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D12: For Doz That Slept 
Published Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:30 PM
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    By Biba Adams
    The film, The Dirty Dozen, released in 1967, is about 12 convicts who are asked to team up to complete a secret mission during World War II. Men from different walks of life, they coalesce and achieve their goal, no matter the cost. Not all of them make it out alive, in fact, most of them are killed, but the mission was accomplished.

    This was the premise that Big Proof had in mind when he walked through the now legendary, Detroit Hip Hop Shop and whispered in the ears of the hottest MCs. He was going to form a rap crew of the best that the city had to offer and present it to the world; that was the mission. However, it soon proved difficult to get and keep 12 men together as a group.

    Time and circumstance would eventually turn The Dirty Dozen into the D12 that we know today, six men each with two personalities: Proof/Derty Harry, Eminem/Slim Shady, Bizarre/Peter S. Bizarre, Kon Artis/ Mr. Porter, Kuniva/Rondell Beene, Swift/ Swifty McVay.

    The image “http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19908865/original.aspx” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.With time, Shady Records grew into a brand. Eminem was its founder and flagship artist, D12 was holding its own with successful albums and touring, despite their reputations as the labels resident Bad Boys. “D12 was like a testing ground for Shady Records,” says Kuniva. “They would bring an artist around us first to see how we got along, if they could hang with us, they would sign them.” Eventually Obie Trice would be introduced to the world with good results but not before the signing of 50 Cent to Shady/Aftermath would create a legend.

    Through all the ups and downs, D-Twizzie would remain solid and successful until the early morning hours of April 11, 2006 when their group would fracture and their lives would change, forever. DeShaun Dewitt Holton, best known as Proof, died after an altercation with Keith Bender, a fellow Detroiter and an Army veteran who was celebrating his recovery from a heart problem. While the circumstances of the night remain unclear, the result was devastating. When the smoke cleared, Proof lay on the floor of CCC Nightclub, dead; and Keith Bender, who would die a week later from his injuries, had been shot in the face.

    http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19908917/secondarythumb.aspxIn the last two years, little has been heard from D12 or Eminem, who lost his best friend and hype man. They have done very few interviews, however, rumors abound about Em’s weight, his health, and his relationship with the crew that once joked that they were not his “band.” But, finally, The Dirty Dozen are ready to return to the world of Hip-Hop with new music, a new tour, and a new lease on life.


    The Return of the Dozen features appearances by stellar Detroit MCs. Hosted by outstanding up comer DJ Young Mase, the mixtape also shows the growth of D12 as a group with the track, “Plead for Your Life” which features former friend, turned enemy, turned friend, again; Royce Da 5’9”. The project does have verses from Proof and Eminem, contrary to some reports. AllHipHop.com sat down with Kuniva, Swift, and Bizarre to discuss The Return of the Dozen mixtape and the future of D12.


    AllHipHop.com: So, what’s up, guys?

    Bizarre: Chilling. Finishing up the mixtape, staying focused. Getting ready to get back on the road.

    AllHipHop.com: Are you going to be touring?

    Swift: Yeah. We are going on the road to promote the mixtape, we leave at the end of May. We’re ready to get our names back out there, get back to work. Releasing that energy, being in front of our fans again, we need that. To pick ourselves back up and get back out there. This is like the stretch before the big workout.




    AllHipHop.com: And what’s ‘the big workout’, your studio album?

    Kuniva: Everybody knows that a D12 album follows an Eminem album. That’s the way it is. But, we felt that we needed to do something to get our names back out there. To reconnect with our fans, so we are releasing this mixtape.

    Swift: It also gives us a chance to show our work ethic and that we can create opportunities for ourselves.

    AllHipHop.com: With the changes in the industry are you a little nervous about getting back out there?

    Swift: I wouldn’t say nervous, the style that we have is second nature. We never get deterred by what somebody else is doing.

    Bizarre: We aren’t conforming to anything, our style is so us. We gotta pay attention to what people like but D12 is just a different type of grain.

    http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19908890/401x375.aspxAllHipHop.com: Do you think you guys are overly criticized for the style of rap that you have?

    Kuniva: I mean, we aren’t the most hated on, but we hear it. Our mindset right now is to show and prove, a lot of people discount us because we are sometimes overshadowed by Em. We are always overshadowed by Em. S**t, it’s hard to keep up with Em on a track. Who hasn’t Em sh***ed on, on a record?

    AllHipHop.com: Do you think you get a lot of criticism even from Detroit?

    Bizarre: What I really hate is when somebody asks a Detroit rapper about D12 or Eminem, they act like what we do ain’t really Detroit; when we put this [city] on our backs. We have sacrificed a lot to represent Detroit and we deserve that respect.

    Kuniva: We are all from Detroit. We are all from the same streets. We don’t rap about just guns and drugs. We rap about it, but we put it in a different light. I’m not gonna say, I sold this and I snorted that, because I didn’t. But, we are all still from Detroit. We all still been through the same drama, the same bulls**t.




    AllHipHop.com: How has it been recovering for you guys since Proof was killed?

    Swift: There is definitely a void there. We can be just chilling, playing with our kids, or hanging out kicking it with each other, and it will just hit us, that void, and it hurts. It might hurt for five minutes, it might last for a few hours or for a day, but we have to get back up and keep going.

    Kuniva: It doesn’t hurt as bad as it did the first year, but it still hurts, you just have to recover from it, but we are still scarred. Everybody loses somebody close to them, but he was so many things to us; a leader, a brother. So, it’s hard just doing this rap thing when the main reason for us to do it was for us to do it all together.

    Bizarre: I am just glad that he left us with some many memories. He basically fulfilled all of his dreams and he left a lot of good memories, and a legacy.

    AllHipHop.com: How is Eminem?

    Kuniva: He’s good, you know? Better. He’s recovering. It’s hard everyday and he was really sick when he got pneumonia, so you know, it was like a string of bad luck. But he is doing a lot better. I see him every other day. He’s working on his album. He’s right across the street, working. I know that sounds like a political answer, but he is. He’s not over there looking like Chris Farley. He is doing good and he is across the street working on his album. I could be more specific and say he’s scratching his balls, but I don’t know all that.

    AllHipHop.com: [laughs] Anything else people should know about the Dozen?

    Kuniva: No matter what we are always going to be The Dirty Dozen. I read a lot of real heartless s**t, on blogs and message boards, like, “It's 2 of them n***as dead, they should be D8.” Real cold s**t. But, even if it’s just one of us left...that n***a will still be D12.



    Comments

     

    Premium said:

    D12 is the shit......name another rap crew in this day and age thats stuck together like these guys
    May 21, 2008 12:45 PM
     

    MohCain said:

    R.I.P. Proof

    @ premium uhh bootcamp
    May 21, 2008 12:52 PM
     

    hiphopisdead1 said:

    EMINEM IS THE BEST RAPPER THAT EVER LIVED IN MY EYES...I KNOW MANY OF YALL WILL DISAGREE BIG TIME AND PROLLY TALK ALOTTA SHIT AFTER THIS BUT THE MAN IS A MUSICAL GENIUS...D12 HAS A GREAT AMOUNT OF TALENT IT JUST SUCKS TO BE OVERSHADOWED BY ONE OF THE BEST TO EVER DO IT...CANT WAIT FOR THE MIXTAPE AND CANT WAIT FOR THE ALBUM...ONE LOVE

    --HIP HOP
    May 21, 2008 12:57 PM
     

    Penelope96 said:

    Kuniva: No matter what we are always going to be The Dirty Dozen. I read a lot of real heartless s**t, on blogs and message boards, like, “Its 2 of them n***as dead, they should be D8.”

    ^^^^LMAO!!!! Ain't that funniest shit I heard all day!!! But I'm glad to know that D12 is back on their grind. I'm coppong the new mixtape. *thumbs up*
    May 21, 2008 1:02 PM
     

    KayCizzle said:

    First off R.I.P. Big Proof... D12 is Detroit... I hear haters always talking about they aint Detroit. I haven't seen no other Detroit rapper or group rep Detroit more than D12!!! NOBODY!! ICP is in the suburbs, Esham..ask around..nobody was bumping his music in the CITY.maybe in Mt Clemons yeah the suburbs. D12 always held it down and naww i aint swinging on no nuts.. I just recognize real!!! And they some sick lyricists or Em wouldn't be fucking with them....Imma get that mixtape too. That joint with Royce is HARD!!! 313 all day Haters!!!!!
    May 21, 2008 1:04 PM
     

    T-ROC said:

    Shout out to D-Tweezy....The got loyalty if nothing else. Lyricism in rear form. Their whole style is different in a good way.
    May 21, 2008 1:23 PM
     

    CaliGolden said:

    R.I.P. PROOF!
    D12 for life!
    In my eyes, Em is the best to do it, but the rest ain't no slouches either. Can't wait for the return of Shady Records!
    May 21, 2008 1:36 PM
     

    D12: For Doz That Slept - HipHopsHome Community said:

    May 21, 2008 1:44 PM
     

    PRESTO said:

    Peace 2 DAT  DUB ZZ .. ARE EYE PEACE PROOF ... miss the God ... yall do ya bum thizzle ... the way u do ... ill check 4 it when its out ... Real emcees doing that from the earth thing ... keep it green ... 2
    May 21, 2008 2:14 PM
     

    Barton said:

    D12 will and always be the best rap group.

    R.i.P

    Bugz

    Proof.
    May 21, 2008 2:29 PM
     

    Esq. of LastLeveL said:

    Didn't mess with too much D12, but when they have something I like, I like it, and that's that. Glad to hear they're still holding strong.
    May 21, 2008 2:37 PM
     

    richie sick said:

    D12 was always cool to me.  that first album had some bangs on it.  plus, they're pretty unique, which is hard to say these days.  maybe it's because you really feel they're just being themselves, no more and no less.
    May 21, 2008 2:43 PM
     

    dizi » Blog Archive » News 05/21/08 - New D12 Interview: For Doz That Slept! said:

    May 21, 2008 2:47 PM
     

    D12: For those That Slept (Interview) « Eminemisgod.wordpress.com said:

    May 21, 2008 2:50 PM
     

    BlackSean said:

    DETROIT, STAND UP FOR BIG PROOF!!

    Listening to Bun-B's  "II Trill" the other day, I was thinking "if D12 can come back 1/2 as hard as Bun (after losing Pimp C), we'll be ok"  That's a big void, but with the whole city reciting Proof's rhymes word-for-word @ concerts, it'll almost feel like he's there.

    "a lot of people discount us because we are sometimes overshadowed by Em. We are always overshadowed by Em. S**t, it’s hard to keep up with Em on a track. Who hasn’t Em sh***ed on, on a record? "
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    May 21, 2008 3:05 PM
     

    dizi » Blog Archive » 05/21/08 - New D12 Interview: For Doz That Slept! said:

    May 21, 2008 3:48 PM
     

    MackSwami said:

    Big Ups To the Dirty Dozen!!!!!!
    Detroit Fo Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    R.I.P. Big Proof!!!!!


    May 21, 2008 4:09 PM
     

    Hip Hop GM said:

    8 Mile yall 8 mile yall. It's some nice ass emcees from the D man and I am not from there and can say that.
    May 21, 2008 5:14 PM
     

    TonyMalibu said:

    YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!

    Next story...
    May 21, 2008 5:17 PM
     

    DETROIT RED said:

    AS A NATIVE DETROITER, I AM ALWAYS PROUD OF D-12.  THEY REP THE HOME.  NOT MANY PEOPLE MAKE IT FROM THE "D" SO "DETROIT STAND UP."  PEOLPLE HATE ON THE CREW BUT LET THEM HATE.  I JUST HOPE THEY GET THE LOVE THEY SHOULD.  MAYBE DETROIT WILL SHOW SOME SUPPORT THIS TIME.  SHADY RECORDS IS BACK FOR THE "08".

    R.I.P. BIG PROOF
    May 21, 2008 5:18 PM
     

    wetmoneynewcash said:

    I HAD TO PLEASURE OF HANGING WITH PROOF YEARS BACK AT THE ANGER MANAGEMENT TOUR IN MIAMI AND THE DUDE WAS OFFICIAL. HE WAS HOOD, HE DIDNT ACT LIKE HE WAS BETTER THAN THE REST AND HE WAS FUNNY AS HE##. PROOF COPPED ME A HEINAKEN AT THE AFTER PARTY...LOL. I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT, SO BEST BE FOR SURE I'M COP'N THAT CD TWICE. R.I.P. PROOF. KEEP YOUR HEADS UP D12. SHOT OUT TO SKAM2!!! MY NI@@A.

    MYSPACE.COM/WETMONEYNEWCASH
    May 21, 2008 5:47 PM
     

    Don Won said:

    R.I.P. Big Proof.  

    I'm going to cop this cd.  does anyone know when it comes out?
    May 21, 2008 5:53 PM
     

    Tommy K. said:

    No doubt the WOLF was ill! R.I.P. Big Proof
    May 21, 2008 6:25 PM
     

    JayL said:

    R.I.P Proof, fuck tha haters for real, im buyin that cd no doubt
    May 21, 2008 7:19 PM
     

    DetroitsDaughter said:

    Detroit, What?!

    The album is available online now...
    May 21, 2008 7:32 PM
     

    S1eve said:

    Nice interview.  Fight Music still gets me psyched up today!!

    Where can I find the album online?!
    May 21, 2008 10:15 PM
     

    MiseryCityTexasDuece said:

    d-12 was very underrated even when proof was alive. that jerry garcia album was dope, and people don't even give these niggas a chance. bizzare's small cheese on coney island was a very underrated d-12 solo album also, and people know kon artis better by his government name denaun porter because of his production instead of his rapping skills. and hes not even that bad of a rapper.
    May 21, 2008 10:18 PM
     

    JAPPY107 said:

    THE BEST FUCKING GROUP IN THE GAME SINCE DAVIL'S NIGHT ALBUM. THE INDUSTRY IS SO FUCKED UP RIGHT WITH ALL THESE STUPID ASS MUSIC TODAY.
    May 21, 2008 10:50 PM
     

    Saint Malachy said:

    once signed to a major, eminem tried to side with as many black artists as possible to gain credibility.  funny how the world goes round.
    May 21, 2008 10:53 PM
     

    Hush said:

    Yea I've been waiting on somethin' from them...and I'm really anticipatin' Em's new album.

    http://www.myspace.com/sha317
    May 21, 2008 11:04 PM
     

    UTSAreppin said:

    It's been a minute since we've heard from D12...  you can hate them all you want but they bring something different to the table and their ability to be like anyone else is what set's them apart from everyone else.. The same goes for Eminem, his lyrical ability and the way he thinks will keep him afloat as one of the best MC's in the game agree with me or not you still have to respect them...
    May 22, 2008 3:01 AM
     

    HipHopManiac said:

    R.I.P BIG PROOF
    May 22, 2008 3:03 AM
     

    richie sick said:

    @Saint Malachy said

    what can em do?  side with white artists?  do guest appearances with the beastie boys?  he came in the game through dre.  he grew up with proof.  he been with black artists from the jump.
    May 22, 2008 5:35 AM
     

    GoodLuckMcCain said:

    D12 are a group  i will always appreciate, and i will defo look out for this album. I very much doubt they can match the greatness of Devils Night, which in my opinion is a great album. Some people interprete good music differently.

    Hip hop dosen't interest me much these days, apart from the occasional track. I tend the dig up some older joints because i've grown out of the new stuff.

    I will look out for this new album for old times sake. The album will guarantee some hot beats, and some hot ryhmes. They may not be the best of all time, but at least they're still around, and they don't have massive egos.
    May 22, 2008 6:42 AM
     

    D.O.C said:

    D12 NEVER GET ANY CREDIT

    I LUV DEVIL'S NIGHT & D12 WORLD

    CAN'T WAIT 4 THE MIXTAPE ND NEW ALBUM
    May 22, 2008 12:34 PM
     

    FitnessFreakazoid said:

    bizzare letz em down big time! fat b$stard needs to lose weight!

    http://fitnessfreakazoid.com
    May 22, 2008 2:16 PM
     

    InfamousMobstar said:

    man d-12 is like sum of the last remaining rappers.. now all hip hop is is ringtone rappers, and guys who like lollipops... glad D-twizzy is back to put the grit and grime and thanks to bizzare the creepyness back in the game... keep doin y thing..

    r.i.p. bugz

    r.i.p big proof
    May 22, 2008 3:07 PM
     

    D12 is back « Valentin Varadi said:

    May 22, 2008 3:48 PM
     

    QayyimAllahKabar said:

    D12 was never great or anything... but they had some banging tracks on that Devil's Night joint.  Proof was the illest next to  Eminem though.
    May 22, 2008 3:57 PM
     

    HHH thats me said:

    @ richie sick

    Em actually didn't live IN detroit for quite some time of his life. He lived in the warren suburb of detroit, had alot of white friends and basically was around alot of white people. It's not like just cause Proof was his closest dude (outside of Ronnie) and he joined a group like D12 which was all black it justifies him kind of alienating himself from white people when becoming major.

    Do you know what label he was on before Aftermath? When he was still underground he worked with almost only white people, in particular on his solo projects. His Soul Intent days was on some beastie boys shit, all white boys:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPDuC-TZKGw

    so his life was not really like it's played out in 8 Mile for instance. By the way people need to stop believing half that shit from the 8 mile movie and how his camp say his life was back in the day. 8 mile is a hollywood movie and of course people need to make his life out to be as interesting and "harsh" as possible, to give him credibility. Credibility just means more money for his camp, they're thinking green.

    But "street" cred and all that bullshit shouldn't even matter, especially when you've got a dope Mc like em shitting on your favourite rapper.
    May 22, 2008 4:53 PM
     

    richie sick said:

    @HHH thats me said

    i hear ya.  well, it ain't no mystery to me.  we all know white people think black people are cooler anyway.  if i was a white kid in his position, i'd wanna hang with the nigs too if i could get a pass!  ha ha!  fuck hangin with the white folks.
    May 22, 2008 5:15 PM
     

    HHH thats me said:

    It's not about black people being "cooler", it's about urban music in general being seen as "black" music. And urban music is often characterized by the way black people live in the hoods of america. For a rapper like Eminem, a white rapper who doesn't fit the urban music template to BE credible, he needs black people that say the shit he spits is true. And they do that for THE MONEY.
    May 22, 2008 5:58 PM
     

    richie sick said:

    @HHH thats me said

    street credibility has nothing to do with art.  that's sociology.  when it comes down to it, all you're saying is we shouldn't like eminem because he isn't a nig from the hood, and he's trying to do "urban" music.  

    art doesn't have anything to do with truth, and even less with credibility.  it's a representation of a reflection of reality.  don't confuse it with reality.  so the shit em spits is HIS artistic vision.  he don't need anybody to verify it, whether they do it for the money or not.

    if you don't want to label him as "urban" music, that's fine.  but i'm concerned with the aesthetics of hip-hop, and eminem does fit within that.  the only thing em needs to do to be credible to me is be true to his art.
    May 22, 2008 7:06 PM
     

    DetroitsDaughter said:

    @ richie sick...

    Well said.
    May 22, 2008 7:32 PM
     

    Mr. Green Wings said:

    @ richie sick

    Um, reflection of reality IS truth, through a particular individual's eyes. Funny how he changed his style up back in 97'...

    But anywho, I was thinking on how Cage used to represent himself via the "urban" way. But after his Hell's Winter Album dropped, dude finally started to truly express himself, through his change in the way he dressed and the content of his music. But you probably only know Cage from that beef that happened way back in the day.

    And if you want to use the terminology concerning your benevolent description on how Eminem is "in his own league", you should really reconsider that. There's a lot of "alternative" hip hop out there.

    Finally, R.I.P. to Proof (gotta cop that Jerry Garcia album), and here's to hoping that it will be a good year for BOTH Def Jux and Shady Records.
    May 22, 2008 9:43 PM
     

    richie sick said:

    @Mr. Green Wings said

    truth through a particular individual's eyes is another word for subjectivity.  subjective truth is different from objective truth.  art is subjective truth.  it's not THE truth.

    i don't know who cage is.

    i never said em was in his own league, so what's to reconsider?  in fact, i categorized him within the boundaries of hip-hop.  if you wanna call him "alternative" hip-hop, that's fine.  is punk not still rock music?  is west coast jazz not still jazz?  you're just talking sub-genres.
    May 23, 2008 5:50 AM
     

    HHH thats me said:

    @ richie sick

    NO, what Im saying is the reason dudes claim Eminem was a person back in the day that he clearly wasn't, is because that's the way for Em to get credibility, and everyone knows that cred = money.

    And I wasn't even discussing how we should label Em, Im saying how urban music forces a white rapper to invent a false history because otherwise no one would give 2 shits about him. If Em would be from the 'burbs, STILL the same ill em that rips every track he's on but from the suburbs, he would'nt be bumped at all. People wouldn't give him 2 seconds of their time.

    And in that, a rappers character preceeds his artistic competense. In hip hop, you need to be credible first, then be "dope". How fucked up is that?
    May 23, 2008 11:18 AM
     

    richie sick said:

    @HHH thats me said

    ok, NOW i feel what you're saying.  you clarified everything.
    May 23, 2008 12:03 PM
     

    Mr. Green Wings said:

    @ richie sick

    So what you're telling me is that an individual can react in an unorthodox way to current living conditions and/or life events, hence coming to your conclusion of "subjective truth".

    Breaking from the conformist mold, expressing one's true self...even though the "objective truth" may be one that doesn't favor him in terms of career progression...sounds about right.

    Eminem started out as a battle emcee in his early years, then added some positivity back on the Infinite Album. After getting shitted on, he then proceeded to make morbid, macabre material...which was highly acclaimed from the Slim Shady EP to the Marshall Mathers EP; as of lately he's been really reflective in his content. He definitely gave his opinion on how he saw reality.

    But the "street cred" for white rappers has definitely been one to propel into high-status. When I say "alternative hip-hop" there really wasn't a label: it simply refers to the style which doesn't parallel the current popular style. So with that being said, I'm done talking about this subject.
       

    May 23, 2008 9:21 PM
     

    R.I.P X1 said:

    Devils Night is the best album to drop in the new mellenium, I was bout 10,11 years old when I copped that shit, all the hype about it being a bad influence and shit just made me want to buy it more. It's was my first hip-hop album too. R.I.P Big Proof & Bugz
    May 26, 2008 10:34 PM
     

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