people view it and it is probably against what you believe but at the end of the day put it down to semantics when someone is described as muslim in that context. There are plenty of contradictions within Islam it’s self without concentrating on what some artist on the fringes is portraying. But in my opinion that’s the point about religion. For all the pias rhetoric and belief in a higher power, there is much confusion and egotistical divide and conquering going on the hippocracy is deafening.

    • GregAbdul

      they are fake Muslims.

  • Slaughtr

    IF YOU NIGGAZ THINK THE NATION IS BASED ON RACISM THEN ALL YOU TAP DANCING ASS NEGROES ARE BRAIN WASHED. FLAG WAVING ASS BASTARDS KISSING AMERICAS ASS BECAUSE YOU THINK YOUR FREE, YOU MOTHERFKAS CAN’T EVEN LOVE HIP HOP RIGHT BUT WANT TO DOWN GRATE STRONG BROTHERS. INTERGRATION FKED YALL ASS UP FOR REAL AND JUST REMEMBER THIS KNOW WHAT THE FCK YOU REPERSENTING LIKE CAPITALISM AND DEMOCRACY THE MAIN INGREDIANT TO EUROPEAN LOVING ASS NIGGAZ. NOW THAT WE LET HIP HOP BE INTRUDED SOME OF YOU BASTARDS DON’T EVEN KNOW YOURSELF. NO ORGANIZATION HAS ALL THE ANSWERS BUT THE KNOWLWEDGE SAVED MY LIFE SO FCK THAT I’M WILLING TO DIE FOR TRUTH. IN TURN YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE DEFYING YOUR OWN. DO SOME REAL RESEARCH ON ISLAM AND YOU WILL SEE IT ALSO IS A RELIGION INFILTRATED FCK NUMSKULLS. PRO NUBIAN TIL THE DAY I DIE SIMPLE ASS NEGROES.

    • Casor_Greener

      Right….

    • Papi Peligro

      Nation of Islam desires all marry within there race. They believe in stuff that isn’t truly islamic beliefs that is racist. For instance Yachub is a retarded racist belief. White are Devils. Well Faracon sold his members to Scientology at least the Devil let you know you were a slave.

    • GregAbdul

      drop the all caps….go to school please bro. The NOI are N*gro Nazis. Do you love white Hitler? So why are you here crazy lovin’ almost white hitler?

  • brotha_man

    the only thing i rep….letting my light shine

    • Casor_Greener

      Where’s Judah when you need him

      • >>Flashes the Judah & El Bark symbols

    • Immortal

      To be one ask one.

    • PorchBoySlim

      3…5….7

  • brotha_man

    pac said it best “if you cant find something to live for, find something to die for”

    • andone

      he got that from him moms…

    • Dope

      And he dies at 25… I’m turning 25 soon and I plan to live a bit more.

  • I don’t believe in anything man made

  • Eli Pinilla

    Malcom would be disappointed…..we praise Malcom, and if it was a white man that killed him, muthaf*ckas would go crazy. Then and now. But because it was the noi, Nggz is quiet….guess it’s ok for one till kill their own….

    P.S: the 5% theology completely contradicts the Quran because it teaches you to read it in a different way and make allah “me” instead of “him”. The noi has always looked at the 5% as a radical version of Islam and it’s teachings.

    • 5% Hov

      5% has nothing do with the Quran. Neither does NOI for that matter.

      They borrow from Islam – they never claim its origin. At least not in current text

    • God Body

      5% percent philosophy is certainly not religious in it’s rational. I would say it cherry picked the best parts of the organisation and ran with it. For real NOI shouldn’t really be pleased with what NGE teaches. Yet I can see the principle of brotherhood over division coming through and I can always respect that no matter what the contradiction are. All the preaching and condemning that goes on only divides and certainly doesn’t bring dialogue or real questions answered. Jay E doesn’t have to justify his actions to anyone, but if he claims to represent a particular philosophy it would be prudent of him to explain his contradictions and at least address them. Ignoring those point will only lead to people being disillusioned, when his whole point is to inspire.

      • 5% Hov

        I agree

    • GregAbdul

      you mean heretical. These guys make up religion and then take themselves way too seriously….they need to go read real black history books. That is their problem.

  • Markus

    Salute to the Nation of Islam. To see discliplined, focused young men on display for a change besides the way African American youth are usually depicted gives me hope.

    • GregAbdul

      Markus that mean’s you are in the Nation….or are you another black hypocrite?

      • Markus

        Neither. I’m someone who believes that the culture should have balance when it comes to its representation. So much more attention is given to the image of black youth in the uniform of a fitted hat, white T, pants off the ass look that when you’re given an alternative, many find it hard to believe.

      • GregAbdul

        no Markus…you are either in the Nation… .because they are the truth….or your praising them here makes you a typical black hypocrite who says you see the truth, but you go to church or you club and you would never be caught dead in the NOI. Be a man. Don’t praise things you really deep down do not like. You like the club or the church. Which is it? You talk like a club person. That man who runs the club where you go spend your money for booze to kill your pain….you should be here pumping him up instead of this fake nonsense of you praising Negro Nazis when you ain’t even one.

      • GregAbdul

        the negative image you talk abut is hip hop. it is only evil when it is done constantly as if you are going to make us old folks give you a job when you want to come to work dressed like someone still in jail. On your own time, dress the way you want. The issue is spirituality. The NOI are Negro neo Nazi racists and you young black men should not abandon Dr. King and Brother Malcolm for dumb stuff like following almost white Nazi pimps.

      • Markus

        Not sure what particular narcotic you’re on but it must be powerful. If I did club as you insinuated and praised the youth dedicating their lives to a larger purpose than emulating their favorite studio gangster, that’s my business. If I attended church religiously(that’s a pun) and gave them the same vote of encouragement if they found their path down a road not similar to mine, once again I would respect their choice and show support rather than challenge and question them. I find it hilarious that a comment on this site has prompted you to assume you know someone’s life. I don’t assume I know yours. But you couldn’t be more incorrect. In the future if someone’s comments trouble you so, maybe you should just go Frozen style and Let It Go. K?

  • drac215

    Jesus is the Son of GOD. Im all for the love he taught and preached for everyone!!! Not this color that color, this language that language. This is what the devil want(confused individuals) so we cant see or hear the message that was sent from GOD. GOD loves us all and he wants you in his royal family, but in order to receive you MUST believe(in Jesus as our Lord and savior)!!! Peace peoples

    • Eli Pinilla

      That in itself is a contradiction to what your saying. Because Christianity says that you will be condemned and live in eternal Damnation if you don’t believe in jesus. So in essence, all other religions and ideologies are considered wrong and in the sense of eternal life, are being discriminated against for not believing in jesus as the son of God even though they worship the same god, just not through jesus.

      • drac215

        How do they? If you understand Jesus you understand the Old and the New testament in full and why we must accept GODs plan of salvation through him. Other religions, not true Christians(Christianity is the belief in Christ) focus on mannnny other things except GOD bro. Peace

      • Eli Pinilla

        I understand it well. They worship the same God but from different perspectives. The jews and muslims worship the same God as Christians. They both believe that jesus existed. But only Christian believe he is the son of God and worship him. Christians are Gentiles ( biblical term for any non jews) who made themselves God’s children in the name of Jesus when they were adopted in. Kinda like white people and hiphop…..it’s also a contradiction to say we’re all one and we come from one but the way one chooses to believe makes one right and the other wrong. For you to be a christian and say that jesus is the only way and the other aren’t makes you what your sayin Christianity isnt…and different religions have different spiritual figures, but still only one God. Catholics are Christians but they believe in saints to. Mormans believe in John smith….honestly, if you live any religion the way it’s supposed to, you will find the same understanding and love you find in jesus. But to say that one is more right than the other automatically separates you from the rest of the people that dont, which goes against all the unity you are speaking of. Especially when your not only separating yourself in the real world, but even in the spiritual you say we go here and if you don’t believe you go there.

      • God Body

        Religion captivates and enhances egotistical behaviour amongst practitioners. Everyone believes themselves to be right and the other derivatives of the same belief system are somehow wrong. The only proof they have is how they feel. Beyond that it’s lottery as to what you’re exposed to when you’re growing up. If I was the devil looking to sow seeds of confusion, this is the type of thinking I would encourage in human beings. The devil has already divided and conquered all of you religious minded people and your ego won’t allow you to recognise it. You’d prefer to sit there in complacency condemning all those who don’t think like you. I call that Devil 1- Religion 0. Game done.

      • 5% Hov

        Preach

      • GregAbdul

        Doing the right thing and getting rewarded for it is a type of positive high that is natural. When you are happy and satisfied, you feel good about yourself and that is a healthy mental thing. If you need alcohol or dope or cheap sex to feel good about yourself then your ego is out of whack. Praying is therapeutic. Choosing right and seeing a payoff is not evil. Feeling good about praying and living clean is not evil or “egocentric.” Thinking your skin makes your prayers special is what’s pathological. How stupid are you to think that God is a racist who happens to be your skin color?

      • God Body

        How stupid are you to make those assumptions about others. Your response proves my exact point. Do you believe that alcohol and cheap sex is the alternative to what you do in your life? Your answer infers this, so it’s better you make it plain if that is the case. If feel good that you feel good. I feel good doing something I feel is good that is different to yours. I’m certainly not in the business of calling people evil. I accept you’re different. I don’t believe in God the way you do. Race has nothing to do with it as far as I’m concerned. But your hang up on skin color is evident.

      • GregAbdul

        doing the wrong thing is an alternative that many people take. We all have the “alternative” to do the wrong thing and many of us take it. 1+1=2. Now you can feel good that 1+1=3, but that does not change the fact that you feel good about being lousy at math. The Bible says, the road (living the right life) is narrow. This is a Muslim teaching as well. Being a righteous man or woman is not willy nilly whatever you feel like. White programing while they sell you the booze and all the other poisons is they tell you to do what you feel like and they make sure you are ignorant while you are doing it. I am not calling people evil. I say as nicely as I can that many black people are ignorant. You are here praising a Nazi pimp. That’s pretty much 1+1= 3 to me.

      • GregAbdul

        people have to choose right and wrong….and tolerance is you accept everyone else’s choices. Christianity is not wrong because they say they are the only way…

        Christianity is wrong because it demands you worship a man and that is an ancient pagan practice they stole from the people before them.

  • KO

    I don’t know much what the NOI really represents (I hear things from time to time) but i’m alway’s invited to join and see the beauty that it represents. As being a Mason, I’ve seen the beauty and the negativity that some of the “brothers” represent. I can only assume as in any other organization, that there may be some flaws that may prompt me to take a step back and just trust the spiritual being that I’ve have alway’s interested in. I will still continue my research and weigh my many options that is before me but I thank you Chuck for bringing this editorial to my attention.

    • 5% Hov

      As a mason u should understand the intention of these brothers.
      Also God Body / Universal Conciousness are very close concepts….

  • Triple7_skylakegreat

    NOI do they fast ? Do they pray jummah on Friday as specified in the sunnah? I’m just asking I knew an imam that was part of them in the 60s and he said it was more of a movement to fight the oppression of that day in age. Muslims true Muslims believe that Muhammad rasullalah was the Seal of the Prophets (the last) any other belief of any other prophets After would be considered blasphemy. And they claim that Elijah Muhammad was a prophet? I’m not trying to start an argument I just want someone to clear this Who knows

    • Dante Rapper

      I wonder the same things…I am not sure about whether they observe Ramadan or partake in Jummah prayers but I wouldn’;t be suprised if they did – I mean many of their practices are conceptualised through Islam…however the underlying fact to me remains that they have accepted Elijah Muhammad as a prophet which Muslims would denounce as anti the very essence of Islam which is there is One God and the Prophet (PBUH) (I’m referring to the Arab prophet Muhammad) as his final messenger like you have said. Therefore I’ve put NOI down to more of a racial movement that encourages certain elements of traditional Islam….but is in no way connected to it or could even be considered a branch of it.

      • Triple7_skylakegreat

        Very true brother i think they do jummah on Wednesday allahu alem (God knows best)

      • cromthelaughinggod7

        Jummah is on Friday though. It means Friday in Arabic. There is no Jummah Wednesday that doesn’t make sense ahki.

      • Triple7_skylakegreat

        I had been told that NOI prays on Wednesday brother that’s all

      • Jake Zero

        They observe Ramadan, pray Jummah on Friday belive in the Prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H).
        Minister Louis Farrakhan is welcomed and respected by Islamic leaders and Imam’s the world over because of his beliefs and practices.

      • Dante Rapper

        then is Elijah Muhammad a prophet to Louis Farrakhan?

      • 5% Hov

        Its its own religion – it is not at all connect to Islam.

        Anymore than Islam is connected to Christianity.

      • GregAbdul

        mainly they lie…they still believe the white man is the devil.

      • GregAbdul

        Know – LEDGE !

    • GregAbdul

      Ramadan Mubarak my brother….let’s go slow…and please forgive me when I go off on the NOI…

      Just another Malcolm wannabe in the house!

  • NOI is a fake branch of Islam.
    since Ghaddafi’s death they run out of money.
    so now Bojangles (Farrakhan) is deperately
    looking for ways to get at least some funding.
    He tried to incorporate scientology, because
    the Saudis won’t fund him.

    NOI acts af if Islam is a black African religion.
    it is not! Islam is of Arabic origin and they
    were the once who started slavery. If you
    think the Europeans treated black ppl bad
    better think twice. because when the Arabs
    took slaves they made sure they get
    castrated first, so they won’t procreate.

    • Papi Peligro

      He did incorporate Scientology. He is encouraging NOI members to go through Auditing. That is fact.

      AND THE SECOND POINT IS WHAT I’VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL people up in here.

      1 Added point the rest of the religion is based on Mormon reverse Eugenics you have to underestand at the time the politics that world was under.

      • 5% Hov

        Not a fact. But yes I agree about NOI black supremacy rubbish…

        Personally its why I agree wit 5%

    • 5% Hov

      NOI borrows from – but doesnt care about Arab Islam…. so I can’t see your point.

      Islam is 95% Christianity. Christianity is 90% Jewish…. Thats how relgion wworks – it borrows from the culture before it…

      • GregAbdul

        okay…”Islam is 95% Christianity…..”

        what is the first principle of true Islam?

      • God Body

        All those religions share the same God. They all refer to the same prophets and merely put different emphasis on different aspects of the same belief system. One branch will have you believe in the son of Jehovah came to earth as a child another will say the same man wasn’t Gods son but merely a prophet and another version will say the same man was an imposter and so on. The teachers of these versions all claim divine intervention with no further proof than their word.

        There are those of us who disclaim all of that and proceed to start right at the beginning, because what we have now is confusion. It works for some and not for others. It definitely is not universal.

      • GregAbdul

        Body same question: what is the first principle of Islam?

      • 5% Hov

        …………..

      • GregAbdul

        you are trying to teach me without answering a very basic question. I am asking you to “start at the beginning.” You are refusing. You are repeating yourself and not answering. Is that the response of a logical man? You are not dealing in the rational world bro. WHAT IS THE FIRST PRINCIPLE OF ISLAM? Now if you don’t know, admit you don’t know and I will tell you. The first sign of a smart rational person is either you have the answer or you get it. Pretend cool is you saying the same stuff about the three major religions while lacking the ability to answer the most basic of questions about any of them. Maybe you know Christianity because of our slave history. No white man has made you study Islam though….and you are showing you know know what the white man makes you know.

      • God Body

        I am not a muslim, so you tell me. I have muslim friends who can tell me or I can google it., that doesn’t prove anything so make your point. Since you want to talk logics that should have been your conclusion by now.

        I grew up in the same christian white man surroundings as you so yeah I know christianity. I studied islam a bit when I was young, hung out with a school friend who now is an imam. He showed me a few things he was studying. I read a few books and formed my own opinions, but wasn’t enthralled by islam. I can quite happily admit to not being an expert on any religion. I know the basics of them all and I’m certainly not a master of any. Nevertheless I have my opinions on religion formed over a period of time. I can discuss this with you further in a respectful manner if you want. I’m not into this whole flame throwing back and forth. I have my opinions and you have yours, we can converse in peace. Faith versus reason is what I deal with. Show and prove.

      • GregAbdul

        are you the one telling me that the religions are almost the same? Bruh…let’s go to a real library and study real books. MLK is our greatest or second greatest black man in American History with Obama being his only competition. Farrakhan is a pariah. Islam and Christianity at the core are very different…all three major religions say these certain people existed and they believed in God…I don’t think you are a fairy tell…that does not mean we are in 95% agreement. Please do study my brother. I don’t mean to bash, but Malcolm taught us to be Muslim. I say, if you can’t take the white heat from being a Muslim in America be a movement Christian, but please most of all stay away from these cults.

      • God Body

        Thank you for your response.
        To me these religions have the same basic set up. Everything else is subjective depending on who you talk to. How a Sunni practices his religions varies as much as how a southern Baptist practices their just within their particular kind of belief system. I wouldn’t put a percentage on it, that’s a false dichotomy. Sunni, Methodists, Sufi, Hassidics, Catholics, Hebrew Israelites, Masorti Judaism and Shiite are all talking about the same Divinity all be it from widely different perspectives, they branch from one to the other. I’m not talking about the minutia of particular dogma. I as an individual do not lay claim to absolute truth. I view any kind of cultism as yet another form of absolutism. That’s why I only deal with Show and Prove. If your argument stands up to inquisition and proves itself to be of reason that’s all I need personally (I am the soul arbiter of what I find to be true and peaceful, know one else can tell me. It’s either obvious to me or it isn’t. And that depends on how far I study and inquire for my own education and enlightenment.). What I apply for myself , I apply for everyone else. I hear many different people from all kinds of different philosophies claiming they have the undiluted truth about this and that, making prophesies about what will and won’t happen with no logical or reasonable way of explaining their conclusions. The way I see it. God wants me to know something? I’ll know it through my own inquisition. Theres plenty of evidence lying around for me to analyse for my own self. I have no problem with people finding truth and peace through their religion. What gets me is when they attempt to brow beat others who are also truly seeking truth and peace to find it through their particular dogma. In any body of consciousness as humans we’re gonna be infiltrated by those who have a ulterior motives to what is being sought by original intention of that body of thought. The NOI today is not the NOI of 50 years ago. It disbanded and gave birth to a number of different cults and philosophies we see around today. Same thing goes for Islam and Christianity, hence the many different sects and sub-sects we find today.

        One thing is clear to me is that none of these branches are achieving what they set out to do. In fact with most they achieve the exact opposite of their original mission which is for PEACE.

        This search for truth is a lifetime activity. There is no quick route of fix for the problems we all come up against in the journey. Malcolm and Martin had that journey, both you and I have ours also. Malcolm and Martin never saw eye to eye on everything but they definitely found common ground and ultimately wanted the same thing, which was for everyone to live in peace. That’s good enough for me, which ever way we get there. Arguing about who’s right and who’s wrong is a distraction from that goal.

      • 5% Hov

        I would place the percentage on it as low as 5%

        I can attest to studying these Abrahamic religions – and they identical in a but imagery and ritual …

        “all be it from widely different perspectives” – not that different at all.

        Interested to see if Greg can bring himself to respond to the points you raised?

      • GregAbdul

        I can’t pick your religion for you. The Abrahamic religions are based on monotheism. Now basically the Christians say God is three but He’s one and we should worship a man the way the Egyptians and the Romans did. The Jews say, God is One and He has a chosen people. Islam says, “Only God is God. God is One. God is for all people.” You are reducing differences so as to not have to think them through. Muslims Jews and Christians certainly don’t think we are almost the same. I say, our faith says, we are to respect them and they have much good in Christianity and Judaism. I keep saying G….MLK…you really think your mind is right while you praise Farrakhan and cult black religions and reject MLK? Our fate today was sealed long ago as far as the black American struggle for equality. We debated nationalism from the beginning and what Frederick Douglas really symbolizes is that in the internal debate in his day, at the beginnings of the black struggle, his school, which called for integration and assimilation won out over the nationalist. Islam was our religion before slavery. I follow the religion of my ancestors BEFORE SLAVERY. There were no Negro Nazis on the slave boats. On those boats were literate scholarly Africans….we know because they left their writings behind…THEY WERE MUSLIM…not “5%ers. NOT Negro Nazis. One other small point. Elijah died around ’75. He left his son in charge. The ORIGINAL TRUE NOI…are now all orthodox Muslims. Farrakahn pledged his loyalty to Warith Deen Muhammad, to follow his leadership….and then he reneged. That makes him a liar and a murderer….and that’s your hero?

      • God Body

        At no point did I mention Farrakhan as mine or anyone else s hero. He’s a great orator and SOME of the things he says I agree with, others I don’t. His history is a bit hazy to me so I can’t say much more than that. Some say The NOI had a hand in MX death and he was apparently part of the NOI power structure. Some say MX daughters tried to have him killed in revenge. Again, I’m just gonna point out that this is where the religiousness take us. More confusion. I don’t count myself as any part of that.

        You can pick over the minutia of the differences between this belief system and that if you want. Study it to your hearts content. More power to you. I don’t care what we were just before slavery, we were Muslims and animist and all kinds of things just before slavery. None of that saved us from slavery. I’m not looking for any Muslim to save me or mine.Ask yourself what we were before Abraham. At this point the only thing that will save us is how we use our minds today to solve the problems we find ourselves in today. We know where we came from, we know where we are, now it’s time to design our own future and where we’re going. I leave religion for those who want to stay in one place. I’m a cherry picker. If you say something and it hits me as right and exact. I don’t care who you are or where you come from, what creed or heritage you belong to, what you said is what you said. I’ll even change my mind and stance if I feel I need to.

        Farrakhan, MLK, MX and a host of other Black men who proclaimed leadership are like any other man. Flawed. If we take time we can drag any of them through the mud. That’s not really my goal here. So while you look to feel superior because you feel your hero or special divinity is better than mine, just think about whether or not any of those men that came before you or I or God for that matter give a damn about that petty shit. It’s small mindedness that gets us nowhere. I’m done with this convo as you’ve shown yourself to to be looking for a fight and not an exchange of ideas and understanding. Good luck in your life and Peace to you and your family. I’m out.

      • 5% Hov

        Bruh…. Maybe I wasnt clear.

        Islamic gods – angels – orgins of the world – timeline – i.e 95% of there shit is the same. Abrahamic in orgin. Adam – Abrahmam -Moses – David – ETC

        Islam contradicts nothing in Christianity. It claims to update it.
        Christianity contradicts nothing in Judaism. It’s claims to update it.

        Understand now?

      • GregAbdul

        no I don’t understand because you did not answer me..WHAT IS THE FIRST PRINCIPLE OF ISLAM?

        If you are going to teach me Islam, should you not demonstrate at least a basic understanding first? Or do you like to hear yourself talk regardless of whether or not you know your butt from a hole in the ground?

      • 5% Hov

        ……………… **sigh Mental health huh?

      • GregAbdul

        I take that as you are comfortable about you being ignorant, but so full of yourself that you can teach that which you do NOT know?

      • 5% Hov

        Sure. Lets leave this here. Don’t you have fairy tales to recite?

    • GregAbdul

      Ash, you started out bombin’ but then you ended trippin’ You have to study. On the slave ships our ancestors were Muslims…not NOI fake Muslims…but true Muslims and experts at Islam. Africans where there with Prophet Muhammad. But this is the thing, you should not do a religion solely because it is white black or Arab or whatever, you should follow God because God is about the truth. It’s a cracker’s game to tell you Islam belongs to the Arabs. Arabs are only 19% of the world’s Muslims and Africa is 50% Muslim. The Africans who came here in chains, our ancestors, were Muslim by choice and were beaten raped and whipped into praying to Jesus. Christianity IS the white man’s religion that he stamps on his dominated people like a brand. There is this black thing where whoever you don’t like started the slave trade and that’s stupid on two levels. The first is there are different types of slavery. Some people treated their slaves worse than others (like barbaric white people). The other thing is, slavery was a universal practice 500 years ago. Africans had slaves even. So this thing where you try to blame Arabs for inventing slavery is nonsense. Learn about true Islam and our ancestors who came to America who were true Muslims. Nobody forced them and when they had the chance, they even returned back home to continue their worship in freedom. Don’t buy a cracker line about Arabs, when it wasn’t nary an Arab put your ancestors in chains and brought you here to be raped beaten, hung from trees and even today they mass incarcerate black men for nonsense. That’s the white man…don’t be a sucker.

  • Psyer

    I feel what you sayin @chuckcreekmur…especially within the context of the culture of Hip Hop. In which, it seems they’ve been trying to give it a facelift for a while. Now, we’re to the point where the predominant image pushed is either A) Young black man as close as possible to being in drag, or B) White

    That said…It’s good to see this type of imagery.

  • Retired Professional Wrestler

    NOI = Spaceships,Auditing(since 2013),White & Brown germs,Beanpies & having sex with the white woman who they say I’d a devil.

    • 5% Hov

      Nah – thats just Malcom X and Jay electronica…. LOL

      I think they crazy too… but you lying with Auditing and white woman stufff….

      • God Body

        I think he’s referring to Jay E’s Rothchilld woman and then being embraced by FOI and so on. Jay Elect needs to address it though, it’s too easy a target. THe audting stuff would be stupid if that’s at all true.

      • SAD_FACED_CLOWN

        He addressed it on face book. just two days ago

      • God Body

        Really? What did he say?

      • 5% Hov

        Yeah nigga what he say?

      • 5% Hov

        Agreed

  • wickedjones

    U know, I knew it was going to be a whole lot of criticism when this mention the NOI. But you know what I love? I love the fact that the owner of this site has the BALLS to say what he love of about the NOI, because its HIS internet company.

  • kane pacino

    one min your piping down a rich white chick . . next you wanna be with your brothers GTFOH!

  • hoeyuno

    Did the fact that mook went hard at islam and 5-percenters over the weekend have anything to do with your decision to post this chuck?? No hate .

  • hoeyuno

    Im not religious but life is tough and if peoples find peace and strength through that shyt then more power to them……anyone know if Craig Mack is still alive?? Or has the cult leader sacrificed him yet??

  • Papi Peligro

    A Racist fool with Etiquette is useless in a Global Diverse Economy. Unemployment rate amongst such thinking must be staggering. What lesson will he teach your grand children. Oh I went to work for the White Devil today. You know the only country that wants you and that you are a citizen of is Babylon the great and it is going to be destroyed by the vibrating sound of the MotherShip connection. Go audit yourself. Woman you better stop talking to me and go audit. I’d kill 1.

    • David

      wow..well said

      • God Body

        At first I couldn’t understand this response. I thought I was missing something. Then PTTG made it plain for me and it dawned on me what I was missing. Good play. LOL

    • 5% Hov

      Irony… I m with you

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  • Jonathan Cayol

    Jesus said in John 5:43 “I have come in My Father’s Name & you do not accept me but if someone else comes in his own name you will accept him .” , by looking at this video alone I see why Jesus said the things He said like “If I honor myself my honor means nothing . It is my Father who honors Me who you claim is your God .” “Honorable” Minister Louis Farrakhan & Jay – Z aka Jay – Hova as in Jehova . & the crowd goes wild . Jesus said what is “highly esteemed by man is an abomination to God” Luke 16:15 .

    • 5% Hov

      Luke was fraud and fake. #FACTS
      NEXT

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Empty accusations . Satan is also called the accuser of the brethren , Revelations 12:10 . However I can prove how the 5 % Nation is fake . It is an occult group that based it’s entire doctrine around Psalms 82:6 . I would know because I ” did the knowledge ” it is written a little leaven leavens the whole lump . So if you believe Luke is a ” fraud & fake ” then your saying the entire Word of God is fake . I’m ready to contend for the faith . Let’s go ! Rappers always quote the Bible regularly because the Word of God sharp , quick , powerful even to the dividing assunder of soul & spirit & joint & marrow & is a discerner of the thoughts & intents of the heart . Let the games begin . I’m ready to destroy every slanderous accusation you have to bring toward Jesus aka Yehoshua Ha Mashiach & toward his servants in the Holy scriptures . One minute your connected to the racist Rothschilds who are descendants of the Nephilim & next minute your joined with the Nation Of Islam who preaches against these type of people & white people as a whole . Yeah I see you Satan from a far you always contradict but the word truth means unconcealed . Let the games begin .

      • 5% Hov

        Right.

        So you really as a black man believe in virgin births and talking snakes? You beleive in a “choosen race” of Jews.. and you co-sign a Roman fairy tale book?

        And you quote me this book – from King James of England version… who ordered your parents a slave –

        And you want me to debate… with you?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        As a black man I believe not only in the virgin birth of Yeshua Ha Maschiah whose eyes are a flame of fire but I believe you don’t even realize that the “Jews” are a tribe from the tribe of Judah & Jew is short for Judah also Judah is just one tribe out of 11 more tribes in the nation of Israel . & you clearly are ignorant to the fact that the Romans did not write the Bible . I can tell you have a lack of knowledge in an area that you oppose because you still failed to tell me how Luke is a fraud & is fake . Somebody like you probably even thinks King James is in the Bible lolol or you probably think he wrote a part of the Bible lolololol King James comes from the 16th century unfortunately due to what the white man did our black brains can’t go beyond 400 years let alone 2000 years when Jesus died on the cross . Did you even know that Islam came 600 years after Jesus death ? I’m willing to teach you & bring light if your willing to learn these are all chronological facts .

      • GregAbdul

        Catholics (Rome) controlled the Bible for a thousand years….it is always amazing how much Christians (especially black Christians) don’t know their own religion.

      • 5% Hov

        Brainwashing from birth… its not actually that surprising…

      • The_Good_Life

        Explain to me what gods you are baring piece to and I’ll show u brainwashing.

      • 5% Hov

        Fool. LOL
        Its Jay E new chain/ 5% – God Body.
        No brainwash required. No religion here.

      • The_Good_Life

        Ethered yourself. Religion does not have to involve god, temple our a book.

      • 5% Hov

        And I said did…???
        U fools just like arguing with yourselves….

      • The_Good_Life

        ” God Body.
        No brainwash required. No religion here.” My fault bra. I could’ve sworn you wrote this..

      • 5% Hov

        Bruh… read that again. God body is a religion now?
        How stupid do you feel?

      • The_Good_Life

        I feel very confident that the 5% nation is a cult religion!

      • 5% Hov

        how does feel to be wrong

      • The_Good_Life

        Bra if you provide info to help me understand 5% then go ahead. I don’t know everything. But it has a belief system which makes it a religion

      • 5% Hov

        So Vegaterism a religion by that logic?

      • The_Good_Life

        Only if you make being a vegetarian the center of your life. Worship and faith is one application of religion. Here’s another from oxford dictionary;

        A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance:

      • 5% Hov

        So no.

      • The_Good_Life

        Vegetarian could be, could be not…. 5% def yes….lol

      • The_Good_Life

        Dude the books in the bible existed long before the people u talking bout. Suppression is different from control. Do you know how many blacks contributed to the bible. Did you know Moses was married to an Ethiopian. Stop letting white people dictate what knowledge is. Go look for it yourself.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        They still slaves to the white man & don’t even know it ! It’s people all in the Bible of different nationalities Africans included what’s the big deal with this white man stuff wow their really brain washed by Satan because Satan knows as long as they don’t let it go they can’t go to heaven .

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Religion means external worship , it means to give obesiance , to give adoration & to give reverence . Religion is an act not a sect . I will crush all your pro black lingo . You think blackness will send you to heaven . Man you gotta repent which means turn from a lifestyle of sin & ask Jesus to come into your heart & change you . You think I care what the Romans did to the Bible ? I have the Holy Ghost I have the gift of tongues that don’t come from a book . Your lost & Jesus wants to save you . I prayed to Jesus while I was in a jail cell & I encountered a supernatural experience with the One & only Ben Elohim which means the Son of God . You better strap your boots tight & seek Jesus because your hate towards the white man & your hate toward all mankind aint gonna help you enter heaven . Before we were called Christians we were called followers of the Way . Do you know what you believe in ? What is the remission for your sins ? All sins require a debt . In the Old Testament & in Islam they justified the sacrifice of animals for the debts of sins they committed so what’s the sacrifice for your sins ? You think being a wonderful great guy is gonna send you to heaven huh ? Opening the doors for little old ladies huh ? You think being black automatically makes you God huh . Ya’ll kill me trying to quote my Bible . The Bible says study to show yourself approved a workman not ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth in 2nd Timothy 2:15 . I bet you think you got all the answers huh ? Listen man I know what I’m talking about I have seen the move of God I have seen miracles I have seen prayers answered I have seen the spiritual realm with demons I have seen mighty prophetic visions & know people in my circle healed of diseases healed of things like AIDS but to you your so blind you wanna discuss a white man lolol small fry . I’m trying to see the move of God & Satan got you bound up in chains to what a white man did to your ancestors over 100 years ago . Your still a slave to the white man can’t keep the white man out your mouth , you’ll never be able to go no where & grow like MC Ren after Eazy died . How about you do more research instead of making sloppy claims about a man such as myself you don’t know lolol here’s a verse for you to read a Ethiopian man in the book of Acts 8:26-40 this will help you realize that Christianity was forced on us in America today by the white man which is true but it was brought forth willingly by Philip to the Ethiopian man in east Africa . West Africans suffered but as the scripture goes what the devil meant for our evil God turned it around for our good so I’m glad the white man was used by Satan to give us the Bible because guess what it turned out for our good we started to activate the word of God rightly & in that we taught alot of racist white folks that they were being hypocrites & not living according to what the Bible says . There is no way on God’s green earth that a man like a slave master or a thug or a whatever can read the Bible & have peace in his heart knowing his character & conduct is wicked because the Bible comes against every form of evil & tells you that you must follow God & live righteously you must of bumped your head lololol that’s why the slaves put their trust in God because they actually got it they was like hold on wait one minute you mean to tell me this word says all this wow then they applied the word of God fought the war & won & got set free because God was on our side not Allah not Malcom X not none of that silly foolishness when all those slaves was living & being encouraged they was getting their strength from Yeshua aka Yehoshua the Messiah you must of bumped your head .

      • GregAbdul

        blah blah…religion means what the cracker tells you…and not one inch beyond it….you got slave religion son…grow up and be defiant or go sit in church with the other mice…and leave grown black people to conversate.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I don’t go to a church building & even if I did is that what you base your judgments on ? I strive to do what Jesus did & He wasn’t in the pews so go figure . I’m out here in the streets .

      • GregAbdul

        question: You say you imitate Jesus. Was Jesus a Christian?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        In Hebrew Christian is called Messianic because Christ means Messiah Jesus in Hebrew is Yeshua Ha Mashiach which means Jesus the Messiah , followers of Jesus the Christ are called Christians . Jesus never followed Himself He did what the Father said do & yes I live a life as a follower of Christ that’s where the word Christian comes from , originally it was called the Way because it is the only Way people like you go to hell if you don’t follow the Way .

      • GregAbdul

        Jon I ask you a a lot of questions and you never answer. You are a paid troll or a very dense person in the head with very shallow thinking.

        how do you say black boy brainwashed by the white man in Hebrew?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Yeshua said I am the Way the truth & the life no one can come to the Father unless they come through Me . That includes Greg . Greg , Greek for watch & be alert . Greeks are white & you have a white name . & you hate whites . My Name is Hebrew & my middle name is Arabic both middle eastern however I am black get over it races mix all up in with each other I am not middle eastern & your not Greek lolol get over your hate . Your ruled by Arabs mentally . Arabs enslaved Africans to this day slavery ended in the 60’s officially in Sudan by the Arabs do the research . Don’t be a buffoon .

      • GregAbdul

        Jon you can’t answer me. Are you a negro parrot? Can you answer questions? Are you really that scared of white people or are you a white paid troll here pretending to be black? How can you say you follow Jesus when Jesus was not a Christian, but a Jew and you don’t practice the religion Jesus practiced? Jesus went to the Synagogue. Have you EVER set foot in a synagogue? How come you got all these long answers to show me 1+1=3? Oh! The white man will beat your little black bee hind if you actually give the right answers and you know your negro place right?

      • GregAbdul

        A form of Greg probably existed in Catholic (i.e. Latin) culture….but really GREGORY IS IRISH…Fool…I am not the one afraid to study because the white man might get mad at me….

        that would be you.

      • GregAbdul

        my name is latin in origin…you are not very bright…you need to get off my name and your ignorance and quit being a white lap dog…that is the whole purpose of slave religion..you are exhibit A on the genius of racist whites…give the negroes slave religion and keep them ignorant…so they will never think for themselves and be equal to whites….one day…you will hit a wall and you won’t even know it’s a wall….the jail of the mind. The new black plantation…..you are sad bruh…I would never let a fool teach me to be a dog in my brain for modern crackers the way you are.

      • GregAbdul

        You imitate Jesus? Jesus was a Jew who attended synagogue. You are not Jewish and you don’t attend synagogue. Does 1+1=3? How dense are you that you can’t do simple math?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I follow the law of Christ find out about the law of Christ Jesus is the fulfillment of the law obviously you don’t read the Bible Galatians 6:2 read the new commandments Jesus brought forth John 13:34 , the law was a tutor Galatians 3:24 , Colossians 2:17 the law was a shadow of what was to come which was the Messiah Yeshua . Jesus fulfilled everything about the law telling people it is written do not covet a man’s wife but I say even if you look upon a woman to lust after her you have already committed adultery . He has come to set us free Yeshua means Savior & I don’t care what the white man knows or did just like you don’t care when I tell you that slavery just ended in the 1960’s by Arab Islamist enslaving Africans , that doesn’t do nothing for you because your gonna stay a Moslem well guess what I’m going to continue to obey Jesus & the Holy Spirit ,peace out.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        You have more peace with the topic of the black man being God & Jay-Z an ex Brooklyn drug dealer claiming to be Jehova which is God’s actual name aka Yahweh & you never spoke anti toward that& your okay with that than actually honoring the Creator who made Jay-Z & Jay Electronica . This is disturbing . Picture yourself on a deathbed & you need God to intercede for you who are you gonna call ? Jay-Z ? Jay Electronica ? & you say your grown ? Greg do you know where your name comes from ? It is a popular Christian name among the Greeks lolol your name is a Greek name Greeks are European people . The reason why it is a popular Christian name is because the meaning Greg is watchful & alert & many saints had that name . Hey Greg good to know ya great awesome name Greg ! Your last name is Abdul a famous Arabic name & many Arabs are responsible for enslaving the black man even worst than the white man however people like yourself probably never even cared to even Google Islam enslaved blacks or anything like Arabs enslaved blacks because hey it’s all about the white man remember , I know your brain doesn’t go far back in history beyond the slavery boats because that’s just the way the whites gotcha trapped a victim to the white man’s corruption on blacks . My name is Jonathan aka Jehonathan which is an Israelite name meaning Yahweh has given . The Bible is not a white book , it was just that white people got wind of it . The Bible is a middle eastern book filled with middle eastern people and many many many different races of people that don’t even exist anymore lol lame . The reason why the New Testament was written in Greek is because Greek was the prominent language at that time remember Ceasar was reigning & he was the ruler at that time just like now you type English because English is the dominate language in your era growing up , matter of fact your currently on a English speaking site English comes from England & it is a American adopted language that derives from Europe where Caucasians are from . So understand everybody today who knows English isn’t white just like everybody then in The time of Ceasar when the New Testament was written who had to know Greek was not white . Did you know that Daniel was forced to change his name to a Babylonian name ? Read your Bible you’ll learn a lot turn the Farrakhan vhs off for a minute just one minute then you can get back towards your lucrative hating of white people . It’s funny people like you make me laugh your the type to smile in a white persons face at work because your boss maybe white then when they walk off you backbite them lolololol cold blooded coward . If you hate the white man so much why you telling me for I ain’t white lololol take your problems to the white man , what I look like going on a country music site trying to start picking on them hillbilly’s for nah lolol that’s up your alley me on the other hand I wanna help my people come out of bondage toward the white man because they’ll never go to heaven when it’s time to die with hate in their hearts .

      • GregAbdul

        I am not into rap…I sort of ignore the young people when they call these names cause I am not a young man to chase black foolishness nor white foolishness. I don’t worship their man god and I don’t worship yours either. On my deathbed, God willing, I will proclaim my Muslim faith and die as a Muslim. We picture it all the time.. I praise God I won’t be chanting any white programmed nonsense. You are teaching me my name? Lolol….you don’t know my name…you know my screen presence. you need to grow up and face how you are scared not to pray to master’s god…there is no other conversation for us….I know all about church and you know if you dare step off your brain plantation (aka set foot in a mosque) dem crackers gonna kick your butt. So go talk to the ones who control you..cause they lost control of me a long time ago. There was a time the Bible was in Latin…did you know that? Because “It was the prominent language…” right? The Bible is the white man’s book that he beat into his slaves hundreds of years ago. It’s plain historical fact. Say “no no no” all you want. I already told you to google slave religion…they probably got your picture on the main page.

      • GregAbdul

        you have a point about smiling at whites. Like most black people I like white people….but I openly reject the white man teaching me about God and forcing it on me the way he forced it on our ancestors….no slave religion for me, so I smile, but I am no house negro or one who goes for the black christian pimps who are white-approved thieves who steal from black people and keep us blind.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Your pathetic . I’m through . All you do is blame the white man , even black pimps in the church you still blame the white man . Meanwhile Islam was forced on Africans , Muslims are conquerors who are known throughout history for invading countries & making them either submit or meet the sword , just like false Christians that were white did to the Africans who came to America .

      • GregAbdul

        I already corrected you so please quit telling the lies master wants you to tell. The Africans that came on the slave ships were Muslim. There was not a single Christian among them. It was against master’s rules to enslave another Christian. The African Muslims who were put on the slave boats, your ancestors who you so proudly disown today for the white man’s religion were MUSLIMS BY CHOICE. I already asked you for proof of an Arab invasion of West Africa and you got none. Africans today and 500 years ago took Islam freely. Christianity was shoved on the slaves. It was only after master debated and decided because like I said, they knew they were not allowed to enslave Christians, but they became convinced when it was pointed out to the slave owners that Christianity could be used in order to better control the slaves….hence its historical name: SLAVE RELIGION. Wasn’t no Arab doing this. It was your idol the white man. If the white man is not your idol and you are for the God of Abraham and the truth, then go to an objective source and research how black Americans became Christian. Christians and Muslims and Jews had conquests and empires. Don’t let the white man trick you that when Muslims won a battle they were evil, while the white man went all over the world with the Bible in one hand and “a sword” in the other. Most of all, research your ancestors. THEY WERE MUSLIM….untill after the whips and chains.

        peace and love!

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Yeah the whites manipulated us with a holy book just like the Crips came out of Black Panthers Satan is crafty but your not spiritually discerned you have not once discussed anything about demons because you don’t even know that we are not at war with white people or black people but demons that are unseen evil spirits that are behind the scenes . Satan sis use whites to manipulate us with the Bible I never debated that however we realized that the Bible was actually true when we cracked open & we realized that they were hypocrites & that the Bible spoke against them the entire time but see Satan wants your heart hardened against the Bible it’s like someone having a woman & you don’t want her because your enemy had her first & so you reject her all together but she is good & cares for you more than you’ll ever know . However east Africans like Egyptians & Ethiopians were Christians before the west Africans , look up the Ethiopian Christians they are one of the oldest Christian societies in the world this is way before blacks came to Africa I’m not sure if you can go back that far because your brainwashed you think life started with the white man no just American life & even before that Egyptians had whites as slaves slavery is something that went on between everyone throughout the world but you wouldn’t know about that because your self centered only thinking about blacks . Many races have been slaves , & all have been slaves to the devil , what were the blacks before Christians & Muslims we were pagans your life begins with Islam but Islam was only 1400 years ago we were slaves 100 years ago for 400 years lolol your lost & stop calling me John I told you my name is Jonathan .

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Yeah your the type to properly diss white people because you gotta keep your job & you call me a slave lolol . Your like a angry coward who is scared of some people who ain’t do nothing to you but they big deceased cousins raped your mother & drowned your father & you saw that & now your angry at their babies soon as they come out the womb . Your overtaken by hurt you need God to heal your wounds but since you reject Jesus because of slavery your destined to the lake of hell fire , your like a person who heard some powerful information but because of the person who told you the information you rejected it as if the person with the information didn’t get the information from somebody else & this information can save your life but you reject it because of what they did to you so you don’t nothing to do with anything they got you threw the baby out with the bath water , your a person who suffered from mental bullying & now you want me to feel angry at white people like you , you should know your being used by Satan because only Satan wants people to hate people , you want me to hate following Jesus because of what some white people did waaaaaaaayyy back in time & miss heaven like you the devil is a liar , when you die if you don’t repent & follow Jesus your gonna go where your slave masters are those slave masters didn’t practice what they preached the Bible speaks against them , Jesus said if you hate you already committed murder . Did they not hate us ? Did they not lust after our women which is adultery even before you whip the penis out you already committed adultery in your heart just by looking at her & having evil desires . Following Jesus is too hard for you that’s why your Muslim you couldn’t make it because in this religion we must forgive you can’t even do that because I guarantee all you do is think about the white man you bitter . You gonna die in bitterness , repent .

      • 5% Hov

        Agreed. Even sader how some then turn to Islam another religion build on black slave blood

      • GregAbdul

        you only like fake Negro Nazi Muslims right?

      • 5% Hov

        Who?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Don’t allow the hate toward the white man to steal your keys into getting into heaven . If you don’t forgive them for slaves you don’t even know personally you won’t be forgiven , Jesus said lest you forgive you yourself will not be forgiven Matthew 6:15 . Get over it , sure many whites are racist & many blacks kill blacks & what ? What you gonna do about it what you gonna go start killing whites now ? 1st Peter 3:9 says do not repay evil with evil . Do you think the slave master wrote that ? Get your facts that slaves wrote that . That’s stupid Peter wrote that get over your hate toward the white man & Jews & all these nations of people God created . You have hate but do you have love ?

      • 5% Hov

        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I’m not the one looking for a debate but I will crush anything you bring with truth that I can back . Prove the slave masters wrote the Bible that was written thousands of years ago . Slave minded people always giving white people all the credit & don’t even know it . Your still a slave . Me I have been free that’s why there’s no hate your still bound up in chains mentally to what they did to people you not only never knew but never will know . What are you doing today to be set free & getting your spirit & soul liberated . White man this white man that I’m sick of it a bunch of cry babies . It’s like Bang Em Smurf always crying about what 50 cent did or aint do grow up . & I take it you call yourself grown crying about other people . Keeping other people in your mouth . What about God the creator ? Do you know God or did the white man make God . Man the white man must be really powerful in your eyes I guess you think the white man is God too ? Oh my bad you think he’s Satan right ?

      • 5% Hov

        …………………. not happening.

      • ghettogov

        The bible ain’t all bs, but the Jesus story is made up…and he clearly was not the most high so i hope you don’t worship him…

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I definitely worship Him . Even when you say Jesus do you realize your calling Him savior that’s what His Name means , you can’t even say His Name with saying what He is able of doing Jesus means savior Yeshua , He can save you I’m pretty sure that your probably black & have some problem with white people . I know for a fact your gonna tie white people in to this in some type of way because it is predictable science now to me if someone hates Jesus or dislikes Him or however you wanna call it a white man is tied to that reason you have for Jesus I guarantee it ! It’s like peanut butter & jelly !

      • ghettogov

        The Christ is cool but if dude existed his name was not jesus and that’s where my beef stems from…so ppl are giving praise to a Greek name that was made up by who knows who when he was an Israelite…That’s wrong..and the stories in the new testament about him are just allegorical…it’s all symbolic…have you ever read any of the Gnostic gospels?

      • ghettogov

        The Christ is cool….it’s just the name of Jesus that i have a beef with…as you have already stated if the man existed his name was not originally Jesus it was Yeshua which is an Israelite name yet everyone is praising this Greek name which is very likely not derived from the name Yeshua…I personally feel like that is wrong and that it should matter to real Christians…anyway the stories written about him in the new testament are allegorical meaning it’s all symbolic anyway…Have you ever read the Gnostic Gospels?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        The Gnostic gospels are all false some justify homosexuality Gnostics are creeps . & we speak whatever language that we know so getting caught up in language is lame . Jesus isn’t Greek it’s an English translation of Greek Jesus original name is Joshua or Jehoshua aka Yeshua or Yehoshua the difference between the two are that one is a nick name like Jonathan is a nick name for Jehonathan aka Yehonathan or Yonatan not John John is short for Yochanan .

    • GregAbdul

      Mr. John, going to a rap concert is blasphemy? Are you a white person from Mississippi?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        No I am a black man , & my name is not John it’s Jonathan . John is not a nick name for Jonathan . Jonathan is already a nick name for Jehonathan the name Jehova is inside the name Jehonathan it means Jehova has given . But most black people who are holding on to hate towards the white man don’t know stuff like that because we have been brainwashed into thinking names like Jonathan are white names but in reality it is a Hebrew name pronounced Yehonatan or Yonatan their is no J in Hebrew & Jehova is translated as Yahweh . John is short for Jochanan so in Hebrew it is Yochanan not John , sorry I know you may like to think these names are white just because a huge amount of white people have them . However names like Mary & Aaron & Sarah are all middle eastern names from Israel aka Yisrael . Now as far as the word blashpemy it means contempt or a laughingstock to mock , to despise , & also abusive language . Maybe your used to how society uses words . Any way no I do not agree with going to concerts & lifting my hands up in worship to another human being . I give honor & respect to whom it is due . But I don’t help praise any rapper who praises himself sorry I praise God because He is worthy of my praise there is no human being on earth who is worthy of such praise . God provides for me & answers me & is my help in the very present time of need , however these rappers are not . & last but not least no I am not a white person from Mississippi . I am a black man from South East , Washington , DC the home of killers & drug dealers , where people get shot everyday & killed every other day while they blast Jay-Z in the car & say N**** we made it , from slave ships to bragging about sex , money , drugs , etc. Started from the bottom know we here ? Yeah we here I’m ready to go there with you & crush every vain thing spoken loosely, what’s happening ? Any other questions ?

      • GregAbdul

        I was teasing you because “rap is blasphemy” is something that comes from whites. Is country music blasphemy too? Do you go to the web sites run by whites who sing country and tell them they work for Satan? That was my point….your unsaid fear of whites and that they have you conditioned to come here and bash black culture while your white teachers do the same thing a thousand times over without a peep from you.

      • GregAbdul

        thank you for your long comment, let me try to reply fast. 1) Names are pretty much what we say they are. We can discuss the history of names as fact, but our modern interpretations are modern interpretations. Mr. Jon (don’t have time for your long form and my name is bigger than yours!) Who do you think, chained in the bottom of the slave boats when your ancestors were brought here was named Jonathan? That is a white stamp. Be proud of it as you wish, but don’t get it twisted. Just like the god you pray to now was given to your ancestors in the slave quarters. MLK took what his ancestors were given in the slave quarters and made it into a movement, so I do not universally condemn all black Christians….but too many of us love pimps. Do you go to a movement church? That’s all I really care about when it comes to your belief. It is pagan to worship a man…(these 5%ers don’t know they are imitating white religion). Pharaoh was a man who was worshiped and so was Caesar. Coincidentally, the same people whipped Jesus into our ancestors. You worship Jesus. Was Jesus a man? Please think it through. You are working hard at sounding intelligent, but you have went at your studies looking for a reinforcement of what you already believe. That is not true study. Real study is you hit the books (and the computer these days) and you go fearlessly where the facts take you. Most people simply do not have that courage. I pray the God of Abraham guides you. Peace.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I’m a black man I don’t listen to country music I live in Chocolate city aka Washington DC we have one of the highest black populations in the nation when I go outside I don’t see a bunch of different people what about you ? You must see alot of white people because all you talk about is the white man this & the white man that come to DC so you can see more blacks are you still in the cotton fields up here we got jobs & stuff we also kill each other just like the white people unfortunately we kill each other every other day . We help the white people live their legacy of killing us in DC . Home of the body snatchers . I don’t know the lyric to these country songs but I do know the lyrics to my brothers & sisters songs . Are you good ?

      • GregAbdul

        and your white masters can go listen to all the country music they want and you will NEVER go to any of their country music websites ordering them about their religion…cause you know your place.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I don’t go to country music websites because I don’t know anything about country music nor do I have a desire . I am a black man who shot other black people stabbed other black people got in fist fights with police & sold crack to pregnant black woman . & when I came to Christ I did not even have a Bible it was an intimate prayer no Bibles involved I received the Word of Truth out of the Bible afterwards . Does the Bible offend you ? Do white people offend you ? I used to beat up white people who came in my neighborhood because keep in mind I live in chocolate city . I have peace with white people unless there are specific white people who do not desire to have peace with me . Peace is a good thing you should ask God for peace . Because I can tell that you identify the white man as a type of god & you magnify them indirectly you give them a lot of power in your mind . I don’t throw the baby out with the bath water . In Chicago 82 people getting killed over the weekend is something that I’m sure you’ll blame the white man for too because of slavery , right ? Well if some black guy does that to your own mother are you gonna blame the white man if some black guy does something unthinkable to your wife or daughter are you gonna blame the white man for that as well ? The white man did a lot of dirt they are guilty for a lot but they are not responsible to my relationship with the creator of the world sorry I know you want to tie them into it & make them look bigger than what they are but sorry sir they bleed just like us & have to answer to God just like us . When I was a youth knocking white people out they did not morph into some celestial slave owner & punish me they got punished & stomped out by Timberlands but you may think that they had the angelic power to not feel the pain & bring back slavery upon me , your brainwashed & you still fear the white man & you glorify their muscle upon this world , me I don’t think about white people as much as you maybe because I live in DC where it’s mainly black . & no I don’t tithe 10% do your research on tithes , because tithes were food that people ate the corrupt modern day church switched the meaning of tithes into money . If you read Leviticus 27:30-33 you’ll see tithes was food whether produce , herds , or herbs . Moving on next question ? Oh & yeah no I don’t follow a black pimp I don’t associate with black pimps in the church & Martin Luther King is not my role model . Martin Luther King’s role model is my role model . The more you speak about people & race the more I realize how much you do not know God nor do you know His Son . You think the white man is responsible for breath & air , I feel bad for you because you’ll never have a spiritual relationship focusing on what so & so is doing & what what race just did 45 minutes ago or hundred years ago . If I say that I encountered a supernatural experience with God who is Elohim the divine creator that means absolutely nothing to you & you’ll go right back into a rant about Caucasians that’s because you only know the creation & your out of touch with the creator , I’m praying for you that the veil is lifted up from over your eyes because let you tell it the veil is over my eyes . That’s scary . I know God I worship God He knows me we have a relationship an actual one a real one we communicate & we don’t discuss the white man . He helps me & He answers me . He created the white man , He created polar bears , He created the stars & the celestial beings the different planets & the air . Are you okay with that ? How does it make you feel knowing that Yeshua died on the cross for the sins of all mankind ? How about that ? The Bible speaks of Egyptians having slaves whites aren’t the only ones who had slaves the Babylonians had slaves ; the Persians had slaves . Ethiopians won wars against the Hebrews recorded in scripture does that make you feel warm inside ? Does that make you feel important now ? Grow up man get a life you have a heart made of stone . If a little white baby was in the middle of the street would you help the baby or would you say to yourself oh that baby is white let the baby die ? Just a question .

      • GregAbdul

        Mr. Jon my language gets hot because these things are not a joke. You are Christian because your ancestors were kidnapped and put into slavery by Christians and then those same white Christians decided to teach your ancestors slave religion. You have never been FREE to sit and study and decide which religion you would pick. How can you say you made a free choice to choose the white man’s religion while you were locked up in jail by the prison system that’s run by whites and meant to lock up black men? But you are missing my main point. Are you a protest black Christian? Does your preacher hold rallies and fight the white powers to make your community better? I am talking to you about how young black men today are not free to sit in a library and learn our history. You did not have that freedom. Once we have that freedom and we choose, I have no complaint. I am not here trying to narrowly define the right choice. What works for me might not work for you. But when you come here with the “jesus is the only way” nonsense….you are showing nothing but white programing. There is another way other than worshiping a man god the way whites taught us to in the slave quarters. That is not the issue….the issue is not how many ways there are. The issue is our freedom to choose our own spiritual way. Please be honest with yourself. your testimony shows you were not free. Islam says all people are inherently good. Today, with two inches of daylight you are fighting to be as good as you can be. You really look back at your bad past and you don’t see how you didn’t have much choice in the street life? The white man wants us in the streets. He sure ain’t too eager to give us decent jobs is he? I don’t hate all whites, but white hate drove us into slave religion. If you are a movement Christian, like Martin Luther King was a movement Christian. Praise be to God and you are my brother. Please don’t be a tool for pimps. You cleaned up but there are millions of young men you left behind and Jesus would not walk away proud and pure to leave others in the death and harshness of the streets. If your minister thinks those young men are not his job and only tells you about 10%, PLEASE…see the right that has cleaned you up this far and move up to the next level.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I follow Jesus not Martin Luther King because Martin Luther King preached more about civil rights than following God it was a different angle he came with because of the time no disrespect to King but Martin Luther King called himself reverend in Psalm 111:9 Reverend is God’s name I don’t call man reverend .

      • GregAbdul

        Jon we do this trick. To pretend that you got your religion and now get your religion directly from Jesus is a joke. The only way you know about Jesus is because first your ancestors were imported into a Christian area and taught slave religion. Even after that, the dominant white society had to keep the channels that force blacks into Christianity open, like Christian books, television and the churches in your drug ridden area. You probably don’t have the faintest idea of where your local buddhist temple is, but in the same crime ridden area that gave you no choice or chance, I bet there’s a church on every block. In the three major religions, it is a flat-out big sin and stupidity to say you do your religion in isolation. Jesus did not practice religion in isolation. In fact, Jesus practiced Judaism, so if you were really “imitating Jesus,” you would not even be a Christian. Finally, religion comes to us in a cultural context. Like I told you, the white man makes sure there is this certain brand of Christianity that is available exclusively for black people in America. When you sit there saying you have no use for Martin Luther King, you are confirming that you only know the Jesus that master taught. What a coincidence. You got no use for MLK? And neither did the white racist Christians who killed him. You need to quit playing stupid word games. Reverend is offensive? Is that in the Bible? ENGLISH IS NOT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF THE BIBLE. Dude….get off the pimp trip and join the black struggle. You came here and started about rap. Are you a white paid troll? Who taught you that being Christian means you are supposed to go around rejecting basic black culture? You are sad bro. Either you are lying about your race or you need help. Please drop the need to be somebody’s white-approved ho’. It’s really sad the responses you are putting here. You know the real effect of the words you put here? You make me so so happy I left that nonsense so long ago!

      • Jonathan Cayol

        If I have white masters I’m lost because I don’t even have white people in my circle , I don’t hardly see white people in my neighborhood & I don’t hardly see white people in my Bible . I’m lost bro . I don’t understand were all this white stuff is coming from Islam is a new religion that was founded 600 years after Jesus died on the cross Islam was prophesied about in Zechariah chapter 5 as well as Galatians chapter 1 . Islam is Antichrist . He who does not have the Son does not have the Father also . Your a child of Satan the Devil your a follower of hate & if you don’t repent & follow Jesus your going to go to hell forever when you die & there will be no breaks it will be eternal hell fire the Bible is waaaaaaay older than the Quran do your research the Quran hasn’t even been around for 2000 years , ya’ll are a spin off of Christianity .

    • 5% Hov

      Romans said Jesus said alot of bullshit.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        It’s up to you to believe what the Romans said I don’t care what the Roman people said , I follow Jesus . People call Elijah & Farrakhan honorable . Do you think I lose sleep about what people say or think ? I know Jesus for myself He is no longer on the cross or dead He rose the third day & made an open spectacle out of the entire demonic heavenly host . You can go by what people say but I hope that’s not how you base your judgments . You see the Bible is a book that testifies about the truth & the truth of Jesus & I believe because it bares witness in my spirit & God confirms His truth to me . It is the inspired word of God & prophets who heard God wrote what they heard this may be strange to you because you may perhaps be ungodly & godless so this may not be up your alley , you may not even think the creator who created our mouths can speak Himself .

      • 5% Hov

        Sure. Cool Story. Enjoy your life. Ok?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Right .

      • GregAbdul

        you believe the Bible because slave religion was beaten into your ancestors in the slave quarters, not through an objective study.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Wrong answer I believe in the Bible because it is the word of God . You believe your right & I believe your wrong , not only do I believe in the Bible but I know Jesus personally just like all true followers of Jesus . But to you that would sound bizarre because you associate the Bible with white people . Meanwhile there was Ethiopian Christians thousands of years before slavery took over west Africa . Black people like you sound like a sad case because you indirectly give the white man so much glory as they dictate someone’s every move as if they have so much power that I am a Christian because of how they perverted the gospel in the early stages of our stay in America . & guess what the slave masters who mistreated us have to answer to the same God for what they did to us . Just because the Word of God is true that doesn’t mean all the handlers of the Word of God are true . Just like you got snitches in the mafia . Get up off the white man’s tip . My father is a Muslim from Guinea & he said Islam was forced on them by Arabians my father has Arabian blood in his stream . They raped us too . Now you feel better , man your hate toward the white man is biased I bet you never even knew Mohammud aint no African name Khadisha & all that , man those are Arab names . Just like white people adopted mostly Hebrew names like Michael or Jonathan or Daniel or Sarah or Mary . Lolol you probably thought these were American names . Don’t get me started unless you have studied , otherwise prepare for Sunday school .

      • GregAbdul

        Mr. Jon….you did a comparative Ph.D religion course and then after 10 years you picked the same exact religion that was beaten into your ancestors? Please address facts. You never picked. When you was a kid, they grabbed you by your nappy head and dragged you into church….some of us grew up and decided we will choose religion for ourselves or at least try….as opposed to sitting on a mental plantation that is over 400 years old.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Nah I asked Yeshua to come into my life when I was over the DC jail & He miraculously changed me . At first I wouldn’t have the energy to do all this here with you & if I was to see you at first I’d probably just plot on killing you & empty the clip on you & continue living a life of fun like most young black kids from DC , yes I did come to the knowledge of Jesus through family dragging me to church but I never had a one on one relationship with Him , I would steal out my grandfathers church plate & go buy rap albums that’s how I got the Chronic CD you might think that’s okay pure & innocent because your father is not god but your father is the devil . That is the reason why you have hate toward races because Satan has hate , I don’t hate one living or dead human being . I don’t hate the black people who kills each other & I don’t the white people who killed each other back in the day , hate means murder now as far as the word hate meaning reject yes I hate them yes I reject them . But love means choose & I choose to love . I had to have a personal relationship with Jesus nothing fake nothing phony or pretend . The white man has nothing to do with me getting the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues & God answering my prayers this is all spiritual now if you wanna give the white man credit for my spiritual relationship with the Most High God then I realize what kind of breaking down of teaching I’m going to have to really take time & give you . The white man has your keys to heaven & you can’t get them back until you forgive them . No one who is bittter can ever enter the kingdom of God . I even got upset looking at 12 years a slave & seeing how the white man manipulated us with scripture but scripture has no evil of it’s own it is the handler who is handling the word just like these money hungry pastors etc. they will all be judged scripture speaks against them , you cannot serve two master you will either love one & despise the other no one can serve both God & money Matthew 6:24 .

      • GregAbdul

        you did not do an honest search to find God. We are pressed in America and you let people press you into slave religion…like we always do…out of desperation to get the white man off your back. But you need to understand, when the white man pushes you in a certain direction, often it’s the wrong way. ….worshiping a man is the clearest example….

      • GregAbdul

        your father must be a liar because Arabs did not force Islam on anyone in Guinea. You google it and show me the Arab invasion of West Africa. I think I know a little more about Islam than you do. You keep chirping that the Bible is fact. People like you refuse to study and you sort of do not belong in the conversation. There are some crazy blacks posting here, but most of all, they are trying to be free thinkers….you are parroting the white man’s line, like you a puppet with a cracker’s hand up your back. They beat Christianity into your ancestors if you are black American. To say you are directly descended from Africa…then you are one of the few ignorant Africans I have ever seen post nonsense like this. History shows us Arab invasions. The slaves on the boats were MUSLIM BY CHOICE who where then beaten raped and terrorized into believing in slave religion…let me guess…you are saved dark skinned person…and you are here lying talking about how you freely chose slave religion?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Yeah I am a slave to Jesus who is a spirit . Jesus is the Word of God . & the Word became flesh . Jesus said if you hate your brother you have already committed murder or if you look upon a woman to lust you have already committed adultery , so evidently because I know slave masters killed us & slave masters raped our woman wouldn’t you consider that these quotes even judge them to everlasting condemnation ? White people are not even in the Bible all like that brother other than the one’s who the Pharisees told to kill Jesus the Hebrew Pharisees told the Romans to kill Jesus . Other than that some Italians converted & king Herod trying to kill Jesus x y z . or Japheth (who is the father of Spanish people) one of the sons of Noah & all the white people who he begot , but Noah also begot the African nation through Ham such as Cush , Libya , Egypt man the Bible is awesome you should stop believing what everybody tells you who I’m sure are God haters & you should really humble yourself , but if your arrogant God cannot help you because He resist the proud , Jesus aint come for the self righteous that means people who are right in their own opinion .

      • GregAbdul

        you are a slave to white approval. you are a slave to the white idea that you are caged in your mind and that the first amendment does not apply to you. you are caged in the idea of a black mental and spiritual plantation, where there’s this big “blacks only” sign and you sit comfortable behind it, making a ton of nonsense excuses….”you believe the Bible…” because the white man took it into the slave quarters and told you that would be the religion of your ancestors. If you say you got it in prison…you really are going to tell me you freely chose white religion while residing in a white man’s prison and that was a “free” choice? Let me stop. I don’t condemn Christianity in general, but you are talking the pimp line. I am here talking about Nazi pimps, but the ones really raking in black money are the pimp preachers….if I bite and get “saved” like you, the next thing you will be doing is telling me to go march for black rights? I can tell clearly that ain’t you. You got that real slave religion. Go google it: SLAVE RELIGION. I need to give 10% right? To your pimp? Please tell me I am wrong and you don’t bend over like that. Please tell me you are a Christian like Martin Luther King was a Chrstian. MLK was a great man and a great Christian. Do you imitate him as he followed Jesus or do you follow a pimp preacher? Go to a library and research the Bible if you are really brave. Most brave truth seekers who go investigate the Bible leave Christianity. But I am telling you I have no problem with the religion, just the pimps and negro pimp followers….if you follow a negro pimp preacher, please leave me in peace because I am supposed to be nice and blacks are suffering for slave religion and pimp preachers and I got no use for drones.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Actually it’s frightening how wrong you are & you will not go to heaven when you die but you will rot in the flames all because you reject God due to what the white man did they blocked your brain from the truth due to how they presented the Bible to us which was unholy & they are in hell right now & you will see them & join them if you don’t ask God to come into your heart & help you with hate , if you reject the Son of God you are condemned already & I guarantee you God loves you so much He will give you a sign afterwards when you read this message & it will freak you out . I guarantee He will speak to your conscience . I will keep you in my prayers .

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Romans said Jesus said …. The way you started your sentence needs one of those wrong answer buzzes from a game show . He say she say , 2000 year old gossip …

      • 5% Hov

        ” He say she say , 2000 year old gossip (+fairy tales)”

        The Bible.

    • GregAbdul

      so when you highly esteem the white man and his god, does that make the white man and and the god he forced on your ancestors “an abomination”????

      • 5% Hov

        ……………………

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I never highly esteem the white man & I don’t know who the white man’s God is . I don’t even understand what all this white man stuff is about . What white man are you talking about ? I don’t know this white guy you keep coming at me about . I know God I know Jesus I know the Holy Spirit but this white man stuff , I’m lost man maybe you can help me . I never knew my ancestors I have not lived over a hundred years old , all I know is that when I pray I hear God who is a Spirit & He speaks to me . The Bible says God is a Spirit John 4:24 . Maybe you should open your Bible up one day . Has the white man done something to you ? If so I hope you forgive him . I hope you forgive the lil black hoodlums too forgive the Cambodians & the Eskimos because man if you don’t forgive the Bible says you wont be forgiven & if you die that way your gonna go to the lake of hell fire for the rest of your natural life all because of your own petty doctrine that holds grudges . Are you happy there ?

      • GregAbdul

        you know the white man’s god and like Brother Malcolm said…if someone tells you “let’s run away…”

        You would say “are you crazy?”

        STUCK ON DA PLANTATION!

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Run away from what ? I did enough running from police when I was selling drugs , now I’m gonna run my mouth until the police tell me I must die for my faith , more Christians are martyrered than any religion do the research Muslims kill us everyday like it’s nothing then tell somebody hey don’t eat pork what a joke . You don’t eat pork ya’ll got that from the Bible I bet you really think it’s because the pig is sinful lololololololol ya’ll aint ever realize that unclean food always symbolized fellowship with unclean pagan people because those pagan people had similar traits & characteristics that the animal did which symbolized the person & the Israelites were not to fellowship with unclean people fellowship means to have something in common to be on one accord . It’s so sad because I can actually teach you & help you learn a whole lot but your prideful & think your already okay . So sad .

      • GregAbdul

        Christianity comes to black America through slavery….
        I can’t use the exact word, but as politely as I can I say to you….pork is N*gger food.

        Didn’t no Arab bring my ancestors to the New World on slave ships to murder rape and torture them for 500 years…. That would be your real god, the white man.

        STUCK ON DA BRAIN PLANTATION…….

        Peace out.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Your a lost soul who only knows Arabic by saying Asleema Linkem & Malinkemsahlam . You will go to hell for hating white people if you don’t ask God for help . You are brainwashed with hate .

      • GregAbdul

        you ain’t a god and your god the white man don’t get to decide about my soul. I ran away. I ain’t on da brain plantation no mo’

        Religion is way more than the narrow things you push here. MLK was a true Christian and a strong and real black man. My religion teaches me not to play like I am a god to make pronouncements about anyone’s soul. Jesus was humble. I don’t think he called anyone a “lost soul,” so that makes three points of difference between you and Jesus. He was a practicing Jew who attended synagogue and he was full of compassion for unbelievers without demanding they follow him.

        Please get off the brain plantation and slave religion and be a true and good Christian. MLK showed you how. Don’t be afraid. They killed Dr. King, but they cannot kill the good and right he stood for. Being a mouse and following pimps and slave religion are not freedom.

        Love ya’ bruh….LET’S RUN AWAY!!!!

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I’m going to stop because I am not helping you & you are not helping me . Proverbs 20:3 It is to one’s honor to avoid strife , but every fool is quick to quarrel . Pardon me for my foolishness for contending with you for this long especially after it was obvious that you will continue with the white man stuff & I will continue telling you about the spiritual relationship & about slavery being slavery just as Islam enslaved us , I provided the proof , gave you videos to click on . I cannot help you , your beef is white people & because of what they did the Name of God is blasphemed Romans 2:24 , PS. It’s called Romans because it was a letter to them to convert & believe in Yeshua Ha Mashiach because they did not follow God they followed Greek mythology & starts & celestial signs etc. horoscopes etc. capricorn etc. that’s they’re stuff , but let you tell it they started this whole Jesus talk . I’m done . Please leave me alone I am through I don’t want you to speak to me anymore you are a thorn in my side a hater of races & I have nothing in common with you , if I have a problem with a white person I will tell them personally , you have been doing this for a very lobg time you need help I will be praying for you & it’s scary because you think your ways actually are pleasing to God who made all races , you will go to hell if you don’t change that is a fact according to my book , your book is Satanic so you’ll think your good . Your bitter you need help , like a wounded man bringing his old relationship in a new relationship . You need Jesus the one you hate because of white people . You hate white people & you think I am a slave & white people are my slave masters I get it trust me I understand the way you feel . Now please go in peace if possible . If you want the last word you can have it but if this keeps going I’ll have to block you because I can’t do this everyday , you can but not me .

      • GregAbdul

        we should not go on and on forever. but I like talking with you. Of course I won’t go back to the brain plantation. I ran away and an escaped slave does not turn himself back in to be used by master. You are mad citing the Bible here. Why is that? Can you tell me about the history of the Bible? How did the slaves end up learning the Bible and becoming Christian? I ask you many questions and our lack of movement in our conversation is you run from my questions. I don’t run from yours. You don’t realize that this Arab attack thing you do is modern slavery. Arabs did not bring my ancestors here in slave ships to rape murder and torture them. Arabs did not erase my ancestors identity…which i keep telling you…was Muslim. It’s white diversion….all the while you are running from basic questions. You did not freely choose your religion…the First Amendment, because of the internet, is starting to reach the slave quarters, but because many black people do not have complete constant internet access, our freedom of religion is not quite all there yet. You were not put in jail by Arabs and shown that the only way is Islam. The white Christian man caged you and then they came to you with a Bible and then you saw the light. The prison was built by whites and it wasn’t built for white boys. You have never had a chance. They are telling you that you are inherently evil and they locked you up and gave you the light. That’s a white lie. You are inherently good. That is why you keep coming back and talking to me. your heart is inherently good. You don’t have “original sin.” The concept is unjust. Is God unjust? You come out of your mother as a child who can’t even walk or talk….and you are a sinner? Christian dogma is silly really. If you are born with sin, then every child dies and goes to hell? Of course not! So then they tell you original sin miraculously disappears for every dead child because the logical consequence of saying every child is born evil and fit for hell and that getting saved is the only way to heaven logically throws every dead baby into hell. Can’t have that obvious dumb idea out there can we? You know you grew up doing bad things…but you were like most black kids in a hostile world that was not giving you the guidance to give you a chance. Your parents grew up in a hostile world that feasted on their every fault. Eighty percent of the Muslim world is not Arab and Africa is 50% Muslim. This is not about Arabs. This is about you letting the dominant group deceive you into thinking you deserve the bad treatment you have gotten your entire life. You were not a 50 year old man who dedicated himself to crime after an upbringing in the best schools in the world. White America is at this very moment closing doors on black boys and girls all across this country. Jesus tells you to be for the children. Why would you go through what you have gone through and then think ultimate spiritual submission to those who ruin you is the answer to you being whole? Does the raped woman fix herself by forever submitting to her rapist? There are good white people, but you are cutting yourself off from them. Around the world, whites convert to Islam faster than black people. Many of them like truth and goodness. When I tell you, this is not about religion…and you go and on…with what was given in the slave quarters…you can say it’s not about white programming, but that is exactly what it is. I am telling you, go be Christian, but there are blacks who are not being given a chance in America….AND YOU DON’T CARE? Because everybody needs to practice slave religion like you and that is the only thing that matters? God made us different. If God wanted me to practice slave religion, I would be blissfully jumping up and down in some pimp’s church. When you try to say that religion has nothing to do with church, that’s more pimp programming. Christianity is fellowship and being in a relationship with fellow believers. This is all bleeding together and getting long, but please answer my points. Look into your heart. I am not asking you to leave Christianity. I am asking you to quit buying into the idea that you are inherently evil and that is why you were a bad kid. Are you a parent? Kids are dumb. You see them do so many dumb things, but what motivates any parent is you see their inherent goodness. You see them messing up, but you know it’s out of ignorance…not because they have some sin in them they gained by being born. They are teaching you God is unjust and you buy it because they put a book in the slave quarters that they interpreted to say gives them the authority to mistreat black people. That book was not the Quran. It was not Arabs. Quit running from the simple truths I tell. You freely chose an oppressive white-controlled interpretation of Jesus….while you were in a white man’s jail? That is the biggest one I wish you would let go of. I am begging you because I see your deceny…black boys growing up behind you, should not have Jesus shoved down their throats from a jail cell. We should be free as young people, to explore and learn and grow without the white prison system waiting to snatch us up and cage us like animals. I use bad words with you because you can’t see. If your religion does not give you real compassion for people, then that is what your religion calls “dead works.” Black children should be free to learn learn learn….if after they have this freedom, they choose Jesus fine. But you want to pretend the only freedom is to follow what was shoved on you in a jail cell. The First Amendment still has not reached the slave quarters. I studied Christianity. I am a black man and I know how my ancestors became Christian. I know what they were before the white man raped my mothers and slaughtered my fathers. That by itself is almost enough not to ever consider white religion. But they did these things and then forced our ancestors to worship a man whom they painted white. God is not a man. It’s even in the Bible, Deuteronomy 4:10-20. I used to know your Bible. I used to study it…untill I studied it in a serious manner and then praise to God, He set me free. When you refuse to say you are for black kids being free from being shackled at birth, you are showing a dedication to whites and their wanting no real freedom for black people. I guess that makes four ways you are not like Jesus. Muslims adore Jesus, but we know every holy book says never to worship any man. The cracker told you to worship a man, so you really do place the white man and what he says above your own book. Which is another thing I learned from studying Christianity and black people. Please suffer the children and their freedom to learn…and don’t make it five ways you are really not at all like Jesus.

      • GregAbdul

        please read this long boring thing I wrote below…because I like you and I fully read your posts, even though it’s Ramadan and I am very busy. I will always read your posts and respond to you. When you get tired of me…that’s cool too.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        I’m on Facebook you could send me a friend request .

  • MIC

    THEY ARE ALL TERRORISTS, IF I HEAR A RAPER SAY ALLAH I DELETE ALL THEIR MUSIC AND SOP LISTENING TO THEM. LOST 4 FRIENDS IN THE WAR AGAINST THEM.

    • Chrisblackusa

      You never lost a friend to the noi…

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  • GregAbdul

    Mr. Chuck, this thing you write raises some interesting questions. The first one is, you say the NOI brothers are respectable. You are so typically NOT in the Nation…so does that mean you yourself are not respectable? And of course your daughter has to marry an NOI dude. That is clearly what you imply and that is why you clean it up at the end. You started this writing saying they called you for a purpose and I may be slow, but I never saw where the purpose of you hanging around them was spelled out here. I think you may be young and dumb. Your daughter will probably be very American and sleep with whoever she feels like sleeping with and like most American dads, you either will not be around or you will shut up and go along. That’s two major nonsense points, but let me get to the third. You should become a Negro Nazi. That is what they are. It’s a n*gger thing. You praise Minister N*gro Hitler aka Farrakhan and his Negro Nazi movement, but you make it very plain for any person black and especially white to hear, YOU WOULDN’T BE CAUGHT DEAD ACTUALLY FOLLOWING FARRAKHAN. There can be no greater black hypocrisy. If they are the real deal (and they are not) then you should join the fake Muslim N*gro Nazis. “Heil Hitler!” But you know better. Can your daughter join? Will you be down when she decides to follow the Nation and leave your church? Black-racist, jew-hating, fake Muslims….is that what you want for your daughter? Is that what you want her to marry? The real answer when we drop the black bull sh*t is obvious. You are NOT in the Nation of Islam because you know it’s stupid. Please don’t write and post things on the internet that you know are nonsense, that you would never be caught dead doing, or ever want your child in, but you sit here making fools out of your own people. The difference in white people and black people these days is you. Whites don’t play their own for fools and encourage them to become Nazis or wish a Nazi boy for their daughters…but here you are….nothing wrong with a black nazi right? Please stop being a black hypocrite….go join them. That is the easiest way to see your daughter married to one…or be a real man and be honest and stand clear of Negro Nazis. Our people on the slave ships were true Muslims not this made up Neo N*gro Nazi nonsense that came along later. Be a real man and get with real Muslims….or go on to church and drop the stupid N*gro hypocrisy.

    • 5% Hov

      Did you read the full article? lol

      • GregAbdul

        sure did…but I didn’t need to….are you a Negro Nazi?

      • 5% Hov

        Why are you talking about negro nazi’s?
        What post are you on? Whats the agenda bruh?
        You mad off topic.

      • GregAbdul

        The topic is Negro racist uneducated black people who do not follow Dr. King or Brother Malcolm X because they are ignorant of black history. Question: Martin Luther King marched on Washington in 1963 and the next year was able to secure for blacks the Civil Rights’ Act of 1964. Farrakhan was alive and a young man at the time. Did he participate? Did Minister N*gro Hitler actually help Dr. King to make progress for black people? Even today, the only real thing of consequence that Farrakhan ever did was to kill Brother Malcolm. So why are you pumping up his goons? The NOI is the topic. When the white man sees you are ignorant and you love Nazis, do you think that makes the white man more or less likely to throw you in jail for a long time at his first opportunity?

      • GregAbdul

        and let me say again….address what I say….I READ IT (to put it as nicely as I can) AND IT AIN’T TOO ADVANCED.

      • 5% Hov

        …………………

      • God Body

        I don’t think anyone here in this thread is a follower of Farrakhan. Unless I’m mistaken, You’re the only religious person on here right now. Farrakhan would classify himself as a religious leader right? You have more in common with him than I do. I’ll tell you straight I don’t follow any religion. Certainly don’t have time for racism either. MLK and Malcolm X will always be my heroes for the same reason they’re probably yours, and thats nothing to do with religion and everything to do with example. So now we’ve cleared that up, what was your point?

      • GregAbdul

        you are fake followers of Farrakhan. NO your Negro self knows better than to actually join them. You know the crackers ain’t playin’ dat. But you sit here behind the crackers back with that “the NOI is cool, BUT…” hypocrisy. I am against the murderers of Brother Malcolm. I will only be with Farrakhan when he truly repents and it looks like he never will. I am here making it plain, I can’t stand a Negro Nazi. Maybe I am confused and you are not here playing boy to a bunch of Negro Nazi pimps…please straighten me out and show me someone gave you a real black history book when you were growing up.

      • God Body

        You just came here to rant. So try enjoying the rest of your day bruh, things will get better.

      • GregAbdul

        I came here to ask why you would reject Brother Malcolm and Dr. King and embrace a Nazi pimp over the men who died for us.

      • 5% Hov

        wow. Alot hate in your heart hey greg?

      • 5% Hov

        Exactly.

        Apart from I’m not fan MLK – although I like to think maybe if he didnt die he would of eventually got militant when he realised the government wasn’t going to actually pay any reparations.

      • God Body

        Like a lot of these so called black leaders, they were flawed and sometimes naive. What I liked most about Malcom X story was when he came out of prison he seemed to make a genuine effort to turn his life around. and where wherever he saw injustice he acted to correct it. He was treated badly by the NOI and particularly Elijah Muhammad, but he stayed committed and loyal to his cause. The NOI has many many flaws andjust like most good things it attracts people with alteria motives in their hearts and they come to the fore with their agendas sooner or later. What I take away from that is unity is important. Being strong in your convictions is important and being logic in your actions is important. I’ve seen a lot of name calling and death threats on this thread which makes no sense to me. I t appears that certain people wanna fight and argue rather than find a solution.

      • GregAbdul

        you can lie to yourself all you want. Obama is our modern MLK and a black people follow him at a record factual clip of 93% and believe me, the other 7% is mostly sellout Republican…you NGE and NOI’s are a small cult and most people jacking that nonsense off wouldn’t be caught dead in it. Please don’t be a black hypocrite. Join the color blind Obama coalition and if you really want to be radical, the most radical thing a black man or woman does in America is dare to stand up and disown slave religion….most blacks play this game….you sit in what master gave you to pray to and then you, on the side, talk about how you like Farrakhan….that is hypocrisy….5%ers are apostate NOI dudes….you are a heretic reject from a black cult if you are NGE. The NOI dudes shot the guy who invented 5%ers didn’t they? Wasn’t he an ex con and a hustler too? Why do you embrace the idea that you are a god when your race lags behind everyone else in America? You are a flawed human and what holds is back is dumb thinking: pie-in-the-sky, I-am-a-god….and most of us can’t even find decent work…you need to quit.

      • 5% Hov

        U asked 4 questions. Here are your answers.

        1) No. Why would he march to sell out and integrate to be marginalised and further belittled? No equality without equity.
        2) YES. Of course he didnt. Without the NOI whitey would have gave KING nothing. (if that’s what u think happened – because of course in fact we still got nothing – no acres – no mule – unfunded services and unequal pay)
        3) I’m not pumping anyone. Not sure how – if true that matters. U seem to think X was good – but NOI bad… so you must belive in Arab Islam then? smh
        4) I think anyone with any intelligence will see that the only one close to being anything like Nazi – would be you… Not because u said anything racist just because you seem unstable.

        Peace God

      • GregAbdul

        1) Dr. King was “a sellout”? Black people are with him…or you?
        2) whitey gave the NOI nothing. The NOI is a white tool that justifies white prejudice. It’s no coincidence that the KKK and the NOI used to work together. You could save us a whole lot of time and simply join the KKK since you are into hate groups.
        3) You are pumping Minister Negro Hitler aka Farrakhan…those are his goons….imitating the very people that killed Malcolm. There is Islam and then there is not Islam. over 80% of the world’s Muslims are not Arabs and Africa is 50% Muslim.
        4) calling me crazy is no rebuttal….well not a serious one. Jew hating racist fake Muslims is something that reasonable people do not fool with. Farrakhan is a charismatic and as soon as he kicks the bucket, there is no almost white pimp to take his place. Our ancestors on the slave boats were true Muslims (you say “Arab Muslims.”) This was their religion of choice until it was taken away from them. Our stolen identity is Islam….not NOI fake Muslim negro nazi Islam either. Come back to our true history bro and quit the nonsense love for Nazi pimps.

      • 5% Hov

        4-0.

        Sorry bruh. U arguing against someone else. I didnt say half shit you said I did. LOL

      • God Body

        Calling people Negro Nazis is out of order and wilfully ignorant. I bet you think everyone who isn’t like you hates white people. Try dialogue with people before you throw assumptions at them. It makes for a better conversation.

      • GregAbdul

        If you are a Neo N*gro Nazi, how is calling a spade a spade “out of order”??? Is this a thing were you get to do stupid ignorant things that disgrace black people and our real heroes and I get to be quiet as some sort of way of patronizing you? Why don’t you like MLK and Malcolm? They are the two biggies in our recent history who went out and got shot for you and me. Farrakhan is a Nazi pimp. Why would you be chasing an almost white pimp instead of real black leaders? Obama is our modern MLK. Do you think you will EVER catch our President within 10 miles of nary a Negro Nazi? Why is white hitler wrong, but Minister Negro Hitler is okay?….cause he’s a Negro Hitler? When you are black, that makes being a Nazi okay? TWO of Malcolm’s daughters have tried to take out Farrakhan…because he is an unrepentant murderer who killed their father. So why do you dis Malcolm X and sit here loving a Nazi pimp murderer?

      • God Body

        awww did someone hurt your likkle feewins earlier and now you feel the need to attack?

        Making strawman arguments doesn’t do you any favors. It really isn’t about divide. It really is about uniting. No one is on here disrespecting you. You’re kind of doing it to yourself.

      • GregAbdul

        you don’t seem to know how to answer questions. why are you here playing the fool for a nazi pimp?

      • Tall Shon or T.S

        No they did not ready the full article cus the points that this person made about the writer was not valid at all.

  • artcryme99

    eh, some people need to be told what to do. I got no problem with it. Hopefully once a stable environment is created the next generation will be able to think for themselves.

  • Killuminati

    Just because they are dressed nice and attentive, disciplined, and polite you love them? And also, how did they “take care of you”? And how were they nothing to play with? Because there is power in numbers? This might have been the worst article I have ever read on here! I guess that’s what I get for coming to a site that is ran by an illiterate hypocritical racist!

    • Ain’t No Future In Yo Frontin’

      ”Hypocritical racist”
      Your name is kill whitey wtf

      • Killuminati

        And I’m white….

      • Killuminati

        I use that name for all the racists who wanna go right to the ol “cracka” “saltine” defense as soon as I state my opinion/race

    • 5% Hov

      White troll…. saying you disagree with article is one thing… calling him a “racist” lol just shows… like your name – you’re a white troll….

      We dont think like that. Your name belies your ignorance.

      • Black Avatars

        The nation murdered Malcom and you clowns still love them lmao!!

      • 5% Hov

        Love the NOI? Nah I respect. Question.
        Who gave us Malcolm? LOL

        Fool

      • Killuminati

        Yep a white troll against the black man lol. You mooks crack me up

    • GregAbdul

      Ya’ right!

  • MadRespect06

    If your African American and you don’t understand what the NOI has done for black people before and after the Civil Rights movement than kill yourself. Unlike others they have cleaned up; educated more brothers and sisters than most. Big ups to Jay Electronica for turning his life around. peace

    • Killuminati

      He’s no better than a criminal doing time who turns to god…soon as they hit the block it’s back to the old life and who’s god? The only difference is he’s going broke from not doing shows and not living off that rich white chick no more so now he’s ready to work….soon as he gets a taste a that money again and can support them habits he’s gonna be right back in party mode…

      • MadRespect06

        Yeah you should def kill yourself…lame

      • Killuminati

        Truth hurts my friend….see how it goes with u black nazis lol. Someone don’t see eye to eye with you or see’s something for what it really is and it’s “die”. You help me prove my point my friend. Thank you.

      • SAD_FACED_CLOWN

        Jay Elect is so far from Broke son.

      • Killuminati

        Yep….let me see…you sign a record deal with roc nation and drop one mixtape since and disappeared for like a year or 2 (aside from the news of your illustrious love affair with a rich white chick and a mediocre feature on big Sean’s control) and then when you return you site your problems with drugs and alcohol…but now your ready to work and take over the game? Yea he’s still got loads of doe bro I think you might be right.

      • 5% Hov

        Safe to say – He is far from “broke”

      • Killuminati

        He hasn’t been touring lol not really since 2010 my friend. So slow doe it is….

      • 5% Hov

        Saw him in London in December…. Stockholm last year… so…

    • focus on you

      I respect the beliefs and the success of the NOI, however you should kill yourself if you really believe they did much for black people during the Civil Rights movement. Didn’t the NOI kill Malcolm X? I’m from the south and I know what MLK and others did for the Civil Rights Movement, but I don’t really know what the NOI did. Malcolm X did educate alot of brothers and sisters, but outside of him nothing else, maybe they did alot for NYers and other members of the NOI during this time, but they were worthless in the south, just a bunch of talk.

      • 5% Hov

        Your confused bro. They raised the consciousness and spawned so many movements – to equate all they work to killing X is misguided. Yes SOME of leadership helped the FBI / CIA to kill X – but on the real bruh.. they wanted him gone…. dont minimise all progress those brothers brought….(X, ALI, Clarence 13, Black Panthers, Rollers etc)

        HOWEVER i aint with that white people are devil / spaceship shit either…..

      • focus on you

        Not confused like I said they may have raised the consciousness and spawned movements in NY but not down here in the South where the struggle was real with these white folks. Didn’t equate all of their work to killing X just stating a fact and wonder how killing such a great leader was a help to black people who looked up to him. X. Ali, the Black Panthers and maybe Farrakhan were/are great leaders who came from this fold and participated during the civil rights movement, but the rest are the ones who fill our prisons today and provide no leadership or guidance to the young black youth.

        I ain’t with that white people are the devil even though many are/ spaceship shit either….

      • 5% Hov

        You are contradicting yourself.
        The NOI gave us X and Muhamed ALI. LOL

        The biggest civil rights elements GLOBALLY at the time. It swayed countess civil rights movements al over the planet Especially in the south.

        You say you agree but you then say you dont. Maybe you are not confused. But you need to be clearer.

      • focus on you

        You are confused the NOI didn’t sway countless civil rights movements, MLK and the SCLC were the ones who started these movements, followed by the Black Panthers who BTW are not a part of the NOI nor were they associated with the NOI.

        Not contradicting myself my original argument was they did not do much for the Civil Rights movement and they didn’t, just a bunch of talk.

        X and Ali are the only ones who were positive voices for the NOI during this movement, X was only good for Northerners who weren’t suffering what the South was going through, while Ali used boxing as a global voice for civil rights.

        Like I said I do respect the beliefs and the success of the NOI.

      • 5% Hov

        Dude – they gave us Malcolm X – are you trying to say X wasn’t part of the civil rights movement?

        Secondly – AFRICA and India – (thats all I have to say)

        The fact that that you had the militant NOI was the reason ANY of the agreements where made with “moderate” blacks – MLK etc.

        Bro – X and ALI preached 100% what NOI had taught them….
        I’m started to think you not sure what your saying.

      • focus on you

        Are you not comprehending what I am saying, did you not read my second reply which I stated “X and Ali are the only ones who were positive voices for the NOI during this movement, X was only good for Northerners who weren’t suffering what the South was going through, while Ali used boxing as a global voice for civil rights.” How did you get I said X wasn’t a part of the civil rights movement?

        I didn’t agree with what you said about them swaying this movement when southerners had already started this movement with sit-ins, non violent marches, etc.

        I’m starting to think you don’t know much about the civil rights movement.

      • MadRespect06

        But bro you gotta to understand the civil rights movement was a National thing….Malcolm X was the spokesman for the NOI and he traveled to the South on Numerous occasion speaking and giving lectures on not “Turning the other cheek:” Remember the speech he gave IN THE SOUTH about “The white man releasing dogs on babies and children” and how they disagreed with this…. The NOI didn’t agree with passive resistance. Thats why the Black Panthers started carrying weapons as a means to protect themselves and there communities. It was a movement started by the NOI…..The south suffered some crazy shit no doubt…but the NOI wasn’t with the South’s leadership. period…

      • GregAbdul

        and that’s why the police all over America shot down the leaders of the Panthers like they were dogs and the only ones to live fled the US. The Panthers were a waste of time. They wanted to imitate Malcolm, but like most blacks, did not have the courage to actually be true Muslims. So they put on funny hats, started carrying guns and then set out to kill the Civil Rights’ movement…WHICH THEY DID.

      • 5% Hov

        “Panthers a Waste of time”

        Sure… at least I know who im dealing wit

      • focus on you

        Malcolm X, the NOI, nor the Black Panthers would have gotten you the freedoms you enjoy today. You should be thankful to the non violent leaders of the South, who actually went to Washington, DC and signed the Civil Rights Act that gave us the freedoms we all enjoy today.

        The difference between all that talking X did in the South compared to the North, is that whites owned the South and would have taken blacks to war, a war we would not have won, even if they had help from the blacks(who fled from the South to the North) in the North and out west where the Black Panthers were, it would have only been a slaughter of blacks. History shows how whites ended the Black Panthers movement, and how the whites contributed in ending X’s life.

      • 5% Hov

        Uncle tom

      • focus on you

        So I’m an Uncle Tom because I don’t agree with this article? Okay that must make you a dumb n1gger…LOL GTFOH

      • 5% Hov

        Nah – because you trying convince me I should thankful MLK was preaching lay down and join hands – when that effectively killed any hope we had of Justice and Equity in a country our ancestors DIED to built.

      • focus on you

        Okay well go back to using white only bathrooms then clown.

      • 5% Hov

        Sure. Polarizing statements like that are why your confused.

      • 5% Hov

        Oh so… this is the best we could of hoped for?
        LOL
        MLK your hero right?
        Ur whole self deprecating argument exists only through an uncle tom mentality.
        FOH

      • focus on you

        MLK should be your hero as well. MLK is one of my heroes along with Malcolm X. Nothing was self deprecating just showing my deprecation of this article, I don’t agree with.

        I guess it was too difficult for you to spell your(not ur), that’s that dumb n1gger mentality.

        BTW, DUMB NIGGA, “GET YOUR HAND OUTTA MY POCKET!!!” LOL

      • 5% Hov

        He’s not. Sorry. Ima Garvyite at heart. I’m with Freedom and Equality.

        We didn’t get nor did we set out on the route to get that be surrendering black owned businesses and land – I’m referencing ZERO reparations in the form of public utility assets.

        Sorry bruh… I didn’t swallow the myth :(

      • MadRespect06

        We could spend hours debating this topic but at the end of the day the only thing I was out to prove in this whole discussion is that for decades the NOI has been transforming young brothers and sisters into respectful citizens with a purpose. I’m not apart of the Nation but I respect what I see. Alot of my friends have turned their lives around 360 from their involvement. I think thats what the article was pointing out.

      • 5% Hov

        “The only ones…. BRo. ”
        U don’t know what ur talking about. They werent the only ones from the NOI. Just the biggest.

        Your airbrushed version of civil seems to only include the patsyies and non passives/

      • focus on you

        Yea the patsies(not patsyies) and non passives who signed the Civil Rights Act that lets you have the same freedoms today as the rest of Americans.

      • 5% Hov

        Exactly. Sell-outs. “Equality with out Equity is an illusion” – Marcus Garvey

      • 5% Hov

        Bro – all Militant Groups after NOI – were influenced by NOI.
        Panthers – Crips #Facts

        And in Africa and Parts of Asia – Ali and X did more for those countries than Sellout Al Sharpton or any of MLK’s camps did…

      • focus on you

        Why would MLK and Sharpton be worried about Asia and Africa when blacks here (your ancestors) were getting persecuted and treated unequally right here in America (where you live)? You sound like the sellout .

        Once again the Black Panthers were not a part of the NOI. And I’m quite sure the NOI doesn’t endorse Crips#RealFacts

      • 5% Hov

        U fool. I was saying the NOI and X impacted civil rights across the globe. I mentioned that to show the other idiots point about NOI doing nothign for civil rights to be absolute bullshit.

        As for the Crips – one goole search will show all the founding memebers were at one time NOI and Panthers members…

        Clearly you think the Crips started as some drug gang or something… when actually it about empowerment of community and resistance against police.

        #Ametuers

      • focus on you

        When it comes to proper grammar and spelling you sir are an Amateur(not ametuer)! LOL Dumb n1gger, maybe the NOI can teach you how to spell!

      • 5% Hov

        Beccuase spellin denotes intelligentence???

        Sre. OkAy. Great Logics

      • focus on you

        No it just proves you are an uneducated dummy.

      • GregAbdul

        Thank you foc….these guys are I don’t know how they think. Farrakhan kills Malcolm and they chase Farrakhan who did nothing during the Civil Rights’ Movement. Maybe they work for the KKK? Farrakhan’s boys used to have secret pacts with the KKK back in the day…did you know? White racist nazis and black nazis holding hands and they here pumping up Minister Negro Hitler.

      • 5% Hov

        “just a bunch of talk.”

        I guess all those armed groups that set up around the globle and across the SOUTH and the country don’t count.

      • GregAbdul

        you full of nonsense. The NOI brings “the white man is the devil”….and nothing else…you want to sound radical…..typical negro hypocrisy “I ain’t in the nation….” HYPOCRITE…if they bring the truth, you would be there. It’s not the truth, but you wan to sound radical. Quit fakin’!

      • 5% Hov

        “and nothing else”…. really Greg?
        HOW SWAY

      • God Body

        It’s kind of weird how you have both JN and GA going at you from 2 different perspectives. This is the confusion I spoke about earlier. I’m sure the both of them believe utterly everything they spout with the a conviction that could move mountains, both will claim God to be their own and on their side, and both going at you for not holding the same belief and yet they don’t agree with each other either. result = CONFUSION. That’s not to say I or anyone else has all the answers but just looking at the mess being made and admitting it doesn’t make any sense is a start.

      • 5% Hov

        LOL Its result of not allowing any new ideas in to there theories.
        All to common with religious view of the world…

      • Judah Nazayar

        nigga yo mind aint right… who the fucc do u think they are then? they rukle over everybody, kill everybody, and no one seems to know ..exactly where they come from….wake up shithead

      • 5% Hov

        LOL Bruh….

      • MadRespect06

        Seriously bro you gotta read ya history…..Black Nationalism is the main focus……Nation of Islam; Marcus Garvey The Moorish Temple etc; all came out of the same things. They were focused on Educating the masses of black people to think differently and to be proud of themselves…Black Panthers did the same thing. That was the focus…..Malcolm didn’t educate by himself..He was taught by the NOI…If you read his autobiography you would know that he credited the NOI for saving his life and giving him the voice to educate. I agree that the NOI has dirt on their hands but we talkin bout their body of work….as a whole. But you may not agree and thats cool

      • focus on you

        I also read in his autobiography that the NOI is also credited for killing the man as well. I am thankful for the NOI for educating and giving people like X, Ali, Farrakhan, and others the voice to educate.

      • 5% Hov

        How is arguing with me then? LOL
        100% true

      • focus on you

        ???What the hell is your dumb asss talking about now. At first I thought you were educated and had some valid points, now you are calling me an uncle Tom and mad at me because I respect those past civil rights leaders from the South, shows you are just a stupid black nigga. I hope you don’t end up like alot of those NOI brothers, locked up for being stupid.

      • 5% Hov

        Honestly you sound coonish

      • GregAbdul

        Mad, you think you are cool, but you are not. Ignorance is not cool. MLK and Malcolm are our true heroes…why you here pumping up a Nazi pimp?

    • You Got Me Hott Out Here!!

      How about you tell us? For those of us who “honestly” don’t know..

      • MadRespect06

        Black Nationalism started in the early 1910-1920’s…with Marcus Garvey’s Universal Negro Improvement Association…out of that came the Nation of Islam in the 1930’s. (I’m summarizing) The main goal was black empowerment. Everything stemmed from Jim Crow….black people were pissed and ready to change….many were torn between who to side with….the likes of Booker T. Washington or WEB Dubois. Assimilate or Separate. Fast forward to the 60’s and it was who to side with Malcolm X and the NOI or Martin L. King, jr and the NAACP.

      • You Got Me Hott Out Here!!

        No disrespect but I wanted to know “what they have done?” As in, where can I go to see this black progress? Actual progress, not symbolic.

      • Twonpass

        Hmmmm, you speaking to much truth young brotha…
        there is no answer for that ,
        why….
        cause there hasnt been any progress what so ever.

      • 5% Hov

        Go learn bruh – u sound mad stupid

      • focus on you

        You are mad stupid

      • GregAbdul

        you study what the Negro Nazis say. There has always been nationalism in the black community…even during slavery…Garvey, Elijah and Farrakhan are con men. Malcolm was the real deal and that’s why Farrakhan had him killed.

      • MadRespect06

        Wow….cats don’t read books these days. Can’t debate with dumb comments. Garvey was a con man?? NOI are con men?? And they wonder why our youth have no leadership….we know every damn thing already.

      • GregAbdul

        Garvey was a con man who was deported back to Jamaica because he defrauded blacks…saying he was collecting for a ship to go back to Africa…and not a single soul every saw a boat or went back…that’s called a con.

      • 5% Hov

        Blaspheme.

      • The_Good_Life

        Let me educate you. Garvey was set up by J Edgar Hover himself. You know him, the dude that started propaganda saying MLK was a communist and Gay. Before Garvey got prominent in the US, he had already assisted many from the Caribbean and the United Kingdom by boat. The movement was called PAN AFRICANism. Look it up…

      • GregAbdul

        Oh! it’s the white man’s fault….why didn’t I see that one coming?

      • The_Good_Life

        It is documented. Not opinion. This is what you said “and not a single soul every saw a boat or went back…that’s called a con.” I provided evidence to the contrary and you went totally left field. This lets me know that you made a blanket statement with nothing to back it up. Like I said, there absolutely no record of Garvey being prosecuted for extortion which is what you accused him off.

      • GregAbdul

        He collected money to send black people back to Africa…without me researching it, the boat had a name and that was the specific con….you are mixing subjects to save face…the Black Star Line or whatever joke they called it…never took a single black person back to Africa….the Carribean is NOT Africa.

      • The_Good_Life

        You lack comprehension. The reason why he got donations in the first place is because he had already assisted people from the Caribbean and the UK to get to Africa via boat. Got me now. That is where he got his credibility. As for the US, he sent mail out to his donors showing them the ship he WANTED to buy and he put the BLS logo on it. Since BLS had not yet acquired the ship they charged him with mail fraud. When the mail fraud charge sprang, the government seized his US assets (BLS donations), rendering his ability to complete the purchase, then deported him. Marcus Garvey is a national hero in JA. Similar to George Washington in the US. This, like I said earlier is all documented.

      • GregAbdul

        I quote Wikipedia: “Garvey recognized the influence of the Ku Klux Klan, and in early 1922, he went to Atlanta, Georgia, for a conference with KKK imperial giant Edward Young Clarke. According to Garvey, “I regard the Klan, the Anglo-Saxon clubs and White American societies, as far as the Negro is concerned, as better friends of the race than all other groups of hypocritical whites put together. I like honesty and fair play. You may call me a Klansman if you will, but, potentially, every white man is a Klansman, as far as the Negro in competition with whites socially, economically and politically is concerned, and there is no use lying.”

        He supported the KKK. And you support him? If you really support him, the Black Star Line was about blacks getting out of the US and moving back to Africa. This was Garvey’s life work….

        So when you goin’ back bruh?

      • The_Good_Life

        Wikipedia quotes is not immiscible in any institution of higher education so you can keep your cut and paste. Now to Garvey; if you do enough reading you will realize that he was a separatist. He did not believe in integration. He was from the generation that came directly after slavery. That is why Rastafarian, NOi, 5% and other pro black groups don’t believe integration was positive for blacks. Also, to give some context, the KKK of the prohibition era is totally different from the KKK of the civil rights era. They were high members of government (democratic party, some Republican) and clergyman (mostly Baptist). Kkk was radicalized in the 1950’s when a prominent kkk governor raped two white women and corrupted the judge to beat the case. This drove the movement underground where they developed into the KKK your alluding to. I say that to say this, I read his story so I can make a better judgment on Garvey dispite his flaws which he hid from no one. Am I a pan African or a separatist no. Did I always agree with MLK putting children in harms way ultimately costing their lives, no. Did I agree with Malcolm’s racism, no. Do I agree with bob Marley’s drug use, no. But in my opinion these men are just a few of the greatest blacks to walk the planet. Now that’s how you build an argument sir…..

      • GregAbdul

        LOL….either Garvey was in bed with the KKK or he wasn’t. You guys like the radical nonsense so much it really makes you say crazy things. “The KKK back then was different…” Are you a KKK sympathizer too? If you are a black separatist…are you writing me from Liberia? Are you a real black separatist or a typical black hypocrite, who likes to say radical things you will NEVER do???? MLK had his flaws, he never laid down with the KKK. Malcolm stopped being a black separatist and Farrakhan had him killed for it. Please join us my brother on planet earth. Join the Obama coalition. The President is our modern MLK. So it’s not too late. There are blacks out here joining hands with whites and people of all colors to make the world a better place. That is the black American struggle. Garvey was never accepted and he was a con man who ended up in exile. His movement is dead. There is NO unia today. It’s gone. We have President Obama and his agenda. Please black man…get with the program!

      • The_Good_Life

        I just agreed with you that he cozied up with the KKK. I just explained that I’m not a separatist. I’m starting to think you can’t read. You just made the same point I made. X made mistakes but it didn’t hinder his legacy, same as Garvey since in 2014 he is still debated. The panther where militant. Then they became RADICAL when they started killing innocent folk like the KKK. Copy, Killing innocent. By the way, I voted for Obama but he damn sure ain’t no MLK. Garvey did plant churches that still operate to this day and his teaching spawn the Rastafarian movement. I would think that’s a pretty big legacy.

      • GregAbdul

        I’m reading you, but you are doing a little bit of hopping around. If you are not a separatist and you are not down with Garvey, then we were disagreeing over nothing. Obama is our modern MLK. MLK was not divine. He was a man who dedicated himself to advancing black people and then expanded his movement to include fighting for all low-income people regardless of color. Obama is the extension upwards. He is fighting the 1% and standing up for the have-nots, who happen to be disproportionately black. There is no black movement anymore. There is the Obama left-center coalition. This is today’s revolution. Please do not sit on the sidelines dreaming about something that’s nonsensical that does not exist. It’s not about perfect. It’s about ideas. Nazism is stupid and it’s not cool because a Negro does it. Extreme black radicalism is a waste of time. If we are talking about advancing the black struggle for equality and if we are serious, that’s Barack Obama. He the most accomplished black man in America. You are right. There are UNIA churches…and they accomplish what? Obama has changed American health care. He is trying to move “My Brother’s Keeper,” which is a program meant to help young black men. King was debated in his time and downplayed and even in this thread you get people bashing him even today. The same with the President. I am at a point in my life where I respect accomplishment. Wining two presidential terms and being a black man is about as big as it gets. Don’t be a hater. Get with the coalition…..

      • The_Good_Life

        The whole argument started when you stated that Garvey was a Con man which was incorrect. I defended him, you prosecuted him. Obama isn’t perfect, and some regard him as con man similar to how you judged Garvey. I respect both accomplishment and will defend both and any other black that contributed to our society. The real problem is that their is a real subtle movement by some unknown entity to discredit the accomplishment of all prominent blacks past and present. From the top CEO,s and educators that never get coverage, to the inventors that got their patent stolen and received no credit, to black leaders who people want to accuse as criminals. Most young dudes are enjoying their youth right now and are not paying attention so its easy to misinform them. We have to set the record straight as best we can before they start believing things like the feds report about MLK using SCLC money to buy prostitutes. Another famous lie… That’s my angle..

      • GregAbdul

        I do not wish to argue with you, but black separatists have always been outsiders with a small, cult-like following. Mainstream black America has always fought for assimilation and integration. There’s no statue of Garvey anywhere in any important place in America, while Martin Luther King has a statue on the National Mall. Malcolm is big because he detailed his rejection of black only separatist politics and more importantly for his correct rejection of Christianity. The NOI is used by black Christians and white racists. It’s a stupid religion so you get black American Christians giving them play as a way to inoculate their young people against Islam. “The white man is the devil” is a stupid idea and that it is why it is welcomed into black churches. Such stupid black racism makes the idea of a man-god seem reasonable, even though it’s not. Integration is our struggle and it always has been. We did not move back to Africa and we never will because our struggle is to be treated equally in America. So in that context, Garvey is useless. Garvey, Elijah Muhammad and Farrakhan are not equal to Dubois, MLK and President Obama. You are using a false equivocation. “Nobody’s perfect….” But some of us are way more stupid and are totally off our historical struggle. The President is the living embodiment of our present struggle and Farrakhan is a pariah and the heir of Garvey. Those are pretty simple facts and I hope they don’t offend you. You are belittling a black man when you poo poo what Barack Obama has done. Are you a part of the conspiracy to belittle the accomplishments of black people? Black racist are idiots, impotent and aid the enemy. Garvey was a black racist. We can disagree but what bothers me with you is, blacks are oppressed today in America. No one is talking about going back to Africa to solve the problems anymore. That means Garvey is a waste of time and the money he took from black people for the BLS was a con. Once again….sorry if the truth offends you.

      • The_Good_Life

        Dr. King would disagree with the madness you speak in regard to Garvey. Here is Dr king disagreeing with you…

        Following that address, Dr. King dropped in unexpectedly to the delight of all 500 present at a reception at home of the USAID director. The following day, he visited the grave of National Hero Marcus Garvey to lay a wreath out of respect for a man he said, gave Negroes in the US a sense of dignity, a “sense of personhood, a sense of manhood, a sense of somebodiness”.

        I got this from the Jamaica Gleaner which is the top newspaper on the island. They documented kings visit to JA. The newspaper has an online archive so you can read many other articles on G. The site won’t post the link. I don’t think your stupid, just misguided.

      • GregAbdul

        so AFTER HE WAS DEAD…King went to his grave and said nice things? That’s an endorsement of black separatist politics? Dude why are you twisting a Christian minister’s respect for the dead in to an endorsement of Negro Nazi politics? The crazy Ta-heshi Coates and you….live to put lies on Martin Luther King. What you are really doing is showing the power of MLK’s legacy. Now since you realize MLK as a King maker, then stand with his policies. He was for integration and stood firmly against segregation of the races. He is one of the most loved and respected black American men in the world. Garvey’s movement is dead. Don’t try to use King to endorse what’s already been rejected by black America. You can fly to Liberia now for about $1,000. You don’t need my permission. If Garvey is right, then get on a plane. Don’t say you like him, but you are not a separatist. This is only more black hypocrisy. You like the guy who cheated people with a scam that used talking about going back to Africa….but you have NEVER even been to Africa for even a short visit…but you like Garvey right? Do you even know any Africans? Please get real. Obama is our guy now. Get with the program black man and quit trippin’…..

      • The_Good_Life

        Dude just admit u effed up…lol I love Dr. King but Dr King loved Garvey..lol….take it easy man peace…..

      • 5% Hov

        wow…. ignorance has name and it’s GregAbdullah

      • The_Good_Life

        Garvey was a conman??? People need to educate themselves before they speak and prove themselves idiots…

      • Judah Nazayar

        them niggas were a bunch of fuccin masons- traitors and agents of the white power structure. Garvey was a Mason and a jesuit
        FOH… the real men didnt get here ..until the last days- rifght now..wid the Israelites. We were foretold to come… symbolized by the 144,000.. All masonic niggas have to pay that bill..wid their life. Let a NOI even breathe a thrat to a israelite..an its full go on tem. fukk gms and their boolshet..them niggas are weak..wid no spiritual power..

      • Judah Nazayar

        this is 100 % truth. them nigas were also masons..just like the NOI^= agents for the slavemaster. U dont ever see NOI defend itself against chgarges do u? The whiteman is gonna serve the NOI up to us….

      • wickedjones

        And none of you Negroes have any power.

    • GregAbdul

      you silly. That’s a tired line. If I give you brain dope and make you a racist, that’s taking out one evil (like drugs) and putting in another (Nazism) that’s maybe even worse.

      • MadRespect06

        You lost me son…what you talkin bout?? smh

      • GregAbdul

        a negro nazi is a useless piece of poop…the NOI are Negro Nazis led by Minister Negro Hitler…aka Farrakhan.

  • Black Avatars

    They killed Malcom, but you love them? WOW

    • 5% Hov

      Who gave us Malcolm X?

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      • 5% Hov

        Fuc u

      • Judah Nazayar

        u aint gonna make it bro. NOI will be killed off by their own ppl. U better read the torah. if u aint following US..the israelites when we leave.. then u wid the enemy-instant death

      • 5% Hov

        im not NOI sorry bruh

      • focus on you

        The same ones who got jealous of him and killed him. The organization that killed him must have forgotten or didn’t care about that Civil Rights Movement that was needed for blacks during that time.

      • GregAbdul

        The NOI has always been about a lot of ex-cons….that’s why they do foolishness when they are not doing actual crime.

    • MadRespect06

      That’s another topic all together…..

    • Slick Blak

      Really the FBI under Hoover had the biggest hand in that. The leader of the Nation just turned his back.

      • Jeremiah Woods

        yeah african americans are playing themselves by not doing research in the information age!that could get out of hand saying the entire foi movement killed malcom your a fool!!!

      • MadRespect06

        100% bro

    • GregAbdul

      short and extremely well spoken my brother….THANK YOU!

  • My brother, I’m going through the same thing is you almost. My daughter is 10 and I definitely don’t want her bringing home none of those ruffneck, rapper wanna be types home. I want her to bring a respectable man home. One who will love her and treat her the way she is supposed to be treated.

  • I’m a bit worried about the judgement Chuck Creekmur is making here.
    “Protectors. Respectful. Disciplined. Caring. Concerned. And, even Classy.”
    The same could be said about the Nazis in Germany in 1930 or about
    any totalitarian regime in this world. Mormons also look so much cleaner
    to people than other members of any faith. But this is all a cult.
    True cleanness comes with education and from within yourself.
    This is a drill like in the military or a christian boarding school.
    Superficially seen it’s very clean. But they tend to sweep the dirt under
    the rug.

    • The_Good_Life

      You cut deep bra..

    • Godless Heathen

      Truth

  • joe bloe

    Do those guys even practice islam? or they just like the guys on venice beach that protect people for money, hold rallies, and chant things?

  • Pana1914

    Soooooo…all it takes is for a man to stand up straight and be as respectable as NOI brothers to date your daughter? In the famous words of Philly dudes: STOP DICKEATING BULL!!!!!!

  • artcryme99

    ranxerox!! where my art nerds at

  • Godless Heathen

    Chuck Creekmur is down with the black kkk and Jay E was with a Rothschild the most powerful zionist fam on the planet….the irony is incredible.

    • Black KKK? Really. Can’t argue with this level of idiocy.

      • Godless Heathen

        Wallace Fard Muhammad taught that the original peoples of the world were
        black and that white people were a race of “devils” created by a
        scientist named Yakub (the Biblical and Qur’anic Jacob) on the Greek
        island of Patmos.
        According to the supreme wisdom lessons, Fard taught that whites were
        devils because of a culture of lies and murder that the black man Yakub
        instituted
        on the island to ensure the creation of his new people…….Youre
        either being extorted, racist or lying to yourself and speaking about idiocy look at all the articles on this site do you feel black men and women are too stupid to see all the spelling and grammatical errors on this site or do you just not care? NOI and KKK are ideologically very similar racist views that one race is above all others much like another german organization from the 30/40s that im sure you love as well.

      • Judah Nazayar

        albert pike created the kkk… he was the grand soverign inspector general of world wide freemasonry… and he told u..its about homosexuality and lucifer worship. noi is kkk… plain and simp. thats why theyre targeted. When we get them… everybodys gonna join in

      • wickedjones

        you should take a biology class, then you will realize that Master Fard Muhammed, speaks the truth. Black people are the original people on earth, that doesn’t mean Black people are better than any other people. In fact Master Fard Muhammad’s mother is Caucasian. (this is no secret) So is Prophet Mohammed PBUH.

      • Godless Heathen

        white people were a race of “devils” created by a
        scientist named Yakub (the Biblical and Qur’anic Jacob) on the Greek
        island of Patmos.
        According to the supreme wisdom lessons, Fard taught that whites were
        devils because of a culture of lies…throw in the grafted skin shit and yeah thats completely supported by science.

      • wickedjones

        How is a mule made? How bout a grapefruit? and wear I live in Minnesota a honey crisp apple? They are all Grafted. and thats just 3 off of the top of my head. And you do know about dominant and recessive genes that every human being have.

      • Godless Heathen

        lmao im done. I cant argue with stupid. NOI isnt even accepted by Islam itself you take a 1300 yr old holy book and just decide to add to it as you see fit. Thats not muslim bruh thats a cult(mormons). You cant just go changing shit around to suit your racial ideals. Regardless im athiest and this is just another hateful religious group. Do you im good.

      • wickedjones

        I was going to write this long ass rebuttal, but il end it as i respectively disagree. What got my attention now is that plane that was shot down and the gaza conflict.

      • 5% Hov

        For reaal

      • Judah Nazayar

        oh..so u still being distracted? this shit is theater my dude.

      • Judah Nazayar

        atheisim is a religion. see? the whiteman who controls all aspects of society..gives u the parameter of thought. u thought being a atheist ..FREED u from God and reality. But u still live in this system set up by those who created atheoism=communism..so they control your mind..while leting u think ur controlling your own mind. All ppl know ..we Live in a LIVING world. Atheism is fuccin stupid. How do u NOt believe in sumn u are in RIGHT NOW?? the whiteman controls your mind

      • 5% Hov

        NOI – Yes.
        5% – No..

        Religion is for fools.

      • Judah Nazayar

        NOI IS A RELIGION. IT STEMS FROM FREMASONRY. WHICH I A RELIGION OF LUCIFERIANISM..OR *MAN IS GOD* BOOLSHET. EVER HEARD..*BLACKMAN IS GOD*= THESE FUCC NIGGAS STEM FROM THE WHITE SUPREMACIST ORG…FREEMASONRY

      • 5% Hov

        NOI is a religion – Yes. I just said that LOL

        As for luciferianisam – has nothing to do with man being god. I dont even know what that is. I think u made it up.

        NOI and many other Eastern religions – believe Man/Life itself is GOD.

        I co-sign that. As explain however i not with NOI religious dogma or any other religious dogma – including magic jew story’s by Romans.

      • Judah Nazayar

        right,..thats why there called the heathen. the gods are the israelites. and the devils are the controllers= noi..
        Romans are whites and Jews have been here for thousands of years b3 esau came out the caves. But if u are a stupid whiteman…just keep being a beiber. your future sucks. if u are bkack..smh..just keep coonin.,i enjoy exposin fraud niggas..thats what i do

      • 5% Hov

        Sure. When are back in full time employment?

      • Judah Nazayar

        FRAUD MOHAMED WAS A WHITEMAN. AND U KNOW THE PENALTY FOR WORSHIP OF WHITE PPL.. ON THIS DAY

      • GregAbdul

        you should go to school period…you talk like a high school drop out. Either you are down with black nazis or you ain’t….being first has nothing to do with it. Wicked please look below me cause crazy Judah just cleaned your clock…you worship almost white Farrakhan and purely white Fard…

      • GregAbdul

        you should take a biology class and realize that the NOI’s god is a white man…just like almost-white Farrakhan.

      • Judah Nazayar

        whites are going to be destroyed. they know this. why do u think u have spying and shit? and all these fuccery. sumbodys coming for them and they know it. and yes,, David Ford was a whuyte man..aka Fraud mohammed. and faracoons pops is a whyteman- NOI.. a white supremacist oragnization. The black is god ..is the 32/33rd degree.. worshipful master man is god luciferian boolshet. did u see SHAQS ring=worthy of worship.. now piece them together. its not hard

      • El Duderino

        His real name was Wallace Ford, and he was a white man who was a con artist before becoming a “religious leader”. Wallace Ford (Fard Muhammed) was a member of the Moorish Science Temple, which he ripped off of to create the Nation of Islam.

      • Judah Nazayar

        so sara suten seti and i didnt expose the nation of islam as a wing of the KKK my dude? u on sum boolshet. And i d hate to direct Israelite attention to this website…Becuz israelites run the internet. I dont know what u ninjas think ur going to accomplish selling yo azz… u just gonna get effed up. We are in all states and countries.. and we connect. U ninjas better fall in line..and get off this coon shit. Your not fooling anybody.. were just waiting for the Govt to make its move..so Iran can make its move..and we can get our hands on the rest of u nikkas.
        Its all a joke..until u see your childs head fall to the ground..widout his body becuz of negroes traitorous boolshet.

      • GregAbdul

        “Your skin makes you a god….the mothership will come, deploy its baby ships and that will be the end of the white man on this earth…”

        Now that’s idiocy.

      • 5% Hov

        Yes. Everyone can agree that is.

  • The_Good_Life

    The NOI just merged with scientology. Say no more!!!!!

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    • Judah Nazayar

      thank u… notice these coward ass niggas on here dont have shit to say..
      the blk man is acting like a true fagggot. collectively..a bunch of yung thug niggas. skirt wearing azz niggas is soft as caddilac seats

      • The_Good_Life

        Bra, I never agree with u, but we definitely got common ground on this one. .. Lol

  • Judah Nazayar

    when the Govt moves against the So called African American. The Nation of Islam..will be there to make sure we go into concentration camps. The NOI is a black faction of the french wing of fremasonry.= NOI has always worked for the enemy. Ask yourself..when is the last time these niggas did anything for our ppl??? HUH?? WHEN?? When the whiteman is killing us…where is the Nation of Islam? Im telling u..Im telling ..Im telling u.. The Most High Put the Spirit on the Israelite brothers..especially me. These NOI niggas will have to confront the brotherhood of prophets. This Govt will move on us.. And we will cry out to YAH…hes gonna send Iran over here….and then we will get our hands on the enemy..and the enemies friends=NOI. Any niggas talking NOI nonsense in that day..will be beheaded. This is a fact.. We are always watching.. and NOI is number 1 enemy that must be destroyed. We are te children of israel.. all else is sum fukk shit. We outnumber NOI 10 to 1… we and destroy all strongholds. REMEMBER THIS.. ISRAELITES VS NOI…. Them niggas dont stand a chance. They dont have the spiritual power. Check Judah Nazara Youtube..and get this divine knowledge. The gods r in the Building. Israelite gods

    • Judah Nazayar

      WE ARE IN THE MILLIONS.
      NOI- finished
      MOORS-finished
      5% street masonry-finished
      christian, catholic, baptiste..and boolshit idolatry that our ppl r n2 will result in a immediate death. We are getting of of america..by walking. Do u think we will tolerate a bunch of niggas talking about a EDOMITE is God in person?-INSTANT BEHEADING. U RAP niggas are also in danger. WE dont forget. Or forgive. Were watching u niggas… U baphomet niggas will be beheaded early..by your own ppl..or we will deliver you to the iranina troops..that will come to america. Your finished

      • wickedjones

        I respectively disagree. And yes I’m a believer in the NOI.

      • Judah Nazayar

        welp, thats your azz. YOU NIGGAS ARE THE ENEMY!!
        number 1 on that list of niggas to get

      • GregAbdul

        Mr. Judah, if people don’t join your religion, you will kill them? Is that how you spread your truth? And Iran is the one who is going to bring you to power? Iran is not a Hebrew state is it? When those non Hebrews take over the world, what makes you think they won’t see you as a apostate (kafr) and take off your head? The NOI is not a world religion, it is a hate cult. I get worked up over them…because they are dishonest. But you act like it takes a world war to be rid of what is not much more than a phone booth full of misguided black people. When Farrakhan croaks they will be done. You need to realize, most people simply do not see you as a “hebrew.” And you need to stop with the online threats.

      • 5% Hov

        LOL he think Iran well help Confused black Americans calling them self east African hebrews LOL

      • Judah Nazayar

        president of Iran at the united nations 2012

        “Who abducted forcefully tens of millions of people from their homes in Africa and other regions of the world during the dark period of slavery, making them a victim of their materialistic greed in the U.S. and Europe.”

      • Judah Nazayar

        u still laffing esau?? why would irans prez bring up this fact..while the whiteman was walking out of the UN. we israelites read and study and research. Thats why were the leaders now. Thats why we speak boldly..and the bytch nigga coon gets scared for his white slavemaster

      • God Body

        CONFUSION

      • God Body

        President of Iran couldn’t give a damn about us anymore than white people do. You should look into trying to understand Geo Politics more. It’s not what you think it is.

      • 5% Hov

        …………………………………………………………….
        If u think that’s an offer of help….. U truly are stupid.

      • God Body

        CONFUSION say. ‘We’re in the millions’ LOL

      • Judah Nazayar

        a online threat is.. *IM GOING TO KILL YOU*… i said..when Iran gets here. and this GOVT is busy trying to survive.. They will NOT be thinking about protecting sellout NIGGAS. Their wioll be no police in that day.. U niggas think ur in a paradise., your in the land of slavery and oppression. U think were gonna join wid niggas who call themselves *americans*..when theyre not even citizens? u better wake up sir. This society is falling quick. u are distarcted by entertainment..so its all a joke to u. But im telling u on sum street level brother info. We are the hebrews..and those who dont fall in line are gonna fall. Idk understad why this is hard to believe.. WE are in the MILLIONS now.. what do u think were gonna do..just sit there why u niggas coon out and sell us out? hell no.. Your ppl will get you..its already written..

      • God Body

        OK yeah we get it. When the big bad white people are too busy doing other stuff. Your plan is to go around murkin’ in the name of what now? Oh yeah ridding us of coons and sell outs and stuff. OK. Sounds like your got all your logistics together. Great work guy good plan. I’m all for reducing the coonery, no doubt it’s plague. I’m just not sure you understand the full extent of what coonery is. Shoutin at “naggas” you want to kill on the internet qualifies as some serious cooning if you didn’t know.

      • God Body

        You see what I mean about confusion though. that’s what all this looks like. And you know you got Hebrew Israelite who are peaceful and don’t act like this guy. I was building with one yesterday everything was peace. And then you know a couple of Muslims around the way who are ready to declare a caliphate and take 4 heads. These hot headed people think they represent us all. That’s the joke. and we look like. JOKES when we associate with them. What we should do is find common ground and get rid of the hate talk. thats what sicken. Those Negro Nazis you talk about. I don’t ride with them either, they are the antipathy of what I represent. Walk godly.

      • Judah Nazayar

        WELP, UR FINISHED. ALL U GONNA SE IS DEAD SUITS AND BOW TIES. KEEP THINKING THIS IS A JOKE. THIS ISNT A JOKE. WE ARE DEAD SERIOUS. DIDNT GMS AND THE OTHERS TELL U ALREADY> WERE NOT PLAYING AROUND. EITHER U GONA FALL IN LINE/..OR GETTING FUCCED UP. AND LOIUSE FARACOON AND THEM AGENT NIGGAS AINT DO NOTHING BUT BE PUT TO DEATH. FOR THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE TORAH. AS SOON AS A NIGGA MENTIONS ELIJAH MOHAMMED SAID- HIS HEAD IS GONNA FALL ON THE GROUND WIDOUT HIS BODY. DISAGREE WID THAT. AND NOI IS NUMBER 1 ON THAT LIST OF NIGGAS TO GET

      • 5% Hov

        ???

      • Judah Nazayar

        ur not even a organization. once we get our hands on NOI..i hardly doubt 5% will admit their 5%..they gonna fall in line..or get laid down

      • God Body

        all this grimey talk, you sound mad bruh. Kind of doing the white mans job with all this division you talking. simmer down a little and converse.

      • Judah Nazayar

        NIGGA FUCC U AND YOUR CRACKER LOVIN AZZ.
        THESE NOI, 5% COON NIGGAS ARE STREET MASONS. THE BIBLE TOLD U..WE WERE COMING. AND NOW SUMMA US ARE HERE. AND ALL WE DO IS MARK DOWN WHAT NIGGAS TO GET ON THAT DAY.

      • God Body

        <<==== 'CONFUSION. None of what you said made any sense. It's one thing giving out threats on the internet, but unnecessary to make your self look foolish like that. I kind of don't believe you're serious. As I read your various input on this thread though, it seem like that's your thing. Calling people coons whilst quoting from the bible is the funniest thing I've read today. I ain't your enemy, I can see your looking for one though. Be at peace brother. The fight will come whether you shout or not.

      • Judah Nazayar

        GO TO YOUTUBE..and watch hebrew israelite videos. N u tell me..theres nOT a big ass group..itchin to get their hands on rappers, and coons and sellouts/ if u missed this..u must be a victim. This isnt New. We are Not like yall. Yall niggas are slaves..and u love it. So..How do u expect us to unify and love wicked ass niggas? thats stupid. its not gonna happen

      • God Body

        Yeah I’ve seen those videos. some of the things they say I agree with. other stuff just sounds like some demented ranting. It would be good if you could actually achieve all the hype. I wait.

      • 5% Hov

        Wow. Calm down. How about we just debate like men?
        All that racial hatred will get you no where.
        Peace God.

      • Judah Nazayar

        RACIAL HATRED?? sir ..are u blacc or white? We arent going to fight against the whiteman. he has to worry about Iran. We need to focus on u worldstar hiphop niggas.. and how to get rid of u

      • 5% Hov

        I’m A Human what happens to black.
        Race is a western imperialist myth bruh.

      • Judah Nazayar

        we are already divided. NIGGAS=yall..who keep the slave shit going. And us= who are sick of tired of looking at u niggas.. and are planning on doing sumn about it

      • Judah Nazayar

        now get 3 likes for that. fukka coon and his slavemaster. get off that soft shit. man up. quit being a monkey

      • God Body

        Some petty shit right there. I shouldn’t even respond. yeah well I hope you achieve all you’re meant to achieve and all goes well for you and your killing spree, maybe you’ll find peace in that.

      • 5% Hov

        exactly were not an organization.
        so good luck with that bruh….

      • Judah Nazayar

        EXACTLY..U NIGGAS ARE SCARED TO DEATH. IM NOT A PEACEFUL TURN THE CHEEK ISRAELITE. BYTCH..ITS MASADA. IM JUDAH MACCABEE. AND NOI IS LOOKING LIKE THE PHILISTINES RIGHT ABOUT NOW. AND U COWARD ASS 5% NIGGA BETTER STAY SILENT. OR SUFFER THE SAME FATE. WHEN IRAN GETS HERE. IM DIRECTING OUR PPL AGAINST THE COONS AND SELLOUTS. THE BIBLE TOLD U WHAT WILL HAPPNE WHEN WE MARCH OUTTA HERE. THATS WHEN THE PURGE OF SUCKA AZZ NIGGAS BEGINS- bOOK OF JEREMIAH

      • 5% Hov

        Sure.Do you have a mental health problem?

      • Judah Nazayar

        YES…ITS CALLED ANTI COON NIGGA ITIS.. u type of niggas make my stomach hurt. Thats why ur own ppl are plotting against You. its just too bad bytch nigga. U gotta deal wid it

      • 5% Hov

        So. U do have a problem is what u saying.

      • wickedjones

        Instead of wasting yo energy on your own ppl who happen to think a little different than you. (theres only one god by many names) you should clean your internal house 1st then make your case to other organizations. You should be exposing them imposter jews over in so call Israel. You got all these slavic jews, running the world, probably created AIDS, and you tripping on some poor riteous teachers.

      • Judah Nazayar

        NO!! THERES OTHER BROTHERS FOR THAT. MY JOB IS TO DIRECT THE ANGER AGAINST THESE SELLOUT NIGGAS. MY JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THESE NIGGAS DONT ESCAPE. Now look,,,look at at these bytch nikkas clamming up. I thought yall was a army. I thought yall was the gods..

  • Judah Nazayar

    so called african americans themselves will wipe out the NOI,, watch…we already told u who they work for. u dont see them sucka type nikkas on here defending themselves do u? of course NOT!! they aint gonna make it outta here….

  • wickedjones

    The funny thing about black men, who really don’t have any power in the world. Is that we are so quick to criticize any organization that you necessarily don’t agree with, for whatever reason. Crab ass negroes. Always looking at the glass as being half empty instead of half full.

    • 5% Hov

      preach

    • Judah Nazayar

      NO.. NEGROES R JUST SO HAPPY TO BE APART OF SUMN THE WHITEMAN CREATED.. THAT WHENEVER SUMBODY SPEAKS OUT AGAINST IT.. THE HOUSE NEGRO FEELS THREATENED. IF THE SHIT IS A LIABILITY>..GET RID OF IT. NOI is a liability. These niggas dont do nothing..and we know ..WHEN MARTIAL LAW HITS…THEY GONNA WORK WID THE GOVT…where gonna murk these niggas..but they gonna try and work wod the enemy. is it a coincidence THEM was a 32 degree mason and came wid a wack false masonic story for its buffoon ass members to believe?
      GET OFF THAT SOFT SHIT. AND STAND UP FOR SUMN

      • Reazonero

        U wildin Judah..If I do recall u been screamin this since back in the days when Liquid Sword and BigEast, anti-ignorance and all of them was around. I ain’t trashin u or anything,….just sayin. I done did a lot of research because of u.

      • Judah Nazayar

        thank u brother. i used to get alota ppl hitting me up becuz of that info. I do this so ppl can research. These industries and coons..dont want u to research. Look at these niggas on here. theyre slaves. inferior as fukk. i dont respect them. and if they had womnen..their women would join us.. U notice these loser niggas on comment board scroll past the rewal and comment on weak shit..so i get at em for being lil bytches… a NIGGA aint shit..and wont stand up for nothing..But sum coonery

    • The_Good_Life

      Smh at black men don’t have power in the world…

    • Hector G

      if you keep following garbage like islam and respecting old talentless goofs like jay electronica lols….the glass IS half empty

      • wickedjones

        Brother I have no problem endorsing ANY organization that benefits our people, Am I a believer? YES. But i endorse the NAACP, Urban League also. And we both know the NAACP is full of uppity negroes, but I still endorse them.

      • GregAbdul

        Do you endorse the crypts and the bloods?
        Criminal enterprises bring money into the black community just like legal ones do and you said ANY….so cooks and goons are fine as long as they bring some dollars or fake comfort through impotent stupid hate?

      • The_Good_Life

        Dude after our little debate, I held u in high regard but after reading this i’m starting to realize u just like to go against the grain. Not that u GAF tho…

      • wickedjones

        get serious. bloods and crips. smh

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    • Picasso Micheaux

      I bet you had no idea when u were penning this article that it would arouse so much hate…
      You were speaking admirably of demonstrated character…
      Most of these commenters have descended into ideological, philosophical, and spiritual debates…
      When I’m walking down the block, it doesn’t matter so much what the next man believes; who has time to break down all the nuances of that?
      Believe what u wanna believe…
      I’m strictly reacting to the ethics I see demonstrated…
      If u respect me and mine as well as you do yourself, we good…

      • You are correct. Thanks a lot. I’m not feeding into that, I know what’s what.

      • GregAbdul

        you’re wrong….go walk down the rough side of Chicago and tell the thugs there with guns setting records for murder it doesn’t matter what they believe. Ethics and morals are based on belief.

      • Picasso Micheaux

        U got a lot to say,
        but your reading comprehension skills,
        as they relate to my comments?
        Suspect…

      • GregAbdul

        I said….ethics…and….morals…are….based…on….belief…

        was that too fast for you?

      • Picasso Micheaux

        What was once suspect and questionable,
        has now been officially verified…
        Thanks…

    • MadRespect06

      Man you know half these damn people don’t read..thanks for the article tho.

  • Hector G

    group of stupid FOLLOWERS with bow ties, lolols jay electronica has more gay groupies than albums and he’s pushin 40 yrs old haha this article is a complete piece of trash. when you say “we were taken care of” you state this like it’s code of some sort and never further describe the treatment you received. I’ll assume its some sort of code for being gay fondled by a bunch of dumb goons with bow tie’s that for some reason you “respect” and would be happy if your daughter was seeing them, even though in the previous sentence you reference how one of the dudes was creepily talking about murdering an in law family member?!! hahahahahahaha whoever wrote this article is a moron on so many levels its not even funny.hahaha, thank you for making my day and making groups of religious people look stupid.

    • Picasso Micheaux

      Silly white boy…

      • Hector G

        one reply with no likes from some goof on some racist shit….moron

      • Picasso Micheaux

        So you comment in order to be liked? Damn Hector… You’re not silly…you just sad…
        Holla back!

      • Picasso Micheaux

        I knew it!

  • Montezuma1

    I stopped reading at “Esteemed.”

  • Freshly Snipes

    this brotha judah said yall soft as Cadillac seats …im done!
    but yeah if the NOI was really 100 trust me they’d be history like the black panther party…europeans wouldnt let them exist let alone slang bean pie in 90 degree weather…
    just something to think abt…old whitey kills his enemies and their children. he dont miss shit and he will kill some of his own if it means totally destroying his enemy.
    #readahistorybookmynigga

    • 5% Hov

      #understandcontextscaryassnigga

    • Jaymes

      So what you’re saying is that Satan has the final say on who lives and dies? This is why God has blessed Farrakhan to live despite the attempts on his life. …To show confused people like yourself who he is! If you think the enemy is pleased with a Blackman traveling the world, encouraging slaves to do for themselves. …To be independent rather than be dependent upon him- you’re a fool. Yet, he lives. He lives because there is a God who has more power than Satan. And HE has the final say on who lives and dies not the other guy.

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  • Kafir Farm

    FUNNY the #1 rapper in the WORLD is a white man…Nothing but HATERS of WHITE people..Im a BLUE EYED devil according to FARRAKHAN..keep the HATE going FARRAKHAN with your FRUIT OF ISLAM in their bow ties :) You better know REAL MEN do not keep their people DOWN hating on others while living in luxury….BLACKS WHO FOLLOW FARRAKHAN ARE FOOLS

    • GregAbdul

      tell ’em!

    • wickedjones

      So my question to you trick is, are u calling yourself ni@@er farm or infidel farm?because thats what kafir mean. btw, eminem is not the number 1 rapper in the black world. Ask any Black person who their favorite rapper is, and they’re not going to say eminem.

  • Richard Muhammad

    Good to see the Souljahs around our Brother Jay Electronica, this is Brotherhood. This is whats missing in our community, UNITY! and LOVE, FOR EACH OTHER.

    • GregAbdul

      “good to see my fellow nazis with a stupid black boy who don’t know not to hang around nazi pimps”

      ???

      What’s good about being a Neo Negro Nazi?

      Sooner or later you find a rapper dumb enough to give you play?

      • wickedjones

        So when did the NOI start putting anyone in ovens?, or doing mass exterminations?

      • GregAbdul

        If you really want me to, I will go down the list and point out how your buddies are Negro Nazis. Are you one? Let me know. You want the list? I have to spell out to you that Farrakhan is Minister Negro Hitler? Look at his almost-white self. You mean to tell me he don’t look like white Hitler? And those FOI uniforms…you seriously want me to spell it out? Are you playing dumb or bored…..or are you really that much out of it?

      • Jaymes

        You talked about their apperence, now let’s talk about something that matters… Like their actions. Give me the name of one, just one, Jewish person that Farrakhan has harmed or killed. In fact, give me one that has been harmed or killed by any member of the NOI. I’ll wait.

      • GregAbdul

        Mr. J..I should be respectful. I am only speaking the truth about Minister Negro Hitler. He is a demagogue. Please go look up the word or, if you don’t want to be bothered with a dictionary, then simply listen to Minister Negro Hitler when he goes on and on about Jews. When you openly call for bad things to come to a people, and you are stuck on their destruction, that’s a pretty clear definition of a hate monger, idiot. What matters is that this man killed Malcolm X. What matters is he is NOT a Muslim. What matters is…if you really believe in what he teaches…then you should go buy a passport and get yo’self to steppin’ to a place that is actually run by black people as opposed to sitting in a white man’s country complaining about white people. That “action” is stupidity in action and I know, my brother, you are not stupid….are you?

      • Jaymes

        Hitler? You give me one Jewish person he’s harmed or killed and your comparison would be valid. But it isn’t because you can’t.

      • GregAbdul

        Mr. James, you did not answer me. are you writing from Liberia? If you are not, you are a typical black hypocrite when it comes to Farrakhan. Even the NOI goons do not believe the nonsense they talk. If you really are for them, then you should be in the NOI Liberia chapter….are you or are you NOT a member???

        if you are not, then you are a crybaby knee grow, suckin’ on master’s tit and whining you ain’t getting enough milk.

  • M. Skittle

    Yep, they’ll lead you alright, right into the village square where they start cutting heads off for violations of their crazy a## faith. Clowns in clown suits, that’s all they are.

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  • GregAbdul

    one of these stupid negro goons just tried to dump a virus on me….negroes got no sense and can only try to shut out the truth….you keep on chasing nazi pimps…and don’t be surprised when the white goons shoot you like field rabbits.

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