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Fat Joe: The Elephant In The Room
Published Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:00 AM
By Latifah Muhammad

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It’s hard to believe that Fat Joe is on album number eight. Best known for hot hits in the summer season (“Lean Back” and “Make it Rain”), why his albums never seem to be a total cohesive effort is a mystery. The Elephant In The Room (Terror Squad) doesn’t stray from such a label, but still manages to show off Joe’s clever mixture  of street anthems and radio shiny tunes. 

 

Among the latter is the Street Runner produced “Fugitive,” where Crack utilizes a flow that is eerily familiar to Rick Ross' territory. Either way, Joe moves from one story about sexual encounters and drug liaisons to the next, with ease. As simple and overdone as this territory seems, “Fugitive” goes down smooth enough before jumping into one of two tracks produced by Cool & Dre. “You Ain’t Sayin’ Nothin’” which features both Dre and Plies holds a braggadocios hook and is boastfully comfortable until Plies abruptly rips the flow in half. Mixing that Bronx swagger with Plies’ southern diction proves to be a challenge.

 

“Crackhouse” featuring Lil Wayne’s adds what is becoming his signature version of Hip-Hop whimsy a limbo between singing and a Rap style that sounds too good to be written off as lazy. Upon a closer listen, the lyrics sound like a cry for help on Wayne’s part (“This is the crackhouse, welcome to the crackhouse / Man I’m talking more pies than a frat house”). Whether the paranoia in Wayne’s voice is just good acting on his part remains to be seen. As Joe’s bars weave in and out of Wayne’s persistent hook, a pattern of ear grabbing featured artists who take away from Joe’s own performance takes form.

 

Each producer has a clear style and voice that begs to differ whether Joe is featured on their tracks or if it’s the other way around. DJ Khaled screams his signature self-esteem building affirmation (“We The best”) on “Get it for Life,” while Swizz Beatz brings his traditional hype-man energy on “Drop,” as Joe takes on one Rap persona at a time.

 

Yet there are definite high points which include the lady friendly single “I Won’t Tell” featuring J.Holiday. Then the peak point which comes courtesy of  “My Conscience." Holding a standout beat delivered at the hands of Alchemist, plus a feature from KRS-One, this joint is a Hip-Hop head’s wet dream.

 

Even though Joe isn’t the first rapper that comes to mind when you think of standing alone on a song, don’t count him out completely. The Elephant In The Room is split down the middle between tracks made with a club and DJ in mind, but also a few personal attempts at artistry. The album shows little growth on Joe’s part but rather a heavy budget for A-list producers. Yet sticking to the script is what he’s known for so while the surprises on this album are few an far between; it’s nice to know that some things don’t change.

 

Fat Joe Featuring J. Holiday

"I Won't Tell"

 

 

Fat Joe Featuring KRS-ONE

"My Conscience"


Comments

 

MAK™ said:

WILL I COP!?!... LEMME GET SOME REAL FANS' OPINIONS THEN I'LL KNOW...

http://www.myspace.com/crackproductions  

-MAK-
March 12, 2008 10:07 AM
 

Heavyweight313 said:

That's my ninja Joe!
one of the few rap cats that I can still feel, gotta grab the album!!!!!!!
Get em Crack, F*** the Gay-Unit!!!!!!
March 12, 2008 10:08 AM
 

Theprince said:

I'll have to give a listen. Esp. that KRS track.
March 12, 2008 10:12 AM
 

EMONEY617 said:

wackkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...

elephant in the SAND got you beat son
March 12, 2008 10:13 AM
 

odogg8121 said:

First!!!
March 12, 2008 10:14 AM
 

odogg8121 said:

Rick Ross shit better
March 12, 2008 10:14 AM
 

WhoRyde said:

Joe always doing his thing!

http://www.WhoRyde.com scribe to the podcast show

http://whoryde.podomatic.com

hosted by Tye Banks http://www.TyeBanks.com
March 12, 2008 10:25 AM
 

c.los305 said:

YOOOOOOOO THIS IS SHIT SUPER WAAACK. THE UNIT IS BACK IS OVER FOR RAP NEGGAS. ELEPHANT IN THE SAND IS THE SICKEST SHIT OUT RIGHT NOW YO GOTTA LISTEN MAN. THEY KILLING HIM FOR REAL. THAT SHIT IS BETTER THAN ANY FUCKING ALBUM OUT AND IS A MIXTAPE AHH MAN IS OVER FINALLY SOME GOOD FUCKING MUSIC. FAT HOE U R WACK ASS HELL NEGGA SORRY BUT HE GONNA BE LOOKING LIKE JA RULE SOON. IS THE MOTHERFUCKING UNIT NEGGAS.
TALKING ABOUT HE MAKES HITS NEGGA U BARELY RAP IN UR OWN TRACKS.
THE UNIT IS BACK. 50 U KILLING THEM THIS IS TOO EASY FOR THEM. EFFORTLESLLY.
March 12, 2008 10:26 AM
 

IceDrippinz said:

Joe shit is good and the track with KRS is bananaz. But he's ah fake, grimey ass nigga so I ai't coppin' his album.
March 12, 2008 10:44 AM
 

bligz said:

gotta flow joe...gotta let em know joe.......yall need to have a lil respect; fat joes a vet fuckoes....how many rappers you know from his day that still aound and relevant? give the man his propS
March 12, 2008 10:44 AM
 

charliestons said:

I been copped mines.... shit aint all dat.... theres just 3 tracks I'd listen to more than once...

1. My Conscience
2. Fugitive (even though he was screamin nigga nigga nigga)
3. Ain't saying nothin

u might hav a different opinion though...

The only track dat makes sense is "My Conscience ft KRS-One"

I'll give it 5.5/10
March 12, 2008 10:50 AM
 

jr84datnuca said:

shit is hot garbage man 32 minutes long come on man if u buy this shit you are stupid and thats coming from a  puerto rican
March 12, 2008 11:00 AM
 

jr84datnuca said:

and elephant in the sand was wack too singing ass nigga 50 cent the rap game is fucked up right now
March 12, 2008 11:01 AM
 

c.los305 said:

that man is always been wack if pun was still alive he would in the background singing doubles negga.
March 12, 2008 11:02 AM
 

Sexy_Red said:

Uhh I have never really been into Joe...matter of fact I have never even purchased any of his music
March 12, 2008 11:07 AM
 

Life Cereal Is Delicious said:

Straight up and down, this album is crazy wack.  For those who haven't heard it, just listen to any mainstream New York album that has come out recently and you will pretty much get the idea.  In terms of production, this album sounds almost identical to Rick Ross' album.  These microwave albums with the predictable lyrics, unimaginative concepts, wack rhymes and patterns, and copy cat production, need to stop.  However, Preemo blessed him on "That Crack".  That beat is crazy, I'm surprised this review didn't mention that song because it's by far the hottest song on the album.  "My Conscious" was average, but at least he made an attempt at being somewhat original.  All in all, this album is definitely not worth copping, but then again, when has any Fat Joe album.  He's still eating off of Pun's plate but that well is running dry.  One more shot to Preem for dropping a banger n the album that Fat Joe totally wasted.
March 12, 2008 11:15 AM
 

EReal said:

Damn this reviewer ripped this dude apart. Heres some of my favorite lines...

"Among the latter is the Street Runner produced “Fugitive,” where Crack utilizes a flow that is eerily familiar to Rick Ross' territory. "
Damn Flow Theivin Joe. I guess thats "switchin to southpaw"
Hahahaha!

"As Joe’s bars weave in and out of Wayne’s persistent hook, a pattern of ear grabbing featured artists who take away from Joe’s own performance takes form."
Damn homie, you're gettin murdered on your own shit! LMAOOO!

"Each producer has a clear style and voice that begs to differ whether Joe is featured on their tracks or if it’s the other way around."
Hahhahahaa, whos album is this? Is this a mixtape? ROFL!

"The album shows little growth on Joe’s part but rather a heavy budget for A-list producers."
Meaning, You're going to be in the red. Hahhahaa.

Elephant in the Sand > Elephant in the Room
Its even 12 Minutes longer. And FREE. LMAAAOOOOOO!!!
March 12, 2008 11:25 AM
 

anzee11 said:

It's a good album. Fat Joe did his thing. The stand out song on this album is 'My Conscious' (produced by Alchemist) featuring KRS-ONE and 'That Crack' (produced by DJ Premier).<P> If people can put aside all the bullshit they hear about him on the internet, they can grasp that he's a good artist.
March 12, 2008 11:41 AM
 

Boss Up said:

i have never bought a fat jose album and never will
March 12, 2008 11:48 AM
 

Die2Live said:

I must admit that a week ago I got on Joe kinda hard and that I want to say that I'am absolutly sorry for not saying more.....FUCK FAT JOE and all the niggaz in NEW YORK who lets this VATO SAY NIGGA...Fuck his album, fuck oh that beat is nice, Fuck oh he has been in the game for awhile, Fuck him and 50, Fuck giving him props, shit I give more props to his Ghost Writer and his A&R, Fuck anyone who wants to be BLACK..I live on the west coast you will never hear a MEXICAN RAPPER SAY NIGGA....Ya'll give out to many passes in New York....I don't no how any blackman would let this shit ride, niggaz in Detroit giving Em passes for that "Nigga bitch" line he said as a teen is also questionable....DO MY NIGGA'S care..........Just like I said a week ago about the Golden Years of HIP HOP the latin community was MOSTLY break dancing while the Black MC gave yall direction.....SO go spin on your head Joe and "WORK OFF THEM MAN TITS"....Your not BLACK.........and stop biting that bay area shit in your raps "Yadadymean"....Someone needs to make him bleed, to bad NY niggaz don't put people in they place...oh yeah fuck you HOMES!
March 12, 2008 11:49 AM
 

Mr.Manish said:

rick ross and snoop CD better imo.... but everyone like different shit...
March 12, 2008 11:50 AM
 

DIORLETSGO said:

Joey is getting alot of promotion from his beef with both 50 and Remy..He better go platinum with this one..I got my money on ya boy Ricky Ross though, cause he is a problem.."The Boss", "Money make me Come", is pure fire.
March 12, 2008 12:02 PM
 

BLUNTBLAZER said:

GLAD I DIDNT COP I HATE WHEN RAPPER HAVE 2 BOMB SINGLES AND THE REST OF THE CD BE TRASH

WWW.MYSPACE.COM/THAGRINDAHOLIC
NUTHIN BUT KNOCK
March 12, 2008 12:12 PM
 

c.los305 said:

dont u guys think that an elephant is better in the sand than in the room sorry joey but u dont fit in the room :(
March 12, 2008 12:18 PM
 

bx_savior said:

NOW I DONT KNOW HOW PEOPLE TAKE THIS NIGGA LINES SERIOUS HE HAS A GHOST WRITER SHIT YOU BETTER OFF CALLING PUFF A GOOD WRITER IF YOU GOING TO GIVE HIM RESPECT HIS ALBUMS BE TRASH AN THATS THE TRUTH SO PLEASE STOP SAY CRACKS HE WAS PUSSY IN FOREST PROJECT BACK THEN AN HE PUSSY NOW AN HE KNOW HOW HE GOT THE NAME TUCK YOUR ASS CRACK IN YOUR PANTS FAKE LOYAL BITCH
March 12, 2008 12:44 PM
 

K-RAY said:

Fuck NY shit, south baby is what its about
do that Texas thang
March 12, 2008 12:46 PM
 

Mr. Turkleson said:

Who said this porky the pig ass was relevant.....ever?
Not even a fan of the Unit but they came correct on that Elephant  In The Sand.  Never will I own a fat joe.......song lol.
March 12, 2008 12:49 PM
 

ANdAR$ said:

yall hatin joe....
March 12, 2008 12:53 PM
 

King High Pimpn said:

8th album and he still rappin bout crack and coke.  nicca need some new shyt
March 12, 2008 12:59 PM
 

Slick~Jefe said:

Def not worth buying. But worth a couple downloads... Crackhouse
March 12, 2008 1:02 PM
 

cali dro said:

@ Die 2 Live......you seem like you gotta race issue goin on wit you, where you from? i know you live in the westcoast but where? i gotta gang of homies that say nigga in front of niggaz on a regular daily basis........fillipinos, asians, samoans, blacks and mexicans like myself nigga...that shouldnt be news to you...if you fuck wit real muthafuckas...
March 12, 2008 1:09 PM
 

bx_savior said:

NO ONE HATIN ONE THE FAT NIGGA I JUST DONT FEEL HE SHOULD BE RESPECTED FOR THE LYRICS THAT COME OUT HIS MOUTH THAT MY OPINION AN I BET THATS A FACT FOR THE GHOST WRITER WHO READS THESES FUCKING BLOGS ALBUM TRASH FROM WHAT I HEARD I WASTE MY MONEY ON REAL ARTIST I DONT KNOW ABOUT YALL
March 12, 2008 1:10 PM
 

cali dro said:

n e ways....joe aint that bad...i dont believe he gotta ghostwriter....his albums is alot better than whut some of these squares on this site swear is the shit.....j.o.e. was sick...don cartagena was sick.....j.o.s.e was sick.....loyalty was sick......everything after that was on the decline, a few tracks  was hot here and there. i admit that...but not as bad as yall think....
March 12, 2008 1:13 PM
 

The_Franchyze said:

DAAAAAAAMN....I didn't know it was that many haters on the net.  How many of you broke ass cats is gettin paid for the amount of hate u do?  I guess when you gettin money you can do more important things than hate on somebody who obviously aint goin nowhere.  Fat Joe is here, and let's be real for all you sausage suckas...HOMOS....get off 50 dyck.  He only sold cause Eminem cosigned him and Dre cosigned Em.  50 sucks and will not be around in 3-5 years.  He had a good run, but he aint been the same since his first album.  And my dude in Cali....the Mexican cat...why you so touchy about nigga holmes.  Why don't you tell all ya peoples to get off Billary dyck instead of hatin on Joe.  Everybody knows that Mexican don't like Ricans anyway.  Must be cause they got the baddest bitches.  That's why a Rican had to play Selena cause y'all bitches don't be havin no ass....at least until a NIGGA start bangin that from the back.  Get it right....homes.
March 12, 2008 1:13 PM
 

slang187 said:

900 COPIES BOUGHT YESTERDAY SAYS SOUNDSCAN !
KHALED BOUGHT THAT SHIT !!! LOOOOOOOLLLLL


MORE THAN 40 000 DOWNLOADS FROM G-UNIT - ELEPHANT IN THE SAND ON THISIS50.COM :P

+400 000 DOWNLOADS LAST MONTH FOR RETURN OF THE BODYSNATCHERS !


RAT JOE IS DONE !
March 12, 2008 1:17 PM
 

C-JAE: The Coach said:

RICK ROSS TRILLA & SNOOP EGO TRIP DROPPED THE SAME DAY.I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT JOE THOUGH.SUPPORT HIS RINGTONES IF YOU AIN'T GONNA COP THE ALBUM.

HTTP://WWW.MYSPACE.COM/ALLTHINGSHIPHOP
March 12, 2008 1:25 PM
 

deadlyx said:

never heard of a guy named rick ross because dat nigga wack as hell lol...i dont know why people sit there and say he hot but he trash...mann i rather buy golden girl season 1 dvd than buy his album...i seen that one video and dat fat nigga had his shirt off wtf yo lmaoooooooooooooooooo

but that fat joe album i might think about but i dunno
March 12, 2008 1:27 PM
 

CurtissKing said:

Miss me with all that Fat Joe bull....

Singles are corny....

Ross and Snoop got him beat on this one...by a longshot

- Curtiss King
www.myspace.com/dwan32
March 12, 2008 1:28 PM
 

Corporate Hood said:

I am considering wasting a blank cd to burn this album... but then again I wont!

Waste of time and money. Everyone can rap but NOT everyone can keep an audience that will buy the shit. Step your rap game up, quit buying your records just make sound scan "do numbers!"
March 12, 2008 1:28 PM
 

SuperGangster said:

lol fat joe had 8 albums? I never download\bought one fakking album of him!!!
March 12, 2008 1:35 PM
 

Delwons said:

the hate is strong in here...this cd was dope to me was waaaayyy better than curtis. K.A.R hits hard in the trunk. joe is doing something right because the level of hate is at an all time high lol.
March 12, 2008 1:53 PM
 

Gunitnig4life said:

bleedat! RAT JOE IS SO DONE, ELEPHANT IN THE SAND IS SOO AMAZING THEY KILLED IT YOUS HAVE TO GET IT, ITS FREE TO SO DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THIS BULL SHIT RAT ASS FUCKIN CRAP
March 12, 2008 2:04 PM
 

Row Mane Lettuce said:

Joey Crack is now and always was the truth! Fuck the haters he's a legend! Bout the only real nigga left in the game and 1 of the best ever in my eyes..niggas turning on him like they did dr. dre when pac said he wasnt shit! 50 is not God, i hate the way people suck dat nigga dick..he aint even hot! How many niggas got longevity like Joe..and all those who do are "legendary" give the fat nigga his due! Im buying (not downloading, not bootleg copy getting) Im buying 10 albums and im passing out 9 so niggas will wake the fuck up! Thanx for giving niggas that heat again Joe!
March 12, 2008 2:12 PM
 

nantambu said:

BX tha Birth place, Joe goes hard BX BX BX haters, I respect everything coming out of the BRONX!!! Half of you never been to tha Bronx, everything else is COPIED. Easy on the Bronx!!! Hold it down JOe tha BronX on ya back!!!!
March 12, 2008 2:21 PM
 

DissinIdiots719 said:

Joe is garbage. How he gonna sell only 50k his first week on his 8TH album? Must be that large fanbase he got. lmao
March 12, 2008 2:33 PM
 

TuPhatCEO said:

Joey Crackk is dat real shit!!! I likes!! This singles. But you are not the G.O.A.T.
March 12, 2008 2:44 PM
 

INANYSTATEOFMIND said:

bligz said:
gotta flow joe...gotta let em know joe.......yall need to have a lil respect; fat joes a vet fuckoes....how many rappers you know from his day that still aound and relevant? give the man his propS
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LL cool J -  Exit 13  2008
Jay Z - American Gangster 2007
Nas - Nigger 2007
Scarface - Made 2007
Bun B. - II Trill - 2008
Busta Rhymes - Back on My BS -2008
Mobb Deep - The Infamous Archives - 2007
Twista - Adreniline Rush - 2007
M.O.P - Ghetto Warfare -2006
Snoop Dog - Ego Trippin- 2008
Common - Finding Forever -2007

March 12, 2008 2:45 PM
 

curtis75black said:

copped it Yesterday, along with Snoop and Pete Rock. Jammed the Fat Joe this morning. I've always been a fan so I know what to expect from the man. He did his thing once again on this cd. A few tracks like the one feat Plies doesnt do the cd justice, Khaled is  too much on his own dick to be reppin on a fat joe track and the Swizz produced track is a little too overproduced!! The rest of the cd is decent enough to rock but I wish it was longer!! 8/10
March 12, 2008 2:59 PM
 

bx_savior said:

YOU SIT AN LISTEN TO THAT FLOW JOE SHIT WAS NOT ALL THAT TO ME AN THE REASON HE STILL AROUND CAUSE HE GOT TODAY RAPPERS GHOST WRITTING FOR HIM AN IM 100% FROM THE BX FAM YOU CAN RUN THAT BULLSHIT TO SOMEBODY ELSE THIS DUDE IS FAKE AN DISLOYAL TO THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM JUST REMEMBER WHY TERROR SQUAD HAD THEM CLUB HITS WASNT CAUSE OF HIM YOUR BOY IS NO WHERE RESPECTED UNLESS YOU GOT HIM GOING TO INTERVALE EVERY YEAR TO CHANGE PUN RIP PICTURE.YALL DONT KNOW THE FAT JOE FROM FOREST PROJECTS NIGGA GOT COPS AS SECURITY AN HE GOT SOME BULLSHIT EX CONS SO HE CAN APPREAR TO YOU LIKE HE STREET HE DONT REP THE BRONX HIS GHOST WRITTER REPS THE BRONX REMEMBER THAT FUCK THE PAST LIVE FOR TODAY BX IS WHERE I BREED AN WHERE I LIVE  
March 12, 2008 3:07 PM
 

INANYSTATEOFMIND said:

@ Die2live

Since when did "nigga" mean black man?

Nigger is a word derived from the Spanish/Portuguese word negro, meaning "black", and probably also the French nègre, which has also been used pejoratively but also positively as in Négritude. In the United States, the word nigger was not always considered derogatory, but was instead used by many as merely denotative of black skin, as it was in other parts of the English-speaking world. In nineteenth-century literature, there are many uses of the word nigger with no intended negative connotation. In the 1800's Slave owners and racist white people used the word to disrespect americans of color, mostly those of Afican decent. The word "Nigga" is a form of the word Nigger but used as a term of endearment rather than harm, yet, it can be used in both ways - i.e "Yo, that's my nigga right there" or "That nigga is a bitch".

The term "nigger" was applied generically to dark-skinned people of any origin. In other words if you are not "white" in the eyes of the white man you were considered a nigger.  Spanish, Asian, Africans, Islanders, Indians and other countrymen with darker skin all had to adhere to colored/white laws.

Don't get it twisted   - If you weren't white in the 60's....you were a nigger...ask ya folks.
March 12, 2008 3:11 PM
 

DissinIdiots719 said:

Haha! what, did you copy/paste the meaning of 'nigger' from wikipedia?  Its cool though, I google shit all the time.  :)
March 12, 2008 3:17 PM
 

zacreole1976 said:

I won't buy the album, but damn, That joint with KRS "Conscience"  was pretty fat.  Why can't hiip-hop artists make an album full of hip-hop music anymore?  Oh I know, money right?  Whatever.  Nice track Joe.  Props.
March 12, 2008 3:41 PM
 

INANYSTATEOFMIND said:

just trying to help educate....sometimes people state their opinon as fact. It can be annoying.

Plus dude is being racist. I hate racists.  
March 12, 2008 3:42 PM
 

deeznutz187 said:

elephant in da sand iz betta n so iz rick ross album.....i cop'd rick shit yestaday dat shit iz fire.........da intro iz crack luxury tax iz fire reppin my city iz fire....fuck fat joe dat nigga garbage
March 12, 2008 3:43 PM
 

DADE_COUNTY_GOON said:

I'm going to keep it real.the album production wise is fire but as far as lyrical it was average at most to me fat joe is a chameleon artist meaning whatever is hot right now thats how he's finna roc the mic and im not even trying to hate on the man but i remember when pun was alive he try to rap like him then when pun died he changed his flow again and at the time jay-z was the hottest mc out so wut does joe do he start rappin like jigga now lil wayne is one of the hottest in the game and now he rappin like weezy so you cant judge this as a fat joe album you have to judge this as a chameleon artist album.
March 12, 2008 3:53 PM
 

StrykerIreland said:

jesus h. christ why the fuck do all you hater even listen to rap, the man deserves respect, i agree that this album isnt great but what gives ye the right to talk all this shit about him?? ye infuriate me, if u dont like the cd fair enuf but give the man the respect he deserves, like my man above me sed, who u know around this long and still relevant? bitches
March 12, 2008 3:57 PM
 

StopHatingPlease said:

TO ALL ALL U HATER I JUST DOWNLOADED THIS CD AND IT NOT BAD IM ACTUALLY SURPRISED ITS A GOOD CD AND FOR ALL U GUNIT DICKRYDERS THAT BODYSNATCHER PART ONE WAS NICE I WAS NOT DISAPPOINTED AT ALL IN IT BUT THAT ELEPHANT IN THE SAND WAS SOME REAL BULLSHIT IT WAA A WASTE OF MY TIME I CANT BELIEVE HOW BAD THAT WAS I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE RYDING THERE DICKS IF I WAS THERE FAN THERE COOL DONT GET IT TWISTED I DONT HATE ON NO ONE BUT THERE NOT HUNGERY NO MORE JOEY DROPED SOME HEAT ON THIS ONE I MIGHT JUST HAVE TO BUY THIS ONE TO SUPPORT HIM

@BOSS UP HEY FAM DON'T BLAME U FOR NOT BUY ANY OF HIS ALBUMS I HAVE NEVER BOUT ONE SO I CANT TELL U UR WRONG FOR NOT GIVING HIM A CHANCE I DID DOWNLOAD THIS ONE AFTER I HEARD THAT WACK ASS ELEPHANT IN THE SAND BULLSHIT A JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT JOEY HAD TO OFFER AND TO TELL U THE TRUTH ITS NOT THAT BAD I REALLY MIGHT FINALLY BUY ONE TO SUPPORT HIM
March 12, 2008 3:59 PM
 

StrykerIreland said:

nigger is derived from nigerians and ppl living around the river niger in africa, and dont start this debate again ye take everything way too seriously i tawt this was a music site
March 12, 2008 4:00 PM
 

cozer said:

Joey is a trader to the North. The only North dude he has on the album I think is KRS One [I'm not looking at the tracklist right now]. Joe should just sell his house in NY that he has and stick with his southern dudes.
March 12, 2008 4:01 PM
 

StopHatingPlease said:

FAT JOE BEEN AROUND FOR A GOT MINUTE HATERS AND ITS FUNNY HOW HE NEVER GOT THIS MUCH HATE TELL 50 DISSED HIM FUCK JOEY HAS DROP HIS SHARE OF HITS AND IVE NEVER UNTIL THIS CD ACTUALLY LISTEN TO ANY OF HIS ALBUMS BUT I KNOW THAT HE HAD NICE TRACKS ON ALL THE OTHER ONES TO AND JOEY MAKING HIS MONEY STOP HATIN ON DUDE 50 JUST MAD BECAUSE JOEY'S ONE SINGLE WAS HOTTER ONT THE RADIO THEN WHAT THE 6 HE DROPED COME ON GUYS STOP JUST STOP HATIN ON HIM......
O AND IM NOT BLACK I DO TRY NOT TO SAY NIGGA AS MUCH A I CAN AND I AM FROM THE WEST BUT ALL MY NIGGAS ARE COOL WITH ME SAYING IT I TRY NOT TO BECAUSE ITS JUST NOT SOMETHING I SHOULD GET COMFORTABLE SAYING BUT I THINK SOME OF U DUDES TAKE IT TO THE ASS AINT NOBODY IN THE STREETS REALLY LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT.......ITS LIKE SAY DUDE OR HOMEY OR I THINK THEY SAY SON IN NY AND WHAT SHORTY IN THE SOUTH BUT NIGGA IS JUST SAID ON ALL COAST AND UNLESS UR A WHITE CRACKER THE I DONT SEE MY U CANT SAY IT........
COSIGN  INANYSTATEOFMIND
March 12, 2008 4:14 PM
 

StopHatingPlease said:

 
@ DADE_COUNTY_GOON
I SEE WERE UR COMING FROM BUT I THINK AS TIME CHANGES SO DOSE MUSIC AND IF U CANT CHANGE IT TIME THEN UR GONNA BE LEFT BEHIND WONDERING WHY UR SHIT DONT SELL FOR REAL EVERONE THAT IS BEEN AROUND AS LONG AS JOE DOSE IT AND IF U DONT REMEMBER JIGGA USED TO RAP FAST HE TOOK NAS'S STYLE SO WHATS UP WITH THAT THE POINT IS U GOT TO ADEPT TO TIME AND WHATS HOT AND THATS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HE DOSE HIS SMART THATS WHAT I CALL IT.............AND WHY IS EVERY ONE JUDGING DUDE ON HIS LYRICS THERE NOT NO JAY LINES BUT WHAT THE FUCK THEY AINT MIMS LINE NEITHER SO HIS IN THE MIDDLE SOME WHERE


MY OPINION LYRICS - HIS AN AVARAGE RAPPER
                HITS - ABOVE AVARAGE          
                AMOUNT OF HATE HE GETS - WHY ABOVE AVARAGE
STOP HATING PLEASE..........THANKS
March 12, 2008 4:27 PM
 

StopHatingPlease said:

O ONE MORE THING KRS ONE COSIGNED JOE HATER I DEAR U GUYS TO HATE ON KRS COME ON GUYS
March 12, 2008 4:44 PM
 

ACCELY said:

the album is tough its something different, different as in he actually saying something instead of that yah trick yah bullshit. rick ross album is not better or maybe yea i can agree if it was just beats and hook lines being played because lyrically rick is not saying a damn thing.
March 12, 2008 4:54 PM
 

Lord Hade said:

Fat Joe is a Legend in the game.  Most of you young knuckle heads don't even know about Joe's EARLY BANGAZ.....

Flow Joe
Respect Mine
Success
The Shit Is Real
Fat Joe's in Town
Say Word

Elephant in the Room isn't his greatest work, but i'm not about to count the man out.  
March 12, 2008 4:59 PM
 

MrBumpCap said:

Webbie CD is better!!
i stop buying CD's long time ago.. the artist don't support me, why should i support them..
LONG LIVE THE BOOT LEGGER...
March 12, 2008 5:01 PM
 

Die2Live said:

Damn when is one of ya'll niggaz going 2 be on Jeopardy. I see ya'll now "Oh ah can, I get Dropping Knowledge for $200 please"

Nigga this, Nigga that, well let me tell you this my nigga. I ain't no righteous nigga, got thug tendency's but I'm not no thug nigga. Look don't drop knowledge while you live in fiction you square ass nigga. I'm just your average joe ass nigga, who smokes weed and analyze the world for what it is.  As for going hard at Chunky Joe well, what I'm say what ever I want nigga. As far as me being racist shit I love Latin's for who they are. I bet when every Latin kid was born he didn't have a braids or his first words was "nigga I'm the king of BX". Listen nigga, I'm not say that it is a good thing to say nigga, but shit I grew up on shit from Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy(In his prime) and Def comedy Jam yet alone my hood my nigga. As for Fat Joe well, he says nigga because he is influenced by _____z. He raps because he is influenced by _____z. So are you telling me that its okay for him to go on You tube and tell the WORLD on why it is okay for him to say nigga.....get the fuck outta here.

As for his music all it takes is a nice ass beat and that goes for nigga'z also. His flows has a deadman with a pen helping him and its abvious.

He sucks in my eyes, and yes from age 14 I've been checking niggaz.

Tell him again to go and work off them man tits.
March 12, 2008 5:01 PM
 

DADE_COUNTY_GOON said:

@StopHatingPlease                                                              I FEEL YOU ABOUT CHANGING WITH THE TIMES TO TRY TO STAY RELEVANT YOU NOW MAYBE ON ONE SONG ON THE ALBUM BECAUSE YOU HAD A FEATURED ARTIST THAT GOT DISTINCT FLOW OK COOL BUT WHEN THRU THE YEARS YOU CHANGE UR WHOLE STLYE BASED ON WHATS HOT RIGHT NOW  TO ME YOU FALL IN THE JUST ANOTHER RAPPER CATEGORY.THATS TRUE ABOUT JIGGA SWITCHING IT UP HIS STYLE BUT GUESS WHAT SINCE THEN HIS FLOW BEEN THE SAME HE JUST EVOLVED WITH IT. SO ALL IM SAYING IS FAT JOE IS JUST ANOTHER AVERAGE RAPPER OUT HERE WITH A HELL OF A PRODUCTION TEAM AS LONG AS HE STICKS BY THE HOTTEST RAPPERS AT THE TIME HE WILL ALWAYS BE RELEVANT.
March 12, 2008 5:02 PM
 

MrBumpCap said:

he should not be dropping the N bomb..

The Leak Source "Break The Silence": Fat Joe - The Elephant In The ...
leaksource.blogspot.com/2008/03/fat-joe-elephan...
March 12, 2008 5:08 PM
 

p89 said:

Niggaz comments are hillarious to me.  Aint no more fans no more...everybody's a fuckin critic
March 12, 2008 5:14 PM
 

YoungBonez said:

I ain't never bought a Joe album but I heard mostly all his shit I respect crackka been in da game long time not many niggaz can say that in hiphop and p89 I 100% cosign that.
March 12, 2008 5:19 PM
 

Hoodgrown said:

@ Die2Live
"FUCK FAT JOE and all the niggaz in NEW YORK who lets this VATO SAY NIGGA"
"Ya'll give out to many passes in New York....I don't no how any blackman would let this shit ride,"

See that's exactly why we in NYC don't have that whole black against spanish shit going on out here. Cause we don't think of cats as "Vatos".

1. Spanish cats have been here since this hip hop shit started
2. We all live in the same fucking neighboorhoods.
3. When I got beef my dudes rides (black and spanish). You puttin it down for me.. "you my nigga" and vice versa. Them my "spanish niggas".

How ever you niggas get down in your part of the country is how ya'll do. But outside of prison, blacks and spanish here don't be beefing like that. That's how the shit is supposed to be.

I haven't seen the video but... Yeah he can say nigga. He a NYC nigga and thats how we do. Life is too short to be tripping off that bullshit.

 
@INANYSTATEOFMIND
No doubt! School these cats.

Cartel

Hoodgrown - A Different Kind Of Hip Hop Magazine
http://www.hoodgrownonline.com


March 12, 2008 5:43 PM
 

Die2Live said:

Listen nigga, so you telling me that NY gave up on checking the OTHERS when they say nigga HOODGROWN. Look if you give them a pass you give asians and white people a pass.

I see you now...."Yo BILL, yeah whut up my nigger" and you the type of nig....nah brotha that will let it slide.

Its not right so don't let it.

As for the Mexican and Black thang poppin off on the WEST that shit is in LA, where the mexicans know what the fuck they are.

March 12, 2008 6:03 PM
 

ArcticFury said:

I just copped the album, and so far the song I've been stuck on is that Alchemist produced "My Concience" with KRS. Shit is piff straight up.
March 12, 2008 6:07 PM
 

jaeda said:

Fat Joe albums usually have a few bangers, i cant hate on that. I just dont like how he treats his artist. But he an ok rapper at his best.
March 12, 2008 6:24 PM
 

jaeda said:

that fat Joe  and Krs 1 track is fire
March 12, 2008 6:25 PM
 

ChillCurt said:

@bligz
Thx fam...

It's a lot of hate on this page...the man is doin' something right, (ghost writer and all) give him some type of respect. I'm from the BX too, and I'm not a big fan but I admire his hustle & the love he shows my boro. Let Joe eat, and get off his back, Haters...
March 12, 2008 6:55 PM
 

The_R_ said:

1/2 good...that means its 1/2 wack too.
March 12, 2008 6:56 PM
 

cali dro said:

i feel you HOODGROWN, but lemme tell you black against brown is very serious out here where im from my nigga....but dont get it twisted though....its only on some gangsta shit....not every mexican is bangin, there for not every mexican hate blacks, and vice versa...back in the day, it was all love....and it should be the same today....we would be unstoppable if there was unity amongst the black and brown....
March 12, 2008 7:04 PM
 

ChillCurt said:

Wait....Wait....Hold up.... WHY IS KRS STILL NICE?!!!! lol
He top 5 dead or alive, easy.
March 12, 2008 7:06 PM
 

StopHatingPlease said:

 
@DADE_COUNTY_GOON
FAM I GET U BUT U CANT TAKE JOEYS PROPS AWAY AND THIS ALBUM GOT SOME STR8 TRACKS NOT WAYNE NOT JAY NOT PUN LIKE 300/ K.A.R./MY CONSCIENCE/THAT WHITE AND ARE NY TRACKS
March 12, 2008 7:09 PM
 

vega_diamond said:

mannnnnn I was deeply dissssssssapointed in the piece of plastic and foil.... DAMNIT JOE!!!! DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!
March 12, 2008 7:39 PM
 

Hoodgrown said:

@ Die2Live
"Listen nigga, so you telling me that NY gave up on checking the OTHERS when they say nigga HOODGROWN. Look if you give them a pass you give asians and white people a pass. "

Tell you the truth my dude. There's a white dude that grew up in the projects with us (though he looked spanish)... called him "White Bread"... and yeah.. he got a pass..

He could say "what up my nigga"... to any one of us no problem!!! He fought and almost died with us. So yeah. He was part of the click. Didn't think much about it. He was one of us. Just a "white nigga".

I don't know or care how everyone else here feel about it.. but there's a difference between someone who's not black growing up in the hood and holding shit down with you saying "whut my nigga"

than some white or Asian dude saying "fuck you nigger!"


THat's just me though.


Cartel

Hoodgrown - A Different Kind Of Hip Hop Magazine
http://www.hoodgrownonline.com
March 12, 2008 7:49 PM
 

Squareone1 said:

Don Cartagena was Joe's best album, sadly that's 10 years ago when I was in h.s. I got autograph from that nigga, haha...me,myself and I was actually pretty good. Joe seems to have a nice joint (which also means that there is a feature guest following, but eh..) but then have some str8 bullshit club shit that he thinks is really "poppin"...no good..I like joe for what he's brought to the game and I can name 100 emcees who should hang up the mic before Joe does. So..I'm heading to target to get it this ma'fucka and snoops album. Peace
March 12, 2008 7:57 PM
 

Hoodgrown said:

 
@cali dro

"but lemme tell you black against brown is very serious out here where im from my nigga"

Yeah I know. I seen on the news Spanish and Blacks shooting at each other in Cali on some hate shit. The first time I saw that shit I was buggin. I assumed everyplace was like it was in NYC and when I saw that shit I was buggin. Hell, when I was out in LA trying to holla at some latin chicks I had no idea that I coulda been killed for that. Shit is crazy.


"back in the day, it was all love....and it should be the same today....we would be unstoppable if there was unity amongst the black and brown...."

Yeah.. that's what I don't fucking understand. We're ALL minorities. The whites (not all) look at ALL of us like we're the ones fucking this country up. Like they don't want us here. Look at the laws in Cali. The most racist laws i've ever seen. There's absolutely no reason black and brown should be fighting. Like you said.. if we all came together it would be a problem.

Not to be on no conspiracy theory shit.. but I'm sure THEY (government) know that as well. WHo's to say they didn't infiltrate these various organizations and gangs like they did the Black Panthers to start that shit in the first place. Keep us busy hating each other so that we couldn't come together with the strength of both african americans and latinos. If we came together out there where that shit is going on.. it would be crazy.

Shit, I'm glad it's not like that out here. A lot of spanish cats is my dudes... I'd hate to think that if we had been raised in LA or somewhere.. that we'd be enemies or some dumb shit for no real reason at all.


Cartel

Hoodgrown - A Different Kind Of Hip Hop Magazine
http://www.hoodgrownonline.com
March 12, 2008 7:59 PM
 

Hoodgrown said:

@ Die2Live
"Just like I said a week ago about the Golden Years of HIP HOP the latin community was MOSTLY break dancing while the Black MC gave yall direction."

oh and no disrespect son.. but you wrong... the spanish cats were rapping from the beginning... The pioneers in this shit the Fearlous Four and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 had spanish cats rapping... who were NICE (for that time).

To me it's just wild to hear you hating on spanish cats.. kinda like the KKK in reverse...


Cartel

Hoodgrown - A Different Kind Of Hip Hop Magazine
http://www.hoodgrownonline.com
March 12, 2008 8:08 PM
 

Hoodgrown said:

and lastly on this subject...

NYC ain't like other states where you have to drive everywhere don't have to really fuck with no one if you don't want to. NYC is huge.. and  you can go EVERYWHERE in New York without having to drive. Everyone is on the streets, the buses, the subways.... if we was on it like ya'll there would never be no peace here cause you're always running into other races no matter where you're at... niggas would be fighting all day everywhere.

Naww fuck that. If we gonna get it in.. let it be for some REAL shit... not cause dude is spanish and i'm black. That shit is stupid!


Cartel

Hoodgrown - A Different Kind Of Hip Hop Magazine
http://www.hoodgrownonline.com
March 12, 2008 8:12 PM
 

Hoodgrown said:

ok.. THIS is the very last on this subject.. I promise...

my wifey is Dominican... I have two daughters one looks black the other looks Spanish...

if they were going to school in LA would one have to sit at the table with the black chicks and one with the spanish shawties?

If a fight broke out...  would they be forced to be on opposite sides?


Cartel

Hoodgrown - A Different Kind Of Hip Hop Magazine
http://www.hoodgrownonline.com

see how dumb that shit is.....?
March 12, 2008 8:19 PM
 

ArcticFury said:

Again, people forget how dope Fat Joe's first 3 albums were.

Fat Joe Da Gangsta, Jealous Ones Envy, and The Don were hip-hop essentials. Boss Up those are worth buying dude.
March 12, 2008 9:01 PM
 

dragononline said:

Joe's albums is good ,I heard of he have many assia fans at interracialresources.com which is a niche interracial dating site.they share and discuss his albums.maybe you can check it them !
March 12, 2008 9:37 PM
 

Fatsack Mack said:

Joe spittin on this LP. I can kind of tell that Wayne ghost writing for him but that nigga is really spittin and he knows how to make hit singles.
March 12, 2008 9:42 PM
 

Frank_N1tti said:

On the fo' real fo' real...  Alot of you are allowing your hatred for NYC rappers and your lust for Southern club bangers (which I be feeling too) to blind you.  Is Fat Joe da illest?  No.  But is Fat Joe nice?  No question about it.  He's one of the most consistent NYC cats out there.  And I KNOW for a fact, when one of his songs come in da club ya'll be rock'n to it wit a shorty.  lol
March 12, 2008 10:46 PM
 

Intelekt said:

Fat Joe is a decent rapper. I got Don Cartagena and Jealous One's Envy, and they were cool. Other than that, eh, I think he's aright. Really, I think the main reason for his longevity is his ability to blend in and work with whoever is the hottest at the time. All his hits are collabs. He can't make a hit by himself. Kinda like he's a good team player, a good wing man, but he aint the one who's really shining like that. He's the supporting role, nahmean? He had success with Pun, R. Kelly, Murder Inc, Nelly, J. Lo, Lil Wayne, DJ Khaled... I think he's got more smarts than talent probably. He hasn't completely "switched to southpaw," cause he still gets down with people like KRS every once and then. He sticks to his NY roots somewhat, but he plays up the South so much more lately.


And Hoodgrown, I COSIGN that.
March 12, 2008 10:47 PM
 

optimum said:

The Joint with him and KRS is  stupid.  Please keep it coming. Yall stop hatin on the  man before you even hear the album. Its dudes on here calling themselves fans of hiphop who proudly say they never bought an album and yet the diss him? And what are you basing that on again? Come on now How does that even sound.
March 12, 2008 11:19 PM
 

Frank_N1tti said:

Hoodgrown-

I'm cosigning to everything


Nitti
BK All Day
March 12, 2008 11:26 PM
 

INANYSTATEOFMIND said:

@ Die 2 Live

I'm glad you came back and spoke up for yourself....You did the work for me...You proved to everyone in here the difference between educated black man...and lil ass nigger.

Educate yourself youngin...read a book. Not all people of hispanic origin is mexican. If your ass ever left your fucking "hood" you'd know that. Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Panamanians and other hispanic speaking people range in a variety of skin tones. From light and pale in skin tone to dark in skin tone. But you wouldn't know that because you are too busy, skipping school, working your paper route or selling a little bit of that shit. Yeah you keeping it real...Thuggin in up In ya mom's house, twistin' trees.... You probably have a nice car with a system and some rims but still live in the same room you grew up in. When you going to grow up??? The thing is...Dudes from NY know that the white man called all colored people nigger. Not just blacks...and your dumb ass is on here acting as if the word was specifically used to describe a black man....You should have read my comment before responding and then maybe you wouldn't have come off like such a dumb "nigga"

March 12, 2008 11:45 PM
 

JPOSE said:

Man this nigga Joe been wacc, he just a feature artist cuz no one ever bumps a Joe record wit just Joe. Im talking even throw bacc Joe. This nigga shit aint even worth a download!
March 12, 2008 11:51 PM
 

MusicWorth! said:

DEF WANNA CHECK IT OUT. BEING THAT HE IS THE LORD OF CRACK NOW!

HAVE YALL HEARD ABOUT THE NEW RAPPER DR. DRE IS ABOUT 2 SIGN. CHECK HIM OUT. HE IS DOPE ASS HELL!

LISTEN NOW @ http://myspace.com/krazedouteross
March 13, 2008 12:10 AM
 

ArcticFury said:

@ Frank Nitti,

You make a point, but is Fat Joe really that def post 2000 on a consistant basis?

March 13, 2008 12:12 AM
 

cali dro said:

@ HOODGROWN...about your daughters, (my daughter is black n mexican) you was askin a hypothetical question....they wouldnt be forced to segregate themselves at school.....youngstas now a days choose to segregate themselves....cuz they caught up in the bull shit, and are unaware of the truth.......its all about who you associate yourself with and cary yourself......those who wanna bang, and be hard, and be gangstas deal wit that bullshit...but its unfortunate that these niggaz is hurtin and killin non combatants.....and forcin others to deal with it as well....
March 13, 2008 12:21 AM
 

cliveone said:

y'all some haters. its not that wack. not excellent but listenable. stop hating on Joe and get off Fiddy dick. The unit is dead.
March 13, 2008 12:21 AM
 

SPATE Magazine All Day said:

You guys going in to Joey.

SPATE MAGAZINE
http://www.spatemag.com
March 13, 2008 12:37 AM
 

bx_savior said:

DUKE I KNOW YOU FEEL PEOPLE HATE ON THIS FAT CIRCUS BUT HE IS NOT A LOYAL DUDE IM SPEAKING THE TTRUTH CUBAN LINK IS THE MAN WITH THE TRUE STORY FOR HIS JAW I DONT RESPECT FOR TODAY I DONT RESPECT HIM FOR BACK IN THE DAYS THATS MY OPINION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 50 THE NIGGA HAS A GHOST WRITER DO YOU SEE RAKIM WITH A GHOST WRITER THATS WHY HE NOT LOOK AT TODAY FOR HIS WORK NOW SO CUT YOUR BS NO RESPECT FOR A DUDE THAT DONT WRITE HIS OWN SHIT AN YOU NEED TO CHECK YOURSELF ON THAT
March 13, 2008 12:39 AM
 

Conducta said:

Dope album...Craaakk non-stop. TS!
March 13, 2008 2:42 AM
 

prop24 said:

Downloaded it and deleted it. Kept K_A_R, and My Con feat KRS 1
March 13, 2008 2:00 PM