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Christian Rapper Bizzle Addresses His Macklemore Response, Jay Z Pushing The Gay Agenda, & Media Manipulation


(AllHipHop Interviews) Six years ago a rapper, drug dealer, and pimp named Mark Felder hit rock bottom when he found himself sleeping in his car. It was at that point that Felder says God broke him down and then eventually put the pieces of his life back together. The result of that experience was a man who was willing to turn his life completely over to the Lord, and the faith-based emcee named Bizzle was born again.

Bizzle has released numerous projects since 2008. His 2013 album The Good Fight included production by Boi-1da and a guest feature from No Malice, but it was his recent response to Macklemore & Ryan Lewis’ pro-gay rights song “Same Love” that started a firestorm.

People on both sides of the gay marriage debate strongly voiced their opinion about the God Over Money founder’s single with some championing his right to freedom of speech and others calling the song homophobic, hateful, and disturbing.

Bizzle connected with AllHipHop.com to speak about his controversial “Same Love (A Response)” and the reactions it has received. He also addresses religious imagery in Hip Hop, what he views as rappers being used to promote the gay agenda, and whether homosexuality is a condition that can be cured.

[ALSO READ: Christian Rapper Bizzle Releases Response Track To Macklemore’s “Same Love”]

Macklemore and Ryan Lewis released their version of “Same Love” in 2012. Why did you decide to release your response last month?

I know the song is old. I thought it would fall off and disappear once they put out new material, but I saw the media keep trying to breathe life into the record and turning into a “gay anthem.” I think [Macklemore and Ryan Lewis’] Grammy Awards [performance] was the last straw.

I feel like we have conversations behind closed doors, but everybody’s afraid to speak, because nobody wants to be labeled a bigot, homophobic, or full of hate. I got tired of walking on egg shells. There has to be an opposing side. The media can’t make people afraid to disagree.

What’s your response to those people who say your “Same Love” response track is homophobic?

I’d ask how? As far as I see, disagreement automatically means homophobic. I don’t believe that. You would have to really show me what I said that leads you to believe that I’m scared of you which is what a homophobe is.

You made a reference in the song about rappers that promote the “gay agenda.” Which rappers do you feel are doing that?

The biggest one who co-signed gay marriage was Jay Z. I would say he’s at the top of Hip Hop, and if you wanted to push something to Black people that would be who you’d take anything through. Just because he’s powerful. Also, anybody you’ve seen in a skirt  – A$AP Rocky. Anybody who they’ve put on a platform and made them say, “this is just like what we went through.”

That was another point you made in the song, the idea that the gay struggle should not be compared to the Black struggle. Do you dismiss the entire idea of equal rights for the LGBT community?

No, not at all. They should get the rights that married people get as far as tax breaks, but if your right to marry violates the pastor’s right to not marry you because of his religion, then I can’t be for this right against that right.

Also, I know that gay people suffered. A lot of people seem to think that I’m just disregarding any of gay people’s struggle, and that’s not what I’m doing. What I’m saying is don’t compare them. I don’t compare slavery to the Holocaust. Don’t compare this to that, because the moment you start comparing similarities, then you make it okay for me to compare the differences. I do believe there are differences.

Which would be what in your opinion?

I don’t believe people are born gay, though I do believe we all are born with temptations. But, a child born Black in that time period, from day one had the world against them. If a child is born gay, we won’t even know until about six or seven. At this point now, the punishment is far worse if you commit a hate crime. Back then not only was it not a hate crime, you could murder us for fun. It was in the law that we were only three-fifths of a person. I think that the level of oppression was a lot different.

You said that you don’t believe people are born gay. Do you think it’s a condition that can be fixed? Do you think someone can stop being gay?

I know a few people who’ve been delivered from homosexuality. The thing is, if I tell a homosexual that they say, “they’ve just been brainwashed or tricked into believing that it’s not normal.” I know a good three or four people who’ve been fully delivered, and it was by God so if you’re not a Christian you probably won’t believe it.

There was another part of your song that got a lot of reaction. That’s when you made the comparison between homosexuals and pedophiles. Do you believe that a gay sexual act between consenting adults is the same as a pedophile having sex with children?

What I’m saying is, before the pedophile ever touches a child his desires are already disgusting to the homosexual. They hit me like, “I’m disgusted you would compare me to that.” I have yet to meet anyone who could give me a reason that the pedophile cannot use. Whether it’s “born this way.” Whether it’s “I didn’t choose this.”

If you’re not a Christian, a lot people say the Bible’s outdated. They throw our laws away. Well, if that’s the case the pedophile can say, “your laws are outdated, and girls are having sex at twelve these days, so let’s throw your laws away.” I’ve yet to hear anybody use an excuse that the pedophile can’t also use. I’m talking before he’s even touches a child he’s still disgusting to you, but if I say your desire is disgusting to me I’m wrong. My obligation is to not only love the gay person. It’s to also love the pedophile even if I don’t agree with what he does.

I think some would argue that the difference is that one is between two consenting adults and the other is an adult taking advantage of a child.

There are pedophiles who don’t act on their desires, but if he told you that he wants to, even if he doesn’t, you still look at him with disgust. At that point the argument for him touching a child is irrelevant, because he hasn’t done it. Even if he’s sought help, he’s still disgusting to you.

I’m talking at the desire level, not on the acting level. At the desire level I feel like they’re in the same boat. You say one is between two consenting adults, well, there are different countries that have different laws where 16 might be the consenting age. I’m not for the pedophile. What I’m saying is how do you get to throw out the Bible and say that law is outdated, but he has to stick to your law that says 14 is not old enough? That’s the argument he can make, based on the argument you’re making.

[ALSO READ: EXCLUSIVE: Clipse’s No Malice Addresses Kanye’s ‘Yeezus’ Title & Depiction Of Jesus Christ In Hip-Hop]

You have Kanye West’s Yeezus. You have A$AP Mob about to drop their L.O.R.D. album. There have been a lot of religious references in Hip Hop recently like J. Cole’s Born Sinner and The Game’s Jesus Piece. What is your take on Hip Hop’s use of religious imagery?

I don’t rock with it when it’s used out of context. I definitely can’t support it. Sometimes people use it and have a righteous thought behind it, but when it’s used for mockery I don’t rock with it at all. If I decide, when I’m writing, to put in a rhyme about something that you feel mocked by, then they should honor that same freedom of speech that gave them the right to do that with the Lord’s name.

Would you ever consider collaborating with an openly gay artist?

It depends on what the topic is about. If he’s pushing a message that’s contrary to mine –  that would be for anybody – I wouldn’t rock with any artist I feel stands for everything I’m against. But, if he wanted to talk about his struggle, I’d get on there and talk about mine. Of course I’ll pray on it like I do anything else.

Ultimately, what would you like to see happen as far as the gay community’s role in the media and entertainment?

I’d like to see an opposing view be honored and respected. I want to see the manipulation come to an end. I always say when a dude tells a female if you don’t have sex with me you don’t love me; that’s manipulation. Of course when a dude is telling a female that, he doesn’t feel that way, but if a dude was telling his daughter that he would definitely feel that way. I feel the same when the media pushes: if you don’t agree with me then you hate me, but if you love me then you have to agree with what I do. That’s manipulation as well, and I’m not with the manipulation.

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Bizzle is currently working on the God Over Money compilation LP. 100% of the profits from the album’s sales will go to fund water well projects in Africa.

For more information about God Over Money visit their website godovermoney.com.

You can follow Bizzle on Twitter @MyNameIsBizzle.

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  • Opposite Of Everyone

    Which God are we referring to here? Zeus? Apollo? Thor? Old Testament God? Ra? Jesus? Mithra? Horus? etc etc..

    FOH with that Bronze age ish… Gays exist in a world that is vastly over populated so even if they somehow do have the power to lead others into being gay it could only have a positive effect on the environment in that respect..

    not to mention the old “that means more pu$$y for us” argument!

    • Youre giving the excuse for homos and thats gay lol

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        if you say so, killer…

      • Killer? Who me???? Why you say that to me….?

    • Brindle

      YOU SOUND (TYPE) CRAZY

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        thanks, I’ll…try and take that on board..

    • Judah Nazayar

      Sir, there is only 1 Most HIGH.. and He is NOt seen wid the Physical Eye..though He is Seen Everywhere. And Bronze age shet?. Sir, dont u know all things move in cycles? It is so wid history, present and future. U are in this cycle as well a 360 degree cycle. You sir need knowledge of the SELF.
      That is..if u are a so called negro

      • Judah Nazayar

        if u are..”other”…carry on wid your nonsense…

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        and therein lies the problem. There is only one race brother.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        You go ahead and place trust in Bronze age rumours that were used pacified slaves so they weren’t concerned about their suffering on Earth and convinced them they were due an eternity in the sky.

      • Papi Peligro

        I mean you know I don’t agree with allot of your beliefs. But how can GOD kill people over the fact they don’t worship him if he changes his entity as god? That don’t make no sense. Canaanites got killed cause they worshiped BAAL. Which was another son of EL. But different from the Midianite JAH. That’s who the Midianites worship. That’s why God’s name was revealed to Moses through his father in law the Midianite High Priest. WHO WORSHIPED JAH. According to the Ugarits EL was the supreme deity and Jehovah was a son of EL. The Bible supports this position Deuteronomy 32:8,9 Most High is ELOHIM. Which is the bible don’t just put Elohim they put Most High the definition of Elohim. So how could GOD kill the Caananites if they worshiped him only by another Name.

    • BD

      Elohim, Allah, God are just names of the same creator/great architect. The being outside of our realm of reality that caused the Big Bang. That one.

      • Papi Peligro

        You joking right. These were unique names for gods. God Killed the Canaanites over the fact they used his old name. It was like I was a Sumerian God to your forfathers but now that Moses has been hanging with these Midianites My new name is Yahweh. The same name for the Midianite god. Yes. I’m the same god in Ur. Now leave go to Egypt get some people that know me as EL and come back and kill all these people who worship me as EL. I think Moses Father – In – Law was behind the burning bush.

      • BD

        Sorry bruh I don’t take the current adaptation of that book literally, those people killed for other reasons than simply “God said so” like political and financial gain. The names are irrelevant to me really, it’s the content.

  • acapwn

    Even without the god shit he’s talkin, he’s got very valid points.

  • YEEZY SEASON

    You sitting on Allhiphop, your life is passing you by. You keep procrastinating, maybe I’ll listen to this track today maybe tomorrow. No do it now.

    you tube . c0m (/) watch?v=kwNyl_uWQfY

    • Opposite Of Everyone

      even if I was to spend 7 seconds piecing together that link what would be the incentive for me to listen, in a world saturated by hundreds of thousands of guys who like you who are all trying to secure the attention of strangers?

      • YEEZY SEASON

        Because of this line

        “They tellin me to rap about what n*ggas want,
        but I dont have it so I rap about what n*ggas don’t”

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        so your rap consists of rapping about what others want you to rap about?

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        and furthermore, ‘want’ doesn’t rhyme with ‘don’t’ !

      • YEEZY SEASON

        Its not me rappin but listen to the line.

        “But I dont have it so I rap about what n*ggas DONT”

        Powerful statement. and It doesnt rhyme but I cleverly made it rhyme.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        right, I see what you did there…

      • YEEZY SEASON

        I promise you its worth the listen

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        ok, but don’t get sensitive if I’m critical… I’ve been hip-hop since Sugarhill…

      • YEEZY SEASON

        Love and hate its all the same to me. leave whatever comment you want to. even if its to say this ish sucks

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        criticism is nothing to do with love and hate; it’s merely analysis and evaluation. On this occasion I am pleased to say that IMO your skills are definitely on face value more than adequate. Great vocal tone, nice flow and cadence.. somewhat derivative but not at all difficult to stomach. If you’d a made this 15-20 years ago you’d prolly be a known and respected underground head right now… good lookin.

      • YEEZY SEASON

        preciate that even though its my homie rapping not me. Im just the promo guy. if its not too much trouble can you copy and paste this critique on the video? trynna rack up all the comments and views I can to make it go viral,

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        but remember, a deal ain’t nothin’ but a loan.

  • Brindle

    Bizzles nice with his and you gotta admire the dude for standing his ground in righteousness, i know that don’t mean nothen to most people now a days… If you are apathetic to social affairs and don’t like art that requires thought you probably won’t like. Dude gotta step it up on his albums though, they wack…

  • David Gonz

    KEEP GAY OUT OF RAP THATS WHAT RNB AND HOUSE MUSIC IS FOR

    • Opposite Of Everyone

      tell that to Bambaata and Cowboy…

      • David Gonz

        THEY NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT HOMIE. OF COURSE MOST nNY RAPPERS ARE GAY THEY AINT PROMOTING IT TO THE KIDS.

  • Chrisblackusa

    gtfoh,,,dude don’t know the meaning of the cross,,,,just got the symbol like 99% of the rest,,,the story of all crs t or x is that as above v so below /,,,x,,,

  • Black Jay

    Okay folks….. There’s soooooooooo much in this article. I’ll try to speak on the most important pieces to me.

    First…. Gay or Straight, I have to commend this brother for standing up for what he believes in. With all of the politics surrounding gay people it’s refreshing to see someone not flinch in the face of adversity towards what they believe in.

    Second…. While I strongly believe there is a “Gay Agenda”, I seriously disagree with the idea that certain rappers are wearing skirts to further that agenda. First and foremost, what I’ve seen are kilts. And while I truly believe that if you’re not from Scotland you shouldn’t wear it, brothers wear dreadlocks all the time and very few of those dudes are Rastafarian. So that kills that argument. Also, if brothers are openly condemning Kanye, Pharrell and whoever else for wearing Kilts and disparaging them by calling them “skirts”, let me give you a short list of people THAT ACTUALLY WORE SKIRTS.

    Eddie Murphy, Jamie Foxx, Chris Tucker, Wesley Snipes, Martin Lawrence, Arsenio Hall, Ving Rhames, Tracy Morgan, Flip Wilson…. Judging from these people’s bank accounts, none of y’all skirt-hating n*ggas stopped paying your money to them. AND THEY ACTUALLY WORE SKIRTS!!! So be fair about the sh*t. It don’t matter. And don’t even get me started on the White men that have worn actual skirts. We would be here all day!

    Third…. He’s dead on with the way Gay people try to compare their struggles to The African American Struggle. It’s wrong. It’s offensive. And it should never be done. Skin color cannot be hidden. Sexuality can.

    Lastly…. NO MAN OR WOMAN CAN BE CURED OF THEIR SEXUALITY. If I’m a heterosexual and I like big breasts and big asses, I don’t know of a pill available that could make me stop that sh*t. And preachers have been trying to get heterosexuals to stop premarital sex since as long as I can remember. There’s no cure for that.

    With that being said, why do people have the audacity to think that a Gay dude can stop his sh*t? It’s not logical. You like what you like. There is no stopping that unless you get old, you’re handicapped in some way, or you die. So please people, stop that sh*t.

    I’m personally against the homosexuality thing as a whole. They aren’t in my life on a daily basis so I don’t get down with it. But I do believe they have rights and they shouldn’t be beaten, killed, or out casts because of who they are. That’s not having a pro-gay agenda. That’s just my opinion.

    • Brindle

      Well said, and just to prove it to you I had my son read what you wrote also. The one thing I disagree with you on the statement “You like what you like” as if that’s an excuse to do what you like. “Do as thou wilt” is the #1 message from the satanic bible, though a fake bible, who ever came up with it sums up the opposite of Biblical teachings perfectly. I feel being gay (born, chosen or environmental) is not an excuse for the action. People are born with the desire to steal, be overly aggressive, etc. but its not an excuse to turn those urges into a life style. Good job though homie, its good to see people of thought.

      • Black Jay

        Big ups bro. Thanks for the compliment. Nobody’s perfect in life. It’s all a lesson that we’re learning. Hopefully we can get stuff right before we hit those pearly gates though. One!

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        but if God created man in his own image and perfect then how can it be wrong (assuming that you believe in something as ludicrous as God that is)

      • Brindle

        My son was created in my image, but there’s no way he should’ve gotten an F on that last English test when he speaks better than i do. I told him to study, he didn’t. So in my eyes my son is perfection, but he don’t always act perfectly…

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        so your son wasn’t created in Gods image? thought you were religious….

      • Brindle

        “On earth as it is in heaven”, I’m giving you an example to help you see…

      • How can we make any wrong decision, with that logic?!

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        that’s not my logic, that’s the extrapolated logic of those who believe the earth was created 6000 years ago in 6 days..

      • ??? God created people in his image. He gave them the ability to choose to obey him or not obey him. They chose not to obey him. One of his commands is, “Men shouldn’t sleep with men, even if you want to, crazy bad.” So, how can it be wrong to violate what God tells us to do? Um… That’s a really dumb question.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        God made them gay though ! So if they’re created in his image then God must know what it’s like to want to have sex with a man. Otherwise he isn’t all-knowing.

        And by the way God didn’t tell us (well not me anyway) what to do. the holy bible, written by Bronze age peasants does though, if you fancy using that as a guide to your life.

        It was written by the people who had zero understanding of nature or science, by people who thought if there was a storm or swarm of locusts it was because god was angry.. who thought that someone having an epileptic fit was possessed by the devil… who thought that a schizophrenic hearing voices was a prophet speaking to god….

        sheeeit. C’mon son

      • That’s unfalsifiable. I know people who used to say they were gay, and now don’t say it anymore. Were they ever gay? Of course not! They were bisexual. Phew! Your worldview is still intact. Good thing we have the catchall words of bisexual, straight, and gay that we can pull out any time there’s a contradiction to your worldview.

        So, to summarize, God, who is fake, created homosexuals “in his image”, meaning we have a fake homosexual God? Think before you type. Being created “In his image” doesn’t mean everything we want to do is what God wants us to do.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        remember, if man had obeyed god and never disobeyed him and all of mans children had obeyed him as well…

        then every (by virtue immortal) human that has ever existed would still be alive now. How many people do you think that would be and how much space would there be for us all?

        God intended man to obey him.

        Why?

      • Atheists make the greatest fundamentalist christians with their brain dead zero effort way of understanding the Bible. You could take that argument to Ken Ham, but not me. The Genesis Eden creation story is a poem.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        Oh I seeeeee, forgive me (after all you’re a Christian right?)

        So, precisely how does one determine which bit of mumbo jumbo is allegory and which is historical fact?

      • If it’s written in poetic meter, it’s a poem. Thre are a lot of ways of checking the details of the old testament, by comparing details to external controls.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        So something written in verse is automatically false but everything else is to be taken as fact..based on what evidence, if you don’t mind enlightening me?

      • Something written in verse is automatically a poem. It should be read as a poem. This is exactly what I’m talking about when I say you read it with no effort to understand what’s being communicated.
        “Evening and morning… The first day.”

        “Evening and morning… The 3rd day.”
        Then God created the Sun, moon, and stars.
        “Evening and morning… The 4th day.”

        Why would God create the Sun, moon, and stars separately from light? Why would they be on the 4th day instead of Day 1? Why would there be evening and morning before the sun?

        Now, what evidence is there to trust the old testament history? That’s a huge topic. Start with reading “On the Reliability of the Old Testament”. You won’t of course, because you have zero interest in actually learning anything about the Bible. But just so you don’t look like as much of a moron to people who actually have read Bible history, I would recommend it.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        how can you know how it should be interpreted?
        who determined that something in verse is not true? are no raps true then?
        how can you have faith that “On the Reliability of the Old Testament” is correct?

        And finally I couldn’t possibly look anymore of a moron than someone who believes in an invisible man in the sky or an imaginary friend…

      • If it’s a poem, it may be literal, or it may not be. I guess you have to use your brain a little. Atheists are way to ready to read something with no context from the Bible and just yell, “aha! not true”, while not putting any effort to understand what’s being communicated.

        The book I suggested to you takes each period of the old testament, and compares the Bible’s accounts to external controls.

        I don’t know anyone that believes there’s an invisible man in the sky. You really should learn to understand what you are attacking if you want to more effectively work toward your goal of an atheist utopia.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        i think you are being rather glib in your assertions. It is clear to me, from over 43 years of communicating with religious people of all denominations, that it is indeed typical that they believe there “is an invisible man in the sky, who watches every thing you do , every second of every day, with a list of 10 bad things he does not want you to do and if you do any of them you’ll spend eternity burning in a pit of fire til the end of time….but he loves you” – yes that is what the average christian believes..
        and don’t even get me started on Islam.

        Religion deserves nothing but contempt. contempt for how much abuse they’ve managed to get away with for all these years.

        whether there is a god or not is besides the point ( i don’t happen to believe there is); the problem is Bronze Age religions and their hideous championing of ignorance.

      • You really do hold a caricature of Christianity. Perhaps you should improve the quality of people you engage with. At the moment, you are sort of stuck in a mental rut. You have already made up your mind. You want to change other people’s minds. Try to better understand them, and attack the best argument, not a caricature of it.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        the caricature I hold is the one purveyed by the average christian I see in the city, on TV, in the news. I have unfortunately limited choice over the quality of people I deal with as they’re all mere mortals I’m afraid.

        perhaps we should agree to disagree and get our weekends on accordingly…

        stay righteous !

      • One final thought. One particle collides with another, everything being completely deterministic by the laws of physics, and here we are, being “angry” about people’s choices. Choice isn’t possible in that naturalistic universe. And yet you make choices. You are righteously indignant toward others, yet, what single even in the history of the universe could have been any different than it was, in your worldview? What would have been the mechanism for the event being different?

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        you appear to have made a leap of logic in stating that choice is impossible in a naturalistic universe. as for the rest of your declamation, I’m afraid my synapses cannot comprehend such gravitas.. now , if you’ll excuse me..

        .

      • Just a single example of an event that could have been any different than it was, in your worldview. And how could it have been different?

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        OK, how about –

        Jesus walking on water could’ve been jesus not walking on water
        jesus rising from the dead could’ve been jesus not existing in the first place

        is that that you mean?

        and i’m not being rude but i’m going out now !

      • I mean in your worldview.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        and if you “have to use your brain a little” to interpret it, how would the illiterate bronze age desert peasants who it was designed to control have coped with that?

      • Bronze age desert peasants didn’t write the Bible. Do you know how you sound right now? It’s like a Christian just said “Then why are there still monkeys if monkeys turned into people.” You really need to educate yourself a little bit on the topics you keep bringing up.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        i didnt say they wrote it, I said that’s who it was designed to control/instill fear in.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        and furthermore if it is so blindingly obvious that it should be read as allegory then why do the expeditors of religion not make this explicit in their teachings and sermons??

      • BD

        Not everyone who believes in God believes the world was created 6000 years ago nor literally in 6 days.

      • Mistah CJ

        Are you the kind of person that complains about how bad a problem is, and then sticks the middle finger up when the solution is given? It’s Satan who has corrupted the mind of man. Don’t make God out to be like a man. God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-loving. There’s a reason we call him “Father” because we have been predestined to be adopted children in Christ Jesus (Ephesians 1:5). And because of the Holy Trinity Jesus and God are one in the same. (Basically the whole book of John) Praying for you mann, because I have best friends just like you. But they know Christ in me by my love.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        yeah, the only issue with that is that your information on God is based on some bronze Age desert scriptures with absolutely nothing to support them apart from psychosis, sorry faith.

        If God is all-knowing he knows what it’s like to lust after a man.
        If he knows that then he’s not all-good !(if you’re anti-gay that is)

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        if God is all-knowing then he knows what it feels like to lust after a man; if not he’s not all-knowing.
        if God does know what it feels like then he isn’t all good…

        so which God would you prefer – the all knowing; or the all good?

      • Brindle

        i know my dog will bight you but that doesn’t mean i agree with him doing it… but i will give him a choice to make… its the same with us and God…

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        is being heterosexual a lifestyle? No, then why is being Gay classed as such?
        Why should gays control their urges? What harm are they doing? All other species do it!

      • Black Jay

        Why you going so hard on this? Opinions vary. Leave it at that. And what the f*ck is your avatar? No diss but I’m trying to figure that out.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        it has the body of a cow and the head of a thumb.

        Listen.. I believe illogical opinions based on ignorance should be challenged. And no, i’m not gay and don’t have any gay friends for that matter. It just seems like hypocritical God-Botherers have it in for them…

        I mean Gayness isn’t even mentioned as sinful in the 10 commandments or the 7 deadly sins but somewhow seems to be a priority for christians…

        when was the last time you heard christians making a fuss about Liars, Thiefs, Pride, Greed etc, eh? Exactly, and those transgressions are much further up the chain of sinfulness in your Bronze age peasant bible.

        sheeeitt..

      • Black Jay

        I agree with what you’re saying but you went all in on dude for a portion of his message. It wasn’t a diss. It is what he believes. And like it or not, you have to respect someone’s beliefs because you have no choice. He owns it.

      • Charlene Mozee

        Liars, thieves, greedy people are not saying give us our rights and we were born this way so we should be allowed to set up a lifestyle based on how we were born. Liars, thieves and greedy or prideful people are not saying this is the same as the struggle for civil rights and you should make lying, stealing and greediness acceptable by passing laws to support how we were born. They are not pushing their agenda down the throat of those who know it is wrong!

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        but Gays aren’t harming anyone !!!

        Christians and muslims want to burn and kill gay people !

        do you hear them say that about thiefs, liars or proud people?

      • Ryan

        I usually just view these posts looking for logical fallacies because it’s fun for me. I find it rather amusing that you used the words “illogical opinion” while you are committing the logical fallacy known as confirmation bias (as does everyone else on the internet). I understand your opinion and get that you do not believe in God and find it “illogical” but you are discrediting other’s opinions simply because they are not concurrent with your own which is in fact a logical fallacy.

      • Brindle

        Being heterosexual is a life style, its the ways of the world but it requires life and brings about a style (man ask woman to marry, man and woman have kids, man goes to club to meet woman, woman goes to club to meet man, etc.) As far as the second statement, I’ve been known to be overly aggressive, those urges came natural. The Bible teaches that we what we are based off born (genetics), choice (chose to be) or environment (up bringing/circumstance, peer pressure, etc.)… Agression was natural, which worked to my advantage when i was young, I learned over time that there was a lot of opportunities a missed due to people being nervous to deal with me. I’ve learned to control those urges. I look at gays the same way. All other species don’t do it, my dog is not dealing with no males but all females end up pregnant (he got game)… Last but not least I consider you above other species, I hope you consider me the same.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        the Bible teaches us to live in fear and worship someone that doesn’t need it or face eternity in burning hell (even though he loves you). Furthermore, the bible teaches genocide, slavery, torture, blood sacrifice and a whole host of other bronze age shit that one can only shudder at how things must’ve been when people took that ish seriously…smh

        The aggressive urge causes harm, the gay urge doesn’t (unless they try it on with the wrong guy of course).
        Other species do it, it’s clearly documented.

        You may want to place yourself above other species but I don’t see any other species killing for fun or threatening to extinct themselves or destroying the planet….

      • Brindle

        cats, including lions kill for fun all the time, it’s called prey drive. You don’t believe in God, so it would be a waist of time to debate his laws before debating his existance. To me the gay mess causes great harm (I’ll leave out God). Its a proven fact through history that as every major society became OK with gay stuff that society fell shortly after, not because God made them fall but because they became apathetic to their lack of morality. That morality keeps us moving in a forward motion. I agree, morals takes a lot of discipline and brings a pressure most aren’t built for especially if they’re born that way. Its gay now, next its anything goes. but you’ll say “at least no body got hurt”, “at least he’s getten his money”, “it aint tricken if you got it” etc…

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        it’s not a proven fact that those societies fell because of being ‘OK with gay stuff’. They were also having heterosexual orgies eating too many grapes, and worshipping goats…how do you know that wasn’t the reason they fell; cause they were so lazy in their success that the more hardcore Barbarians were able to defeat them whilst they were hungover or some ish?

        none of written history is ‘proven fact’ when you’re going that far back bruv..

        and btw, lions or cats are not extincting species. only humans..

      • Brindle

        also, the Bible don’t teach us to live in fear… it was written in Hebrew, the word fear in the Bible is not like fear of roaches, its fear as in great respect… AND saying the bible teaches slavery is like saying history books teach slavery… they just speaken on history

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        to paraphrase the great minds of Chris Hitchens and George Carlin, religion is child abuse, religion is genital mutilation; religion is blood sacrifice. religion teaches fear from early childhood on by stating there’s an invisible man living in the sky watching everything you do for every second of your life (like a celestial North Korea). And what’s worse you don’t even get any peace when you die; he’s still watching you for eternity after that… I mean WTF?

        furthermore, if christians are right, then a few billion muslims are wrong and going to hell.

        if muslims are right, then the billions of christians are wrong and going to hell…

        so which God is it to be Brindle? Zeus? Thor? Mithra? Neptune? Allah?

      • Brindle

        for the simple fact you named George Carlin (a comedian, no different than Kevin Heart) a great mind to listen to regarding religion… I’ll end our discussion now…

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        i think that’s probably best.

      • Dhz30

        Hitchslap

      • SBRon

        “Crazy delusions of a big white man / Sittin’ in a thrown, magic wand in his hand/ You go to Heaven…you, you go to Hell…”

      • sophia

        Please see the CDC’s most recent study on HIV and AIDS in the US. Gay men lead this area.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        so by that logic, if most murders are committed by heterosexuals should we fight against heteros?

      • Craig

        U said>>>I feel being gay (born, chosen or environmental) is not an excuse for the action.

        I agree with that other than its actually an excuse but the thing is they wont classify it as a mental illness which is what it is, but after a certain age its more than a mental illness because it sticks in the mind so yeah after a certain age they have an excuse but they wont classify it what it is so it just cause more ruckus and confusion, thats what makes me not like older gay people cause they try to push it on kids who are confused they push confused kids straight into the gay box rather than trying to push them into the straight box.

    • sophia

      Then a pedophile also can’t change. Then a sex addict can’t change. Gay is not genetic. It is based on ones environment. The born gay tag line is only used to gain sympathy. If being gay is genetic then they can compare it to blacks etc… BUT ITS NOT!!! GAY IS A CHOICE!!! Please note turning straight men gay is a sport for gays. Please google it and you will see porn links galore on it.

      • Black Jay

        I love it when someone presents this theory…… Look…. Under your premise, what you’re saying is that people can be programmed to like or dislike anything. You’re basically saying that a heterosexual woman or man can be programmed to like gay sh*t. Right? Because you’re saying being gay is a choice. So by that same theory, being heterosexual is a choice. Right?
        That is complete and utter nonsense. Sure you can be programmed for anything. But it goes against nature. It goes against the very concept of natural selection. Didn’t hitler learn that the hard way?
        Look…… I’m a Christian. And one of the dopest things I love about God is that he made ALL MEN AND WOMEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES!!! I don’t have the right to push past that basic belief. As much as I may disagree with homosexuality my Christianity hasn’t blinded me to the fact that you are what you are. And the path you chose, based on a bible or your own beliefs, should not be regulated by your neighbor down the street. It is an intimate relationship between you and God or whoever you choose to worship. That is the dope aspect of all religions. You control your destiny.
        If you really want to be honest about the situation, programming begins from the time the baby can communicate in the mother’s womb until death. It doesn’t stop. But you must be crazy out of your mind if you try to go ala cart. It’s impossible.
        People need to just stop trying to force their religions and beliefs on other people and accept the fact that some want to go to heaven and some don’t. But you are supposed to hate the sin. Not the sinner. So all of this judging and sh*t needs to cease.
        Believe it or not, there was a time when oral sex was against the law. Yet I can’t find a single person that hasn’t done it. And no matter what you say nobody can tell me that fellatio or cunnilingus is natural. It’s not. But 99.9 % of people do it. Are you trying to tell me that this act is natural? Give me a break…. So you want to program people not to eat p*ssy? No? Believe it or not, the choice to perform fellatio is no different than the choice to be gay. It’s all based on what you like.
        But since we’re on that subject, people are hypocrites. Because a lot of women have anal sex quite frequently with their man. And I don’t believe that it’s an acceptable sex act in ANY RELIGION. Yet, I know more and more women are in to it. Are you posing these same questions to them?
        Just focus on your life. Stop worrying about the gay dude down the street. Chances are you have more in common with him than you know.

      • sophia

        Gay is not genetic it is purely environmental.

        Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a “gay gene”:

        “Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don’t think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay.”

        Current evidence suggests that environmental, familial, and personal influences contribute significantly to the development of homosexual tendencies. Seventy years of therapeutic counseling and case studies show a remarkable consistency concerning the origins of the homosexual impulse as an uncompleted gender identity seeking after its own sex to replace what was not fully developed in childhood.

        It is the acting on these feelings that constitutes homosexuality. Many people have left the homosexual community and live successful heterosexual lives, which often includes marriage and raising children.

        Finally, universalism is wishful thinking. It would be nice if everyone went to heaven but sadly that is not what the Bible teaches. Hebrews 2:3. John 3:36. Believers have everlasting life. Unbelievers don’t. If universalism is true then who are the unbelievers who have the wrath of God abiding on them?

      • Black Jay

        What’s your point? Don’t start quoting a lot of books to me because people don’t live in books. People live in life. Show me the practical application of your positions.
        I notice you didn’t have a response for the oral sex thing. Why? Because I’m 100% correct. Performing oral sex is no different than a gay person liking what they like. Show me one church that condones oral sex. None of them view it as acceptable. Yet almost all people do it. Also you didn’t address the anal sex issue and how many many women are having anal sex with their husbands. Yet the church doesn’t agree with it at all.

        Don’t quote the bible to me. It only proves you went to church. Bottom line….. Be responsible for your soul. Stop trying to tell other people about theirs. If you perform oral sex, you aren’t in any better a position than a gay person. Your sh*t is just more acceptable because of the reins being relaxed by society. There was a time when oral sex was against the law too. Just as homosexuality. I don’t practice that because I believe it’s wrong. But I’m not going to push my beliefs on others. And true Christians shouldn’t do it either because at the end of the day, you’re only responsible for YOUR SOUL.

      • sophia

        “Don’t start quoting a lot of books to me because people don’t live in books.” ………LOL ok.

        Hebrews 13:4

        Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

        So basically, if you are married man/woman everything is game in the marriage bed. Only the fringe churches govern what goes on in a marriage bed.

        This may come as a shocker, but porn is different from real sex. Experts Report 90% Rise In Relationship Problems Due To Pornography. Please understand that finishing on a woman’s face, anal, etc… all the garbage you see in porn is not love. If you picked up a book you may one day bring your mate to orgasm. LOL

      • Black Jay

        So let me get this right….. Are you really trying to tell me that anal sex between a woman and a man is okay in the bible? Is that what you’re really trying to tell me? What’s your minister’s name? Me and that woman or man need to have a talk. Hahahahaha…..

        Nah…. You trying to go ala cart on a dude. You can’t do that. There are some things that are in the bible that are as questionable as ever. What about back in the day when White people used that passage against us to oppress Black People? You can’t deny that the passage is there. Are you saying they were right.

        Here’s the thing about the bible. It’s supposed to be a “guide” to live your life by. It’s not supposed to be something you live by word for word. If you did, you’d be really messed up. There are parts of the bible that haven’t even been found. How many times has the bible been rewritten? And you’re putting 100% of your life in that? Completely? Nah. Not me.

        There are certain things that are universal throughout all religions. Don’t steal. Don’t lie. etc…. But there are some things that are out there in all religions.

        Bottom line…. You are responsible for your soul. Isn’t that enough? Get off of the “I hate gays” bus. Because if I’m correct, you’re a sinner too. Me too. And the only unforgivable sin is suicide. So it all washes away. Deal with the fact that your sin isn’t cleaner than any other person’s. Because if we all don’t repent, nobody will make it to heaven. Worry about your own soul. Let them dudes do their thing. Get your cunnilingus. Either way we are only responsible for ourselves.

        PS…. And I don’t have any problems with orgasms. Lol!!!

      • Craig

        right on, I dont dislike them for the lifestyle I dislike them for pushing it on kids an black people through the media and laws, theres always somebody white behind these mainstream movements with alternative agendas mostly involving money and power..

      • Black Jay

        I feel you on that. I don’t recommend discussing sexual issues with ANY CHILD. Heterosexual or Homosexual. I think their minds are too impressionable.
        But from what I’ve witnessed, most gay people DON’T push their sexuality on the children. You may have a few that want to adopt. And that’s a whole other topic in itself, but most Gay people only want equal rights. I can’t hate on them for that.
        This may be funny but……
        I personally don’t agree with the Gays in the military thing and Gays in the NFL thing at all. It’s not for the reasons you think though. I personally believe if they get to shower with men and they get to see what turns them on, I should be able to shower with the whole NFL cheerleading squad or females in general. Why not do anyway with separate showers all together. It sounds ridiculous!
        Hahahahaha…. YOU KNOW WOMEN WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT. EVER! So why should Gay men be the exception? I’m kinda joking but I’m kinda serious… Call it SHOWER JEALOUSY…. Lol!!!

    • Craig

      Your post is perfect, the only thing I disagree with is if they can stop, they can stop, like if someone told me to stop eating milk and cookies could I stop? yes. but would I stop? no. would it be easy? no. So as for grown men u are right they wouldn’t stop and I don’t think theres a need for them to stop, BUT as for KIDS, they can stop and they should be encouraged to stop rather than encourage to be gay, My problem only comes in when they push it in kids faces an try to get people to submit to the money making gay agenda, its all ABOUT MONEY!! White people want rights on top of rights, they should be respected as they were living anyway, but they want extra stuff by using a made up ter which is gay, the correct term is homosexual lifestyle, which is a choice that u can live, I dont believe that if a guy or girl wants to have sex with the same gender are gay nor does I think that makes them gay or bisexual, it just means they committed a homosexual act in the privacy of their home which is none of my damn business, but it seems to me all of them want a pat on the back. And I don’t even have to bring God or the bible into it to speak against it.

      • Black Jay

        Cool. I see where you’re going. I personally disagree with the like or dislike function. Some people just are born liking certain things. And some people are born hating certain things. For instance, I can’t stand boiled okra. My grandmother tried to program that into me for all my life! Straight up! But I still hate that slimy stuff. From the first taste. That’s a genetic thing. I don’t believe it has anything to do with being programmed. My sister is petrified of fluffy things. She didn’t have a bad experience at all. Nothing like that in the house. But she still hates it. It’s gross to her. Some things we are born with. I’m sorry. And sexuality is one of those things. Now…. Can it be unfairly coaxed? Unfairly encouraged? Absolutely! In fact, when I was in college I used to work in a department store with several gay people. Some of them told me they were molested and raped as children by a family member. That’s unfair coaxing. You can look for the aggressive gene in a dog and coax it to be violent. But make no mistake…. That aggressiveness was always there. Have you ever seen a gay kid? I know I have. And the parents were as straight as ever. I had this guy on my street that was a gay kid. Absolutely. No sisters. Two brothers. And a NFL type dad. Alpha male father. The dude still grew up and chose to be outwardly gay.
        So… Nah…. I believe heterosexuals are heterosexuals. But gays were born gay also. There is no other valid explanation.

      • Craig

        Oh but if u were starving, u would eat that boiled Okra and it would taste good or put that boiled Okra against something worse. Kids are influence, when my aunts used to joke around talking about I got a girlfriend in elementary I used to say ILL but I aint gay I think it made me shy though, but I will say kids shouldn’t be joked around like that sex should be taught from a scientific standpoint and I believe kids should know before someone else tells them, cause in 2014 if your kid gets on the internet an u aren’t doing your job hes gonna see stuff u probably have never see. When I have kids books of knowledge will be the new tv and when they get of age after learning g stuff, I will show them everything good and bad and talk about it.

  • Charlene Mozee

    I support this stand completely. Your right to descent is to be respected if you want to be respected. Because you don’t agree does not mean you can’t love a person. I love my adult children but I don’t agree with every decision they make.

  • Jonathan Cayol

    Shouts out to my brother in Yehoshua the Messiah Bizzle & for all yall godless dudes out there stay in your lane we just doing what Jesus aka Yehoshua told us to do just like you do what Satan inspires you to do . Don’t nobody get mad when Papoose & M.O.P. make a song with the hook saying ” increase the murder rate ” but you get mad when a Christian says it’s wrong man check it I been reading bamas comments on here for a good while & I’m like you know what I had enough a whole lot of people wanna come against Christ followers but guess what your proving that Jesus is real because He said the world hated me first so they will hate you . We are the real public enemies , we getting beheaded overseas you got many Muslims coming to Christ & getting they head smooth snipped off for it but guess what yall can’t stop us all yall God haters all yall mad cuz we tryna tell yall the truth because we love yall man I was there pistols machine guns South East , Washington DC ! Crack selling fighting it’s nothing in them streets & America is the new Sodom & Gomorrah got the toughest rappers scared to come against homosexuality but guess what you’ll say no church ! The church means assembly it aint about no building it’s about the assembly coming together in Jesus name ! If yall wanna hear the truth Macklemore dissed Christianity & that is the only reason my man Bizzle spoke up we can’t be fault finders & point out your every sin because we can’t see your every sin but what love will do is say hey man I was there bruh & it aint no future in that bruh & then explain the One who supernaturally changed them which is Jesus the Christ . But guess what alot of times yall don’t realize due to the fact many haven’t read the Bible that dudes like Bizzle & myself who raps are doing what we’re told just like a Mafia dude who takes orders & hits whoever the boss said hit . Jesus said in the Bible to go all over & preach the gospel read your Bible Mark 16:15 , Matthew 28:19 . If you a blood or a crip & the big homie tell you go then you go , but the problem is most people have no true relationship with God & they get angry at God’s people because they misconstrue our roles for judging them when really if we preach don’t do this or don’t do that that’s not judging that’s warning ! Because hell awaits . & if the Bible says sinners & homosexuals for that matter go to hell but Jesus has the power to deliver you from the eternal hell fire we just being His ambassadors how can a man not see that !? You know why because of being blinded by the evil one because your still bound by Satan . Notice how no one gets uptight or mad about Satan but everyone mocks God . How many rappers do you hear mock Satan man I grew up off that real hard rap hearing Big L blaspheme Jesus hearing Eazy E call himself the m)(*&^$%^$#n devil’s son in law . It is what it is man , my name is Jonathan Cayol you could hear my music on Youtube I gotta few videos far from wack & I’m on sound cloud I come from a real life man too many rappers being selfish keeping it real it’s time we disciples of the Way give it real baby ! Real live .

    • Opposite Of Everyone

      it appears you still have the colonialists ‘slave pacifier’ lodged in your throat.

      • Christianity was in Ethiopia when the white people were still eating their own poop in front of a camp fire.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        It’s funny I did all that typing & didn’t even scroll down to tell him that . It’s sad many black people have a hard heart because of what white slave masters did & instead of getting mad at Satan my fellow black people get mad at Jesus & meanwhile Jesus is like I aint got nothing to do with those wicked white guys who enslaved yall raped your children & twisted scripture & brainwashed you with heresy , Jesus allowed us to win a war & live in freedom but don’t nobody wanna go there & guess what those same ole’ slaves never turned their back on Jesus because they realized that these white slave masters were evil & that Jesus was with them the entire time just like how Israel was in slavery to wicked Egyptian slave masters for the same amount of bondage do the math 400 years , hello anybody out there ?! Yehoshua is Lord I have experienced to many supernatural encounters to pretend that He isn’t who He says He is many are just blinded in sin & do the tit for tat speech immature fault finders at the end of the day the whole discussion started because Macklemore dissed Christianity & Bizzle spoke up get a grip, ya dig ?

      • Nicely said! I’ve also experienced too many supernatural things to pretend that He isn’t who He says he is.

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Let’s not play games on this site because alot of people talk recklessly but don’t care to study they come against Jesus & scripture but yet their also not even interested in Jesus & scripture enough to stand in the discussion so it is more respectable if you just keep your mouth off Jesus if you don’t wanna study & do the knowledge & seeking to state your false claims about our God you feel me Tim ?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        It’s funny how just because some wicked white man who had slaves & took on the religion of Christianity manipulating blacks with scripture & perverting the gospel for the selfish gain get credited as if they have something to do with what’s written in the Bible . I hear people even recklessly say stuff like King James wrote the Bible that is embarrassing to even say that because everyone knows King James only help publish the Bible so it can be accessible & nothing more King James wasn’t even born no where near any of the time any scripture was written . It’s also sad because there were already African Christians before slavery in America haven’t you read your Bible have you not read about the Ethiopian eunuch who willingly desired to be baptized in Jesus name & received the Holy Ghost when the disciple Philip was told by Jesus to go & preach to the Ethiopian eunuch while the eunuch was on his way to Jerusalem to worship reading the book of Isaiah in Acts 8:26-40 ? What did ya boy Jeru the Damajah say come clean man you don’t realize who your talking to bro lolol . It’s all good though man . Lolol clearly you haven’t really read the Bible because of your response because if you have you would realize how anti Jesus is towards people who oppress other people . When was the last time you Googled Luke 4:18 . & did you know that Muslims did the same thing to Africans & that Africans were finally freed from slavery in the 60’s ? Just because I love Jesus & live for Jesus & worship Jesus & pray to Jesus doesn’t make me a enslaved black man to some old white slave masters I never met or seen . You don’t know me I am a young black dude who shot people stabbed people & even beat up white people who came in my neighborhood in South East DC . Have we met ? Clearly you got me mistaken clearly your antichrist but don’t get mad if I am pro Christ . Please go in peace bruh .

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  • Robertcarvalho

    Real talk biz , nuff respect.

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  • C.

    This is the dumbest set of opinions I’ve seen against gays, ever. The Bible was used to condone slavery as it clearly says a slave must be obedient to his master; it furthered peoples idea that persecution by color was justified and lead to the “murder for fun” someone would mention. And yet, even with that in your mind, you manage to miss the fact that you’re no better than those who would hate you for being of a different color. You can’t change the way someone is born, no on intentionally decides to become something they know people hate. Conversion therapy is not supported by any point in modern medicine or psychology, with NO proof that it works. (can I put you in a room and tell you to turn your skin white until it does??? No, but after a bunch of people telling you black is wrong, I bet you’d wish you could.) It would be wonderful if dumb a$$ rappers like this would pick up other books to further their knowledge on a subject before they run their mouths about it. I look at previously discriminated against minorities and I wonder why it is they feel the need to turn around and pull the same sh*t that made their lives so hard. Gays marrying isn’t hurting anything, it’s awarding them benefits and rights that any person deserves. If you want to push your bible on people, then you best support the whole thing. – slavery, polygamy and all. By the by, an ex pimp drug user can claim his sins are forgiven, but the damage you’ve done to other people along the path of such a sordid life, will never be as harmful as one man loving another.

    • Ryan

      Ad hominem, Classy.

    • Opposite Of Everyone

      A to the motherfu(kin Men

    • Papi Peligro

      It would be wonderful if dumb a$$ rappers like this would pick up other books to further their knowledge

      They could pick up THIS BOOK. Let me get a song dissing premarital sex. Let me get a song against womens rights. Against the right of their family member selling them into slavery. Let me get a song to bring back Prohibition.

      • The rules in the Law were for a particular people at a particular time and place. Remember that mean law against sleeping around? You should stone someone if they were doing that in 1200BC in the desert? What a dumb rule. The mom only needs to sign up for WIC in 1200BC. Oh wait, the single mom and baby would have starved to death. An israelite could voluntarily sell themselves into slavery to prevent death. What should have happened in 1200BC in the desert? Welfare?

      • Papi Peligro

        Homie they had Welfare in Israel it was called the Gleaning system. Farmers were not allowed to pick up food that fell off of the tree so poor people could come and pick it up and eat it. If you think the fact that the mother’s life would be 1 of destitute gives god the morality to kill you then that shows how messed up your morality is.

      • That’s right. But if it was the free-for-all that it is nowadays, that system would have been overwhelmed. The laws reflected the seriousness of that.

      • Papi Peligro

        Due to High Mortality rate of both the mother and the child during birth uhrm it wouldn’t have been overwhelmed. People living allot less longer led to less people alive. It still doesn’t give god the right to murder them.

      • If there was sufficient food, like in a family with a mom and dad, infant mortality rates would be high by todays standards but not that high. Probably similar to some 3rd world countries. However, it would have been a slow death sentence if the mom had to raise the baby alone. The gleaning was to protect people who perhaps lost their husband, or whatever. If it was there just to feed all the single mothers that kept giving birth like crazy, that would have been a major problem.

      • Papi Peligro

        Mortality rates were high because of complications with giving birth. Not malnutrition. A Man could have premarital sex with a single woman as long as he paid the father the bride price. He didn’t have to marry her. He could even commit adultery and have sex with her and as long as he paid the bride price he was fine. So not only was it slanted to rich people being able to do things poor people couldn’t but also would allow for people to not be stoned.

      • You don’t believe in God, right? Name a single event in the history of the universe that could have been any different than it actually was. By what mechanism could it have been different? Why are you arguing how things ought to have been?!

      • Papi Peligro

        Cause and effect doesn’t prove God. You growing doesn’t prove god. No more than the sun. Yet its the same cosmic process of atomic division. That doesn’t prove God. That’s another topic. This topic is “Does GOD MORAL have moral authority based on the Bible”
        If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins.

        TELL ME IF YOU CAN STONE A WOMAN WHY THAT S MORAL?

      • You go first. Answer my question above. Then I’d be happy to answer yours. Name a single event that could be different than it was. By what mechanism could it have been different. Cause and effect don’t prove God, but it certainly makes me curious why you are upset about ancient morality when nothing (down to the slightest atom colliding with another atom) could have been any different than how it was.

      • Papi Peligro

        Because you have a tunneled view of the way history actually was. I’m not arguing how things ought to have been? I’m saying that the Bible doesn’t have moral authority to dictate to someones life. Next off. To say how things ought to have been the bible would have to say how things were. We all know that historically the Bible is grossly inaccurate. Its like Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter. Sure there was Chicago and a man name Abraham Lincoln in the 1800’s. Did he chase vampires and slay them? No. So I’m looking at it as a Moral compass. Not as a historical document. Those laws never existed in Israel because their is no Historical evidence that Israel in the first temple ever existed. Egypt conquered Megiddo at the time David and Saul should have been on the throne. Even the recorded history of Shishank mentioned in the Bible destroying Jerusalem doesn’t mention him attacking Judah. He setup a temple in Meggido. Commemorating his victory. So we are arguing morality not Historical things really happened.

      • Nice job totally avoiding the question. You should check out “On the Reliability of the Old Testament” by Kenneth Kitchen. You won’t of course, but it would challenge what you believe.

      • Papi Peligro

        Ok. let me see. I’ll answer that. Because as a society it failed. As a religious hub it failed. It got conquered and even your God deemed it not worth saving. Men lying with Men was not the REASON why God abandoned them. They rejected his Son. So all these people were moral and because of the rejection of someone god gave no viable identifying power too that would leave with a shadow of a doubt this is the son of god or god depending on your beliefs. He walked away. Particularly at a time when it was many many messiahs. So yes that is why I am trying to keep their failed political religious policies from dooming my own country.

      • Here’s the question, since you must have forgotten: What event in the past could have been any different than it was (in your worldview)? By what mechanism could it have been different?

      • Papi Peligro

        Maybe I don’t understand the question.

        What event in the past could have been any different than it was?

        Does this mean the accuracy of the event. Does this mean if I could change a historical event what would it be. I don’t understand the question.

      • Not the accuracy of the event. What event could have been different than it was? You think things were “immoral”. It “would have been better” if they were different. Remember, all we have are natural laws, and space-time, fields, matter, energy, etc… Every motion of every particle is a prisoner to those laws. What event could have been different than it was?

      • Papi Peligro

        Selling ones daughter off into slavery. Unlike a boy who is sold off into slavery a daughter sold off into slavery could never be free. I don’t understand why a girl slave could never go free and a boy sold off into slavery could. Even more so the sale was made so that the parent could pay off their debt. So the girl didn’t do anything of her accord to justify a lifetime of servitude. Of which all her children would undoubtedly be slaves.

      • That’s a good first step. You are right. You don’t understand why they decided to do that.

      • Papi Peligro

        IT WAS MORALLY WRONG TO DO THAT. It didn’t benefit the people in anyway. In particular since all of your debts were reset ever 7 years. So why sell your daughter into eternal slavery.

      • Papi Peligro

        Also the land could not be procured by anyone other than your family. Everyone in Israel owned there own land. You could not sell it off. Reason why Jezzebel killed someone. It would return so that you always had a piece of land. So literally they were just being cruel to women because men were more physically powerful.

      • It SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN THAT WAY! LOL. Now, answer my question that you have ignored like 10 times in a row now.

      • Papi Peligro

        I did answer it. They didn’t have to sell their daughters into eternal servitude. To justify it you would have to spiral into a even more immoral acts and admissions.

      • Every single thing that we call a thought has a natural explanation in physics and chemistry. By what physical mechanism could the people have made different “decisions”? Think of it this way:

        Imagine n bodies in space, moving around each other. Let’s say 50 years before, a couple of them had collided and stuck together. Oh, what an accident! If only they had moved out of the way. It’s the same idea here. Oh, but we can “choose”. Uh huh. Do you believe in some weird disembodied mind for people or something, somehow separate from the natural world?! It sounds like you do.

      • Papi Peligro

        You are making an excuse for immoral behavior. By saying that this was ok because the supposed negative affects of allowing women civil rights would be cruel to the woman. These laws helped keep the world moving. To me that is what you are proposing with this line of questioning. Instead of stating a purpose you are using questions so as to say it but not say it. Because if took the position that it was OK for women to be treated in this way. Then you would be in line with early America before women’s sufferage. You would be in line with current way Muslim women are treated. You would justify that behavior because it is the supposed natural order of things. Here’s the part you leave out. Nowhere else in nature does this behavior show itself among animals of the same species. Seeing how the Bibles laws were supposedly unique laws. In particular laws built around covetousness that could not be regulated and the Jubilee year made it unique. So if this is knock on like Gay people. Saying its unnatural. The way nature handles the unnatural is to not allow that to be passed on to the next generation. It doesn’t kill them. Gay animals all over nature. Some that change their sex. The universe does not dictate to you that if you do not procreate or if do self stimulation that you will instantly die. You just won’t pass on your genes to the next life. Sexual orientation has no baring on the universal laws of procreation. He can sleep with 1 woman 1 time spend the rest of his life with Men and still pass on his gene. Also as a communal society under your premise of people existing solely for procreative purposes we would die after our reproductive organs shut down. Sort of like spawning fish. We have evolved to go beyond. That is why grandmothers and fathers exist to help stablilize the family as you go through your procrative years. Now you can’t take 2 sides of a position. You can’t say man exists to procreate and then he can’t cheat. Or some men can’t resist the urge to cheat. Because that my friend is your natural inclination to want to spread your seed around to many people to pass on your GENES. So you can’t say 1 wife then also say well NATURE is what decides who is right in this argument. Cause under that premise the bible is again wrong.

      • : ask a friend to explain to you what I’m saying.

      • Papi Peligro

        How about you just make a declarative statement. Im interested in your beliefs or what you are trying to convey but you are asking a question that can go many direction. I asked a friend. They didnt understand. This type of thought process is done by those who try to use word trickery instead of clear coat point.

        The only thing I can think of is you are saying like if the Earth was X amount of distance closer to the sun we would have burned up colder we would have snowballed. This doesn’t prove creation. As you don’t have a set in stone for ever world. If that was true the earth would stand forever. The problem is the processes that aligned to make the earth will also cause the earth and everything on it to no longer exist. Just like Mars had Water on it. But its core burned out but did god put water on Mars or did the factors and conditions in mars align to sustain water for a period of time. Again. You knocking that I don’t understand the question. But if you have a point that can be reasoned on you would make it as opposed to trying to mind trick with questions that had no context in the discussion.

      • Shalove2

        LGBT lobby got there money’s worth with you didn’t they.

      • Papi Peligro

        No God and jugdemental people wasted a whole lot of my life with their Lies, rhetorical logic, and just plain evil. I was person raised where the outside world was considered bad and wrong. Love of someone outside of the church was no different than someone not being able to love someone of the opposite sex it was the same sin. That’s why I KNOW so much about the Bible. That’s why I hate when people use against other’s.

    • Jdilla2982 .

      The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives
      instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was more a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters….So if we are gonna quote the Bible lets quote it right

      • The_Good_Life

        Also the Hebrews had rules on slavery because they themselves were conquered by many empires. The Egyptians had them in slavery, the Persians (King Xerxes mentioned in the movie 300 and the Bible), the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Grecians (Alexander the great) and the Romans.

    • Craig

      polygamy doesnt even compare, I look at that like I look at weed, perfectly natural. But since 2 gay people cant make a baby, that tells me all I need to know. U complaining about rights, but gay rights is rights on top of rights aint nobody stopping yall from being together, I just think yall mad cause the religions yall used to claim dont want to accept u, black people never even had rights in the beginning, gay people want rights on top of being citizens. especially white people, black people don’t even have the same opportunities as white as it stands now an the newly created gay agenda is trying to give them more opportunities for money making. I’m not fool, everything isnt as it seems, even the civil rights movement wasn’t as it seems cause it was financed by white people, u see white people only gave blacks rights after they stole all the wealth accumulated from all the FREE slave labor once they had all the wealth they had all the control so they arent even worried about black people now (they are paranoid though) an they try to promote America as a land of togetherness an almighty power to the world but we all know right under the surface is the pain of the past that has never been set right from the country, thats why shcool history books are being written an have so many lies in them. If black people dont wake up the history books will say in 50 years that Micheal Jordan was white.

      And as for theses holy books: 1. they all came from Africa and #2. they all have been tampered with copied from and adjusted. 3. There is no reason for religion from the white man to be pushed on people in different countries like Africa when they had their own spirituality(thats funny business)

  • Andy

    There was one point he was dead wrong about. Homosexuals are born gay, cmon man. Or at the very least it’s 50% genetic with some environmental factors influencing it. I didn’t choose to be a heterosexual when I was a baby. I was born a heterosexual. It’s the same for most of them on the opposite side.

    Hundreds upon hundreds of studies have proven this. For example, for each older brother a baby has (within a five year gap of them otherwise the risk subsides), many studies have shown that it increases the likelihood that that baby will be homosexual. You really think this is just a coincidence and it’s not genetic?

    • Super-Khalifah

      Human sexuality is still in a developmental stage at birth so you cant be “born gay” anymore then you can be born with 20/20 vision. There is a natural order or “path” but that can be changed or altered by environment and how we react or are effected by external stimuli. Heterosexuality is the “natural way” because the first Law of Nature is self-preservation and the ONLY way to NATURALLY preserve human life is by the union of man and woman. Put simply…there is masculine and feminine in all of us (men and women) and whatever “side” is fed the most will grow the most. Science has not concluded that homosexuality is genetic! They’ve had their tests and their theories but they are not conclusive. All they can say is that there are internal (biological) and external (environmental) aspects in the development human sexuality…that’s it.

      • Andy

        With all due respect bro, I completely disagree. Many studies I could link (can’t link on disqus) on some changes and anomalies in the mothers womb that could potentially lead the foetus to becoming a homosexual. This has been proven as fact. But I guess we should just leave it at that.

        Although one thing, as for “only way to preserve life”.
        Of course, but it’s been theorised that nature and evolution has “developed” it as a sort of safeguard and form of population control (as they don’t reproduce). I mean as a world we are slightly overpopulated right now anyway.

      • The_Good_Life

        You don’t have to post a link. Just put up a reference so we can read up on that study. Thanks

      • Papi Peligro

        Google The study found that gay men shared genetic signatures on part of the X chromosome – Xq28.

        They just recently found 40% is the cause for people being gay.

      • As I said, there are birth influences. They actually said 30-40%, so let’s not exaggerate. There’s also a warrior gene that “makes people more violent”.

      • The_Good_Life

        Thanks

      • There are birth influences, but “born that way” like it’s TRUE or FALSE is not supported by science. It’s in fact unfalsifiable, thanks to the terms “bisexual”, “straight”, and “gay”. If you take a 10 year old “gay” person, and they no longer say they are “gay” at 60, do you change your worldview, or do you just say that maybe they were bisexual or straight all along? Your position cannot be falsified.

      • Papi Peligro

        The study found that gay men shared genetic signatures on part of the X chromosome – Xq28.

        They say it accounts for 40% of the reason a person is gay.

      • Elayorx El

        I can see what you say here, as there have been studies done on the estrogenic/testosteronic imbalances in women in the “New World”, vs times past when women lived a more “natural” lifestyle.

  • Super-Khalifah

    Dude can ryme and I respect his lyrical direction! I’m gonna support his projects.

  • Ben

    If I made a song bashing Christians and lecturing them on hownti live, I would be rightfully mocked and derided.

    Why the hell do so many Christians think that gays want to be subjected to their lecturing? And why are they so easily offended when we push back?

  • The_Good_Life

    Great interview on a deep subject. Respect to Bizzle for justifying his position without tearing down the opposition.

  • Papi Peligro

    I love how pimps love to make god they new h03

  • jd

    Great interview. He’s right. Both sides need and must be heard. No one has to agree with everything or how a person chooses to live their life. Makes your points and carry on.

  • Elayorx El

    Wow, the comments here are truly enlightening, and engaging. I will say though, that as real, and true as any beliefs, or creeds in life are to some, they can be just as false, and abnormal to a whole nother set of contemporary people. At the end of the day, what are we all truly talking about? If you don’t like, or espouse something, then it is incumbent upon you, to get with other rational, like minded individuals, and try and do something about it, if you believe in it passionately, similar to this brother here. There needs to be contingencies in place, for people who do not wish to be exposed to certain things, and it should be up to those who claim to feel a certain way, to support the construction of such things, thus creating a butterfly effect, if you will. As far as the religion thing, no disrespect intended, but the Bible is but a fragment of the entire tapestry of Universal history. Everyone, including so-called Christians need to start understanding this. One system is FAR from having all of the answers, but if one works for you for your given situation, more power to you, and keep building, and learning. Is being gay the new “Black”? It’s certainly starting to look that way.

    • Action Ant

      Nothing is the “New Black”. A race can’t be replaced by sexuality. We weren’t allowed to attend certain schools, use certain toilets, or even look at a certain skin color, or Vote. You comparing the right to marry to years of ongoing oppression? What planet do you live on? Show me one person that was called a “hero” for simply being black? I can show you about 5 in recent memory that got national media attention for being gay. I’m getting sick of this stupid comparison.

      • Elayorx El

        Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on now, I wasn’t making that comparison from that one line you got out of several. I was merely stating how this new agenda seems to be taking on some of the same signs from an era when fighting for human rights was also more mainstream. I’m on your side fam. Easy.

      • Action Ant

        Though I withdraw my harshness, I still have to disagree with the comparison. They are searching for rights from a political standpoint. Our rights were negated based on pure hate and bigotry. They aren’t shipping gays off to prison or beating and hanging them for trying to get married. We were the minority in our struggle where as today you are attacked or viewed as controversial when you aren’t “pro-gay”.

      • Elayorx El

        No doubt, and considering we are in a place that treats plants, rocks, and animals better then their own fellow human counterparts, are we even a bit surprised? I agree, Action. Respect.

      • Craig

        Good convo, I’ve posted extensively on here, I think I have a view that no one else has, but as for something that I notice comes up on both sides is RELIGION, I believe in God and some of the bible, but most people who bring up the bible and other holy books have NEVER even read the whole thing lol, I havent read so I adjusted my whole argument against gays an like I said before I dont have a problem with them until they push it to kids an black people, therefore thats what they are doing therefore we got a problem, and they could solve a big part of their hangups on religion if they would get over the mental illness stigma an call it what it is a MENTAL ILLNESS.(its ONLY a mental illness when people and kids think they are born that way an or born in the wrong body) But yeah grown ups can live like they want an should be able to in peace, but don’t be pushing that agenda to everybody, if u wanna live that way go ahead I dont need to know. They feel the need to tell and fight on the offensive all because of their anger an rejection by their religions I’ve concluded. Gay rights is just a money movement, rights on top of rights ESPECIALLY for white folks. Even the cilvil rights movement wasn’t what it seemed in the end up until now although many fought bravely.

      • Elayorx El

        Absolutely, I agree! We could be harmonious, but it’s when the “agendas” transcend the “boundaries”, problems begin to develop. Respect.

      • Note

        The problem with your comparison is that you are comparing actions and not mentality…either that or you are purposely avoiding such because you are already aware of the obvious similarities they both have.

      • Action Ant

        I’m not avoiding anything. The problem is comparison itself. And the mentality in the civil rights movement was the implementation that blacks were less than human. The mentality for anti-gay is the challenge of an action to those who aren’t necessarily seen as sub-human. Theres a difference between something being questioned as “right or wrong” and someones existence being questioned no matter what they do. I honestly don’t care about whatever similarities people try to drum up. Leave our struggle out of it.

      • Note

        “And the mentality in the civil rights movement was the implementation that blacks were less than human.”

        …Incorrect….

        The implementation was actually that Blacks were less than “equal”….ultimately…thats what the Gay community wants socially.

        ” I honestly don’t care about whatever similarities people try to drum up.”

        You should…because that is the main point that is being argued when the Civil Rights Movement is mentioned.

        You are entitled to your opinion but i think you undermine the hate the gay community gets my dude.

      • Action Ant

        “Less than equal” was a byproduct of the original majority who felt we were animals, often compared to monkeys. I’m sure you’ve heard of that. Your “main point” is just fueling what they’re trying to use as a tool for their fight. My main point is that it shouldn’t be. My argument isn’t whether they receive “hate” or not. But being able to simply “be in the closet” is a lot easier than to denounce the skin you’re in. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but us blacks are still fighting our own struggles, we don’t need to attach another one to ours fighting for a “lifestyle” when we’re just fighting for a life.

      • Note

        “My argument isn’t whether they receive “hate” or not. But being able to simply “be in the closet” is a lot easier than to denounce the skin you’re in.”

        Ultimately…staying “in the closet” is in a sense denouncing the skin that you are in…..You think people want to remain closeted? Or actually live their lives without worry of oppression and various styles of persecution? I would think the latter….I understand you mean literally (The skin you’re in)…but in the end its still denying someone the opportunity to live as who they are…thats what i feel you are failing to acknowledge when you address your point. You make it seem as if they are ok with being closeted and that isn’t fair because race can’t be hidden away….The problem with that logic is that you have to prove in some way that the Gay community is ok with being closeted…which generally speaking is not true.

        ” I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but us blacks are still fighting our own struggles, we don’t need to attach another one to ours fighting for a “lifestyle” when we’re just fighting for a life.”

        I don’t think anyone is asking to attach this to the struggle Blacks have encountered in America…i think the community is trying to acknowledge the injustices in regards to civil rights by comparing the two….Ultimately, they are driven by the same mentality to hate and encounter similar events and actions in the process…In the end…Both are a Civil Rights situations.

        The “Less than human” thing has many different perspectives..yours is definitely one of them…everyone has their own perspectives…so i will just leave it at that. My perspective is equally logical…just more general.

  • Brindle

    This fool said, “Keeping o’ desires oppressed is so lame to youBut when you get married, that’s what you expect yo’ mate to do”… That pretty much sums up the born desires thing

  • Pon_de

    Can someone (who believes there is one) enlighten me on what they consider the gay “agenda”?? As far as I can tell that label is being used in an alarmist fashion to describe the growing number of people and institutions in society that simply, openly recognize that bi/homosexual people exist, have always existed, live lives immeasurably similar to people who identify as heterosexual, and should share in all the benefits and challenges that living in a post modern society provides. Too often when I hear gay “agenda” it’s marred with an insidious tone, a concerted effort to shove sex down people’s throats, indoctrinate children, co-opt the civil rights movement, etc. Is this what people truly believe??

    • Aaron Davis

      In 1973, the APA made a drastic change and declared homosexuality as a normal sexual orientation when prior to that it was listed as a mental illness. This was a political decision becuz they faced pressure from gay rights groups. There was no scientific evidence to justify this drastic change. The media then started to quote studies from various scientists stating that there is a gay gene or other science but all of those studies aren’t concrete either becuz homosexuality (like bi-sexuality) is simply a choice. Fast-forward to nowadays, and we can see it pushed by the Democratic party and other media members.

      • Pon_de

        With all due respect, I’d like to hear from people who are actually informed as to the history of LGBT issues and mental health, if you are going to comment on that relationship. Based on your comment, it’s evident that you are not one of those people. Homosexuality was removed from the DSM-II as a result of a larger anti-psychiatry movement that developed in the 1960s as society began to reject psychoanalysis as the theoretical foundation of the field. As a part of the greater counter culture shift, society moved away from defining a central model of high functioning, happiness, identity, etc. and reexamined the supposed pathology of deviant behavior. By the 1970s there were also significant studies from researchers like Kinsey and Hooker who conceptualized sexual behavior and thoughts on a continuum and proved that homosexual identities were not necessarily correlated with incidence of mental disorder. The pressure from gay rights groups that you mentioned created a conversation that cultural shifts and scientific study translated into action. There is no gay gene. There have been studies that suggest a link between certain regions on the x-chromosome and an increased predisposition of heterosexuality. The general scientific consensus is that sexuality is rooted in a combination of genetics, prenatal environment, and social influences. This would make sense as sexuality is much more than simply ‘who do you f*ck’. It is a complex human dimension that involves biological urges, conceptualization of gender and power, and situational/societal factors.

        Still hoping to hear from someone with an informed and coherent response to my original question.

      • The_Good_Life

        California senate votes to force all public schools to promote homosexuality, bisexuality and transgender education which will also include the lgbt history in textbooks. It will also be part of sex ed. I think religious parents were trying to get some form of exemption but I’m not sure if they succeeded.

      • Pon_de

        The FAIR Education Act that you’re referring to bars schools from promoting denigrating activities targeting LGBT people. It also amends the education code to require history/social studies texts to include information on the societal contributions of prominent LGBT persons. I fail to see the issues here unless you believe schools should be promoting bigotry and leave students ignorant as to the role LGBT people have played in history. Ignoring and/or deriding a community does not make it cease to exist. There is no special LGBT component to sex ed in California (not sure how LGBT sex ed could even differ from the “regular” variety). Age appropriate HIV/AIDS awareness is required in middle school and high school but offering comprehensive sex education is left to the discretion of local districts. Parents can opt their children out of either curricula.

      • The_Good_Life

        I wasn’t clear, my fault. LGBT organizations have an AGENDA (equal protection in marriage for example) that they wish to push forward in society through the legal system. They solicit big money donors, big media outlets, prominent members of society and lobbyists to take their AGENDA to members of the government who have the power to write and pass laws in their favor. Once these laws are passed it now affects other citizen whether they welcome it or not. Other organizations have their own AGENDA and do the same thing. For instance, NRA, Pharmaceutical companies, Pro life organizations, military industrial, Unions, Constitutionalist etc.

      • Pon_de

        Marriage is the establishment of a civil contract between consenting adults, bestowed and protected by government. Marriage is also a union commonly understood to be ordained by (a) God. However, until we decide that we live in a theocracy, where religious influence on civil matters is officially sanctioned, marriage remains a contractual arrangement (motivated by romantic and/or economic factors). America is not Iran or Vatican City. We have not organized our society according to religious dogma. We recognize (via a constitution) the explicit separation between matters of the state (civil society) and matters of the church (dogmatic belief).

      • Aaron Davis

        I’m always open to consciousness if that’s what u want to learn more about. I can provide links and sources to my information which u can look over. It’s very interesting that u bring up Kinsey becuz he was a psychotic, Jewish pedophile with Nazi connections as well. Who funded all of his so-called breakthrough homosexual science? The Rockefeller Foundation did & if u know anything about the Rockefellers, u know that they don’t give out money without an agenda behind it. U can look that up or I can provide u with some sources about that if need be.

      • Aaron Davis

        No one is born gay but science has proven that opposites attract especially in regards to human beings. The opposite sex naturally will be attracted to each other by design. No one forces a person to be heterosexual, they are born that way. Ppl may have greater predispositions to homosexuality but u can make the same case for criminals,alcoholics, drug abusers etc. All of that is a choice though

      • Pon_de

        We are almost reaching the point of being able to have a conversation. Do some research on gender construction, sexual behavior, social stratification, and social influence. Once you realize that homosexuality as a coherent, distinct identity didn’t crystallize until the 19th century we will be able to debate. Throughout history people have been born with certain base desires. Over time the willingness of society, as a constructed realm of human interaction, to permit the expression of those desires and respect the rights of individuals in their expression of said desires has fluctuated significantly.

      • Pon_de

        Let’s not get into deriding the resources which enable the advancement of knowledge and capability. I trust you’re aware that the very internet on which you’re communicating was developed at the behest of the Department of Defense and its desire to increase information processing for the purposes of warfare against Asian countries during the Korean War. Kinsey was not a pedophile, though his research did include some interviews of self-identified pedophiles. Your mention of Kinsey’s support from the Rockefeller Foundation is well known and irrelevant (unless you think the yellow vaccine, etc. is immoral). Attempted smears and detraction only prove you are hesitant to respond to my question: what is the gay agenda?

      • The_Good_Life

        For someone that seems smart you totally missed the point, or, your just cutting and pasting talking points. To answer your first question simply, you have an AGENDA once you petition the government (by whatever means) to forward your cause using the legislative process.

      • Elayorx El

        Just for my edification, I would be interested to know what psychological model these findings were based off of, regarding Hooker, and Kinsey.

      • Pon_de

        Kinsey was a trained biologist and Hooker was a trained psychologist. Kinsey’s research on human sexuality specifically utilized structured interviews, though I suspect his orientation was in grounded research (where one starts with an observation of phenomena and attempts to model via empirical research methods). His conceptualization is the Kinsey scale, which now rates sexual response on a 0-6 scale ranging from exclusive heterosexual response to exclusive homosexual response. Hooker utilized a mixed methods approach, where she first accumulated a self selected sample of homosexual men and then asked mental health experts to blindly screen them for mental disorder indicators. From this she was able to show that mental health could not intrinsically be linked to homosexual orientation.

      • sophia

        You are stating studies from the fraud Alfred Kinsey!!! His work has been debunked as he supported pedophilia.

        For example, Kinsey stated that there were nine men who he had interviewed who had sexual experiences with children who had told him about how the children had responded and reacted. Kinsey produced charts showing the exact time it took for children to orgasm – and he relied on the reports of people raping children and the fanciful musings of adults to produce those charts. THE SHAME!! Yes a man is what he is born biologically. There is no sexual spectrum unless you support a man who tested child orgasms.

      • Craig

        both were white.

      • Shalove2

        They also threw out 100 years of science connecting homosexuality with sexual and emotional abuse with no counter psychological studies.

      • Pon_de

        Sources please. Much as our ability to understand that the world is not flat has evolved, so have scientific measures of the human condition.

      • Elayorx El

        Exactly. As far as my experience here so far, most of which has been based on pseudo-science, obversely, “rational science” has proven that many diseases, that humanity still suffers from to this very day, were born out of perverse same-sex practices. These are documented facts, with the same “accessability”, as the information used to “prove” otherwise.

    • Elayorx El

      Well, considering that this is a Hip-Hop site, traditionally, the soil in which Hip-Hop culture has sprung from, has always had a different view, not to mention overall practice when it came to sexuality, predominantly. When we say “agenda”, we more or less refer to the dictionary meaning of the term, and again, predominantly, mean no disrespect. I think a good example would be from the new artist, Macklemore, with his song, “Same Love”, where there does seem to be something attached to the patterns, and intentions of that song. That would be like me creating a song in the Jewish culture, “dictating” that they should start vaccinating their children, when traditionally it is not in their practice to do so. That may be where some of the “insidious marred tones” stem from. Alot of the comments are reactionary, which is usually rife with misplaced emotion. We truly do, as a nation at least, need a constructive, and equitable open forum on these subjects. I hope that helps, and if not, well, I sincerely tried:-) Respect.

      • Pon_de

        I’m focusing on your first sentence: “…a Hip-Hop site, traditionally, the soil in which Hip-Hop culture has sprung from…”
        Hip-Hop’s essence is giving voice to those people who come from the forgotten places, those people who not only survive but endure in spite of the dominant culture’s wishes that they’d evaporate and its regular attempts to eviscerate said people. Admittedly, I don’t know if I believe that a middle class White kid from Seattle, WA can really internalize the depths of struggle sufficient enough to resonate with what hip hop means to me. But I’m not really hear to debate the appropriateness of Macklemore performing hip hop. I feel there is obvious linkage between his song and what I believe is the cruz hip hop. My request is for someone to articulate what constitutes THE gay agenda, when all I see are people who challenge others for the freedom to live their existence openly and fully. More and more the resistance seems like a phenomenon of a precarious coalition of influential cultures wrapped up in “ickiness” as a cover for insecure ideals of masculinity, salvation, sexuality, and vanity.

      • Elayorx El

        Understood, and that is part of my point, where I state that this is a, “Hip-Hop site”, whereby staying within the parameters of what dictates “Hip-Hop life”. It is far too vast a topic to try and define, or explain for any other group of people. Now, are you looking for someone to articulate this point from a “Hip-Hop”perspective, because if I wasn’t crystal in my explanation previously, you need look no further than many posts here, not to mention the mainstream medias’ passive-aggressive behavior towards cultures, or those who may not totally agree with the pro-gay “agenda”. At the end of the day, the wording is not as important as the outright, cause and effect patterns that clearly play out to anyone willing to look. Finally, the “precarious coalition of influential cultures”, as you put it, ironically was pretty much started by a supremely patriarchal, heavily same-sex-relation influenced, militaristic way of growing, and developing, in an as yet, unproven system for human beings worldwide. Which is why I asked you below, of the psychological model being used by those doctors you cited earlier, because there is a stark difference between the psychological model of the so-called, “Old-World”, and the one that is considered so advanced today.

    • Shalove2

      The gay agenda is that of the LGBT communities attempt to have their deviant lifestyle choice considered part of the norm. I am old enough to remember the original live and let live philosophy to the lifestyle choice to the I was born this way. The attempt to coopt the civil rights movement and compare the false struggle of gays with those of the African American community and the infiltration of the social religious institutions like marriage by changing the intended definition under the guise of marriage equality.

      • Shalove2

        Or as stated in the Bible, “make evil fair seeming”.

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  • Jonathan Cayol

    At the end of the day Macklemore dissed Christianity & Bizzle spoke up ya dig ? Bizzle would of probably never said anything if Macklemore wouldn’t have put his mouth on Jesus & His people like that , if yall wanna support homosexuality go ahead & do what you do but if you wanna serve Jesus than make up your mind put up or shut up , I’m sick of all these tough guys sticking up go homo lifestyles but blaspheme Jesus in rap lyrics he already died on the cross for your sins name one homo who died for you got beat for died & rose for you & is there at your every beckon call when you repent , man I come from the streets & it’s sickening to see so many thug tough guys behind the mic making a mockery of the intensity of Jesus . Don’t get Jesus twisted slim His eyes are a blaze of fire revelations 19:12 & when He comes back he will destroy the entire earth with much wrath & I will be there with Him & the saints , don’t think it’s a game read the entire book of Joel too many people got jokes like family guy etc. but guess what laughing & jokes got it’s boundaries shorty .

    • Pon_de

      When/where did Jesus speak of homosexuality in any capacity?

      • Jonathan Cayol

        Jesus never spoke word for word against homosexuality that we have recorded in our scriptures however God the Father did in the Old Testament as well as Jesus’ apostle Paul in Romans 1:26-32 & the Bible says in Ephesians 2:20 that the church is built on the foundation of the apostles & prophets . We are to follow what the apostles & prophets spoke in our holy scriptures because they’re ordained by God . Jesus said in Luke 10:16 whoever hears you hears Me & whoever rejects you rejects Me & whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me . 1st Corinthians 12:27 says we are the body of Christ there is no dividing us .Genesis 1:28 says be fruitful & multiply you cannot be fruitful & multiply unless you have a female & a male anything else is demonic , God attended it to be this way & Jesus said in Mark 10:9 what God joined together let no man separate . So when you decide to go against God’s design your separating , Jesus said He who is not with Me is against Me Matthew 12:30 . Your forcing me to take you to the word which is good bring more questions I got the Word of God & the Bible says the Word became flesh & dwelt among men & men knew Him not because He is Light & they love darkness John 1 !

      • Adam

        I don’t know, but Jesus never mentions rape either. So does that make it okay to do? You know, what you’re spewing is a logical fallacy known as “Arguement from Silence”. When you fail to mention a certain act or sin, it doesn’t automatically exempt it from being wrong or evil. However, by your logic, Pon_de, I can rape, beat my spouse, and destroy public property because “Jesus doesn’t say anything about it” hurr hurr.

      • Action Ant

        Wrong. Rape = Fornication. also “Obey the laws of the land”… I’m pretty sure that goes against destroying public property. And I’m pretty sure theres tons of stuff on how to love ur spouse and neighbor. So you should be wise enough to know not to “beat them”.

      • fl7tacious

        Romans 1:26-27

        English Standard Version (ESV)

        26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

  • Tom::Ford

    There is no “Gay Agenda” there is only a “Sin Agenda.” This agenda has been prevalent since the beginning. When you pick and choose what part of this agenda to attack you will always get opposition from those who don’t rock with the agenda.

    Why zero in on the gays when you have whores and adulterers doing their thing as well… and NOBODY (or NO CHRISTIAN) campaigns, writes a song or rap against them. If there is a gay agenda.. there should also be a “Whore Agenda,” “Filthy Greedy Pastor Agenda,” “Husbands with 12 baby mamas calling themselves deacons in the church Agenda.” I can go on an on about various agendas.

    There was a top christian rapper who was banging out Tye Tribbett’s wife while Tye was bangin someone else’s wife. Both artist were known to bash gays in there shows and on records. Will these guys ever rally and hold brain-storm meeting about ways to stomp out adultery and deceit in young adults between 25-55 who are married? Hell na!!!

    Now here comes this Bizzel dude tryna get some press by calling out those who he feels have a gay agenda. What is he trying to hide- is my question. I bet this guy has some CRAZZZY VICES in his closet, and instead of skeletons, he may have whole people walking around in there. Who knows he may even beat his wife, and backhand his children for control purposes. Can we get a rap about that? First of all .. “christian rap” is no more biblical than “christian porn.” But of course I could be TOTALLY WRONG about this guy. in fact, he maybe be the realest of them all. But I’m only trying to make a point here, and that is: To thrust a so-called, gay agenda in the mix and pull out a movement against entertainers who “wear skirts,”.lol… (by the way, pants where invented for horseback riders) is ridiculous. Sin is Sin and those who are guilty of it the holy spirit will make them aware, not a Bizzle.

    • ItGoesDownINtheDM

      i can agree with that

    • Craig

      I agree, but there is a gay agenda, just like there is a black agenda just like there is a military agenda, ALL of those agendas are about money but for different reasons, the gay agenda is the worse off because it profits from a MENTAL ILLNESS an the stigma associated with mental illness(its ONLY a mental illness when people think they are born that way an or born in the wrong body), the military profits from death an destruction and deciet, the black agenda is in confusion, confusion by religion, confusion by white people, confusion by selfish leaders with personal agendas an ideas, and confusion amongst black people by white supremacy, Black america is on life support with a clear treatment and America is the land of confusion.

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  • So Bizzle’s points are:

    1.Gays are controlling key black entertainers and making them introduce the “gay agenda” to the black community.

    2. He feels as though there is no opposing side to the “gay agenda”.

    3. If gay people can compare the similarities between the Black civil rights movement and the gay rights movement then he can compare the differences.

    4. He believes that homosexuality can be cured.

    5. Both pedophilia and same sex attraction are disgusting desires.

    He is free to have his beliefs and he is free to embrace those beliefs and rock them like a baby. But the problem for me is that he is doing the same thing that those who oppressed black people did. He is using Jesus and scripture or his interpretation of Jesus Christ and scripture to support and even cloak his toxic heterosexism and hyper-masculinity. Hate? Indeed. To disagree is one thing. You say I disagree and move on. But he has done far more than that. What he has done has continued to widen the gap of understanding between the gay community (which includes black gay folks as well, go figure) and the black community (which includes Black LGBT Christians and their straight allies like myself).

    With that being said, his points and beliefs towards the gay community and straight black folks like me who support them, are irrational. Sexual orientation which is our sexual, romantic and emotional attraction to the same, opposite or both genders is neither chosen nor is it changed.

    Bizzle plays into hyper-masculinity and the belief that a man is what a man does with his penis. I know, I know that many heads are blown right off of their necks to see a Black Ordained Minister support and speak on this issue in a manner that is not playing into the stereotypical anti-gay black Christian view. The truth is that not all Black Christians support Bizzle’s message. His message is his and cannot be supported by Science nor can it be supported by scripture—– well, scripture used in its cultural, historical and biblical context.

    Again, those that fought against the rights that people like Bizzle and myself enjoy used/misused the Bible to support their anti-Christ and anti-freedom beliefs and Bizzle is following suit.

    The truth is Bizzle, you don’t have to agree with the gay community but when your words and actions enforce the stereotypes and toxic homophobia that add to the weight that many in the LGBT community are carrying then that goes beyond disagreeing—-that is damaging, that is not love.

    The writer of 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 stated this about love:

    13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.

    4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[a] 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

    8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

    This is love. At least, the love that we who confess Jesus Christ should live by. Love also means that we learn and accept the truth about sexual orientation and along with that, we accept what ever our personal truths are and live them

    The picture below, is that of Christians using/misusing God to oppress others.

    • Jonathan Cayol

      A Christian is going to respond from a Christian point of view our point of views come from Christ since He has indwelled us with His Spirit remember the Bible says that we have the mind of Christ 1st Corinthians 2:16 & the Bible also says trust in the Lord with all your heart lean not on your own understanding acknowledge Him in all your ways & He shall direct your path Proverbs 3:5-6 . Remember what the word says okay Christian ?

      • Jonathan argue my points. If you can do that then we can have a respectful and intellectual conversation.

    • Jonathan Cayol

      & what just because they got a Jesus Saves poster which is true doesn’t mean that they’re not false these people are satanic & if they didn’t repent they are all burning in hell as we speak on this HipHop site bruh , the problem is we mix Jesus up with a lot of foolishness & it brings Jesus no glory man if you really know Jesus you would know He is full of love kindness & gentleness & love & these men my friend who preach him falsely will go to hell side by side burning with homosexuals if they do not turn away from their sinful ways & live for Jesus glory to God ! So case & point this picture is in vain because they will be judged by a righteous God the Bible says make an effort to make peace with all men & holiness without which no man shall see the Lord Hebrews 12:14 KKK still lynching us my mother told me two white women told her in January some black boys got hung by them so are you still blaming God & getting mad at Jesus in 2014 for how Satan tried to put on a sheep’s clothing & say Jesus Jesus ? ! Don’t you know the Bible says they honor me with their mouth & they draw nigh to with their lips but their heart’s are far from me ? Matthew 15:8 ! Jesus said why do you call Me Lord Lord & not do what I tell you to do Luke 6:46. Wake up & repent !

      • ItGoesDownINtheDM

        truuuu and i feel the original guy but hes missing alot of points to make himself sound right …….

      • I am wide awake. So awake that I know that the racist in the picture are no different than people like Bizzle that uses God and Christianity to cloak their isms. You missed the entire point and refused to allow your mind to embrace critical thinking.

      • Surething

        Getting understanding of motive-spirit, first//..And we do “know” 100% full of accuracy that GOD’s soul hates homo-sex acts. Discussion over as far as Subjects..GOD destroyed that city with people and told us> Don’t look back! Simply stated. No flesh and blood human-being selling homo-sex acts on this global planet can ever say GOD loves homo-sex acts and if and when they do, they are liars..This applies to ALL RACES..Today Yesterday and Forever!

      • Hmm, this is your worldview and that is okay.

    • ItGoesDownINtheDM

      truuu but the difference is … he isnt twisting scriptures to push an agenda …. wether the bible is authentic or not he is just going by what he was taught … and not twisting or re-manufacturing it to push an agenda ….. hes not forcing people to not educate themselves … or anything like that … so all that you wrote is pretty much a moot point ……

      • If you are taking scripture to say what is not there then you are twisting it. There was nothing scriptural about Bizzle’s song. Nothing I said was moot, it was on point brother!!

      • Craig

        U are correct, but until u classify people thinking they are born gay an in the wrong body as a mental illness then this fight will never end, until the gay agenda accomplishes its goal, they are profiting from a mental illness which is a much bigger issue, they gather the foot soldiers homosexual and confused and unknowing willing humans who are confused kids and reel them in until they really can put force an unstoppable movement. I got no problem with gay people until they bring it to the kids an trying to make something thats not normal normal.

        There are many things that shouldn’t be normal already that are like calling the people in the military heros when in actuality they are killers and they walk amongst us like they have done no wrong everyday but unlike a mental illness they go through brainwashing in order to come to grips with killing and war(some are already blood thirsty) and most are gulible kids with military people in their family or they need money or they actually think this country does no wrong an is always the good guy; but as we see from these suicides it doesn’t fully work and then the jingoism and military industrial agenda has Trace Atkins on commercials every damn day asking for money for wounded warriors when the very government that sent them should be paying their damn bills since they have a new fighter jet that they said on 60 Mins that was a 100 or so BILLION DOLLARS!!! OVER BUDGE!!, and just like with the gays I have no problem with the soldiers their killing until they try to justify it an push it on citizens an ask for money an suport, or do it for bogus reasons none having to do with protection of this country or world peace which should be the ultimate goal, but we all know peace is not profitable.

    • sophia

      1. No one is born gay.

      Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a “gay gene”:

      “Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don’t think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay.”

      Dr. J. Satinover:

      “Research studies on homosexuality by Dr’s Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic. The media has sensationalized and perpetuated the myth of a homosexual gene.”

      Homosexuality is based on environmental factors and can be changed.

      2. Bizzle plays into hyper-masculinity and the belief that a man is what a man does with his penis.

      You are stating studies from the fraud Alfred Kinsey!!! His work has been debunked as he supported pedophilia.

      For example, Kinsey stated that there were nine men who he had interviewed who had sexual experiences with children who had told him about how the children had responded and reacted. Kinsey produced charts showing the exact time it took for children to orgasm – and he relied on the reports of people raping children and the fanciful musings of adults to produce those charts. THE SHAME!! Yes a man is what he is born biologically. There is no sexual spectrum unless you support a man who tested child orgasms.

      3. The Bible is clear on homosexuality.

      You are deceived. Out of everything that could be in the Bible instructing us what not to do we find specifically homosexuality. I see that God gave you up to dishonorable passions.

      Romans 1:26-27

      English Standard Version (ESV)

      26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

      Sorry we want no part of your perverted agenda to feminize men and confuse children. We did not evolve androgynous.

    • Brindle

      You didn’t listen to the song at all… And you interpret your Bible for your agenda… You make 5 points to blur the main 3 points… 1. that’s that he has love for them and has the right to disagree without being called homophobic or hateful… 2. whether born, chose or made- sin is sin and never OK to go a long with or make acceptable…. 3. regardless of your struggles or urges, continue to fight them rather than make an excuse…

      • I listened to the song more times than my soul could take and I read his words multiple times.

        1. Love is an action. If you love someone then you learn about that person. Loving the LGBT community should mean that I learn the facts about sexual orientation. To disagree is one thing but to build upon stereotypes that weigh on the lives of LGBT people and their loved ones goes beyond disagreeing.

        As far as your points 2 and 3 please learn the truth about sexual orientation.

      • Brindle

        you speak general until you speak on LGBT, then you get specific… you know what you’re doing… and you know its not through righteousness that your doing it… its not about LGBT, if you are a Rev, then you know its about God and everything you said is about you and LGBT… again, you know what your doing. continue your fight to increase church memberships at all cost.

      • What? LOL Seriously. Deal with my points and don’t try to psychoanalyze.

      • fl7tacious

        You are right love is an action. And for him to tell them that their lifestyle is sinful is love. Jesus loved people but he did not sugar coat anything. A parent that loves them child will discipline them if they are not acting right or if they are dappling in drugs they would not just be silent about the whole thing. They will speak up and tell them what path they are headed down. I understand that there are Christians that are gay but there’s a difference between a homosexual Christian that is struggling with that sin and a homosexual Christian that is determined to live that lifestyle when God clearly says in his word that it is an abomination. That’s not my opinion but the word of God. I am not saying that I am better than a homosexual. Their sin is not worse than mine sins, but we both have to fight our sins. If you choose to continuously live in sin, then you are being rebellious. Point blank. Rev. I do not know you at all but it saddens me that you say that being homosexual is uncurable. God can do anything. People are not born gay. People are born with a sinful nature that draws them to certain sins whether its homosexuality, lust, stealing, lying, porn, whatever. I know this customer at my job who was a transgender for several years (he was a man that started dressing and acting like a woman…nails, hair, everything done…looking better than me, a woman) give up that lifestyle. He went on his facebook page and told how God changed his heart. He knew he was living in sin and he wanted to get right with God, so he changed and he is embracing how God created him to be.

      • fl7tacious

        Sorry for my grammar errors.

      • fl7tacious

        I totally agree.

      • Note

        Lol…actually….You blurred his main 5 points with those 3 bs points you brought up…most of which contradict his own words….but you would disagree regardless….

        I did find it funny that you just tried to flip it on him….that was slick…well not really…

  • stanley

    I have lost alll respect for Bizzle. He use to make music that inspires people, and rapped about “Love”. I purchased his album “Tough Love & Parables”, an excellent album. How did he become a homophobic bigot? This is a huge swift in the direction of his career. He no different than Regular Hip hop Artists, now.. Is he still even a christian artist? It’s sadden. I won’t ever watch a Bizzle Video, or Purchase another Bizzle record again. HE lost a fan #RIP

    • ItGoesDownINtheDM

      ????????????? lol

    • sophia

      AHAHHA LOL Bizzle is a Christian. He has always been against the gay agenda. LOL.

    • Brindle

      you are lying… there’s no way you are Christian and a previous Bizzle supporter or you would know his message is 100% correct and that his albums were wack. its his responses that have been dope… dude needs better production… but you’re trying to be sneaky posing as a previous fan…

    • fl7tacious

      How is he an homophobe? If he was a homophobic, he would be scared of them. Obviously, he’s not. And yes he’s a Christian rapper.

    • Godson

      I think this deserves a ARRRRRR??????

  • Ether Man

    there’s people who have sex with same gender – period. rightly or wrongly. it will NEVER STOP. NEXT.

  • Ether Man

    and NO MALICE isn’t working with his brother because why? is Pusha INCAPABLE of writing raps that don’t mention drugs or pushing drugs? I just watched his video with Bizzle……….

  • iamwhoiam

    Live and let live

  • ItGoesDownINtheDM

    ill take it a step further and say if we dont really realize the true BIG PICTURE of the gay agenda then we are truelly in trouble … cause imo theres another step … once the gay agenda is over then you will have Pedos fighting for thier rights … sounds crazy right …???? well Black and white people getting married sounded crazy too @ one point in history … IJS !!!!!!!! open our eyes and see the direction this is going …. and im not against the gay agenda but lets be mindfull of where this could head ……..

    • iamwhoiam

      You can’t compare interracial marriage to a pedophiles rights. A black MAN and white WOMAN are two consenting adults. How does a homosexual directly effect you. There have been gays for centuries. The worlds still turning. What agenda are you speaking of?

      • sophia

        Gays have never been promoted and celebrated. Do you know the stats on HIV/Aids in the gay community. 1 in 7 gay men has aids.

      • Opposite Of Everyone

        source or it is isn’t true.

      • iamwhoiam

        That’s very sad but, how do those stats and a gay pride parade directly effect you? Or any christian for that matter? Sounds like gaysism to me. Let them “promote” and celebrate what they want.

      • Note

        Complete lie…most of your comments are obviously embellished…Just keep it real…you are religious…and you are a bigot based on your religious views….Keep it at that.

      • sophia

        what does religion have to do with this. lets just keep it real you don’t like religion because it holds you accountable for your actions.

      • Note

        …That made zero sense…

        you don’t know anything about me…so hush…

        You made an incorrect statement…and i stated the reason why…which was based on your religious bias towards that particular group of people….

        Own up to your bullshit…the actual numbers indicate that there’s about 500,000 MSM people with HIV…even less with aids…there’s 10 million people at the very least who are MSM in the USA…so at the most…the ratio would be closer to 5 to every 100 people…and thats just for HIV…it would obviously be even less with Aids…so your 1 to 7 stat is nonsense….quit spreading lies based on your own biases towards them…

        And this is just playing off of your system…in reality there is not sensible way to scale that kind of ratio because people are not entitled to list their sexual orientation during HIV screenings…but based on what is given…there you go…

      • sophia

        Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young MSM (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all MSM. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were MSM or MSM-IDU.

        Source: CDC. Estimated HIV incidence among adults and adolescents in the United States, 2007–2010

        Sorry but in the us aids = gay

      • Note

        I just listed the stats…you don’t have to tell me shit i already know….apparently you didn’t….which is why i gave them to you. Not to mention half of what you posted was irrelevant to your original post.

        You also seem to not know the difference between HIV and AIDS…because you keep bunching them together as if they are the same…

        Quit being a bigot….its not a good look….You were wrong…and you have been corrected. Own up to your mistake or bias now…

      • Note

        I posted something…not sure if it was listed…it was a lot and i won’t write it again…but here’s the basics…

        You are telling me stats i already know. It is YOU who was misinformed….You gave me the very stats i gave you just in percentage form…in short…you said absolutely nothing….

        And you still don’t know the difference between AIDS and HIV…the fact that you keep lumping them together in the same category shows that…AIDS is not HIV…

        Also your comment has nothing to do with my post….i corrected your incorrect statement…you said 1 in 7 gay men have aids….thats false…i gave you the more realistic stats already…

        so yeah…stop the bs….

      • sophia

        Source: CDC. Estimated HIV incidence among adults and adolescents in the United States, 2007–2010

        hiv = aids. Until there’s a cure HIV will become aids.

      • Note

        “hiv = aids. Until there’s a cure HIV will become aids.”

        You know…just because you repeat…doesn’t make it correct the second time around…

        You are wrong…i posted facts…you regurgitated them without realizing them….and then incorrectly labeled two diseases as one and ignorantly combined the statistics together. The disease is an adaptation of the other disease…which is why they are grouped…but the diseases are different…one of which would obviously be the stage of the quality of life…but you can ignore this if you want. I’m done.

      • sophia

        Bugchasing is a slang term for the practice of pursuing sexual intercourse with HIV-infected individuals in order to contract HIV. Individuals engaged in this activity are referred to as bugchasers. It is a form of self-harm.
        Bugchasers seek sexual partners who are HIV positive for the purpose of having unprotected sex and becoming HIV positive; giftgivers are HIV positive individuals who comply with the bugchaser’s efforts to become infected with HIV. The SHAME!!

      • Note

        Not a term a real Christian person should know…

        you’re putting yourself out there post by post…lol.

      • Note

        …No shit….i already insinuated that i knew the term….so that Has nothing to do with my comment…

        My question is why does a true Christian happen to be so familiar with such a derogatory term that isn’t even popularized?

        you just keep digging yourself a deeper hole….Just stop it. Bigot….

      • Note

        No sh*t….Thanks for telling me what i already know….

        I also know that a real Christian would never know or use such a derogatory term….especially one not that isn’t popularize.

        you just keep digging yourself deeper…

      • sophia

        Look man your eyes are blinded. Everyone knows this who is educated and done their own unbiased research on homosexuality. I and many other are not sheep. I find it hilarious that you keep throwing religion into the fray when you hold so strong to the gay ideology. Its no different than any other ideology.

        Bottom line is that homosexuality is a DANGEROUS lifestyle.

      • Note

        Bug Chaser is a derogatory term….used commonly by people who generally lack the “education” to diversify their choice of diction…my opinion…but shared by many to claim to be educated…irony….

        You once again ran wild with one term with a completely irrelevant comment…My comment had less to do with religion and more with the temperament and moral that religious people generally try to promote…in short…you’re irrelevance and personal bias continues to hinder your “common” sense…

        “Bottom line is that homosexuality is a DANGEROUS lifestyle.”

        With the amount of death, murder and other uncivil acts causes through various Religious based riffs i think it fair to say that Religion may very well beat that in regards to being a “dangerous lifestyle”…

      • sophia

        Ok gift givers. Is that a better term. Bottom line is that it is a firmly established term in gay circles. I just google bugchaser and I find a community forum and an actual site for those looking for other bugchasers. Where is GLADD and the HRC etc… The SHAME!!!!!!

        “Religion may very well beat that in regards to being a “dangerous lifestyle”…”

        Muslims yes. Islam is a false religion. 1000s die daily to this wretched ideology. Please post up the stats of Christians blowing up buildings, beheading innocent humans, suicide bombings and the subjugation of women in the last 50 years. I will help the christian claimed 5 abortion clinic bombings and 1 death that has happened in the span of 50 years is dwarfed by the death and suffering caused by the ideologies of muhammad and homosexuals.

        Now back on topic it is an inconceivable statement that christianity is a “dangerous lifestyle”. Among all the liberal belief systems, the homosexual ideology is the most self-centered or selfish – unlike the vast charity performed by churches, homosexual charity can be considered an oxymoron.

        Christian charities.

        Catholic Charities USA

        The Salvation Army

        Habitat for Humanity International

        World Vision

        Millions are fed, clothed and assisted by these orgs.

        Wake up sheep.

      • Note

        “Bottom line is that it is a firmly established term in gay circles”

        exactly….not religious circles…so anyone who would consider themselves religious would be strange to know or be so familiar with such a term…point made….

        “Religion may very well beat that in regards to being a “dangerous lifestyle””

        your response?

        “Muslims yes.”

        …way to prove you aren’t a bigot….good job…

        “Please post up the stats of Christians blowing up buildings, beheading innocent humans, suicide bombings and the subjugation of women in the last 50 years”

        lol…yeah..like religion totally started in the 60s…..great point…lol…

        The rest of the shit you said was totally irrelevant….

        i am curious to hear your take on “The homosexual ideology”…that should be worth a couple laughs….

        You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself….

      • sophia

        LOL yeah I’m a christian, but you’re doing a weak job trying to discredit me. So I know about bugchasers. The truth is the truth. We can’t help anyone until we understand the root of an issue. Most gay rights narcissist like yourself don’t really have a concern for the gay individual. You are just using it as a crutch to bash Christianity and be rebellious.

        Yes I said muslims. I’m surprised you are also not on board with there cause since you despise religion.

        Yes you stated Christianity was dangerous. Truth is Christianity has not been dangerous for more then over a century and if ever dangerous. If your going to make a claim then back it up with facts. Thru the ideology of atheism a generation has been killed due to abortion. I can go on and on.

        The homosexual ideology is to elevate their own spiritual and biological counterfeit and establish a sexually androgynous society wherein natural distinctions between male and female are dissolved.

        Wake up sheep

      • Note

        lol you still don’t get it….

        i don’t have to do much to discredit you…you that all that on your own…you are just to into yourself to even contemplate the idea…

        “We can’t help anyone until we understand the root of an issue.”

        You have no intentions on helping anyone but yourself and the people that vouch for you…

        ” I’m surprised you are also not on board with there cause since you despise religion.”

        Nobody said anything about hating religion…see….you generalized me simply because i disagree with YOUR logic…You have no intention on reasoning on anything or with anyone that is outside of your program…so insinuating that you are putting efforts to “help” anyone is ludicrous. The only thing i hate is bigotry…you just don’t see yourself as a bigot…thats the confusion you have at the moment…you honestly think the way you are going about the situation is right…The problem is people like you who use Religion as a method to mask bigotry…Which is cowardly and sheepish…

        “Yes you stated Christianity was dangerous.”

        No…actually i didn’t….i only spoke generally on RELIGION as a whole…the only thing i focused on Christianity was the fact that you were overly familiar and forward with derogatory terms that no real Christian person would generally know…which makes me dubious to your true intentions on the matter…especially since you claim to be such a Christian….In short…you failed to comprehend my statements…another notch added to your confusion belt…

        “The homosexual ideology is to elevate their own spiritual and biological counterfeit and establish a sexually androgynous society wherein natural distinctions between male and female are dissolved.”

        incorrect….and rather self-indulgent…Gay people just want to live life with persecution and oppression from large groups of people…in other words…acceptance in society…nothing more…just the ability to live their lives comfortably…all that other nonsense you spewing is complete bullshit…and part of me feels that you already know that…i don’t totally disagree with the notion that SOME people are trying to declassify male and female labels…and i don’t approve of that…but the GENERAL “ideology” does not follow such suit.

        “Most gay rights narcissist like yourself don’t really have a concern for the gay individual. You are just using it as a crutch to bash Christianity and be rebellious.”

        Not only are you wrong…but you have no kind of foundation to even begin to make such a claim. You don’t know me…nor choose to hear me out to get an idea…so how could you even think to go there? Bash Christianity. Ha!…i just gave Christianity a compliment and you completely missed it because YOU’RE the one thats rotten here…i won’t even repost it…i’ll let you figure out the compliment…if you ever realize it…

        “Truth is Christianity has not been dangerous for more then over a century and if ever dangerous.”

        lol…so you think your brand of Christianity that you just displayed…which is predominately used as oppression and control over a small group of people isn’t dangerous in the slightest? Lol…you can’t serious right now…like i said…i don’t have to discredit you…you keep doing just fine on your own…

        “Wake up Sheep”

        lol…considering that i am able to process more of my own logic than you can i think its pretty clear that you using that term is a strong dose of irony….

      • Note

        lol you still don’t get it….

        i don’t have to do much to discredit you…you that all that on your own…you are just to into yourself to even contemplate the idea…

        “We can’t help anyone until we understand the root of an issue.”

        You have no intentions on helping anyone but yourself and the people that vouch for you…

        ” I’m surprised you are also not on board with there cause since you despise religion.”

        Nobody said anything about hating religion…see….you generalized me simply because i disagree with YOUR logic…You have no intention on reasoning on anything or with anyone that is outside of your program…so insinuating that you are putting efforts to “help” anyone is ludicrous. The only thing i hate is bigotry…you just don’t see yourself as a bigot…thats the confusion you have at the moment…you honestly think the way you are going about the situation is right…The problem is people like you who use Religion as a method to mask bigotry…Which is cowardly and sheepish…

        “Yes you stated Christianity was dangerous.”

        No…actually i didn’t….i only spoke generally on RELIGION as a whole…the only thing i focused on Christianity was the fact that you were overly familiar and forward with derogatory terms that no real Christian person would generally know…which makes me dubious to your true intentions on the matter…especially since you claim to be such a Christian….In short…you failed to comprehend my statements…another notch added to your confusion belt…

        “The homosexual ideology is to elevate their own spiritual and biological counterfeit and establish a sexually androgynous society wherein natural distinctions between male and female are dissolved.”

        incorrect….and rather self-indulgent…Gay people just want to live life with persecution and oppression from large groups of people…in other words…acceptance in society…nothing more…just the ability to live their lives comfortably…all that other nonsense you spewing is complete bullshit…and part of me feels that you already know that…i don’t totally disagree with the notion that SOME people are trying to declassify male and female labels…and i don’t approve of that…but the GENERAL “ideology” does not follow such suit.

        “Most gay rights narcissist like yourself don’t really have a concern for the gay individual. You are just using it as a crutch to bash Christianity and be rebellious.”

        Not only are you wrong…but you have no kind of foundation to even begin to make such a claim. You don’t know me…nor choose to hear me out to get an idea…so how could you even think to go there? Bash Christianity. Ha!…i just gave Christianity a compliment and you completely missed it because YOU’RE the one thats rotten here…i won’t even repost it…i’ll let you figure out the compliment…if you ever realize it…

        “Truth is Christianity has not been dangerous for more then over a century and if ever dangerous.”

        lol…so you think your brand of Christianity that you just displayed…which is predominately used as oppression and control over a small group of people isn’t dangerous in the slightest? Lol…you can’t serious right now…like i said…i don’t have to discredit you…you keep doing just fine on your own…

        “Wake up Sheep”

        lol…considering that i am able to process more of my own logic than you can i think its pretty clear that you using that term is a strong dose of irony….

      • Note

        lol you still don’t get it….

        i don’t have to do much to discredit you…you that all that on your own…you are just to into yourself to even contemplate the idea…

        “We can’t help anyone until we understand the root of an issue.”

        You have no intentions on helping anyone but yourself and the people that vouch for you…

        ” I’m surprised you are also not on board with there cause since you despise religion.”

        Nobody said anything about hating religion…see….you generalized me simply because i disagree with YOUR logic…You have no intention on reasoning on anything or with anyone that is outside of your program…so insinuating that you are putting efforts to “help” anyone is ludicrous. The only thing i hate is bigotry…you just don’t see yourself as a bigot…thats the confusion you have at the moment…you honestly think the way you are going about the situation is right…The problem is people like you who use Religion as a method to mask bigotry…Which is cowardly and sheepish…

        “Yes you stated Christianity was dangerous.”

        No…actually i didn’t….i only spoke generally on RELIGION as a whole…the only thing i focused on Christianity was the fact that you were overly familiar and forward with derogatory terms that no real Christian person would generally know…which makes me dubious to your true intentions on the matter…especially since you claim to be such a Christian….In short…you failed to comprehend my statements…another notch added to your confusion belt…

        “The homosexual ideology is to elevate their own spiritual and biological counterfeit and establish a sexually androgynous society wherein natural distinctions between male and female are dissolved.”

        incorrect….and rather self-indulgent…Gay people just want to live life with persecution and oppression from large groups of people…in other words…acceptance in society…nothing more…just the ability to live their lives comfortably…all that other nonsense you spewing is complete bullshit…and part of me feels that you already know that…i don’t totally disagree with the notion that SOME people are trying to declassify male and female labels…and i don’t approve of that…but the GENERAL “ideology” does not follow such suit.

        “Most gay rights narcissist like yourself don’t really have a concern for the gay individual. You are just using it as a crutch to bash Christianity and be rebellious.”

        Not only are you wrong…but you have no kind of foundation to even begin to make such a claim. You don’t know me…nor choose to hear me out to get an idea…so how could you even think to go there? Bash Christianity. Ha!…i just gave Christianity a compliment and you completely missed it because YOU’RE the one thats rotten here…i won’t even repost it…i’ll let you figure out the compliment…if you ever realize it…

        “Truth is Christianity has not been dangerous for more then over a century and if ever dangerous.”

        …so you think your brand of Christianity that you just displayed…which is predominately used as oppression and control over a small group of people isn’t dangerous in the slightest? Lol…you can’t serious right now…like i said…i don’t have to discredit you…you keep doing just fine on your own…

        “Wake up Sheep”

        lol…considering that i am able to process more of my own logic than you can i think its pretty clear that you using that term is a strong dose of irony….

      • Howaboutno

        Sophia, there are around 33 million people in the world with aids or HIV. The percentage of adults who have consensual relations with other adults of the same gender numbers is around 1/10. This statistic is taking into account the Kinsey scale, the people who identify as openly gay/bisexual, and the estimated percentage of closet cases based on internet surveys.

        Also takes into consideration the amount of different-from-straight orientations there are.

        So a better description would be 1/10 are NOT heterosexual, with small percentages within that being gay, Bisexual, transgender, etc.

        Taking this into account, that would make about 700,000,000 people, and 100,000,000 having contracted the AIDS virus.

        First off, AIDS most commonly effects straight men and women in Africa. Second to that would be gay men in the modern world, ONLY because the population of gay men were not aware of the AIDS virus in the 80s. That is literally the only reason so many gay men have AIDS.

        There has never been a report of a lesbian contracting aids from consensual sex with another female.

        So staggeringly, not only is your “statistic” off by some 77 million, but it also doesn’t take into account anybody who contracts AIDS through heroin needle abuse, rape, parentage (females can pass the virus onto children), ad heterosexual individuals (there are more heterosexuals with AIDS than any other demographic).

        It also disregards the statistics of lesbians contracting aids from lesbian sex (zero) and does not take into account the other sexualities and genders.

        Sophia, buck up your game.

      • sophia

        Look up the CDC stats.

      • Howaboutno

        Read my message properly, please.

      • Craig

        it wasnt a comparison, it was just an description an history lesson, and I agree theres no comparison other than the effects and how people thought of it, relationships with a man an woman is natural unless they do some crazy stuff.

    • You shouldn’t really take a step further. I have never heard anyone take interracial marriage point to marriage equality for gay folk and then sprinkle pedophilia on top. Irrational views. We are talking about marriage between unrelated consenting adults that love each other and not an adult and a child.

      • sophia

        Consenting adults by US standards. Other countries and cultures people marry at 14 etc…

      • Howaboutno

        Funny, the cultures that marry young girls to men are the same cultures that publicly execute gay people.

      • sophia

        Yep and it is their right to do so. Don’t like it tough. You are not a god and everyone’s morals are relative.

      • Howaboutno

        And it is NOT their right to do so, it goes against the universal human rights bill that the UN upholds. Furthermore, executing innocent people for things they have absolutely no control over (homosexuality I should add DOESN’T HARM ANYONE) is a sick and vile thing to do regardless of your “morals”.

        I find it hard to believe you even have morals.

    • Opposite Of Everyone

      ^ learning difficulties

  • acasinofriend

    When can I Marry My Gay Dog???

    • GrizzledPete

      When you get permission from your mom, but she is unavailable since she is on her honeymoon with her horse.

    • Brindle

      they’re working on the laws now… all the unions (teachers, police, fire department) are in support of it. They’re waiting on Michael Vick to sign off on it and it looks like PETA will use a blind eye when it gets to the veto stage.

  • filsdepatrick

    One more in the long tradition of religious charlatans. Making money off of the foolish, credulous and fearful

  • sophia

    Americans who self-identify as “gay” or lesbian comprise roughly one to three percent of the population. Yet the homosexual movement — led by extremist homosexual pressure groups like the so-called Human Rights Campaign (HRC) — represent, per capita, one of America’s most powerful and well-funded political lobbies. Consider that HRC and the HRC foundation alone have an annual budget in excess of 50 million.

    Through a carefully crafted, decades-old propaganda campaign, homosexual activists have successfully cast homosexuals — many of whom enjoy positions of influence and affluence — as a disadvantaged minority. They have repackaged and sold to the public behaviors which thousands of years of history, every major world religion and uncompromising human biology have long identified as immoral and sexually deviant.

    The Goal

    As with every major political movement, the homosexual lobby is pushing a specific agenda. It is often called the “gay agenda.” At its core is a concerted effort to remove from society all traditional notions of sexual morality and replace them with the post-modern concept of sexual relativism. That is to say, when it comes to sex, there is never right or wrong. All sexual appetites are “equal.” If it feels good, do it.

    Ultimately, the homosexual lobby’s primary objective is to radically redefine our foundational institutions of legitimate marriage and the nuclear family by unraveling God’s natural design for human sexuality. In so doing, they hope to elevate their own spiritual and biological counterfeit and establish a sexually androgynous society wherein natural distinctions between male and female are dissolved.

    This creates cultural and moral anarchy.

    • Opposite Of Everyone

      and you believe this because….?

    • Me

      So you’ve counted EVERY gay person in the world to come up with your “1-3%”? That’s quite a feat you’ve achieved, which you MUST have since you state it as fact and with such conviction. Being gay, the only agenda I have ever witnessed from other gays is to live freely and openly like our heterosexual counterparts. Your imaginary gay agenda is an outdated scare tactic that is no longer working.

      • iamwhoiam

        Yup, that’s what people don’t get. Maybe the agenda lies on the other side. Living freely and openly surprisingly, some people don’t like to see, so they come up with these stats and use the bible to express how “wrong” and how “bad” being gay is. I don’t see anything wrong with gay people but that means I get to “burn in hell” next to all the gays???? But if I disagree with the lifestyle I get to go to heaven? ??? What all these god fearing christian people need to worry bout is their preacher messing with these kids. Look at those stats!

      • Brindle

        that’s not at all what any Religious person has ever told you… you said the BS to prove a point that no ones talking about… the lies, the lies the lies…

      • iamwhoiam

        It’s my opinion and it’s relevant to the subject. What lies???
        At least I proved my point. Like I asked everybody else, how do gays directly effect you? Why should they bother you?

      • Brindle

        its not your opinion, its a lie… no one said you’d “burn in hell” or that gays would burn in hell… no one said if you disagree with gays, you’d go to heaven… then you say “god fearing people need to worry bout their preacher messing with children”… its priest not preachers-1… and 2, there’s guaranteed more non “god fearing christians” messing with kids than “god fearing”… you’re lieing and cool with it, just to make a point not worth making, you prove him right as you make your arguments…

      • iamwhoiam

        I’ve been told I’d burn in hell for more than that one reason the way I see it the bible is full of contradiction. I think people manipulate religions especially christian. Ask a true christian what happens if a man sleeps with a man, he’ll tell you god don’t like that and your going to hell. Along with a long list of other sins.
        As far as the preacher (that’s what priests do) comment, all I’m saying is that there are bigger topics in the Christian and Catholic church’s that should be addressed other than a “gay agenda” being forced on society.
        So again, I’m not lying. Just speaking on how I see it and for whatever reason it seems to bother you.

      • Brindle

        Ima go through this line by line so you get the point, which is simple. 1. whoever told you that you’d burn in hell is wrong, the Bible says not to judge, it doesn’t mean don’t form an opinion, it doesn’t mean don’t avoid certain people, it means no one can say someone is going to hell. 2. The Bible does have some contradictions due to changes in translation but the message is unchanged. 3. a “true Christian” should say God don’t like that or any other sin and again has no idea who is or isn’t going to hell. if i stole a pack of gum, i’m just as wrong as the act of being gay. if i turn stilling gum into a life style, I’m worse. 4. The problem with man (religious and non-religious) is we’re forgotten that we can “do everything at once”… there are no bigger topics, just topics, they should all be addressed. it doesn’t bother me, i’ve just got the energy to respond. I’m Christian, but if I wasn’t, the best way to judge us is by our rules. If a Christian tells you that your going to hell, make him think about his words, his bible tells him he’s wrong…

      • iamwhoiam

        Ok.

      • Brindle

        don’t be so submissive

      • iamwhoiam

        Submissive? Na, we just goin in circles now. I totally get what your saying, the overall topic. My comments were initially to the people on here quoting the bible and saying there is a gay agenda and you’ll burn in hell.
        Scroll through all these comments and you’ll see the borderline hate. My very first comment was simply, live and let live. A gay man or woman just doesn’t bother me personally. I agree it should just be “topics” but most of the people on here don’t make it that way. So that’s the way it is. I mean you got people on here using civil rights and pedophiles in comparison to why it’s bad to be gay. That’s crazy.
        I believe what I believe and everybody has an opinion, I can respect that. It’s just some of these “Christians” don’t.

      • Brindle

        pedophiles is extreme which is why its a great way to make the point, some times looking in the mirror is painful, not that gays are pedophiles but that their actions are wrong (sin) and/or gross and being born a certain way is not an excuse… but yeah, i’ve noticed a few fellow Christians getting crazy, but if they read their Bible instead of waiting for someone to read it to them, they could express it better

      • iamwhoiam

        See now, I thought I was done… Explain to me how you know for a fact, a FACT that someone is not born that way. And please don’t quote any bible verses.
        How is it that a human being can be born with both male and female genitalia? What should they do? Are they natural born sinners? Are they allowed to like both sexes?
        My point is christian or not, you don’t know a persons feelings, what they’ve been through or how they will grow up to live after birth. I have one gay cousin and I come from a huge family. Nobody else is gay in my family (that I’m aware of) and nobody taught him to be gay. He was never molested or anything tragic like that. He grew up with straight friends and all. Now he has gay friends but not growing up.
        I myself do believe a person can be born gay, it’s in their dna to be attracted to the same sex. Just like the person born with both male and female genitalia, they did not choose both they were born that way. A gay person doesn’t choose it, I believe they except it. It’s how they feel and who they are. My cuz never had so much as a crush on a girl. He told me he always liked guys, I don’t get it but it’s who he is. I believe he was born that way.

      • sophia

        First and foremost you must understand that NO ONE HAS DISCOVERED A GAY GENE, OR GAY DNA ETC…

        Research studies on homosexuality by Dr’s Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic. The media has sensationalized and perpetuated the myth of a homosexual gene.

        Why is a person born blind, deaf, or mute? A human born with both genitalia is a person with a birth defect. IT IS NOT NORMAL. Since a hermaphrodite is a birth defect the Dr’s, parents and child when of age decide what gender is best. If one is born healthy and normal why mutilate a perfect body to be another gender. Look up BID disorder.

        Its clear that your gay cousin is gay due to his environment. He may of not of been molested but there are many other environmental factors. Some environmental and psychological factors that may play a causal role in the development of homosexuality include: (1) cross-gender effeminate behavior in childhood. (2) gender-identity deficits (3) hostile, detached or absent fathers (which leads to “defensive detachment” from the father and other males) and (4) overly close, controlling or dominating mothers.

      • Craig

        overly close, controlling or dominating mothers.<< I'm actually seeing this happen with my cousin, he aint gay, but he has a sister an ingrate who is disrespectful older than him who be talking about gay stuf telling about people she know who gay, laughing at gay people, talking about she kissed a girl but wasnt gay(in actuality she did much more) I say all that to say I really am seeing that in motion, I could change it by stepping up but hes in 7th grade an he has an issue of talking back to grown ups, hes a good kid, but his talking back they kinda brush off an dont get mad, see I have the aunt who takes care of him the overly close basically his momma, and then theres another aunt that lets him talk to her all kinds of ways an just laughs it off(he dont curse) and then theres his 18 year old sister who basically teaches him everything bad, and then theres me so much knowledge but stubborn and refuse to waste my time and energy when 3 people are in the kitchen sending mixed messages I mean I drop jewels from time to time but I'm not going out of my way until my aunt steps up an start teaching him more respect an stop babying him up, then he can earn my advice an things cause if he turns out like his sister he is an enemy, cause my aunt my favorite aunt gets more mad at him for not doing homework before it gets dark than she does when he talks back to her sister an every other grown person other than his grandmas and me.

        I just wanted to share that, but as for the gay issue stuff I already posted on here multiple times on my conclusions so far. I agree with yor assesment though, its a shame that the mental illness stigma even reaches to gay people being unwilling to call it what it is, problems on top of problems. But as for it being a choice, people can do it if they please just dont be pushing it onto kids an trying to monetize a real mental illness THATS A BIGGER ISSUE that no one has ever mention "MONETIZING A MENTAL ILLNESS".(its ONLY a mental illness when people think they are born that way an or born in the wrong body), other than that its urges an stimuli.

      • sophia

        agreed

      • Brindle

        my point is they may be born that way… we are all born with sin, defects, etc… If you’re born with male and female genitalia you probabley should run with your 1st urge, i guess, lol… but yes they are born sinners as we all are and no they aren’t allowed to like both sexes and most likely wont truely be attracked to both. Life is not about feelings, just like the world is not about a pathway, its just there to help you get through. Our feeling and desires should not be considered as important as we have brain washed ourselves into believing they are. Your thoughts and morals are much more important. Again, you as a human are born, chose or made… Your cousin may be born gay, you may be born a nympho… doesn’t mean you go having having sex with anyone or everything.

      • Craig

        mental illness(especially with kids) as for grown ups I believe u can have sex with the same gender and still not be gay, but u see kids are pushed one way or the other by outside forces, that what makes me mad more times than not they get pushed to the unnatural side, and I say unnatural because until the same sex make a baby I have no choice to call it unnatural, and I’m saying that nicely.

        And as for the ones born with 2 parts its a genetic mutation and its up for the parents to ask the doctors questions an choose the path that they wish to take with the doctors advice, and I’m not even gonna indulge in the bible talk, the bible is irrelevant in the discussion, but it seems to me that a big part of the hang up with gay people, it makes them fight harder an push the gay agenda harder, they need foot soldiers, once they get enough they can do what they want, an I wont be able to do nothing but respect it, if black people came together an supported each other they would transform this whole country quicker than gay people, but black struggler has left a deadly gash in the souls over centuries and it wont be corrected in even a 100 years unless something drastic and surprising happens.

      • sophia

        you are not helping our cause. the Bible has no contradictions and we must tell people about hell. If they don’t believe in Jesus they are hell bound.

      • Brindle

        You Sophia are the problem… The Bible has many contradictions due to translation from Hebrew to English (King James version) also at the Nicene council many things were changed but the message of Salvation remains… with that being said, you have not been given the responsibility to judge or condemn anyone to hell… Read your Bible and quit regurgitating what you are told.

      • sophia

        There are no contradictions in the Bible.

        The quantity of New Testament manuscripts is unparalleled in ancient literature. There are over 5,000 Greek manuscripts, about 8,000 Latin manuscripts, and another 1,000 manuscripts in other languages (Syriac, Coptic, etc.). In addition to this extraordinary number, there are tens of thousands of citations of New Testament passages by the early church fathers. In contrast, the typical number of existing manuscript copies for any of the works of the Greek and Latin authors, such as Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, or Tacitus, ranges from one to 20.

      • Brindle

        girl, how you type all that and didn’t make a point.

      • sophia

        Many people are of the opinion that the teachings of the Bible are outdated, contradictory, and full of scientific and historical errors. With few exceptions, they have reached these conclusions through second- and third-hand sources rather than their own study of the Bible.

        Consider the following statements:

        The Bible says that God helps those who help themselves.

        The books of the New Testament were written centuries after the events they describe.

        Cleanliness is next to godliness is in the Bible.

        According to the Bible, the earth is flat.

        The earliest New Testament manuscripts go back only to the fourth or fifth centuries A.D.

        The Bible teaches that the earth is the center of the universe.

        The English Bible is a translation of a translation of a translation (etc.) of the original, and fresh errors were introduced in each stage of the process.

        How many of these statements do you think are true? The answer is that all of them are false. Yet these false impressions persist in the minds of many, and misinformation like this produces a skeptical attitude toward the Bible.

      • Brindle

        So your saying pretend that there are no contradictions in order to prove a point?

      • sophia

        give me a contradiction so I can prove you wrong.

      • Brindle

        I gave you one, you’re not keeping up, here it is again…

        1KIng 4:26 And Solomon had FORTY thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

        2CH 9:25 And Solomon had FOUR thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem…. My point is, who cares… The message is the same, Solomon was rich… Don’t be so fearful, understand your Bible which is just a book, its the message that counts.

      • sophia

        Once again, careful reading is the death of sceptical criticism. Let’s take a closer look at these two verses. I Kings 4:26 says,

        “And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.”

        While II Chronicles 9:25 says,

        “And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.”

        Note that in the account given in II Chronicles, the horses and chariots spoken of are specifically mentioned as having been “bestowed in the chariot cities” and “with the king at Jerusalem”. Thus, this passage is specifically speaking of the horses which were held in readiness for military action. These “chariot cities” spoken of were strategically placed throughout Israel as bases where the chariots and horsemen in Solomon’s army could be quickly called forth to battle. II Chronicles 8:6 describes the building of several of these cities by Solomon. Further, in II Chronicles 1:14, we see that Solomon is said to have 12,000 horsemen, and 1,400 chariots, which were placed in the chariot cities. This correlates quite well with the figures given as bestowed in the chariot cities in verse 9:25 — same number of horsemen, and a completely logical number of horses which would be needed to both pull this number of chariots, and provide an extra horse for a replacement should a horse be lost in battle or be made unable to pull a chariot for some other reason.

        In I Kings 4:26, the caveat that these horses were bestowed in the chariot cities is not made. Thus, this passage is simply a more general statement concerning the TOTAL number of horses which Solomon had in his possession in the state army. This number includes both the number on “active duty” in the chariot cities, and also the “reserves” which were kept elsewhere and which were not made available for immediate military use (this could include foals, breeder mares, studs, those doubly used for non-military state use, etc.) Thus, while 4,000 horses were kept in the chariot cities, another 36,000 were kept elsewhere, not for instant military use, but many of which could (and eventually would) be called up for use with the chariots in Solomon’s army.

      • Brindle

        1KIng 4:26 And Solomon had FORTY thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

        2CH 9:25 And Solomon had FOUR thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem…. My point is, who cares… The message is the same, Solomon was rich… Don’t be so fearful, understand your Bible which is just a book, its the message that counts.

      • Brindle

        also, this isn’t about our cause, its not about gay or straight… If you are Chirstian, then you know this is about God and his laws not your pride (“our cause”)… I’m talking about Gods cause. Your lack of focus causes your sin of distraction to be just as wrong as their sin of being homosexual..

      • sophia

        Our cause meaning Christianity and salvation for the lost. Oh and wait a sec you just judged me lol.

        In all seriousness bottom line is you don’t even believe the Bible is accurate. Please get in the word and find a personal relationship with Christ. Let Him reveal the word to you.

      • Craig

        Jesus was black, but white Jesus is basically the devil and the face of white supremecy, the white Jesus u see is actually Cesare Borgia. So u cant tell me the bible doesnt have contradictions. I could point out others, but when I speak agains the gay agenda I dont even need the bible or to mention God to do it. I dont hate gay people UNTIL they start pushing stuff to kids and black people, its no different than drug dealers but the fact that its a mental ilness when kids are thinking they are gay, but grownups can do what they like and I have no problem with it as long as u dont try to impose your life style on me. The next thing up is the vampire lifestyle, lots of similarities except one has billions of dollars behind it and lots of income coming in. Theres no such thing as hell. I was raised a Jehovahs witness which are great people who are completely removed from the worldly things,but after studying my black history, I’ve come to odds with how the bible is used and its past history, everybody listens to the bible but not many read it for themselves which is dangerous, thats called SUPER power, the unaccounted for past evils of white people that still have after affects till this very day. So u can kill that bible talk, I believe in God but I dont need to use the bible to speak against the gay agenda like some people rely on.

      • golder1

        His opinion cant be a lie. But what he says is somewhat true. Any christian will tell you that homosexuals are going to hell because they are committing a sin. I would not speculate that more non god fearing people are committing this crime than not. And a priest is a preacher.

      • Brindle

        I’m Christian, I’m telling you that no Christian knows who or whats going to hell and is wrong for telling you that. a priest can preach but is not a preacher.. and a preacher is also not a priest (a priest is Catholic) all Christians aren’t Catholic but all Catholics are Christian… YOU JUST ALL WRONG

      • sophia

        Gays affect the lives of normal people DAILY. For example: Gay DAYS AT DISNEY!!!

        Homosexual blogger admits ‘Gay Day’ at Disney World is disgraceful. Pete Werner, founder of DIS Unplugged, is a self-professed “42-year-old gay man living in Orlando,” who says in his blog that during the first week of June, the place looks a lot more like South Beach than Disney World and writes:

        “Over the years I have heard about, and have witnessed, what is commonly referred to as PDA (public displays of affection) during gay days, and almost always it’s done in full view of a family, or at least children. I don’t care if you’re straight or gay, there are some things kids don’t need to see – and trust me, two queens frenching outside Cinderella castle is really high on that list.

        I can’t help but think of, and feel sorry for – the unsuspecting family who saved for years for a once in a lifetime trip – only to arrive and find that Disney had in fact, been invaded by he-women and shaved down muscle boys. By itself that would not be a problem, but the sheer number of people who seem to go out of their way to rub their sexuality in everyones face during this ‘event’ is nothing short of disgraceful.”

        This is a quote from a gay man in your own community. I have provided a CLEAR example of how gays and its agenda affects the lives of normal people.

      • iamwhoiam

        One day at Disney? I see straight couples showing pda, what do we do about them? NOTHING! Because they aren’t gay. Also, I believe I asked how do gays effect YOU directly. One day at disney ain’t gonna cut it. I don’t think those gay folks were out there having sex in front of little kids. If I wanna kiss my girl in public I do. Knowing I’m in public it’s a simple kiss or holding her hand or just putting my arms around her while standing in a line. Innocent affection in public. I’ve never been told by a family “hey do you mind, there’s kids around”
        But 2 men or 2 women showing the same innocent affection, now it’s a problem. And it doesn’t matter the blogger was gay himself. You’d be surprised at how many gays don’t like the more flamboyant gays. They see them as a disgrace to the gay community.

      • golder1

        Your reaching with that one right there

      • sophia

        Typical response full of stereotypes. I can quote plenty of stories of gay men molesting children. For example, George Harasz and Douglas Wirth, two disgusting gays raped 9 boys they adopted.

        The Archives of Sexual Behavior:

        “One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender.”

        (Marie, E. Tomeo “Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescent Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons.” Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)

      • iamwhoiam

        Just cut to the chase…you don’t like gay people.
        Say it and say it out loud. Not all gays molest kids. You can’t use molestation for a reason . There are just as many heterosexual people molesting children. Wrong is wrong.

      • sophia

        Just cut to the chase…you don’t like Christians.
        Say it and say it out loud. Not all preachers molest kids. You can’t use molestation for a reason . There are just as many gay people molesting children. Wrong is wrong.

        …..see how that works.

      • golder1

        Noone knows if people are born gay or not but what we do know is that comparing being gay to being a pedophile is wrong. Especially when most pedophiles are white men in their 30’s. As a christian man I dont agree with homosexuality but at the same time its none of my business what 2 grown people do. A problem most christians have is they want to act like the moral police and tell other what they should or shouldnt do based off their own beliefs.

      • sophia

        No one is born gay. The science is clear that there is not a gay gene.

        Private behavior often has very public consequences. Statistics clearly show that homosexual behavior is destructive and bears high costs, not only to the individual, but to society. Homosexual behavior has implications far beyond the bedroom. Last year the U.S. government spent billions of dollars on AIDS treatment, research and programs. AIDS in the U.S. is largely a homosexual disease stemming from unhealthy sexual practices.

        There are many consensual behaviors that current laws and customs have deemed harmful because of their negative effect on society. Drug use, prostitution, rape and incest are examples of activities that happen in the “privacy of bedrooms.”

      • golder1

        Thats far from the truth. Aids is not a homosexual disease. Plenty of examples all over the world. I dont know if people are born gay or not but science has not said its true. I have cousins who were young and could see they were different and as adult were what we thought. And i dont think rape is a consensual act and to included that along with incest and drug use and lump that in with this issue because and outdated Bible tells you so is wrong.

      • Craig

        aids is a man made disease from monkeys, look up the history of aids

      • sophia

        Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM))a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young MSM (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all MSM. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were MSM or MSM-IDU.

        Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 9/2013

    • iamwhoiam

      Homosexual extremists? Lol what next, homosexual terrorists?

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  • ursocalledgod

    christian rapper LMAO smh i have no problem with gay people i dont believe any of that fairy tale religion bullshit either. i do agree on one point tho. in NO WAY should this ” gay struggle” be compared to what my people went through to get where we are. just like my people should never compare what we went through with what the jewish people went through. i agree 100 on that point he made. real spill.

    • sophia

      Remember X and MLK also believed in this so called fairy tale.

      • ursocalledgod

        Which is very sad

  • Craig

    How can he say they deserve tax breaks, since he says that he actually supports gay marraige, I believe they should be in civil unions if they so want to and I believe they should be ablr to see each other at the hospital, But the whole gay agenda is basically about money an pushing it onto black kids. My main problem is the constant advertising of that life style an the pushing of it onto black people an them trying to normalize a mental disorder, just because u want to suck dick dont mean u are mental or gay in my opinion cause gay didn’t even mean anything sexual in the beginning; the right term is homosexual lifestyle which is a choice one makes, but when u think u are born like that or if u think u should be a woman or man u have mental ISSUES, and its sad that they push kids with that mental issue into the gay box when they should be trying to help the the kids, now as for grownups I really dont care if they live the lifestyle I have no problem with it, the problem come in when they try to push it to the youth an monetize it, they’ll march for gay rights but they wont march against racism and white supremacy u black dummies fall for the white peoples tricks over an over. USA is the land of confusion, but white people will pay for their unaccounted for evils one day they can run an deny the past only for so long.

    And regarding Gay, I actually don’t believe in a thing called gay, I believe u can live that homosexual lifestyle if u want, I believe u can bang another dude an sill not be gay, and I also believe that u can choose to be gay an kids can be groomed to be gay cause we all know kids can be groomed to be anything, and I KNOW that 2 gay people cant procreate a human being. Therefore people who claim they are born gay have a mental illness(certain behaviors stick an after an amount of time and never go back right concerning mental illness FACTS), an I believe its one that doesn’t necessarily need to be fixed unless its concerning small children being exposed to things they shouldn’t have, cause grownfolk have a right to do what they want and if your teen goes that way its on the parent either u snooze u lose or u encourage that behavior. The word gay meant one thing then someone saw an opportunity.

    And as fars as homosexuality being natural, might as well say it is cause their aint no turning back, because in some countries its a rite of passage for boys to lose their virginity to donkeys(as I saw in a Vice Documentary) and they laugh about it and talk about it with no worry. But what natural to some aint natural to all, an no its not natural to me but its a choice. An when guys and girls get caught doing gay stuff people need to stop trying to force them into a gay box when in fact they aren’t gay they just wanted to bang a dude or gal. I could go kill somebody tomorrow but that doesn’t make me a murderer to everyone, the box that is prison would be waiting though, do u turn yourself in or do u just do what u want? Most cave to pressure of the gay agenda. He could have kept the bible out of it though. But that pedophile comparison an explanation was exceptional. (Those are unfinished thoughts until I do further research on this gay boom)

  • Guest

    CHRISTIAN rap. why isnt his rap name Lil Job? Young Emmanuel? Sister Mary Bizzle?

    anything hes got to say about the lgbtq community doesn’t even matter because he isnt gay. if you aint gay, i dont want to hear you talking about gay people or how you think gay people should live their lives. i’m pretty sick of people taking up issues that don’t belong to them. some things aren’t your struggle. ex: macklemore. shut that clown up. he isnt gay, so why is speaking for gays? every time a majority speaks for a minority, the minority is kept quiet, even if the majority is speaking out to support the minority (BWAHAHAHA). whatever a majority accomplishes in speaking in support of a minority forces the minority to remain a rung below the rest, not bettering themselves and their community, but waiting for the oppressor to better them, let them in. there are just certain experiences you have to have in order to make just statements about a people, and more often than not, it’s the experience of being part of that people.

    any form of marriage is an abomination.

  • CousinVinny75

    “I feel the same when the media pushes: if you don’t agree with me then you hate me, but if you love me then you have to agree with what I do. That’s manipulation as well, and I’m not with the manipulation.”
    That’s the bottom line. Most people because they are never taught critical thinking completely miss this entire point about their propaganda.
    They say tolerance means you have to agree with them. But it’s funny because if they disagree with you they can call you vile names, but somehow they still are considered tolerant if they not only disagree with you but mock your beliefs and even use blasphemous imagery.
    They say it’s just “freedom of expression” when they disagree, but it’s hate when you disagree.
    But of course humans will always be hypocrites

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  • free2speak

    I really think this whole gay thing is blown way too out of proportion. Everyone has their opinions and if you are not in the majority opinion you are a bigot, homophobic, etc. SO… Who cares what you call us. Who cares if u don’t like me. Who cares if you don’t like my opinion. What are you going to do about it. NOTHING. Nothing but run to someone else and gripe. What if it was common in the dissenting view to call the majority homo lovers, rainbow sliders, etc. You would like it too much, would you? I stand for my belief that marriage originated from the bible and it was intended for a man and woman. There is no changing the bible for your cause so two men and two women can’t enjoy that union. If you don’t believe in the bible, then you shouldn’t believe in marriage either, since thats where it comes from. Now if they want society recognition, then thats another thing and I have no problem with that, as we all have a right to freedom of expression. Just don’t compare their union with a godly union. Its a direct contradiction. I don’t care what you write about my post. This is my opinion. DEAL WITH IT.