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50 Cent’s Ultimate Challenge: How To Market Beanie Sigel (Part 1)

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:00 AM | 65 comments
By Cedric Muhammad
 The views expressed inside this editorial aren't necessarily the views of AllHipHop.com or its employees.




It’s the second biggest move in the history of Hip-Hop free agency, surpassed only by Tupac’s signing with Death Row Records in October of 1995.


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It’s the best affiliation since Lex Luger became an Associate Member of pro wrestling’s most elite unit - the Four Horsemen (Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard, Ole and Arn Anderson) - in the Winter of 1987.


50 Cent, as the new Suge Knight and second James J. Dillon, now faces his ultimate challenge - how to properly market Beanie Sigel, a task that Roc-A-Fella Records failed to perform.

I know, because in September 2002 I was involved in a dialogue with Roc-A-Fella’s marketing department about how to better position all of the artists on the label, aside from Jay-Z. The strategy was sophisticated but revolved around coordinating an ‘outside the industry,’ strategy with the standard record promotion.


The plan I laid out was the re-positioning Cam’ron and Beanie Sigel, not just as ‘hustlers’ and ‘gangsters,’ but as real power brokers and true ‘bosses’ in the communities from which they came – Harlem and Philly, respectively. What we discussed was revolutionary and would have built upon the street credibility of the artists and converted that form of power into others – in the business sector and political arena. They would have been true shot-callers with their neighborhoods as home base from which they would make power moves, generate positive media coverage, and break into new market segments as artists. The plan would have made them bigger and broadened their appeal beyond their current fan base.


Roc-A-Fella loved the specifics of what I outlined. Cam’ron’s manager wanted to move forward with the strategy and all that remained was for a meeting to be arranged to finalize details. Then, we agreed, we would immediately apply the model to Beanie Sigel.



Then, came the surprising news, confirming for me what I had only heard as rumors regarding how decisions were made at Roc-A- Fella Records.


I was informed that Jay-Z’s brilliant business manager, John Meneilly, who was a key decision-maker at the label (a fact that many don’t realize) put the initiative on ice because it would somehow distract or interfere with Jay-Z’s efforts to position himself more positively in community affairs. I was told by Roc-A-Fella that John Meneilly felt that what I proposed was essentially the same thing that was already in motion around Jay-Z’s efforts to do things in the borough of Brooklyn, timed perfectly with the release of Blueprint II.


I was told that all of this would be the subject of an upcoming 60 Minutes feature on Jay-Z. My Roc-A-Fella contact told me that after Jay-Z had the chance to establish himself in this new light, the label would look to incorporate my strategic advice.


I was disappointed a bit, not understanding why what was good for Jay-Z wasn’t good for his labelmates, but I was also excited to know that someone as influential as Jay-Z was moving in this direction. I started thinking of ways to support his efforts.



The 60 Minutes special came, Blueprint II dropped. and Jay-Z did get credit for a few good works. But the effort was heavily top-down (corporate –driven) nothing at all like what I proposed for Beanie Sigel and Cam’ron which would have had them building power and positioning themselves from the streets-up.


I’m sure 60 Minutes did not represent all that Jay-Z was trying to do but I got no indication that Roc-A-Fella pushed back or was disappointed in the feature that really was more of a biography piece designed to further mainstream Jay-Z or make him less threatening.


It was a good look for Jay in that respect, but nothing that could benefit Beanie Sigel or Cam’ron, I thought.


Being ‘positive’ and ‘giving back’ through donations, foundations, corporate partners and appearances is nice but not the same as developing an artist’s street, political, and business leadership profile outside of the industry, in ways that connect them to everyday people and help them sell more records.


What Sigel needed was more power positioning not just good cause marketing.



I truly think Jay-Z qualifies as a Hip-Hoppreneur™ of the highest caliber (and by the way, I’m even considering that he has now, in my mind, maybe replaced KRS-One as the greatest rapper of all-time), but his approach to building power is dependent upon his advancing through elite social and business circles, which generate deal flow and high profile opportunities, but which also by nature, demand less risk-taking, and more conservative and non-threatening decision-making.


It’s a sound strategy, but only one that he and a handful of mega-stars can pull off. The benefits of what he generates have opened many doors for Roc-A-Fella artists (and I do believe Jay-Z’s heart’s desire was to help all of his artists enjoy success) but it did not develop them according to their own natural strengths. They were not on the elite social level that he was, and did not have the same quality team infrastructure he did (business managers, agents, lawyers, publicists) therefore, they could not take advantage of what he made possible for them. And I’m sure that Jay is right when he says many of his artists shot themselves in the foot and expected him to carry them.


But that expectation occurs sometimes when someone has to operate in the shadows of another. A dependency is created, although not intentional. I believe the way Roc-A-Fella marketed their other artists made them Jay-Z dependent.


Whether intentional or not, I believe the label signed artists that served to provide a contrast to Jay-Z and protect his image from becoming too distant from the streets. Therefore, any effort to strategically position Roc-A-Fella’s street-oriented artists in ways that would have moved them outside of the first level category of Jay-Z’s creative protégés, or team members, and into the category of real community leaders with juice from the block to the boardroom, making moves on their own, was not seen in his best interests as an artist, or brand.


Remember to pull off the mainstream success that Jay-Z enjoys you have to become increasingly less threatening, radical, and risk-taking. I believe John Meneilly has been most influential in directing Jay’s career in this manner.


I have no knowledge that Jay-Z was even aware of the discussions that I was having with the label, so I can’t blame him in anyway for not executing the plan on behalf of Beanie Sigel and Cam’ron. But clearly his handlers and team infrastructure were on the eye for any internal competition that would ‘steal’ attention from him. In that sense what was in the best interest of Roc-A-Fella artists (whom Jay-Z publicly called his ‘earners’) was not seen as in his best interests, I think.



A music industry friend of mine sent me an email recently expressing the following:


“Looking at what the sputtering Def Jam did under Jay’s presidency shows he can’t help make certain kinds of artists better. Jay-Z is Michael Jordan with the Washington Wizards, he’s Prince with any other talent he’s ever had, he’s Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis trying to run a record label. Some people can’t function outside of their comfort zone and blowing an artist up makes Jay uncomfortable because he does not want to end his own career by accident.”


I’m just not sure, but the evidence does seem to be there.


My proposal to strategically re-position Roc-A- Fella artists as street credible figures turned community leaders and power brokers stalled. I had little contact with the label until the Summer of 2003, only after the drama and bad publicity caused by Beanie Sigel’s arrest for attempted murder and the criminal justice issues of other members of his crew were dominating Philadelphia and music industry headlines.


At the lowest point, when Sigel was sentenced to jail time, I received a call from my contact in the marketing department of Roc-A-Fella who told me, “Cedric, I wish we had taken your advice. It would have really helped Sigel and my Philly guys.”


While others saw Beanie Sigel’s jail time as another great moment in Hip-Hop’s tradition of ‘keep it realism,’ I was saddened.


How great of an artist and a leader this man can become, I thought to myself.


****


Jay-Z knew what he had in Beanie Sigel – saying years ago that Sigel would eventually go down in the category of a Tupac or Scarface. While he gave tremendous support to the artist, his label’s business model, marketing strategy and the politics that surround his deserved position as Roc-A-Fella’s cornerstone and top biller prevented him from fulfilling his vision for Sigel. And again, I don’t believe Sigel necessarily had the team infrastructure of advisers to pull it off anyway.


So, he could only do his part - making records that would one day give him that legendary status Jay-Z predicted of him.


By my count, for over 6 years, Sigel’s career has needed to take a new direction.


Now, in 2009 it has that chance.



Enter 50 Cent, the man whom I write in my book The Entrepreneurial Secret (http://www.theEsecret.com/) is the example of entrepreneurship by necessity.


Many will argue – but in my mind Beanie Sigel has the potential to become the most introspective (the ability to look inside one’s self and express one’s own thoughts and feelings) rapper in the history of Hip-Hop. I have never heard a rapper more aware, honest, comfortable and clear in expressing the personal knowledge of self and how that affects their ability (or inability) to influence their environment. Anyone who has heard ‘Dear Self’ (Can I Talk To You?), ‘What Your Life Like,’ ‘Prayer,’ Got Nowhere,’ ‘Remember Them Days,’ and ‘Mom Pray,’ knows his ability to weave in wisdom, inspiration, and emotional intensity with a honest picture of his imperfections and shortcomings. His worldview is not just street or ‘gangster,’ its spiritual and philosophical, laced with strategic vision.


I have said that Jay-Z is the classic journalist in Hip-Hop and Nas is the classic novelist. In Sigel, you have an autobiographer (different from the story-telling ability of Scarface, Ice Cube, and Slick Rick, for example). Only Tupac can compare in this area (Styles P. of The Lox and Ghostface Killah deserve honorable mention too) among ‘mainstream’ artists. But what Sigel has that they lack is the ability to weave it together with spirituality and a greater grasp of wisdom and philosophy. While others quote the scriptures, sages, and certain Teachings, I don’t get the impression they are fully comfortable or have a handle on what they are saying and how it relates to their personality (RZA of Wu-Tang Clan would be the only exception).


So 10 years after signing with Roc-A-Fella, in his new association with 50 Cent, Sigel has what he has always needed to evolve him into the legendary all-time great artist that Jay-Z recognized, but could not position properly in the marketplace.


In 50 Cent, Beanie Sigel has found an unusually self-aware artist and business strategist who is creatively fearless (‘How To Rob’ is the most entrepreneurial and risky record in the history of Hip-Hop). In Beanie Sigel, 50 has the most talented artist he has ever had the chance to work with.



They both have similar personalities. They appreciate the principle of subordination (waiting your turn and understanding that helping another person look bigger than you makes you bigger. I write about it in The Entrepreneurial Secret). On paper, they have much more potential synergy and better chemistry than Jay-Z and Beanie Sigel.


My industry friend emailed, “Being around 50 should allow him more creative freedom. Beans said he took the initiative and brought many things to the Roc table, but wasn’t well rewarded for doing so. 50 has been begging his artists to be this way. He’s tired of ‘being the smartest guy in the room’ so to speak. At this stage in his life (later for his career) 50 needs to prove his brand is relevant and can sustain itself. Beans’ personality is compatible with 50’s philosophies. Whereas Jay-Z wanted a right hand man or distant number two, 50 has a different concept of how his organization should work. He prides himself on his operation being autonomous. He wants to build something, while Jay-Z wants to be a star. Jay-Z spends a great deal of his time promoting Jay-Z.”


The key to marketing Beanie Sigel is the creative process by which his new album will be made, and whether or not 50 Cent can execute an unusual way of positioning him in the public.


Otherwise, all this will amount to is short-term publicity for both artists, and a great set up for 50’s new album, including a manufactured ‘beef’ with Jay-Z.


But nothing long-term for Beanie Sigel.


To do more with Sigel than Jay-Z did, 50 will have to do more than just position him as a ‘shooter’ or a street legend. That’s too easy.


Beanie Sigel is an absolute goldmine, if marketed right – an unusual talent who requires and deserves unusual marketing


I’ll explain how it could be done.


50 Cent and Beanie Sigel. Just another sign that we are moving into a new era…one only built for Hip-Hoppreneurs ™


Next Week: The Specifics Of How To Market Beanie Sigel


Cedric Muhammad is a business consultant, political strategist and monetary economist. He is a former General Manager of Wu Tang Management and the author of The Entrepreneurial Secret: Starting A Business Without A Bank Loan, Collateral or Revenue (http://www.theEsecret.com/). His weekly talk show can be heard each Wednesday from 12 to 5 PM (est) at Cedricmuhammad.com. Cedric can be contacted by email at cedric(at)cmcap.com


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TYBO2020 said:



..GET OUTTA HERE WITH THAT MONKEY SHHIT..LOL..REPLACED KRS-ONE AS THE GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL-TIME??!!..TO ME KRS WAS NEVER A GREAT RAPPER (ONE THAT DOES HIS ART FOR PUBLIC APPROVAL AND MONEY..MY DEFINITION)..KRS IS THE GREATEST MC/MESSAGER..PERIOD..GREATEST RAPPER...YEAH JAY MAY BE THAT TO SOME..BUT WOULD THAT BE SAID IF NOT FOR HIS FINANCIAL GAINS..THE MAN IS NICE WITH WORDS AND STACKIN' PAPER..BUT WHAT AWARENESS HAS HE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE??..DRUG TALES?? OR I CAN GET RICH AND DROP OFF ALMOST EVERYONE THAT HELPED MY RISE??!! TO EACH HIS OWN..JUST MY OPINION..PEACE BE ON TO THE BOARD, STAFF AND LURKERS..

P.S. HE IS IN MY TOP TEN OR FIVE DEPENDING ON MY MOOD
November 17, 2009 10:53 AM
 

Musashi said:

Beans will never be pop but if he can get back to where he was with the Roc he'll be aight.

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November 17, 2009 10:53 AM
 

Outlaw76 said:

Good piece.

2 points

1. "I was informed that Jay-Z’s brilliant business manager, John Meneilly, who was a key decision-maker at the label (a fact that many don’t realize) put the initiative on ice because it would somehow distract or interfere with Jay-Z’s efforts to position himself more positively in community affairs"

2. " the feature that really was more of a biography piece designed to further mainstream Jay-Z or make him less threatening."

Heard this stuff before somewhere.




Wel...l "What More Can I Say"

November 17, 2009 10:54 AM
 

dakiddmoebee said:

I agree with this article...I always wondered why Beanie wasn't promoted right....It seemed that after his first album, he didn't get the proper push to create his own brand...True he had State Property but he never had a team behind him like Jay did....Having a team of MC's is one thing having a good business manager, publicist, Lawyer etc. Would have placed Beans in whole different arena. Lets just hope the same thing that happened to MOB Deep and M.O.P. doesn't happen to the Broad Street Bully. Philly stand Up.  
November 17, 2009 10:57 AM
 

TYBO2020 said:

*MESSENGER*

..AS FAR AS FIF MARKETING BEANS PROPERLY...IT CAN BE DONE..TIME WILL TELL..IT IS ABOUT TIMING AND MATERIAL..
GOOD ARTICLE BY THE WAY MR. MUHAMMAD..
November 17, 2009 10:58 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

The Music will speak for itself, all this marketing stuff really don't matter, if the music ain't good. Jay-Z do seem to have "The Powers That Be" behind him. Every since Reasonable Doubt dropped, his albums has gotten more commercialized and watered down, starting with Life and Times of S. Carter Vol 1, but Jay is a very deep introspective type of MC, he can mix the 2 elements well. Jay really mastered that Biggie formula though, Make commercial and street songs, just balance the 2 well, But Jay went all the commercial as of late though. Also Biggie made more songs for Ladies, than Jay do though.
November 17, 2009 11:03 AM
 

JACKIEMACC said:

by the responses I didn't even read all of this - funny.
November 17, 2009 11:05 AM
 

liquidswords95 said:

Why did ya'll take it down, then put it back up for Allhiphop?
November 18, 2009 12:11 AM
 

Done_reading_BS said:

@ Liquidswords95

They know what they doin lol.....

and

Shout out to the Allhiphop big brother...

hook me up with a position to write a couple of columns and editorials...
Let me speak for the people....

From an unbias perspective...

My circum vitae is on point.....
November 18, 2009 12:25 AM
 

myspace.com/itsjohnp said:

Man..y wasn't Beans promoted better? Why didn't beans blow like JAy did...lol Every artist in the game that didn't blow to there full potential has a story just like BEANS, but since beans was ROCAFELLA, we get a full Article about it...Why didn't RAs kass blow? What about yung dro? Lil scrappy...lol Niccas get on a label and look for people to blow them up while the people who BLOW up get there OWN label and grind to do it...I got all beans albums but C'MON SON...between u goin to jail, getting caught up in nickle and dime bulls**t, and blaming everyone else, u need to look at yourself...If you run wit wolves and never learn to hunt then don't get mad when u look up and theres nothing left to eat..
November 18, 2009 12:27 AM
 

myspace.com/itsjohnp said:

that last line i said was a gem...don't be stealin my shh either...lol
November 18, 2009 12:28 AM
 

AirMcNair said:

If it could work this is the best chance for it to work.  50 has never had an artist like Beans, Banks has all the talent in the world but he has always been to willing to play the background, Beans wants the spotlight.
November 18, 2009 12:28 AM
 

Hoeyuno said:

Beans is dope and I think fif is already doing a good job bringing him to his fan base. So I guess spider loc and hot rod will never get a album out under g unit eh??????????
November 18, 2009 12:42 AM
 

da bul Reef said:

YOU CANT MARKET BEANS, DAT n***a HAD HIS RUN, HAD HIS CHANCE, HE FUCKN BLEW IT FOR HIM AND ALL OF STATE PROPERTY!!! HE'S A FUCKN BUM!!!
November 18, 2009 12:48 AM
 

kash10 said:

50 needs 2 sit that bum ass n***a sigel out by a trash can....he was nice....that new s**tis garbage...fif keep tryin dig these rappers up outta the grave yard...its ova...mobb deep, m.o.p, mase and now this bum ass n***a...lets get real now 50...its a super wrap
November 18, 2009 1:05 AM
 

TheWave19 said:

Jay wants to be the.... star??

He wants to... promote... Jay-Z?

Jay is.... self centered...? Oh really

Never knew that
November 18, 2009 1:11 AM
 

CUTMAN said:

First Fif took MOP , now Beanz , and what happened to Freeway???? 50 killing Roc a fella a lil bya lil , Beanz is another tool for 50 to piss Jay off.
November 18, 2009 1:31 AM
 

NYG523 said:

i really don't see 50 pullin it off with beans. maybe back when he tried the first time but we all kno what Mr. Knowles did.

November 18, 2009 1:39 AM
 

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November 18, 2009 1:51 AM
 

junclassic said:

Interesting Read.

Thought the specifics would be there in part 1.

Good way to get em lookin into the book Mr. Muhammed.

Best way to market Sigel is to let Sigel do Sigel.

50 just gotta play Custamato to Sigel's Tyson.

Thats it.

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November 18, 2009 1:55 AM
 

HotCharlotte said:

IDK. Beans is iight but its gone take alot of marketing skills, Beans old school.
November 18, 2009 1:59 AM
 

Fifth Child said:

Look man, i thought this article was excellent. However, 1. I am a huge fan of Beans but a much bigger Jay fan. 2. YOU WILL NOT SELL RECORDS IF YOU CANNOT PICK BEATS AND MAKE SONGS FOR RADIO!!!!!! Why is this so hard to understand? I love hardcore hip hop just as much as anyone, but I also understand that when you take that route you take everything that comes along with it. Beans doesn't make girl songs and that's fine. But just know that YOU WILL NOT GO PLATINUM TODAY WITHOUT A HOT GIRL SONG. Period. Its either gotta be a hot girl song or you have to be Eminem. Point blank.
November 18, 2009 2:10 AM
 

KING JOFFY JO said:

LOL @ILLSEED

U PUT IT BACK UP....
November 18, 2009 2:20 AM
 

PlayDirty said:

"Compared to Beans you're wack!!" Nas, Ether...

This summarizes why Beanie's career never took off. "Never outshine the master". I've seen Beanie qoute "48 Laws Of Power" why did he forget.

People gotta grow up ultimately. In South AFrican politics the same s**tis happening. It's very interesting to compare.

Anyways, I logged in to comment some times though a lot of stuff here is infatile.

Brian Tha Playmaka Khoza
November 18, 2009 2:44 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Unidentified said:

1.) 50'S ALBUM HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK 5+ TIMES SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE

2.) BESIDES 50 NO OTHER ARTIST ON G-UNIT RECORDS HAS PUT OUT A RETAIL (NON-MIXTAPE) ALBUM SINCE 2006


3.)WHAT IN THE FU_CK MAKE YOU THINK HE FINNA DROP A BEANIE SIGEL ALBUM OVER HIS OWN ARTIST OR HIMSELF??????????????????

November 18, 2009 3:10 AM
 

Mr.Heavy214 said:

the article was good but have some issues with it . The whole rocafella era was great but what happen in my opinion they had too many acts out at the same time to get the same limelight..Beans put himself in jail i think twice each time when he close to getting that mainstream respect.. but Kanye made himself a brand so it can be done , even the dipset kinda close to set themselves up before the collaspe... 50 can't promote anyone who have the potential to be hotter than himself i.e the game and young buck both artist was very close to represent the region with no problem then 50 found a reason to kick them out of unit...Good luck to Beans , him and jay need to squash this nonsense get back to making good music.. the whole roc need to get back together for one last run ... but that is wishful thinking
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While Jay is one hell of a rapper, he can be self-centered as an executive. I love his music but outside of the booth, I don't think he did all he could do for his artists. That's not  to say he hasn't done anything, but with certifiable rappers like Sigel, he could have probably helped him avoid the pitfalls of being a street dude. At the same time though, the artists in Jay's Rocafella camp constantly stayed in trouble. In Hip-Hop, that behavior is rewarded to a certain extent, (wrongly in my eyes) to market Sigel on the level that I think the author is talking about, that behavior is frowned upon unless you're already a mega-star. And 50 has made himself tons of cash, he's only concerned with becoming Jay-Z.

Didn't 50 have a very marketable artist in Game, and simply dissed him because Game wanted to be free and record with artists that 50 didn't like? Then tried in vain to make sure that Game's next record didn't sell any copies. When 50 dissed Jadakiss and Fat Joe for doing a song with Ja Rule didn't he try to stop Styles' album from dropping? I mean, the entire Lox crew was going at Jay-Z at one point, and Sigel even went to bat for Jay, but yet Sigel still ended up making records with them, and Jay-Z never said anything about that. No one from Rocafella, at least publically was like, Sigel is messing up because he's doing songs with them. So to sit here and act like 50 allows his "artists" to do their own thing is a falsehood, because he's very aware of what they're doing.
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"He prides himself on his operation being autonomous. He wants to build something, while Jay-Z wants to be a star. Jay-Z spends a great deal of his time promoting Jay-Z.” "

i have to disagree with you on this one.  50 wants G unit to be 50 cent and Gunit.  he doesnt want to have a big artist right next to him
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November 18, 2009 10:37 AM
 

IronHorse said:

good read, and I agree totally...from a "marketing" aspect...
BUT...
In all reality...sigels come back is up to the fans, and fans nowadays wouldnt know hot if they were sitting on the sun.
They have their own opinion but it matters TOO much for their own good...
Beans is everything you said he was...he's that nice...
He's that good..
BUT...
fans nowadays have this stupid need to d*ckride new guy with all the connections or the guy who sells alot of records...
They look over guys like beans on purpose...or they'll give his joint 30seconds then write him off...sometimes they got their mind made up to hate it, they say "you had your turn" like its fkn kickball or something...
these new age fans are soft...
its not all about girls & money with beans, he's too serious...
his beats are not gonna be sappy enough for the average fan...
if you dont "fit in" or sound familiar...
you lost...how they say it "FAIL!"...fk outta here...
Fans are the biggest problem.
Fans need to feel like their apart of something
Thats why people started fkn with the south, not just cause the music because it seemed like the new "thing"and nobody wanted to "miss out"...but its dance music and it works!
It does its job...no harm no foul...
problem is nobody RESPECTS the hip hop culture or rap music anymore...
everyday people are power starved so to be told to respect something makes them resent it more...
Nobody RESPECTS rappers/emcees/lyricist anymore...
Why respect skill when you have young whoever selling crazy ringtones got swag cars money girls etc etc etc...minus the real skill?
thats what makes people look at rap music like a hustle...
Thats like finding out you can be rich WITHOUT going to college...
Nobody treats hip hop like an artform anymore...
cause its mashed together with pop culture...and pop culture has ALWAYS been wreckless...now were wreckless...
Hip hop USED TO BE self governed..thats why you have guys like KRS who stand up for it to this day...
none of the unwritten rules in hip hop matter anymore...
Hip hop has become another american get rich quick 2 bit hustle...
and fans treat it as such...
and record lables do nothing but pour fuel where the fire is...like idiots..
"unusual marketing"...lol...that line is proof that NONE of this hip hop sh*t was intended to be "contained" or manufactured...
Not when its a natural gift...it SHOULD BE raw and uncut...
The industry is reactive... not proactive...
look at alicia keys for example...
they didnt know how to market her because she played instruments and wrote her own sh*t...like an r&b artist...
why wouldnt they know what to do with an ACTUAL r&b artist? because AT THAT TIME they couldnt fit her in the cookie cutter commercial r&b box...
in other words...
she wasnt like christina agularia (however u spell it) or britney spears or nobody else in r&b AND POP that was hot AT THAT TIME...
pop? really? should she be shoved into the pop catergory when she sings r&b music?
Same thing with beans or artist in general, its about money TOO MUCH...so much that actual artist have to emulate and use gimmicks to get by or get noticed...then the gimmick overshadows the talent...aka TMZ mediatakeout bossip etc etc etc...aka beans vs jay-z...
all beans needs to do is ignore the "fans" and get philly in an uproar then all the followers bloggers and d*ckriders will fk with it...thats what they do! Thats ALL they do! search out the new hot thing and get attached...
if philly is backing beans and he's got some joints that bang in the club, AND he got some southern features...he wins...
keeping "the south" happy is another biggie...
They dont play it down there if 1 of their own aint on it or it aint HUGE on its own in the clubs...them n***as is biased on another level down there...and thats only cause of the 24/7 party vibe...

ANYTHING, but trying to please top 40 radio or being under a corporate structure is what beans needs..and 50 is gonna provide that just like he's does with spider loc and 40 glocc mobb deep yayo and banks....all them n***as is good, and they drop nothing but mixtapes or are straight indie with it...
no chris brown, akon or t pain r&b records out the gate please...
no catering to women...yet...
do what he does, but bring philly with you, and spit like its your last chance on every record...
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November 18, 2009 11:43 AM
 

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I agree and I disagree with you...
yup, beans needed to grow up...I think he did...what I dont agree on is how quick you blamed it all on 50!
You make it sound like 50 talked beans into all this, like beans aint his own man and didnt have these feelings inside the whole time!
You do know the "go off" track is old right? beans made that WITHOUT 50, 50 added that hook...sh*t...jay wont do it...on ANY beans track good or bad...
Its a fine line between explotation & being honest in rap so its useless calling it out...aint no money on the table so whats to exploit? roc a fella wasnt all it seemed to be and beans is giving us the scoop on it end of story...let it be...
Game was marketable? aww c'mon...the history of how game fkd his own situation up AND ADMITTED IT is documented...dude got bitter after 50 wrote his biggest records to date... that he still performs....and how many times has he apologized?
and young buck messed his own money up and did that to himself, is that 50's fault too? yeah taping him was fkd up c'mon man...he was going around sayin fk g unit at that time already so I wouldnt have trusted him 100% either...
you bite the hand that feeds you...you get punished...I dont feel either way about it and you shouldnt either...
look at the FACTS...damn an opinion...cause its not that serious..


@maino22
At the end of the day, 50 is taking care of his n***as that been down since day 1...and neither 1 of them n***as is cut out to be a "superstar"...and they dont want to be so why would I force it on them? so fans can be happy? thats not 50's fault and that doesnt make sense in any form...
the problem is n***as cant wrap their head around how 50 moves...
and why would I FORCE my brand to drop commercial releases when the climate in the industry is gone indie and is digital/mixtape driven? and nobodys selling records? c'mon man...you cant get mad cause the dude is thinking outside the box and doesnt lose like the average joe thats something to admire...at some point, maybe not today...but at SOME POINT...you and guys who just "blame it on 50" will see what I mean...lol...

no beef fellas, just I had to disagree with the whole notion of just saying 50 did it, when we live in an age of video and audio and you can look the sh*t up...and go by facts...and STILL not like somebody...
November 18, 2009 12:00 PM
 

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good look...its just annoying reading all of these articles and opinions when the truth and the facts are undeniable...yet everyones is still confused about where we went wrong...
salute!
November 18, 2009 12:05 PM
 

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50 can't market him. Because what you were making him into WITH STATE PROP was a god.  You can't become a god or a star in the land of bravado if everyone know's your human.  So now he just look like a turncoat.  If 50 really wanted to market him.  He wouldn't have put him under his wing.  50 WOULD'VE MADE IT LOOK LIKE HE CAME OUT OF THE ASHES.  Now HE JUST 50'S LACKEY AND WITHOUT 50 CENT HE'S NOBODY.  That ain't hard.  What rocafella was in early 2000 was a crew of bosses.  Now we see that it was just a bunch of lames and followers even Jay Z ain't nothing real its all fake.  And that's why Jay Z cut ties with his old people like he did recently.  Its cause the trend is dead Kanye West style taken over.  So sure he dropped Death of Autotune.  But the rest of the album is the same  message that comes out in Auto Tune songs not the message that was in DOA.  I'm sure who ever is writing this article in some way about to come out with a book with 50 cent.  But it also shows that 50 cent is a lame trying girl tactics to bring people down instead of being a man and making it on his on.  All in all.


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n***as is so stupid.  all these worthless predictions are nonsense, no one will know how it'll turn out, let s**tflow n we'll find out if he'll be successful or not, what yall dumb ass mothafuckas is doin is just speculating based on your bulls**t minds that know nothing of hiphop and if it did you'ld be making some money out of it, yall some knuckleheads.

For me I hold my opinion about the Beanie Sigel issue considering n***a can spit fo sho, yet untill the issue evolves to being bold enough to make a judgement there's no use of making one.

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It added some info into the mentalities of the people. I never was convinced the Rockafella was anything more than to promote JayZ. He never even seemed 'gangsta' to me, especially since seeing his earliest efforts as an emcee- although fierce on a MIC. So I always saw the Dipset and State Property people as just props to say "hey I still have street cred".  Then again, that would be no different from the 50cent strategy too, except 50 doesn't seem so far removed from the hood. His people still stay in the streets with their stuff, and I don't think any of his artists have that commercial appeal anymore. Still, for the idiot who thinks good rap music is about pure record sales, you'll say "50's people haven't put out huge records", not realizing that rap music is NOT measured by that. Yes you need the money for the business stuff, but sales is NOT how the artist grows! So if 50 can do anything with Beanie's talent, then God bless him, but I'm not expecting super platinum. The top rap acts are formulaic and heavily corporate backed, you can't rate others by these two factors, and certainly can't rate a Beanie Seigel by EITHER.
I think what 50 hopes to do is SAVE RAP MUSIC, not just shine for yourself and say f**k everyone else- EHEMMMM *JAY Z*.  More blacks should support 50s efforts for keeping your favorite underground rockers alive.  They have no place in a Jay Z's world, and I don't like when we repeat, to our own, the corporate view of our shit!
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