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I’m Over 30 And I Hate Hip-Hop 
Published Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:45 PM
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By Chuck “Jigsaw” Creeekmur

There is a change going on with the people that were raised on Hip-Hop during the Golden Era and the 1990's.


Has a generation that adored Hip-Hop like a newborn started to hate it like an invasive degenerate?


LL Cool J, Kevin Powell, Tha Hip-Hop Doc, Planet Asia and a lot of 30-somethings discuss these changes.


John Williams is hosting a festive gathering in his spacious home in the lower regions of Delaware – Middletown to be specific. On an unseasonably warm winter day, his closest friends and family surround him and they all celebrate the newborn twins that his lovely wife birthed late last year. With his doting wife, his children, his home and his career, all of which are in perfect order, John is happier than he’s ever been.


Despite all his joy, on this day, he finds one topic symbolically provides a brooding, grey cloud over the otherwise beautiful affair. Now, clocking in at 35 years old, John Williams and several of his friends cook a cornucopia of delicacies to share inside his home. He and his similarly aged friends of different races and walks of life weigh in on Hip-Hop, a culture they loved and grew up with, but now have grown to dislike.


“Rap was fun in the 80’s. Political in the 90’s and is mostly just plain vulgar these days. I believe that the culture in the United States is changing as we become more materialistic, sexually perverse and self absorbed,” John says later after the crowd disperses.


For CB, a retired battle rapper with a wife and two sons, rap is just wack now, he complains. An admitted East Coast partial fan, he says, “Nowadays, I cant even name 10 artists that I really like. Lets see,” he ponders. “Joell Ortiz, Joe Budden, Royce Da 5'9, Common, Lupe Fiasco, Kanye West, TI, Black Thought, Crooked I and that’s about it. I’m stuck at nine.”


Despite his admiration for a few, CB treats most current Hip-Hop music like dirty porno magazines in the 70’s. It stays hidden from his kids and wife.




“I have certain artists that I like that Idea will play alone in my car to and from work and such,” he admits. “I won’t watch any Hip-Hop videos around my sons [aged four and six] or listen to any Hip-Hop music around the house as I don’t really find anything that is suitable for their ears. Occasionally, a harmless song will come on a local radio station that I may let slide.”


In 2007, approximately 3.8 million Americans turned 30, studies say. Statistically they are 42% older than all Americans, lost approximately 10% of their muscle mass and are likely to be having sex 2.24 times a week to be exact. Most have acquired a certain amount of experience via their breadth of experience, travels and personal interactions.


Rani G. Whitfield, a medical doctor that calls himself “Tha Hip-Hop Doc,” says that a number of changes occur when a person turns 30 as it pertains to urban culture.


“The music has changed significantly, but so has the level of maturity at age 30. Raising children, marriage, and social networks all influence when, where, and how we listen to Hip-Hop,” Whitfield maintains. “Thirty-year-old parents generally make sure their children don’t live down to fake notions of Black masculinity that too often are epitomized in rap music.”


Congressional hopeful Kevin Powell says the radio and other entities are structures that have changed the complexion and complexity of Hip-Hop.


“I love Hip-Hop - the culture - but I have a big problem with the FCC, Hip-Hop the industry, and anyone who cannot see how destructive the lyrics and images [have] been, for at least the past decade, to young people, especially the young people of color who created Hip-Hop in the first place,” says Powell, who through the years has written about an assortment of artists like Tupac and penned several books.


“I listen to everything, I do not believe in censorship,” continues Powell. “What I do believe in is balance in how we present ourselves, balance in how we view and treat women, and balance in our understanding that if you put negative out there, that it is going to come back to you sooner or later.”


Back in the day, John Williams used to do a mean Michael Jackson-style moonwalk across a broken down cardboard box. He also expanded his creative mind by learning graffiti and realized he was a lousy DJ. And his many Hip-Hop incarnations are distant memories too. Dr. Up Rock, Jammin’ J and MC Mayhem, his alter egos, were laid to rest years ago. His favorite years are the golden era of Rap, when he was a teenager. This is when he argued fervently in the high school lunchroom about who was the best: Rakim, Kool G. Rap or Big Daddy Kane. He always fought for G. Rap, but still loved Rakim and BDK. He also treasured and admired Boogie Down Productions, Public Enemy, X-Clan, Poor Righteous Teachers, Lakim Shabazz and others for their ability to spread wisdom and incite revolutionary thought.


As the 80’s gave way to the 90’s, Williams relished in other burgeoning collectives like Rap-A-Lot, Death Row, Cash Money, No Limit as well as rappers such as Big Pun, Canibus, Mobb Deep and others that impressed him on all fronts of Hip-Hop. He also argued that Nas was better than Biggie and Jay. All of these acts were good for the game…and for a booming business.




Jenn Robinson, a self employed political consultant, was reared on rap acts like De La Soul (and other eclectic forms of music) and is completely sickened by what she hears the music industry machine pumping out.


“I think [Hip-Hop now] is disgusting and that it makes Black people look uneducated, and ridiculous. I believe it perpetuates the perception that there are two types of Black people – the educated type and then the rest,” the 35-year-old mother of three says. “I think the general Hip-Hop audience looks at the educated people as the ‘sell outs’ and then the educated people look at the Hip-Hoppers as the ‘thugs.’ It does not bode well for bridging the gap.”


With Hip-Hop entering its mid-thirties, there is a significant difference in what a 30 to 40-year-old appreciates and a modern teen – the latter being a music marketer’s chief target.


The aging rapper/Hip-Hopper/DJ is quite prevalent (think Jay-Z, Nas, Dr. Dre, Busta Rhymes, WC, Ice Cube, LL Cool J, DJ Kay Slay, Will Smith, Scarface), but the older Hip-Hop fan is not necessarily still loyal to them for a multitude of reasons.


Many older artists are still making music chiefly for the youth and, while their age might match up, the notion of popping bottles, flashing ice and other similar behavior doesn’t necessarily correspond with a spouse, kids, a mortgage and the pursuit of stability.


For some, closing the curtain on Hip-Hop isn’t necessarily a negative thing.


“I don’t think it can be fixed. I think it’s a generational thing. This, for whatever reason, is what people are buying and want to listen to now,” says Ken Swain, a 32-year-old software engineer in Southern New Jersey.


LL Cool J has endured changes in Hip-Hop since the 80’s, but he feels the only changes needed are on a corporate level.


“I think that it’s about 19 records that we hear all the time [on the radio]. It’s a little nasty. It’s a little disgusting,” Cool J says. “That’s probably the only thing I would change in Hip-Hop. I would mix it up…so people could get a balance.”


The rapper says that he felt that his longtime label Def Jam no longer supports the type of Hip-Hop he creates. “I’m doing Hip-Hop for the love of Hip-Hop,” he says.


Planet Asia, a rapper from the West Coast, has been out since the 90’s and said that the age gap is simply the way things are. Get over it, old heads.


“Kids don’t want to be hella uptight. A lot of these dudes get of age and then they are like, ‘Oh, we need to clean up Hip-Hop,’” he bemoans. “That’s bulls**t, if you are damn near close to 40 of course you gonna say that, but you can’t tell an 18, 19 year old kid to stop saying ‘n***a.’”


Writer/filmmaker dream hampton (lower-case spelling is a style point) isn’t one to dismiss Hip-Hop, no matter how talking heads like Bill O’Reilly may rally. Even when her daughter was a child, dream says she mandated her child listen to certain songs such as Biz Markie's “Pickin’ Boogers” and dead prez’s "I'm an African."


Hampton, a 30-something Brooklyn resident, admits she doesn’t have a “Hip-Hop Jones” anymore, but still admits to checking for exceptional lyricists like T.I.


“I'm not bourgeoisie, puritanical or Christian, so what I think is vulgar—people pretending monogamy is some ideal, war, oppression, rape, women hyphenating their last names so n***as'll know they're married—others don't find offensive,” she admonishes. “I always find language fascinating. Sometimes it's oppressive, sometimes it's self-destructive, but rarely ‘vulgar.’"




Powell adds that disdain for Hip-Hop is not exclusive to the old heads.


“I think people of all ages are saddened by the state of Hip-Hop, the industry. I hear it from teenagers all the way up to early 40-somethings, any of us who grew up and came of age with the culture, know the history of the music, and know the kind of quality, across the board, that once existed. It is an understanding, on some level, that there is a big difference between Hip-Hop culture and the Hip-Hop industry, and that the industry side, which passes off anything as good music, has done major damage to Hip-Hop culture.”


These days, the 30 and up crowd have greatly expanded their listening – or have gone back to the very music they grew up loving.


John Williams and others interviewed for this story expressed pleasure in listening to Beyonce, U2, Joss Stone, Maroon 5, M.I.A., White Stripes, Ne-Yo, Omarion, Amy Winehouse, Ciara, Gwen Stefani, Feist, John Legend, Leela James, Lily Allen, Mary J. Blige, The Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, Rakim. G Rap, Lyte, Pharcyde, Talib Kweli, Fabolous, Outkast, Nas and a broad, colorful assortment of other artists.


Furthermore, other cultural elements become important to the aging rap head.


“The bottom line…at age 30, the decision to celebrate the culture and true elements of Hip-Hop becomes more important than just enjoying the music,” says Dr. Whitfield. “But how could you not get up and dance to “Planet Rock”?


And now John Williams is left with decisions in the midst of his changing life.


After being the consummate B-Boy, Williams is hopeful even though he has relaxed on listening to Hip-Hop.


“If you really listen, you hear the variety coming back to rap. I’m not a fan of Souljah Boy, but I can appreciate that he’s relatively harmless and fun for the kids,” he says weeks later. “On the other side, Public Enemy, Talib and Common all dropped albums in the last year. I’m actually happy. There’s room for everything, but some of us old heads just have to look harder and support more.”


** John Williams is a real person, but his name has been changed, because he doesn’t want people to think he really hates Hip-Hop. His wife is happy and his kids are healthy.



Comments

 

mistacofe said:

Great article that touches home for me.  Having grew up in Mt Vernon NY and the Bronx right down the street from me, I literally grew up on hip hop.  I believe, as has been said in the article, that BALANCE is really missing right now.  In the 80s and 90s, you could hear a Wu Tang song, but you could also hear ATCQ, and then MC Hammer. Nowadays, it seems as you arent hearing the same balance. As a husband/father/uncle I really don't want my kids listening to the vulgarity that seems to dominate the radio, thank god for sattelite radio!
February 12, 2008 11:18 AM
 

K Gumz said:

Thats cool i'm over 20 and sometimes i hate it too

http://kgumz.blogspot.com/
February 12, 2008 11:19 AM
 

MAK™ said:

REAL TALK!!!!

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-MAK-
February 12, 2008 11:28 AM
 

Simply Dat Nigga said:

WHO IS MR.CRISIS??  You wanna know who he is? he is a WACK ASS myspace rapper that sucks HELLA buns. You all can thank me later for saving you sometime from listening to this wack ass nigga and all you other niggaz tryin to promote ya'll selves on here need to stop already cuz ya'll niggaz justa bunch of myspace rapper that are FUCKIN TRASH!!!!
February 12, 2008 11:28 AM
 

b eaze nigga said:

WOW NO OTHER COMMENTS, BUT LET ME WEIGH IN MY OPITION. I'M A 27 YR EDUCATED BLACK MALE AND TO SOME DEGREE I AGREE WITH THE DEMISE OF HIP HOP, I MYSELF LISTENED TO THE LATTER END OF THE 80'S AND EMERSED MYSELF IN THE 90'S AND EARLY 2000 BEATS AND RYTHMES. RECENTLY I HAVE BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED IN WHOM IS PLACED ON THE RADIO FOR ONE A LOCATION STATION HERE IN DELAWARE PLAYS THIS SILLY SONG ALL THE TIME YEAH THE BEAT IS INFECTIUOS BUT THE LYRIC SAY NOTHING. I REMEMBER SITTING IN MY ROOM BACK IN 94-96 AND STUDYING THE LYRICS UNTIL I GOT A BIG VERSE DOWN OR A BLACK MOON HOOK JUST RIGHT TO WALK DOWN THE STREET AND SPIT IT HOW THEY DID ON RECORD, GOING TO THE RECORD STORE ISN'T EVEN FUN ANYMORE. MAYBE IT'S JUST GROWIN'  UP BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ROLLIN STONE FANS WHO WILL GO TO THE WORLDS END TO SEE A CONCERT WILL THAT BE THE SAME WITH US OR WILL WE JUST MOVE ON AND LET THE MOVEMENT THAT WAS ONCE POWERFUL DIE...
February 12, 2008 11:30 AM
 

Money Man AL said:

WHO IS MR.CRISIS??

WHO IS MR.CRISIS??

find out on at myspace.com/crisisworld
February 12, 2008 11:46 AM
 

odeisel said:

hip hop doens't nee dto be cleaned up.  there was way worse contnet back in the days.  ther'es a bit of revisionist history going on here.  It was not all good back then and there were even more gimmicks.

muscially there could stand to be a bit more creativity in the mainstream but there ar efar more creative rappers out there than there ever were. but the supposed biggest fans of hiphop are too lazy to look for them and are dependent on radio, which in itself is funny because we never used to depend on it.
February 12, 2008 12:18 PM
 

JRucker said:

I'm over 30 and I still love and appreciate Hip Hop. There is a lot of bullshit out there but there is also a lot of creative stuff too. We may be missing the message that old school hip-hop use to provide to us, but I wouldn't go to the extreme and hate hip hop. What else is there? Where we gon turn to - Country? Gospel Hip Hop? To the old heads in the game that hate the game right now - Step up. Get back out here and give us some of that old school - 2008 shit. Quit hatin these lil young cats for gettin their paper. That bullshit you hatin on isn't going to last long anyway. Come back and bring us some real shit.
February 12, 2008 12:19 PM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

There's nothing wrong with Hip Hop and if you're depending on the radio and the television for real Hip Hop then you're stuck. Mainstream and I repeat MAINSTREAM Hip Hop may be suffering, but undergroung Hip Hop music is thriving. People like to talk down abou the quote unquote myspace rappers but that's just giving people the opportunity to hear something they otherwise would never hear. Support the talent that's coming from the underground or shut up or die. Plain and simple. Stop complaining about Hip Hop on a mainstream level and find out where the next local underground show is and attend, otherwise you're running your mouth and wasting time writing this type of commentary. Fuck mainstream Hip Hop.

www.myspace.com/thirdsupremelegend
February 12, 2008 12:27 PM
 

JigsawTheGod said:

i wrote this - i still love hiphop...i definitely would like to see artists push to be more creative and thought provoking AND have a broad appeal.. i think thats missing right now.
February 12, 2008 12:27 PM
 

H8ME? said:

Ok we all know Hip Hop has changed.....

From the beginning , the golden era, til now. The game changed.

I'm  sure that Kool Herc, Treachous 3 & few others from that era were sayin the same when N.W.A  & gangsta Rap hit the airwaves in the early 90's. Then it switched again back to its roots per say, with Nas, Wu-Tang, Jay-Z etc ..etc... Which leads us to what we have today. Hurricane Chris, Soujah Boy, & the supose leader LIL Wayne.

I think the creative side  (real mc's)was lost for a minute.. But the future looks bright to me..

Kanye, Lupe Fiasco, Joel Ortiz, Joe Buddens, etc.  Can hopefully keep hip hop alive.


HIP HOP FOREVER !
February 12, 2008 12:27 PM
 

crysis6 said:

Ill article.  Im 27, and I feel what he sayin.  Theres gotta be room for growth in the music and the culture, cuz thats the only way hip hop has and will continue to survive.  But nowadays Im listenin to my ipod over hot 97 and power 105 at all times.  The game just aint the same as it was when I was comin up, and it wont ever be the same again.  Which I accept cuz like I said, growth is a good thing... but where its at now, it needs to change.  Its a fact that rap goes in cycles, and will come back to the streets like it did in 98-99 wit the def jam movement, survival of the illest, and all that.  Its gonna come back to the lyrics, but right now we at a different point, and I hope all these new cats that are taking advantage of where its at now could keep a spot in the game and keep gettin money when it does change again.
February 12, 2008 12:37 PM
 

INANYSTATEOFMIND said:

Hip hop today isn't made for 30 and over people. Hip hop back in the day wasn't made for 30 and over people.  When these kids growing up in this era get older, they won't like anything that gets put out by the newer rappers either. Some of us over 30 year olds can appreciate some of the newer rappers. It's the ignorant wack shit that we hate.
February 12, 2008 12:38 PM
 

WhatIsReallyreal said:

Props on the article. It causes one to consider several things, but first I must say the writers/editors at allhiphop in general and jigsaw in particular...you HAVE to step your proof reading game up. Seriously. When you attempt to write a thought provoking article like this you can't allow it to run with basic errors...it hurts the credibility.

Anyways.

No doubt the hip hop industry has hurt hip hop culture, but why is this? To what extent is the culture embracing the industry and to what extent is the industry diluting/growing the culture? In other words, we are all consumers and what we choose to buy, watch, and support influences those who decided what should and should not be marketed.

Also, I think the reason people who are 30 plus tend to view hip hop in a different/negative light is not only because the nature of the music has changed but because they, as consumers of information, also have changed. At 30 one's expectations are different. During the 80's and 90's someone who was 18-25 may have felt hip hop was a legitimate social force that could yield significant changes in practices and attitudes, while the same person 10-20 years later may no longer believes such things. They may have become more cynical, less hopefull, or just more involved with their own immediate situation (kids, mortgage, spouse, job) than the larger, more general issues of society. Not to say the two things must necessarily compete.

At the end of the day its only music, which is not to say that the messages within the music cannot make a significant impact, but it isn't just about the artists. People who aren't making the music, but love the music and the culture (the "positive" portions anyways) need to be educators as well, need to take an active role in illustrating the positive and redeeming features of the music we think and know is valuable. Why is it valuable, what can it change, how can it alter and grow perspective? We need to make sure those who doubt hip-hop's significance understood these central issues.  

Bottom line...no matter your age, if you feel hip hop is dying or that it is a fragment of what it could/should be, then help change that. Strive to change the opinions of people who possess oversimplistic, uneducated views. And most importantly, support the artists you feel can make a difference.
February 12, 2008 12:41 PM
 

Git your Ciaras on » Blog Archive » I???m Over 30 And I Hate Hip-Hop said:

February 12, 2008 12:46 PM
 

Durk Niggler said:

I'm over 30 and I dont know if I ever will stop listening to Hip-Hop, artist like Kanye, Lupe, Common, Little Brother, Jay-Z they keep me listening I make sure me kids listen to these artist to just so they know that it's true art form. Everything changes if we want it to or not....then we all have to realize the people saying rap has changed is the veterans from back in the day and they do get older so there is a lot of shit they aint going to like or appreciate...the older you get your taste changes aybe for the better.
February 12, 2008 12:48 PM
 

SOLRAC20022 said:

Hip Hop is on life support
February 12, 2008 12:54 PM
 

odeisel said:

no it isn't.
February 12, 2008 1:04 PM
 

Moorish Brother said:

I'm 40 & I dislike the majority of mess played on the radio.....Hip Hop music getting spins on the radio is dead......Hip Hop culture is alive, you have to search for it...

Beenie Seigle's new album is hot...
February 12, 2008 1:14 PM
 

thehiphopnerd_08 said:

let's stop complaining about the state of Hip-Hop (no matter the age) and do something about it...go out and support good music, search for it 'cause it is out there, and stop supporting the wack...the artists/labels/radio stations will get the hint when their dollars disappear...

http://thehiphopnerd.blogspot.com/
February 12, 2008 1:15 PM
 

PEACETOTHEREAL1 said:

I don't mean to come off as disrespectful or anything like that bro but I'm tired of this subject. Do me a favor, write a piece about your top 10 favorite indie label or underground artists. Do a piece on Little Brother, 9th wonder, Buckshot, or Sean Price for that matter because that's real Hip Hop and it's here. The internet is destroying sales across the board so the playing field of the mainstream is going to even out eventually. There's only a matter of time before real Hip Hop returns to the Mainstream but untill then, you have to support your artists. Peace.

www.myspace.com/thirdsupremelegend
February 12, 2008 1:30 PM
 

infamous writah said:

Theres a lot of wack rap that were being fed and theres people that are eating it up.  im from cali and all i get fed is fucken hyphy music and snap music but to years ago i was getting fed death row, nas, biggie, puff, no limit so the varity is missing now.  what im getting at is these radio stations need to mix it up and for the music industry A & R's need to be fired for not doing there job.
February 12, 2008 1:31 PM
 

J-DUBB THA YOUNG HECTIC said:

i got a song called "my chick is rap" where i talk about how rap change from good material to materialistic. come check it out
http://www.myspace.com/jdubbthayounghectic  


February 12, 2008 1:39 PM
 

Shalom said:

Anybody who hates Hip-Hop or claim its not catering to the older generation needs to slap themselves, including homie who wrote this piece.

That’s like saying an entire city is dangerous just because one tiny part of the town is grimy.

There’s rap music for EVERYBODY. The problem is that people are too lazy to find the music they enjoy.

It amazes me that with all the technology in the world people STILL claim that Hip-Hop is dead or is dying…AMAZING!!!

And those same people are quick to bootleg or download artists who they feel represent the culture.

Un Amor

-Shalom
February 12, 2008 1:42 PM
 

Okoron said:

Hip-hop is alright, i don't see anything wrong with it. the way people are complaining and pushing this thing about hip-hop is way played out god. people should take a break. let the new ones do what they do and let the past be the past. u can't bring back the 80's and 70's no matter what u say, do, argue ecc.. just stop the noise. hip-hop this hip-hop that give hip-hop a break and let it re-build itself.
February 12, 2008 1:46 PM
 

P Floyd said:

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February 12, 2008 1:48 PM
 

hustlin_bwoii said:

theres a lot of things wrong wid hip hop, its dead, thers no meaning or direction to it, hip hop is lyk a whore
February 12, 2008 1:56 PM
 

Coma said:

Hip Hop Lives....you just have to spend money to see it and hear it.

Either go to the shows and see the artists that do REAL Hip Hop perform.

or;

subscribe to XM Radio (66 RAW in particular) and hear that real shyt that folks have been missing.

I'm over 30 and used to feel that way until I got XM.  

Viacom and it subsidaries (BET, VH1, MTV, MTV2, MTVu...hail, Nick) all are there to support the "coonery" at it's finest because it makes money and its entertainment for them to say

"LOOK at these NI**AS actin like they just got off the train (Underground Railroad.)!!

February 12, 2008 2:14 PM
 

Aries1 said:

Great Article indeed. My thing with Hip-Hop is of course the balance musically.  Music/Art is a representation to the human mind, which consist of many different thoughts and perspectives. Im 26 yrs old,  and I am indeed thinking like these guys too,  but I do open my mind to today's music, and I will admit that I am disappointed as a listener to great percentage.  There is a need of balance within different subject matters in hip hop, in order to stay fresh. It's almost like a fruit stand, you can't just sell apples, you have to have a variety to stay in business.  The radio stations need to put in spins with some todays artist, but also include more Lupe's, Common's, Kanye's, even the old schools trying to bring it again.  Add some Neo-Soul r&b with today's R&B.  VH1 Soul and BET J are my channels, cause they got varieties of music that gets my mind jumping.  There is a lot of unknown talent that the industry ain't tapping like Little Brother, Nicolay, Foreign Exchange, Panacea, TAbi Bonney, and the list goes on.  I get mad when I hear these guys by word of mouth, and I hear the music for myself and wonder why these guys can't get on.  It's even more sad when you have people like Gene Simmons of KISS, to even say that hip hop needs variety to stay fresh in the game.  The torch has been passed, but it is not shining too brightly. HIP HOP, step your rap game up. Peace.


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February 12, 2008 2:35 PM
 

Amarie4911 said:

I don't hate Hip hop, I hate today's rap music. But I humble enough to realize that it ain't for me to like. I don't think that it should be banned. Some stuff just needs to be played after 9 pm whne most kids should have their as*es in bed. I grew up on hip hop/rap music whatever you choose to call it. Today's music has totally turned me off because it seems like the music corporations has turned it into a commercial product full of gimmicks and hidden agendas. Rap music has been raped and has no soul anymore.
February 12, 2008 2:42 PM
 

scotty boy said:

Look its like this old school new school. dont matter no reason to hate this generation not everybody is making garbage there just putting a lot of the same out hip hop neeeeedss a make over something different but fresh something like that new cat anonymous k..that dude is about to se the game on fiiiyyyahhhh!!! do me a favor, dont believe a word i say see for yourselves guarantee youll love hip hop again!


www.myspace.com/anonymityk
February 12, 2008 2:53 PM
 

H8ME? said:

  Coma said:
Hip Hop Lives....you just have to spend money to see it and hear it.

Either go to the shows and see the artists that do REAL Hip Hop perform.

or;

subscribe to XM Radio (66 RAW in particular) and hear that real shyt that folks have been missing.

I'm over 30 and used to feel that way until I got XM.  

Viacom and it subsidaries (BET, VH1, MTV, MTV2, MTVu...hail, Nick) all are there to support the "coonery" at it's finest because it makes money and its entertainment for them to say


I agree wit you all the way  on this one.
February 12, 2008 2:54 PM
 

Mighty H.A.M said:

I'm A 27 year old male who grew up loving Hip-Hop I repeat Hip-Hop This new shit that's going on is just rhyming to music there is no creativity anymore I can hear a new song on the radio or video and recite it word word in the first listen it's all too predictable money money hoes and 24"s wtf is going on and it's funny the audience they're reaching out to really can't afford these things except for the ones from white Amerikkka but the average shorty from the hood can't afford unless he go's out and sells drugs and the imagery it shows our little girls is if he aint ballin outta control don't mess with him so now where dose this put us as a people a culture of teenage mothers and and a bunch of ex-cons who have now been stripped of there chance of ever achieving real success trust me I know from experience
February 12, 2008 2:54 PM
 

eatoratedsr said:

In all honesty I have heard this same argument over and over again. It feels like the 30 year old and older crowd wants to look back at the primarily east coast rap of the 80's as some sort of Golden Age also it boils down to what you are buying and I don't think you can say you hate "Hip Hop" it would be more correct to say you hate rap or thegimickrey that goes on you couldblaime it more on Pauola or the fact that Hip Hop as a culture has allowed it's elf to become like that when you have a bunch of self righteous incense burners attacking anything that doesnt sound like Paid in Full or Criminally minded and then wonder why as a culture Hip Hop is dieing the blame is at your feet 30 year old rap fans and Underground purists instead of welcoming the younger acts and fans tot he table the same thing that killed hardcore punk is happening in which a group of embittered scenesters try and stifle any originality because it's not how they want it music is about growth and personal expression if that involves Common rapping about love and spirituality good if that involves Young Jeezy rapping about pushing weight do you in short we must all learn to be open and what is really killing Hip hop isn't the gimmicky one hit wonders, trap rappers or guys from the south it is the "backpack" rap movement and it's elitist reactionary out look
February 12, 2008 3:04 PM
 

Patillac said:

There is nothing wrong with "Hip-Hop" in my opinion. It is just up to the fans... The ARs are only focusing on what the fans like anyway. I'm just tired of hearing that "Hip-Hop is Dead..." We all know damn well that "Hip-Hop" aint dead... I mean if there is a particular rapper that I didn't like, I wouldn't go and listen to their song... There are many types and styles for fans everywhere...
February 12, 2008 3:10 PM
 

MaryJanesHusband said:

I'm 30 and I stillove hip hop. There is a lot of bullshit but I just stay away from that.
February 12, 2008 3:53 PM
 

lil_mikey_da_gooch said:

I'm 31 and I love hiphop. It will never be like it was, we just have to kinda pick and choose because back then it was kinda all the same. There are rappers that I won't listen to because my opinion is they just through some trash out to make ringtones. When i was  teen we had tapes not CD's or downloads. We had to pick wisely at who we wanted to hear and we learned EVERY word on the tape  word for word. Albums like " Walk with a panther", paid in full, Grip it to tha other level,  and Doggystyle is over. I don't know how we can bring it back if possible.
February 12, 2008 3:56 PM
 

anomali_ygb said:

i'm 23 and for the last 2 years haven't been into all the hip-hop that comes out. it's a crap shoot with all these people talking about the same stuff but occasionally you do get some good stuff that comes out under the radar. i'm tired of the radio and some of the myspace stuff, they keep that b.s. going and people think its hot
February 12, 2008 3:56 PM
 

JayAllah said:

im 23 and i have to say i know what my mom ment by when i grow up i wont like the new music coming out.  and in fact she is right to some extent.  hip hop in the 80s and 90s not everyone was doin it, but now everyone has an unlce with a studio which is cool.  radio play has always been a problem to me anyways, cause you always see artist try to find something with less curses and a bop so someone can jam 2.  thats y i like the creativeness of kanye, lupe and nas just to name a few of how they dont need those big records or upity beats to shine.  i started listining to hip hop in the mid 90s and its a big difference from 95 96 to 2005 and 2006.  hip hop was always for the young heads and now the old heads are growing older its time for a metamorphis in the game.  like in high school i use to listen to dipset all the time and i thought they were hot, and then i grew up and realize they arent really saying shit and it was disturbing.

besides 2007 seems to be what hip hop was missin, i seen a lot of upcoming artist and a lot of albums that kept me goin to best buy every other month.. think about it..

american g
graduation
ti vs tip
findin forever
eardrum
the cool
freeway
lilttle brother
8 diagrams
buck the world

we actually got to see quality music and quality albums coming out instead of commercial songs on every track.
February 12, 2008 4:45 PM
 

live.love.laugh said:

Hate??? Naw, I wouldn't go as far as to say I hate it. BUT, i do get his point. You really cant buy an album now, and play it ALL the way thru. They dont make albums like that, anymore. Now it's like only 2 or 3 cuts that you actually like. And THATS why poeple download! With the exception of a handful of artists out there, Hip Hop isn't what it used to be. I hate to say it, but if feels and sounds like it's not ours anymore.
February 12, 2008 5:06 PM
 

JigsawTheGod said:

i'm 16 and i dont know what they are talking bout....hip hop is great!!

on the serious tip, kevin powell talked about balance and thats what it is - there is a lack of tht now. somebody made reference to the "golden era being an east coast thing" -NOT. it was an explosion of creatives that dide all sorts of different styles and whatever. it really had little to do with any east coast bias and everything to do with the wealth of music coming out at the time. everything from run dmc to just ice to kool g rap and kane to rob base to de la soul to public enemy to rakim to heavy d. the list goes on and on.


frankly, you can make the same argument with the golden age as the mid 90s. there is a lot of resemblance in those two eras in terms of diversity in the music and that is reflected in the story,, the names were no limit, rap a lot and cash money as well as the roc, def jam, bad boy and death row.

when you hit a certain age or more importantly a certain MATURITY LEVEL, you cant quite relate to somethings or some stuff just isnt appropriate.
February 12, 2008 5:07 PM
 

BosLanta said:

I am 23. Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, Little Brother, Nas, and Jay-Z were the only hip hop artists that seen a dime from me this year. I am a "music" buyer, if you will. There is very little "music" in hip hop today. I think new artists should take that into account instead of trying to make a quick couple thousand bucks, and not being relevant the next year. Here it is 12 almost 13 years down the road, and I still know all of the words to "Juicy", and "Dear Mama". The artist aren't all to blame though. The fans want something totally different now. But the labels are basically telling them what they want. Where does change start?
February 12, 2008 5:30 PM
 

tianna2683 said:

this happen every generations w/ music their parents didn't run dmc etc. dude called solja boy harmless lol. I guess he approve of supermaning hoes.
February 12, 2008 5:41 PM
 

JigsawTheGod said:

change starts from supporting the artists that we want.

demanding more out of BET/MTV/corporate radio OR turning them OFF.

finding those outlets that do support what we do like AHH.

its pretty simple: put your money where your mouth is.

also, hip hop has a stigma attached to it that its only for people up to like 30. thats just not true. we have to allow artists to mature and artists have to be willing to be  true artist and reflect that.

there are a lotta layers. the sad thing is a lotta acts will just do whatever it takes to get that quick buck. its hard to fault them when u look at the economy.
February 12, 2008 5:46 PM
 

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February 12, 2008 5:49 PM
 

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I KINDA AGREE BUT I DONT LISTEN TO MAINSTREAM PEOPLE I STILL COP CDS FROM PEOPLE WHO WAS DELIVERING IN THE 90'S EXP. E40, BROTHA LYNCH, MOB FIGGAZ, TOO SHORT
THERE IS ONLY A COUPLE OF NEW GUYS I EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO LIKE GUCCI MANE, KANYE, TI, MISTAH FAB, HOODSTARZ ETC. IN 26 SO WAS A TEEN IN THE 90'S BUT MY SON IS 4 AND HE LIKES KANYE AND SOULJA BOY JUS FIND WHAT YOU LIKE AND LISTEN TO IT THERES ALWAYS SUMTHIN FOR EVERYONE

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February 12, 2008 5:56 PM
 

MICNIFICENT said:

im 26 and live in Australia...i grew up on hip hop since i can remember and i can say Hip Hop just aint the same as when i was growing up...and maybe for a minute i thought its because im older now and it just doesnt have the same effect it once had on me...

what i see now is alot of artist just copying eachother and doing the same things, same producers/same sounds as every other artist...but hip hop is definately not dead or on life support....Hip Hop is alive and well and we just got to be more selective of what we listen to...search through the trash and find the treasures...

we also need to throw wack rappers off stage like the old dayz...lol.
February 12, 2008 5:58 PM
 

blastchoas said:

hip hop is timeless well some of it
February 12, 2008 6:03 PM
 

poe said:

I'm under 30 & sometimes I hate what's being pushed & what's not being pushed


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February 12, 2008 6:05 PM
 

TOHN007 said:

@live.love.laugh

I agree with you, I dont want to go so far to say I HATE hip hop. These days everything is so watered down that there are not any truly great albums coming out. I remember listening to a Tribe album and just letting that shit bump all the way through.  I'm 31 and I have come to grips with the idea that most of the shit that is coming out these days, just aint for me. It's for the younger generation. That's why I mainly listen to all the old shit. Classic hip hop to us is like Motown music to our parents, no matter how old is gets, it is still timeless to us. I just wish that us older hip hop heads would still show out to support our generations artists when they tour. I saw Big Daddy Kane live recently and it was one of the best shows that I have seen. I think it is a shame that older hip hop artists can go out and tour together and make money. Hell the Whispers and the O'Jays and Maze still go out and sell out arenas but we dont hold the same reverance for our hip hop artists.
February 12, 2008 6:10 PM
 

Aries1 said:

Also, I would definetely like to add my two cents in on creativity.  Creativity is a big deal appeal to music, and in the category of hip-hop, it's close to non-existence.  There is a dyer need of creativity, not just in marketing or stage presentation, but in the music in general. I mean remember songs like,"Me and Mrs. Jones"?  The title in itself was creative,  because you don't even hear the singer ever say," I bonin' yo wife."  The singer gives you a mental tease, and I missed that shit.  Creativity is a must bottom line. Peace.


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February 12, 2008 6:27 PM
 

chocolaterain said:

Most rap music today is bullcrap!! Point blank no excuses....most rap music is real trashy these days.
February 12, 2008 6:27 PM
 

IronHorse said:

1st off, aint no snot nosed nigga born in 1990 and up gonna tell me when to stop fuckin with a genre thats still new to them in the 1st place. Ever heard the term 'I was here 1st' so i'll say what the fuck I wanna....pause.
2nd, everybodys views are all over the place, hell yeah hip hop is dead, as soon as it was regarded as a legitimate genre that could actually generate millions like all the other genres and accpeted by white people it was dead, we just didnt realize it yet CAUSE WERE STILL NEW TO THE MONEY AND THE INDUSTRY....MONEY DID THIS, ALL THIS FAME & FORTUNE IS NEW TO BLACK AMERICA AS A WHOLE. NAME 1 TIME IN HISTORY BLACK PEOPLE HAVE EVER HAD THIS MUCH NOTORITY AND MONEY? RIIGHT.... ALOT MORE BLACK ATHLETES, ENTERTAINERS, DOCTERS, LAWYERS ETC MAKING MONEY IN 2008 VERSUS 1984... THE FACT YOU CAN BE THAT EVERYDAY NIGGA FROM DOWN THE BLOCK NOW AND MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITHOUT GOING TO JAIL DID THIS....HIP HOP BECAME A WAY OUT ...A "SHORT CUT" TO FORTUNE, NOW EVERYBODYS DOIN IT...ITS BECOME THE FAD THEY SAID IT WAS IN THE BEGINING...
Its Dead meaning, no more innocence or individuality to the art form, theres no more "for the love of it" if your one of those cats they call you 'backpack' i.e. look how kanye had to go overboard just to avoid that title and that hate crowd.
Niggas treat this like just another 9 to 5 or hustle, not a culture....thus hip hop is dead, the color is gone from it...it doesnt stand out without shock value or some kinda gimmick attached to it, nobody stands up for shit no more as soon as he does niggas act like he got AIDS or some queer shit...hip hop has BEEN dead kid, if your JUST realizing this cause nas said it, and then argued about the meaning and got nowhere fast, yes you ARE apart of the problem and in denial...
What you young niggas need to stop taking so personal is how a generation of people who witnessed BRILLANCE, fuck what you wanna call it nowadays after the fact with all this internet BS...we experienced BRILLIANCE 1st time around, from melle mel to the geto boys, thats shit felt amazing and there was really no other feeling like it growing up in the 80's hearing or seeing hip hop on TV or a magazine or something cause that shit wasnt happening AT ALL and you absorbed that shit as much as you could cause it felt so fresh & new.
New age niggas get so salty when they keep hearing all this, I feel sorry for ya'll microwave niggas cause your like heartless zombies with no soul and no inspiration but "gettin it" and this internet crap...lol... all this new shit is stomach turning for some of us from a different era. You just gotta accept that and stop being a punk on the internet about it, talkin about fuck this & that to get your point across...thats what I  hate...how a bonified legend can be fronted on just cause the young niggas wanna see someone else blow...what is that? Thats gotta be the most homo trait of this new era. Who are you to tell someone when their time is up? who the fuck you supposed to be...
Than all the "your just a hater" bullshit, what in the blue fuck is that? hater? why resort to some open ended slang term when 98% of the shit just aint good? why you think you only hear the same 5 or 6 names year after year getting all the press?
Then niggas turn around and have the audacity to wonder why the game is so wack now...my goodness...
See I can got pop in the 1st snoop or the 1st Wu, or whatever and close my eyes and Im right back in that place, that feeling, ya'll niggas dont got NOTHING...
1 guy was sayin its the backpackers who are ruining the game or something like that...thats exactly what I mean, if not them, a purist who just loves how the beat rocks... who's gonna step up for the purity of OUR OWN SHIT? niggas from the south? jesse? sharpton? shiiiit, let them backpackers do their job and love the game for it just being the game, somebodys gotta do it.....
I guess we just say fuck it now, ignore it and let it wither away for the sake of not giving a fuck just like them pop motherfuckas do to their shit? This is why niggas from the south get so much heat cause they got a "we aint hip hop, its all the eastcoast fault" mentality and really aint adding on to the game but a ringtone fad and more niggas from up their block from their hood with hardly any skill.
Alot of people take that shit personal, can you blame them? I can't...The consumer suffers not the artist so yeah niggas get vexed and speak out cause their music aint sounding right no more...
But can you blame a region who is JUST getting their shine after all these years to support every nigga who comes along just to see 1 of their own win, as long as hes from the south? I can't....its a new age segregation thats happening between south/new york..or the 'eastcoast' let some of ya'll tell it....But niggas just wanna win by any means and some things get shut out for that to happen, in this case, balance....
You cant expect the 'new guy'(the south) to have all the answers or speak up about any of this shit right now when they still working on their own identity? and you cant talk about this shit WITHOUT bringing up the south cause that shit is hip hop just as much as Premo is no matter how you try to run from it or slice & dice it...
The problem is that theres 80,000 voices with 80,000 solutions and only 1 true problem. LL is sayin it needs to change on a corporate level....true, but that aint happening tommorow or nothing so you cant take his views into accord that much, but thats what HE sees... planet asia is a below radar underground "backpack" MC if you will...he said something you would expect outta young joc or someone to say, will he get support from these new age kids now cause he said spoke how some of them may feel about 'old rappers'? nope. This is the age were in now. Everybody got an opinion and they use the internet to pop off about it.
People with no responsabilities or kids or just havent reached maturity yet dont mind an orgy on wax or a drive by on mp3 or the out of control shit that goes on, they dont see anything wrong with this shit! they just blurt "hater" and K.I.M...They arent thinking about nothing but what time the party starts and who sung the hook...and dont forget he GOTTA be from the south for it to be IN...the new thing to hate is the birthplace of all that is and forever will be hip hop, why? again, what the fuck is that shit? Thats like sayin fuck africa for the sake of sayin it... I cant call this shit to save my fuckin life...

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February 12, 2008 6:47 PM
 

chocolaterain said:

hip hop is the new Disco? raped and destroyed
February 12, 2008 6:51 PM
 

Aries1 said:

@ ironhorse:

I'll co-sign on that. Speak on it, brah.
February 12, 2008 6:53 PM
 

nercity07 said:

It's called "Hip Hop" for a reason people. I am over 30 and I don't get everything that is said because I'm not "Hip" to the music of these youngsters.

Though I find most of this music out now wack as s**t I am not going to start sounding like my parents by saying "Back In My Day Our Music was better"

Though I wish the radio would start playing more Common, Mos Lupe than Soulja Boy and all those other lames, it is not for me to say what's "Wack" because I am no longer "hip" with the music that is out now.

That is why I go to my 30 plus shows and see Common, Jay, Mos, Wu-Tang etc.

Hip Hop has ALWAYS been an underground railroad for the youth to express themselves...30 plus people can't get mad now that we can't understand the lingo.

That is all.

Peace
February 12, 2008 6:56 PM
 

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February 12, 2008 7:09 PM
 

nercity07 said:

Damn! IronHorse....

I agree. You broke that shit down.
February 12, 2008 7:09 PM
 

R G said:

The Radio is fuckin up the game. The play the same shit 2 and 3 times a hour. Theres got to be a change at the top. Have more of a change of pace in the radio rotation. People will like it if they get a chance to hear it.
February 12, 2008 7:19 PM
 

TCS said:

I don't think that the 30 plusers are mad about the new trends, I think it's that the artform of hip hop is dying. Creativity is dead (word to 50). Lyrics are dead (word to Soulja Boy). Consciousness is dead (word to rap music). So while I can't say that I don't listen to HIP HOP, rap is a form of genocide that misrepresents the truth and idolizes negative images and thought patterns. There is no defense of the genre, it is in all ways a detriment to African Americans. I'm starting to think Black History Month may be a part of the problem too...let me know what you think...

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February 12, 2008 7:20 PM
 

Coolj300 said:

yeh im over 10 and i sumtimes hate rap too...









lol
February 12, 2008 7:25 PM
 

Coolj300 said:

and i agree w/ TCS
February 12, 2008 7:25 PM
 

TCS said:

I don't think that the 30 plusers are mad about the new trends, I think it's that the artform of hip hop is dying. Creativity is dead (word to 50). Lyrics are dead (word to Soulja Boy). Consciousness is dead (word to rap music). So while I can't say that I don't listen to HIP HOP, rap is a form of genocide that misrepresents the truth and idolizes negative images and thought patterns. There is no defense of the genre, it is in all ways a detriment to African Americans. I'm starting to think Black History Month may be a part of the problem too...let me know what you think...

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// TCS
February 12, 2008 7:28 PM
 

nova tha don said:

aye to all you old schoolers who sang that old song i want you.....your the one i want...... i need you..... your the one i need
February 12, 2008 7:36 PM
 

KOSGOD said:

30 here. I don't listen to the radio at all. I just collect old joints. I just copped "The Jaz -  A word to the Jaz". The year 1990 was THE year for me.

February 12, 2008 8:00 PM
 

double yous said:

"In 2007, approximately 3.8 million Americans turned 30, studies say. Statistically they are 42% older than all Americans."

yo, how the fuck is someone '42% older than all Americans?'
someone explain that last comment
February 12, 2008 8:22 PM
 

RhythmatikMusic said:

Im only 23 and i hate what hip hop and what it stands for now and  what it has become, the culture to me is still alive in the underground though there is alot of very dope artists and alot of positive movements so its kinda bittersweet. They say that it has evolved but changing isnt alwys good and when you have a song like"Yrah" by souljah boi that was the end for good hip hop ever having the chance to see the light of day except for people like COmmon,kanye. I try to keep the undergorund my mainsstream lol and not pay attention to the radio anymore
February 12, 2008 8:24 PM
 

WhatIsReallyreal said:

@ double yous...

I was thinkin the same shit...either something was left out or...i don't know what, even if it wasn't a typo or omission what does a stat like that really contribute to any discussion....42 percent older than all Americans....??? I'm guessing it meant those who are 30 or over are older than 42 percent of Americans...

February 12, 2008 8:31 PM
 

AkdmkJeanius said:

it's a copout to blame the hate for hiphop on age.

It sucks and it's set black people's global perception back by decades.

I still blame the media for this.  The FCC, record companies, and media outlets felt NO responsibility to our culture to keep positive uplifting portrayals of our culture at the forefront.

I realize now that non-whites have a very skewed vision of what our culture is and what it's supposed to be.  Most younger black s and non-blacks altogether feel this "culture" of ours is just entertainment.  

And now I realize why hiphop pioneers used to call rappers who got commerical reception sellouts.  They were attempting to retain black control of our perception.  Well we surrounded that control in exchange for monetary compensation.  And this is the end result.

I talk to many under 30 somethings who feel that same way.

It's not just rap either, it's urban music in general.  They don't play social or revolutionary soul singers on the radio or television anymore and that was way before my time.

Every decade the establishment strips away another black stripe and we surrender it for nothing in exchange.

We need to build, own, and retain our media outlets for black culture and staff them full of people who feel and have a cultural obligation.  Never again can big business be allowed to compromise who we are as a people.

 

February 12, 2008 8:49 PM
 

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February 12, 2008 8:51 PM
 

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Nothing wrong with nothing they said, its all real and true and thats the problems most the time. I'm 19 so i don't get on the high horse about it being disgusting and shit, but I don't like bland corn shit, I like original individualistic music, so that wack shit can die.

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