Damon Dash

Dame Dash Talks Jay Z Split, Says Record Label Employees Are “Slaves” + More


(AllHipHop News) Dame Dash may have lost Roc-a-Fella Records but the same domineering personality remains.

In a recent interview with Details Magazine, the boisterous 42 year old entrepreneur talks in detail about the infamous Roc-A-Fella Records split, why record label employees are “slaves” and a lot more.

Apparently, Dash and Jay had dinner at the restaurant Da Silvano in New York City in December of 2004 where Jay announced he would be assuming presidency of Def Jam. Due to Dame’s much publicized temper, Jay felt the best business decision was to distance himself from Dash, however offered to give Dash the Roc-A-Fella name if Dash turned over the rights to Reasonable Doubt. Dash refused because Jay Z’s “just business” approach went against the original plan for Roc-A-Fella:

Honestly, I didn’t give a f*ck. The whole thing was based on our friendship. He made it clear he didn’t want me to be a part of Roc-A-Fella. I was like, ‘A’ight.’ Everything else was like, ‘Go be you. You want to do this, do it.’ He told me it was just business. He said that it was business. ‘I want to look like a businessman, and I can’t be a businessman around you.

In the article, Dash is quoted to have said that record label employees, specifying Def Jam are “slaves” whom “put their balls on a silver platter” in exchange for a proverbial  “three meals a day, a warm bed.”

Ironically, Def Jam co-founder  Simmons describes Dash as a “visionary” in the article and attributes the careers of three of the most popular rappers of the last 15 years to Dash’s magnanimous work ethic:

Without Damon, there would have been no Jay-Z or Kanye or Cam’ron and no Roc-A-Fella. What he did for Jay and everyone, he was selfless. He took the bullets.

Check out the full interview here

  • Brindle

    SHORT BUT GOOD ARTICLE… Jays businessmen title really is unearned. He’s a temporary marketing tool like most rappers.

    • Thomas Smith

      really how can you say unearned his credentials speaks volume what are you talking about the reason why jay z couldn’t be a businessman around dame was because of two reasons: Dame rubbed a lot of people the wrong way (case in point: kanye west, just blaze, freeway, jay-z, lyor cohen, russell simmons…etc) the next reason you have to understand, that when roc-a-fella was started in order to talk to jay z you had to go through dame….and a lot of the business ventures that jay z wanted to get into dame wasn’t having….

      • Brindle

        I agree with you in concept but the only people that say that are the Jay supporters and when you look at the time line, Jay couldn’t take off til Big and Pac died. Most people wanted to deal with Nas, movies, marketing, etc… So who are these people that wanted to deal with Jay but couldn’t? If they’re claiming that from Def Jam, they’re a record label, they weren’t doing anything big then to need to talk to Jay with out Dame present. Also, business men create opportunity and make decisions. Most of Jays opportunities are hand outs due to his name and his wifes name (that’s marketing of the company approaching, not Jay) Most of his decisions are him just agreeing to make money with someone off something they’ve already created… I just think his business title is for his image to fool us into supporting him outside of music, but don’t get me wrong, i respect the brotha and wish him the best but I study business on a regular basis and Jay doesn’t live up to the businessman image.

      • Brindle

        i alway say i’d never type that long

      • innercity99

        So based off your assumption u can say the same about Diddy and the only reason Ciroc wanted 2 do business with him was cause of his name and any and u can say that about pretty much any other artist and about the stupid “Jay ain’t pop till big n pac died” bullshit whem his 1st album came out pac and big were still alive most people view it as a classic but since it didn’t go platinum that somehow tarnishes Jays Legacy? U sound very folish

      • ZUBU

        IMO, the difference is that Diddy was the brains of the Bad Boy empire. Whereas Jay was not the brains of the Roc. Now Puffy did some shady things along the way like robbing Biggie for his royalties off the first album. Big was broke waiting to recoup and getting the album profits. So Puffy buys the rights to the first album for 70K so Big could have living expenses. I thought that was a shady move cause he prolly has made millions off that album, and Bigs mom should have that money. Nice biz move but shady to do to that to your boy. He should have gave Big a loan, not rape him. We know how he did the Lox. Also with Ciroc they were selling 50k cases a year when Puff bought in now they sold 2 mill cases. Plus Puff bought 50% of the biz and had a big impact on the biz operations. He’s not a front man for the biz like Jay is for several companies. Puffy who I don’t care much for is a true Boss. Birdman and his brotha Ronald, Master P. James Prince, Dr. Dre are all true Bosses.

      • Brindle

        you just proved my point… Jay’s 1st album was classic but when did it get recognised for what it deserved? After the death of Pac and Big… its not a tarnish, just the reality of the environment…

      • Executive

        Pac and big are gone, Jay Z been on for years just except it.

      • Brindle

        You, my ignorant responder, sound stupid. I didn’t say Pac and big are alive. And Jay has been at the top for years. What’s your point? Let the feeling of stupidity start in 5, 4 , 3 2,

      • Executive

        You dumb bitch no shit their dead, not what I was saying.

      • Brindle

        lmao… u got mad

      • Executive

        Glad I made your day.

      • Weedras

        so based off your reasoning if biggie and pac didn’t die X wouldn’t have made a name for himself also… that’s a lame excuse to take a stab at anyone’s success..

      • Brindle

        at the time, X and Ja Rule would’ve struggled… Death Row and Bad Boy Vibe magazine and the beef of DR and BB dominated the market. It wasn’t due to talent, it was due to the environment. I aint knocken Jay at all

      • Weedras

        ok… i get you, but i still believe there was room for more stalwarts in the business at the time pac and big may have been dominant but as human nature proves the fans would’vel gotten tired of the east vs west if they both hadn’t died… i still think X an Jay would have made a name for themselves heck they were already known in the underground and Jay was somewhat embroiled in the he said she said shit of the coastal beef… hip hop was in rapid ascendancy and expansion so there would have been room…

      • ZUBU

        You’re right bro Jay is not a biz man in the true sense. Jay claims he was hustling in VA, etc. but Dame really put up the start money for the first video; Dame paid for studio time to record Reasonable Doubt; Dame went to the record labels trying to get Jay signed; Dame came up with the Idea of starting their own label, then later clothing line, etc. I could go on for days. The records labels see Jay as a way to make money so they invest in him. Much like when athletes and others get endorsement deals they see you as a means to make money. Like the sports agency the people Jake partnered with already were well established, they’re are just using him as bait to draw in minority clients. The Roc Nation contract he signed is a 360 deal they gave him some front money to sign, but they will make money of everything he touches, they control his image and get a cut of everything he makes. I give Jay credit for taking advantage of opportunities. I know they say Dame was difficult to work with but he only wanted to control what they built. He knew the music industry snakes would try to screw them. Like in one video Dame goes off because the label people were trying to holla at Jay without Dame’s input. Eventually Jay felt like he didn’t need Dame to make money anymore, so Jay bounced. I believe in loyalty, but Jay took the carrot they offered and bounced. The three of them should still be making money together Jay, Dame, and Biggs….

      • ZUBU

        At the time, Jay-Z was a bit of an underdog in the music industry. He had tried and failed for years to secure his own record deal but was rejected for being too old or not appearing hard enough. Jay didn’t fit the mold of fellow typical Brooklyn rappers who wore gold teeth and sang exclusively about dealing drugs and killing people. With Jay-Z as his partner, Damon Dash founded Roc-A-Fella records. The name was a play on oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller, the richest American of all time who died with an inflation adjusted net worth of $340 billion. The name was also a nod to a famous Brooklyn drug dealer named Rocafella who Jay-Z idolized as a young hustler. That Rocafella is the one who died of AIDS and is immortalized in the NAS song “Ether” (“Rocafella died of AIDS, that was the end of his chapter And that’s the guy y’all chose to name your company after?”).

        Damon wanted Jay to film a music video as fast as possible but there was just one problem. Roc-A-Fella Records had no money. To raise cash, Damon sought an investment from a well connected street hustler named Kareem “Biggs” Burke. Damon took 100% of Burke’s $16,000 investment and poured it into producing a music video for Jay’s song “In My Lifetime” on the Caribbean island of St. Thomas. Burke also arranged for Jay and Damon to have access to a wealthy local kingpin’s mansion and speed boat for the video:

      • TheOnlyCoop

        Like I said they all put up money. You’re forgetting all about Emory. who also put up money. You’re also forgetting about Jay’s time in Maryland and Virginia. And his connection to Klein.

      • ZUBU

        I beg to differ bro. Emory and Klein had paper, I think they may have helped Jay a bit on the streets. Emory essentially took the case for Jay, or at least he didn’t take anyone down with him. If they had of invested in the Roc they would have had a stake in the Roc. Also all the VA and Maryland talk, Jay was there but more as a sidekick to DaHaven and Emory. Jay was not the man. Also I have never heard anyone who was in the loop say that Jay was getting good size money. Not Emory, Klein, DaHaven, Dame, Biggs, Jaz-O, etc. The only people I ever heard say that about Jay had were Bleek, and Ty Ty, and they Jay’s lil men so of course they gonna hype him up. Dame and Biggs financed the music startup that’s why they had the stock in the company. Biggs put up most of the paper, though Dame had some from club promotions, and he managed a couple small acts before Jay. Dame was the brains, Biggs was the money man, and Jay was the artist. Until one of the big boys say that Jay had paper, I got to view it as fiction.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        I’m not saying that Klein put up paper. But even with Klein and Jay falling out, Klein still says that Jay was one of his close solders. With Klein being a Major Kingpin what type of money are soldiers pulling in? I’d say it’s enough to play a major financial part in starting a label. Dame and no one else has never said that wasn’t true. Quan (he’s not Jay’s little man) in Va has said that Jay was the one hitting his cousin off and they were dealing in major weight. Even Dehaven said that Jay screwed up some major weight back in the day “Lost 92 bricks had to fall back Knocked a ni**a off his feet, but I crawled back Had A-1 credit, got more crack From the first to the fifth, gave it all back If, I’m not a hustler what you call that” (Ty-Ty hated that he put that line out because it hit to close to home) and the St. Thomas connect was via Emory, Biggs dealt with other people. Clark Kent even talks about how he had to beg Jay to keep rapping because the money wasn’t matching the street money he was getting at the time.They all had stock in the company which is why Jay was able to shut down the Cam VP deal since his end was higher.

      • ZUBU

        Com’on bro “lost 92 bricks” Jay entertaining the masses and I thought it was a smoth line. Real talk bro even at 10k a brick that’s almost a million, and word is bond not one single brotha in NYC was getting bricks for 10k. Not even dominicans were getting it that cheap. I’ve lived in the region and still have family in the NY, NJ, CT area. Klein and his crew were not even making that much. Also East coast slang back in the day you had the boss who financed everything, then the next levels were right hand man, capos, leiuntant, then soliders. On the East coast the only part of the crew who went hand to hand on the block were soliders and lookouts. That’s what the East coast was like back in the late 80’s early/mid 90’s. I can’t quote too much about current stuff. Jay just was spitting fantasy talk. As far as dame and Biggs never saying he didn’t do it, it was in their best financial interest for him to tell fantasy shiiitt. Emory I can’t speak on everybody admits he was doing it, but as far as the St. Thomas connect there was a brotha from there who just agreed yesterday to what I stated. He lived in St. Thomas named the brotha who’s mansion it was. He from there he didn’t dispute it wasn’t Biggs who pulled that move. IJS

      • TheOnlyCoop

        Calm down, I’m relating the line to what came out of Dehaven’s own mouth. I’m sure the numbers were exaggerated, but I also know that Dehaven said a situation like that happened for serious numbers and that is fact from the mouth from someone that doesn’t like Jay. And here is some real talk back in the day all of the slang you are talking about are over stated. Capo was and Italian thing. The feds started labeling everyone with that to sound good in court. On the East coast it was mainly crews made up of soliders and everyone played different roles. I’m saying this as someone that was there. Quan from Va Beach has verified the Va part what does he gain from that? He was part of Nas’s team. You’re talking about $16,000 for a video. During that period that was short money. During that time period in Philly, DC and Va you had to move about 20-30 of them a week to be considered the man. So it was nothing for a solider to be sitting on $100,000 plus. I’ve personally known cats with no real crew to back them up to be sitting on $50,000 in loose change in Deer Park water bottles. I’ve even known cats that were getting money in those parts that still don’t like Jay that will say “yeah he was getting money, but it was only because his man put him on” or “he had some bread but I had more” and these dudes are official. Back then the money flowed like water.

      • ZUBU

        Bro we can be gentlemen and agree to disagree. from what I heard from Dahaven on a series of u-tube clips he claims he took Jay to VA. MD. He claims it was his paper He said after Jay wasn’t getting no money after touring with Jaz-O that he took Jay to Jersey and let Jay stay with him and his aunt. Klein said the only truthful about what Jay saying is that Jay is from Marcy and his name is Shawn Carter. Klein say Jay rapping about his (Klien’s) lifestyle. You can google these video clips. Possibly they hating on Jay now, some will say.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        You need to go on YouTube and search for “Alpo Dame Jay” and while you’re at it google the site Dehaven set up to expose Jay. On there is a forum where he goes back forth with people that were actually there. I’m talking facts man. Sorry but I know a lot more facts about this. As far as Klein he even admitted that Jay offered to take a gun charge for him when they got pulled over. How many kingpins do you know that have hand to hand guys ride with them and then don’t let them take the charge? Their ties were close. Klein’s problem was he wanted to still be big homie when he got out. He was told lets get the paperwork right so the feds won’t go crazy. Look at E they got his paperwork signed off on by a judge when he got out saying he would be and “assistant” Klein wanted to be a VP out the gate.

      • ZUBU

        I heard Klein say in a video clip I googled that when he came home that Jay was like don’t worry I got you, then he said never really got back to him on that. He said after a while he had to go through Ty Ty to even communicate with Jay. But if Klein stepped out wanting to be a VP out the gate that is asking a lot.
        If Jay was gonna take a gun charge for him, I have to respect that on Jay’s part as well as Klein declining the offer.
        Jay def took care of Emory when he got home. As you stated an assistant position making 50k. I read the letter Jay wrotethe judge. I also heard Jay bought him a nice crib and a nice whip. And you know Jay prolly hit with more paper on the low. Now if Klein pressuring for more than that and Jay wasn’t feeling it then I would side with Jay.
        On the Alpo/Dame/Jay stuff I don’t know all the details but folks was mad at Dame for throwing a welcome home party for Alpo, cause people think Alpo snitched (??). Ima try to peep and learn. Peace bro you hit me with info I didn’t know!

      • Slick Blak

        You are right! I’m from St.Thomas aka The ROCK and the local drug Kingpin was Rudy Clarke. Jay used Mansion and and speed boat most of the shots were of the Water Front area in town.

      • ZUBU

        Word, after reading the portion of the article I pasted about the mansion, sppedboat kingpin , etc. I went back and watched that video. The property they were shooting at was very upscale!

      • TheOnlyCoop

        They were all putting up money you forget about Emory. Jay knew about the industry snakes because Jay saw how Jaz got screwed when he went overseas with him. Dame even admitted their marketing plan was Jay’s . It’s well known that Dame had nothing to do with Jay-z albums after Hard Knock. Part of the issue with Jay and Dame started with Dame firing people Jay wanted around, Jay ended up hiring those people directly. The Roc Nation deal is Jay having Live Nation put up all the cash for him to build his baby. When that deal is over Jay is still in control and it’s only a 360 deal for other people on the label.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        One quick question. If you’re right why didn’t Nas or someone else take off after Big and Pac died?

      • Brindle

        Nas was the only one to make it while Pac and Big where living and could’ve took off if Jay hadn’t stepped up after big and pac died…

      • TheOnlyCoop

        So why didn’t he? If Jay didn’t do anything that special it should have been easy for Nas.

      • ZUBU

        Nas was into the art form from a true angle, I think its what he truly wanted to do was make good music. Whereas Jay and the Roc it was all about money. Not to mention when some of this was going on I think Nas was losing his mom, when you losing someone you love money is the last thing on your mind. After Nas got over losing his mom or at least able to handle the loss he came back like a beast and Ethered The Camel. The rest is history.
        Nas is like hip hops version of R&B Sade or Prince. They put out music when and if they want. They do it for the love.

      • Mec-One

        WTF?! Nas moms passed in 2002 …. your facts are backwards

      • ZUBU

        “On the drama with Jay-Z–Nas’ mother was diagnosed with breast cancer so he had one foot in the industry and one foot out. Jay-Z took advantage of folks going in on Nas and saying that he was done, which led Jay to dropping the diss track “The Takeover.” When Nas responded extra hard on “Ether,” he was back on top and dropped his next hit album, Stillmatic.”

        Brotha I told you all of this happened around the same time. When Nas came back he Ethered Jay. One song on the album Nas talks about niggas talking shit about him, thinking he was soft ie.. Jay. He talks about Wifey wanted to run the streets ie… Carmen. All while he was dealing with his moms death. Bro not to boast but I got all of Jay’s and Nas’ albums store bought. So no my brotha my facts are not backward. I just googled when did his mom died and came up with these facts. You were correct about his mom passing in 2002. Peace……

      • Mec-One

        That whole “Jay couldn’t take off ’till Big and Pac died” talk you’re doing is a reach …… Jay dropped RD June of ’96 … Pac died in Sept.! B.I.G. died 6 months later …… Pac didn’t even “take off” when his first album dropped!

  • CCB4life

    Gotta Respect That brother.

  • Black Jay

    Once again…. d*ckriding….. Damn Dame! Let it go! He’s gone baby…. Take this napkin and dry your tears….. You’ll be okay….. It’s better to have loved and lost than to not have loved at all……

    I’m being over the top but for real…. Quit it Dame… You’re playing yourself.

    • Brindle

      Is he playing himself, or answering a question that someone asked? People usually aint as emotional as we’d like them to be for our entertainment.

      • Black Jay

        “No Comment”. That one phrase stops all questions and speculation about Jay Z. Just google Dame’s name. Look at how many times he mentions Jay Z. Now do the same thing with Jay Z. How many times does Jay Z mention him? Get the answer to that and tell me I’m exaggerating….

      • Brindle

        Jay got a baby and Beyonce, aint no one asking him about Dame… Dame could win the lottery and marry Oprah, they still gonna ask him about Jay.

      • Black Jay

        Hence the phrase “NO COMMENT.” That would kill it all. But Dame wants to talk about it. He’s acting like a jaded b*tch.

      • Mec-One

        Like how suge knight always talking bout pac and deathrow …… let it go dude ……

      • Black Jay

        Damn…. I forgot about that one. You right…. Suge was one of those moguls that got his priorities mixed up and talked about it forever. Roll up on Suge right now and I’ll bet you he still will be crying.

      • Truth Powell

        The Dame situation makes Jay look bad so why would Jay wanna speak on that? His publicist and image consultant wouldn’t allow for him to

      • Black Jay

        Dude you sound like you got Downs Syndrome. How is that even remotely possible? Jay is winning on every front. Fat ass wife, Cano moves, touring, cigar ventures….. Sound bad? The only “L” Jay took was Nas whipping that ass. Otherwise, he stay winning. It ain’t about doing Dame wrong or the public thinking he did Dame so dirty. It’s simpler than that, WHO IN THE HELL WANTS TO TALK ABOUT A F*CKING LOSER?

        Dame is crying on every interview.

      • Truth Powell

        :sigh:

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  • William Witherz

    Make another Hov.

  • jacksjus

    This is one of the few celebrities that fell from grace, that I have zero sympathy for. Dude was a major asshole when he was on top.

    • Black Jay

      cosign!

    • Immortal

      I can dig it, but he made am “empire” and when it was convenient for others, they left him out to pasture. He was a nessicary asshole, same as Eazy E, Master P, and any head of a good business. But it is time that people stop asking about stuff that happened years ago, and ask him what plans does he have for the future. Rehashing yesterday with him is old.

      • Sy

        He was a RECORD EXECUTIVE, not a businessman. He saw talent, and snatched it up; same as Jermaine Dupree, Suge, and even Michael Bivens. You want to see people that understand business, watch Shark Tank. If you wanna see glorified A&R executives, watch the people I just mentioned. Many of these so-called businessman are just a recognizable face that the REAL businessman use to sell their products. Barry Gordy built his business from scratch, and handled every aspect of it. Teaming up with a company that sells Vodka doesn’t make you a businessman. Scouting talent, putting artist with producers, taking the recordings and handing them over to the parent company (those who handle the pressing, distribution, marketing, etc), makes you more of a talent scout. I respect some of the glorified A&R, but true business minded people can switch in and out of different businesses and still be successful because they understand numbers…mathematics………..you never even hear a rumor about a real businessman going broke, their stocks may suffer, but that about it. These cats remaining in the same entertainment realm, i.e. clothes, records, alcohol, etc.

  • TimeWillTellu1

    Does Dame have a dime?

    • ZUBU

      He still got paper, he still has a few different business ventures jumping off. Also he and his ex wife still own a clothing line together. He still getting some royalities from the old albums. Wealthy people stash money away all the time instead of paying some of their debt. Hell Donald Trump has done it several times where he came in gutted companies had creditors, etc. Trump hid a lot of his personal wealth, so they sue the company not his personal fortune. I think Suge Knight has done the same thing hid his money and pretended the company was broke. He was sued and forced to sell the label, but Suge had already gutted the company and pretended he was broke. Suge still living the lifestyle new cars, trucks, always smoking an expensive cigar. Always at all the events, etc.

      • Immortal

        Cosign. Many aren’t going to know the name, but Boyd Coddington was another who knew when the end was coming for his company and gutted it taking the money with him. And although he’s passed, his wife is FAR from broke, and she’s still making a killing off the re runs of his show.

      • Expensive cars does not equal god business.
        Especially cars are an indicator that a person
        has no clue. Cars are amongst the 10 worst
        investments you can ever make. Along with
        buying luxury goods and Champagne.

      • ZUBU

        Not talking about cars bro moreso off shore accounts, shell companies in someone elses name, etc. I concur cars unless they are vintage are not good investments. Bro maybe you just read my last sentence or two.

      • *good business

  • Guest

    At least he has Jim Jones… (joke)

  • jball8

    At least he has Jim Jones…. (joke)

  • beezy

    …so we have Damon Dash to blame for Camron. Lol.

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  • Sean Power

    dame dash word would mean so much more if ever interview he did did not lead back to jay z,

  • Super_Hero

    “Oh I get, you Biggie and he’s Puffy.”

    That line by Nas was the start of Rocafella’s ending. Jay wanted to be Puffy.

    • RapItUp

      It was actually the exact opposite.. Jay was supposed to be the Biggie (hence the multiple Big verse-biting references from Nas) and of course, Dame was Diddy. Keep up man

      • Super_Hero

        WTF are you reading. This is what I said but Jay did not want to be Biggie. That line got under his skin. Jay did not want to be known as Robbin. He wanted to be Batman. He wanted to be the business man instead of the rapper under the business man. He wanted to sign checks like Puffy. No disrespect to Biggie but his boss was Puffy. Jay did not want that type of comparison.

      • RapItUp

        That’s what I asked myself at first, wtf am I reading?? I see what you meant now, but… I personally never looked at Dame as Jay’s boss.. I wasn’t aware people did either, perhaps owning RD masters had folks fooled. On top of all the “Biggies rhymes” references, from everywhere

  • Sean Taylor

    Jay got yall tricked into thinking he was a hustler. Nigga wasn’t no hustler. He didn’t even have $16K to shoot his video.

    • $18916246

      Stop Hating….I know, I know, He borrowed $16K from you and never paid you back. Business 101 Ya heard of investers..your not supposed to spend your own money if possible.

    • iamwhoiam

      And look at him now.

      • johnblacksad

        whoa!

      • iamwhoiam

        What?? Ijs, he’s accomplished alot in hiphop and in other business ventures. He’s got alot more than 16k now

    • Mec-One

      You’re really trying to make a point here aren’t you?! lol

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  • $18916246

    Why now Dame? Tell the “ENTIRE TRUTH” not just parts that the stan boys wanna hear.

  • Rufus Buck

    LMAO @ people saying Jay Z isn’t a businessman. He told you already that he is not a ‘Businessman’, he’s a BUSINESS man! Let him handle his business, damn.

  • i’mreloaded!

    Dame, you have to just let it go man. Jay ain’t thinkin bout it so why should you?

  • Shotgun_Packa

    He was smart keeping reasonable doubt. The label would have bellied up when jay’s side went with him. Remember the hit squad and def squad?? EPMD break up created that split. the only light weight relevant guy left from that break up is REDMAN.

    • iamwhoiam

      Jay still ended up with the rights to RD. How smart is Dame?

  • iamwhoiam

    I know if he could still make music money he would. He even tried to get a few artists onand couldn’t do it. Then he says Jay is too old for the music industry. I’m sure he has his own money but I see a little envy in every interview he does. If he could, he’d be right there with Jay Z.

    • $18916246

      If he could…..Best thing Jay ever did was to leave this leech alone…he betrayed Jay, he let Cam punk him…and so went the friendship then the business…It’s the ball or the sword…it’s brains over brawn…..Jay keeps the grass cut and keeps the snakes like Dame at bay.

      • iamwhoiam

        I don’t think he was a snake, just probably hard to do business with. Not open to compromise and holding up deals. He seemed kinda bullheaded. Seemed like JayZ was more laid back and Dame was loud and pushy. They were partners and Jay had to distance himself. In business like that everybody has to eat, it can’t always be 80/20

  • Shotgun_Packa

    Jay don’t own the reasonable doubt album. How smart are you? Do your research before trolling AHH comments.

    • ZUBU

      You’re right Dame kept the masters to reasonable doubt. Jay offered to give Dame the Roc name Jay just wanted the masters to RD Dame refused.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        They all own the R&D master. But Jay wanted complete ownership.

      • Mec-One

        Jay probably just waiting for that for sale sign to pop up

      • lola lovely la’shaun

        I am so glad to hear this. ….

    • TheOnlyCoop

      They own R&D together. Jay wanted full ownership. But he does own all of his other music.

    • $18916246

      True, Dame and Kareem own Jay’s debut album: “REASONABLE DOUBT”. An “ACE” these guys both hold but for how long? Kareem got knocked for the major weed hustle and Dame has taken to cryin to the press…I hope that’s paying the bills.

  • MADNEWYORKER914

    You nigggas kill me acting like you know these cats personally, and acting like you were around them when they were making all of these business decisions and having their disagreements!!! GTFOH

    • $18916246

      You act like the break-up wasn’t common sense….Dame’s a traitor. He betrayed a friend and business partner to please his bully (REMEMBER?)….Dame said it was ok for Cam to run wild, claim king, and dis Jay as he pleased. Jay shut Cam down and gave Dame the boot…that’s all ain’t no more to it….and quote: “To make a n*gga die bleeding is nothin/You make n*gga die breathin and ya sayin somethin..BEEOTCH!” JAY-Z

      • regal84

        In all fairness, Cam was the only other Roc artist to go Platinum….not Bleek, Amil, Peedi, Omillo, Young Gunz, none of em…the only ther artist really earning their keep was Cam…Jay had to feel some type of way about that…

  • Joedirt

    He told me it was just business. He said that it was business. ‘I want to look like a businessman, and I can’t be a businessman around you. What is obvious is this move was one Jay’s strongest biz moves. Nobody wants to here how you feel when there’s cash to get.. The bitch in you will always stop you from getting the rewards that you probably deserve. Dame thought he was a Gangster Puff and got fired..

    • Mec-One

      Word, they might have been cool …. but they actually met on some “let’s do business together” moment

  • Jonathan Cephas

    Everything in a nutshell..
    I heard motherfuckers saying they made Hov
    Made Hov say, “Ok so, make another Hov”
    Niggas wasn’t playing they day role
    So we parted ways like Ben and J-Lo
    I shoulda been did it but I been in a daze though
    I put friends over business end of the day though
    But when friends, business interests they go
    Ain’t nothing left to say though
    I guess we forgot what we came fo’
    Shoulda stayed in food and beverage
    Too much flossing
    Too much Sam Rothstein
    I ain’t a bitch but I gotta divorce them
    Hov had to get the shallow shit up off him
    And I ain’t even want to be famous
    Niggas is brainless to unnecessarily go through these changes
    And I ain’t even know how it came to this
    Except that fame is
    The worst drug known to man
    It’s stronger than, heroin
    When you could look in the mirror like, “There I am”
    And still not see, what you’ve become
    I know I’m guilty of it too but, not like them
    You lost one

  • Edonus

    Dame was a major part of a lot of success and he did it hard. Not kissing ass and selling dudes out. I’m sure he was an ass hat here and there but he deserved to be put out with a little more style. He won some major wars for the the Roc. Jay could have let him keep his image intact just on some gangster stuff.

    • TheOnlyCoop

      Dame did it to himself no one had to harm his image. Some of the same people that Dame has been yelling at in Videos are now major executives. Or just listen to the interview of Dame and Just Blaze on the Combat Jack show.

      • Edonus

        I know he was a jerk but his jerkiness is what led to to heavy success for those around him. I would equate it to if you were in a war and you had a commander that was straight psycho with a serious blood lust…… pretty much certifiable nuts. But he saved the lives of people in the platoon numerous times and devised tactics and strategies that you can easily see helped win the war.

        When the war is over don’t slap a label on him and try him for war crimes for being to brutal. Let him have some of that glory. You can distance yourself away from him and let him self destruct but honor his actions.

        I just dont feel Dames actions have bee properly honored.

      • TheOnlyCoop

        But if that solider shoots himself in the foot and also gets out of line with other soldiers you can’t always protect him.

  • D_Ably

    Jiggas greasy. None of this is suprising. Read what Simmons said.

    • $18916246

      People are motivated by fear and un-naturally have a cowards respect for people who play the tough guy, fearing they may be the tough guys next victim. Life is chess not checkers. Truth is people don’t respect black male intelligence or the ability to think for ones self. Nobody believed Jay was a power figure amongst the 3 Dame/Jay/Kareem. Most perceived Jay as the typical loud mouth bragging MC. The split informed and shocked many nay sayers as Jay had what it took to rise to prominence in the music business. For this JAY-Z is an anomaly as no recording artist entertainer is supposed to be in charge according to music business traditions. Many before have been upset and killed attempting to gain control of the business side of their music careers. (Look up Sam Cooke’s music career). As it has been mentioned here in this blog below Dame was music executive with Cam pulling his strings behind the scenes and it was this type of street hustle approach that ultimately ended Dame’s reign. Dame’s a business broker not a true business power figure. A man driven by ulterior motives a tough guys gofer.

  • lola lovely la’shaun

    Without Damon, there would have been no Jay-Z or Kanye or Cam’ron and no Roc-A-Fella. What he did for Jay and everyone, he was selfless. He took the bullets.<<<<<<
    That how I feel….but.

  • An asshole on the level of Dame Dash can make many things happen in the music game…he was definitely a huge asset to Jay busting down doors. Only problem is Jay figured out that once those doors were open he didn’t need that asshole anymore. His job was done with him…and in the process he wore out his own welcome making it damn near impossible for him to “Make another Hov”

    • Mec-One

      Being an asshole is not the key to opening doors and making things happen. It’s a guarantee of burnt bridges. Dash was confident & he also knew that success comes from preparation, work, & pretty much luck ……. Their first meeting with Def Jam didn’t work out but they lucked up and got a deal with Priority …. They grinded for 2 yrs before this all happened. Dash wasn’t an asshole right out the gate, more of a low key guy until the money started flowing in ….
      There’s no making of another Hov but a better Dash ….

      • you’re right. its not the key but just the essence of an asshole is that they usually bargain good and or extremely loyal to their side and believe fully in their product or artist. they say a closed mouth doesn’t get fed so him constantly talking and pushing his brand and artist helped a lot in the beginning.

  • Elayorx El

    Real talk, I’m not sure how smart doing business with friends in this day, and age is. The fact that someone’s “personal” feelings will always be involved, it can be argued that business will always be personal. I mean, the actual model of modern day business is kind of psychotic, to say the least, with the attempt at extracting personal feelings out of the equation. This works for some, but not most, which is why I think “business” overall, is viewed as shady. This split was nothing short of a Novella, and we can speculate all day, but what will always be constant in life, are “personal feelings”, that change.

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  • baller187

    i would be pissed as hell 2, cuz your reminded everyday how JAY Z is rich and your broke after all that. Jay could afford to throw u a couple mill u thinkin just to be cool, but jay is against giving out cash any cash he stated it

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