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50 Cent’s Ultimate Challenge: How To Market Beanie Sigel (Part 2)

Editor’s note: The

views expressed inside this editorial aren’t necessarily the views of

AllHipHop.com or its employees.Before getting back to where we left off, I must say for the record, of the three tracks that Beanie Sigel has released (‘I Go Off,’ ‘How I Could Kill Jigga Man,’ and ‘Think Big’) since his announced affiliation with 50 Cent I like what I’m feeling and hearing in terms of energy, track selection, and flow. Sigel is on some ‘Protect Ya Neck’ and ‘Pac-like stuff.

The only problem is the subject matter: Jay-Z.

Now, I understand the game plan – to draw the new Frank Sinatra into a Philly street fight. But Jay – with the # 1 song in America – is executing the conservative playbook of Live Nation and business manager John Meneilly which calls for no risk-taking or negative press capable of scaring Corporate America, or jeopardizing the bidding war underway to license ‘Empire State of Mind,’ for commercials and public relations campaigns.

No, as my man E From Queens (a 50 supporter and Jay respecter) tells me – looking to execute the ‘rope-a-dope’ fighting style that Muhammad Ali used against George Foreman, Jay-Z will wait for Sigel and 50 to tire out.

We saw this silent-but-deadly approach to how Jay responded to Cam’ron’s attacks on him a few years ago.

To focus on a big target like Jay-Z is tempting and I understand why 50 and Beans would go there but its time for Beanie Sigel to focus on the hottest rapper out right now…Beanie Sigel.

In response to the first part of this two-part series (my debut at AllhipHop.com) I received the following in a thoughtful email:

“Cedric…In light of the lack of success of 50’s latest projects (Mobb Deep, MOP, ‘Curtis,’ ‘Terminate on Site’, ‘Before I Self Destruct’), I’m not sure 50’s going to have the same creative freedom or more importantly – resources at his disposal to put any kind of real push behind Sigel. Particularly with the extremely poor predictions for his current album, and with it being his last contracted album for Interscope. The last thing Beanie needs to get caught up in is a label switch

Great points on the surface but I actually think there may be no more dangerous artist in the world than a 50 Cent who has his back against the wall, with critics predicting his demise, and with resources scarce.

In the introduction to my book, The Entrepreneurial Secret, using the example of the circumstances that 50 was in when he made the riskiest record in rap history, ‘How To Rob,’ I explain that some people are at their best when most people think they are at their worst. For them, necessity is the mother of invention and having to make something happen when there is no plan B forces them to be more creative than ever.

Therefore, I actually think a hungry 50 Cent who more and more people are starting to count out, is exactly the kind of person Beanie Sigel needs right now.

To me, 50 Cent is a great rapper but he’s an even better arranger. Perhaps the best Hip-Hop has had since Marley Marl (by the way he produced LL Cool J’s masterpiece ‘Mama Said Knock You Out’ when folks were counting him and LL out) and Puffy. An arranger is not a producer (a subject for another day). If you want to understand what the difference is, just listen to Game’s first album and look at what 50 was able to do through him and a great producer (Dr. Dre). I believe he should take a similar approach here. 50 Cent doesn’t need to be all over Beanie Sigel’s tracks as much as he needs to be all over the project quarterbacking the concepts and hooks, bringing in only a handful of musicians and producers that bring the best out of Sigel.

He can give to Sigel what Quincy Jones gave to Michael Jackson, not just through a direct collaboration but through surrounding and coordinating others (like how Quincy Jones brought in the Brothers Johnson, jazz musicians, and Rod Temperton of Heatwave in to work with Michael on ‘Off The Wall’) around the Philadelphia artist.

The question that reportedly haunted Beanie Sigel’s Roc-A-Fella days was ‘Can Beanie Sigel Ever Become A Platinum Artist?’ Reportedly, Jay-Z once told Nas that Beanie Sigel would never sell more than 600,000 records. To me, if true, that question and answer shows some of what was wrong with the Beanie-Sigel-Roc-A-Fella relationship. While record sales must always be in view, you don’t develop someone with the talent and capacities of Beanie Sigel according to current industry standards of success.

The way you market someone like Sigel is from the inside out. You place him in a creative and conceptual environment where he can make theme songs and albums (a lost art in Hip-Hop). You find a pattern or formula of sounds and subject matter and you let Sigel feel, think and write into it. Then, you assemble an inner circle and strategic team of advisers. You mix an inner circle who know music with political strategists, business consultants, spiritual advisers, power brokers, publicists and marketers who can take Beans places he has never gone before and form them into a Mastermind to discuss what they are hearing, interpret it, and figure out how to position Sigel in the marketplace.

In Volume 2 of The Entrepreneurial Secret I describe the 9 personality types in business that can often form this mastermind. They are the Hustler, Gangster, Salesperson, Ideologue, Coordinator, Professional, Businessperson, Engineer and Entrepreneur.

50 could easily build this team of advisers around Beanie Sigel’s album.

You don’t think of Beans like an artist, you think of him like a leader on a political and military campaign -what are the territories, niches, and market segments he and his content can appeal to? – You ask. How can we bring things in his personality and life story out through carefully crafted media, public relations and media campaign that touches not just rap and music media but social, political, racial, religious, and street dimensions.

You don’t just sell albums, you build a catalog that makes him a legend and has new fans begging for his older material.

To this end, free of charge, I offer 50 Cent some advice. He and I can build privately for more details (smile).

Sigel already has the streets (it was good for 50 to re-establish this with the three tracks they’ve released in the past two weeks). But the streets are his current demand. His emerging demand are those people who have never heard of him (which the association of 50 is going to help take care of) and those who have heard him but never understood or appreciated his true introspective impact.

Manufacturing a ‘beef’ with Jay-Z isn’t going to expand his appeal beyond the streets and tap into new markets that would love Sigel if they got to know him.

The three emerging markets for Sigel are the political progressive movement, mainstream Black professionals and entrepreneurs, and key power centers and markets outside of America (many of whom have an immigrant population here).

Here are three concept songs he can make to attract each.

‘What Your Life Like III.’ The streets are political and any artist with street credibility can cross over into the political category by combining introspection, reality, knowledge (facts and stats) and provocative edgy social commentary. Jadakiss tapped into this with ‘Why?’ in 2004, but again, lacked the team infrastructure and strategic game plan to link Jada with the organizations, opinion leaders and events that would have allowed him to translate the song’s popularity into commercial success among the more politically-inclined. ‘What Your Life Like,’ off the ‘The Truth’ album released in 2000 is the definitive track on the realities of incarceration. Anyone who hears it knows that prison life is nothing to glorify, nothing nice. Had Roc-A-Fella had the capacity and strategic insight, they would have reached out to all organizations who work on the issues of prisoner’s rights (to deal with the horrible conditions Beanie describes in the song) and felon disenfranchisement (when those convicted lose their right to vote). 50 and Beans should conceptually discuss a third version of this song (the second appeared on ‘The Reason’ album) that would deal with the issue of prisoner re-entry – what ex offenders go through when they come home, in terms of finding work, dealing with their families, and the struggle not to go back to a life of crime. Once the track is made, 50 and the Mastermind circle should privately call in a few leaders on the issue and discuss ways to position Sigel as the leader on the issues of felon disenfranchisement, and the re-entry of previously incarcerated individuals. Philadelphia already has the reputation for trying innovative things on the issue, so why haven’t we heard Sigel’s voice on the matter? Sigel should also do a prison tour, speaking and performing at certain correctional facilities throughout America. Not only with this endear Beanie Sigel to the progressive political movement but it will cross him over into key power centers of the Black community and inner city political leadership that have the ability to generate positive publicity for him and open opportunities for him outside of the music business.

‘The 50th Law.’ On the opening track to his second album, ‘Nothing Like It,’ Beanie Sigel mentions ‘…Now the Qur’an and 48 Laws polish my flaws…’ the latter reference is to Robert Greene’s book, The 48 Laws of Power. 50 Cent has just collaborated with Robert Greene on a new book The 50th Law. Here is the book’s description,” In The 50th Law, hip hop and pop culture icon 50 Cent (aka Curtis Jackson) joins forces with Robert Greene, bestselling author of The 48 Laws of Power, to write a ‘bible’ for success in life and work based on a single principle: fear nothing. With intimate stories from 50 Cent’s life on the streets and in the boardroom as he rose to fame after the release of his album Get Rich or Die Tryin’, as well as examples of others who have overcome adversity through understanding and practicing the 50th Law, this deeply inspirational book is perfect for entrepreneurs as well as anyone interested in the extraordinary life of Curtis Jackson.”

The book is relevant to what all Americans but especially Black professionals are going through now – layoffs and terminations. With Black unemployment at 16% they are now being forced to consider entrepreneurship. In addition young college students are increasingly nervous about finding jobs and getting degrees in fields that are unstable or dying. With Black teenage unemployment at 42% they are ripe for the message of this book. 50 and Sigel should do a track called, ‘The 50th Law’ and the marketing of it to media and events aimed at these groups. Performances, speaking and book tours at Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) could be arranged and a few special events can be planned where the price of admission is a receipt showing a purchase of The 50th Law, Sigel’s new album, or even an unemployment benefits check. They could have a lot of fun with it and if they make the song an anthem, it will cross over to White professionals and struggling entrepreneurs.

An example of a song with this kind of potential was Cam’ron’s ‘I Hate My Job,’ which should have become the theme song for those working in jobs that make them miserable. All that would have been needed to pull this off is a hot video, massive viral marketing, and a publicist with connections outside of the music industry. Again, Cam’ron (and no artist) doesn’t have the team infrastructure necessary to pull this off. 50 can provide that for Beanie Sigel.

‘My Spots Are Global.’ Sigel should do a track saluting different cities and their ‘street’ histories and traditions – Toronto, Canada; Kingston, Jamaica; London, England; Johannesburg, South Africa; Nairobi, Kenya; Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia; Tokyo, Japan; and Beijing, China. All 50 and Sigel would need is a researcher and historian who could contact individuals on the ground in these countries (easy because of the fan base) and a few scholars and experts who would be happy to provide details on life on the ground and the culture of the people. Or, they could talk to immigrants living here from all of those hot spots, and get a feel for the culture. Sigel’s grasp of the streets, strategic philosophy and principles could be weaved together with these details. Sigel could speak about local life, connect it to similarities in Philly, New York, Atlanta, New Orleans, Chicago, Houston and Los Angeles. He could make fun of rappers here, who wouldn’t know how to find these places on a map and the 50 could arrange the musical production team to mix in instruments popular or in the tradition to these countries. As advisers, perhaps, 50 could call in Quest Love of the Roots (also from Philly) to work with him on the arrangements. This one track alone could open Beanie Sigel to concerts worldwide, remixes with popular local artists, and international sales abroad in places no other rapper has enjoyed.

Any Hip-Hop artist who is just depending on, or trying to eat off of record sales in America is hustling backward. The real money is overseas and its time for an artist with street credibility here to expand their marketing and go get it.

Beanie Sigel would be perfect for this, and with 50’s insight and network it could be done.

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50 Cent has the potential to do what Roc-A-Fella couldn’t in marketing Beanie Sigel.

He has to resist the temptation to not just promote him as a street credible artist or a ‘shooter’ but as a community boss, entrepreneur, political shot-caller and even an emerging world leader.

People are ready for more, and the time and marketplace demands it.

The reason why I believe Jay-Z did not think Beanie Sigel could go beyond 600,000 in sales is because Roc-A-Fella at that time was operating off of the 1990s typical Northeast approach to marketing a street artist. It was a basic low risk positioning tactic that’s part of a larger marketing strategy, with no growth potential.

It went something like this: a purely political-oriented or conscious artist could typically max out at 250,000 units sold. A purely street artist at best, back then, went gold. An artist that appeals to women and could make anthems, and music geared to heavy radio rotation, and clubs could go platinum. Following this thinking, from last decade, an artist who could reach the political crowd, the streets and women, while appealing to a White audience could sell millions more.

Under this model, Tupac is the ultimate or perfect artist.

I know this thinking well because I observed it and at times utilized some of it when I served as GM of Wu-Tang management in the middle part of the late 90s.

But times have changed. Aside from the obvious explosion of Hip-Hop throughout the South, two wars and a deep recession have blurred lines between what is street and what is political. The rise of the Internet, You Tube, Twitter, Facebook, and iTunes for example, have made the music more mobile and allowed people to become their own news editors and program directors. The lines between consciousness and rigid musical categories and genres are blurring everywhere except in radio formats (that is coming soon).

An artist now has to speak more than one language to become relevant and have a long career.

They also have to start realizing that there is a world full of neighborhoods like their own who can relate to them. In other words, Nairobi, Kenya is feeling Beanie Sigel because South Philadelphia has a little bit of Nairobi in it.

The skill set and insights that artists need today go well beyond the typical team infrastructure of a manager, lawyer, agent, and publicist. In fact, these professionals are the ones – maybe more than the artists – who need greater insights into a changing world. They have to do more to incorporate economics, politics, culture, technology and population changes into the strategy and services they provide their talented clients, and to keep them relevant.

The time has come for Hip-Hop to take a page from the world of sports, and bring in outside perspectives to support the creative and promotional process, and recognize that an artist can benefit from a Mastermind of individuals who can interpret what they are doing for new audiences and market segments.

A music industry friend sent me these thoughts:

“Think about pro football: During the 70’s and 80’s the game was based on athletic ability, but as the 90’s approached, teams developed the concept of players being more specialized in skill sets and eye-hand coordination. This lead to lineman being taught martial arts techniques with their hands and learning more about their center or gravity; linebackers practicing with track coaches to help with their outside blitz; running backs, receivers and corners working with choreographers to get better foot work and hip movement.

Every player now has a private nutritionist who plans diets based on their weight and strength requirements (even NBA players like Chris Paul now have personal chefs).

It went from Lynn Swann being the only guy in the league learning ballet to an entire cottage industry springing up to teach players techniques and conditioning methods. This concept changed the game! It revolutionized what a player is expected to know and do when he enters the league.

Now, Chad Ocho Cinco brags about how training as a boxer helps him get off of the line of scrimmage better to run his routes as a wide receiver.

What the players do isn’t football related, but it contributes to making the player better and increasing the profits of the team

The idea of bringing in others to assist in writing, producing and marketing songs may make some in Hip-Hop uncomfortable because the culture rightfully prides itself on individual originality. But true wisdom manifests through a crowd. There is a way to support the individual song-writing process without getting into ‘ghost-writing.’

Still we should all keep in mind that the greatest songs have been written by individuals other than the performer. Michael Jackson is the best example of all.

What this culture and industry needs are arrangers (not just rappers or producers) who understand this.

There is no one better in Hip-Hop than 50 Cent to take us into the new era – the era of the Hip-Hoppreneur ™. Beanie Sigel could be the prototype.

‘Dumbing down’ Beanie Sigel; following the old Northeast model for promoting street artists; or emphasizing only his most obvious personality traits would not only be a mistake, it would be a tragedy and bad business move – leaving money on the table, which 50 hates.

By helping Sigel make an album that could even lend itself to a movie soundtrack where Beans can be at his introspective best, and by bringing in a second layer of advisers and specialists to give strategic advice to the project, Beanie Sigel could not only take himself places he has never been before, but Hip-Hop and all of Philly as well.

Only 50 Cent can fulfill Jay-Z’s vision of Beanie Sigel as that special artist that will go down in history like a Scarface or Tupac.

But it maybe his ultimate challenge.

With the industry counting him out, 2009 looks a lot like 1999 for 50 Cent.

He couldn’t be in a better place to make history with Beanie Sigel.

Last Week: “50 Cent’s Ultimate Challenge: How To Market Beanie Sigel (Part 1)”https://allhiphop.com/stories/editorial/archive/2009/11/18/22031325.aspxAlso, enjoy The Abridged Version of This Hip-Hoppreneur ™ Commentary by clicking here.

Cedric Muhammad is a business consultant, political strategist and monetary economist. He is a former General Manager of Wu Tang Management and the author of The Entrepreneurial Secret: Starting A Business Without A Bank Loan, Collateral or Revenue (http://www.theEsecret.com/). His weekly talk show can be heard each Wednesday from 12 to 5 PM (est) at Cedricmuhammad.com. Cedric can be contacted by email at cedric(at)cmcap.com

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Bernard Hopkins Speaks on Jay/Beans, Confirms Police Incident

Vengeful former Roc-a-Fella artist Beanie Sigel is receiving public support from fellow Philly native and boxing legend Bernard Hopkins, who verified the rumored police incident that ignited the Jay-Z/Beanie Sigel feud.

 

The former middleweight and light-heavyweight champion revealed in an exclusive appearance on AllHipHop Radio’s Eric B. & Friends Morning Show yesterday (November 23).

 

According to Hopkins, who appeared in Beanie Sigel’s State Property 2 film, Jay-Z had dozens of cops and dogs on hand to accost Sigel and remove Sigel from an October Powerhouse concert in Philadelphia.

 

“He had K9’s smelling, they said everybody had to move to the side to escort Beans out,” Hopkins told AllHipHop Radio. “I’m coming like yo what are all these police for? See you’re the man, you shut this sh*t down, it’s your show!”

 

Host Eric B attempted to defend Jay, rationalizing to Hopkins that Jay-Z has the same police presence at all his concerts, and the Sigel situation was likely just a security overreaction.

 

“In Jay’s defense, I think that’s John Menially {Jay-Z’s manager] and them, because Jay don’t really know what’s happening behind the scenes,” Eric B explained. “That’s them overreacting and then they blame Jay and say he knows exactly what’s happening. Bernard that’s like when you come to the ring, you don’t know what happened at the ticket booth, or with security, but ultimately you’re responsible.”

 

Hopkins remained skeptical of the explanation, and confirmed Sigel’s side that authorities targeted him specifically on direct orders.

 

“This was set up beforehand because they didn’t want Beans or none of the bulls in there. I didn’t want to get into it too deep, but there was more to it,” Hopkins maintained. “It was in and out, and they were looking for hammers and everything. I understand this wasn’t a regular show, but this was a whole different look, on some assassination bullsh*t. If that didn’t happen, I could probably agree with you [about Jay]. But when they go look for one dude, and tell him he got to leave? Maybe I’m wrong. Beans’ thing on the radio shows is that nobody was real with him.”

 

The Powerhouse incident, along with perceived shots on Jay-Z’s blockbuster Blueprint 3, prompted Sigel to lash out with several diss songs over the past month: “Average Cat,” “How I Could Kill Jigga Man,” and “Think Big.”

 

Additionally, Sigel publicly proclaimed his signing to 50 Cent, who in the weeks leading up to his latest LP (Before I Self Destruct) unsuccessfully tried to bait Jay-Z into a battle.

 

To date, Jay has not officially retaliated to Sigel or 50 Cent’s attacks.

 

However, fans have speculated that Jay-Z’s tongue in cheek rendition of his “Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t” phrase at the American Music Awards was a veiled reference to 50 Cent’s rumored subpar 1st week numbers for Before I Self-Destruct.

 

Bernard Hopkins is scheduled to make his return to the ring on December 2 against Enrique Ornelas.

 

The fight will air on the Versus network. If victorious, Hopkins will face longtime rival Roy Jones Jr in a PPV rematch on March 13.

 

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“Freeway” Ricky Ross Teams With Nick Cassavetes For Feature Film

Former drug kingpin “Freeway” Ricky Ross has teamed with Emmy Award winning actor and writer Nick Cassavetes, who will help produce and write a screenplay based on Ross’ life.

 

Ross and Cassavetes are working in conjunction with the Geno Taylor and Apocalypto Films to write and produce the screenplay to Ross’ life.

 

The untitled, autobiographical film will reveal the truth about his Los Angeles upbringing, his struggle to become financially literate, his time behind bars and his journey to becoming educated.

 

“I love working with Nick, I think he’s great I love his films,” Rick Ross told AllHipHop.com in a statement. “He and I really vibed the first time we met and I think he truly understands the story. Not only has he been following my life for 25 years but he’s also someone I can kick it with!”

 

Cassavetes is known for directing such critically acclaimed films as The Notebook (2004), Alpha Dog (2006), and My Sister’s Keeper (2009).

 

According to Cassavetes, his vision for the film seeks to expose the pitfalls of the African American dream in contemporary society.

 

“Freeway Ricky Ross is a living American legend. A modern day street genius. To not know his story is to not understand our country – how it works, what it needs, and what it will do to get it,” Cassavetes told AllHipHop.com. “From his modest Los Angeles beginnings to his meteoric rise to the top of the drug world, Rick’s ‘hustle’ was unparalleled in modern history…but when that government was done with him, it locked him up and left him as the fall guy responsible for the destruction of an entire community.”

 

Ross served over 20 years in prison for his role in distributing hundreds of kilos throughout Los Angeles during the 1980’s.

 

Ross presided over a drug empire that stretched from California to Ohio, in addition to grossing millions of dollars per week in illegal proceeds.

 

At present time there was no release date available for Ross’ untitled autobiographical film.

 

Ross is currently traveling with his non profit organization The Freeway Foundation and speaking to children across the United States about their future aspirations and the perils of drug use and the dangers of being involved with gangs.

Canibus Goes After Em On Scathing Diss ‘Air Strike’

Rapper Canibus released a new diss track today (November 23) aimed at Eminem.

 

The track, titled “Air Strike (Pop Killer),” was released on Warlab Records and features Canibus and label mate DZK airing out Eminem over a number of issues.

 

Canibus and DZK insult Eminem on the 5:32 second track, making fun of his feud with Mariah Carey, in addition to Eminem’s addiction to pain killers and his troubled past with his parents.

 

Right before Canibus’ verse starts, he taunts Eminem with a clip of his own words in regards to rap battles.

 

“If you’re an MC and you mention my name in the wrong way, you draw first blood, I’m gonna come back,” Eminem says in a sample, taken from an interview with Tim Westwood in 2002.

 

“You aint know Hip-Hop messiah/You a b#### cause you dissed Mariah/s### like that is supposed to be private/I’ma fry you on behalf of Mariah and Michael/Put you back on the drugs, make you suicidal,” Canibus raps.

 

The disrespectful lines get worse as the track moves on, referencing the infamous incident in which actor Sacha Baron Cohen’s bare bottom landed in Eminem’s face at the MTV Music Awards in May.

 

According to Eminem his beef with Canibus started in 1998, before he was signed to a record label.

 

During in interview with Tim Westwood, Eminem explained the beef started after LL Cool J released his track “The Ripper Strikes Back,” a response to Canibus’ diss record “Second Round K.O.”

 

Originally, Canibus and producer Wyclef believed that Eminem wrote the lyrics to the track for LL Cool J, an allegation Eminem denied.

 

Despite Canibus’ attempt to squash the beef, Eminem continued to diss him in interviews and on his 2002 album, The Eminem Show.

 

On a track titled “Square Dance,” he referred to Canibus as “Canib**ch.”

 

“Let’s see you Square Dance now/Let’s see you hold your bladder,” DZK raps. “Let’s see you fire back Em/where’s the fire at/it’s suicide hotline time/go dial that/put on that ‘8 Mile’ hat and a file track/Get at some people who can actually diss you back.”

 

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AHH Stray News: Eve, Bun B., Bow Wow, Kelis

Philadelphia rapper Eve is set to make her debut in Dubai this Tuesday (November 24). The Grammy Award winning rapper will appear at Chi Garden, where she will run through a number of her hit singles including tracks like “Who’s That Girl,” “Let Me Blow Your Mind,” “Gotta Man” and others. Eve, who turned 31 last week (November 10th), will also make a high profile appearance on Fox TV’s#### series Glee this week. On Wednesday, Eve will make her debut as a rival Glee Club coach that poses a threat to McKinley High’s chances of winning.

 

Houston rapper Bun B. has teamed with Boost Mobile to host a holiday food drive to benefit the Houston Food Bank. Bun B. and the Houston Food Bank will host the event, to help combat hunger in Houston this holiday season. Boost Mobile will present a $5,000 donation to Bethel Place, Bun B.’s charity of choice. Radio station KBXX 97.9 The Box will broadcast live during the event, which takes place from 1:30 to 2:30pm. Bun B. will also greet fans and sign autographs during the food drive, which takes place at the Boost Mobile Retail Store at 7541 Westheimer

 

Rapper Bow Wow will visit South Africa next month during a private tour of the country. According to reports, Bow Wow will perform at private parties in Jozie, Cape Town, PE and Durban. The rapper is being hosted by In House Inc., an international promotions and PR company. Bow Wow is scheduled to land on December 5th and will take part in a press conference and a number of events, details of which will be made public at a later date.

 

R&B singer Kelis released a new single today (November 23). The 29-year-old singer’s new track “Acapella” hit the Internet today around 12:30 PM. The single is Kelis’ first official release since giving birth to her new born son Knight with estranged husband/rapper, Nas, in July. The pair are currently involved in a divorce, with both seeking custody of the child. Kelis is also seeking $72,728 in spousal and child support , a request which Nas attempted to block earlier this month. To hear the track, click here.

Pics From The American Music Awards

Jay-Z, Snoop Dogg, Drake, Kid Cudi, Ne-Yo, Samuel L. Jackson

and The Black Eyed Peas showed up to the American Music Awards at the Nokia

Theater in Los Angeles last night (Nov. 22).

 

 

 

Jay-Z and the Black Eyed Peas won two AMA Awards each, but

the most interesting stuff were the pictures and performances of all the acts.

 

 

Jay-Z, Eminem, 50 Cent, Mary J. Blige, Lady Gaga, Jennifer

Lopez, Timbaland and the Black Eyed Peas hit the stage during the evening, and

almost all of them hit the red carpet and a special portrait studio.Now, Check out these images…if you want the news of the winners, CLICK HERE!

 

  

 

Hip-Hop Rumors: Jay Dissed 50 Slickly? Chris Brown/Q-Tip Diss Jay-Z? Mase has a BIG PROBLEM!

DISCLAIMER:

 

All content within this section is pure rumor and generally have no factual info outside of what the streets have whispered in our ear. Read on.

THE DAILY TWO SENSE

 

I appreciate all the love and respect that I’ve gotten over

the last few days and week. I want

you all to hit me with whatever you see!

 

SEE SOMETHING?

SAY SOMETHING!

It really makes my life easier and also far more

interesting. I like reading and hearing about other people’s accounts of what

happened. Shout out to all of my regulars and alla that!

Email me rumors and sightings at Al*************@***il.com.

IF YOU WRITE ME, USE ENGLISH!

The only language I know is English. Somebody wrote me this

and said something about me hating on Chris Brown:

yall nd 2 giv chris brown a break and aint s### wrng wit

his dancin bet u cant do it mane chill act like a grown man nstead of trey songz

h8n ass coz he cnt dance or sang i kno u cnt

ENGLISH! Nobody’s calling him out, but that young man has to

accept that this world is back and forth. It’s not a one-way street. If you

wear Mandex, I am going to comment on it and so are a lot of other people. Lady

Gaga’s not b####### up! She proudly wears crazy gear and rides it out!

 

 

WHAT DO CHRIS BROWN AND Q-TIP HAVE IN COMMON?

 

They both SEEMED to take a shot at Jay-Z at the American

Music Awards. As Jay-Z said his acceptance speech, CB tweeted “cornball” and

he quickly deleted the tweet. EVERYBODY saw that as a shot, but CB said he as

referring to somebody in his house. Here is how he copped the apparent plea on

Twitter.

 

 

Well, he denied saying anything about Jay-Z but it sure

seemed well-timed. Then there is Q-Tip, who initially said:

 

“cocky rapper…. gee whiz… we get it”

 

Then he explained a bit more:

 

“no hate…. general staement…”

 

And then he said:

 

“oh brotha…. no beef at all. the cockiness is apparent with

all of us rappers. pt.2 coming”

 

 

I think Tip was talking about Jay-Z, and it wasn’t a general

statement, but that’s just me.

 

 

NOW, WAS JAY-Z DISSING 50 CENT?

 

Jay-Z loves this line, “Women Lie, men lie, numbers don’t.”

It’s a cool lil slogan I guess, even though one could argue it.

Nevertheless, it seemed that at the American Music Awards, Jay was taking a

shot at 50 Cent at that time. Jay no longer addresses his detractors directly

anymore. It is all subliminal, if you ask me!

 

 

IT’S NOT SAFE FOR MA$E

 

If Mase thinks he’s just going to come back to Hip-Hop with

no problems, I think I can safely say he’s wrong. Not only are his former

parishioners complaining that he’s a false prophet preacher, but he’s got some

street beef also. We all know and love Big L. Well, Big L’s big brother is

really BIG, as in he’s a weight-lifting m###! I heard he doesn’t like Ma$e one

bit and said:

“Mase is a B**CH and a LIAR! He could never be on

the same level as my lil’ brother. Thats why he used to come around the block

and D**KRIDE Big L! (And the block i’m talking about is 139st Lennox) And

D**kride means wanting to be around us ALL the time! Because we was the streets

and we were serious about them streets! How do i feel about Mase? F**K Mase!

And when i do see him, i am going to slap the S**T out of him, like the B**CH

he is! Believe that!”

Ma$e: Go back to the Church, bro!

 

DID YOUNG BUCK GET ROBBED TRYING TO DO GOOD?

 

Ill, you is the dude to be when it comes to this so maybe

you can assist in this:

The word out in the Bay is that Young Buck came to Hunters

Point (S.F.) to do some music stuff and to talk to the youth with JT the Bigga

Figga. They were there to promote positivity to the kids and somewhere in the

process, a fool allegedly decided to bring the negative in. Rumor has it, Buck

was relieved of his watch and chain. I have sources that confirm he was in the

Bay, but were unable to verify if he got juxed.

 

 

MAYWEATHER SCARED?

 

People are getting out of pocket on the homey Floyd! First

of all George Lopez is suggesting STRONGLY that Floyd Mayweather is scared of

Manny Pacquiao! Peep the video!

 

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Here is what a source of mine is telling me: For the

Cotto/Pacquiao fight, Floyd Mayweather reportedly had three FREE tickets to the

fight and opted not to use them because he didn’t want to field any questions

about a possible bout with him and Manny Pacquiao.

 

 

USHER’S ARTIST GETS ENDANGERED?

 

Shout out to my dude Matthew who dropped this rumor on me.

Now, I am not sure I fully believe what I am reading. But I will let you be the

judge on this one. Usher has some new 15 year old protégée named Justin Brieber

who is signed to Island Def Jam. Anyway, this kid was supposed to sign

autographs at Roosevelt mall in Long Island, NY. Apparently, the organizers

only expected a few hundred kids, but like 3000 plus teenafe girls showed up

and these little girls started rioting! Some accounts claim 10,000 kids showed

up, but I can’t in good conscience say that’s the case. That’s more people than

an Usher concert! LOL! But the problem comes in because a few kids were trampled!

And the word I am hearing is a Def Jam executive was held responsible for it

all. I am being told that the police actually arrested the guy for endangering

the welfare of children, criminal nuisance, reckless endangerment and

obstruction of governmental administration. But I am being told that dude wasn’t

even responsible. It was all these wild kids! SMH!

 

 

Shout out to Young Sosa!

 

 

 

 

CAM’RON FEARS GETTING SHOT AGAIN?

 

Well, let me first say there is no way that I can blame

anybody for having fears of getting shot. Now, I am a lil’ late on this rumor,

but I just heard it…sue me! The Clipse and Cam’ron have a new song called

“Popeye” and it’s a nice song. But I heard the video was a lil’ trickier for

the guys. Rumor has it, they were doing the shoot in BK, in an area that Cam

was not comfy with. Well, lo and behold, the people that tell me this say that

Cam had gotten shot somewhere near that very part of Brooklyn. Cam’ron refuses

to get out of his car and nobody could coax him out to do the video shoot. I

guess Cam had a different “shooting” in his mind. Nevertheless, Cam took the

whole set out to Harlem at a local Popeye’s to shoot the rest of the video…here

is what hood perfection looks like.

 

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ILLSEED’S QUICKIES

 

There’s been some dude going around saying Canibus has a new

Eminem diss called “Pop Killer.” Waiting for audio, if it exists.

 

Beyonce was seen on Oxford Street London yesterday doing

some late night shopping, says my homey Caze.

 

Speaking of Beyonce – it doesn’t seem possible, but she is

hinting strongly that she is going to release another CD in 2010. I would love

for her to take a year off…or 3.

 

I hope this is false, but I’m hearing Lamar and Khloe are

getting ready to divorce already.

 

Mutah Beale aka Napoleon of the Outlawz was also in London

giving a motivational speech at a Mosque yesterday! Thanks, Caze!

 

Shout out to Albert Harris!

 

MORE TWITTER FOLLIES!

 

The Game is cooking up something with Cuba Gooding Jr.:

 

just Cuba Gooding Jr. cleared for the R.E.D. album. you

gotta wait to see what role he plays in this R.E.D. movie !!!

 

Cuba and the song “Ricky” are tied into each other. If you

have ever watched “Boys In The Hood,” you know where this is headed.

 

EPIC FAIL OF THE DAY AND SIGNS THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN

END!

 

This is crazy! Somebody sent this video to me and I didn’t

realize what it was ’til afterwards! Watch it and you tell me if you notice

it…it’s a definite fail though…LOL…WIGS!

 

JAY-Z/CB/Q-TIP, WE LOVE YOU!!!

They keep us talking, but if we stop talking about them then they should worry!

-illseed

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WHAT: Rumors

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Triple C’s Attack KRS-One, New Boyz

Rick Ross affiliates Triple C’s have taken aim at legend KRS-One and the New Boyz in response to what they deem are hypocritical critiques of their style of Hip-Hop.

 

In a recent interview for rollingout.com, the 3 man group resurrected the 3 year old debate Nas coined with his 2006 Hip-Hop Is Dead LP, and launched criticism at KRS-One in spite of the Bronx veteran dropping an album in early 2007 entitled Hip-Hop Lives.

 

For them, Hip-Hop’s health is based on the fact there is still money being made, and not the stance of some fans and critics that the genre has seen a downward spiral due to the lack of creativity from certain artists.

 

“You notice it’s the people that always say ‘Hip-Hop is dead,’ they ain’t got no money,” argued Torch. “And to top it all off, it’s like Hip-Hop is dead but when they had their run, the same people that say these things, they be in pictures with AK’s, they forgot all that now. You need to do your track record, do your homework and the record that people are pointing their fingers, you gotta realize, every time you point your finger, the other four are pointing right back at you. You gotta understand what’s going on. So at the end of the day, I ain’t with the finger pointing and the other four pointing back at you, but at the end of the day, music is music. You stay in your genre of music whether its backpack, dancing, and let us stay in ours. We make real music.”

 

To accentuate Torch’s point, rapper Gunplay dismissively shouted out Boogie Down Productions’ landmark debut Criminal Minded while a picture of BDP’s politically charged and Malcolm X-inspired cover for By All Means Necessary flashed on screen.

 

Triple C’s then turned their attention to teen group the New Boyz, implying the duo were gay due to their choice of clothing.

 

“We don’t knock nobody’s hustle because we don’t want anyone to knock ours, because we might knock your head off,” stated Breed. “If your jeans tighter than my b####’s, hey, we’re not knocking your alternative lifestyle. It’s on you if you want to wear sparkling beat chains. But don’t [criticize] when we talk about our sticks, bricks, when we’re doing our thing because we’re going to feed the streets regardless. We talk about what we know.”

 

Triple C’s debut album Custom Cars & Cycles was released on October 27.

Monday Fashion Feature: Check Out Sean John’s Sexy New Couple!

 

Let us introduce you to the real-life version of Love & Basketball – New York Giant’s cornerback Aaron Ross and his fiancé, athlete Sanya Richards.

 

Sports sexiest couple recently modeled exclusively for DrJays.com to debut Sean John‘s Holiday ’09 collection, which includes the relaunch of the brand’s new women’s line.

 

Aaron, 27, is a Super Bowl XLII champion, while Sanya, 24, is the “fastest woman in the world” – the world’s top-ranked female 400m runner, winning gold medals at the 2004 and 2008 Olympic Games.

 

Check out the very cute video of the couple speaking on their six-year long relationship, what keeps them together and much more.

 

 

Aaron and Sanya’s Sean John photo shoot will debut on DrJays.com on Thursday, December 3.

 

After missing the first nine games of the season with a severe hamstring strain, “Ross” (as he’s affectionately called by his girl), made his 2009 debut this Sunday against the Atlanta Falcons – where the Giants won 34-31!

 

See the latest from women’s and men’s Sean John gear, including some styles that Aaron and Sanya are rocking in the video.

 

The brand has taken a more clean and contemporary turn this holiday season.

 

Are you feeling it?

Jay-Z, Black Eyed Peas Win At AMA’s

Jay-Z and The Black Eyed Peas were the big Hip-Hop winners during the 37th annual American Music Awards, which took place tonight (November 22nd) at the Nokia Theater in Los Angeles.

 

Jay-Z and the Black Eyed Peas each won two AMA Awards. Jay-Z won for Favorite Male Hip-Hop Artist and Favorite Hip-Hop album, while the Black Eyed Peas won Favorite Pop/Rock/Duo and the best Soul/R&B group.

 

Jay-Z, Eminem, 50 Cent, Mary J. Blige, Lady Gaga, Jennifer Lopez, Timbaland and the Black Eyed Peas hit the stage during the evening, which also included come back performances featuring Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston.

 

Jay-Z and Alicia Keys performed together as Keys opened the set with a rendition of Frank Sinatra’s “New York, New York.

 

The rapper, who has dubbed himself “the black Frank Sinatra,” performed in a white tuxedo jacket with black pants.

 

Eminem lost out to Taylor Swift for Artist of the Year and went home empty handed.

 

He performed his hit single “Crack a Bottle” with 50 Cent, in addition to his verse from the track “Forever,” which features Drake, Kanye West and Lil’ Wayne.

 

Taylor Swift won the most awards at the 37th Annual AMA’s, taking home a total of five awards, edging out the late Michael Jackson, who won four posthumous awards.

 

Presenters included Snoop Dogg, Drake, Kid Cudi, Ne-Yo, Samuel L. Jackson and others.

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Dre Confirms ‘Detox’ Appearances From 50 And Game

Producer Dr. Dre has confirmed that rivals 50 Cent and Game will make cameo appearances on his often delayed album Detox.

 

Dre made the revelation during a press conference for his Beats by Dre headphone line at Best Buy’s Union Square location in New York on Thursday (November 19).

 

A reporter for RapRadar.com queried the producer on the feud between the two artists, who are affiliated with his Aftermath imprint.

 

“Everything is good. Both guys are gonna be on my record,” Dr. Dre revealed. “And you know, I’m just trying to put it back where it’s supposed to be, all love.”

 

When asked about the release date of Detox, Dr. Dre could offer no solid date.

 

“The minute it’s done and it feels right to me, that’s when it’ll come out. Hopefully in the beginning of the year,” Dre said.

 

Dre’s headphone line is a partnership with Interscope and Monster Cable and Best Buy.

 

Best Buy will set up custom “Club Beat” areas in 300 stores to sell the Beats by Dr. Dre headphones in addition to DJ equipment, mixers, turntables, laptops and other gear.

 

While the Game and 50 cent may make cameo appearances on Detox, the cold war of words between the two rappers rages on.

 

In a recent interview with MTV.com, 50 Cent proclaimed that he would never work with Game under any circumstances.

 

“I wouldn’t do it,” 50 Cent told MTV.com. “I’d be on a record, on a song, on the [Detox] album, but not on that record [with Game].”

 

The Game replied to 50’s comments in an interview with Complex Magazine. Although he had unflattering words for his rival, Game said he would consider working with 50 Cent in the future.

 

“I mean, I don’t know what 50’s problem is but I’m here,” Game told Complex.com. “Whenever he wants to call me on the phone and talk about it, squash it or we can keep on going with this f**king child like antics. He can do it, I can do it and we can do it ’til we f#####’ die, it makes me no difference, man.”

Knockout Nation: Ward Upsets Kessler! Mayweather-Pacquiao-Mosley, Duran vs. Mosley, Who Wins?

Ward Takes WBA Title in Dominant Win Over Kessler

2004 Olympic medalist Andre Ward (21-0, 13 KOs) got the U.S. on board on Saturday (November 21) with a near shutout performance over Super Six tournament favorite Mikkel Kessler (42-2, 32 KOs).

 

Ward took control from round one, peppering Kessler with hard, long jabs and hooks from both orthodox and southpaw stances. The switch hitting kept Kessler confused, and whenever they exchanged it was Ward landing first with cleaner, harder punches due to his superior handspeed.

 

As the rounds mounted, Ward continued to outclass Kessler with sharp counter hooks, and also outgunned the Danish champion on the inside with roughhouse mauling. In round 3, Ward knocked Kessler back with several counter hooks off the champion’s slow, leaning jab.

 

 

By the 5th, Andre Ward had knockout on the brain and became more brazen with his attacks. The young Oakland native rushed forward with leaping hooks and left his chin periously high to get clipped by the powerful Kessler. However, Mikkel had been shellshocked from the previous rounds of stinging counters, and most times failed to time Ward with his vaunted right hand. Still, the skilled champion was able to briefly stop Ward’s attacks with 2 hard straight rights to the body.

 

 

Kessler built some brief momentum in the 6th, when he caught Ward rushing in with a thudding left hook. The challenger simply adjusted, and took the fight inside where the normally slick boxer Ward again roughed up Kessler with uppercuts in the clinches. By the 7th, Ward had completely regained control and was hitting Kessler at will with triple jabs, straight rights/lefts, and uppercuts from both orthodox and southpaw stances.

 

The situation became dire for Kessler following the 8th, when Ward’s aggressiveness caused a damaging headbutt that opened a jagged, gushing cut above the WBA champion’s left eye. Kessler said point blank in the corner he couldn’t see, but refused to give up as some members of his corner suggested.

 

For the remainder of the fight, Kessler was comprehensively outclassed and failed to build any significant offense: partly from Ward’s speed and physicality, and also from the fact he could no longer see the punches due to the cuts. Another accidental clash of heads in the 10th ripped open Kessler’s face, causing the disheartened Dane to focus on the ref for help.

 

Into the 11th, a hard Ward right hand prompted the referee to have the ringside physician view Kessler’s cuts, which resulted in a stoppage for the cut caused on the accidental headbutt.

 

 

The rules dictate if an accidental headbutt stops a fight after four completed rounds, the bout is decided on the scorecards, where Andre Ward took a unanimous decision by the tallies of 98-92 (twice), and 97-93.

 

The impressive win was the first for an American in the Super Six super-middleweight tournament, and gave Ward his first major title since turning pro 5 years ago.

 

“I felt like it was my time. I wasn’t intimidated by Kessler’s record,” Ward explained in the post-fight interview. “If God is with you, who can be against you? I was surprised he didn’t make [any] adjustments. He kept doing the same thing over and over. But he’s a super champion and I know why he’s been champion for so long.”

 

Kessler, his face cut to pieces from punches and butts, was still in shock after the loss and was reticent in giving praise to Ward.

 

“I’m not used to the referee not stopping the fight when there’s holding. Every time he got in he headbutted me,” Kessler stated. “He hit me some times because it got me out of rhythm. It was unfair with the headbutts, the holding, and the hometown referee. He was coming in with his head all the time. I could not see in my eyes.”

 

This bout completes the first round of the tournament. Next, Andre Ward will defend his newly won title against Jermain Taylor, who is seeking to get back to winning after back to back 12th round knockout losses. Mikkel Kessler faces Carl Froch, and Andre Dirrell takes on Arthur Abraham.

 

Andre Ward looked great last night and basically beat Kessler in every possible facet: outside, inside, workrate, power, aggression, and yes even the occasional dirty tactics (Ward’s 8th round charging headbutt was brutal). But considering the treatment Andre Dirrell received in Nottingham against Carl Froch, fighters must expect things like this when they fight in another’s hometown. And in the case of Ward-Kessler, the fight was not close whatsoever. Kessler would have lost regardless, the headbutts just added insult to injury.

 

It’ll be interesting to see how Kessler rebounds against Carl Froch early next year. Previously, I felt he would KO Froch but after seeing how uncomfortable he was in being manhandled by Ward, my confidence has fallen in that prediction.

 

In the meantime, Andre Ward’s chances to win this tournament will remain high if he can keep his form from Saturday night. Jermain Taylor has a difficult task in front of him.

 

 

 

Mayweather Keeping Mosley as Backup in Pacquiao Talks

For months, Floyd Mayweather has remained dismissive whenever asked of a possible showdown with Shane Mosley, despite the two alternating between calling each other out for the last 5 years.

 

Now that preliminary talks between the camps of Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao have begun, Floyd’s side has been more vocal with their intentions if the negotiations stall or completely fall through.

 

“If the fight can’t be made, we’ll fight Shane Mosley if he can get past Berto,” said Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe to the Los Angeles Times.

 

The main sticking point will be the purse split and which fighter is the “bigger draw” who deserves the lion’s share. After much posturing early on, Top Rank promoter Bob Arum and Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach have conceded to 50-50, while Mayweather’s camp is insisting their man is entitled to a bigger slice of the pie.

 

“Floyd is clearly the biggest star in boxing, based on the numbers against the same three common opponents. And all six of those fights were in a three year span,” Ellerbe told the Grand Rapids Press. “It wasn’t any long period of time. This isn’t difficult to figure out at all. Pacquiao’s side has a distorted perception of facts. But numbers don’t lie. People do. Pacquiao had good numbers, God bless him, but he had a dance partner [Cotto] this time.”

 

The numbers Ellerbe alludes to are Mayweather’s PPV figures against Oscar De La Hoya (2.4 million), Ricky Hatton (940,000), and his most recent comeback bout against Juan Manual Marquez (1 million). In comparison, Manny Pacquiao did respective PPV figures of 1.25 million, 825,000, and 400,000.

 

Pacquiao’s side can point out that the Filipino’s bout with Miguel Cotto beat Mayweather’s last fight by grossing 1.25 million. However Floyd’s explaination is that Pacquiao only did marginally higher despite Cotto’s fanbase, and that he would have easily done more if he was the one that fought the Puerto Rican star.

 

The fight will happen, no matter what is said. HBO won’t accept any other opponent, despite Mayweather throwing Mosley’s name out there, and Pacquiao’s team mentioning a third Marquez fight.

 

Bob Arum himself said it best earlier this week.

 

“It’s not so much that I give a damn whether this fight happens, I don’t, and for me it’s not the greatest experience doing a promotion with Floyd Mayweather,” Arum told the Associated Press. “But not doing this fight would slow down the momentum of boxing.”

 

 

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Mythical Matchup of the Week: “Sugar” Shane Mosley vs. “Hands of Stone” Roberto Duran

Before they leapt to welterweight to secure the signature wins of their careers, Roberto Duran and Shane Mosley made their names among hardcore fight fans by terrorizing the lightweight division.

 

Duran was a nightmare opponent no matter your style. Boxers were systemically broken down with unrelenting, educated pressure. And sluggers were routinely outclassed on the inside courtesy of Roberto’s innate countering ability, rough fouls, and his skills in slipping/blocking punches.

 

 

 

On the other hand, Shane Mosley had simply too much speed and power for his opponents. After taking the IBF title via unanimous decision from Phillip Holiday in 1997, Mosley would make 8 defenses, all by knockout.

 

A big fan of Duran, Mosley spoke exclusively with Knockout Nation regarding how he’d handle Duran’s legendary inside fighting and dogfight mentality.

 

“I think that I’d fight exactly how Sugar Ray Leonard did. I’d be on my toes and use my boxing skills. I know he’d come right at me. What would offset Roberto Duran would be my strength and my power,” Shane Mosley explained in his Knockout Nation interview. “He wouldn’t be able to wrestle me because I’m pretty good on the inside. It’s funny you say him because I study his clips and we’re alike in a lot of ways. He can box as well as fight. The other day I watched his fight with Edwin Viruet. I picked up some different things in that fight. But the best fight probably wouldn’t have been at welterweight. The best fight would’ve been at lightweight because we would’ve really rumbled [laughs].”

 

You can see in the above quote Mosley’s demeanor; even when he knows it’s more beneficial to box a particular opponent, the fighter in him can’t pass up a brawl, hence his admission that he and Duran would have “rumbled” at lightweight. As soon as Duran caught him with a good counter, Mosley would be drawn into a hellacious battle on the inside much like his predecessor Sugar Ray Leonard was in 1980.

 

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Sugar is correct, his physical strength will prevent him from being bullied and overwhelmed like some Duran opponents. However, Hands of Stone holds the skill advantage in the trenches, and will repeatedly catch Mosley from different angles with counter hooks. Mosley would flurry hard, blazing shots in retaliation, but more often than not Duran would be the one slipping those punches and landing the cleaner work inside.

 

Mosley would be in the fight the full 15 because of his toughness and iron chin, and would undoubtedly be Duran’s toughest test at lightweight, even more so than his classic trilogy with Esteban DeJesus.

 

My prediction is Roberto Duran wins a close decision in a classic war with scorecards in the 144-141 range over 15 rounds, and both men getting stunned/hurt several times.

 

What’s your prediction?

 

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