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I’m Over 30 And I Hate Hip-Hop

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:45 PM | 138 comments
By Chuck “Jigsaw” Creeekmur

There is a change going on with the people that were raised on Hip-Hop during the Golden Era and the 1990's.


Has a generation that adored Hip-Hop like a newborn started to hate it like an invasive degenerate?


LL Cool J, Kevin Powell, Tha Hip-Hop Doc, Planet Asia and a lot of 30-somethings discuss these changes.


John Williams is hosting a festive gathering in his spacious home in the lower regions of Delaware – Middletown to be specific. On an unseasonably warm winter day, his closest friends and family surround him and they all celebrate the newborn twins that his lovely wife birthed late last year. With his doting wife, his children, his home and his career, all of which are in perfect order, John is happier than he’s ever been.


Despite all his joy, on this day, he finds one topic symbolically provides a brooding, grey cloud over the otherwise beautiful affair. Now, clocking in at 35 years old, John Williams and several of his friends cook a cornucopia of delicacies to share inside his home. He and his similarly aged friends of different races and walks of life weigh in on Hip-Hop, a culture they loved and grew up with, but now have grown to dislike.


“Rap was fun in the 80’s. Political in the 90’s and is mostly just plain vulgar these days. I believe that the culture in the United States is changing as we become more materialistic, sexually perverse and self absorbed,” John says later after the crowd disperses.


For CB, a retired battle rapper with a wife and two sons, rap is just wack now, he complains. An admitted East Coast partial fan, he says, “Nowadays, I cant even name 10 artists that I really like. Lets see,” he ponders. “Joell Ortiz, Joe Budden, Royce Da 5'9, Common, Lupe Fiasco, Kanye West, TI, Black Thought, Crooked I and that’s about it. I’m stuck at nine.”


Despite his admiration for a few, CB treats most current Hip-Hop music like dirty porno magazines in the 70’s. It stays hidden from his kids and wife.




“I have certain artists that I like that Idea will play alone in my car to and from work and such,” he admits. “I won’t watch any Hip-Hop videos around my sons [aged four and six] or listen to any Hip-Hop music around the house as I don’t really find anything that is suitable for their ears. Occasionally, a harmless song will come on a local radio station that I may let slide.”


In 2007, approximately 3.8 million Americans turned 30, studies say. Statistically they are 42% older than all Americans, lost approximately 10% of their muscle mass and are likely to be having sex 2.24 times a week to be exact. Most have acquired a certain amount of experience via their breadth of experience, travels and personal interactions.


Rani G. Whitfield, a medical doctor that calls himself “Tha Hip-Hop Doc,” says that a number of changes occur when a person turns 30 as it pertains to urban culture.


“The music has changed significantly, but so has the level of maturity at age 30. Raising children, marriage, and social networks all influence when, where, and how we listen to Hip-Hop,” Whitfield maintains. “Thirty-year-old parents generally make sure their children don’t live down to fake notions of Black masculinity that too often are epitomized in rap music.”


Congressional hopeful Kevin Powell says the radio and other entities are structures that have changed the complexion and complexity of Hip-Hop.


“I love Hip-Hop - the culture - but I have a big problem with the FCC, Hip-Hop the industry, and anyone who cannot see how destructive the lyrics and images [have] been, for at least the past decade, to young people, especially the young people of color who created Hip-Hop in the first place,” says Powell, who through the years has written about an assortment of artists like Tupac and penned several books.


“I listen to everything, I do not believe in censorship,” continues Powell. “What I do believe in is balance in how we present ourselves, balance in how we view and treat women, and balance in our understanding that if you put negative out there, that it is going to come back to you sooner or later.”


Back in the day, John Williams used to do a mean Michael Jackson-style moonwalk across a broken down cardboard box. He also expanded his creative mind by learning graffiti and realized he was a lousy DJ. And his many Hip-Hop incarnations are distant memories too. Dr. Up Rock, Jammin’ J and MC Mayhem, his alter egos, were laid to rest years ago. His favorite years are the golden era of Rap, when he was a teenager. This is when he argued fervently in the high school lunchroom about who was the best: Rakim, Kool G. Rap or Big Daddy Kane. He always fought for G. Rap, but still loved Rakim and BDK. He also treasured and admired Boogie Down Productions, Public Enemy, X-Clan, Poor Righteous Teachers, Lakim Shabazz and others for their ability to spread wisdom and incite revolutionary thought.


As the 80’s gave way to the 90’s, Williams relished in other burgeoning collectives like Rap-A-Lot, Death Row, Cash Money, No Limit as well as rappers such as Big Pun, Canibus, Mobb Deep and others that impressed him on all fronts of Hip-Hop. He also argued that Nas was better than Biggie and Jay. All of these acts were good for the game…and for a booming business.




Jenn Robinson, a self employed political consultant, was reared on rap acts like De La Soul (and other eclectic forms of music) and is completely sickened by what she hears the music industry machine pumping out.


“I think [Hip-Hop now] is disgusting and that it makes Black people look uneducated, and ridiculous. I believe it perpetuates the perception that there are two types of Black people – the educated type and then the rest,” the 35-year-old mother of three says. “I think the general Hip-Hop audience looks at the educated people as the ‘sell outs’ and then the educated people look at the Hip-Hoppers as the ‘thugs.’ It does not bode well for bridging the gap.”


With Hip-Hop entering its mid-thirties, there is a significant difference in what a 30 to 40-year-old appreciates and a modern teen – the latter being a music marketer’s chief target.


The aging rapper/Hip-Hopper/DJ is quite prevalent (think Jay-Z, Nas, Dr. Dre, Busta Rhymes, WC, Ice Cube, LL Cool J, DJ Kay Slay, Will Smith, Scarface), but the older Hip-Hop fan is not necessarily still loyal to them for a multitude of reasons.


Many older artists are still making music chiefly for the youth and, while their age might match up, the notion of popping bottles, flashing ice and other similar behavior doesn’t necessarily correspond with a spouse, kids, a mortgage and the pursuit of stability.


For some, closing the curtain on Hip-Hop isn’t necessarily a negative thing.


“I don’t think it can be fixed. I think it’s a generational thing. This, for whatever reason, is what people are buying and want to listen to now,” says Ken Swain, a 32-year-old software engineer in Southern New Jersey.


LL Cool J has endured changes in Hip-Hop since the 80’s, but he feels the only changes needed are on a corporate level.


“I think that it’s about 19 records that we hear all the time [on the radio]. It’s a little nasty. It’s a little disgusting,” Cool J says. “That’s probably the only thing I would change in Hip-Hop. I would mix it up…so people could get a balance.”


The rapper says that he felt that his longtime label Def Jam no longer supports the type of Hip-Hop he creates. “I’m doing Hip-Hop for the love of Hip-Hop,” he says.


Planet Asia, a rapper from the West Coast, has been out since the 90’s and said that the age gap is simply the way things are. Get over it, old heads.


“Kids don’t want to be hella uptight. A lot of these dudes get of age and then they are like, ‘Oh, we need to clean up Hip-Hop,’” he bemoans. “That’s bulls**t, if you are damn near close to 40 of course you gonna say that, but you can’t tell an 18, 19 year old kid to stop saying ‘n***a.’”


Writer/filmmaker dream hampton (lower-case spelling is a style point) isn’t one to dismiss Hip-Hop, no matter how talking heads like Bill O’Reilly may rally. Even when her daughter was a child, dream says she mandated her child listen to certain songs such as Biz Markie's “Pickin’ Boogers” and dead prez’s "I'm an African."


Hampton, a 30-something Brooklyn resident, admits she doesn’t have a “Hip-Hop Jones” anymore, but still admits to checking for exceptional lyricists like T.I.


“I'm not bourgeoisie, puritanical or Christian, so what I think is vulgar—people pretending monogamy is some ideal, war, oppression, rape, women hyphenating their last names so n***as'll know they're married—others don't find offensive,” she admonishes. “I always find language fascinating. Sometimes it's oppressive, sometimes it's self-destructive, but rarely ‘vulgar.’"




Powell adds that disdain for Hip-Hop is not exclusive to the old heads.


“I think people of all ages are saddened by the state of Hip-Hop, the industry. I hear it from teenagers all the way up to early 40-somethings, any of us who grew up and came of age with the culture, know the history of the music, and know the kind of quality, across the board, that once existed. It is an understanding, on some level, that there is a big difference between Hip-Hop culture and the Hip-Hop industry, and that the industry side, which passes off anything as good music, has done major damage to Hip-Hop culture.”


These days, the 30 and up crowd have greatly expanded their listening – or have gone back to the very music they grew up loving.


John Williams and others interviewed for this story expressed pleasure in listening to Beyonce, U2, Joss Stone, Maroon 5, M.I.A., White Stripes, Ne-Yo, Omarion, Amy Winehouse, Ciara, Gwen Stefani, Feist, John Legend, Leela James, Lily Allen, Mary J. Blige, The Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, Rakim. G Rap, Lyte, Pharcyde, Talib Kweli, Fabolous, Outkast, Nas and a broad, colorful assortment of other artists.


Furthermore, other cultural elements become important to the aging rap head.


“The bottom line…at age 30, the decision to celebrate the culture and true elements of Hip-Hop becomes more important than just enjoying the music,” says Dr. Whitfield. “But how could you not get up and dance to “Planet Rock”?


And now John Williams is left with decisions in the midst of his changing life.


After being the consummate B-Boy, Williams is hopeful even though he has relaxed on listening to Hip-Hop.


“If you really listen, you hear the variety coming back to rap. I’m not a fan of Souljah Boy, but I can appreciate that he’s relatively harmless and fun for the kids,” he says weeks later. “On the other side, Public Enemy, Talib and Common all dropped albums in the last year. I’m actually happy. There’s room for everything, but some of us old heads just have to look harder and support more.”


** John Williams is a real person, but his name has been changed, because he doesn’t want people to think he really hates Hip-Hop. His wife is happy and his kids are healthy.



Comments

 

mistacofe said:

Great article that touches home for me.  Having grew up in Mt Vernon NY and the Bronx right down the street from me, I literally grew up on hip hop.  I believe, as has been said in the article, that BALANCE is really missing right now.  In the 80s and 90s, you could hear a Wu Tang song, but you could also hear ATCQ, and then MC Hammer. Nowadays, it seems as you arent hearing the same balance. As a husband/father/uncle I really don't want my kids listening to the vulgarity that seems to dominate the radio, thank god for sattelite radio!
February 12, 2008 11:18 AM
 

K Gumz said:

Thats cool i'm over 20 and sometimes i hate it too

http://kgumz.blogspot.com/
February 12, 2008 11:19 AM
 

MAK™ said:

REAL TALK!!!!

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-MAK-
February 12, 2008 11:28 AM
 

Simply Dat Nigga said:

WHO IS MR.CRISIS??  You wanna know who he is? he is a WACK ASS myspace rapper that sucks HELLA buns. You all can thank me later for saving you sometime from listening to this wack ass nigga and all you other niggaz tryin to promote ya'll selves on here need to stop already cuz ya'll niggaz justa bunch of myspace rapper that are FUCKIN TRASH!!!!
February 12, 2008 11:28 AM
 

b eaze nigga said:

WOW NO OTHER COMMENTS, BUT LET ME WEIGH IN MY OPITION. I'M A 27 YR EDUCATED BLACK MALE AND TO SOME DEGREE I AGREE WITH THE DEMISE OF HIP HOP, I MYSELF LISTENED TO THE LATTER END OF THE 80'S AND EMERSED MYSELF IN THE 90'S AND EARLY 2000 BEATS AND RYTHMES. RECENTLY I HAVE BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED IN WHOM IS PLACED ON THE RADIO FOR ONE A LOCATION STATION HERE IN DELAWARE PLAYS THIS SILLY SONG ALL THE TIME YEAH THE BEAT IS INFECTIUOS BUT THE LYRIC SAY NOTHING. I REMEMBER SITTING IN MY ROOM BACK IN 94-96 AND STUDYING THE LYRICS UNTIL I GOT A BIG VERSE DOWN OR A BLACK MOON HOOK JUST RIGHT TO WALK DOWN THE STREET AND SPIT IT HOW THEY DID ON RECORD, GOING TO THE RECORD STORE ISN'T EVEN FUN ANYMORE. MAYBE IT'S JUST GROWIN'  UP BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ROLLIN STONE FANS WHO WILL GO TO THE WORLDS END TO SEE A CONCERT WILL THAT BE THE SAME WITH US OR WILL WE JUST MOVE ON AND LET THE MOVEMENT THAT WAS ONCE POWERFUL DIE...
February 12, 2008 11:30 AM
 

Money Man AL said:

WHO IS MR.CRISIS??

WHO IS MR.CRISIS??

find out on at myspace.com/crisisworld
February 12, 2008 11:46 AM
 

odeisel said:

hip hop doens't nee dto be cleaned up.  there was way worse contnet back in the days.  ther'es a bit of revisionist history going on here.  It was not all good back then and there were even more gimmicks.

muscially there could stand to be a bit more creativity in the mainstream but there ar efar more creative rappers out there than there ever were. but the supposed biggest fans of hiphop are too lazy to look for them and are dependent on radio, which in itself is funny because we never used to depend on it.
February 12, 2008 12:18 PM
 

JRucker said:

I'm over 30 and I still love and appreciate Hip Hop. There is a lot of bullshit out there but there is also a lot of creative stuff too. We may be missing the message that old school hip-hop use to provide to us, but I wouldn't go to the extreme and hate hip hop. What else is there? Where we gon turn to - Country? Gospel Hip Hop? To the old heads in the game that hate the game right now - Step up. Get back out here and give us some of that old school - 2008 shit. Quit hatin these lil young cats for gettin their paper. That bullshit you hatin on isn't going to last long anyway. Come back and bring us some real shit.
February 12, 2008 12:19 PM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

There's nothing wrong with Hip Hop and if you're depending on the radio and the television for real Hip Hop then you're stuck. Mainstream and I repeat MAINSTREAM Hip Hop may be suffering, but undergroung Hip Hop music is thriving. People like to talk down abou the quote unquote myspace rappers but that's just giving people the opportunity to hear something they otherwise would never hear. Support the talent that's coming from the underground or shut up or die. Plain and simple. Stop complaining about Hip Hop on a mainstream level and find out where the next local underground show is and attend, otherwise you're running your mouth and wasting time writing this type of commentary. Fuck mainstream Hip Hop.

www.myspace.com/thirdsupremelegend
February 12, 2008 12:27 PM
 

JigsawTheGod said:

i wrote this - i still love hiphop...i definitely would like to see artists push to be more creative and thought provoking AND have a broad appeal.. i think thats missing right now.
February 12, 2008 12:27 PM
 

H8ME? said:

Ok we all know Hip Hop has changed.....

From the beginning , the golden era, til now. The game changed.

I'm  sure that Kool Herc, Treachous 3 & few others from that era were sayin the same when N.W.A  & gangsta Rap hit the airwaves in the early 90's. Then it switched again back to its roots per say, with Nas, Wu-Tang, Jay-Z etc ..etc... Which leads us to what we have today. Hurricane Chris, Soujah Boy, & the supose leader LIL Wayne.

I think the creative side  (real mc's)was lost for a minute.. But the future looks bright to me..

Kanye, Lupe Fiasco, Joel Ortiz, Joe Buddens, etc.  Can hopefully keep hip hop alive.


HIP HOP FOREVER !
February 12, 2008 12:27 PM
 

crysis6 said:

Ill article.  Im 27, and I feel what he sayin.  Theres gotta be room for growth in the music and the culture, cuz thats the only way hip hop has and will continue to survive.  But nowadays Im listenin to my ipod over hot 97 and power 105 at all times.  The game just aint the same as it was when I was comin up, and it wont ever be the same again.  Which I accept cuz like I said, growth is a good thing... but where its at now, it needs to change.  Its a fact that rap goes in cycles, and will come back to the streets like it did in 98-99 wit the def jam movement, survival of the illest, and all that.  Its gonna come back to the lyrics, but right now we at a different point, and I hope all these new cats that are taking advantage of where its at now could keep a spot in the game and keep gettin money when it does change again.
February 12, 2008 12:37 PM
 

INANYSTATEOFMIND said:

Hip hop today isn't made for 30 and over people. Hip hop back in the day wasn't made for 30 and over people.  When these kids growing up in this era get older, they won't like anything that gets put out by the newer rappers either. Some of us over 30 year olds can appreciate some of the newer rappers. It's the ignorant wack shit that we hate.
February 12, 2008 12:38 PM
 

WhatIsReallyreal said:

Props on the article. It causes one to consider several things, but first I must say the writers/editors at allhiphop in general and jigsaw in particular...you HAVE to step your proof reading game up. Seriously. When you attempt to write a thought provoking article like this you can't allow it to run with basic errors...it hurts the credibility.

Anyways.

No doubt the hip hop industry has hurt hip hop culture, but why is this? To what extent is the culture embracing the industry and to what extent is the industry diluting/growing the culture? In other words, we are all consumers and what we choose to buy, watch, and support influences those who decided what should and should not be marketed.

Also, I think the reason people who are 30 plus tend to view hip hop in a different/negative light is not only because the nature of the music has changed but because they, as consumers of information, also have changed. At 30 one's expectations are different. During the 80's and 90's someone who was 18-25 may have felt hip hop was a legitimate social force that could yield significant changes in practices and attitudes, while the same person 10-20 years later may no longer believes such things. They may have become more cynical, less hopefull, or just more involved with their own immediate situation (kids, mortgage, spouse, job) than the larger, more general issues of society. Not to say the two things must necessarily compete.

At the end of the day its only music, which is not to say that the messages within the music cannot make a significant impact, but it isn't just about the artists. People who aren't making the music, but love the music and the culture (the "positive" portions anyways) need to be educators as well, need to take an active role in illustrating the positive and redeeming features of the music we think and know is valuable. Why is it valuable, what can it change, how can it alter and grow perspective? We need to make sure those who doubt hip-hop's significance understood these central issues.  

Bottom line...no matter your age, if you feel hip hop is dying or that it is a fragment of what it could/should be, then help change that. Strive to change the opinions of people who possess oversimplistic, uneducated views. And most importantly, support the artists you feel can make a difference.
February 12, 2008 12:41 PM
 

Git your Ciaras on » Blog Archive » I???m Over 30 And I Hate Hip-Hop said:

February 12, 2008 12:46 PM
 

Durk Niggler said:

I'm over 30 and I dont know if I ever will stop listening to Hip-Hop, artist like Kanye, Lupe, Common, Little Brother, Jay-Z they keep me listening I make sure me kids listen to these artist to just so they know that it's true art form. Everything changes if we want it to or not....then we all have to realize the people saying rap has changed is the veterans from back in the day and they do get older so there is a lot of shit they aint going to like or appreciate...the older you get your taste changes aybe for the better.
February 12, 2008 12:48 PM
 

SOLRAC20022 said:

Hip Hop is on life support
February 12, 2008 12:54 PM
 

odeisel said:

no it isn't.
February 12, 2008 1:04 PM
 

Moorish Brother said:

I'm 40 & I dislike the majority of mess played on the radio.....Hip Hop music getting spins on the radio is dead......Hip Hop culture is alive, you have to search for it...

Beenie Seigle's new album is hot...
February 12, 2008 1:14 PM
 

thehiphopnerd_08 said:

let's stop complaining about the state of Hip-Hop (no matter the age) and do something about it...go out and support good music, search for it 'cause it is out there, and stop supporting the wack...the artists/labels/radio stations will get the hint when their dollars disappear...

http://thehiphopnerd.blogspot.com/
February 12, 2008 1:15 PM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

I don't mean to come off as disrespectful or anything like that bro but I'm tired of this subject. Do me a favor, write a piece about your top 10 favorite indie label or underground artists. Do a piece on Little Brother, 9th wonder, Buckshot, or Sean Price for that matter because that's real Hip Hop and it's here. The internet is destroying sales across the board so the playing field of the mainstream is going to even out eventually. There's only a matter of time before real Hip Hop returns to the Mainstream but untill then, you have to support your artists. Peace.

www.myspace.com/thirdsupremelegend
February 12, 2008 1:30 PM
 

infamous writah said:

Theres a lot of wack rap that were being fed and theres people that are eating it up.  im from cali and all i get fed is fucken hyphy music and snap music but to years ago i was getting fed death row, nas, biggie, puff, no limit so the varity is missing now.  what im getting at is these radio stations need to mix it up and for the music industry A & R's need to be fired for not doing there job.
February 12, 2008 1:31 PM
 

J-DUBB THA YOUNG HECTIC said:

i got a song called "my chick is rap" where i talk about how rap change from good material to materialistic. come check it out
http://www.myspace.com/jdubbthayounghectic  


February 12, 2008 1:39 PM
 

Shalom said:

Anybody who hates Hip-Hop or claim its not catering to the older generation needs to slap themselves, including homie who wrote this piece.

That’s like saying an entire city is dangerous just because one tiny part of the town is grimy.

There’s rap music for EVERYBODY. The problem is that people are too lazy to find the music they enjoy.

It amazes me that with all the technology in the world people STILL claim that Hip-Hop is dead or is dying…AMAZING!!!

And those same people are quick to bootleg or download artists who they feel represent the culture.

Un Amor

-Shalom
February 12, 2008 1:42 PM
 

Okoron said:

Hip-hop is alright, i don't see anything wrong with it. the way people are complaining and pushing this thing about hip-hop is way played out god. people should take a break. let the new ones do what they do and let the past be the past. u can't bring back the 80's and 70's no matter what u say, do, argue ecc.. just stop the noise. hip-hop this hip-hop that give hip-hop a break and let it re-build itself.
February 12, 2008 1:46 PM
 

P Floyd said:

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February 12, 2008 1:48 PM
 

hustlin_bwoii said:

theres a lot of things wrong wid hip hop, its dead, thers no meaning or direction to it, hip hop is lyk a whore
February 12, 2008 1:56 PM
 

Coma said:

Hip Hop Lives....you just have to spend money to see it and hear it.

Either go to the shows and see the artists that do REAL Hip Hop perform.

or;

subscribe to XM Radio (66 RAW in particular) and hear that real shyt that folks have been missing.

I'm over 30 and used to feel that way until I got XM.  

Viacom and it subsidaries (BET, VH1, MTV, MTV2, MTVu...hail, Nick) all are there to support the "coonery" at it's finest because it makes money and its entertainment for them to say

"LOOK at these NI**AS actin like they just got off the train (Underground Railroad.)!!

February 12, 2008 2:14 PM
 

Aries1 said:

Great Article indeed. My thing with Hip-Hop is of course the balance musically.  Music/Art is a representation to the human mind, which consist of many different thoughts and perspectives. Im 26 yrs old,  and I am indeed thinking like these guys too,  but I do open my mind to today's music, and I will admit that I am disappointed as a listener to great percentage.  There is a need of balance within different subject matters in hip hop, in order to stay fresh. It's almost like a fruit stand, you can't just sell apples, you have to have a variety to stay in business.  The radio stations need to put in spins with some todays artist, but also include more Lupe's, Common's, Kanye's, even the old schools trying to bring it again.  Add some Neo-Soul r&b with today's R&B.  VH1 Soul and BET J are my channels, cause they got varieties of music that gets my mind jumping.  There is a lot of unknown talent that the industry ain't tapping like Little Brother, Nicolay, Foreign Exchange, Panacea, TAbi Bonney, and the list goes on.  I get mad when I hear these guys by word of mouth, and I hear the music for myself and wonder why these guys can't get on.  It's even more sad when you have people like Gene Simmons of KISS, to even say that hip hop needs variety to stay fresh in the game.  The torch has been passed, but it is not shining too brightly. HIP HOP, step your rap game up. Peace.


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February 12, 2008 2:35 PM
 

Amarie4911 said:

I don't hate Hip hop, I hate today's rap music. But I humble enough to realize that it ain't for me to like. I don't think that it should be banned. Some stuff just needs to be played after 9 pm whne most kids should have their as*es in bed. I grew up on hip hop/rap music whatever you choose to call it. Today's music has totally turned me off because it seems like the music corporations has turned it into a commercial product full of gimmicks and hidden agendas. Rap music has been raped and has no soul anymore.
February 12, 2008 2:42 PM
 

scotty boy said:

Look its like this old school new school. dont matter no reason to hate this generation not everybody is making garbage there just putting a lot of the same out hip hop neeeeedss a make over something different but fresh something like that new cat anonymous k..that dude is about to se the game on fiiiyyyahhhh!!! do me a favor, dont believe a word i say see for yourselves guarantee youll love hip hop again!


www.myspace.com/anonymityk
February 12, 2008 2:53 PM
 

H8ME? said:

  Coma said:
Hip Hop Lives....you just have to spend money to see it and hear it.

Either go to the shows and see the artists that do REAL Hip Hop perform.

or;

subscribe to XM Radio (66 RAW in particular) and hear that real shyt that folks have been missing.

I'm over 30 and used to feel that way until I got XM.  

Viacom and it subsidaries (BET, VH1, MTV, MTV2, MTVu...hail, Nick) all are there to support the "coonery" at it's finest because it makes money and its entertainment for them to say


I agree wit you all the way  on this one.
February 12, 2008 2:54 PM
 

Mighty H.A.M said:

I'm A 27 year old male who grew up loving Hip-Hop I repeat Hip-Hop This new shit that's going on is just rhyming to music there is no creativity anymore I can hear a new song on the radio or video and recite it word word in the first listen it's all too predictable money money hoes and 24"s wtf is going on and it's funny the audience they're reaching out to really can't afford these things except for the ones from white Amerikkka but the average shorty from the hood can't afford unless he go's out and sells drugs and the imagery it shows our little girls is if he aint ballin outta control don't mess with him so now where dose this put us as a people a culture of teenage mothers and and a bunch of ex-cons who have now been stripped of there chance of ever achieving real success trust me I know from experience
February 12, 2008 2:54 PM
 

eatoratedsr said:

In all honesty I have heard this same argument over and over again. It feels like the 30 year old and older crowd wants to look back at the primarily east coast rap of the 80's as some sort of Golden Age also it boils down to what you are buying and I don't think you can say you hate "Hip Hop" it would be more correct to say you hate rap or thegimickrey that goes on you couldblaime it more on Pauola or the fact that Hip Hop as a culture has allowed it's elf to become like that when you have a bunch of self righteous incense burners attacking anything that doesnt sound like Paid in Full or Criminally minded and then wonder why as a culture Hip Hop is dieing the blame is at your feet 30 year old rap fans and Underground purists instead of welcoming the younger acts and fans tot he table the same thing that killed hardcore punk is happening in which a group of embittered scenesters try and stifle any originality because it's not how they want it music is about growth and personal expression if that involves Common rapping about love and spirituality good if that involves Young Jeezy rapping about pushing weight do you in short we must all learn to be open and what is really killing Hip hop isn't the gimmicky one hit wonders, trap rappers or guys from the south it is the "backpack" rap movement and it's elitist reactionary out look
February 12, 2008 3:04 PM
 

Patillac said:

There is nothing wrong with "Hip-Hop" in my opinion. It is just up to the fans... The ARs are only focusing on what the fans like anyway. I'm just tired of hearing that "Hip-Hop is Dead..." We all know damn well that "Hip-Hop" aint dead... I mean if there is a particular rapper that I didn't like, I wouldn't go and listen to their song... There are many types and styles for fans everywhere...
February 12, 2008 3:10 PM
 

MaryJanesHusband said:

I'm 30 and I stillove hip hop. There is a lot of bullshit but I just stay away from that.
February 12, 2008 3:53 PM
 

lil_mikey_da_gooch said:

I'm 31 and I love hiphop. It will never be like it was, we just have to kinda pick and choose because back then it was kinda all the same. There are rappers that I won't listen to because my opinion is they just through some trash out to make ringtones. When i was  teen we had tapes not CD's or downloads. We had to pick wisely at who we wanted to hear and we learned EVERY word on the tape  word for word. Albums like " Walk with a panther", paid in full, Grip it to tha other level,  and Doggystyle is over. I don't know how we can bring it back if possible.
February 12, 2008 3:56 PM
 

anomali_ygb said:

i'm 23 and for the last 2 years haven't been into all the hip-hop that comes out. it's a crap shoot with all these people talking about the same stuff but occasionally you do get some good stuff that comes out under the radar. i'm tired of the radio and some of the myspace stuff, they keep that b.s. going and people think its hot
February 12, 2008 3:56 PM
 

JayAllah said:

im 23 and i have to say i know what my mom ment by when i grow up i wont like the new music coming out.  and in fact she is right to some extent.  hip hop in the 80s and 90s not everyone was doin it, but now everyone has an unlce with a studio which is cool.  radio play has always been a problem to me anyways, cause you always see artist try to find something with less curses and a bop so someone can jam 2.  thats y i like the creativeness of kanye, lupe and nas just to name a few of how they dont need those big records or upity beats to shine.  i started listining to hip hop in the mid 90s and its a big difference from 95 96 to 2005 and 2006.  hip hop was always for the young heads and now the old heads are growing older its time for a metamorphis in the game.  like in high school i use to listen to dipset all the time and i thought they were hot, and then i grew up and realize they arent really saying shit and it was disturbing.

besides 2007 seems to be what hip hop was missin, i seen a lot of upcoming artist and a lot of albums that kept me goin to best buy every other month.. think about it..

american g
graduation
ti vs tip
findin forever
eardrum
the cool
freeway
lilttle brother
8 diagrams
buck the world

we actually got to see quality music and quality albums coming out instead of commercial songs on every track.
February 12, 2008 4:45 PM
 

live.love.laugh said:

Hate??? Naw, I wouldn't go as far as to say I hate it. BUT, i do get his point. You really cant buy an album now, and play it ALL the way thru. They dont make albums like that, anymore. Now it's like only 2 or 3 cuts that you actually like. And THATS why poeple download! With the exception of a handful of artists out there, Hip Hop isn't what it used to be. I hate to say it, but if feels and sounds like it's not ours anymore.
February 12, 2008 5:06 PM
 

JigsawTheGod said:

i'm 16 and i dont know what they are talking bout....hip hop is great!!

on the serious tip, kevin powell talked about balance and thats what it is - there is a lack of tht now. somebody made reference to the "golden era being an east coast thing" -NOT. it was an explosion of creatives that dide all sorts of different styles and whatever. it really had little to do with any east coast bias and everything to do with the wealth of music coming out at the time. everything from run dmc to just ice to kool g rap and kane to rob base to de la soul to public enemy to rakim to heavy d. the list goes on and on.


frankly, you can make the same argument with the golden age as the mid 90s. there is a lot of resemblance in those two eras in terms of diversity in the music and that is reflected in the story,, the names were no limit, rap a lot and cash money as well as the roc, def jam, bad boy and death row.

when you hit a certain age or more importantly a certain MATURITY LEVEL, you cant quite relate to somethings or some stuff just isnt appropriate.
February 12, 2008 5:07 PM
 

BosLanta said:

I am 23. Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, Little Brother, Nas, and Jay-Z were the only hip hop artists that seen a dime from me this year. I am a "music" buyer, if you will. There is very little "music" in hip hop today. I think new artists should take that into account instead of trying to make a quick couple thousand bucks, and not being relevant the next year. Here it is 12 almost 13 years down the road, and I still know all of the words to "Juicy", and "Dear Mama". The artist aren't all to blame though. The fans want something totally different now. But the labels are basically telling them what they want. Where does change start?
February 12, 2008 5:30 PM
 

tianna2683 said:

this happen every generations w/ music their parents didn't run dmc etc. dude called solja boy harmless lol. I guess he approve of supermaning hoes.
February 12, 2008 5:41 PM
 

JigsawTheGod said:

change starts from supporting the artists that we want.

demanding more out of BET/MTV/corporate radio OR turning them OFF.

finding those outlets that do support what we do like AHH.

its pretty simple: put your money where your mouth is.

also, hip hop has a stigma attached to it that its only for people up to like 30. thats just not true. we have to allow artists to mature and artists have to be willing to be  true artist and reflect that.

there are a lotta layers. the sad thing is a lotta acts will just do whatever it takes to get that quick buck. its hard to fault them when u look at the economy.
February 12, 2008 5:46 PM
 

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February 12, 2008 5:49 PM
 

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I KINDA AGREE BUT I DONT LISTEN TO MAINSTREAM PEOPLE I STILL COP CDS FROM PEOPLE WHO WAS DELIVERING IN THE 90'S EXP. E40, BROTHA LYNCH, MOB FIGGAZ, TOO SHORT
THERE IS ONLY A COUPLE OF NEW GUYS I EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO LIKE GUCCI MANE, KANYE, TI, MISTAH FAB, HOODSTARZ ETC. IN 26 SO WAS A TEEN IN THE 90'S BUT MY SON IS 4 AND HE LIKES KANYE AND SOULJA BOY JUS FIND WHAT YOU LIKE AND LISTEN TO IT THERES ALWAYS SUMTHIN FOR EVERYONE

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February 12, 2008 5:56 PM
 

MICNIFICENT said:

im 26 and live in Australia...i grew up on hip hop since i can remember and i can say Hip Hop just aint the same as when i was growing up...and maybe for a minute i thought its because im older now and it just doesnt have the same effect it once had on me...

what i see now is alot of artist just copying eachother and doing the same things, same producers/same sounds as every other artist...but hip hop is definately not dead or on life support....Hip Hop is alive and well and we just got to be more selective of what we listen to...search through the trash and find the treasures...

we also need to throw wack rappers off stage like the old dayz...lol.
February 12, 2008 5:58 PM
 

blastchoas said:

hip hop is timeless well some of it
February 12, 2008 6:03 PM
 

poe said:

I'm under 30 & sometimes I hate what's being pushed & what's not being pushed


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February 12, 2008 6:05 PM
 

TOHN007 said:

@live.love.laugh

I agree with you, I dont want to go so far to say I HATE hip hop. These days everything is so watered down that there are not any truly great albums coming out. I remember listening to a Tribe album and just letting that shit bump all the way through.  I'm 31 and I have come to grips with the idea that most of the shit that is coming out these days, just aint for me. It's for the younger generation. That's why I mainly listen to all the old shit. Classic hip hop to us is like Motown music to our parents, no matter how old is gets, it is still timeless to us. I just wish that us older hip hop heads would still show out to support our generations artists when they tour. I saw Big Daddy Kane live recently and it was one of the best shows that I have seen. I think it is a shame that older hip hop artists can go out and tour together and make money. Hell the Whispers and the O'Jays and Maze still go out and sell out arenas but we dont hold the same reverance for our hip hop artists.
February 12, 2008 6:10 PM
 

Aries1 said:

Also, I would definetely like to add my two cents in on creativity.  Creativity is a big deal appeal to music, and in the category of hip-hop, it's close to non-existence.  There is a dyer need of creativity, not just in marketing or stage presentation, but in the music in general. I mean remember songs like,"Me and Mrs. Jones"?  The title in itself was creative,  because you don't even hear the singer ever say," I bonin' yo wife."  The singer gives you a mental tease, and I missed that shit.  Creativity is a must bottom line. Peace.


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February 12, 2008 6:27 PM
 

chocolaterain said:

Most rap music today is bullcrap!! Point blank no excuses....most rap music is real trashy these days.
February 12, 2008 6:27 PM
 

IronHorse said:

1st off, aint no snot nosed nigga born in 1990 and up gonna tell me when to stop fuckin with a genre thats still new to them in the 1st place. Ever heard the term 'I was here 1st' so i'll say what the fuck I wanna....pause.
2nd, everybodys views are all over the place, hell yeah hip hop is dead, as soon as it was regarded as a legitimate genre that could actually generate millions like all the other genres and accpeted by white people it was dead, we just didnt realize it yet CAUSE WERE STILL NEW TO THE MONEY AND THE INDUSTRY....MONEY DID THIS, ALL THIS FAME & FORTUNE IS NEW TO BLACK AMERICA AS A WHOLE. NAME 1 TIME IN HISTORY BLACK PEOPLE HAVE EVER HAD THIS MUCH NOTORITY AND MONEY? RIIGHT.... ALOT MORE BLACK ATHLETES, ENTERTAINERS, DOCTERS, LAWYERS ETC MAKING MONEY IN 2008 VERSUS 1984... THE FACT YOU CAN BE THAT EVERYDAY NIGGA FROM DOWN THE BLOCK NOW AND MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITHOUT GOING TO JAIL DID THIS....HIP HOP BECAME A WAY OUT ...A "SHORT CUT" TO FORTUNE, NOW EVERYBODYS DOIN IT...ITS BECOME THE FAD THEY SAID IT WAS IN THE BEGINING...
Its Dead meaning, no more innocence or individuality to the art form, theres no more "for the love of it" if your one of those cats they call you 'backpack' i.e. look how kanye had to go overboard just to avoid that title and that hate crowd.
Niggas treat this like just another 9 to 5 or hustle, not a culture....thus hip hop is dead, the color is gone from it...it doesnt stand out without shock value or some kinda gimmick attached to it, nobody stands up for shit no more as soon as he does niggas act like he got AIDS or some queer shit...hip hop has BEEN dead kid, if your JUST realizing this cause nas said it, and then argued about the meaning and got nowhere fast, yes you ARE apart of the problem and in denial...
What you young niggas need to stop taking so personal is how a generation of people who witnessed BRILLANCE, fuck what you wanna call it nowadays after the fact with all this internet BS...we experienced BRILLIANCE 1st time around, from melle mel to the geto boys, thats shit felt amazing and there was really no other feeling like it growing up in the 80's hearing or seeing hip hop on TV or a magazine or something cause that shit wasnt happening AT ALL and you absorbed that shit as much as you could cause it felt so fresh & new.
New age niggas get so salty when they keep hearing all this, I feel sorry for ya'll microwave niggas cause your like heartless zombies with no soul and no inspiration but "gettin it" and this internet crap...lol... all this new shit is stomach turning for some of us from a different era. You just gotta accept that and stop being a punk on the internet about it, talkin about fuck this & that to get your point across...thats what I  hate...how a bonified legend can be fronted on just cause the young niggas wanna see someone else blow...what is that? Thats gotta be the most homo trait of this new era. Who are you to tell someone when their time is up? who the fuck you supposed to be...
Than all the "your just a hater" bullshit, what in the blue fuck is that? hater? why resort to some open ended slang term when 98% of the shit just aint good? why you think you only hear the same 5 or 6 names year after year getting all the press?
Then niggas turn around and have the audacity to wonder why the game is so wack now...my goodness...
See I can got pop in the 1st snoop or the 1st Wu, or whatever and close my eyes and Im right back in that place, that feeling, ya'll niggas dont got NOTHING...
1 guy was sayin its the backpackers who are ruining the game or something like that...thats exactly what I mean, if not them, a purist who just loves how the beat rocks... who's gonna step up for the purity of OUR OWN SHIT? niggas from the south? jesse? sharpton? shiiiit, let them backpackers do their job and love the game for it just being the game, somebodys gotta do it.....
I guess we just say fuck it now, ignore it and let it wither away for the sake of not giving a fuck just like them pop motherfuckas do to their shit? This is why niggas from the south get so much heat cause they got a "we aint hip hop, its all the eastcoast fault" mentality and really aint adding on to the game but a ringtone fad and more niggas from up their block from their hood with hardly any skill.
Alot of people take that shit personal, can you blame them? I can't...The consumer suffers not the artist so yeah niggas get vexed and speak out cause their music aint sounding right no more...
But can you blame a region who is JUST getting their shine after all these years to support every nigga who comes along just to see 1 of their own win, as long as hes from the south? I can't....its a new age segregation thats happening between south/new york..or the 'eastcoast' let some of ya'll tell it....But niggas just wanna win by any means and some things get shut out for that to happen, in this case, balance....
You cant expect the 'new guy'(the south) to have all the answers or speak up about any of this shit right now when they still working on their own identity? and you cant talk about this shit WITHOUT bringing up the south cause that shit is hip hop just as much as Premo is no matter how you try to run from it or slice & dice it...
The problem is that theres 80,000 voices with 80,000 solutions and only 1 true problem. LL is sayin it needs to change on a corporate level....true, but that aint happening tommorow or nothing so you cant take his views into accord that much, but thats what HE sees... planet asia is a below radar underground "backpack" MC if you will...he said something you would expect outta young joc or someone to say, will he get support from these new age kids now cause he said spoke how some of them may feel about 'old rappers'? nope. This is the age were in now. Everybody got an opinion and they use the internet to pop off about it.
People with no responsabilities or kids or just havent reached maturity yet dont mind an orgy on wax or a drive by on mp3 or the out of control shit that goes on, they dont see anything wrong with this shit! they just blurt "hater" and K.I.M...They arent thinking about nothing but what time the party starts and who sung the hook...and dont forget he GOTTA be from the south for it to be IN...the new thing to hate is the birthplace of all that is and forever will be hip hop, why? again, what the fuck is that shit? Thats like sayin fuck africa for the sake of sayin it... I cant call this shit to save my fuckin life...

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February 12, 2008 6:47 PM
 

chocolaterain said:

hip hop is the new Disco? raped and destroyed
February 12, 2008 6:51 PM
 

Aries1 said:

@ ironhorse:

I'll co-sign on that. Speak on it, brah.
February 12, 2008 6:53 PM
 

nercity07 said:

It's called "Hip Hop" for a reason people. I am over 30 and I don't get everything that is said because I'm not "Hip" to the music of these youngsters.

Though I find most of this music out now wack as s**t I am not going to start sounding like my parents by saying "Back In My Day Our Music was better"

Though I wish the radio would start playing more Common, Mos Lupe than Soulja Boy and all those other lames, it is not for me to say what's "Wack" because I am no longer "hip" with the music that is out now.

That is why I go to my 30 plus shows and see Common, Jay, Mos, Wu-Tang etc.

Hip Hop has ALWAYS been an underground railroad for the youth to express themselves...30 plus people can't get mad now that we can't understand the lingo.

That is all.

Peace
February 12, 2008 6:56 PM
 

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February 12, 2008 7:09 PM
 

nercity07 said:

Damn! IronHorse....

I agree. You broke that shit down.
February 12, 2008 7:09 PM
 

R G said:

The Radio is fuckin up the game. The play the same shit 2 and 3 times a hour. Theres got to be a change at the top. Have more of a change of pace in the radio rotation. People will like it if they get a chance to hear it.
February 12, 2008 7:19 PM
 

TCS said:

I don't think that the 30 plusers are mad about the new trends, I think it's that the artform of hip hop is dying. Creativity is dead (word to 50). Lyrics are dead (word to Soulja Boy). Consciousness is dead (word to rap music). So while I can't say that I don't listen to HIP HOP, rap is a form of genocide that misrepresents the truth and idolizes negative images and thought patterns. There is no defense of the genre, it is in all ways a detriment to African Americans. I'm starting to think Black History Month may be a part of the problem too...let me know what you think...

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February 12, 2008 7:20 PM
 

Coolj300 said:

yeh im over 10 and i sumtimes hate rap too...









lol
February 12, 2008 7:25 PM
 

Coolj300 said:

and i agree w/ TCS
February 12, 2008 7:25 PM
 

TCS said:

I don't think that the 30 plusers are mad about the new trends, I think it's that the artform of hip hop is dying. Creativity is dead (word to 50). Lyrics are dead (word to Soulja Boy). Consciousness is dead (word to rap music). So while I can't say that I don't listen to HIP HOP, rap is a form of genocide that misrepresents the truth and idolizes negative images and thought patterns. There is no defense of the genre, it is in all ways a detriment to African Americans. I'm starting to think Black History Month may be a part of the problem too...let me know what you think...

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// TCS
February 12, 2008 7:28 PM
 

nova tha don said:

aye to all you old schoolers who sang that old song i want you.....your the one i want...... i need you..... your the one i need
February 12, 2008 7:36 PM
 

KOSGOD said:

30 here. I don't listen to the radio at all. I just collect old joints. I just copped "The Jaz -  A word to the Jaz". The year 1990 was THE year for me.

February 12, 2008 8:00 PM
 

double yous said:

"In 2007, approximately 3.8 million Americans turned 30, studies say. Statistically they are 42% older than all Americans."

yo, how the fuck is someone '42% older than all Americans?'
someone explain that last comment
February 12, 2008 8:22 PM
 

RhythmatikMusic said:

Im only 23 and i hate what hip hop and what it stands for now and  what it has become, the culture to me is still alive in the underground though there is alot of very dope artists and alot of positive movements so its kinda bittersweet. They say that it has evolved but changing isnt alwys good and when you have a song like"Yrah" by souljah boi that was the end for good hip hop ever having the chance to see the light of day except for people like COmmon,kanye. I try to keep the undergorund my mainsstream lol and not pay attention to the radio anymore
February 12, 2008 8:24 PM
 

WhatIsReallyreal said:

@ double yous...

I was thinkin the same shit...either something was left out or...i don't know what, even if it wasn't a typo or omission what does a stat like that really contribute to any discussion....42 percent older than all Americans....??? I'm guessing it meant those who are 30 or over are older than 42 percent of Americans...

February 12, 2008 8:31 PM
 

AkdmkJeanius said:

it's a copout to blame the hate for hiphop on age.

It sucks and it's set black people's global perception back by decades.

I still blame the media for this.  The FCC, record companies, and media outlets felt NO responsibility to our culture to keep positive uplifting portrayals of our culture at the forefront.

I realize now that non-whites have a very skewed vision of what our culture is and what it's supposed to be.  Most younger black s and non-blacks altogether feel this "culture" of ours is just entertainment.  

And now I realize why hiphop pioneers used to call rappers who got commerical reception sellouts.  They were attempting to retain black control of our perception.  Well we surrounded that control in exchange for monetary compensation.  And this is the end result.

I talk to many under 30 somethings who feel that same way.

It's not just rap either, it's urban music in general.  They don't play social or revolutionary soul singers on the radio or television anymore and that was way before my time.

Every decade the establishment strips away another black stripe and we surrender it for nothing in exchange.

We need to build, own, and retain our media outlets for black culture and staff them full of people who feel and have a cultural obligation.  Never again can big business be allowed to compromise who we are as a people.

 

February 12, 2008 8:49 PM
 

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February 12, 2008 8:51 PM
 

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Nothing wrong with nothing they said, its all real and true and thats the problems most the time. I'm 19 so i don't get on the high horse about it being disgusting and shit, but I don't like bland corn shit, I like original individualistic music, so that wack shit can die.

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February 12, 2008 8:59 PM
 

DtodaJ said:

I'm glad I took out 20 mins to read Ironhorse's comment lol
February 12, 2008 9:12 PM
 

Mornin Man said:

i agree with the people on here who are saying hip hop isn't dead...you just don't get the variety from the easy-to-access outlets (radio, TV, etc...) every one who posted has access to a computer. GO FIND SOME HIP HOP THAT APPEALS TO YOU & THEN SUPPORT IT BY LEGALLY PURCHASING IT OR BUY A CONCERT TICKET TO IT!! It ain't that hard...let's not also forget...during the golden age there was a bunch of WACKNESS & CARBON COPIES put out too...the difference between now & then is the people who brought hip hop to the masses still didn't know what to do with it...they gave it ALL to us. It all went downhill when they realized Sex&Violence&shinynewthings+hiphop=$$$$$ That X'ed out so many dimentions of hip hop (edutainment, the female MC, black nationalist, wordplay & even the PM Dawn type shit).                                              
February 12, 2008 9:13 PM
 

FSJUNKIE said:

I'm 35, got my Masters, married, have 3 children, and just bought my first new house. I've pretty much accepted that there will probably not be another new hip hop artist that will catch my ear. As soon as Jay, Nas, Common, KRS, Public Enemy, Kwali, etc. quit making new albums, then I will done with NEW hip hop as well. I will continue to PURCHASE (not steal) all of the classics that I can get my hands on, but other than that, it's gonna be a wrap. No hate right here though. I give tremendous credit to the hip hop that I was raised on for making me what I am...and that's real talk. Real life situations that make you go and "dig in the crates" for some therapy. I still disappear behind my headphones for hours on that right there. (LOL Superman that hoe...not feelin' that)

Jay's American Gangster (most of Kingdom Come too for that matter) is about my speed. If you haven't seen that VH1 American Gangster Storytellers yet, and you're a 30 something, you're missing out! I think Jay just started a new genre with that hot Party Life joint.
February 12, 2008 9:15 PM
 

Im throwin up the doubleU said:

yo im only 23 but some the shit that is out now is very lame. when did it ever come a time when u have to have a dance or a lame ass hook to sell a record like most people i listen to music not skim throught it. i love hip hop i allways will but im not feelin this talentless trend of music.
February 12, 2008 9:58 PM
 

MAIN MANN said:

Brand nu's can't tell them nothing. Very little creativity and every body wants to be a killer. Garbage flow and the style ain't free it's contrived and that's every thing Hip Hop is not.
February 12, 2008 10:10 PM
 

SeNeCa032 said:

Fact is, there is no wrong or right to this on going debate about the life or death of hip-hop...hip-hop/rap has been injected/infected with the CAPITALISM vaccine/disease! It all depends on how u look at it. The amount of money that is generated nowadays for the artist from ringtones, concerts tours, and via the internet is definitely a far reach from the golden days of hip hop, but something had to be sacraficed and creativity was the main component. I think fans of hip-hop need to take more responsibility for what has happened because if its not generating money, it will stop being produced. Don't eat bullshit because its packaged well! Now a lot of people take shots at soulja boy, but fact is, there is a lane for him to generate revenue and i'd myself much rather see 8-18 year old trying to do the soulja boy dance than pitching rocks like our generation did! That type of musical expression is not for us 21 and up! FANS of hip-hop invest in the indie lables/artist, open your ears up, research the masses, since when did the hip-hop generation/rap generation accept being spoon feed? Stop the regional hate, because the east, west, south and midwest have all contributed to the downfall of creativity, but also to the economic stablity of our music! Turn off the radio!!!  
February 12, 2008 10:56 PM
 

Soselberg Tuck said:

SO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND COME LISTEN TO APPLE TREE. THIS SONG I THINK WILL SUM IT UP. THERE IS UNDERGROUND MUSIC THAT IS WORTH LISTENING TO. THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS 5 BILLION RAPPERS IN THE WORLD AND EVERY ONE OF THEM HAVE A I'M THE SHIT ATTITUDE SO THEY EITHER START SHIT OR DON'T GIVE YOU THE TIME OF DAY. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS ON MYSPACE YOU CAN CLICK ON YOUR OWNS SONGS AND ADD TO YOUR SONG COUNT. HOW ABOUT MAKING ANOTHER PROFILE AND THEN CLICKING ON YOUR OWN SHIT 4 BILLION TIMES. THE AMOUNT OF HITS YOU HAVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TALENT IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW MUCH TIME YOU ARE WILLING TO SPEND FUCKING AROUND ON MYSPACE. AT THE END OF THE DAY BEING HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN IS WORTH MORE THAN HAVING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW YOU OR RELATE TO SHIT YOU SAY WRITTING YOU ON MYSPACE. MYSPACE IS NOT REAL. THE FACT OF THE MATTER THE BEST RAPPER YOU KNOW WITHOUT  DEAL WILL PROBABLE NEVER GET ONE.


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February 12, 2008 11:01 PM
 

PreciseChi said:

Seriously....Tina Turner was on stage at the Grammy's at 69 yrs old...celebrating her music..Contrary to popular belief...great music is still be created...We have choices now...everybody knows how the radio works...This is an opportunity to shift the economic balance just by accessing other means to sell and hear Great Music....Listen to "Its On Me".....http://myspace.com/precisesoundz
February 12, 2008 11:47 PM
 

Backspin202 said:

Don't blame the artist, blame the corporations/radio.Some of these youngins make that bullsh*t because they think that's what will get them a deal.

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February 12, 2008 11:56 PM
 

ThaRep said:

First of all I think it's a good topic, there are all types and genres of Rap and Hip Hop in this world! Music has no ending! If you want it, you can find it! Underground! Mainstream! WHATEVER!

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February 12, 2008 11:57 PM
 

Darnell004 said:

I agree with John, LL and ironhorse's essay. There is no variety and balance in hip hop. Great music is still made, but you won't hear it on the radio or see a video of it like you used to.
February 13, 2008 1:27 AM
 

Streetweyez Sayles said:

A lot of what people are describing in this article is not Hip Hop music. It is urban pop. Urban pop is a genre that was spawned by the mainstream industry in the early 90s. It was a cross between "pop", "rap", and "r&b" music. Examples include "Rump Shaker" and various Teddy Riley sponsored one hit wonders. BBD after their break from New Edition, Mc Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and countless other artists that had a run in the early 90s. Children gimmicks that we see with Souljah Boy, and groups like Pretty Ricky are nothing new. The 90s was filled with them, ABC, Kriss Kross, etc. Urban Pop took hold in the early 90s and much of it was all gimmick, but it could not dominate at the time.

The 90s was not a golden era, the 90s was the PLATINUM ERA. It just so happened to have some emerging lyricists but one could easily see that record companies was pushing for more record sales to the detriment of the platform. Record sales in Rap music today are nowhere near where they were in the mid 90s. Death Row was filled with gimmicks as well at the time, but Dre knows how to make decent tracks and they had really good artists that simply played along with the story lines. Puff was excellent at marketing as well, Jodeci, Mary J., Biggie, for a long time he had the golden touch.

The emergence of Death Row, The Chronic, Doggystyle, and then Wu-Tang, Biggie, Nas, AZ, Mike Geronimo, Smif and Wesson, the BCC, Pac, Spice One, WCC, Ice Cube, and various other artists put lyricism back in the forefront. In the 90s Gangster lyricism sold records. I would like to reiterate here that lyricism STILL sells records. Part of the reason why most of these dudes will never do huge numbers is because they can't lyrically rhyme. Not fancy big words, but be lyrical as in convey emotion in rhythm while expressing their own thoughts to an audience.

Essentially I think Hip Hop is going through a transformation, adapting to the fast paced world of the Internet, while trying to stay true to its roots. The success of Hip Hop as a mainstream art has basically put the street aspects of the culture in the media as well. Now the media pays a lot of attention to rappers activities outside of rap whereas back then they didn't.

I think the most revealing part of where Hip Hop and Rap music is today is what is not being said. Most rappers in the mainstream are not making any more money than some rappers made in the 80s. The biggest rap superstars are being used to push the image of affluence in the genre and that is a falsified image.

In fact, I would argue that rappers today are making far less money on a whole while a few prominent entrepreneurs that just so happen to be rappers are making the most money. If you have interests outside of music to make wealth, you can stay true to the art without compromising. If all you do is rap, then you will fall victim to fads to try and stay relevant to the marketing machines of the major media outlets. The independent route is good but it takes hard work and business discipline, it is not like getting an advance and then simply working just enough to pay it back. At least this is partially what I think, there is a lot more but it would really take up a lot of more space.
February 13, 2008 2:00 AM
 

bipro20 said:

ILL NEVER STOP LOVING HIP HOP!!
February 13, 2008 4:11 AM
 

bipro20 said:

REAL TALK @ R G!!
February 13, 2008 4:18 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

I hate alot ov newskool hip hop to. Altho I was born in '86 I been in2 hip hop since I was like 5or6 yrs old coz ov My brother. I still bump all the oldkool shit. Couple reasons for the decline is, there is TO much money and TO many biznizz ventures involved in rap these dayz, that have made it TO commercial. I dont mean commercial in the sense ov 'ow hes a commercial rapper I dont like Him' but in the sense ov, its dumb down rap, and people now use it as A means to get out ov poverty, and make A QUICK buck... greed, its not preformed for the love. Its got 2 the stage or money, cars and bling, instead park jams, street partys and phat hair cuts. AND IT WAS MUCH MORE FAMILY ORIENTATED back in the day, mothers come out jammin with there baby in their arms while the kids danced with there Dad and uncles etc lol U wouldnt get that now coz lyrics are to offending. I kno I said it B4, but one reason I feel REAL UK Hip Hop, iz because there isnt much money init, so it iz still real, no1s talking bout money. Every1 still graffs, its got alot ov oldskool influence. Its got that old vibe. Anyway, this iz A good artical, with alot ov potential arguments lol, bring back the 90's lol. Big Illy, aint U from Deleware??? lol
February 13, 2008 4:58 AM
 

x2npacx said:

i fuckin' hate hiphopdx...i can't post shit on their site, cuz they say i'm floodin'...but then there's faggots on there that be posting their myspace's and beats 10 times on a fuckin' single article...bullshit ass niggas
February 13, 2008 5:37 AM
 

MattLee said:

i think it really just depends where you look.  if you do think about it, just realise that your favs now might not be on a major, but u can still support them by copping independents.

btw, tell dream hampton that we arent sitting in those social classes no more.  Cuz if that were the case and she's saying she's not bourgeoisie, then that means she's uneducated, she's poor, and unemployed.  And if we were sitting in those social classes, I'd probably have a slave (dream, Boss Up or illseed where you at?! j/k), I wouldnt be able to talk to anyone around me as an equal, and I'd most likely be a Marxist.  So before I accidentaly set us a few hundred years back, tell dream to check up her history and use better terms.

“I'm not bourgeoisie, puritanical or Christian, so what I think is vulgar—people pretending monogamy is some ideal, war, oppression, rape, women hyphenating their last names so n***as'll know they're married—others don't find offensive,”

You know what I think is vulgar?  When you try to make a positive statement about somethin being so wrong, and then you use the N-bomb to ruin it in mid-sentence.
February 13, 2008 7:32 AM
 

Dub_City Bomber said:

This is what the "older" heads have been trying to tell you all. The mainstream aspect of Hip-Hop is overall trash. And the real unfortunate part is most of todays REALLY talented artists have to fight politics for about a play a week on the radio, whereas the truly ignornant, self-absorbed, culture-degrading tribe is seen and heard all day....EVERY DAY on MTV, BET, and MTV2.

At 25, with a Bachelor's degree and a steady adult-life, I find that this stuff is jus one of the reason our youth are like this. Cause for the mopst part, they can't tell the perception of fanstasy and reality. They all see it as "He got paper, hoes, cars, and houses....what do I need school for?"  Then what you try to educate them, if you happen to not like their brand of music, most of the youth IMMEADIATELY dismiss it as "hating", like the term "dissent" never has been explained to them.

It's just sad. Look, I'm all for Hip-Hop changing and expanding, but it was supposed to Evolve. If THIS is your defiinition of evolution...we need to regress to progress...NOW!
February 13, 2008 7:37 AM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

  Streetweyez Sayles I didn't read your book fam but I did catch a few things.

1. The 90's era is referred to as the golden era not based off of sales but the quality of the music.

2. Dude you're talking about 90,91, and 92. I can name 40 classic albums that dropped in 96 alone....yeah...nigga I can't name 40 classic albums that have dropped this decade.

I do agree that Hip Hop is going through a transformation phase and as far as I see it, that's what's bringing hip hop back.
February 13, 2008 7:45 AM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

Support the underground or die.
February 13, 2008 7:48 AM
 

bigchief206 said:

the music today is just another manifestation of black self-hatred. they hate themselves and don't even know it. no sense of pride in who they are and where they came from. i heard TI say (like many rappers say) "we're rapping about all we see, all we know." is that all you know? you don't know love or companionship? even just kickin' it with your boys was that all it was about? supposedly killing another brother or poisoning a mother? you didn't go to the park? you didn't play nintendo or sega? you didn't just hang out and drink 40's or play cards? you didn't bbq? it's all about exploitation. there is no emotion in the music whatsoever. and if you study our music and no our music from swing, blues, jazz, rock n roll, soul, funk, and early hip-hop you know that what's on the radio isn't our music. our music has emotion in it. our music has always uplifted and had the spirit of the community in it. from "cloud nine" to "original gangster" there was always a message. it wasn't pure exploitation their was remorse their was conflicted emotion their were complexities, it was art. now a days these rappers are just doing their job. as long as they get paid they don't give a damn what they put out there.

another thing that gets me about most of the artists today is that if you buy one album you bought them all. it's the same shit from a different mouth. no concepts no nothing. it's all about how the listener of the album made them rich and they bought all of this shit with the money you used to buy the bull shit album. it's mind numbingly idiotic. i see all of these mainstream rappers as sellouts and uncle toms and should be outed as such. they're helping these corporations exploit us with their free marketing campaigns for cadillac and nike and gucci and all this bull shit. one of the reasons why our community spends more money outside of it than inside of it. all this instant gratification crap. also rap these days is giving these police officers and the justice system and white america (even though it shouldn't) license to stereotype us, racial profile us, and treat everyone who they believe is "hip-hop" like criminals because most white people's link to the black community is through rap and hip-hop.

we need to let the artists who are exploiting our community know that we're not going to let hip-hop go the way of jazz. we have to save our music. and the above 30 something artists need to stop talking shit about the music now and come out with some shit or help push an artists with your influence who is doing hip-hop right.
February 13, 2008 7:54 AM
 

daz156 said:

it's all Dre, Em and 50's fault, especially Em.....
February 13, 2008 8:40 AM
 

daz156 said:

what a garbage piece, seriously, CB hates rap but no reason is given for it, LL moaning about doing it for the love- you done i need love how many years ago to get girls buying your cd and every album after that you market yourself as some sort of sex god-get the fuck outta here prick you are part of the problem, dream hampton checks for exceptional lyricists like TI- LOL what the fuck ??!!! Statistics wrong or not put out in context( 42% etc wtf ?) and sorry to be the bearer of bad news, a change in the coporates is not what is needed, what is needed are people with values, principles and integrity. The record companies are clutching at straws and i reckon they will be dead in a few years unless we keep buying garbage from 50, TI etc...although i dont think that will be enough to save them....i could go on about this for a while but i am on lunch in my work and need to go now.....
February 13, 2008 9:04 AM
 

Kreem said:

I am 31, a former battle rapper, with two broken recording deals. Was I wack? No, I simply would not comply with the gimmicks and loss of creative control. I have moved on in life. My main goal was always to learn the biz side and be an artist. I guess I am a control freak but I need to be in charge of me dammit. Today, I am a college grad with two degrees, weighing my options for graduate school, either I’ll get a Master's, a JD, or PhD. I have 3 kids, been married twice, and divorced once. I love Hip Hop to the death of me, but today there are a small number of people I listen to, most of my collection is comprised of 90's and early 21st century material. Like Ghostface, Pun, Big L, Wu, Mobb, Biggie, Tupac, Kim, Remy (got to love her) and so much more. Of today's artists I'd say: TI (2 songs though), Luda... I just spent 10 minutes tying to think of any more but I can't.
The problem with today's Hip Hop is that it lacks creativity and also more significantly a balance. See, in the 80's there were party rappers and the emerging street rappers, then came the 90's with street rap (Meth, Red, Das Efx, Biggie to name a few), horror-core (GraveDiggas), sex rap (Kim, Foxxy), and here it is the conscious rappers (Common Sense, Latifah, X-Clan, Nas yeah Nas). Nas blended street with knowledge that is why lasted so long and then the Jay-Z beef made him relevant once more. All in all, if there were more options, Hip Hop could be enjoyable again. Instead, these inheritors of the Iced out phase brought on by Raekwon (he actually started that and Biggie ran with it) which was encouraged by Jay, Cash Money and so many more are what the kids are stuck with. Look 50 knows better than this but he is stuck making these songs cause of the kids. The fantasy of having diamonds (you can't afford) and slutty girls to do whatever you want (a population that has grown) and drive fancy cars (which you'll never have) motivates these kids to desire and focus on these things. But it will never come true. For this delusion, I blame the biggest inheritor and promoter of this madness, Jay-Z. He stole Biggie's everything and many of today's artists were influenced by him more than any other rapper that came out, ever. He is the reason why the game needs him cause he is one the last to be called "original" in this whole thing; every one else is copying him. Hence, Hip Hop is dead. When art loses creativity, all you are left with are copies... it is no longer art, it's a Xerox. Peace from a concerned man.

By the way, as for the writing, I am an avid reader of AHH, but I feel that the writing could be so much better. There are numerous typos, grammatical errors and poor sentence structure. You guys need to elevate your standards if you want to remain credible in the eyes of you readers and competition. Hell hire me, I've got the credentials like whoa!
February 13, 2008 9:12 AM
 

nercity07 said:

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People are quick to say "Hip Hop has given more black people jobs and got out of the ghetto" but unfort. so has crack cocaine. I truly have a love/hate relationship with rap music because that's what we're really talking about now. Hip Hop in the black community is pretty much dead because how many people do you know now a days are really all the elements of "hip Hop"?

I only see Asian kids break dancing and doing graf, Overseas you see more people like Kinaan practicing hip hop more than people over here. We as black and latino people (Because those are the two groups that started hip hop) let Hip Hop get to "hip" and lost the teaching. It was more than just rapping and dressing fly.

I agree with the one person who said Hip Hop now has given the police more reason to racially profile us.

For coprorate america hip hop isn't even scary anymore. Run DMC "Raising Hell" or "A Fear of A Black Planet" or even in "Texas" with the Geto Boys with all those pistols in each other's face white folks were scared! NWA said something we all felt with "Fuck the Police" because LAPD was on some serious terrorist bullshit.

Not everybody could be a rapper back then NOW everybody can be a rapper now a days. You can make an album from your computer. The days of the DJ is damn near dead.

And one of the biggest thing that is killing Hip Hop is "The Customer" Every Tuesday I use to be down at the record store and cop the new shit....now I'll go down there when Nas, Jay or any other 30 plus rapper comes out which is probably once every 8 months.

These young kids don't fiend for the rappers like we do. ZAP! they download/steal the music because that's the culture now.

Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin & Tina Turner can be on the grammies but if Jay-Z comes out with an album people are like "Retire Old head"? WTF???

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February 13, 2008 9:13 AM
 

C1ty1979 said:

I feel where these people come from. I am 28 pushing 29 and I have kids and a diverse circle of friends. Certainly as you get older your views, wants, and needs change, so will change your listening of music. Just think when your parents listened to Marvin, Stevie, Smokey etc... when they got older they were not checking for New Edition or Boyz II Men even though it was same genre. We all have memories of the "good ol days" no matter what it is (sports, clothes, cars etc..), it is what it is. I still buy anything Wu-tang cd's with hopes of recapturing what I
February 13, 2008 9:20 AM
 

bigplat said:

I have been thinking this for a while. I love todays Hip Hop, but ain't nothing like siting back and listening to some Eric B. & Rakim, EPMD, and the rest of the older Hip Hop I grew up on. My fiance can't stand it. When we have people over I always pump that Old School. I quess when you get my age(33) you start to reminise on the "good ol days" when you were growing up. I do listen to the new stuff, hell, I still hit the studio and make mixtapes of my new stuff (which is along the lines of current Hip Hop)all the time. BDS is killing my single" 334 Don't Play". Once again, Old school Hip Hop Reigns supreme!!
February 13, 2008 9:24 AM
 

Kreem said:

Let me add this: Here are the ones who rappers need to take a page from. The "best actual lyricists ever" is a list of the ten artists that put the art form first and could convey emotions, some wisdom, use words in a colorful, metaphorical manner and it was all simultaneously entertaining.
1. Ghostface Killah (many songs, especially off his first two LPs)
2. Tupac (how many brothers fell victim tot he streets? too many songs to count from just Pac)
3. Common (Sense)
4. The Notorious B.I.G.
5. Big Pun
6. Queen Laitfah (early work)
7. Redman (if you are a fan, then you know what I mean)
8. Kanye West (self-explanatory)
9. KRS-ONE
10. Black Thought (not really last cause damn he is really good with his)

Honorable mentions: GANGSTARR (NAME A TRACK), PRT (Shakira), Ahmad (Bad in the Days), Ice Cube (Today was a Good Day), Erick Sermon (his 1st solo effort), Kool G Rap (a lyrical beast), Prodigy (really he can't be denied), Mic Geronimo (The NATURAL), Lil Kim (The Notorious K.I.M. LP you had to feel her after losing Biggie). There are many more but I can't remember them all.  
February 13, 2008 9:31 AM
 

SaluateYaGeneral said:

NIGGAZ MAD CUZ THEY AINT EATING LIKE THE BIG DOGS......I USED TO THINK RAPPING AT 38 WAS ILL..TILL LAST YEAR I GROSS 38 MILL!!!! HOW REAL IS THAT!!!
February 13, 2008 9:51 AM
 

Young Caine said:

Mane, half you niggas is in da way. If you don't like what's being played now, fuck it. Just do like I do and whip out one of YOUR favorite classics and zone da fuck out. Music is timeless. No let me re-phrase that, GOOD music is timeless. So bottom line, you should never feel like hip hop is dead, or dyin, when Capital Punishment is still sittin on a shelf at somebody's record store...get it together people...
February 13, 2008 10:02 AM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

Stop wining losers. Hip-Hop has even gone soft now.
I don't see any cool hardcoretracks out these days.

And it's funny how these 30 somethings always forget
they were young once. You stupid ass. Don't tell me
you been listening to PE, WU, NWA and you were not
exited by the savage attitudes they brought to life.
All you guys cussed the fuck out, when NWA broke.
Y'all been fucking with Snoop, since he dropped and
none of y'all been buying his Albums for any sensual
shyth.

I'm also getting 30 this years, but I'll be still rocking
at 75 like James Brown did.
All you LLs out there. Read before you sign any contracts.
Then no need to complain afterwards.
February 13, 2008 10:19 AM
 

Cabana da Don said:

money kills art.true story.NIGGAS ARE LAZY LABELS ARE JUST CAPITALISING ON THE LAZY ARTIST WHO CAN'T FIND A WAY TO SELL.IN THE END OF THE DAY THE EDUCATED RAPPERS GAVE ROOM FOR THE WACK SHIT TO GROW.SHOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN THEM ROOM!!!!
February 13, 2008 10:35 AM
 

Souftexas said:

"I'AM HIP HOP".....I truly am. i feel like my age 28-30ish had some of the best shit ever.cause we got everything..and we still poppin...so HIP HOP AINT DEAD..to me.....I like what I like.. I listen to what I want to listen to...so how could it ever die???*curious* I stay in MY lane..as you should..
February 13, 2008 10:57 AM
 

The Stoop Kid said:

I blame the biggest inheritor and promoter of this madness, Jay-Z. He stole Biggie's everything and many of today's artists were influenced by him more than any other rapper that came out, ever. He is the reason why the game needs him cause he is one the last to be called "original" in this whole thing; every one else is copying him. Hence, Hip Hop is dead. When art loses creativity, all you are left with are copies...


i agree to some point in that...but you can't really say he stole anything from BIG. BIG ain't here no more and their styles were different. maybe the sound was similar cause they were cut from the same cloth hints "The Commission". but overall you are right. The game is dead because this nigga brought in the "cris" and "Bentley" dreams that every rapper claims to have accomplished. its everywhere from the lyrics to the videos. its all the same, just watch BET for a day and see if you don't feel just alil bit insulted. i mean nobody is goin left to the road "less" traveled. nobody except for the likes of Nas, Common, Lupe and Kanye. and they get put in a back pack consious box. i hate that category. they are MC's. not back packers nor rappers. its alot of rappers but few MC's and if this stays on the course, there would be no more new bred MC's. i feel sorry for the babies growing up with this garbage at arms reach. for real
February 13, 2008 11:41 AM
 

ThatDamnJay_ahh said:

<p>I agree about the balance. It's been missing for a minute now (at least where it's most highly visible, i.e. Radio and television), and its missing is definitely pushing the industry towards more nihilism. </p>

<p>There's also definitely a generational gap. But I can understand that. That's something that's not exclusive to hip hop, and I doubt it's ever gonna change. With that said, my folks used to listen to SOME of the same cats I used to listen to, so I'm not too worried about it.</p>

<p>Great article. Yall should be having more sex tho. :lol I don't think hip hop is dead, or even dying. I actually think the industry's SLOWLY becoming self-aware, and may even look to heal itself. Time will tell on that tho. In the meanwhile, raise your kids. Peace.</p>
February 13, 2008 12:59 PM
 

DetroitsDaughter said:

Good one, Chuck...

I'm 31, sometimes I hate it too. I love the culture, and the ingenuity of hip hop. I love how it won't give up. I love a lot of the older music, and I am a huge Jay-Z fan, and pretty much anything that comes out of my hometown of Detroit is great...

I think as far as the teeny-bopper music goes, I have a kid who's 12, we have to let them have their music, however, the sad thing is they rule the radio but not the stores. Hence, Soulja Boy getting more spins than anything else, but not really selling the way it was expected. Radio in my city is a joke. You are not going to hear Royce, Slum Village, Black Milk, Phat Kat, or pretty much any other Detroit artist on the radio, except the one hour local show. We have actually started to ignore them all together and spend more time and energy on the internet.

Hip Hop is perfectly imperfect and that is one thing to love about it...Plus, it has influenced worldwide culture more than anything else to come out of America in years...

It's funny how this topic is so inflammatory...

February 13, 2008 1:34 PM
 

dondada03 said:

I totally agree with this article... I grew up on hip hop... And you ask me to name 10 current artist I like today... I could only come up with 6.

The youth doesnt know where hip hop came from... I had to school some kids on E.P.M.D., Rakim, Kool Mo Dee, Big Daddy Kane, Ice T, Eric Sermon, Etc...
February 13, 2008 2:05 PM
 

SaluateYaGeneral said:

IF I HAD A SON I WOULD LET HIM LISTEN TO THE LOX, BIG, NAS ,GHOSTFACE, FAB, RAN, BUDDEN, RAE, STACK BUNDLES

NONE OF THAT SOULJA BOY OR LIL WAYNE CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 13, 2008 2:23 PM
 

SaluateYaGeneral said:

AND IF I HAD A DAUGHTER I WOULD LET HER LISTEN TO LIL KIM AND FOXY
February 13, 2008 2:25 PM
 

bluknight2k said:

It you are 30-36 and you listen to Soujah Boy, then of course you will hate hip hop.  Soujah boy is not apart of that generation of hip hop.  Just because the music came out during that generation of people do not give anyone the right to say what hip hop truly is.  It is an expression will continue to do so when the 30+ people are 60+.  Then this cycle will happen when the kids listening to Soujah Boy start complaining about rap when they are 30+.  This is not any different than you parents who think old school R&B is better than new school!  It all the same arguement.  I'm 34 and can not stand some hip hop due to a preference style of my liking.  I prefer Common or Kanye over DJ Unk or D4L, but that does not mean they are any less Hip Hop than anyone else.
February 13, 2008 3:44 PM
 

hotfire82 said:

I'm 25 and I started listening to rap when I was 12 and I can tell the difference between rap back then and rap music right now. and I am also flustrated with the state of Hip-Hop as well.

Well I'm a put my opinion like this on the state of hip-hop b/c I read this article a couple of days ago. And I felt that alot of good points were made in this article like the Hip-Hop the Industry has really fucked up Hip-Hop the Culture which is true. I just feel like when Pac & BIG got killed I figured that's the day that Rap died seriously. Because most of these cats that's out here now not putting out anything of importance anymore and really do you think that if Pac & BIG was alive today do you think half of these cats would be in the game like Jeezy, Wayne, Souja Boy, 50 cent ? Hell when BIG & Pac was having they thing in 96' I remember when Jay-Z first came out wasn't nobody listening to him. And if them two were still alive today Jay would have not been as popular or as big for that matter, as Pac and Big were back in the day. that's just my opinion.
February 13, 2008 4:23 PM
 

hotfire82 said:

But don't get me wrong I still have some love for Hip-Hop just not as much as I used to b/c this is what I really think is wrong with Hip-Hop in general I think that the reason why the music doesn't sound like shit and make artist look bad is b/c you the labels done stepped in and it's like they called the shots on what songs is put out in the mainstream instead of letting the artist put out the songs that they want to put out to me that is the biggest problem with Hip-Hop is these labels.

*And I do agree that if you are 30 & up your most definitely are not going to like Souja Boy hell I'm 25 and don't like Souja Boy or none these other bubblegum acts.
February 13, 2008 4:34 PM
 

Lord Hade said:

"I love Hip-Hop, I just hate the N*ggas in it" - Phonte Little Brother

This sums up how I feel as a 32 year old B-Boy.  2000 saw the coming of the "Wack MC".  Hip-Hop is severly lacking originality.  The industry attempts to copy the formula that has granted certain artists platinum success, and has tried to apply it to no talent individuals.  This cannot be done with everybody, and rappers should take note themselves, to try and break the mold.

Hades
February 13, 2008 5:00 PM
 

PRESTO said:

Peace ... I can feel this being a 3?ever years ive been on this blue marble ... I have looked and hated what was comming out and my thing is if the DJ's on the radio are speaking out for a change and want that good ... then y arent they doing something about it ... I have learned 2 overstand and sit back and see that times change ... this is gonna be a golden era for this generation in 10 years .... but when they get to their 30's where will their mentality be at ??? Mos def not where mine and others is because we grew up on knowledge in Hiphop music and a lil crap here and there ... but now its on some show people how u can shine ... and the fans are disappearing into the relm of I wanna be a rapper 2. Now I find myself taking my poetry and putting that into rhyme and building on that is my personal rebuttal to whats going on between me and the radio ... for me its just creativity and a love for something that i am and what people are mocking ... Hiphop Kulture. Im on some if the youth are listening 2 it .. make it something that will not kill them off but build them up ... shake ass music is always gonna be cause me and my underground loving self will go shake my ass 2 some shake ass music in the club like a pretty boy doin the most ... yall gotta na meen ... na meen .. and i have Soulja Boy's (Yaahhhtrickyaahhh) as a anwser tone ... that is some fun shyt ... feel me ?     FUN SHIT !!
February 13, 2008 7:39 PM
 

hater hurter said:

mainstream music has become fun so now people dont like it but if it was still political then they would say its to preachy

I say enjoy it cuz tomorrow u could die or go def.

good artical and i like they way they formated it.
February 13, 2008 7:56 PM
 

Shyheim_ahh said:

lol@that picture of Missy with her eyes blanked out.

...Anyway, the article pretty much summed up how I (And, of course, many others) feel about Hip-Hop--The Industry has (and still is) is killing it.  It's more than obvious.
February 13, 2008 10:31 PM
 

canipost? said:

EVERYTHING WITH BEATS AND RHYMES IS NOT HIP HOP. EVERY SONG POSTED ON THIS SITE IS NOT HIP HOP...I THINK PEOPLE FORGOT THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN THE REAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE PRESENTS SOMETHING TO  YOU AS HIPHOP DONT MEAN IT IS...ITS JUST MARKETING STRATEGY...YOU BE THE JUDGE. THE STATE OF HIP HOP IS FINE...IN MY CD CHANGER AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS. TURN OFF THE RADIO! UNSUBSCRIBE TO B.E.T
February 13, 2008 10:49 PM
 

Glisten said:

Ya I agree.. The Hip Hop I grew up listening to doesn't run the mainstream like it used 2 back in the 90's and 80's. And I hate to say this cuz im from the south by the south plays a big role in what hip hop has become because we got it on our back right now.. I feel Hip Hop is in its most negative stage right now and hopefully will get better... Lyrics have no meaning, they glorify the drug game and their wrong doing, and their is no creativity... Everyone sounds the same.. Back then rappers had a balance of they put out.. perfect example 2pac... Pac had alot of songs u wouldn't want ur kids listening 2 but at the same time he has a lot of songs u could.. I believe the sincerity of the music has been lost and there needs to be destruction of the game for it to be resurrected..

How many songs from our generation can you actually say are classic Hip Hop songs that people will be listening to in the next 20 years or so.. Theirs hardly any.. From the 80's and 90's theirs plenty of songs i will always be stuck on.. But at the same time old rappers don't fit in this era.. We need new cats to come to make HITS on the radio that brings a positive movement for Hip-Hop
February 13, 2008 11:39 PM
 

Haughville said:

jigsaw! good piece my guy.....wish i could have got here earlier, alot of good views expressed in this joint. (smiling staring at the screen lookin' stupid) you know, good music transcends time, i'm 30+, and i want to add a something that i don't think was addressed...RAPPING OVER A BEAT IS NOT HIP-HOP! how the fuck did all of my old skool heads miss this point. Hip-Hop is the culture, this culture includes djing, break dancing, graffiti, and yes, rapping/mcing...the first thing we must do in know "OUR" culture and not allow corporate amerikkka to define a genre that we originated, developed, and defined. no, hip-hop is not dead, it'll live on forever...i still bump biz, the juice crew, grandmaster flash and the furious five, stet, and just-ice. but i also bumps com, kanye, 50, dre, outkast, nas, and jay-z.
i believe the music we listen to is a look into the mind and soul  of the listener....we feel music, and when it moves us we hold it close...alot of the newer shit isnt for the over 30 crew, that's a given...but our lesser developed youth can relate. i can remember my moms tellin' me that the music i listened to in the early 80's wasn't real music and she'd go into her stax, motown, and sounds of philly spill.....so this shit is a cycle that is forever evolving. we created rap music, but we cant expect it to stay the same. that's the beauty of the art. rotate to what feels good to you, and let the rest keep it moving....remember, hammer was considered rap, n.w.a wasnt embraced when they broke on the scene...and at one point, if you wasn't from philly or nyc you wasn't a real rapper...all in all, everybody gets their turn and this arguement will last forever....kinda like religious debates...didnt the home girl erykah badu say "hip-hop is bigger than religion"? i'm just glad to see this type of conversation jumpin' off about some shit we made....
February 13, 2008 11:49 PM
 

chuckwaters said:

Actually Hip Hop hasnt changed much, its just that only one or two of its personalities are in the mainstream right now.
February 14, 2008 7:14 AM
 

alms said:

There’s more to life than sounds, but cool sounds are pretty cool......

When I was younger I’d never heard of hip hop. I’d only heard of rap. I listened to Run DMC, Fat Boys, Beastie Boys, Big Daddy Kane, Young MC, M.C. Hammer, Vanilla Ice-- the real commercial stuff. Then I came to learn that rap music was based in a whole culture of living and the music was just an element of this lifestyle. But really, all I cared about was the music, the melodious sounds; whether the sounds be labeled rap, rock, techno, whatever. Sounds that made you feel good about life, even if it was angry, sad, mellow music, whatever. My mother was spinnin’ records when I was in the womb. But the sounds don’t always feel so good anymore. The greatest thing music can do is inspire someone to do good, the worst it can do is to inspire someone to do bad. The last 11 years of my life have been 70 percent devoted to nothing but “hip hop” (in the broadest sense of the word) activities. Believe me, as big as life is, that’s a HUGE chunk of time. …Radio, what happened to ya’ll. You can’t listen to that stuff for more than a few hours. Back in ’98 I’d listen for 24 hours straight and at least every hour there was something that would get me hype. It’s like internet killed the radio and MTV. And what happened to realism in music. 2pac died. Biggie died. That’s real shit. They talked the talk and walked the walk. How’s some 40 year old who lives in Beverly Hills, sends his kids to private school, has a chef and a maid, going to tell me about drugs, killin’, and bein’ the meanest mothafucka when he’s exercising, on a health diet and kissin every execs. ass to promote his fictional stories. Truth in music is what touches people. Then they have the audacity to talk about how real they are and that they’re just telling their life story when they lifted 50% of their rhymes from a gangsta movie. If you really out shootin’ people, than go head rap that shit. I’m gonna “feel the realness”. Music can tell real life stories. Most of the music now just seems like bullshit braggadicio  for car riders who wanna keep their ego gassed to drive straight. For 11 years I tried everything I could to make money off of music. I made $50 offa mixtapes, got some trinkets and tickets from the radio station, met some cool people and got into a free show. That’s my profit off of hip hop. It’s like they gave me a handshake and a pat on the back and said “Just keep buying our products sonny.” So KRS I don’t know how you can say stuff like we can make businesses and corporations off of hip hop, and support our people. Maybe you’re just selling a bogus message and I’m so desperate I’ll swallow anything. Maybe I’m in the wrong ASPECT of hip hop. Maybe I need to give up my whole musical past (from birth) and switch to graf writing (which I know nothing about). I’m sure I can build a better world by doing graffiti. I think ya’ll is robots and I’m the last real human alive. And, oh yeah, I’m over 30 and I think “crank that soulja boy” was a pretty dope joint. Merlot and e-mail don’t mix.
February 14, 2008 8:40 AM
 

ThaGrizzly1 said:

Hip Hop is dryer that an old pop tart that has been sitting out for a couple of days! lol.. fuk the local "R&B & Hip Hop" stations they'll play whatever Viacom tells em to play.... just like someone said earlier subscribe to xm for that real shit... especially raw xl that the shit!
February 14, 2008 11:15 AM
 

sillyme said:

I aggree with od.
February 14, 2008 11:16 AM
 

curtis75black said:

I still love the music but I don't like the way its pushed ! There isn't a balance on the radio and video anymore. you can't even check what you want to anymore unless its on the internet and that's a shame. Melle Mel told us back in the Beat Street rap "don't be a slave to a computer" and we do it today constantly. The lack of noise and promotion for Positive acts and music hurts me because it wasn't like that. With every N.W.A. track you heard there was also a De La Soul track waiting. Now it's all Plies and Souljah. Its too corny. The vulgarity, you can pass because you don't have to listen to it, but you shouldn't have to turn off the radio or turn the channel.
February 14, 2008 5:40 PM
 

thecampaign said:

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February 15, 2008 12:16 AM
 

bigchief206 said:

I think Jay Z is trying to rectify what he destroyed. His newer music is nothing like old crap. "I thought I told you I'm not a rapper." Then you should've stopped rapping. He made it okay to do music for business purposes strictly. I think that's why 'pac went at them so hard he knew what they were doing to the music. He knew what Bad Boy and Jay Z and all that bull shit was going to do. Inventing the remix, that is the worst thing to ever happen to hip-hop and rap. Doing a remix is admitting you don't trust your own material enough to push another track off your album. You have to remake some shit you just did. Just look at it. As soon as 'pac died. Here come the flashy versace shirts, big budget videos, gucci, bentleys, all this bull shit. That the community wasn't really rockin' or giving a fuck about. They said fuck the community, fuck pride in black, fuck remorse for your sins, fuck giving back without a camera around, fuck all of that shit and worship money because that'll do more for you than love for your family, people, and community will ever do. Lets glorify the violence and the drugs. Let's make clothing lines and over charge for them knowing that our communities needs clothes they can afford. They destroyed hip-hop.

And we let them.
February 15, 2008 9:57 AM
 

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February 15, 2008 11:30 PM
 

scotty boy said:

I dont care how old u are or how old u feel..if you still got hope for hiphop..then check for THIS!!


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February 18, 2008 2:37 PM
 

Draus said:

Everything is what you make it.  That's like saying Korea makes terrible cars, so now the whole automobile industry is garbage.  Hip Hop aint necessarily dead.  The love for skill is not what it used to be.  The love for the best music out there and innovation is not what it used to be.  The business side of it took over the airwaves.  But that's cool with me.  The airwaves gotta make money to operate.  They gotta generate audiences to sell advertisement, so they push what they think people want.

The truth is people will take whatever you give them.  Now, if given a choice they will take the best, and the best aint necessarily socially-concious music.  If that's the case, we need socially concious everything.  Before there was ghetto music, there was the ghetto.  Before there was gangsta rap, there were gangstas, and yes, there were kids dying in the streets before niggas started rappin about it.  It just so happens that the music fits the gangstas more than anything.  Gangstas need music too, just like lovers need music to make love too.

As far as sales go...  You are NOW armed with the tools you need to go find good music.  I'm sorry, but it aint gonna always find you, you gotta find it.  Hip Hop is something you gotta stay Hip to.  If not, you will miss a lot of good shit.  If you depend on the labels to give you everything, then you will only get what is good for the labels.  They are going to work with what's good for them, not necessarily what's good for you.

Hell, to me, this oversaturation of music is making me appreciate the good shit more.  I don't illegally download music.  I record shit off allhiphop.com's media zone, but I know you only get a rough, preview version.  It lets me know who is making that heatrock though, and I can keep my soldiers up on what's new when they hop in the whip with me.

Because of all the shit I consider wack, I appreciate the shit I consider good.  I appreciate it enough to buy it, and with services like I-Tunes, and Rhapsody, I don't gotta buy a whole gotdamn album.  I can just buy the single for a dollar.  Niggas be bitchin about spendin a dollar, but a dutch costs more that that, and a dutch doesn't get more than one use.

Y'all lil mo'fuckas is scared to use a credit card or somn?  You aint gotta buy whole albums no more, just use your credit card, or buy a I-Tunes gift card.

Mo'fuckas be lookin at the dark side of the cloud, but I see the silver lining.  Thanks to the Internet, I aint gotta wait till shit comes on the radio to hear it.  I can hear it on-demand.  Nowadays, shit is On-Demand, and that's what's great.  But the RIAA should be prosecuting the shit outta people who do illegal downloads.  I aint gonna go to burger king and just start snatchin shit and saying "This Whopper aint even worth the money, so I wanna eat it for free".  If I don't want a Whopper, FUCK BK!!!  I aint lookin for handouts.

Rappers gotta eat too, and nowadays, you aint gotta wait for major labels to release shit.  You can download their freebies, go to Independent Artist's soundclick pages and pay as little as 75cent for a song, and burn it to any CD you want.

Back in the days you had to buy a fuckin tape, and record shit on the radio when you was lucky enough to catch it playin.  If you aint like a song, you had to fast forward the whole joint, no skipping tracks.

You got access to millions of artists, and you are basing your tastes off of what the majors give you.  Fuckin Sheep.
February 19, 2008 9:42 PM
 

Draus said:

Nowadays, THERE ARE MILLIONS OF INDEPENDENT ARTISTS making music about any and everything.  There are so many good artists out there you should NEVER be without anything to listen to.

You can get it when you want it!!!  You are just waiting for handouts from major labels WHO AINT EVEN IN THE FUCKIN STREETS, or know what the streets want to hear.

Every other comment poster is a artist advertising his music, but NO, you won't go check them out.  You would rather wait for the Music Gods from way up high to TELL YOU WHAT IS HOT!!!

The problem aint the music, it's the listeners.  You got access to more music than every, and you don't even have to leave the crib.  You can download a song for a dollar, BUT THAT'S TOO MUCH.  I am about to Get in my Chevy, go to the Liquor Store, and spend 4 Dollars on a 211, and 3 Black and Milds that won't last through tonite.

I will hunt on I-Tunes, and Spend 1.98 on two songs that I got a chance to preview, or used to love and will listen to whenever I want to on any CD I want.  

I check out allhiphop.com because there are good artists on here who put out exclusives and I want to know what is happening in the music industry.  I am also smart enough to know that the Music Industry doesn't hold the exclusive rights on music.

There is more music out there than ever.  Unfortunately, that also means that there is also more BAD music out there than ever too.  It also means there is a lot of GOOD shit out there, and some GREAT shit out there too.  You just gotta be open-minded enough to check for it.

When someone posts a link to their shit, CHECK IT OUT.  You don't need an industry insider to tell you it's OK do you?  Does your mommy tell you when you can go out?
February 19, 2008 9:52 PM
 

Draus said:

Nowadays, THERE ARE MILLIONS OF INDEPENDENT ARTISTS making music about any and everything.  There are so many good artists out there you should NEVER be without anything to listen to.

You can get it when you want it!!!  You are just waiting for handouts from major labels WHO AINT EVEN IN THE FUCKIN STREETS, or know what the streets want to hear.

Every other comment poster is a artist advertising his music, but NO, you won't go check them out.  You would rather wait for the Music Gods from way up high to TELL YOU WHAT IS HOT!!!

The problem aint the music, it's the listeners.  You got access to more music than every, and you don't even have to leave the crib.  You can download a song for a dollar, BUT THAT'S TOO MUCH.  I am about to Get in my Chevy, go to the Liquor Store, and spend 4 Dollars on a 211, and 3 Black and Milds that won't last through tonite.

I will hunt on I-Tunes, and Spend 1.98 on two songs that I got a chance to preview, or used to love and will listen to whenever I want to on any CD I want.  

I check out allhiphop.com because there are good artists on here who put out exclusives and I want to know what is happening in the music industry.  I am also smart enough to know that the Music Industry doesn't hold the exclusive rights on music.

There is more music out there than ever.  Unfortunately, that also means that there is also more BAD music out there than ever too.  It also means there is a lot of GOOD shit out there, and some GREAT shit out there too.  You just gotta be open-minded enough to check for it.

When someone posts a link to their shit, CHECK IT OUT.  You don't need an industry insider to tell you it's OK do you?  Does your mommy tell you when you can go out?

www.myspace.com/drausmusic
February 19, 2008 9:53 PM
 

Mysterygrimms said:

I defintiely agree with alot of the views expressed in this editoral. I was an early adopter of Hip-Hop music. Started in the 80's, then 90's. Also I appreciated some stuff in the early 2000's as well. But now? Hip-Hop ain't really saying much anymore. Well the acts that are promoted all over the radio, and television currently. There are still some very good Hip-Hop artists, albums, music, etc.. out there. It's just a little hard to find, due to the lack of promotion, label support, and budgets these artist's have to work with unfortunately.
February 20, 2008 12:17 AM
 

KOSGOD said:

Peace bigchief206,

MC's and rappers have been talking about material things since the early and mid eighties.

My Adidas - Run DMC - 1986


La Di DA Di - Slick Rick - 1985


Grand Puba was one who made Tommy Hilfiger popular in the early 90's.

Talking about and wearing the latest fashion trend was a part of hip hop back then. It's what kept everyone in tuned with the latest fashions. I agree, it has gotten out of hand but still, it's nothing new.
February 20, 2008 5:04 AM
 

tupacfan35 said:

I think Jay Z is trying to rectify what he destroyed. His newer music is nothing like old crap. "I thought I told you I'm not a rapper." Then you should've stopped rapping. He made it okay to do music for business purposes strictly. I think that's why 'pac went at them so hard he knew what they were doing to the music. He knew what Bad Boy and Jay Z and all that bull shit was going to do. Inventing the remix, that is the worst thing to ever happen to hip-hop and rap. Doing a remix is admitting you don't trust your own material enough to push another track off your album. You have to remake some shit you just did. Just look at it. As soon as 'pac died. Here come the flashy versace shirts, big budget videos, gucci, bentleys, all this bull shit. That the community wasn't really rockin' or giving a fuck about. They said fuck the community, fuck pride in black, fuck remorse for your sins, fuck giving back without a camera around, fuck all of that shit and worship money because that'll do more for you than love for your family, people, and community will ever do. Lets glorify the violence and the drugs. Let's make clothing lines and over charge for them knowing that our communities needs clothes they can afford. They destroyed hip-hop.

And we let them.

You speak the truth, I'm not 30 yet, but This current genre of mainstream rap and hip-hop is just so sad and terrible right now, it's a crime.

And pac is probably laughing in heaven right now.
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